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The Guardian UFO Case · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yo, yeah, today, today,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming in, coming in hot with another UFO case.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I know we're coming right up for Roswell, but I'm coming in with a Canadian case, which is, is right up Kyle Valley.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw this, I said this is Kyle, this is Kyle shit right here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's known as the Guardian UFO case, and we'll get into it in a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to dive into the Guardian UFO case, which I'm excited is awesome Steve subtly sold it to me prior to the show and now I'm excited it is it is a Kyle UFO case.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Part of me almost wishes he would have found it because I didn't think I could have been flying on the wall watching him research it because it goes off the rail anyway.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: To get there we got to start at a small community west of Ottawa, Canada by the name of Carp.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which guy likes fishing?
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do like fishing so we're on the right for on the right foot Because I haven't caught a carp yet, though Carp did catch my first catfish today.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I saw it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like two weeks ago for this show.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but regardless Still counts caught my first catfish today to play.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's on the board.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I am on the board So the town of Carp is a small rule village in the northwest part of the city of audio Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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  [SPEAKER_01]: situated along the Carp River, which is where it got its name.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's about 20 miles from downtown Ottawa.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the population is small to the 2011 census.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was about 2,000 people, so not a big place.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So okay spot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very unassuming kind of like little village has got stores, workshops, hotels, town hall posts office, kind of everything you could think of tiny Canadian village would have.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of sounds like it'd be my ideal place to live.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, pretty unassuming,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: the Diffin bunker, which the Diffin bunker is formally known by its military designation, the Canadian Forces Station Carp CFS Carp.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a large underground four-story reinforced concrete bunker and nuclear fallout shelter located in Carp Ontario.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a worst names.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was
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  [SPEAKER_01]: led by prime minister john diphon bunker who was named after all right look at me now really really i thought you we're gonna get it just in case they didn't they were going to put the entire Canadian government central emergency government headquarters in carp i thought this bunker is really small
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  [SPEAKER_01]: in 1994 it was closed actually.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They said, wait, we're good.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're good now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The Cold War's over.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We think that we're not going to be nouged.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No threats.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're not that important.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I did think it was weird though that I got a UFO case and it's tied to some nuclear stuff.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, I'm not saying that as like a defamatory statement.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would much rather be on the no-new-clist than beyond the new-clist.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd much rather be in a town of 2,000 people that by all accounts doesn't exist across the entirety of the planet than to be in the city that is recognized.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: To be worried about being new.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 10:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd much rather be in your shoes so that was not, I wasn't trying to talk shit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Even though it sounded like you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting though, in the research that I did,
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: The UFO, what's the word I'm looking for here?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The UFO sightings and stuff did die down post 1994 after the bunker was decommissioned.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, right?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely strange.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So to start this off there,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The timeline is gonna kind of jump around a little bit because different entities enter the chat and it changes things a little bit, but we're gonna start out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: August 18 1991, around 10 PM, a woman by the name of Diane Lebnik of West Carlton anterior, which is not too far from Carlp.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You can see Carlp from West Carlton.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I just put her children to bed when her dogs began to
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  [SPEAKER_01]: makes some noise in the backyard.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Her husband had stepped out to run some errands, so she's like, all right, I'm going to go check out what my dogs are doing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She goes to her back window to look and that's when she sees what looks like.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, she said it almost looked like a military flare.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Some sort of fire in the back field.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: She says, and I quote, I looked at the window and I saw flames out on the field, extremely red flames and lots of smoke.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It didn't look like fire.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I know what a fire looks like when you start a fire out there when the grass is very dry.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: If you start a fire, you'll see it moving either way, closer to the woods, and the fire was only in one spot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: After that, I saw a ship coming down close to the flames.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right on top of the ship, I saw a blue flashing light, and another light was on the bottom.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Very bright.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know what to do.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was looking at it for about 10 minutes or so.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The ship went a little bit back over the trees and it disappeared.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw all the flames turn out at the same time.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'd like to see it again.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It was very scary.
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've lived here for many, many years and I've never been so scared in my life.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Diane didn't call the police.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because she, in her brain thought, man, they were gonna think I'm crazy.
• 13:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I call them, and tell them that I saw a UFO, and now there's no trace of the UFO.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you just say you saw a giant fuck of fireball.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the fireball, reminded me of your giant orange UFOs.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and counter it.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if you were concerned, I would just say, hey, there's a strange fire outside my house.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should probably come.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the Canadian police.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna do right there, horses over there, and we're gonna probably put the bucket of water.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's quoted and say, and what am I going to tell them?
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell them I saw flares out there past 10 o'clock at night and there was a ship up there and they're going to say, okay Diane, that's fine.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're coming over.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I didn't call.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love that she was so sarky.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a direct quote from Diane.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a year one.
• 13:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're one of us.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: According to Diane 10 minutes after the lights blinked out, helicopter appeared.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: If flew low over the ground over the field where Diane had seen the unexplained lights, see they would have believed you.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: After Chris crossing the area it passed over Diane's house and disappeared into the night.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next morning, Diane explored the empty fields around her house, searching for evidence of what she saw the night previous.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: She says, I searched everything.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were no marks.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were no spots.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were no matches.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just there was nothing.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only person I told was my mom and my husband.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It kind of bothered me inside for a long, long time.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not to tell anybody.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when I went out on the field, I couldn't find anything.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to believe me that
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: the people in the helicopter, which she probably would have continued to keep to herself if it weren't for something that happened a little over six months later.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Little did Diane know she was not the only person that witnessed what went on in that field that night.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: On February or in February of 1992,
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: a little less than seven months after the sighting, and 500 miles away, a unmarked package from Canada arrived at the Maryland home of Bob Echler.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bob Echler is well known UFO researcher and former NASA mission specialist.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The package had no return address.
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Inside,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: were supposed secret documents from the Canadian Department of National Defense pictures of supposed craft and alien beings and a map.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Inside the said map was wrapped a VHS tape.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: all pertaining, not known now, but pertaining to this 1991 siding, the tape was blank except for a label on the front that just said the word guardian followed by a fingerprint.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, obviously, Eschler believed the person who sent the tape was also the person that filmed it.
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eschler said on the label was the name Guardian.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was accompanied by a fingerprint.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guardian to me was an enigma, certainly nothing I had heard about in UFO literature.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a mystery starting from scratch.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... he was not familiar with the word nor did it nor did he know it had any connections to any other UFOs between it at the time etchler was unaware of Diane's sighting however
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He, as he's kind of doing his thing here, he's research and watches the video tape.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: The tape showed a cluster of brightly burning red flares, similar to the flares that Diane saw.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: A dark disc-like shape that hovered above it to the or hovered over to the right.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It emitted a bright glow from its underside.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was capped by a rapidly strobing blue light.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: The tape was among the most convincing documentations
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: In his 12 years of research, he could tell the object was a disc looking shape because of the flashing light on top reflected off of the curved surface of the disc.
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He felt that this was a real event occurring in a field as opposed to a prop set up in a room.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It had an extraordinary amount of luminosity characteristics to it that made him believe that it was authentic.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Later video analysis would show that there was no doctoring or editing to the film.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eschler said, I got this since initially that this was a real event occurring in a field as opposed to some prop set somewhere.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of had a sense that I might be dealing with something that was potentially authentic here.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as he is investigating this, he watches the video, he starts looking at the map.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, alright, he checks it out.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: The map clearly shows the area of Carp and West Carlton in Ontario.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he thinks, hey, this is probably where this video was sent from.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: So actually there'd be a UFO researcher.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's his passport, flies the Canada.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Where he meets up with UFO researcher.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love the edges of the thing for him.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm going.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want that to be us.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it'd be red.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want that to be us.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, the situation is straight up.
• 18:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Molder and deep throat.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's 100% gangster.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's 100%.
• 18:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Guardian is just a different word choice.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so fucking cool.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is super red.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so cool.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love how they're just like government documents in the envelope, it's just like the option of release in here.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So don't don't get too set on the government documents.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And some alien pictures, whatever.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Eschler takes off, if anybody that's in the UFO community knows Eschler's name, because he was one of the primary researchers of the golf breeze incident, which
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of put a nail in the coffin of his UFO research because he didn't do a very good job, but that's neither here nor there because we're talking about the Guardian.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine being on the Guardian case and on Gulf Breeze case, like fucking red, how do you get, how do we get to be UFO researcher?
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we definitely have more than two years of experience in the field.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So,
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to be UFO, I don't, yeah, we need to be UFO research.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, back to Ashler, going to Canada.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: As he gets to Canada, he meets up with Canadian UFO researcher, Graham Lightfoot.
• 19:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Graham told him, have a woman who had came forward with the sighting in the area that sounded familiar to the sighting that Ashler showed him on the video tape.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: They get together with Diane and decide to interview you her.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: interview her.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Put a pin in this because Lightfoot had met Diane previously and interviewed her because of a prior 1989 sighting.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So Diane's seen two UFOs now.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just put a pin
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's they've met before to their surprise, she described exactly what Eschler had on the tape, like felt that her description was so vivid that she could not have made it up.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He says she had not seen the tape, she had no idea what we knew and yet she was able to describe things that we already knew from the tape.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was shocked when she saw the tape as accurately depicted what she had seen.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, she was also happy because now she had evidence supporting her sighting.
• 21:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: This particular video of this sighting would blow the lid off the Guardian case and make it of a multinational, if not worldwide news because less than a year later, on February 3, 1993, the tape would be shown to the public
• 21:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: on everybody's favorite show on solve mysteries yes they played the guardian tape and it's they played etchlers guardian tape and it's entirety on the unsolved mysteries i think a season three something i don't know you can find it on youtube search a guardian case they have the unsolved mysteries episode there the same week it also dropped on sightings
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have two major publications putting this out to probably to easily tens of millions of people that tuned into that.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it definitely blew the case.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sky.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was one of the, because it's pretty early on in non-salt mysteries time.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because this is 1993, is a post-X files or pre-X files.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: like people seeing video tape of UFO was probably pretty shocking at this point.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Densel of Mystery's episode folks greatly on the Guardian tape, who Guardian was, and posted interviews of Diane Lebanon, Bob Eschler, Graham Lightfoot, as well as a reconstruction of what Diane had seen, starring Diane herself.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're actually seeing Diane in the Unsolved Mysteries Reconstruction.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, I'm not going to be no recreated person.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, fuck that.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who does who does me better than me?
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm authentic, bitch.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It also included the event being analyzed by Canadian US military officials who were interviewed to discuss the legitimacy of the encounter.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: The experts that were interviewed could not explain what was seen on the film and also could not dismiss the event as a hoax.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: As a hoax.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: as who has studied UFOs for many years is quoted on saying it's one of the clearest videos I've seen that shows a structured object.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's the light or there's the beacon light blue light evidently reflecting down on the body of the craft, the outline of the object itself.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can see some sort of dark lines that appear some brightness of structure indicating something generally or generating light hanging down below the object.
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's generating green light
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Maccabee believes the tape is not a fraud.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's quoted saying, the section of video which shows the object a sort of appearing over a rise as quite convincing to me as it is what you would expect if somebody were in a field trying to get closer to it and not knowing how close they could get.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as he turns on his camera, or so he turns on his camera while he's walking.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: You, or he knows he's going to come up over the rise and see it.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can see in the video, he moves further and further down until you see the whole device.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Suddenly, a light coming toward him gets brighter and brighter.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you get a great, big light diffusion reflection or image in the camera, which suggests to me that the object has shined a beam, a blue beam directly at him.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, as if you're watching it, you can see he comes up over the rise, he's got a camera out and he's walking and he's seeing the flares, seeing the UFO and the UFO shines a light directly at the camera and you see the lens flare from where it's picking up the beam of light at shining at the UFO.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: which is fucking sick.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're talking about the Guardian in question is the one recording the video.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: We assume so, because you say he, but I just wanted to make sure that we didn't have an actual name for the person recording.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, and we don't know the Guardians of Mailer.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's some things that come out later where you could kind of question who it is.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're assumed guardian is the one that took the fuck or took the video.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So my question would be her observation, whatever.
• 25:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to know the whereabouts of this, the time it happened and all of that because I mean, I live in a rural area.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I grew up around fields.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think the odds are?
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody just stumbles across a UFO back in the day with a goddamn massive camcorder to record a UFO.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like those odds are really small because in 91, the camera's a big size of a suitcase.
• 26:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hell, the moment of the shoulder.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, being out in a place with fields typically houses are pretty spread apart.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's not much reason for randoms to be in the area, especially with video cameras in the middle of the night, recording shit.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Parts of this seem to get answered maybe.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of gives me the impression that somebody new
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: it was going to be there or there is the possibility that somebody seen it was coming over to record it that is a possibility you know maybe a neighbor or the you know or die in herself and I was shit I'm a grab my fucking car I'm a got there get this get my 15 minutes thank you
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to post it anonymously where nobody knows who I am, yeah, oh, yeah.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's we when we kind of people start questioning the legitimacy of the tape, especially because of the contents also inside of the packages, which I'll talk about a little bit later, but there's also cooperating evidence of other witnesses.
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they're not part of a bigger scheme of things like how could unless they're witnessing a giant hoax going on, people are seeing something, we'll get there.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: According to Eschler.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: the entirety of the situation was too big to be a hoax.
• 28:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's quoted saying it appeared to be so large that it would not be logical to try to set all this up at night under darkness.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: There would have been evidence during the day of movement of generators of somebody hauling cables, maybe a big apparatus, or something they would have done to bring that light or to bring that there for that night.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, if there was a hoax involved,
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: audio analysis of the tape revealed that there is distance barking of dogs, which is consistent with Diane's encounter.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: They are assuming that the dogs are in the background are Diane's.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: The craft itself appeared or seemed to be silent.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was no audible trace of power generators, which, if the object was staged, would be necessary to run its massive lights.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: People who tried to debunk it tried to say that it was just set up like a pickup truck was set up out there or some people said they brought in a helicopter and parked it for the for the the staged hoax.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, you can hear dogs barking but you can't hear a fucking helicopter out in the middle of the field.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Robert Nathan of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory reviewed the tape in a non-efficial capacity.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He could not explain the images or dismiss the tape as a hoax.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: After the incident, low-flying helicopters cruised over West Carlton on a regular basis.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: The helicopters were black, green, or maroon in color.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were unmarked, and had darkly tinted windows.
• 29:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Canadian military denies any involvement.
• 29:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: where the helicopters came from, and what they were searching for remains a mystery, according to Major NJ Patterson of the Canadian Forces.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The helicopters that are used in this area of Canada do not fly that low in that area.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are no requirements for our military helicopters to go and fly near private citizens property like that.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Lyr.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: keep that in mind.
• 30:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't we don't know why the helicopter was in the area.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is only one reason the helicopter is in the area because there's a fucking UFO there.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Get off it.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop lying.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Stop lying.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: We see right through the bulls shit.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a documentary on YouTube called UFO Town.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: go check it out to where I got it's where I even heard about the Guardian Kit obviously I probably watched on Unsolved Mysteries but I was in Vulcan third grade.
• 30:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So...
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't researching UFOs then.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Go watch it.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great great documentary.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's short.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like 30 minutes worth the watch.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The guy who makes the documentary was so into it.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He went out as a teenager.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Barna's mom's car and went and started investigating on his own.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking gangster.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he found a couple that on the same night.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Saw a similar light or his the guys wife saw similar light
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I got that miss miss mistaken.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a few years forward 93 maybe his wife saw a similar light as to what Diane saw All her husband was at work.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: She called him.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, hey, something weird's going on the whole whole house lit up And he's like As long as a lot of the doors as long as you're safe.
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like I'll be home in the morning.
• 31:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll go check it out So as they were gonna go to the field to check out where she saw this
• 31:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, and my immense light come from a military helicopter landed in the field why they were out there, she said, they're military don't fly that close people's houses.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They both said they were multiple military men jump out of the copter, like perimeter of the area for one to two minutes get back in the copter and take off.
• 32:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't fly that close though.
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something we do guys, okay, we don't, we don't fly close to people's houses.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't do that and we sure as fuck don't, don't drive helicopters without numbers on them and our windows are definitely not tending no, okay, okay.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eschler says the key to the entire incident has to lie within the person using the name guardian.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's quoted and saying, I think Guardian has to be connected to the evit in some way.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see any way Guardian could have just happened on to this.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't see Guardian as a UFO investigator.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Guardian is much more involved in this than the evidence even suggests in my opinion.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think jumping to that conclusion so quickly is probably dangerous.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should probably never rule out not jobs.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just take this.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they definitely exist.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'd say it's a fair assessment.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with it.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, you know, and that comes from experience, you know, Steve and I, we realized that there are some crazy people out there that will try to insert themselves into narratives as much as they possibly can.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it happens, right?
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can have it.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have been, we have been duped by a time traveler once and so it happens.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I would say overall fair assessment.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: It just a little dangerous this early on to start hedging your bets.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which we're about to get into now.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The supposed military documents that arrived with the video tape raised serious questions about Guardian's credibility.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: The papers alleged far-reaching conspiracies involving UFOs, red China, and nuclear weapons.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bobesh there was skeptical.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's quoted saying, there's some question immediately with regard to the authenticity of the documentation.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that it doesn't look like it was a typical government document.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Major Patterson reviewed one of the documents and said, this document is clearly fabrication.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are way too many errors in the document to make it authentic.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Someone with very little effort could have come up a lot closer than this.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: included on the video tape are images which Guardian claim to show an alien being.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Eschler wasn't convinced.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Clearly this could have been someone dressed up in a costume, but that posed a major question.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: If in fact the video images of the disc are authentic and why would
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: event with fake images of alien creatures.
• 34:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: It said the alien was on the video tape, but I think it was in pictures.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: They they think they showed either stills of the pictures.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know if it was directly on the Guardian video.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, they weren't convincing either.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It could easily be a person and a suit.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, with that being said,
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would still like to have this type of crazy in our lives.
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where Eschler was.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is all about.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even if you're a complete nut job that literally wears tinfoil hats every day.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, please.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Although the video arrived a questionable material, many expert believe that the event shown on the tape did indeed take place.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it could have been a crazy, a crazy person that recorded something.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then it just fed all their
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: delusions.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it could have just confirmed every crazy theory they ever had and then then just like full on double down.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm running with it, full throttle bitch, everything that, like everything inside my brain is now 100% true, which I also love.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, experts said, again, the thing on the tape did take place, regardless of whether they sent fake documentation and fake alien photos.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever second place on that tape looks like a real fucking UFO.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's also a very interesting tactic, too.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's oversell this bitch.
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to fabricate government documents.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just all I do is picture someone like me fucking fabricating a government document and just constantly misbelling words in fucking hell.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: we got to get this tape out now, and you look at your fake government document and you go, yes, it looks legit and then you send it and then they're like, what the fuck this guy can't even spell that and it's got like a big maple leaf, like you can you can look up all this stuff on mine.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a big maple leaf on the front of us at D&D and all this hell yeah, I hope it just looks like a pot leaf yeah
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eschler says that only one person can answer this question as to whether it's real or not.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quoted, this is either an extraordinary top-secret flying vehicle of somebody's government or it's of non-human origin.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Having no contact with Guardian is probably the biggest frustration to an investigation like this.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know who Guardian is, what Guardian represents.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know if Guardian was sent or went on his own.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea the solution to many of these mysteries.
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea what the solution to many of these mysteries are going to be.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: We may never know.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I also love the fact that right here, he just, he just completely disregards the sheer insanity of the garden.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, you know what?
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: This 100% proves that he's either top zgrade or it's alien.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100% real.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100% real.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even with all the evidence looking even in the face, he's like this is real.
• 37:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: get ready 100% like no there's a third option that you know there is a third option not to say and that that's the logical answer however you should probably entertain the third option yeah so remember I told you to put a pin in light foot and Diane meeting before in 89 about uh U of O sighting
• 38:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: about to get back into that.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I feel like it's going to get a little interesting here.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I see.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, our friend Bob here wasn't the first person to get a package from Gordian.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh.
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: In 1989, Tom Theo-Fanus, shout out Tom Theo-Fanus, was working with the Canadian UFO Research Network.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Q4, which is like move on, but Q4,
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So bad.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard to say you don't want to say it's so bad.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: The R in there doesn't need to be there Q fun.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's like move fun.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Take the R out.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know you're a foe racer.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's curve on Q4.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Canadian.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like a dog.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I can't talk because they use the worst acronym the history of acronyms.
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look at sick.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: They received a package in 1989 from someone calling themselves.
• 39:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Guardian.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Kyle.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you there?
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's lucky.
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 39:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Had no return address.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tom says, the package contained a story about a UFO crash that supposedly happened close to Carlton Place, which is about a half-hour drive from Ottawa.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tom said there was also a photocopied picture of an alien.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, quote, for the most part, we thought it was a joke.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But Q-Forn Director, Harry Toker's, shout out Harry Toker's.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is all 100% real.
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Decided to call Arthur Bray, a well-respected UFO Arthur and Reese author and researcher who lives in Ottawa.
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And ask him if he had someone in the Carlton area, who could check out the story for us, as luck would have it, Arthur knew a fellow who was fascinated by the field of UFOlogy named Graham Lightfoot.
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Graham,
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: went on to investigate that siding and ended up interviewing witnesses that saw
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: a light essentially crash into a swamp in West Carlton.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The swamp is directly behind the field where Diane had her second sighting.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost the exact same spot.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Crazy, right?
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is crazy.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of those witnesses was Diane Lebnik.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: She claimed that on the night of November 4th, 1989, she saw an intense bright light pass over head, heading toward a swamp at the far end of the field behind and south of her home.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said she also saw several helicopters earlier that evening using bright lights to scan the area.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, as I mentioned earlier, she wasn't the only one to see it.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you have multiple witnesses and see in this shit.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it almost feels like Diane has like some all like, small tear your motive here, but it does.
• 41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's that was going to point that out.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It like obviously the cards are falling like they're leaning on Diane like this not being a coincidence.
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: that's exactly what I was thinking right until more people came forward saying yeah we saw it too we all saw it that makes it significantly more complex yes if it is a hoax by what for whatever standard for the more
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you kind of stated earlier about the 15 minutes of fame, why label yourself as the guardian in a thumbprint that never gets found out like that it's almost like, um,
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: If it were that route, it would be like the precursor to ARG.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Tinnfold, right?
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I highly doubt that no offense I in, but I highly doubt your brain is working that sophistication.
• 42:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think that's exactly.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another West Carlton resident recalled that that was the week in that some of his cattle had escaped from a nearby pasture.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: and it took until Sunday to round them up.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: A couple told Graham about the wife being scared by a very bright light that shunned through their south-facing bathroom window.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It reached right down into our hallway.
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The wife was also mentioned that she vaguely remembered hearing sounds of helicopters at the same time.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So multiple people again.
• 42:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also on top of that real quick, the other contributing factor that you can't rule out is the helicopters that came into the area and then the military personnel that was seen in the fucking field.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot rule that out.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is not coincidence.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is not fabrication.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is them knowing something took place.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it happens in more than one UFO case where these UFOs
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, others interviewed reports of their pets and cattle being disturbed the same night as the bright light and the crash on the flip side of that other people interviewed saw absolutely nothing.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: One was a couple who had a telescope up that were star watching to the southern skies at the time, so they thought, hey, if there's going to be a full crash, these people would see it.
• 43:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Along with the results of his examination of the field in the swamp behind Lebanon's house, there were no signs on the ground anywhere of the heavy equipment that would be needed to recover a crash craft.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: His report closed with, quote, although I could find nothing conclusive to support or disprove any of the witnesses' claims, I shall check back around the area later this summer.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The same Guardian material had been sent to several other investigators, researchers and UFO groups, as the story spread.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Both the former Provincial Director of Moofon,
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ontario, Mufon, Ontario, Clive, Naden, and the current Quebec director of Mufon, Christian Page visited the area on separate occasions and they spoke to witnesses.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: They confirmed that Graham Lightfoot's initial findings, and agreed with Tom and Harry, at Kufon, Kufon, that someone was trying to hoax us.
• 44:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Guardian resurfaces in 1991.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is before everything really started to take off.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: In the middle of October 1991, Q4nbg receiving more guardian information via the mail, all postmarked Ottawa, and envelope with some documents that mentioned.
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go, Kyle.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're ready, buddy.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm ready.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Documents the mention, a conspiracy between the Chinese and the gray aliens that are planning to take over the world arrived first.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then came a Polaroid photograph of the UFO flying across and unidentified road.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why the fuck did the Guardian not send this to RPO, Bob?
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm saying?
• 45:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would do, I would be, well, I would have probably framed.
• 45:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: every bit of that the fucking Chinese and the Grays are taking over the planet.
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's money.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I found that Guardian Litter and I have it transcribed that I will read later.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: UFO flying over and unidentified road, a while later came a black and white picture of a great type alien.
• 45:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: The fourth delivery in the series was a package.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It contained the now infamous VHS video tape with a green label on the cassette with a thumbprint and the word guardian printed on the label.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were also three playing cards in the package.
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: All with handwritten notes on them.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: an ace a king and a joker.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: A photocopied map showing the graze landing area along with notes explaining that the flares in the video were used to help the UFO come in, which can outmaneuver anything on the planet fly under the radar and knows where to land.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were also Canadian Department of National Defense Documention closed, which upon later investigation proved to be forgeries.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: These documents, it is thought, were designed to look like official documents on UFOs that the Canadian UFO are ather and searcher-stand freedman acquired via the Freedom of Information Act.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: for the United States government.
• 46:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: The video a few minutes long showed two different angles of what Guardian alleges is an alien craft on the ground.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: First again, a long shot of bright lights clump together to the right of the scene and what look like four red emergency road flares or fires and barrels along the left side of the screen.
• 46:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The second scene showed the same clump of bright lights from approximately the same distance but more
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: to the center without any flares and the sound of a single dog barking in the distance.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The third scene is only three flame frames long and it's a close-up of a pair of wipers halfway across a very earthbound vehicle.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Q4 and pondered what to do with the guardian information that arrived in October of 91 and decided that in view of the season winter they would hold off visiting the
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: then we follow back to Eschler getting the tape in February of 92.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, real quick.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do find it weird and I was just trying to Google some answers here, but I fell short.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Regardless, what do you think the odds are?
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I find it strange.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: that these guardian packages, maybe it's a hoax, maybe it's not, but the one thing that I find strange outside of the video are the supposed pictures of extraterrestrial.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think the odds are that those are just floating around in general public at that time?
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I was looking for the internet because I don't remember, I mean 93, I was jealous, fuck.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't feel like many households had computers in internet at that time.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could be very wrong.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 93.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: The internet was the public internet was in its infancy at that point.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 48:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So once again,
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: come from.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I understand that you said one of, you know, some of them were like zero ox.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were copied, but he had to have them somewhere and have them somewhere.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: They also kind of look like
• 48:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: people in suits.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're mine.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're staying correct.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know if I've actually got a, um, picture of them.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a recreation.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's about as not good as you think it would be.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like the lizard too.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: kind of he does put a lot of weird stuff in here.
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me see if they post a picture of the alien in the because I mean that's really clears up things.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know I'm thinking of like a picture of a gray alien.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not not that good.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're watching.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you watch you a photo town, they have tons of pictures of it in there
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's uh, it's a little suspect.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, a little suspect.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: But we still stand on business that the video at least.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody can disprove the video.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: To their best, the the Naysayers say it's either a pickup truck or a helicopter that doesn't make any noise while it's running.
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's yeah?
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 49:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So at this point, now we're coming back to when Eschler got the video, which his video was a little bit longer than the ones sent in 91
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: His version also had a couple minutes worth of win shield, plus several shots of Gray, and so he did have aliens in his.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The most important difference, however, was that his version of the tape had no audio track at all.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It seemed it was intentionally removed since Tom Theo-Fanist, theo-Fanist.
• 50:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So apparently his didn't have audio, but the two previous ones did, which caught Diane's dog in the background.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's strange, yeah, that's strange.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that was publicly easily done either.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to pull the audio.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unless the tape got fucked up somehow.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Eschler kind of, from what I dug into, Eschler was a person who wanted to,
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: own the investigation right he wanted everything about it to be about he he wanted to be head on if that thing got solved he wanted he didn't want to go through anybody but him he even made some like in my research he made some weird like back alley deals
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he had went to the Canadian investigators and was like, hey, let's get unsolved mysteries in here.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys think about us getting unsolved mysteries in here?
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'll shed a lot of light on the case.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as they were talking about it, unbeknownst to them, Ashler had already struck a deal with unsolved mysteries and brought it in.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's some shady stuff that is shady, it's weird.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is weird.
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he makes it.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It makes you feel like you're looking for your 15.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I definitely get that vibe from it.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because most people aren't trying to pull that type of heavyweight in.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're actually trying to figure shit out.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, that's.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But then again, I could see trying, you know, thinking about that.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's weird, it gets, he, he is a character.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, he, he was notorious for the way.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: He dove head first and Miss handled the golf reasons and in which, at that point, caused him to just retire from U of Fology.
• 52:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He died in 2020, so I'm not going to like, you don't want to speak ill of the day.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
• 52:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he got himself to a point where he just dipped out.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know what, he was going to write a book talking about how the Canadian
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like painted him in a bad light and all their shit, but it never came to fruition either.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to kind of consider some sources here Speaking of sources Here are the contents of the letter written from the guardian Yes In 1989 Here this this this guy the masterpiece this is this is what was printed on the 1989 letter
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Canadian and American security agencies are engaged in a conspiracy of silence to withhold the world from an alien vessel seized in the swamps of cocky road carp in 1989 UFO sightings in the Ontario region had intensified in the 1980s specifically around nuclear power generating stations on November 4, 1989 at
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: 20 hundred hours Canadian Defense Department radars picked up a globe-shaped object traveling a phenomenal speed over Carpentario.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The UFO abruptly stopped and dropped like a stone.
• 53:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Canadian American security forces, her com security agencies were immediately notified of the landing.
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Monitoring satellites trace the movement of the aliens to a triangular area.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: which he included in his package.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: The ship had landed in a deep swamp near Cochery Road, to a H64 Apache's and UH60 Blackcocks, or in a UH60 Blackcocks, headed for the area of the following night.
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The helicopters carried full weapon loads.
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were part of a covert American unit that specialized in the recovery of alien craft.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Flying low over Ontario pine trees, the Apache attack chopper soon spotted a glowing blue 20-meter diameter sphere.
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: As targeting lasers locked on, both gunships unleashed their full weapon loads of 8 missiles each.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: All 16 exploded in a proximity burst.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: of 10 meters downwind of the ship.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: The missiles were carrying vex on, a deadly neuroactive gas which kills on contact.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Expoze to the air, the gas break down quickly into inert components.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Immediately after having compelled, or completed their mission, the gun ships turned around and headed back across the border.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the Black Hawk landed, as men exploded from its open doors, and seconds, the six-man strike team had entered the UFO through a seven-meter hatchless oval portal.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: No resistance was encountered.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the controls, three-dead crewmen were found.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: With the ship captured the U.S. Air Force, pinning on an office of naval intelligence were notified.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Through the NIS, special team of technicians
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: assembled this sphere.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Early the next morning of 6th, 1989 construction equipment and trucks were brought into the swamp.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: The UFO parts were transported to a secret facility in Katana or Kanada, Ontario.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: As a cover story, locals were informed that a road was being built to the swamp.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: No smoke screen was needed for the military activity as Canadian forces regularly trained in the
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Officially, nothing unusual was reported in the area, although someone anonymously turned in a 35-millimeter role of film.
• 55:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was received by the National Research Council of Canada in Ottawa.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: The film contained several clear shots of an entity holding a light, sea photo.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: At this time, the photographer is still unidentified.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: The humanoids were packed in ice and sent to an isolation chamber in the University of Ottawa.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: CIA Physiologists performed autopsies.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: The reptilian-feated headed beings were listed as class one in T.E.'
• 56:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: 's, non-terrestrial entities.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like others recovered in previous operations, they were muscular, gray and white skin humanoids.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The ship was partially reassembled at underground facility in Canada, unlike previous recoveries this one was pure military.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Built as a star fighter, it was heavily armed and armored.
• 56:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: In design, no rivets, bolts or welds were used in fastening, yet when reconstructed, there are no seams.
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The UFO itself is made up of a matrix, dialectic, magnesium alloy.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: All offensive capabilities utilize independent, independently targeting electronic beam weapons.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the cargo hold where found ordinance racks containing 50 at Soviet nuclear warheads.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fulge and bag and eat.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their purpose was revealed by advanced tactical combat computers located in the flight deck.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we have a Starfighter UFO that crashed, hauling a nuclear payload.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: From the Chinese government, Soviet nuclear pay reload from the Chinese government.
• 57:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is weird.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is weird.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody clip that.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is weird.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, this is bizarre, because there's...
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's parts of it that sound legit.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's parts like that that fucking spend it out of control.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's still going.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I also have an idea real quick.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: All the shitty alien pictures were in suits.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: What if hear me out?
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: What if?
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: those pictures.
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he forgot to obviously include this in the packet.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: What if those pictures are his reenactments of what happened?
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope to God.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's just him running around.
• 58:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He gets, he gets his drunk neighbor like, hey, I need to, I need to snap these photos for me.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't ask any questions.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is this top secret government business.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about it, unsolved mysteries did it.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, call me Guardian, call me Guardian.
• 58:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I'm laying my money right now is that those were his interpretations of well versus the most seen.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're going to continue with the letter in the package.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Threatened by recent East West relations and the revolutionary movements within itself, Red China is preparing for the final ideological war.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: The aliens have agreed to defend China from the free world's combined military and nuclear forces.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: At this time China is arming the Middle East with their own nuclear arsenals, in order that they can successfully take on Israel.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unifying the Arabs under one Chinese command was simple, especially with Israel's recent iron first attitude toward occupied terrorists.
• 59:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Soviet warheads found in the UFO were destined for Syria.
• 59:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: CIA operatives in the Middle East have noticed huge movements of Chinese technicians and advisors.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: China is also supplying the Arabs with bacterial logical agents, migs, hindgun ships, tanks, and missile launchers.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The use of Soviet instead of Chinese nuke is part of a disinformation campaign to break up the east-west relations after the annihilation of Israel.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: The warheads were hijacked from Soviet subs in the Dragon's Triangle,
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hell, yes.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I knew this was right over your alley and I mean, I'm not a fucking bomb expert, but if you blow a new cup is there a tail sign that this one was Russian and this one was Chinese
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because I feel like there's probably not, but I know a lot left over.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, so I don't know how far that this information goes.
• 1:00:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, um, but let's just get like, put a pile of Russian nukes on the sidewalk.
• 1:00:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're leaving me in a UFO that the military takes it doesn't tell anybody, but yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... the dragon's triangle is a section of alien controlled pacific ocean once frequent in by rush and sub so that is after losing more than nine hundred high yield warheads and thirteen vessels commanders were ordered to steer exterior clear of that area uh... i think i would steer clear after like the third yeah can you eat a nine hundred warheads
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's insane.
• 1:01:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: The most important alien tech found were the two millimetres feroid brain implants, surgically and scissorically inserted through the nasal orifices.
• 1:01:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: The individually can be fully monitored and controlled.
• 1:01:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: The CIA and Canadian government have actively supported mind-slave experiments for years.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Currently, the University of Ottawa
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Akinar.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tenuation from the CIA Psychological Warfare Project known as MK Ultra started at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Using elf signals transmitted to the same wavelength that human brain uses, the researchers could subliminally control the test subject.
• 1:01:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: The alien impanalyance utilized the same principles, except that the whole unit is sub-miniturized and contained in the brain.
• 1:02:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately, the implants can be detected by magnetic resolution scanning technology, all individuals implanted by the aliens are classified as zombies.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: The zombies have been programmed to help overthrow mankind in the near future.
• 1:02:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: When China finishes with Israel, it will invade Europe.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, Chinese space-based bacteriological weapons will be launched at the Arctic.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: The winds will carry the disease into Russia, North America.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: In days, hundreds of millions will be dead.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Their survivors will have to deal with the Chinese, the aliens, and the zombies.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The aliens went all out war so that human resistance would be minimal when they invade.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They tried the same tactic once before with Nazi Germany.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the scientific advances we have today came from Germans, German science, which was based on alien technology.
• 1:02:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Had Hitler won the war, the Earth would have become a concentration camp in order to depopulate the continents for the aliens.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is some serious Alex Jones ship and I'm fucking here for it.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Told you you love it.
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fucking here for it.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're playing the hitters with the trifecta.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just on it.
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when did, when did the, I mean, when did the trifecta take place during Nazi Germany?
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Where were the zombies at?
• 1:03:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did they just leave, is that why the plan failed?
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they didn't have the zombies.
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, or the, where were the aliens?
• 1:03:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but they tried.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they've got a little bit more.
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're depopulating the planet for the aliens.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Data aboard this fear explained why the aliens are so comfortable with their world.
• 1:03:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They preceded man in the evolutionary scale by millions of years created with the dinosaurs.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're dinosaur, they're dinosaur, they're dinosaur evolved.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:04:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some six, holy shit.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some six, 175 million years ago, an interdimensional war destroyed most of their civilization and forced them to leave Earth.
• 1:04:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I need to know where he gets his information.
• 1:04:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Guardian.
• 1:04:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but I see a lot of it.
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know where he gets it.
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say it's in his brain.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, I don't know.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll be honest.
• 1:04:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's, there's some of the shit that sounds real.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is real, because we know, you know, with the fucking spherical brain implants, inserted into the nose, that's real.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: We've covered that.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, we've got like some of it.
• 1:04:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is definitely real.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Hitler alien tech thing.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's real, you know?
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: We know that's true.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yes, that is also the aliens were there aliens were there.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this guy is is
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: two four off his right.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love you.
• 1:05:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You said all that for a second.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're almost done with this letter because I'm here for it.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to hear it.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so some 675 million years ago an interdimensional war destroyed most of their civilization and forced them to leave earth.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now they have chosen to reclaim what was once theirs and also that's not.
• 1:05:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually how many times on Agent Aliens they talk about old school nuclear wars.
• 1:05:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: See, this dude was, this dude's a prophet.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's before his time, all the foggers.
• 1:05:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: The alien forces with their Chinese and Arab allies will attack within the next five years, waiting longer than that would make it impossible, even for the aliens to reverse the ecological, the ecological damage inflicted on Earth by man.
• 1:05:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate your enthusiasm.
• 1:05:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also, how did that work out for you?
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure it's been five years since 89 and we the Alien Zombie Chinese Arab Tri-factor did not take over.
• 1:06:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now you're wrong.
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I believe probably 93% of what's in his letter here.
• 1:06:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: the evolutionary dinosaur reptilians are coming back to take over the earth.
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can see it.
• 1:06:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't, I don't fucking know.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a dinosaur expert.
• 1:06:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's one field that I just didn't pick up.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen a dinosaur in a real life.
• 1:06:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: True.
• 1:06:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not a dinosaur expert.
• 1:06:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, I'm pretty much alien expert.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: A and most of the stuff is based in reality.
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that the combination put together is a 100% factual, but.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're they're that crazy.
• 1:07:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're that crazy.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've seen I think I've seen crazier.
• 1:07:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I've seen crazier.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I do appreciate Going way off the fucking rails.
• 1:07:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love that for you and for me I knew that would be the that would be the hook.
• 1:07:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I Love it shiny dinosaur allies.
• 1:07:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking awesome Taking over the world.
• 1:07:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the coolest fucking headlines ever That I mean it didn't happen
• 1:07:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's still time.
• 1:07:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's time.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, the, the Earth's to pollute polluted for them to survive now.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I missed their chance.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they're going to be populate for aliens, that also makes sense.
• 1:07:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Georgia guide stones in the talk of the population.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are, there are some, there are some circles that you can use to
• 1:08:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, it sounds like Alex Jones before Alex Jones, which is, what if Alex Jones is Guardian?
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it makes way too much sense.
• 1:08:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle solved the Guardian case.
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did.
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.
• 1:08:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's in my room.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was the great moment.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And just tell us how do we figure it out.
• 1:08:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was the greatest segue into my next part, which since we kind of covered everything The question is who is who was Guardian?
• 1:08:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: No fucking idea nobody really knows But there are some suspects.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, obviously Alex Jones
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: B, we got this other fella.
• 1:08:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: In the course of a meeting in November, our November, 1992, Graham Lightfoot learned of a man by the name of Andy Williams was claiming that he knew who guardian was.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Graham and Eschiller arranged to meet with millions of Williams the next day in Ottawa.
• 1:08:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Andy Williams explained that a friend of many years named Bobby Shurboi Shurboi,
• 1:09:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: had an ongoing interest in UFOs and had been calling himself guardian over the course of the years he was into investigating.
• 1:09:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: He went on to give details about Bobby and his interests.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Ashler and explicably gave Andy Williams all the material regarding the the carb case.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh yeah, here check this out.
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: On November 22nd, Graham discovered that a coworker knew Bobby as well.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... his sister mega dated the guardian suspect grandma talk with me and she confirmed that bobby was an avid ufo buff and it discussed the phenomenon many occasions in the past which mean in the ufo doesn't necessarily mean you're the guardian the chinese dinosaur take over guy
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Despite having signed an exclusive with unsolved mysteries, not to do another show until 30 days after their airing of the carpcase, Eschler records segments for sightings in January of 93 without telling gram until after the fact.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So another shady ass fucking deal.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly, Dr. AJ, Quarrington, a witness participates in the sighting after refusing to meet or even discuss the case with Brand and Clive Naden.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you've moved on in the early stages in the investigation, they're trying to pin this on.
• 1:10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Old Bobby here, Eschler once a solution to the story.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: The best way to capitalize on this is to pin Guardian down.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eschler came in, solved the crime, resolved the case, and he once Guardian.
• 1:10:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm fit in and solve anything.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he wants to, though.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, it.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like there's the dumbest take that you could possibly take, because the real story is not to pin the guardian down.
• 1:10:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: The real story is to pin the fucking UFO down.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?
• 1:11:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: On February 1st, 1993, Eschler and Graham meet with reporter Lewis Lois Tuffin, who also knows Bobby.
• 1:11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Eschler asked her to deliver a package of UFO material, two Bobby, and hopes of getting his fingerprints, so she did.
• 1:11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The package was returned to Eschler an hour later.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: The following day, Eschler collected the package from Lois and took it to the Ontario Provincial Police to have it checked for fingerprints.
• 1:11:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: There were none.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a feeling that Bobby had outsmarted them and wiped every package in paper clean.
• 1:11:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 1:11:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's gangster.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was all admit that's weird as fuck.
• 1:11:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking awesome.
• 1:11:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely strange.
• 1:11:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Diane Lebonyk on hearing Bobby's name said that she had also known him for a while and then he was a good friend who often visited.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Eschler asked her to try to get Bobby's fingerprints from any kind of drinking glass that he might use.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lebonyk claimed that Bobby had a neck for always wiping his fingerprints clean of anything that he touched.
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: that's a strange thing to do, which could lead into having some crazy conspiracy theory thoughts in your brain.
• 1:12:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it still doesn't make sense as to why he would leave his temperate on the tape.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it does make sense to why he would wipe his finger back.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
• 1:12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you leave?
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Unless he was just, unless he wanted to make it
• 1:12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, like, just put in guardian on there.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you know what this need something.
• 1:12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: This fucking need something.
• 1:12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
• 1:12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Boom.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is that money?
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now I have to make sure that no one gets my thumb prints.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Send this motherfucker.
• 1:13:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it's, that's so bizarre.
• 1:13:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a bizarre behavior.
• 1:13:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's a wife.
• 1:13:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're finger prints all the shit.
• 1:13:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely OCD is a motherfucker.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, also kind of conspiracy.
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna start doing it just to throw people to fuck off.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely, yeah, if he is the conspiracy nut, yes, that makes sense.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It definitely makes sense, especially in that time, because finger print acquiring finger prints was a little bit more difficult back then.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not as commonplace now, as though we use our thumb prints and shit for everything.
• 1:13:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:13:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also strange that he referred to himself as guardian in several conversations outside of the guardian stuff.
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty gangster, pretty gangster name.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also not that far fetched because he's a dude and dude, dude, dude, do things like that.
• 1:14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't gave us our ourselves cool.
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, having a cool handle in the UFO community, well, paranormal community is kind of cool.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: A couple more things here before we go, just to spin back on the helicopters.
• 1:14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: that were seen in the area.
• 1:14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: As a follow-up to Diane Leibnick's assertion about helicopter activity, following the landing investigator drew Williams called the Department of National Defense on May 12, 1992.
• 1:14:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was told that the military held exercises every August using helicopters, and that they would get permission from land orders for the choppers to land in their field.
• 1:14:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: If an emergency were to arise in a helicopter at the land, D&D,
• 1:14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: would have to pay compensation to any damages caused.
• 1:14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: On July 12, 1992, Graham made a number of calls to various military establishments to get information on helicopter activity.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was told that they do not use flares during landings at night, but do use Kim sticks the glow in the dark.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Captain Mark Boo-Boo-J said, although the choppers were on exercise on August 19 1991, they were many, many miles away from the West minion corners on July 14, 1992, Eschler arrived, back at Grims.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Please blah, blah, blah, blah, Colonel Brando didn't think it was a helicopter when shown a photograph taken by one of the Lebnik children of a Huey helicopter that Diane Lebnik maintained had buzzed their home after the landing.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said, it's not one of ours.
• 1:15:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were decommissioned two years before the photo was taken.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you got some fucking weird old helicopters there, too.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I could have let you see that be in the US.
• 1:15:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Brando suggested that may have been an American chopper that had come across the border without notifying Canadian authorities.
• 1:15:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Something which apparently happens.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Often took a lot of soil samples.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: didn't come back with anything crazy.
• 1:15:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also want to spin back to another woman who was featured in the documentary who Eschler interviewed on the TV program encounters.
• 1:16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he did on some mysteries.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did sightings.
• 1:16:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: He did encounters.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: This woman went by the pseudonym Sarah,
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: She lived not far from the Lebnetcom and could also see their field from her living room.
• 1:16:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she said one night, well, the same night, the Diane officially saw her sightings her living room lit up.
• 1:16:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she went outside to go check it out.
• 1:16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said, she witnessed the craft and saw beings walking from the woods get into the craft.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: She says, as that happened, she immediately woke back up in her living room.
• 1:17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: She said the next day when she was driving to work, she saw multiple military vehicles driving down the road that led past their field.
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh... she also claimed later on that that same night she was abducted by the alien scene in the guardian footage this people that have examined the guardian footage
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: say that the angle from where the video was taken would have been exactly where she would have seen the craft on that road that she had walked down before she lost time, right?
• 1:18:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you want to call a statement or a memoir or something that was put in a lockbox that said, do not read until I'm gone.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: When she passed away her grandson, who she had mentioned, she had talked about the sighting in passing,
• 1:18:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: about seeing the lights and stuff.
• 1:18:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Her grandson opened the envelope and she goes into detail about what she saw about the abduction.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: She even references Guardian in the the memoir.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there is a case to be made that she could have not necessarily been Guardian, but she could have been the person filming the UFO.
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: which throws her kind into the camp.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll could she have been Guardian.
• 1:18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I do find it crazy though, because the Guardian is essentially the cherry on top if he will.
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 1:19:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Guardian is legitimately
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: irrelevant to the events.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, the Guardian somehow made itself the main star.
• 1:19:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, which is fucking weird.
• 1:19:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep, everybody lost sight of their being a fucking UFO with the possibility of aliens walking around and abducting people.
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Multiple UFOs in this same spot.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: over over a two year time period or here's here's an idea the crazy guy that you were talking about I forget his name already that contacted unsolved mysteries actually okay what if hear me out what is he did get a package from Canada what if that package was the video
• 1:20:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: that the woman taped, and he, he guardian it.
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: He guardian it.
• 1:20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Could be maybe he got wind that some crazy was sending all this stuff to the Canadian UFO field, you know, in the 80 in 89 and 91, he thought I can inject myself into this, but they also
• 1:20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do like, etched their feels weird in this.
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 1:20:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: To me, to me, it doesn't feel like he's perpetrated the hoax, but to me, he feels like he wants his name on it.
• 1:20:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: He wants to be the one to solve the case.
• 1:20:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, the the the Guardian is just fun.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:20:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the fun.
• 1:20:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the fun.
• 1:20:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Left hook of the story.
• 1:20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
• 1:20:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:21:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Guardian gave no real information for the most far.
• 1:21:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: What about the alien?
• 1:21:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: What about the dinosaur evolutionary takeover?
• 1:21:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's definitely some truth hidden in there.
• 1:21:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 1:21:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I knew as soon as I genuinely mean that there is truth hidden in the context there.
• 1:21:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just think that it was the fun aspect of it, right?
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That should have been the icing on the cake.
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should have never lost sight of the actual UFO sighting.
• 1:21:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely tons of stuff there.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that the Guardian just made it over the top.
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is great.
• 1:21:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love it.
• 1:21:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm about that life.
• 1:21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what we are here for.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We want that type of fucking insanity brought to our doorstep.
• 1:21:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's meaty.
• 1:21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's it's fantastic.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's one thing that has to be said is that even if even if the Guardian is all fake smoke and mirrors or even
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even if the video, even if the alien pictures are bullshit, even if the video is bullshit, you still have multiple, multiple people seeing something there.
• 1:22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you look into that area in that time period, even after the Guardian
• 1:22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: video came came to fruition.
• 1:22:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: People still had encounters there like I said there was the abduction account.
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are multiple people in that documentary that also seen strange lights in the sky.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some woman was driving her son home and it lit up like a baseball stadium in her car shut down.
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Typical UFO shit.
• 1:23:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Farmers in the area talking having multiple cattle
• 1:23:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Class A typical UFO crazy ship was going on there regardless of the Guardian.
• 1:23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:23:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: So at the very least he brought on attention to a UFO hotspot that otherwise nobody would have fucking known about because everybody there was like man we better not like they were like
• 1:23:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's it.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's the guard.
• 1:23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's good.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Guardian.
• 1:23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love I love the chaotic turns.
• 1:23:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as soon as I found the letter.
• 1:23:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Oh, Kyle's gonna.
• 1:23:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's gonna like this.
• 1:23:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's fucking rad.
• 1:23:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love hearing that topic.
• 1:23:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want an OG copy of the Guardian letter.
• 1:23:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd be sick.
• 1:23:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: you can find all all this information is found online if you go to uh... biblio take uh... pletties dot net they have the end they have a huge huge huge file on the guardian case tons and tons and tons of shit including pictures of some of the stuff he sent with mess monics symbols and i would frame that it's wild i would frame that and you wild also uh...
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I use tons of sources here, what else I got.
• 1:24:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Center for UFO and Quiry in 1993, the Skeptics UFO newsletter did a whole big thing.
• 1:24:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Alien UFO blog did a whole thing, UFO casebook did like, it's a big case, I'm surprised that we didn't know more about it prior to this, but check out all that shit, go online.
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: look up the unsolved mysteries you can find the unsolved mysteries episode you can find the sightings episode you can find the encounters episode which has also shitty the Eschler signed a contract with unsolved mysteries not to talk about anybody else not talk about with anybody else for 30 days and then turns around to the sightings too probably get a fat paycheck fuck yeah um so sus but yeah that's the guardian encounter
• 1:25:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Check out the documentary called UFO town.
• 1:25:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on YouTube for free.
• 1:25:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can go watch it short 30 minutes check it out They do to put it together and host.
• 1:25:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's cool cool dude.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to talk to him just kind of pick his brain about that whole Series anyway.
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks for hanging out with us today.
• 1:25:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you all have a good week
• 1:25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird, and try and protect yourself from the dinosaur evolution zombie Soviet nuclear Chinese arsenal that headed our way for total global takeover.