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Cannabis Confessions: Jack Nichols Journey from Sneaky Teen to Creative Adult · Bite Me The Show About Edibles

• 1:16
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Bite Me the show about edibles.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: I'm your host, margaret, and today I'm thrilled to bring you the very first episode of a brand new series I'm calling Cannabis Confessions.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: In this series, I'm shining a spotlight on the incredible members of the cannabis community listeners like you by diving into their personal cannabis journeys, from their first experience to how cannabis plays a role in their everyday lives.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: These stories are heartfelt, inspiring and uniquely their own.
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: In this inaugural episode, I'm sitting down with a listener of the show and a member of the cannabis community to learn about their journey, the lessons they've learned along the way and their thoughts on edibles.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: Whether you're new to cannabis or been part of the culture for years, you won't want to miss this candid and relatable conversation.
• 2:05
  Speaker 1: Please welcome Jack to the show and let's get into it.
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: All right, everyone, I am really excited to be doing this interview today because this is a first member spotlight Cannabis Confessions, if you will, and I am joined today by my friend Jack, and Jack, if you just wanted to introduce yourself, let us know where you live and if cannabis is legal where you live.
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: Right on.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: Well, my name is Jack Nichols and I'm very happy to be a part of this podcast, currently living in Peterborough, ontario, and cannabis is legal here.
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: I've been grateful to be living in Canada for the past I don't know, decade or so, so it's, or longer than that, actually so I've been very fortunate to be able to enjoy it legally for quite some time now.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, and legalization is not perfect here in Canada by any means, but it's definitely nice to have federal legalization because we have access.
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: There's so much access, so there's access and there's um, yeah, there's just not that fear.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know what if I get caught and then I have a record and just ridiculous stuff like that that used to exist and exist and not a part of my day anymore?
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: It's really nice.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: So maybe you can start out by telling us the story of your first experience with cannabis and how it's evolved over time from that first time.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the first time, I would have to say, probably when I was 13 years of age, elementary school.
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: I was pretty innocent and we all were yes.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: And then walk through those golden gates of high school and just had a ball.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: So I don't, to be honest with you, don't quite recall my my very first moment with it.
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't quite recall my very first moment with it.
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: I knew I enjoyed it enough to go back for more.
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: But the one thing that I do remember in my early days was I was the oldest grandchild on both sides, so I babysat for what is it?
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: 11 aunts and uncles, so I babysat for every child.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: And so back in the day, uh yeah, with your tv you had to literally get up and turn the channel and they had a tv guide, you know the book with all the channels and all the shows that were listed.
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: I do remember those yes, yes, I do some of our young listeners might not know what we're talking about, but but on the end table, beside every couch, you'd open it up.
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: There was a tv guide and then I'd open it up and there would be their pot right okay so also back in the day they used to have the, the pampers, baby bottles with the baby bottle liners that would go in that you'd fill with milk.
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: So I'd go and snag a couple of those and they were never paying me enough to begin with and I'd snag some of their pot.
• 5:23
  Speaker 2: I've since confessed to every one of them, which has been a lot of fun, but that's my earliest memory is before I had my own dealer or whatever Was.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll babysit for you, not a problem.
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: Right, You're just giving yourself your own little bonus.
• 5:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize this was going to be so true in the in terms of cannabis confessions that you were sneaking.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: There's one.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: So you started out pretty young like 13 is pretty young to be starting with cannabis but you were sneaking it from the aunts and uncles, who I'm sure probably.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: What did they say when you told them that you were?
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: you were kind of scooping some other weed they, they just laughed, because I have since pretty much smoked with each and every one of them, right um.
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: So they, they just giggled and laughed.
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: You know, it was 25 years after the fact that I finally confessed, you know.
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: So they couldn't press charges.
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: The statute of limitations had expired yeah, so you waited until the right time that's right yeah, that's awesome.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: So when you first started smoking, like, how, how has that evolved?
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: Because I know when I first started smoking it was like an all day, every day kind of affair typically, and my cannabis uses changed significantly since then.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: So what is it like for you now?
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: Now, what is it like?
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, now it is evolved, it's a daily for me.
• 6:47
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, it is part of my routine.
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: I, I, I, I thoroughly enjoy it.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: It I use it for different reasons at different times.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: I know there's days that I've had where I probably haven't, you know, smoked, but you know if it's handy, you know, sometimes, well, it all depends on the occasion, you know, sometimes I will, it all depends on the occasion, it depends.
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: I do a lot of writing, so it all depends on what, what I want to accomplish that day.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: So you tailor it to sort of the goals and objectives for a day and do you use it a lot around your writing.
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, constantly, constantly, yeah, yeah, it'd be an interesting study.
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I am as equally as creative, if it's a placebo thing, you know but I certainly personally feel I am more creative, more open.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: I do comedy, so I think I'm funnier.
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, yeah, I think it, it really just helps, maybe just confidence wise.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: I I'm not really really sure.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not a science, you know psychological, you know it's kind of like an experiment of one.
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, lots of people have talked before about how cannabis can sort of get those creative juices flowing.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't be the first person who's using cannabis for creative purposes, though I am curious when you are, when you perform comedy, do you do it high?
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know if that would make me feel more confident or give me a lot more anxiety yeah, I, I definitely will have had a couple of pulls um, but not I wouldn't say I'm stoned.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little bit take the edge off, type of thing, but I'm not, I am not stoned.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: You know like, yeah, yeah, you're not committed to that couch lock effect or anything when you're trying to like, yeah, on your toes on stage or anything, yeah yeah, definitely, definitely need that and uh, mind you, if that'd be an interesting study too, I'd be willing to participate in that well, you'll have to try some time and let me know how.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: What happens with that, because I get to have that in the audience.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: That's like also sort of like why some people will have a drink before they perform or something.
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: The same reason.
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: They're just trying to take the edge off those nerves.
• 9:23
  Speaker 1: But it seems like cannabis would be a safer way to do it If you understand your dosing and you know how it affects you.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like I have more control under under.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely feel I have more control under the influence of cannabis than I do under alcohol.
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you haven't committed the same amount of time to alcohol, right, but no, for myself personally, yeah, yeah, not the way to go.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: Now, do you have a favorite method of consumption for your cannabis?
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: I'll do it any way, shape or form.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: Convenience is probably what you know.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm a lazy pothead, so I do like the vapes because they're good to go whenever you are.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: I do love edibles.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: I love that it's a different, it's a different high, it's um, I like how my body gets more involved in an edible than just my mind.
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, in my eyes, the spray, I did the spray a lot at West and I kind of liked it.
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: That was neat.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't really noticed it here, but yeah, I haven't seen a well, not that I go into dispensaries a whole ton, but I haven't really noticed too many sprays on the market.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Would they be just ones you'd spray under your tongue?
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: yeah, it was almost like a breath spray, you know, right, and um, yeah, you do like two to three.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: I'm a bit of an extremist, so I would do maybe 10 to 12 or whatever, and it was a great bus.
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that, but I haven't.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: I've got a good story about that.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: Would you like to hear that one?
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to hear it.
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: You're welcome to share right now.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: This is cannabis confessions, after all.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Well, here's another confession, because I don't suffer greenouts.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: Very, very seldom I have suffered them, but like it is, you know, might be years and years type of thing.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: So I was flying from, I think it was, edmonton to Toronto and you know, going through my head, you know the speech from the stewardess is I can recall the days where you could smoke on a plane and so on and so forth.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: A lot has changed, but there's nothing about this spray and I figured you know it's small enough, it gets through security or whatever.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Gets through security or whatever.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: So I buy a book it was Elton John's biography and I go to the dispensary and I and I purchased the spray and I'm on the plane and stewardess does her, her chat and her spiel and and she doesn't mention anything about this pot spray.
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: So I pull it out and give myself, you know, 10 or 12 sprays and the plane you know the plane takes off, we're in the air.
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: I'm reading this book.
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: I have lots of space because it was kind of COVID time.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: So I've got my book and I'm reading it.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm a cigarette smoker as well.
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: So as I'm reading this book, I'm thinking you know what I could really go for?
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: A smoke.
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: I thought I'll wait till the end of this chapter, finished the chapter and I set it down and put my hands on the armrests and pushed myself up.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, I'm on a plane.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: And then I had both you know, the one in white and the one in red on my shoulders going you're way too stoned to be on this plane.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: You are fine.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: You've smoked more than this, you've done more, you're fine.
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: No, no, you are fucked up.
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: You didn't even know you were up here it was.
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: It was probably about five minutes of finally talking myself down out of the green cloud and uh, yeah, but that was.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: There's another confession.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the spray.
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: Be aware of your environment Right?
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: I wonder too if the altitude would affect the like.
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: How it the effect the the high, because I have heard that when you drink alcohol at altitudes it can make you feel more drunk.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've never actually looked into that, but that's a really interesting question, which could be why you actually greened out, maybe for a few yeah yeah, because your usual dose and suddenly you're like you don't even realize you're on a plane.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: That would be a weird feeling it wasn't good you were getting ready to light that smoke too, weren't you?
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: oh, totally, totally bad they're lucky I didn't make it to the door right, yeah, that's funny.
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Now, has cannabis helped you manage any challenges in your life, whether physical, emotional, otherwise?
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, yeah, my life's been full of challenges and, yeah, I think it's added some patience where I've needed patience, you know.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Even health wise, I think it stirred up an appetite when I needed to have one.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: I think there's so many benefits that we haven't even tapped into, to be honest with you, even the creams.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: I've tried the creams and they've helped.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, emotionally, for sure, for sure, for me personally, I usually only do sativa, um, but for me personally, cannabis is a very calming effect on me, um, for some reason, I think it kind of brings me a little closer to earth, a little grounding.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a good friend for a very long time.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Right, that calming effect is important too, and you mentioned also like how we're still learning stuff about it, and that's you know.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like we're almost at the tip of the iceberg right now.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: A hundred years of prohibition has just meant that we haven't learned as much as we possibly as we could have otherwise.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: And so it's kind of an exciting time because now that it's becoming more legal in so many jurisdictions, we're discovering all kinds of new things all the time.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting you mentioned that you find this grounding effect or this calming effect when you're typically consuming more sativas or the uplifting cultivars, because some people would find those like way too anxiety producing or just make their mind race too much.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: So it's just a nice demonstration of how cannabis affects everybody differently.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: And you do kind of have to experiment, so like you might experiment with smoking before you go on stage.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to experiment, so like you might experiment with smoking before you go on stage.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: You kind of have to experiment with all this stuff.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: So Completely and I and I've seen the negative impact on some people I think maybe there's a sensitivity and allergy, you know a chemical imbalance.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: You know marijuana is not the only thing I've ever done type of thing and but I've always thought that your mindset and your environment have got to be comfortable and feel safe to enjoy anything.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: So if, if some people are trying something under under different conditions that might not be very conducive to a positive high, you know, I think some things can be controlled so that you can have the reaction that you want.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: But I do believe some people are sensitive and it doesn't agree with everybody yeah, well, I mean, sometimes we forget when we're in these cannabis circles, like we want to believe that it's a panacea for all things.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: But like anything, there are those few exceptions where it's not ideal for those people.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Fortunately, they can probably still use cannabis topicals, which I like to, you know, point out that it's such a versatile plant.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Even if you can't consume it for whatever reason, you can probably still have the benefits of a cannabis topical.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a good.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: It's an important reminder that it's not for everybody as much as we want it to be so.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: And those bath bombs are incredible, right yes, yeah, oh.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I love all the body care products.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: They're, uh delightful.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: They just make such a big difference to so many people as far as like the physical aches and pains that we experience.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: So it's such a treat yeah, yeah, it really is and I want to love myself yeah, that's that's a treat for me yeah, of course, and we should be all doing that more, like loving ourselves and just taking care of our bodies.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: So cannabis topicals are a beautiful way to do that, even Even if you can't consume for whatever reason.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, some people are sensitive to it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, and as it's funny, you mentioned the allergy, because I'm not allergic to it.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I am sensitive to THC when I like smoke it or vape it, but I am allergic to the cannabis plant, like if I touch it enough and stuff, I get hives and everything.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And I mean it doesn't really affect too much.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I can, I still do it, I still grow and all those kinds of things.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: But and it's not surprising I'm allergic to dogs and cats and hay and all these things.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So the fact that I'm allergic to cannabis isn't that surprising, but I am one of those people that is allergic to it when I'm, when I'm handling it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So I just have to be a little cautious too.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: But that's amazing, though, that you're still able to enjoy it though, right, that's fantastic.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, ingesting it, like when I eat it in edible, it doesn't affect me in a negative way, it's just handling the actual plant material.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And sometimes cause me hives and that kind of thing.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So yeah, but once it's processed into something like a tasty edible, then consuming it with a vaporizer or you know whatever, then it doesn't bother me that way either.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: But as someone who's allergic to a lot of things, it's really not that surprising either.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So right, yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Now, there's a lot of cannabis myths that are still kicking around these days, even though you know a lot of people have been working hard to sort of dispel some of these myths.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: But is there a cannabis myth or misconception that you've personally encountered that you'd like to set the record straight, based on your own experience?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I think the one that I've always disagreed with is it being a gateway drug.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: It is not.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: You can take it from me.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I'm 57.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I've been smoking since I was 13.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And my only commitment is not.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You can take it from me.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I'm 57.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I've been smoking since I was 13.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And my only commitment is cannabis.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: It does not.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: It doesn't create a drive to try anything different or, you know, to climb a ladder.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It doesn't.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: It doesn't inspire that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: For me anyway, I think, maybe years ago, the only reason it could be considered a gateway is you know it was illegal, so you had to go to your drug dealer.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: The drug dealers, the businessman.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: They're going to want to sell you more of something, so they'll be the ones to introduce you to something different that they're selling.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: But it is not a gateway drug.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I have yet to come across a scientific study that proves that it's a gateway drug.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So you know I can understand it being said, because you know children or young adults, when they're, you know, going to start testing the waters, so to speak.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: You want them to have a healthy respect for anything they test and try, but yeah.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I firmly believe it's not a gateway drug.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Right, I would say based on my own personal experience either.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: It is not a gateway drug, and I do remember the assemblies where the police would gather all the high school children and let them know that if you did cannabis you were probably going to find yourself in an alley shooting up heroin.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Pretty short order and that has turned out to be, for the most part, from what I've seen, not just with myself but people I know completely untrue.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yes exactly.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just some of that propaganda that really liked to float around for way too long.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, just a fear.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on over, it's fine.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny too that you mentioned about the drug dealers, I mean more back in the day, because I guess, yeah, a good business person might try and introduce you to something else because they are trying to make money, might try and introduce you to something else because they are trying to make money, but it was also really common to find drug deals that only sold cannabis or maybe something.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I was potting mushrooms.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, actually, that was yeah essentially.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: That was unbegabable yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And actually that brings something up.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on that you mentioned earlier about people having like uncomfortable experiences, Because it's often talked about in the world of like magic mushrooms, about set and setting, how much that actually applies when you're using cannabis as well.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Set and setting is still a consideration that most people don't think about that much.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: But if you're typically used to consuming cannabis, like I don't know, at your house when you're watching a movie or something funny or whatever, and then suddenly you go to like a huge festival, your experience is going to be different Totally.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Keep that in mind.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: You're going into something, especially if you haven't done it before.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Set, and setting applies to cannabis just as much as it does to our, to mushrooms.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: So and those are usually the settings where you're invited to partake.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, right is usually an event, but I think that can attribute to a lot of people's, you know.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: First, negative experience is just yeah, it's just having an improper setting for an introduction to something new right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: So choosing the right setting is important, because if you're doing it for the first time at a big event, there's tons of people and you've never tried something before, the odds that you'll have a more negative experience, I think, increase exponentially.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Like you know, a smaller, safer place with people that you trust, like it's just yeah, just something to keep in mind.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Which brings me to my next question, kind of fortuitously if you will what advice would you give to someone who's new to cannabis or they're curious and they're not sure where to start?
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: I would start slow.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I would not mix at all.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Um, if you're going to try cannabis, I would commit to that being what you're going to enjoy that evening.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Um, but I would recommend you you start slow.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: You can always do more or have more, or smoke more or eat more, whatever your means are, but start slow.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: But, as we, as we've discussed, you know, make sure you're, you're in an environment that that you have some control over.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: You know, you know the, the house or the, the property.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: You're with people that you know and are always been comfortable with, like you've already.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: You're going to start something new, so I would make sure everything else is comfortable and old, you know, and then write the new person in, try the shoes on and see if they fit.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, give yourself a chance to enjoy it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that too and not mixing.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you're probably alluding to alcohol, probably specifically in this case, which is excellent because the crossfade, as we like to call it, is an advanced move, and even for those of us who have done it a lot, it's still typically not recommended, because your experience can vary widely when it comes to mixing alcohol and cannabis together, and it often doesn't go that great.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I've been trying it for years and trying to master that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I've been trying it for years and trying to master that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: The one rule that I have so far is you have to smoke before you add the booze.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: For me just for me, which is usually never the problem.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, if somebody ever cracks that code, give me the formula, because it's even at 57 years of age, been a cannabis user for over 40 years.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Started drinking around the same time like my first time drinking yeah, still haven't mastered it Right.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So if you haven't mastered it by now, then who has really?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You've had like 40 plus years of tries to try and make it work.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, maybe there's a few rock stars, yeah.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's, it is best just to do one or the other, and I find also now like I'm drinking a lot less these days and I just find that I prefer to do one over the other, and usually it's cannabis anyway, because cannabis doesn't make me feel like shit the next day.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I just feel like I'm in a lot more control too.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I can sit down and have three beers and feel fine, and I can sit down and have three beers and feel like I've had 12.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So it's something that yeah, it's a.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It's a math equation I have yet to figure out.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: And if I find alcohol has so much more to do with what, if you've eaten, what kind of mindset you're in?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: There's just too many variables that I think have to be all lined up.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: With alcohol and with cannabis, I don't find the rules are as strict.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Right yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: And again, if you do consume a little too much, then you know, maybe you feel kind of icky the next day, Maybe you know you have that weedover, which is you feel a little groggy.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: But I've had alcohol hangovers and I wish it just meant that I felt a little groggy.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: But usually it's way worse, especially as I get older.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: The hangovers are just horrible oh yeah, you can be on your knees.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: So this is why usually cannabis wins out over the alcohol.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Lately these days, and every time I'd open, like up an app or whatever, it just seems like there's another study coming out being like that that alcohol shit will kill you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: So you know, in the longterm it's just really not that great for you.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So no, yeah, no now, is there something that you've always wanted to know about cannabis, but you were afraid to ask, and that's, of course, suggesting that I might have the answer and I it could be a question I'd have to get back to you on, but yeah, is there, uh, something I've always wanted to know?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: geez, I should actually have a question.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I I'm not sure if it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I've gotten to know cannabis pretty well.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Um, you know what?
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I would like to know how to trim properly.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: You know what I?
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: would like to know how to trim properly.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's fantastic that these people that have been reprimanded in the past for growing and so on and so forth can now make six figures, trimming in a grow up somewhere.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, cause that is apparently the art, from what I understand.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: And do you grow, then Like so you'd be growing your own cannabis.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: You'd need to trim, Cause I probably could do better at my trimming as well.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I have a family member that is excellent at it, but I'm just never there during that process.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: You know I've I've been where.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: You know the plants are all in the in the bathroom but you can't turn the light on to pee.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: You know I've been through all those phases.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: They have tents as well and also a large property that they do grow in, so I absolutely love the art.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I love that it's not something that you just water and walk away.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: I love the fact that cannabis needs a relationship for it to work yes, it really does it does it does bring people together too it really.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I think a lot of our plants have a lot of the answers period, but yeah, it just needs a relationship in order for it to maximize its its positive contributions.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Right, and yeah, but I, I, yeah, I would like to know how to trim better trimming techniques.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: I mean that's, uh, something I should look into myself.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So I will do that very thing, and it's funny that you mentioned that, that, that relative that you have.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: You've experienced the harvest and stuff, but never experienced trim jail, because that's what they call it.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I haven't been sentenced to the table with you know, for hours and hours yeah I'm surprised right?
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: well, maybe next time you'll have to volunteer for a little bit of time, do a little time I don't know the way you phrased it there well, I mean that term.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: That term just comes about because usually harvesting plants right you have to harvest, you have to do all the trimming at once, typically, and it's it's a big job, it's a yeah yeah, I mean it's all great to be like I got these massive yields, but then you have to do the work afterwards.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: So I think they enjoy it yeah yeah I mean, if you're doing it with people and you have some music going or you know you're listening to something, then it can be sort of a communal experience too.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Or even if you're just doing it by yourself, you can sort of, you know, put on something funny or listen to a podcast.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: listen to bite me the show about edibles and and trim away.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So you know it can, but I have had the experience of having like so much stuff to trim and it just feels really daunting sometimes at the beginning.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: So that's where the term trim jail comes from, yeah, but also where the magic comes from, because all that trim can be used in making edibles.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: So don't throw it away.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: People Keep it.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: It can be cool.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple more questions for you, jack, before we go.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: What would surprise people about you?
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Hmm, well, it all depends, but I think that I'm a trans man.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Might surprise people, or some people might go.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I knew it, Um, but uh.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that might surprise people and, um, you know, cannabis has definitely, um helped me literally every step of the way on my transitional journey.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: It's provided me patience, it's provided me some pain relief, it's provided me a lot of laughter.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I think it helps me express myself as well.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think that's what might surprise people and I think that's how cannabis has definitely assisted me on my journey.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's beautiful and I thank you for sharing that, Because I imagine that there have been times when that journey has been really difficult.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine somebody transitioning and being like well, that was easy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think those words have probably ever been uttered in that sentence.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the first person to ever say that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Right, and of course I'm joking because I recognize that there's no way that going on that journey is an easy thing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: No, it certainly hasn't been an easy task, but I like having the conversations and the discussions.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I think it just makes it a little more normal.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you for sharing that.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: My pleasure.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: It's probably not easy, and I guess the last question is is there anything that you would like to leave the listeners, any kind of anything that you would like to leave the listeners with as we finish up this conversation?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: um, I'd like to thank them for their time and listening to our conversation and supporting your great podcast.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I would just encourage people to, um, not shut the door on cannabis and doesn't mean you have to rush out and try it or whatever, but be open enough to allow everybody else to enjoy it anyway and set yourself up for a positive experience if you ever do want to try it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't imagine.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine my life without it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Um, I think I'd be miserable.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: It is amazing.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: The impact it can have on your mood when you're just not feeling yourself, you're feeling beaten up by this world or feeling shitty, like it really can sort of even if it just doesn't totally like erase that bad mood, it can at least sort of lift the cloud yeah, yeah it's, it's very versatile um, because I think you, Because I think you know you have enough chemicals in your mind.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: So if I'm asking cannabis to help me creatively, I set that environment in my head.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I've asked the question of it and quite often that's what it does.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: If I'm asking it to give me some patience, that's what it'll do if I, if I'm asking it because I'm not well to encourage an appetite, that's what it will do.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Like it's.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It is ridiculously versatile and I firmly believe you can almost set the gift you're going to receive from it prior to enjoying it right doesn't always have to be for pleasure.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It can actually have some medicinal um and calming effects.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: So that brings me to one more question, because I know I said that was the last question, but you said something that stuck out to me, which was does that mean that whenever you consume cannabis, however you consume it, that you're doing like a bit of an intention beforehand?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say all the time, definitely not, and certainly not.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: When it's a social thing, I'm doing it to enjoy that moment and the people that I'm with, but absolutely I set down to write, I set the intention and it's almost like a smudging or whatever, and then enjoy my, my, my cannabis.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, I firmly believe that you can do that and I, I, I believe that cannabis is versatile enough to to enhance what it is that you're asking it to do.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Um to to enhance what it is that you're asking it to do.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Um, you know, I haven't had enough experience and I do have to get into more edibles because I have to quit smoking.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for a surgery that I right I want to have, yeah, circulation to not smoke right and, like I, this is a relationship.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: You know I'm not ready for a divorce.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still love my partner very much.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it can really help reduce the smoking.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: That's for sure, because I find myself in the evenings.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: If I'm eating edibles like I'll, I'll smoke a little bit beforehand, but as soon as I as soon as that edibles high hits, I'm usually not needing to get any higher.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And you know, I know we've had a conversation beforehand, so I definitely need to sit down with you and and learn a little bit more about edibles, cause I'm going to definitely want to be introducing that as a different form for me to rely on or not rely, but to enjoy.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Well, luckily for you, I have five years worth of content.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Invite me to show about edibles and a website and all kinds of things for you to explore, so I can definitely help you with that.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Outstanding.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and with that, jack, I just want to say thank you for spending your time with me today.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You are the first member spotlight Cannabis Confessions, guinea pig, if you will and I think you did fantastic, so thank you so much for joining me today.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you, margaret, I had a great time.
• 38:29
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• 38:32
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• 38:37
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• 38:48
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• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Stay high friends.