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Blood and Wax - The Dark Origin of Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_04: Hey Alex, it's great to see you, man.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a little while.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_03: Hey Kelly, what's up?
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: We see each other every I I don't I don't know why I always fall for that one.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um I certainly I certainly hear your voice a lot because I like to listen to back catalog episodes.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I gotta say to everyone out there, if you didn't hear the uh big mic banana one, it was it was a really good one.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_03: Banana Mike.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: Big Mike.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: Banana Mike, big mic, big mic.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh gross gross Michel, right?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: Gross Michel.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: Gross Michel.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's gross Michel, actually.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, gross gross is like it's like a size, right?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's large.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but it's French.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: G-R-O-S.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: So I think it might be gross.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: Did I say gross in the in the episode?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you said it with kind of an accent, so you could get away with however you said it.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: Kind of went, I'm kind of known for my accent.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: You really are.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and also want to give a big shout out before we get started to Michael Wright, who is a new supporter of ours on the uh platform BuzzSprout.
• 1:09
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• 1:18
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• 1:22
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• 1:25
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• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: What Alex, what do you think?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_04: So many different ways.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: And we have different levels of of giving too.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we can send you a t-shirt, we can send you a pink Cadillac.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_03: Pink Cadillac.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's still on the table, folks.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_04: We haven't sent that many.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: We've only sent three or four so far.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I know it's early in the year, but uh, we got to get those t-shirts or pink Cadillacs.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: Remember, it was uh 160K, I think.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, 160, and you get a pink Cadillac.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: And and we'll talk about you every single week.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like you're a super fan.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: But in reality, we have a real super fan.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_03: You've probably heard us reference Al from Austin on this show more than one time.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Al uh has been a bit of a stalker, and we were asking him if he would, you know, not show up at our house at 10 p.m.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_03: and and not uh be sending us all the illicit pictures he likes to send over text.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: And he said he would do it if we would let him on the show.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: So this is our chance to be free, Alex.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm looking forward to meeting Al from Austin finally after all these uh years.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: So, Al, um really great to have you on.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: Tell us a little bit about yourself.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, as I think you've summed it up pretty well.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Al from Austin.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: And uh that's following you guys has really kind of changed my life.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you the the models that you exude and uh and and live is what I strive for.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh both of you.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh listening to DNC and dead ends is just gets me through uh gets me through the day and the weeks, and I feel like I I just I feel like your family almost.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: Hashtag low bar, right?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's low expectations are good, you know.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: Key to a happy life.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, as I've been told.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: So we have given Al from Austin full permission to come up with an interesting dead person to talk about, and neither Alex nor I know who that person is yet, but I was assured by Al that first of all, it would be somebody interesting, second of all, somebody dead, and third of all, somebody that we might know a little bit about.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Alex, before Al from Austin says anything, do you have any wild guesses?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I know that early on he uh was requesting Bob Ross.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that was I think episode three.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: He was already uh and and then that's when we made our um our um rule that there's no requests unless you come on and do it your own damn self.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_04: Now you've broken that rule a few times.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_04: I think your mom suggested Satchel Page.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's right.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_03: And actually, actually, one of uh Julie, Julie is a friend of ours who suggested Mary Kay, which I thought was a great one.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_03: A great suggestion.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, I'm I I'm a little more flexible.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_03: Alex is a little more of a stick to the rules kind of guy.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_04: No, in fact, if you s recommend somebody, they go to the bottom of the list.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_04: You're so you're so hardcore.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll do Ross in 10 to 20 years from now, I'm sure.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: He'll still be relevant.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_03: He'll still be a cultural.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: I've still got that list though, Kelly, that we always uh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: It exists on paper, even.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_03: God forbid it's like a spreadsheet or a Google Doc or something.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually a physical piece of paper.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Al, um, you you've come on to enlighten us.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: Can you give us some clues about who you want to talk about today?
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, absolutely.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for having me, uh, fellas.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm very excited about this.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I will my very first clue is that this is not in the typical DNC wheelhouse.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Alex, how do you describe the wheelhouse?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's people who are not famous enough to have a biopic about them.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yet everybody knows their name and everybody knows just a surface level stuff about them.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: You also say, yeah, I wait, I I can I can quote Alex because I've heard him say it before.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's uh a white guy from the 20th century.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's my lane.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_04: That's my particular lane.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay, because that's that is so I actually in quotation marks have 20 20th century white males.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_02: That is the uh right.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's my lane.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's his okay.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: So this is not that's the first clue.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: This is not in your lane.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay, uh, so this person is a woman.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, uh born in Strasbourg, France in 1761.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, 1761.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: Madame Curie?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Marie Curie?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, it's gonna be my guest too.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all uh man, y'all are uh you're good though.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_02: But uh she was an artist and a businesswoman, and she died in London, England in 1850.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: Where did she die from?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_03: Did she have her head chopped off or something like that?
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_02: She did not.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it it I honestly think she died in her sleep, which you know, she died of something, right?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing notable.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing notable.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_03: And she was an artist, and what what's the other thing you said?
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: A businesswoman.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_03: Businesswoman.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, wait a minute.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_04: Hold up.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: Was she in the world of cosmetics?
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe adjacent.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_04: Or fashion?
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's a stretch.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_04: So it wouldn't be like Estee Lauder or anybody like that, or um, no.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_04: I guess 1700s would be.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this was a while back.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, do we do we still say her name today?
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is it a name you still hear today?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's the third criteria of DNC, right?
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was just double checking.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: And and is it a product today?
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_03: Is it is it like a company or a product that we still use that she started?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sort of, yeah.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: Sort of.
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  SPEAKER_02: So should we just jump into it, or do you want to keep keep trying?
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: I I, of course, have come prepared to talk to you guys about Anna Marie Groschholz.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, right over my head.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: All right, so you might know her better by the name she went by later in life, and that is Madame Tussaud.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_04: I love a good wax museum.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're waxing poetic.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_04: Waxing poetic.
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  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
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  SPEAKER_04: So these museums are awesome, by the way.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, they're not they're not awesome, they're terrible.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_04: They're always a blight in every in every tourist trap city.
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  SPEAKER_04: They've ruined like the city of San Antonio, for example.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right next to the Ripley's, believe it or not.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, and the Rainforest Cafe.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_04: Terrible, but I love looking at pictures of wax figures, and I think it's funny that they still exist.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you've you've read my mind, and what's funny is that um my wife and I were in Vegas recently for our birthdays, and there is a uh Madame Tussaud's there, and I and I thought, I wonder if, you know, is that a real person?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I kind of started down that path.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: And and what was uh when I started doing some research, like where are they located?
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: There's very few locations.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, and they didn't list San Antonio, and I was like, no, come on, the Alamo and House of Wax is right there.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, what's the deal?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I actually have this for the end of the show, but the Wax Museum in San Antonio has a similar name uh and a similar origin, but it's a different company.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll come back to that.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: So there's there's impostors of human impostors.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_03: You got it, you got it.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: Ironic is it's it really is, it really is yeah, yeah.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: So she was born in France, died in England, and and did she did she succeed with this endeavor back in the 17-1800s?
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, did people actually did people respond to it back then?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, very much so.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: So she was uh successful in her time, she was uh well known, she was famous in her time, and uh really uh very talented.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I I gotta tell you guys, I was it was a lot of fun because it's not what I expected.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh there were there was a lot of layers to the onion.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: And so uh let me just say, okay, born December 1st, 1761, uh she was born two months after.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm sorry.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: She was born two months after her father was killed.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: And her father was fighting in the Seven Years' War.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: And um so she never knew her father, didn't have a father figure early on.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and just kind of a side note, Seven Years' War.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um some people think of that as the first true world war because it was, let's see, Britain and Prussia were fighting France, Austria, and Russia and all of their empires.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: And probably King Charles was in there somewhere, right?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: And uh probably, right?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so you know, in the in North America, we hear of or know of maybe the French and Indian War.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh does that name ring a bell?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Honestly, I I I know it by name only.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know anything about it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_02: That was a campaign of the Seven Years' War.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: And um, that was the only one that was in North America, but it it really was widespread.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's how her father was killed.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_04: But I hope the next thing you're gonna say is that she created a wax figure of her father because he was not present.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: I wish that was a I wish that was the next thing I was gonna say too.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_02: There now, there is, there is I was so excited, but decided that it's just total folklore.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but it's an awesome story that actually appears in her memoirs, but folks have said it's just it's bogus.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: And she did say that her father was shot in the jaw, uh, and they reconstructed his jaw out of a silver plate or tray, or I've heard it referred both ways.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: And supposedly her mother kept that as a keepsake, and so she was fascinated with this this silver tray jaw.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing that supports that.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: It just it's a great story.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean that sounds like the origin story for an evil superhero, right?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like an evil villain.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: I would think if it's in your memoirs, it happened, whether it really did or not.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: I would think also if I wrote my memoirs, 30% of it would be made up.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and that's that's exactly what they say.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_02: Listen, these are it's all just grandiose.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: So, but she did uh she she and her mom, uh Anna Marie, was six or seven years old.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Her mother took a job as a housekeeper, and uh they moved, and this is like move into the house, live there full time, and they moved in with a guy named Philippe Cursou and moved to Bern, Switzerland.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and um so Cursou uh was a physician and an anatomist, and a wax modeler.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh there you go.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can see where this is going, right?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um and that's not something you hear typically these days, a wax modeler, right?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that that's that's really a very niche thing.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but maybe because we have so many other alternatives.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, folks were making these models.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_02: He's he got into this business uh uh for educational purposes.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: So you think about you're a doctor and you're trying to train other doctors.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't have plastic, right?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: They couldn't make a plastic uh skeleton set, so they did it out of wax.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, those lips that you get at Halloween that that go like this.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_04: Just gonna say a big fellow has wax lips within arm's reach of them, right now.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: I love I I haven't had wax lips in a long time, but I will say, just on a little bit of a tangent on wax uh candy, I like wax lips.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_03: I also like those little cola bottles that have wax and you bite in and it's just that sweet flavor of it.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think we've talked about those before.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why those are so good.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's it's I would no, they're not.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: I would never drink that stuff by itself.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's just insulin, basically, isn't it?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: And and they just they stain your teeth, you know, and they're they're they squirt.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: You ever bit one and it squirts the wax out all over everything?
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_04: I bet you I have wax lips within 15 feet of me.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, you have everything within 15 feet of me.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: Everything is within 15 feet.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I've got a lot of old goodie bags from birthday parties around here, so I'm sure there's wax.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: There's wax lips, yeah, and a kazoo.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_04: I would love a scavenger hunt where I had to come up with stuff within 15 foot radius of me.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_04: I bet you I would win.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, 100%.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_03: This room is pretty chalkful.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's junk in here.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so so she and her mother move in with this guy, and he's a wax, what'd you say, a wax modeler?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: A wax modeler.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so I can say a little bit about kind of the wax as a uh as an art media.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, folks were um they were using it for you know anatomy, they were using it for uh to create an image.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: We didn't have photographs.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you have a painting, but a painting is really, you know, it's a two-dimensional two dimensional.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: This is a three-dimensional object uh that can be transported.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: And quite frankly, it sounds to me like the the function that a wax museum serves today is that you can go and see these people, you could see royalty or you know, notorious people or or whatever.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, the the way that Crusu started for was from the education side, but he started getting more and more into the art side of it.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um so and so kind of this quantum leap from you know some at some point during this time he transitioned from education really into art.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: And um, but his relationship with uh Anna Marie was very uh very paternal.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she referred to him as uncle throughout her life, uh, and they worked together and he taught her taught her the craft.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: And and quite frankly, she was really good at it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: And what I what I understand is that uh because he was good at it and they were good at it, you know, people sought them out.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it is generally accepted.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it is uh I mean this is credited to him with her helping uh but they did Volta, Voltaire.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and you it's I found it online.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually a beautiful wax, it's more of a uh figurine.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's at his on his deathbed.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it is still on display at the uh Victoria and Albert Museum in London.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's really cool.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: So these things last hundreds of years.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I guess just be you know to be preserved uh with you know proper preservation and care.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh but it it's very lifelike and uh really neat.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um agree that uh she did a uh a uh uh form of Benjamin Franklin.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um and these are when I started into this, I thought, oh yeah, it's like a death mask where they're laying stuff on people's faces and creating mold, but it it's really not.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: Some of it is, some of it is using it to to shape and create, maybe using clay to create an image and then make mold, uh, make the the the mold and and create it in wax.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um so they're done over molds.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so and I was assuming you'd need different kinds of blowtorches to melt it into into shape, and then you would like freeze it into place, or do you know technically how that's done?
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: No, and you're uh we would have to save that as another show, and I don't think I'm gonna be asked back.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_04: But uh I'm very technical version of the show, actually.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_03: How to how to there you go.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_04: We take every episode and we do the how-to.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_04: So like listen to the Zeppelin one.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_04: Kelly gets very in-depth about uh how Zeppelins are made and built.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm interested in the plaster caster.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: Can you tell me how to do that?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so um so he died in 1794, and um kind of uh just a measure of their relationship, uh, he left this whole collection to her.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Now, as you know, students of Dirt Knap City and as the the co-host, there was I left out a big chunk of something that happened in there um between you know prior to 1794, and cared a venture a guess comment on that.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: Was it a was it a uh war or a or Napoleon or something?
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, prior to Napoleon was the French Revolution.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so so so you're doing a great job, by the way, of tying in Napoleon.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_03: You said that Benjamin Franklin had a wax figure.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you get points for all these.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_03: Ding ding.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's we're gonna add a ding sound effect every time you mention a former episode.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: But I also want to point out one thing, a little known fact that I don't even think Alex knows.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I snuck this in.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: So uh one of our first season or second season was uh Colonel Sanders, Colonel Harlan Sanders.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: Second episode, second episode.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_03: The image of him in the thumbnail was actually a wax image of him.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: This is the best thing I could find.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you did know that?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: So so there's that too.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you're just there you go.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: They took a lot of wax to make that.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, okay, so the French Revolution and the Reign of Terror, and um during this time, they're living in Paris, and you know, they're being sought out by the elites to create these these, you know, models of themselves.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: They are associated, they become associated with the elite class, which is not necessarily a great thing.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and off with their heads, off with their heads indeed.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so during the time uh they started creating molds and cast of the severed heads of the royalty and other people who were killed.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_04: Such a great idea.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: Collect them all.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't it wasn't a business thing, it was the revolutionist came to them and said, We need you to do this so we have proof.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: And they would take these wax molds, you know, on parade.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_02: They would take them to other towns.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Look, here's you know, whoever he's bit he's dead.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: But it's a wax mold of his head, not his actual head.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: It is a wax figure that looks very lifelike, but it is wax, it is not the head.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: But there's only one head, they could have five of these that they could take around to various.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, this was mass marketing, the first step marketing.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_03: So so I wonder when they did those, um, if they did it with like guts and and brains and stuff hanging out of it, or did they just do the head, kind of had a clean line at the bottom?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, but they did a lot of them.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so supposedly by doing this was a way to demonstrate their allegiance to the revolution.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: And to preserve their own lives.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: So whatever the motivation, it worked, right?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_02: So um but shortly thereafter Uh Curseau dies.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: He leaves everything to um to Anna Marie.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: And uh 1795, we got another man slides right in.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: And uh this is Francois Tirseau.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, Slide Right In is a great description of what happened.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he saw an opportunity and um you know marries this woman, she's famous.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh she's she was already famous.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: She was famous from the standpoint that people were coming to her to commission art.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: She was well known in the in the uh wax uh beheaded people scene.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right, and in the full body, I mean, and Benjamin Franklin.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's yeah Colonel Sanders.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so Francois, there's really not a lot on him um other than uh or their marriage, other than it was described as it was not successful, and that was something else that was in her memoirs.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: So not successful.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: They did have three children.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: They had a daughter who died uh either in childbirth or as an infant, but they had two boys who uh lived to be adults, and um in you know, may we may come back to them in a little bit, but um this you know, unsuccessful marriage, uh so she takes this as an opportunity, she packs up the entire collection and moves to London.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um and the reason there's this is speculation, they never divorced.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the speculation is at the time uh it didn't matter uh you know, property rights, everything would have gone to Francois, and she knew that.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh so she she kind of am scraped in the middle of the night kind of thing.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: I'm taking I'm taking my wax figures and going.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm out of here.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_02: Taking the wax figures and the oldest boy, and we're out of here.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and so they started a new life in England and they toured.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: They have this collection of these um, you know, some of them beautiful figurines, but they also have these really gruesome severed heads, you know.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it was, you know, from a brilliant marketing standpoint, you know, sometimes these things are gifts, and the press labeled it the House of Horrors.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so that's just that's fantastic.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think I think even today they have a section of the House of Horrors and it's partitioned off, and you know, it's a special thing that you have maybe pay more money to, but uh to get into.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: But um they they move over, they they kept the uh kept the thing going.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_02: They toured the British Isles uh supposedly for 33 years, but in 1835 they actually created um a permanent museum.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: And um and this is kind of cool.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_02: So uh and it was called Madame Tussauds, um, and it's been around for over 200 years.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: That's in London.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was the original one was built um Baker Street uh 1835.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_02: They moved to a new location around the corner as it was described in 1884.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that one was destroyed by fire in 1925, they rebuilt it in uh 28, and then in 1940 it was bombed by not I don't know that it was singled out, but it was destroyed by German bombings, and uh they lost 325 of the uh of the molds, of the head molds.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um but uh it's still alive and kicking.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's now part of a company called Merlin Entertainment.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: They also have uh Legoland, they have uh uh the London Eye, the big Ferris wheel in in London, uh they have you know various other things.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's hard to I was trying to get some financials uh to understand um you know how they're doing, but it's not they don't uh they don't report for uh uh Madame Tussaud's alone.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: They it's kind of the whole company.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so the so the estimate is they're doing you know 19 million visitors a year.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: And uh and they do about 25 bucks to get in or so 40 to 60 bucks, depending on yeah, yeah.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: And they're doing about 132 million a year in revenue.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um now what I was surprised, and this kind of goes to Alex's original comment, was there's 18 global locations, and I'm like, no way, how can there be 18?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: They're everywhere.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Well, now comes Louis Toussault's waxworks.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_02: Louis, Louis, who is the great grandson of Madame Tussaud, and um so this is a rival?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: This is a competing it's a rival, and it is owned by Ripley's Entertainment.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, okay.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's why they're always next to Ripley's Entertainment.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: And that and that spigot of water where the thing is just up there and the water's coming down and nothing's holding it up.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: How do they do that?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: So cool, so cool.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so and then you guys made the comment, or Alex did, you know, that it's just it's cheesy and it absolutely is.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but I did read some descriptions where Madame Tussauds has described as high-quality gold standard for wax museums.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: Right, of course.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: And Louis Tussaud uh waxworks is more of a so bad it's good experience.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: I think the thing that I reject is that it's always in a place where you don't need that, like next to the Alamo or next to Niagara Falls, right?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: You know, places that they you don't that's but they're never destination places, right?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody's gonna take a trip just to go to a wax museum, right?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: But as long as they're there, you could picture a family saying, All right, well, we've spent the whole weekend and we're two hours in and we're done with the Alamo.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_04: What else is there to do around here?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Or you've gone to Niagara Falls, but it's still Saturday afternoon.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: What else is there to do around here?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, there's a there's a Louis Tuesday.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_04: Now, are there any m so in the 18 that there are, uh, how many are in the US?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I believe there's five in the U.S.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_02: So Vegas.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's Vegas, and I I actually I didn't know Timesquare, probably Niagara Falls.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: You said it.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_03: You set it into existence.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: Now the Arboretum, the the Arboretum in Austin.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: One one of the things that I wanted to check was how many of the um residents of Dirt Knap City appear also in Madame Tussaud.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: Did you check?
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: I did.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's one.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's one.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_02: What no way.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Because wait, you said they're all over they're all over at Louis.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh wait, wait, so if if one company does one, do they own the exclusive rights to it?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like in other words, can someone else?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder if there's like copyright with that.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: Wait a minute.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, because the person that they do doesn't even have to be a good one.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was gonna say, I wonder if you have to get permission from the the person to do their wax figure.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: No way.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: No?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: No way.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: Who knows?
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: There's no way Queen Elizabeth would give permission.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: Or Michael Jackson's escape or Prince.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_04: There's no way Prince would give their permission, his permission, but they did it anyways.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: So so have either of you actually stepped foot inside a Madame Tusseau's?
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so before before this, I would have said yes.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: But after doing my research, I'm gonna say I went to a Louis.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I have not been to a Madame Tussaud.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_04: I thought you went to the one in Vegas.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Walked by it.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: We walked by it.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, I I still want the answer to the question.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_04: Of all of the Dirt Knapp City residents, only one was in Madame Tussaud's.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_04: Can I guess?
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: I've already eight.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Uh oh, Ben Franklin's.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: I think it's Benjamin Franklin.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's gotta be.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_04: Now, is that because those are just more they don't add as many new ones?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: I I I don't know.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, not uh not maybe that there are some obscurity with Dirt Knap City and they want the highest named people, you know.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: I can't imagine.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I can't imagine that there's no Napoleon or even Bob Marley, yeah, I agree John Lennon.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: I agree, I agree.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, you know what?
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I exercised what I felt was the standard level of research.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: Due diligence.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Due diligence.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_04: You looked at Wikipedia.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: What if we hear me out?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: What if we start a third branch black and just call it Dirtnap City.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_04: Just call it Dirtnap City.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: And then we only and every two weeks we put in a new one.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: It gives us two weeks to make these things.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it can't be that hard.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: No, I mean can I ask a moment though, because I have seen photos of these things and they are uncannily real looking, right?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: And and for her time when when there wasn't television and there wasn't movies and there wasn't those sort of things to compare it to, it it must have been sort of a sort of a novelty and and kind of a creepy novelty, right?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: To see these things that look so so quick quick side sidebar.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um at Jody's work, they were throwing away some mannequins, and they were children mannequins, and they were used to model children's clothes.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: And and uh my daughter decided that she wanted to take them to a recycling place, like an upcycling place, so they didn't get wasted.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: She put them in the trunk of her car and scared the crap out of me when I opened the trunk.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: And it's they're in these plastic bags, and they don't have faces or anything.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like a weekend of Bernie's situation.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: Two two children in in plastic bags, uh, you know, that without any features.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_03: And she ended up taking them, but I can't imagine how it could be in bags though.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's they were dusty.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: That that they they were throwing them away at the at the place where my wife works.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: They were gonna throw them away, and she said, Oh, my daughter will take these to upcycle something or another.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: And so she put them in plastic bags and stuck them in her car, and then they rode around back there for two weeks.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_04: I would have kept them just to get in the HOV lane.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: Problem solver right there.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, well, well, so a few more questions on that.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um I wonder, you know, in today's technology, if they're still using the same methods to make them, or do you think they're a little bit more automated?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you could almost like 3D print these things these days, right?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: I I would imagine that the early methods would be so cost prohibitive today.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_03: They would take forever.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you could just, like you said, you could do a 3D uh rendering or or printing.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh but that's not the point.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: The point is having it done in wax.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: I mean Well, I don't think that's I I I don't think that Louis Tussault really cares, you know, about the the process.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: They want an image that looks like Justin Bieber and they want it quickly.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you aren't allowed to touch it.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_03: So how are you gonna know if it's wax or something else?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wait a second.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: You can I think for the$60 ticket, you can touch them.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: You can?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Can you take selfies with him?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yeah.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure that's wow.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure that's all you people do.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I Sadie, my daughter, uh, has a picture actually with uh Justin Timberlake when she was a kid and up in New York, and uh it's it's pretty funny.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: The wax the wax museum.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder if there's any way to determine like what the most popular one is, the one that gets the most tra traffic, the one that gets the most selfies.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm sure that changes all the time.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure it used to be Michael Jackson and now it's right Harry Styles or whatever, but you know, you you know that either Ripley's or Merlin, they know the answer to that question.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they're smart business.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's probably on the on the way out.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's probably the last one.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was gonna say it's in the back.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of like at a grocery store when they put the, you know, they put all the good stuff in the back, so you have to walk past everything to get to it.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um do you think a wax model is heavier or lighter than the real person?
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_04: I I I have no idea.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna say heavier.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_04: So a wax figure of Andre the Giant might be a thousand pounds.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, hang on.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm gonna say lighter.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Lighter because I'm guessing they're hollow.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you think they're hollow.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm guessing it's like a it's a shell.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's like a you know, a catterbury bunny that's just a uh a shell of a thing that's empty.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: Well well, is that what you meant by the mold?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like the mold was the shell part, or they would they would pour the mold um and then they would put the wax around it.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I did read a little bit about death masks, and I don't know, have you guys seen a death mask uh at a museum or like at a you know, if you go to a uh Is this like King Tut kind of stuff?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: No, I actually saw some of it at the I think it was the Vatican where they had some popes.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it was, you know, they but what they do is they clean the face and then they apply some type of oil or something, uh, and then they put uh plaster over that, and the oil is to you know make it so that form comes off easily, and then take it out and they clean that out really well, and then they'll pour either the wax or the plaster or Paris in there to create the the uh the image.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: So you can have the negative that you just created, right?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: From the face, and then you pour it and then you create the positive.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: So then you can make as many as you want.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: You can make as many as you want.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then when they made like bodies, um they would if it was a if they were applying that same approach, they would do multiple and then they would piece them together to create.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um But what I was surprised about is like when I read that that they had done or she had done um Ben Franklin, I thought, wow, that's really interesting.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um but then I was like, but he wasn't dead, so you know, how did this happen?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, was were they do you remember the office episode where they're gonna do a face imprint of Michael Scott in the concrete and he has like a straw or something?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: And they actually they actually described that that's what they would do for uh live people, and I thought there's no way Franklin did that.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um well he lived in he lived in Paris for a long time.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm guessing most of these people don't have any idea that it's being a good thing.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the that's the last part, is they are actually making like out of clay.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: They're making the m the the body and they're creating that.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and then they do the process of putting whatever on there to create the negative and then recreate the positive.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so I would imagine that was the uh when you go to visit I assume they're they're not just standing in a room, but they've probably have like a mock-up of where they live or like the desk.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Like like you and I, Alex, would be in front of a microphone like this.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'd have dog hair all over my shirt, you'd have your longhorns in the background.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but we wouldn't be moving.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's the difference.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: You'd be I like this idea.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: It really is.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: If we could just get Liquid Death to sponsor us and then do this, we'd be so set.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: Golden.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that was amazing.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: That was uh you you you exceeded my expectations.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_03: I had high expectations, but um Madame Trousseau never would have thought of her, but I know who she is.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wait, is it Trousseau or Tusseau?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_03: Did I say Trudeau?
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: She was grandfather to the Canadian Prime Minister.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, grandmother.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: Madame Tussaud.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: But instead of sewing, she was waxing.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_02: She was waxing poetically.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: Madame Tuswax.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Al, thank you for being a longtime fan, and I hope this completes our contract of you no longer stalking us.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um if if we're we're happy to do this once a year or so, if you'll just keep your distance.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I you know, we'll see.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: We'll see.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, no guarantees, no promises.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you're gonna miss me when I'm gone.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna miss me when I'm in DNC.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: But we're gonna we're gonna have a wax figure.
• 39:16
  unknown: Oh, damn it.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, all right.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thanks for having me.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's great to see you guys.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, y'all, y'all are much smaller in uh in person, and I just uh and more handsome.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean hot too.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: So all right.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for tuning in, everybody.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: In a small bridroom, hands in the heat and bloom of wax.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: She learned each fragile feature, every freckle, every crack, shadows on the plaster, candles tremble as she moved, breathing life and silence, and faces pale and cold.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Let us start in the eyes of the still taking his story.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Golden head, in the between the flashes in the echo after crowds have gone.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: Your quiet army waits for morning face by face.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_00: You can't do it.