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I Choose … To “Just Try It” with Phil Rosenthal · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garland. Hi, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
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  Speaker 1: the choices we make, and you know what, three times
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  Speaker 1: a day, sometimes more, we make choices about what food
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  Speaker 1: we are going to put in our mouths or to
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  Speaker 1: feed our families. My hilarious guest has made a career
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  Speaker 1: of sharing his favorites and encouraging us all to just
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  Speaker 1: try it. Phil Rosenthal, the creative mind behind the hit
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  Speaker 1: sitcom Everybody Loves Raymond, spent years searching for his next
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  Speaker 1: great scripted TV idea until he decided to pivot. The
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  Speaker 1: result is Somebody Feed Phil, one of Netflix's longest running hits,
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  Speaker 1: serving up food, travel, and connection. Beloved by fans around
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  Speaker 1: the globe. It's now dishing out it's eighth season. He's
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  Speaker 1: also writing books, opening a diner in Los Angeles, and
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  Speaker 1: doing all he can to bring people together through food.
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  Speaker 1: What a treat to talk to Phil Rosenthal. Hi there, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So your work has led to so many Emmy nominations
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  Speaker 1: and awards, and that doesn't seem to be stopping anytime
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  Speaker 1: soon because you have built this whole new era in
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  Speaker 1: your career, which I am just so in awe of
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  Speaker 1: I love this. It's like a pivot for you, and
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  Speaker 1: it revolves around food, travel and connection. And I'm just
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  Speaker 1: curious what made you choose to take this path because
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  Speaker 1: it seems like just so I don't know, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like a brave new world for you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're in the business. You know that when you
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  Speaker 2: switch lanes. M hmm. Not everyone's receptives to that because
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  Speaker 2: they don't know you can do anything but what they've
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  Speaker 2: seen you do. I understand it, yes, But I also
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  Speaker 2: think that the people were in charge of making the
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  Speaker 2: decisions about the creative people. They should trust the creative
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  Speaker 2: people a little bit, you think, yeah, But after Raymond
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  Speaker 2: was over, the business had changed greatly. They didn't want
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  Speaker 2: those types of shows anymore. So I kept striking out
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  Speaker 2: because I can only write with the sensibility that I have,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody wanted friends at that time. They wanted hipp
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  Speaker 2: and Edgy, and they kept telling me just we like you,
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  Speaker 2: but just be more hip and Edgy. I said, well
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  Speaker 2: you got the right guy, I mister hipp and Edgi.
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  Speaker 2: And so I just kept beating my head against the
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  Speaker 2: wall trying to get another show on I thought that
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  Speaker 2: was my purpose in life, was to do that. And
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  Speaker 2: after a while I got very discouraged and I put
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  Speaker 2: my head down and I thought, what if you could
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  Speaker 2: do whatever you want. Money's not the issue, right It
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  Speaker 2: never was for me, even before Raymond, I didn't care
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  Speaker 2: much about it. As soon as I could feed myself.
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  Speaker 2: I never did anything for money. And then I thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: I have this idea for this food and travel show.
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  Speaker 2: And they looked at me like I was crazy, especially
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  Speaker 2: because I said I think I can host this thing,
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  Speaker 2: and they said you you're behind the camera, and I said,
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  Speaker 2: I know, but I think I can do this, and
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  Speaker 2: and it took me, Jenny, ten years to get the
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  Speaker 2: show after the success of Raymond.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so discouraged right now because if it takes
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  Speaker 1: you ten years to get a show going, well, different way.
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  Speaker 2: You know. If you suddenly said you know what I
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  Speaker 2: want to do is I want to I want to
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  Speaker 2: be a scuba diver on the on the World Scuba Team,
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  Speaker 2: they would say, what, right, we know you as this,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know you as that, So you have to
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  Speaker 2: convince the people. But I did sell the show finally
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  Speaker 2: to PBS was the first stop that took the show,
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  Speaker 2: and I sold it with one line. This is the line,
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  Speaker 2: I'm exactly like Anthony Bourdain if he was afraid of everything.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's good, and they bought it. They bought six
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  Speaker 2: and that show was called I'll Have What Phil's Having
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  Speaker 2: And you can see those first episodes there on YouTube net.
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  Speaker 2: And then they couldn't afford to do the show anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And then thank god, this new startup, little startup called
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  Speaker 2: netflicks came along and they liked the show, and so
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  Speaker 2: we changed the name and that somebody feed Phil And
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  Speaker 2: we are in our eighth season where the longest running
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  Speaker 2: unscripted original series in their history.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, well, congratulations, thanks. That must feel so good. It
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  Speaker 1: feels like, in a way, this path does Journey sort
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  Speaker 1: of chose you, even though you worked really hard at it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this proof, I don't want you to choke
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  Speaker 2: on that ten thing because when you see the Oscars,
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  Speaker 2: everybody wins. The thing goes ten years it took to
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  Speaker 2: make this movie, right, that just won the It's always.
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  Speaker 2: But the lesson is, if you make something a priority
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  Speaker 2: in your life, and it really is a priority in
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  Speaker 2: your life, you won't stop until you do it. If
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  Speaker 2: you stop, that means I guess it wasn't that priority.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. It's just that's persistence and tenacity, all
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  Speaker 1: the things.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and you know you have to Does it mean
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  Speaker 2: I was happy, go lucky all the time, knowing that
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  Speaker 2: it would eventually work out. No, I was completely miserable
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  Speaker 2: many moments. I still get depressed and angry. All you
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  Speaker 2: have to do is watch the news. But I just am. I.
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  Speaker 2: I have optimism, and I think that things will work out.
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  Speaker 2: I believe in people. I believe that most people in
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  Speaker 2: the world are nice. And I feel very, very grateful
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  Speaker 2: for everything else that's happened in my life, especially my
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  Speaker 2: family and my friends.
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  Speaker 1: That just comes through so loud and clear. Just looking
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  Speaker 1: at your face and watching your shows, watching all your work.
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  Speaker 1: But that is just at the forefront. Thanks, And it's
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  Speaker 1: that gratitude. I feel like once you tap into that,
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  Speaker 1: just gratitude for everything that you have. Yes, everything works out.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you wake up in the morning and you
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  Speaker 2: should be grateful you woke up right at this age.
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  Speaker 2: Step one, Yeah, two, I look, Oh, there's my wife
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  Speaker 2: of thirty five years. Wow, there's my dog at the
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  Speaker 2: foot of the bed. There my kids, live. They're grown
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  Speaker 2: now they live. One lives over here one minute this way,
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  Speaker 2: one lives five minutes that way. And they're married. They're
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  Speaker 2: getting married. And I'm the luckiest guy in the world.
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  Speaker 2: And look what I get to do.
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  Speaker 1: Look what you get to do?
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  Speaker 2: Oh love? But if you say was worth ten years
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  Speaker 2: of your life to get it? Yes, looking at it
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  Speaker 2: talking to Jenny.
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  Speaker 1: It was a flash now right, Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's where you end up.
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  Speaker 1: It's where you Why do you think connecting and community
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  Speaker 1: are so important?
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  Speaker 2: Why are we here? All we do is as human
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  Speaker 2: beings on the planets, tried to connect with other human beings.
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  Speaker 2: That's all we do in every way. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise why, I mean, what else is there? So for me,
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  Speaker 2: food happens to be the great connector. For me, the
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  Speaker 2: food is the great connector are you saying food is
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  Speaker 2: the great connector? And then laughs are the cement? So
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  Speaker 2: if you and I we don't know each other, but
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  Speaker 2: we let's go have lunch right So right away the
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  Speaker 2: food comes, we're already happy. We're gonna eat, so we
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  Speaker 2: all know how to do. I don't care if you're
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  Speaker 2: living Swahili, you gotta eat here. Comes food. This might
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  Speaker 2: be the best part of your day. It might be
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  Speaker 2: you know, in addition to we have to live. We
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  Speaker 2: like it. So if the food comes in so and
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  Speaker 2: let's say it's delicious, ohh, now we're really happy. And
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  Speaker 2: if we share a smile or a laugh, now we're
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  Speaker 2: friends and we'll eat again.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you have a rule about food, right, you say,
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  Speaker 1: just try it? Yes, that is I mean, that's a
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  Speaker 1: great life philosophy, not even just about food.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd with my daughter.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. It's such a valuable lesson that you even
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  Speaker 1: wrote a book about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well it just try it, of course, is the what's
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  Speaker 2: the underlying thing of just try it? Have an open mind?
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  Speaker 2: So how many grown ups do we know that that
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  Speaker 2: won't consider new ideas, that all stuck in their same
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  Speaker 2: ideas and won't listen. So just try It applies to
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  Speaker 2: all of us, doesn't it. And I'm guilty of it
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  Speaker 2: of course. Yeah. Sometimes how we were brought up, Why
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  Speaker 2: would I do something different? I've done it. Look, I'm
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  Speaker 2: still alive. I did it this way my whole lifet
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  Speaker 2: this about this, and I'm fine. I don't need to
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  Speaker 2: change at all. But if what if we just tried
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  Speaker 2: a new idea. Yes, food can open up a whole
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  Speaker 2: new world. I always say, if you can open a mouth,
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  Speaker 2: you can open a mind.
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  Speaker 1: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: Nice. You're literally taking in the culture of other people
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  Speaker 2: already unusual to you. Oh maybe, well, maybe Japanese food
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  Speaker 2: is not so bad. Maybe Japanese people are not so bad.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe Japan is not so bad. Maybe the way they
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  Speaker 2: do things I could learn something from.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it really opens up the world. There's you know,
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  Speaker 1: that saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel about that?
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  Speaker 2: I think you can.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I thought you brought that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a defeatist attitude. You can't, right, what if you can? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Or the one you know? This is just how I am.
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  Speaker 1: This is me, take it or leave it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, be that way you will always then be
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  Speaker 2: that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Are you completely happy? I mean deep down? You know
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  Speaker 2: stubborn guys they go, I'm happy the way I got.
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  Speaker 2: You don't seem happy. I think you could be happier. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: not for me, I don't care, you know, Goodbye. I
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  Speaker 2: go on to my next person that I like. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just saying for you, that's why travel is so great,
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  Speaker 2: because yeah, you can't help but have your mind blown.
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  Speaker 2: It's the most mind expanding thing we can do in life,
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  Speaker 2: is to see something else. That's why I do the show.
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  Speaker 2: It's why I think. I think the world would be
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  Speaker 2: better if we all could experience a tiny bit of
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  Speaker 2: someone else's experience.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And people at home are wishing they could go
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  Speaker 1: on these travels, but sometimes it's just not feasible. So
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  Speaker 1: you're taking them. You're taking them even though they're in
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  Speaker 1: their living rooms, and that's so meaningful.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks, that's very important. However, I try to also say,
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  Speaker 2: I understand not everybody can afford to go overseas, but
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  Speaker 2: you can travel in your own town. What do I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Let's say we were stuck in COVID. We're stuck at home.
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  Speaker 2: We can't go out at all. We got to if
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  Speaker 2: we want anything, we got to order it in right,
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  Speaker 2: So what if we ordered from a restaurant that we
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  Speaker 2: never tried before. Now, are you're traveling the Peruvian place from? Then?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Peruvian. Let's look on the phone.
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  Speaker 2: This is all I ask of people. Look on the phone,
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  Speaker 2: Just look at the menu. See if there's anything there
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  Speaker 2: you could possibly like. But what if I don't like it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so what if you don't like it? You're not five,
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  Speaker 2: You'll get over it. But what if you do? That's everything?
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  Speaker 2: So you look, they have chicken and rice. I like
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  Speaker 2: chicken and yes, so you order the chicken rice chicken
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  Speaker 2: rice I ever had. This is fantastic. Now COVID is over. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we should go to that place. We go to the place,
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  Speaker 2: We see that the decorations, we try different things, We
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  Speaker 2: meet the owner. He's fantastic. Next thing, you know, you're
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  Speaker 2: not your peacher.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, fast track you. You're so passionate. What
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  Speaker 1: is the most meaningful part of your work?
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  Speaker 2: The connection to people?
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm just using food and my stupid sense of
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  Speaker 2: humor to get you the real message, to get you
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  Speaker 2: that that people are worth knowing, no matter where they're from. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I picked maybe a stupid time to be
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  Speaker 2: on because I'm very pro other I'm very pro immigrant,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very pro all our differences. Somebody said America's diversity
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  Speaker 2: is our super power.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine just looking out at people around you
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  Speaker 1: and everyone looking exactly the same as you, or dressing
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  Speaker 1: the same as you having no diversity.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your boring world not for you know, forget, forget
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  Speaker 2: everyone has a right to live, forget that. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to live in a world where it's all me
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  Speaker 2: And yeah it looks like me.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be so bored.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, and that that extends on the most
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  Speaker 2: basic level. Yeah, the food choices we have. One of
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  Speaker 2: the great things is like I go to Thailand, right,
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  Speaker 2: and I have something I never had before, kowsoy. You
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  Speaker 2: know what kowsoi is?
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  Speaker 1: No, what would you call it? Kowsoi?
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  Speaker 2: How soy? Okay h ao o ikowsoy? And you find
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  Speaker 2: it Thai restaurants. I didn't know that, but I went
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  Speaker 2: to Thailand. I went to a shack in chang My, Thailand,
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  Speaker 2: and what comes coconut curry broth and then fresh hand
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  Speaker 2: pulled noodles at the bottom like the best pasta you
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  Speaker 2: ever had. And then whatever pro you like. It can
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  Speaker 2: be chicken or beef, pork or tofu if you want that,
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  Speaker 2: you have anything shrimp fish, then chilis and pickled mustard
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  Speaker 2: greens and shallats and so it ticks all the boxes. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: and then crispy fried noodles on top.
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  Speaker 1: Crispy that you got me with the crispy.
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  Speaker 2: All the textures and all the flavors right lime over
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing. My mouth's warming things.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're making me hungry.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So this in Chang Mai, Thailand, this bowl of
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  Speaker 2: the most delicious thing I've ever had a dollar which
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  Speaker 2: is my second favorite price. And then what did I
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  Speaker 2: do when I came home? Well, we have a tie
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  Speaker 2: town in la We have Thai restaurants all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have cow so of course I never knew
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  Speaker 2: to look, I would never know. But now see, I'm
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  Speaker 2: turning you onto it. And whoever's listening next time, order
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  Speaker 2: cowsy at the Thai rest right and tell me you're
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  Speaker 2: not happy?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, challenge accepted, I will do.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious also in your life, besides with eating, where
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  Speaker 1: do you push yourself to just try it even when
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  Speaker 1: it's scary?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I have a brother for that, right. So
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  Speaker 2: my brother is the executive producer of the show, and
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  Speaker 2: he and I, you know, made the show together, and
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  Speaker 2: I need him to push me into let's say, going
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  Speaker 2: into the coldest water on the earth in Iceland, a
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  Speaker 2: in a wet suit. I don't want to go in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he reminds you, just try it.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, what do you have a show for if you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to do stuff? I'm like, yeah, but let's
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  Speaker 2: say we don't have to be crazy. And so I
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  Speaker 2: do it, and I'm always happy that I did it,
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  Speaker 2: even though I fight again, I don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I really am not Anthony Bourdain right right, it's a
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  Speaker 2: superhero and adventurer. I'm not that guy. And I do it,
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  Speaker 2: and even if I don't enjoy it, I'm happy I
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  Speaker 2: did it. Why because take that off the things of
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  Speaker 2: not to be afraid of anymore doesn't mean I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do it. But I'm not afraid if I hadn't
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  Speaker 2: to do it or you know, gun to my head. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I've done it. Our biggest fear is the unknown.
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  Speaker 1: Until you do it, it is and then it's yep.
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  Speaker 2: You got to get over that hump of just try
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  Speaker 2: it and now you're better for it.
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  Speaker 1: I did a polar plunge once in Alaska and did
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  Speaker 1: not want to do it. Still don't want to do it,
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  Speaker 1: don't want to do it again.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you something? But you did it and
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  Speaker 2: you're happy you did it. That's a life experience that
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  Speaker 2: you know. You can say I did that, and you
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  Speaker 2: know what that's like, and so many people don't. And
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you something else. I come home from the
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  Speaker 2: experience and I swear this is true. However many years ago.
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  Speaker 2: That was every day since then, no matter where I
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  Speaker 2: am in the world, I take a shower in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: and the last thirty seconds I put it on cold. Hm.
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  Speaker 2: Why it takes me right back to that? I know
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  Speaker 2: there's health properties to this. Right. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: anyone listening, you forget your all your troubles. That's true, truly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't think about anything else.
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  Speaker 2: I built up from ten seconds just on my head, right,
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  Speaker 2: Your head can actually take it more than the rest, right,
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  Speaker 2: So I try to. I still focus on my head,
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  Speaker 2: but I built up to thirty seconds. Still gets on you.
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  Speaker 2: But I can do it. And I not only that,
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  Speaker 2: I feel incomplete if I don't do Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love that a challenge every morning. Yeah, yeah, just
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  Speaker 1: to take you back.
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  Speaker 2: It's better than coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Now you're up, you're awake, going back to your book.
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  Speaker 1: Just try it. How was it working with your daughter
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  Speaker 1: like that?
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  Speaker 2: It's the greatest thing ever. She calls me. She goes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you should do a kid's book. Kids like
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  Speaker 2: you and you love kids. You should do it. I said,
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  Speaker 2: good idea. I'll do it if you do with me.
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  Speaker 2: So's She was twenty five at the time, and I
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  Speaker 2: had a ball doing it. And guess what we're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Three more Phil and Lil series.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent, Good for you.
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  Speaker 2: The next one comes out in the spring and it's
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  Speaker 2: called just Try It Someplace New. I take it to
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  Speaker 2: Grandma's for the first time. She's afraid to sleep over
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  Speaker 2: someplace new because all she knows is her bed in
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: her room. She's all the you know, it's just like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: trying new foods. What if I hate it? What if
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I hate it? What if I don't like it? That's
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: everything in life. What if I don't like it, that's
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: so limonade. It keeps us down, our own heads, keep
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: us down.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: What if I don't like it? Yeah, guess what. That's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: what little kids said, You're supposed to grow out of that.
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  Speaker 1: It's true. I think I need to remember that sometimes
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: when I'm just like I dig deep and I dig down,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like I don't want to I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to eat that whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: Now, know what else, Jenny, Or taste buds literally change
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  Speaker 2: as we get older. Literally every every I forget what
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the stat is, either every few years or every few months,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: even all new taste buds, and some of them change,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and you're you're reacting to a memory of beats now
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  Speaker 2: when you eat them. Wait a minute, they're not so bad.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, They're not so bad because this is now different.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Even my taste buds are evolving. That makes me happy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I love how you in even the food world, you
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: share and talk a lot about feelings. From your perspective,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: How are how we eat and how we live connected
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  Speaker 1: to feelings?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's all connected. So I give
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  Speaker 2: an example. Let's say we're in Venice and where we're
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: in love, we're going to get married, and and we're
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: just it's the prime of life. You're with this person
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: you can you love, and you are sitting on the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: canal and you're having a beautiful meal and oh look
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: at Venice. The boats are going by, and the sunset
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: is here, and you've never been happier. And the wine
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is the most delicious wine either of us have ever had.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: This wine is. So you know what, Let's buy a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: case of this wine. Let's buy a case. It will
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: have it forever. It will always be our special wine
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: from Venice, memory of this place, Okay, because it's the
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: best wine we ever had. Go home a year later.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: It's our anniverse. Let's open a bottle of that wine
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: from Venice. We open the wine, we decant it, we
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: pour it, we swirl it. Here's to you. I love you,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I love you. Taste how is it?
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's all right, it's not what I remember.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Because why we were in love on the canal in Venice,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and the scents and the sights and the sounds and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the feelings literally affected the way it tasted. Wow, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I used this example because we all know
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: what that feels like. Everything's connected, the feeling, the sight,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the sound, smells, the call evocative. A smell is you
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: can smell it a scent and be transported like this
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: to a feeling.
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  Speaker 1: A feeling, Right, yeah, I guess you can't. You can't
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: really have one without the other. It seems like the.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Greatest example ever in a movie is Ratitude. So the
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: critic you saw the movie, right, Yes, a critic at
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the end, he's going to try the ratitude. Now the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: whole movie's on the line. Here we go. He tries
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the ratitude. What happens He zooms back to childhood m
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: where his mom made him ratitude, not this ratitude, but
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: ratitude and that, oh, Michael made him cry and remember
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: his mom and remember that feeling.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what It's so great when you eat something
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and it takes you back to something lost memory or.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, and then and the reason that's so special is
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: because it made you feel something that maybe you haven't
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: felt a long time. Yeah, I had a crazy experience.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the episode we did
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in Dubai, but I had a lunch with a Palestinian
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: woman and the world has told me. You know, you're
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: not supposed to be friends with Palestinian woman. Palestinian woman
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: is not supposed to be friends with someone like me.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: We got along so great. I love this lady. She
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: made me food from her own hand. Her daughter's next
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to me. She goes, you're gonna eat this, You're gonna
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: feel something. I said, listen, I'd like to feel that
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: it tastes good. That's good enough for me. But here
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: it is, and she's telling me your story to she
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: gives me this thing and I put it in my
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: mouth and I got emotional. Why it wasn't like zooming
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: back to my mom's kitchen because she never made anything
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that tasted this good. This was special. This was like
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: a special effect in a movie. This was like a UFO.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. I can't even explain
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: it to you. But sometimes this happens if you're lucky.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And do you know that this lady and I all
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: through all the troubles in the Middle East, we ride
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: each other, We dm each other sence, send love and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: hope and peace to each other because we had this
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: special connection.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had that connection.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, So it is all about feeling.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. I read that you loved. When
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the La Times food critic delite Jonathan Gold said that
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: he was trying to make all of us a little
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: less afraid of our neighbors, that's right, just that, I mean.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: You can't you're gonna hate the guy that made you
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: something delicious. You're gonna hate that guy. No, you're gonna
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: love that guy. And you're seeing a human being for
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: what they have to offer, which is by the way
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: almost everybody. Everybody's got something to offer, I feel, and
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I love cooks. First of all, I can offer that
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: I'm no cook, but I think chefs like me because
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That you appreciate them them. Yeah, yeah, I know when
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: someone cooks you something, Yes, when they make you something
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: from scratch, there's just so much love in it, just
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: in it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: That's right. I swear that's what I tasted in that
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Palestinian woman's food.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: I can't even describe it. Okay, how do you describe?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: There's love in it. It's just you know it when
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: you have it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I like salads, right, I have my ex in laws,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: my nony of my daughters. Yes, she makes a salad
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: that she grows the lettuce in her backyard and she
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: makes this salad. It's just a plain salad, but it
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: tastes so much better than any other salad I've ever had.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Anyone that makes you a salad or a sandwich, it's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: always better than anything you could make. And one of
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the things about that I find is if you make it,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you know everything that's in it. There's no surprise. It
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: might be one reason I don't cook is because I
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: love the surprise. It's like, I'm a fan of magic,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and if I know how the trick is done, it's
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: not magic anymore.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, And there's just something about having someone make
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: something for you. I don't know. I love it. I
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: love it so much.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Why the name of the show is what it is?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: It also denotes a character that can't take care of himself,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: which is pretty trick.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: You need somebody to cook for you or I'll die.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Oh you'll die. Oh my god, Phil, this is so fun.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going, okay. In part two of this episode,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about the best places in the world to
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: eat vegan f Phil's newest adventure, and of course, his
• 26:03
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