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Landin Vallejos | The Christian Reeve Podcast | #116 | · The Christian Reeve Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of the Christian.
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  We podcast. Today's guest is a professional
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  podcaster and YouTuber hailing all the way from Utah in the
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  United States. His name is Landon vallejos.
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  I am considered either either works that it, okay?
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  Valley, a horse. So there's the Lejos or there's
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  Vios there's a few different ways.
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  How to use, you could how to use it when I'm at work.
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  I say Vios because I hate professional.
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  But when I'm just with casual and like vallejos, I don't know,
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  depends on my mood. Yeah, I just I don't know.
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  We were just saying off camera just then that there's like a
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  lot of different names you go by and I just want to talk about
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  this, you got this nickname Lundy knee linguine, which is.
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  What's the deal with this name? What does this come from?
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  This name came from my friend one day.
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  He's like, yo, I got this nickname for you, and it's Lindy
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  me linguine, and I'm like, that is gold.
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  And I like this so much, I eventually I was like, okay,
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  let's make a YouTube for it. Let's, let's put on my usernames
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  on video games for it. And yeah.
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  So that's all really was. My friend was just like, Nene
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  Linguini. And I'm like, yes you are on
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  something right there because one of the things that relate to
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  that is you do a podcast called Linguini's do what he says about
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  this show. What's the deal behind this
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  podcast? So the deal behind this podcast
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  thing we need to do and origin, dates are for the name.
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  Landy me linguine, as you can kinda tell.
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  When I started, there's different phases to the podcast.
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  Right now. I'm in I'm in a phase with the
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  right now, but at the beginning, when I started, it was as
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  bottling up my emotions. So I'm like, hey let's see, this
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  would be a good way for me to practice getting my fillings
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  out. And it would, I mean, I listen
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  to a bunch of podcasts at the time so it was just like, no two
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  and two together started a podcast.
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  And at first, it was just by myself.
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  I didn't think I could get any guest on at the time and and
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  yeah, so I usually would just talk about whatever.
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  And it's also a big metaphor. So Linguini's.
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  Do you know he can make bread pizza?
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  What else can make it? Do a bunch of other stuff.
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  Same thing with topics. I can really talk about anything
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  so it's just a big mud it for just why I chose it and Yeah.
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  So that's that's where the name kind of came from from there,
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  though. One of my friends, I've actually
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  never met him in real life online friends.
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  He's like, yo, I want to be on the podcast and I'm like,
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  alright let's do it. And from there, I that kind of
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  built me up and I'm like, oh, I can get guests, not that hard,
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  you just ask them. And that's when I started
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  getting more guests on and all this fun stuff and soon I'll be
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  reaching having 20 separate guests.
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  So I've had multiple people and different times but 20 separate
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  people is guess which will be a cool compliment.
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  Anyway, so then the next phase of my podcast became a
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  productivity podcast because I feel like I could talk about
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  that for quite a long time. I do these 30-day challenges, it
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  consists of just whatever. Sometimes like, I've done twice,
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  I've done it where I put my computer screen and my phone
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  screen in black and white very miserable to do but it was very
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  interesting. Okay.
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  Sorry we I was very interesting. I don't know not doing Again,
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  now that I've done it twice, but basically a, for a month, I put
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  those in black and white. I've done, social media detox,
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  let's back up. What did you learn from doing?
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  So, when you say black and white as in like a filter or something
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  like what, what exactly are you talking about that?
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  So each device is different right?
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  But okay and windows, I forgot where it's in but there's a
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  setting. You can make it makes everything
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  in Black and White. So if you're watching a YouTube
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  video or if you're editing a video, Wow.
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  Okay. Yeah. and to be honest, it at
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  the first when you first start doing it kind of increases your
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  productivity, but by the end, You just get used to it.
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  It's like a normal computer except it's just, you'd read it
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  because it's so it's so stale. There's not nothing interesting
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  about it. When I did finish the challenge,
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  I learned how much I love the color blue just from.
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  I don't know how to explain it but blue feels different after
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  you have that black and white for that period of time.
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  Okay, so that one I don't I don't know how much I actually
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  learned. I learned that it doesn't make
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  you more productive. Live with it.
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  I don't know, it made me want to procrastinate using my device
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  because the black and white was so I didn't enjoy it which made
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  me not want to do the work, okay?
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  So that was just kind of a trial experiment and it's it was just
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  fun to do, you know? So you mentioned before that you
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  doing these phases. So I guess now the podcast so it
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  started with you kind of just talking about certain thoughts
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  and feelings on your mind and stuff.
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  So I suppose kind of like a almost like a Diary of sorts it
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  away. And now you're moving through
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  shifts of phases, which is pretty interesting.
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  So is this like a a testing phase?
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  Then you're trying to kind of test all aspects of your life
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  and try to learn different things from those that kind of
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  all, we're going for kind of the one thing.
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  So, before I did this podcast, I let's see.
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  I think it was a year before I did this podcast.
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  I had a stop motion. Animation, which for those that,
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  don't know. You take a picture, you move the
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  subject to tiny bit. You take a picture, you put it
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  all together and you have animation, you made Legos move.
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  So I used to have sorry. This is this is one busy guy
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  guys. Yeah.
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  Webcam on my desktop. So I have to use my laptop and I
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  don't use it as much, but I also lost my train of thought.
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  No, so it's not a testing phase just cuz I'm sorry.
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  So I had an animation channel, right?
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  I got burnout I realized I didn't enjoy it as much as I
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  used to and the when I officially said like I'm not
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  doing this channel anymore I was like I don't want this to ever I
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  don't want to ever create content again and have it become
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  like a chore. It's one reason I won't go into
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  the video industry as a profession is because I would
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  get that. Eight of drought doing those
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  type of things for clients and what killed your interest like
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  well why did you suddenly know? Enjoy it.
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  So I was doing these weekly animations, there about probably
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  10 seconds long at the time. I mean, yeah, they were kind of
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  a lot of work. They weren't they weren't that
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  fulfilling since they're only 10 seconds is good for the
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  algorithm because it was a consistent upload, but they
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  weren't that good of uploads. Then after that me and my friend
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  we are working. Project called battle for
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  brickma, he did most of the script editing because that's
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  not something I'm huge hugely fond of doing.
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  I mean, it's a very important aspect, but I'm not.
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  I'm like, you can do that part. I'll do the animating and
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  editing either. I, we just ended up putting on
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  too much work, and at first there is only just me and him is
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  the voice actors. And we decided that hey, this is
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  I will, I decided, he got his, he's a good voice actor.
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  He's got that deep voice and He's a military, you know.
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  So he has a great voice actor and I was like, hey, we need
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  more variety. So I'm going to try and go get
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  more voice actors and I did go and get a few more I redid my
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  lines. Because at the time I was in, I
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  don't know when I did the recording thing was 2018.
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  My voice was higher pitched and it was kind of.
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  Yeah. So I decided I'm like, okay,
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  let's redo the voices and then we'll just work our way into it
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  and I finished the prologue. So I was going to be a prologue
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  plus six episodes and I finished the prologue and it was it
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  turned out fantastic. I'm not going to lie.
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  That's one of my most proud projects but I would go to
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  school and I just On that and it just burnt me out and I lost the
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  passion for it and animating. It just takes so much time.
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  Do you you can't do an animation quick.
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  You think you'll ever get into it in a different way in the
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  future, you know, maybe it's just a mead particular, medium
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  is not interesting to you anymore, but you might take
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  your, I mean, you did mention before you're not interested in
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  going to the video industry. But I mean, how many different
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  styles have you tried? You know?
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  Yeah, I know just blender that's something or because I after I
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  burn out from the I actually did start trying more digital
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  animation because I like being in an office setting Yeah.
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  I mean this doesn't look like an office but it is in I like that
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  space. I work in an office environment
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  and I was like maybe that's what it is because I was doing to
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  stop motions. I had to you know, my back would
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  be hunched over and hmm. You know it's just kind of
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  uncomfortable and I was like maybe that's what it is.
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  It's just not in a comfortable aspect and at the time I had
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  these, these tiny tables that my mom, she used to own a
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  preschool. There were some old tables from
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  there and Oh my gosh, they're horrible.
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  And then there's set design. There was just so much that went
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  into it. So yes, I can see myself in the
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  future potentially doing it in the end just in another fashion.
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  I guess. Because it's not like I still
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  watch animations more than I do. Live action movies like just
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  last night. I finished watching.
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  What? If so that the last two episodes
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  actually made We really like to show up until that point.
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  I was like, I don't know. And then those last two episodes
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  and like so this is pretty good. This is kind of crazy.
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  It's interesting. All comes together, wasn't it?
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  Yeah, I wasn't expecting that either like oh hey, but yeah so
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  I really do appreciate animations and let's see.
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  There's some of my favorites would include Wally into the
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  spider-verse. Mmm.
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  That one is tremendous or where I was.
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  I've watched it so many times. What else?
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  I don't know. I just watch a lot of animations
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  because I have, I have that passion for it and I'm like, oh,
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  this is a lot of work. I really don't think I'll be
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  going into like animation as a career, but I do think I'll
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  eventually force myself. I'll get bored.
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  And I'll force myself to kind of learn more digital animation.
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  And really, I think 3D rendering is where I set up roadblock cuz
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  It's just once I learned the program, I'll get into it
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  blender. You know, all these 3D things
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  you can do and whatever it is but up until that point, I have
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  to actually force myself to learn it and that's been hard to
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  find the energy. Look at that moment.
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  Like at the skin, th are totally different things.
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  I just want to talk a little bit more about the podcast before we
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  get onto your kind of career and stuff.
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  What you're looking into doing so, What would you say?
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  You've sort of learned for podcasting so far.
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  I mean, how long have you been doing it now?
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  So January 2020 to will be two years under two years, which is
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  cool. So nice.
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  Yeah, and I have learned honestly.
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  I've learned a lot. It's hard to just pinpoint.
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  Exactly. First of all, I learned that
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  because I'm pretty young. I was in high school when I
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  started it. And I was really insecure and I
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  have a lot of confidence at that time.
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  And once I got that first guest, I'm like, oh, I can do this
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  people like, because I used to think, like, nobody cares for me
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  and I'm almost those negative thoughts and just by having
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  Gaston's, like, oh, people are really cool like that.
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  Just having a discussion is a pretty cool thing.
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  And yeah, so there's that and just it's kept me consistent
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  with one thing because I do like to make videos.
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  But sometimes I Like to do that now.
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  So then I'd have months where I just didn't do anything and this
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  would be the one thing I did because at first, it was just a
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  once a month upload schedule. And yeah, the other things I've
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  learned I should have. I don't know.
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  I've just I've learned how to listen more, you know, because I
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  used to be like, you know, and I was like, yeah.
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  Like so what I always say I used to and I listen to someone I'd
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  be like. Yeah.
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  Yeah yeah you know I know what you mean when you scrutinize
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  especially with low-cost and you'll see you have to sit and
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  edit and go back through everything that you've done and
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  then you just pick up on all these little things that you do
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  in your like oh ah, oh ah I hate that.
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  I can't be doing that anymore, you know?
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  Yeah, it's so real. It's like oh my goodness and
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  then you do it again and you're like yeah you're right that
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  something there with all conversational aspect.
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  Like I mean I didn't even notice this until probably 6 months in
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  but it I think is so important to be a good listener as a
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  podcaster for obvious reasons but like I can't count how many
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  podcasters I've come across, especially ones that he shows
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  I've been invited to appear on and It's like, they just like
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  interrupt you. You know, like they don't know.
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  I've I've asked you a question. I'm going to sit and listen and
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  I'll only really interject if I want to ask you a follow-up or
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  if maybe if I want to steer the conversation a different way.
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  But still then I was I still want you to finish the point
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  because a that's just polite. It's rude to interrupt and be I
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  don't know, it kind of just shows like you're not
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  interested, you know, engaged or whatever.
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  And you know it's just sucks I think.
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  And also I think I used to think a lot about what the podcast
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  actually sounds like, when you're listening to it, you
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  know, like what's what's the kind of the The flow of the
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  podcast if you know what I mean. So it's, I don't know.
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  Listening is so key in that and also just bring it back to the
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  point, you know, in general conversation I can't have any
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  because I don't I prefer to listen and not talk to be honest
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  in every situation because you learn, you know, you just
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  repeating information when you're talking.
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  Yeah. And I don't especially like the
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  sound of my own I suggest, you know, whatever but I don't know,
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  I think it's with the podcast. You kind of really are forced to
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  exercise both sides. And you get some guests that are
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  more talkative and you just have to steal that and other times,
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  you've got to be the source of the conversation and I don't
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  know, it's very to I don't know about how you feel, but I get
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  very like tired afterwards. If it's a particularly intense
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  discussion, or if I've had to Think quite intensely.
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  I mean I don't know every episode is different but like
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  when I'm actually doing it, I'm thinking about several things at
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  once and It's Tricky, it's not easy.
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  It is I always appreciate it. When the podcaster that I'm
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  guessing is one of those people that can just talk for just the
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  whole episode. Essentially I'm like thank you
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  and sometimes that you don't have to talk basically.
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  Yeah. For some reason though it up.
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  It's with the bad times. I've killed people because I do
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  live streams as well away from this and he was surprised to
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  learn that. I'm a quiet guy, real life and
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  it's like, yeah, but you have to understand this is a message to
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  everyone that doesn't understand this.
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  The difference is you're talking to a camera or you're talking in
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  medium such as this and it's there's like less pressure, you
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  know, like will do this podcast for an hour, maybe two,
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  whatever. And then there's no pressure to
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  have to talk past that point, you know, whereas if you're in a
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  room with someone, it's like this are is sitting on you and
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  you just feel like I have to say something.
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  But do I have to say something? Because we could be quiet, but
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  then I don't know. Because I can kind of fill their
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  mood sort of, but then, maybe I'm just overthinking and it's
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  just AA, and that's what it's like to be another.
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  Then you end up there, somehow the weather's in that silence.
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  I mean, I get older, I think for me I've kind of I'm 18 10 years
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  older than you and I can safely say that the major difference I
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  think is that you do learn that. It's okay to be in a quiet
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  situation. Like it's okay for that to be
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  silenced at small talk is, it's the devil's work, but at the
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  same time, you can't, you can't anticipate how other people are
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  going to react. That's the thing, some people,
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  particularly in the UK, I have to say it's a big thing here in
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  the UK. People just can't be in the
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  silence. I think something's wrong, like,
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  I remember in my early 20s, I remember coming back from
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  University, like maybe the beginning of the first year or
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  second year Year. And I'd become a lot more quiet
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  because I just began to change. I just, you know, not like I was
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  excessively extrovert but I guess my parents were used to me
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  being more extroverted outgoing. But as I've gotten older, I've
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  just become because I'm like a flip-flop on the vert basically.
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  Yeah. Since I got, I'm able to do the
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  extrovert things, but I prefer to be introverted.
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  And as I've gotten older, I think I've realized like yeah
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  actually. conserve your energy, be quiet, save it for when it
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  really matters and because that's the thing with
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  conversations, I mean, Just because you talk doesn't mean
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  that people are listening and the worst thing is, obviously
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  when not someone's not listening, you know, especially
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  when you're talking about, something you're passionate
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  about, it's like AA dagger in the heart, but it's like, I
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  don't know. In those small moments when I do
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  open up, its going back to the story like with my parents.
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  I just changed at that point. I just begun to just be quieter
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  and, you know, eat in silence and they genuinely thought
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  something was wrong with. Like, this is everything, okay?
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  Like, what's the problem? Why don't you talk?
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  Him. It's like because I don't need
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  to. There's nothing to say I am
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  eating my food. Let me eat my food in silence,
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  please. Breakfast is the one Miller.
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  I'm strictly please do not talk to me.
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  Close quarters. This is.
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  This is my silent Mill. Oh dude.
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  Yeah no I mean come on it's like it's early fucking morning.
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  Jeremy lost in. You want to see slight?
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  Let me wake up first because ah ah and then we can talk At least
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  let me have my coffee first before you start.
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  Yeah. And it's not all when you get
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  the intense questions just like so how is everything?
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  How things work? And it's like, I'm gonna go
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  blank. No, no, yeah, but that actually
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  doesn't mind me of couple other things.
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  I did learn that was how you phrase questions because you
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  Don't say, did you do this or this?
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  You say, hmm. Why did you do this?
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  And why didn't you do that? It's you gotta phrase those
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  questions. So they keep the person talking
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  not just yes or no. And then I mean I learned a
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  bunch of software made sound nicer by software.
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  I just need my like I use an app called calendly which half the
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  people don't like using it though.
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  So that's hit or miss. And then let's the other one I
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  started using a calendar because I need to be like, oh, not
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  available at those times and Yeah, I don't know.
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  It's just, I've just take everything at one step at a
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  time, so it's I learned, you know, there's always something
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  interesting about every person I talked to couldn't agree more.
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  Yeah, old, do you think the willingness to speak is a big
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  factor in that so why everyone doesn't necessarily have
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  something to offer? I mean, I make his the thing I
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  think with podcasting, if you're guesting on a show Or just
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  getting involved in podcasting you need to enjoy conversation.
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  I think it's true. Yeah, and I've had some a few
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  instances where it's been like I asked questions and I get
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  nothing and I'm like, what I do, it's the script, let's do
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  something else, and it's like, if they don't want to be there,
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  they don't want to be there. And it's like, all right.
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  I just recently had one of those because I haven't most of the
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  people, I've talked to their, they do.
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  Most of Of the talking and sometimes I have to do a little
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  bit more but like, nothing crazy but recently I just had this one
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  guest and I don't know. When I listen to it back as like
• 22:10
  we're my reactions kind of weak or was like he said, just so
• 22:16
  basic that because it was one of my shortest episodes.
• 22:20
  I think we recorded for 45 minutes and I'm like, I don't
• 22:24
  know, I'll probably still release it just because I need
• 22:27
  to get it. I had the exact same.
• 22:30
  Thing happened to me recently. I'm not going to specify because
• 22:35
  I don't want to give it away anyone listening, you know what
• 22:40
  I will say, is exactly the same thing.
• 22:42
  I came off of it thinking. Should I publish this?
• 22:48
  I is there. Is this even worth listening to?
• 22:51
  And then I was like that, maybe I'm being harsh and then I
• 22:53
  listen back to it, and I did a few clips and I realized that
• 22:57
  the clips were the only part of it.
• 23:00
  That will worth listening to and then I wondered like, okay
• 23:03
  because my first thing is to go okay, what I'm I'm the host of
• 23:07
  this, I'm My Own this, so if it's bad I own that too, you
• 23:11
  know, I'm not gonna blow my guest for that.
• 23:14
  And I felt really bad and I reached out to my community and
• 23:17
  I said, yo, for the people that listen, I said, hey, what do you
• 23:19
  guys think? Do you think I did?
• 23:22
  I mess up was this terrible excetera and they literally all
• 23:26
  said no, it was your guest. They just didn't want to, you
• 23:32
  know, they just didn't seem engaged in the conversation.
• 23:34
  When I listen back another time I was like I heard it then, you
• 23:38
  know, and I kind of felt it when the podcast was happening.
• 23:40
  But I really noticed it when I went back and I was like yeah.
• 23:44
  Yeah and it just breaks my heart because it's like why would you
• 23:51
  go on a podcast if you don't want to be like, yeah I mean,
• 23:54
  right? And I remember getting halfway
• 23:56
  through, I'm thinking much about it just like in this now like I
• 24:01
  really had to think about whether or not I was going to
• 24:03
  publish that because I don't know like the way you got to
• 24:08
  look at Prague Gone Gone. Oh I cut you off.
• 24:10
  Oh yeah. It's and it's I mean if you're
• 24:13
  not gonna listen to Elf. It's like why would I publish
• 24:15
  it? And I never even looked at it
• 24:17
  from your point of view or it's like, it's not the guess that
• 24:19
  made about. It's me that I'm the host that
• 24:21
  it's my show. So I publish it.
• 24:23
  That's on me, which is an interesting take that.
• 24:26
  I never looked at it, is it because it's like, for me, Every
• 24:33
  guest to have on this show. I do interview them, you know, I
• 24:37
  got questions here. I do research on every guest and
• 24:39
  I interview them, but I don't really want to interview per se,
• 24:45
  I do, but I want the conversation to go that I want a
• 24:48
  discussion. I want to back and forth.
• 24:49
  I want tennis, that's what I want, but I don't care if it's
• 24:53
  like one-sided tennis. That's fine.
• 24:56
  As long as it's like, You know, they're leading sorry.
• 25:01
  Yeah, if it's just me going. Hey, so what about this?
• 25:04
  Uh okay, wow, we're done already.
• 25:08
  Are we okay? What about this?
• 25:11
  Nothing's over there? You giving me nothing, pal, the
• 25:15
  given me nothing. Complicated leaving me hanging,
• 25:18
  please. Come on, just give me something
• 25:20
  anything. Come on.
• 25:23
  Yeah, so if you haven't figured out which episode play is, yeah.
• 25:30
  I listen to two pretty solid episodes, the guy with the PHD
• 25:33
  and in the, I think she did cosplays.
• 25:38
  So is this mine? I was just you saying you listen
• 25:41
  to my podcast. Oh yeah, because yeah, I've
• 25:44
  listened to two of your episodes.
• 25:45
  Before I got on those like, got a, what was the other thing you
• 25:49
  got to know who you're talking to?
• 25:50
  You can't just a lot of people. Do, you know who you're talking
• 25:56
  to? I'm a big deal, pal.
• 26:08
  So chances are 90% of your viewers.
• 26:10
  I'm going to go check it out which I mean I'm fine with.
• 26:13
  I gotta tell ya, you never know you never know actually because
• 26:17
  I will say what about my community love you, guys.
• 26:20
  They do, they do guard their way and they do check out the people
• 26:22
  and stuff and this is one of the reasons why I do.
• 26:26
  I mean, I think from a soon as I began doing all this content
• 26:31
  stuff because I do content elsewhere, not just podcasting
• 26:34
  my realized, I didn't just want to do one thing, you know.
• 26:38
  One of the reasons why I interview all sorts of people
• 26:40
  from different backgrounds, it's because the conversation is
• 26:42
  different every time. So every time you come on,
• 26:44
  anyone comes on this show that's something different for my
• 26:47
  audience. And with my audience, you know,
• 26:49
  they have different interests themselves to some episodes.
• 26:51
  Maybe it's not for them other episodes.
• 26:53
  They love it and they go check out that person and I see things
• 26:56
  like, oh, they're following that person.
• 26:58
  Now, that's cool. Well, there are the chicken at
• 26:59
  their video. I did it.
• 27:00
  So it does it does it does work. And I think that For me, it's
• 27:07
  all about the show. It's all about putting on good
• 27:11
  content and that's the same when I go on other people shows like,
• 27:15
  yeah. Of course, you know, I'm there
• 27:18
  to promote myself, but I just don't believe that a good way of
• 27:21
  promoting yourself is to be like, hey, come check me out.
• 27:25
  Come do this. Do this thing.
• 27:27
  Subscribe to this. It's like no, Give Me A Reason.
• 27:29
  Show me why I should care. It's y sub for sub, which is one
• 27:33
  of my biggest pet peeves, or just, I think that's one of,
• 27:37
  that's just something I did it when I was younger, but now I'm
• 27:41
  like, that is such a stupid thing, there's no engagement.
• 27:43
  It's not, you didn't build that audience, you got each other's
• 27:48
  audiences. So, yeah, there's that.
• 27:51
  And I try to connect to people on LinkedIn after, like, I
• 27:54
  listen to some podcasts and I'll be like, like I connected with
• 27:57
  you on LinkedIn because, you know, okay, you know, these are
• 28:00
  connections that's the other thing you know five casting
• 28:03
  connections kind of there are different states countries but
• 28:08
  it's connections and yeah like you said with the If people are
• 28:14
  interested in they go check it out which I'm all for.
• 28:17
  Because like, that guy with the PHD, I really enjoyed his
• 28:20
  interview and I wouldn't actually weirdly enough.
• 28:24
  I went and found him on LinkedIn and he was actually hard to find
• 28:27
  just because I think there was another name someone with his.
• 28:31
  I don't know, he's kind of find, but I enjoy listening to him.
• 28:34
  He's really smart. The other thing I honestly find
• 28:38
  hard about podcasting is Because for you, it's like a different
• 28:42
  experience for every person you interview, which I really like
• 28:46
  right now, the issue with my podcast is, I don't know what to
• 28:50
  put in mishaan it as because I did productivity.
• 28:54
  And then, I recently switched to, because I was like, oh,
• 28:57
  there's literally no point of being productive, if you're not
• 28:59
  happy, so I love ya. So I brought it to.
• 29:06
  Okay, let's talk about people's struggles or whatever, they have
• 29:09
  to say what's happened to them. And that's been really
• 29:11
  interesting, but then I'm like, okay.
• 29:14
  Well, I also want to talk about people, starting up businesses,
• 29:17
  people in crypto and just all the stuff I'm interested in.
• 29:22
  Hmm. But then it's hard to get it.
• 29:26
  Some Market, I know you have like a tick tock and Instagram.
• 29:29
  Actually, I never checked her Instagram, but but see, dude, I
• 29:32
  went to check the, like, my podcast is something that I
• 29:39
  believe me. I do a lot more.
• 29:40
  Tim Ferry. Yeah, and it just it just
• 29:43
  doesn't work. Like I thought Clips were gonna
• 29:48
  be like, oh, this is it. What one?
• 29:50
  Click goes viral. I get loads of you and it's
• 29:52
  happened. I've had clips that have got
• 29:54
  like 80 thousand views or whatever like on Tick-Tock and
• 29:57
  then nothing didn't grow and get in any followers, you know, it's
• 30:01
  so hard to get people to care because that's one of the things
• 30:04
  you said in the beginning that I thought was very interesting is
• 30:07
  that you said ah what's the point of doing this, you know?
• 30:10
  No one cares. And here's the thing, I've got a
• 30:13
  solid audience that listens to this show now, small audience.
• 30:16
  But there's some people that care and that is so valuable.
• 30:19
  People, always talk about numbers, like I had a sponsor
• 30:21
  reach out to me that I do. I tell this story is this is
• 30:23
  funny, right? Real quick.
• 30:25
  So I had a sponsor reach out to me and they reached out to me by
• 30:30
  email and the like, hey Christian we saw your views on
• 30:33
  YouTube and you know, we would like to sponsor you, you know,
• 30:35
  this is this is a good opportunity, but my blood and
• 30:37
  I'm like great. And then I said, Well, this is
• 30:41
  what I'll offer. You can have placement in this
• 30:43
  episode but hablar they'll be audio version will be video
• 30:46
  version and here's my rate and they were like, okay, that's
• 30:50
  great. Yeah.
• 30:51
  So can you send us your stats for your podcast and I'm
• 30:54
  thinking So you've reached out to me and you've said that you
• 31:00
  want to sponsor me but now this is turned into me pitching to
• 31:03
  you, right? So I suspect painstakingly sent
• 31:07
  them screenshots because I mean the podcast is hosted on anchor,
• 31:11
  which means it gets spread everywhere.
• 31:13
  I got a couple portal, which shows you, you know, Spotify
• 31:16
  Apple podcast Google and it's pretty good.
• 31:18
  It's a good run down. You've got like your age
• 31:21
  demographics, gender demographics.
• 31:25
  Devices that people use, you know, it's good.
• 31:28
  It's a good little tool but it's split because obviously the
• 31:31
  YouTube stuff is completely different and Bubba blown, you
• 31:35
  know, I kind of I glanced at it every now and again because my
• 31:39
  audience stays the same at the moment.
• 31:40
  So until it gets big numbers and changes, it's not really worth
• 31:43
  looking at right now by sent all this stuff over.
• 31:47
  Radio silence, the girls. And then I was just like, why
• 31:53
  did you bothered like it kind of just pissed me off to be honest.
• 31:57
  It was just like, what is this? They said we started with the
• 32:02
  asking the stats get but even then.
• 32:05
  Okay. So don't forget they said, hey,
• 32:09
  You know, we want to, we want to do this.
• 32:12
  It's not like I reached out to that because this is why I don't
• 32:14
  pitch for sponsorships because I know that if I send them stats
• 32:17
  like, I did with this company, they're going to be like, oh
• 32:19
  that's nothing. My eyes only got like 10, 15
• 32:22
  people, who jump person, who cares about that.
• 32:24
  You know, that's probably their mindset probably, which I think
• 32:28
  is dumb because to be honest, you could easily have a thousand
• 32:32
  people watching your show every week and like, none of them care
• 32:36
  to check out the products. Has 10-15 committed people who,
• 32:41
  because don't forget, like, it's the same thing.
• 32:43
  It's like they trust in you. So, whatever you promote on that
• 32:49
  show. They'll probably go check that
• 32:51
  out. Or, you know, if for was saying
• 32:53
  before, you know, people coming on this show, they'll go check
• 32:55
  that person out. So there's like a sense of trust
• 32:58
  and loyalty from the listeners into me and that's what I would
• 33:02
  try and push if they gave me an opportunity but they didn't.
• 33:05
  And so bringing in fact exist in Whole conversation about
• 33:10
  marketing for podcast stuff. I mean I don't know, like I'm in
• 33:14
  a growing stage where I'm growing on these platforms, but
• 33:18
  it's back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth.
• 33:20
  Like I've been stuck, like under 800 followers on Instagram
• 33:23
  forever, I lose more followers than again Tick, Tock we got
• 33:27
  loads of views and follows but now it's stagnated and it's back
• 33:31
  to being dead and my focus is shifted.
• 33:35
  I've gone back and forth from like being miserable about it.
• 33:38
  It to not caring about it too. Kind of my point now which is
• 33:42
  I'm just trying to create the best stuff that I can create and
• 33:45
  find work and try to do this for a living one day, but I'm not
• 33:49
  really focused on the numbers anymore.
• 33:51
  Like, I glanced at them, but I think if you chase that too
• 33:55
  much, it just becomes a thing that defines you and then it
• 33:58
  affects the content. And as far as I'm concerned, the
• 34:02
  most important thing is, always the content, no matter how
• 34:04
  successful or unsuccessful you are.
• 34:06
  It all comes down to what you. You're putting out there?
• 34:09
  Yeah, it's a without good content.
• 34:12
  No One's Gonna. Like you can have all the
• 34:14
  viewers but if your content is not even good, they're not going
• 34:16
  to care to come back. So they might see a once and be
• 34:18
  like, oh yeah. Now that wasn't good.
• 34:21
  Move on. Or the engagement will just stay
• 34:23
  super low, which isn't fulfilling in my through me.
• 34:26
  That's just not fulfilling when it's like, nobody cares for me a
• 34:30
  lot. I know in person, I know a lot
• 34:32
  of people that know about my podcast, but they haven't
• 34:35
  listened to it, but I feel like I've done a good job at Making
• 34:38
  it noticed how I brand it and they kind of look like oh you
• 34:42
  run that podcast or whatever. That's also business cards.
• 34:47
  Wow. Is that what fair play fair
• 34:49
  play? He's got business and they
• 34:53
  they're honestly pretty nice. So, yeah, and what was the other
• 34:57
  thing that Oh Tick Tock. So one thing I've read about
• 35:04
  tick-tocks algorithm actually is when people like their new to it
• 35:08
  they'll laugh. Sometimes have a video that goes
• 35:10
  viral, met my brother a couple years back.
• 35:13
  We made it took talking about like three million views.
• 35:16
  I'm deleted his Tick-Tock account, but it got like 3
• 35:18
  million views and after that is used, never really quite reached
• 35:22
  the same unless he had a dead dog.
• 35:25
  Not real. But he wanted to go viral for a
• 35:30
  little bit and you know, sometimes he said his dog died
• 35:33
  and I was like, oh okay. But yeah, so yeah, I just agree.
• 35:40
  If you're if it's not, if you're not making good content, you're
• 35:42
  just looking at those analytics every day.
• 35:45
  You're just going to kill your why?
• 35:47
  You even started it. Hmm, though.
• 35:50
  I do know a lot of people that they start social media, just
• 35:52
  for the sake of, oh this'll be my full-time job.
• 35:55
  Like, I don't like to say it can't, there's a reason it's the
• 36:01
  top one percent in my eyes because it's you have to work
• 36:04
  hard for it. And yeah, that's the thing hard
• 36:07
  work. Doesn't necessarily mean
• 36:09
  anything. Those people that do this for
• 36:11
  years and years and years and years and just get nowhere.
• 36:13
  Yeah. Part of its luck to, I think a
• 36:16
  bigger percentage of his luck, I mean every single major
• 36:20
  successful person I've read about or heard about, especially
• 36:23
  with social media. Always says, oh, Oh well, it's
• 36:26
  the hard work. You just got to keep grinding
• 36:28
  putting in the hard work and it's that way I've been grinding
• 36:30
  for two years and I've barely got a lot of to show for it man.
• 36:34
  So, it's really not just about the grinding.
• 36:37
  It's about, did I mean it's about the the lock and who, you
• 36:41
  know, and opportunities and stuff like that.
• 36:45
  Yeah, shoutouts. I do not like them because I
• 36:49
  mean, if you get shout out, hey, you get a lot of followers, a
• 36:53
  lot of them aren't as engaged. I guess with podcasting, if they
• 36:57
  go out of your way to go, find your podcast.
• 36:58
  It'll be a good follower. But I know with YouTube, If you
• 37:01
  get a shout-out, it can actually kill your channel.
• 37:04
  Whatever. I, so, like I said on my old
• 37:08
  Channel, I got reached 356 subscribers on that.
• 37:12
  And I just want because I was really good at connecting with
• 37:15
  small creators and literally I would go on one person's Channel
• 37:19
  and I'd see that they mentioned this other Creator, I follow and
• 37:22
  vice versa. If it was, this is pretty cool
• 37:25
  in my opinion. But either way, I gotta shout
• 37:28
  outs every now. And then, and one time it was
• 37:29
  from this channel that had, I don't remember how many
• 37:32
  subscribers he had, but he was doing well, and I got quite a
• 37:34
  few subscribers. However, most of their
• 37:37
  engagement was just saying, oh, good video now.
• 37:40
  Yada, and then Then after a while, they just disappeared and
• 37:44
  it just hurt my views. It for my help, the ratio
• 37:47
  between subscribers and viewers. I'm not, I like I think a collab
• 37:55
  is the proper way to do a like a shout-out.
• 37:58
  I think just to rekt shoutouts, they don't feel like they're
• 38:02
  good for your overall health. Leave your channel because it
• 38:08
  just does it just it can kill engagement.
• 38:10
  It's the same thing. If I don't think going viral is
• 38:13
  good because you get viral for that.
• 38:14
  One thing, you either have to do that one thing for everyone or
• 38:19
  you have to mix it up and find some way to keep them engaged.
• 38:23
  And that's, that's hard. I had to single thing.
• 38:26
  I did a video, get 2.9 million views on ticked up, and it was a
• 38:32
  stitch, it's a silly little thing that I did, but the thing
• 38:37
  is, I do stuff like that all the time.
• 38:39
  My silly voices, silly reactions. sure, that it's a
• 38:42
  multi content thing and I just look at it as luck.
• 38:50
  I really do. I think you can never predict
• 38:53
  what's going to get loads of views.
• 38:55
  Sometimes, you think its timing, you know, like I did a little
• 38:59
  video the other day, you know, there's Salt Bay guy.
• 39:02
  The other guy that is that our cases is Chef in from turkey.
• 39:09
  And he got famous for basically sounds really dumb, but like, he
• 39:14
  would like cook steaks. Any he's process is pretty cool
• 39:20
  like the way he does it and everything is very, it takes a
• 39:22
  lot of care. He's like you know holding the
• 39:24
  meat, almost like cradling it. Do all this like interesting
• 39:27
  stuff with like Tom. Yes.
• 39:29
  And then at the end of the video he'd light sprinkle color that
• 39:33
  some salt like that and that's where that comes from such a big
• 39:37
  name anyway. Recently he set up a restaurant
• 39:40
  in London and he's charging extortion amounts of money.
• 39:46
  So like there's a YouTuber that kind of Opposed this where they
• 39:48
  made the same cooked and prepared the meals that he was
• 39:52
  charging. For like 65 pounds and he
• 39:59
  charges like 7 grand for the meal and the experience.
• 40:05
  Yeah, it's the at least putting the little gold, whatever.
• 40:08
  Ya know. He does.
• 40:09
  Not mean, I mean, these basically, these rich, these
• 40:11
  rich people come into this restaurant and they want to be
• 40:14
  like, dazzled and entertained, and, like, saw this video the
• 40:18
  other day where it's happening. And there's a guy sitting there,
• 40:22
  right? I hate to be, I hate to pick on
• 40:23
  this guy, but I I'm going to pick on this guy.
• 40:26
  So he's sitting there like this, looking really smug watching,
• 40:29
  Salt Bay, do his thing in front of him like this.
• 40:33
  He's wearing a fucking hat in a restaurant.
• 40:36
  Take your fucking hat off man. Don't wear a hat in a
• 40:40
  restaurant. You never seen The Sopranos come
• 40:41
  on. Don't just have some respect.
• 40:43
  I don't know who raised its guy but I just want to say that now
• 40:46
  just don't wear a hat and dig it up.
• 40:48
  Yeah, take that half, show some respect.
• 40:51
  Anyway, I just wanted to run the butter Either, but he's sitting
• 40:55
  there and he's watching the guy salt way do his thing.
• 41:00
  And I'm just, you know, everyone's kind of laughing
• 41:02
  about and saying like oh so Bayes charging too much money.
• 41:05
  This is extortion and it's like look those people are paying for
• 41:08
  it, you know, they've chosen that they don't have to pay that
• 41:11
  they don't have to go there, but I think it says a lot about.
• 41:15
  I don't think somebody's doing anything wrong.
• 41:17
  Look, he's got a really expensive restaurant in London
• 41:20
  is expensive to have a restaurant there.
• 41:22
  Just like it would be in like, New York in the It states, you
• 41:25
  know, you have a place there it's going to cost a lot to be
• 41:29
  there, so you're probably going to Eva have to do lots of deals
• 41:35
  and just hope you get a lot of volume or you have to charge a
• 41:38
  lot of money and make it a specialist Place.
• 41:40
  Those are your two options in a place like that.
• 41:43
  And so he's charging he's charging based on experience.
• 41:46
  Everyone knows you can do this stuff for cheaper but it's the
• 41:49
  experience. It's the hottest music.
• 41:54
  Yeah, the Show me all this. We also there's a bit, it's
• 41:57
  literally him doing his thing. That's what people are paying
• 42:00
  for and I do understand where people are coming from all, it's
• 42:04
  extortion, blah, blah. But look, you know, those rich
• 42:07
  people are paying for it, they choose to pay for it.
• 42:09
  They're happy with it. That's what it is.
• 42:11
  It's just a fad and they'll be another thing.
• 42:13
  You know, we'll come along and it's just what happens, you
• 42:16
  know. It's just the way it is.
• 42:20
  There's rich people are definitely not complaining.
• 42:22
  So if you're the guy with the hat, Completely forgot why I
• 42:26
  raised observes that engaged in a conversation.
• 42:28
  I'm the reason I raise that is that I, he was trending on
• 42:33
  Twitter. Oh yeah.
• 42:36
  So I posted a video that I'd already posted on Instagram with
• 42:40
  a filter and it's just a silly video.
• 42:43
  It's just like salt Bay, laughing, as he's taking your
• 42:47
  money. Ha ha ha, you know, and I put
• 42:49
  Maya posted it on Twitter because I saw that some papers
• 42:51
  trending and boom, it got like Like 14 15 K, and it got some
• 42:56
  retweets and stuff like that. So that was an example of
• 42:59
  perfect timing. When you see something trending,
• 43:03
  you hop on the trend but it doesn't, it doesn't always work
• 43:06
  that way either, you know. Yeah.
• 43:10
  Another good example, I've never done this but I think I have
• 43:15
  this phone. You know.
• 43:15
  Chemicals like that. Yeah.
• 43:19
  That sounds some subset. Yeah, it sounds like this.
• 43:22
  That's the new one, isn't it? Yeah.
• 43:24
  The adverse, okay, study the here, feeling like the man do I
• 43:33
  because I don't know, I pre-ordered a version that took
• 43:36
  an extra month's session. If I would have made like an
• 43:39
  Impressions video. When this first released though,
• 43:42
  I could have probably got something with a decent amount
• 43:44
  of views. So like you said, the a little
• 43:46
  bit of timing plus luck, it can get your Tweet with 15K likes.
• 43:52
  Yeah, I think I think He's unpredictable that the my point
• 43:56
  is with this is that there are other factors but mostly its
• 43:59
  unpredictability, for example, that video that I got, that went
• 44:03
  viral, it went viral in the Middle East.
• 44:08
  Yeah, like in Saudi Arabia, UAE Algeria countries like that.
• 44:15
  And I don't know how I think it just kind of maybe someone
• 44:19
  thought it was funny. They shared it and then it you
• 44:21
  know file you know, virality is it?
• 44:24
  Based on that isn't it's just sharing on showing up on sharing
• 44:26
  and sharing it in a quick kind of fashion.
• 44:30
  But my point is that I don't think you can always really
• 44:33
  predict or tap into what people are going to relate to or find
• 44:36
  funny or whatever. I think sometimes it just hits
• 44:41
  strikes. A nerve with people, you know, I
• 44:44
  was watching something the other day where they were talking
• 44:46
  about. How sometimes music when it
• 44:52
  becomes big? it becomes big because it kind
• 44:56
  of Hits at a time that connects with everything else at that
• 45:02
  particular time and the reason it's big is because it's big at
• 45:06
  that moment if that makes sense. So it's like I think about you
• 45:09
  like a particular record when it gets released in it or it
• 45:12
  becomes even genre-defining or moment defining.
• 45:16
  Like I think I like the 90s with with albums, like that
• 45:21
  Nirvana's, nevermind or maybe some of the stuff.
• 45:27
  By The Verve in the UK. Like it was released at that
• 45:30
  time and I think that it just struck a chord with people
• 45:36
  because of life back then and The Vibes and everything it just
• 45:43
  it just hit at the right time when it was supposed to because
• 45:46
  people forget, like techno Varner as an example, there were
• 45:48
  loads of grunge bands, they've been loads of grunge bands in
• 45:51
  the 80s, but for whatever reason grunge became really popular and
• 45:56
  I suppose In stream in the 90s, there were plenty of other bands
• 46:00
  that did it, you know, Allison change.
• 46:01
  Don't Temple Pilots Etc. But Nirvana I think somehow
• 46:06
  tapped into like the public Consciousness at that time and
• 46:09
  they they just you know say same with the Beatles did it the same
• 46:13
  way countless other artists have done it where they kind of
• 46:17
  almost defined a generation and a moment in time and enamine
• 46:23
  even with them it past you know, they had their moment, I think
• 46:26
  we'll never mind, they had their moment.
• 46:27
  Couple of years, top of the world and then when by the time
• 46:29
  they released their follow-up in, you know, Terror some of
• 46:35
  that kind of any better. Some some of that success began
• 46:45
  to wane but not but not like in a massive way that they didn't
• 46:48
  stop being successful or something.
• 46:50
  But like it wasn't as, as big as when Navarre nevermind came out
• 46:54
  and it was also by Design. They wanted to make a record
• 46:57
  that kind of would kill off some of that and kind of bring them
• 47:01
  back to basics. And yeah, that's why, you know,
• 47:03
  Terror such an experimental kind of album that almost sounds more
• 47:09
  like their earlier work. But yeah, I don't know.
• 47:13
  I just went on a rabbit hole there the no.
• 47:15
  Yeah, but I think you're completely right.
• 47:17
  Because something the time literally like the world was
• 47:21
  like, oh we need I don't know those songs like I know the
• 47:25
  Beatles but I don't listen to a lot of music.
• 47:28
  So David, I understand what you're saying.
• 47:30
  But yeah, it's that timing, it's the world's like this is what we
• 47:35
  needed to hear at the moment and they started sharing it and Soon
• 47:39
  enough. It's viral for a little bit and
• 47:41
  then slowly, It Was Nirvana. Yeah, slowly they have to switch
• 47:47
  there. With our song to find something
• 47:50
  else that fits and sometimes that works.
• 47:52
  Sometimes, it doesn't it's like certain bands of seen over the
• 47:55
  years that like, like, green day is a really good example and
• 47:59
  we've shown Green Day Before on this podcast.
• 48:02
  I actually I actually like but I think that they passed a certain
• 48:06
  point, they stopped being what they were and that's not its
• 48:11
  natural. All bands.
• 48:12
  Cannot continue to be at the very top, you know what I mean?
• 48:17
  It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how.
• 48:19
  It's marketing is out there how much, how much efforts are put
• 48:22
  into keeping them at the top it at the end of the day, it's the
• 48:27
  will of the people that make or break you, you know what I mean?
• 48:31
  Like, if you take something like Joe Rogan's podcast is a good
• 48:35
  example. I use this often as an example,
• 48:38
  his podcast is not like continually always at the top in
• 48:42
  the news. I mean you know, me and like
• 48:44
  he'll have certain guests that will bring it back into
• 48:47
  Consciousness or he'll say Nothing particularly
• 48:49
  controversial, but his moment of like, you know, being the most
• 48:53
  talked-about thing-- at least in the podcasting world has kind of
• 48:57
  been and gone, but he still don't give me your keys didn't
• 48:59
  very top but it's just like there was that moment?
• 49:03
  And then it passed and you move on and you keep going.
• 49:06
  And and that's the thing. Like you musicians never stopped
• 49:08
  releasing records, you know, like I think about a band like
• 49:12
  Franz Ferdinand here in the UK, they released their record, the
• 49:16
  song, Take me out and they kept releasing music.
• 49:19
  After that and I think they even still do but they just had that
• 49:22
  moment. And that was the moment and then
• 49:26
  you move on and they now have that build it up.
• 49:29
  They've built up some audience that they get a key from that.
• 49:32
  But yeah, they're not going to be nearly as viral.
• 49:36
  Yeah. And I bet it, but I think this
• 49:38
  is a very important Point as well.
• 49:39
  Like, people have to stop, doesn't matter what field you're
• 49:43
  in either. I think you have to stop being
• 49:44
  obsessed with this idea of being like, I hear, I hear this term,
• 49:50
  a lot on YouTube by relevancy or they're not relevant anymore,
• 49:53
  but not relevant. It and it's like, if that's your
• 49:56
  goal, is to stay relevant constantly.
• 49:58
  I mean, that's that's a bad thing.
• 50:01
  That's, that's sick. That's, that's not a good thing
• 50:04
  the extrange. Yeah.
• 50:05
  Like it's okay to not be the public center of attention 24/7,
• 50:10
  you know. And it's like I never used to
• 50:12
  really properly until grasp the under the idea of 15 seconds of
• 50:17
  fame or 15 minutes of fame but now I totally get it.
• 50:20
  It's like okay this is a moment, enjoy it.
• 50:23
  It won't last. People move on because it's
• 50:26
  amazing when you when you think about just think about this,
• 50:28
  think about the stuff that you were into like last year,
• 50:31
  although stuff that was in the news last year when you think
• 50:34
  back now you're not. Wow, that seems like an age ago
• 50:38
  like that's no one eat. No one even talks about it.
• 50:40
  No one even remembers that. And it's like kids because
• 50:44
  that's all key people care about is, what's going on right in
• 50:46
  this second. That's why it for instance, I
• 50:49
  never sit on things that I've done.
• 50:51
  Like, yeah, I had that video that went viral.
• 50:54
  Viral a while back. But that was then that's what
• 50:57
  I'm talking about. Now, the present.
• 50:59
  Yeah. Like, it's like actually become
• 51:00
  the past. Exactly.
• 51:02
  You know, it's like I remember one time I was playing a pool
• 51:04
  game and I won six games, but I lost the seventh and there's a
• 51:12
  guy giggling who's not playing and I'm not what.
• 51:14
  I still beat the guy six times and he's like, yeah, but you
• 51:17
  lost the last game and I was like, what?
• 51:19
  And then? He cheekily says, you're only as
• 51:22
  good as your last game. Wow.
• 51:24
  Wow. And that's the thing.
• 51:26
  Like obviously it was banter and it was mucking around but he was
• 51:29
  right that advice, it's stuck with me and I think he only said
• 51:35
  that as like a way of just kind of like trying to get to me and
• 51:38
  take the piss out of me, but it was it was wise advice, that
• 51:41
  price to everything. People only a care about the
• 51:44
  latest thing. You've done, doesn't matter that
• 51:46
  you did this thing three years ago that you're proud of great.
• 51:48
  But that was then, this is now gotta live in the moment.
• 51:55
  I was, I going to say, I forgot I lost my train of thought, but
• 52:02
  Oh yeah. So yeah, just go on, just
• 52:04
  piggybacking off focusing on what you do now versus what you
• 52:08
  did in the past like I used to make animations.
• 52:10
  I'm not nearly as good as that. Now, for my whole podcast, the
• 52:14
  whole thing I did was like, I'll focus on one thing at a time,
• 52:18
  like I'll have long-term goals, but I won't.
• 52:20
  Look at those very often, I'll look at what I one thing at a
• 52:24
  time. I'll see some episodes did
• 52:25
  better in the past. I'll focus on the next episode
• 52:28
  that I find interesting to make I'll just keep this cycle so
• 52:32
  that it's not exhausting. But I am improving and it's a
• 52:36
  good balance that's really cool. That that guy just something so
• 52:40
  simple from cool ended up being so revolutionary.
• 52:45
  It's funny how certain things that people say to you in life
• 52:48
  can stick with you. I think when your ears are open,
• 52:52
  you really listening to people and something that you need to,
• 52:55
  here comes into your life at the time, you need to hear and it
• 52:59
  just, yeah, just makes them And then you I guess and they'll
• 53:04
  have no idea sometimes most times probably actually, let's
• 53:10
  let's move it forward. I want to talk a little bit
• 53:13
  about your want to talk about your career aspirations.
• 53:18
  Tell me, tell me, tell me, what do you want to do with your
• 53:21
  life? Never retire but no, B.
• 53:27
  Yeah, I mean, you've got this podcast.
• 53:29
  You said that you've you've doubled with with animations and
• 53:32
  you go back and forth and it, but what do you really want to
• 53:34
  do? Like, what's, what's the
• 53:36
  ambition was to drive? What's pushing you, or where do
• 53:38
  you want to go? So for a career, this is, this
• 53:41
  has been one of the things that's been most difficult in my
• 53:44
  life. Not not too much.
• 53:46
  What kind of just at times just start?
• 53:50
  Let's just start. So I got my first job just last
• 53:53
  year, January of 2020, I was working at McDonald's and I work
• 53:58
  there till April of this. Here, I last two months there, I
• 54:02
  became a manager and hated it so I quit.
• 54:06
  And I was like, I'm going to quit, not work for two months
• 54:11
  and then on my second to last day, I got offered a job from a
• 54:16
  customer at an insurance brokerage.
• 54:19
  And so I still work there right now.
• 54:21
  He's a really good guy, I do wish the pay was a little bit
• 54:24
  better but it'll suffice but in high school I honestly had no
• 54:29
  idea what I was going to do for my future.
• 54:30
  Teacher. So, I just avoided thinking
• 54:32
  about it, avoided anything, like, like I told you earlier,
• 54:35
  in this episode, I'm like, hey, I'm not doing video as my video,
• 54:41
  or what's the other thing I guess audio?
• 54:44
  Because I've considered, like, before I started podcasting, I
• 54:47
  was editing. That's just shortening a
• 54:51
  podcast. One of my friends for like 20
• 54:53
  bucks a week. And he was working for someone.
• 54:56
  He just needed you just didn't like that part.
• 54:58
  So we paid me which is nice. But that's besides the point, I
• 55:03
  just feel like those creative ones.
• 55:05
  Having those as a full-time job, I must therefore projects you
• 55:08
  got to work on yourself. That it would be exhausting,
• 55:11
  like, you'll get very good. Like I have a friend.
• 55:13
  He, he does skateboarding. He does these edits you take
• 55:15
  these photos. They're amazing, but I feel like
• 55:19
  if I was doing it for clients, I would get exhausted so quick and
• 55:23
  I've done a few gigs here and there.
• 55:24
  Like I helped them a wedding for my brother-in-law.
• 55:27
  I've helped. I've done a couple photo shoots
• 55:30
  for graduation and Church events just stuff like that and I mean
• 55:34
  I didn't despise it. No.
• 55:36
  But I could I'm not on like oh this was my favorite thing I've
• 55:39
  ever filmed. The money was nice and I was
• 55:42
  like yeah I have a skill in this.
• 55:43
  I'll do it. But so I do like messing around
• 55:47
  with computers right beside me. I have my computer I bill.
• 55:51
  Oh recent yeah. Damn.
• 55:59
  Very worth it but that's besides the point.
• 56:01
  So I'm like, I like computers. It's not something, I'd read,
• 56:05
  not something that's so amazing. I'd get burnout at it for going
• 56:09
  to our video. So recently, I've been looking
• 56:13
  I'm like, okay so I need to make more than thirty thousand
• 56:15
  dollars a year round but I currently make and what would be
• 56:19
  the best way to go about this? So I looked at the different
• 56:22
  careers and like, well, I could become licensed Insurance sell
• 56:27
  insurance if I got enough clients.
• 56:31
  Some of my co-workers they make good money doing it but I'm like
• 56:34
  for that be so fulfilling I want to do it would because I mean
• 56:39
  I'm going to CSR take the calls and you know it's it's tolerable
• 56:45
  it's all right I don't think I'd want to do that for the rest of
• 56:48
  my life. I mean obviously you can change
• 56:50
  your career at any moment but I don't think I'd want to really
• 56:55
  Do that for the rest for a good portion of my life.
• 56:58
  So I'm like, well, I might get licensed try, getting a few
• 57:02
  clients to help save up some money but that's out of the
• 57:06
  picture. So the other careers I was
• 57:08
  looking at was there's it over the other ones, most of the time
• 57:15
  I just kind of gave up every career.
• 57:16
  I saw him like oh I don't like that idea so I don't remember
• 57:20
  the exact ones I looked at but so recently I was like, okay.
• 57:25
  To try 80 and with it. A lot of the times that you can
• 57:28
  do is you can get a certificate. So if you certificates, you can
• 57:31
  start in a help desk job and work your way up, however,
• 57:36
  there's some limits with that would pay and I don't know
• 57:39
  exactly. I'm not in it and then the other
• 57:42
  option is go to college and I'm in the u.s.
• 57:44
  So our college is expensive and high school.
• 57:48
  Me did not have the brain power to be like, oh let's actually
• 57:51
  prepare for college. I did graduate high school
• 57:54
  January. This year.
• 57:55
  So, it semester early and However, I'd never applied for
• 58:00
  scholarships. I never took my took one
• 58:02
  concurrent enrollment class which is basically college
• 58:05
  credit. And, and then the test, there's
• 58:09
  I think it's called an SAT. I don't remember, I didn't study
• 58:13
  for that. I didn't care for it and I got a
• 58:15
  15 on it. So, on some ends, I will have to
• 58:18
  figure out. I have to figure out how
• 58:20
  basically any sort of. Whoa, I'm going to save up for
• 58:24
  Community College, for the first two years that I should be able
• 58:28
  to afford. It's not too bad.
• 58:30
  It's the university, the last two years to get the Bachelors
• 58:33
  that's going to be kind of I'll probably have to take out loans
• 58:36
  which I hate but it will be worth it to be making more than
• 58:40
  30,000 a year. So yeah, I'm going to probably
• 58:44
  save up for those two years of Community College and then those
• 58:47
  last two years I'll probably have to take out a loan or two
• 58:51
  Problem on that. But I'm looking at possibly,
• 58:58
  I'll probably get a sir, it's called the A+ certification
• 59:01
  certificate I'll probably get that. before I start college,
• 59:06
  and I don't know, I'll just have to see.
• 59:09
  I have to learn how heavy loans grants, whatever that stuff is,
• 59:13
  I never learned about it in high school because I'm like, oh, I
• 59:15
  don't have a future. And now I'm like, oh crap, I
• 59:19
  want a future, and I want a career that I want a career and
• 59:24
  it if you get up there, it pays very well.
• 59:26
  So, that's one other nice thing. So yeah, look my rambling on
• 59:32
  here now. Oh no, it's so slow rambling.
• 59:35
  It's refreshing. I think.
• 59:37
  Or. You're kind of open to lots of
• 59:39
  different options and you've got a clear understanding of.
• 59:44
  Okay, this is my goal. At least initially.
• 59:46
  This is what I need to do. And you know, I just need to get
• 59:50
  okay. If it's a to be I got figure out
• 59:53
  how to get to be and there's different ways I can do that.
• 59:56
  And, you know, I don't know, it's refreshing.
• 59:58
  I mean, I don't know you sound much more clued up than, than,
• 1:00:02
  than I was when I was 18. I don't know what the fuck I was
• 1:00:05
  doing. So yeah, intelligent young man.
• 1:00:08
  It's good. Good.
• 1:00:11
  It's got a fake, it, you know, it's good.
• 1:00:14
  The other thing is now I do want to try actually retiring early.
• 1:00:18
  That's one of my goals and I consider myself a fairly Frugal
• 1:00:22
  person I do. Make a few kind of expensive
• 1:00:25
  impulse purchases here and there, but I'm better at it than
• 1:00:29
  I used to like in high school and like, you know, I'm in high
• 1:00:31
  school. I won't have this opportunity
• 1:00:33
  where I don't have this many bills and I like, you know, most
• 1:00:39
  people recognize this Mike, it's expensive.
• 1:00:43
  Not it depends on your voice, I'll be honest here.
• 1:00:46
  Like I kind of have a higher voice like kind of neat kind of
• 1:00:49
  high. So it's not perfect.
• 1:00:51
  Okay, so that's besides the point in high school.
• 1:00:53
  I was a very impulsive purchaser.
• 1:00:55
  Then I moved onto After High School and, you know, it was
• 1:01:04
  kind of like that and then now I'm pretty good about it.
• 1:01:10
  Every now and then like this phone, I dropped it.
• 1:01:14
  This phone is that phone wasn't the smartest decision and you
• 1:01:20
  know, but I'm getting better at it.
• 1:01:22
  Like I use an app called you NAB.
• 1:01:24
  It's pretty fantastic stands for you.
• 1:01:27
  Need a budget. So cool.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, may have. So just probably going into it
• 1:01:35
  and hopefully retiring early will see.
• 1:01:38
  Hopefully, I'm going to Do what I can do to get towards that
• 1:01:44
  other than that, that's, that's as far as I've thought of, for
• 1:01:46
  my career, at the moment. Best of luck man.
• 1:01:50
  I'm sure you'll smash it's a good sign that you got to.
• 1:01:52
  Like I said, be clued up at this point.
• 1:01:54
  I think that could only mean a good thing long-term now.
• 1:01:57
  I've got a I've got to ask. Yeah, you worked, you work in
• 1:02:02
  insurance and you worked in McDonald's.
• 1:02:04
  Joanie crazy stories Casillas, our customer service
• 1:02:08
  representative, right? Yes, right.
• 1:02:11
  So let's let's focus on insurance firstly.
• 1:02:15
  Yeah, well, it's a bit of crazy stories or things that stick out
• 1:02:18
  in your memory from your time working the.
• 1:02:21
  So I'm thinking won't listen to this.
• 1:02:23
  She doesn't actually, I don't know if she did speaks English,
• 1:02:26
  so I don't know, Spanish. I only know English.
• 1:02:28
  Unfortunately, no name is one customer names.
• 1:02:31
  Keep that, no names. Yeah, i-i'm not about that.
• 1:02:35
  This is one customer I think she has.
• 1:02:39
  This is kind of deep, I think she has bipolar or some sort of
• 1:02:42
  okay? Something of this sort.
• 1:02:44
  She comes in, she needs to make a payment for example, and she
• 1:02:49
  could be there, sometimes she'll be there for like, what, 10, 20
• 1:02:52
  minutes other time she'll be there for a couple hours.
• 1:02:54
  Oh wow. And yeah, she'll just talk from
• 1:02:56
  one thing to the next and just recently as in my boss's office
• 1:03:00
  and he was actually giving me a raise, which was pretty nice but
• 1:03:04
  the door was shut. So then I come out and then
• 1:03:07
  she's like, oh, that's the office, security security lady.
• 1:03:12
  Like what I can't see. Spanish side.
• 1:03:15
  I'm just walk out and she's all looking at me laughing, at the
• 1:03:18
  Lego. Some other things that happen.
• 1:03:22
  Oh, just side note. If you guys don't have state
• 1:03:25
  minimum coverage has on your insurance policy that's just
• 1:03:28
  blatantly stupid. If you hit a Tesla, you're
• 1:03:30
  screwed, don't do it. I always recommend one hundred,
• 1:03:33
  three hundred or above. It's usually not that much more
• 1:03:37
  either. Sorry.
• 1:03:38
  That was kind of like a cell, seeing some other things that
• 1:03:41
  have happened cells, people give us donuts and Absolutely love
• 1:03:45
  it. And I think as most of it's over
• 1:03:50
  the phone and it's not too crazy.
• 1:03:53
  A lot of, I mean, a lot of people are just kind of like
• 1:03:56
  they kind of just angry and it's not that funny, the same thing
• 1:03:59
  with McDonald's like the craziest thing that happened,
• 1:04:03
  there was someone there order with the sandwiches messed up.
• 1:04:08
  So we go and remake it, and then she comes back and she's like,
• 1:04:11
  you did not remake this. This is the same standard, you
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  just made it. Correctly.
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  And if she like threw it on the ground, she's crazy or like what
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  I don't know, to be honest. I Forget a lot of the crazy
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  stories that happened to me. I will always remember her
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  because she'll she'll call or text line which can't takes
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  phones and we'll see. You notification will go.
• 1:04:34
  I go and we know who to give it to since she's a client for a
• 1:04:38
  specific insurance agent and then she'll call the office.
• 1:04:44
  And sometimes again that will last a while or that will last
• 1:04:46
  really quick. And should I go tomorrow?
• 1:04:48
  I'm coming in and this doesn't come in tomorrow.
• 1:04:51
  So yeah, it's geez. We all Her.
• 1:04:56
  That's good. I mean, at least she sounds
• 1:04:58
  decent, you know, I mean, yeah, she's not a bad person.
• 1:05:01
  She she doesn't like one of the, what's funny.
• 1:05:05
  One moment she likes this person, one of the people, she
• 1:05:08
  were my coworker, the one that works with her.
• 1:05:12
  Some moment she likes her some woman, she doesn't.
• 1:05:14
  And then You know this is gonna sound really weird don't ever do
• 1:05:19
  this with a client but we found her Facebook and we're gone to
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  that she's like a nice lady. She's and she dresses like what
• 1:05:28
  the young person, you know? She's, he's old, she, she does
• 1:05:32
  not just like an old person. So she looks that's weird for me
• 1:05:35
  to say, but she looks fine for someone.
• 1:05:38
  I think she's 70s, okay? It's just you say, yeah,
• 1:05:42
  together gonna Throw any other. That's the one I find most
• 1:05:47
  memorable is her, that's good. Now, that's cool.
• 1:05:50
  I mean, I was expecting like, manner of terrible stories, like
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  all this hell and this, how? But it sounds to me, like, for
• 1:05:57
  the most part. Well, one or two things, either
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  one or maybe it's both, you know, you haven't really had
• 1:06:04
  that many bad experiences. And when you have had them,
• 1:06:07
  you've just dealt with them in a good way.
• 1:06:09
  I suppose. It's probably the best.
• 1:06:10
  Yeah, put it. Yeah, generally a good attitude
• 1:06:13
  towards List of yeah, unfortunately, I have to be
• 1:06:18
  like, oh, you're annoying but hey, hey buddy, we're going to
• 1:06:22
  be friends for a moment. A lot of the times I do give it
• 1:06:25
  to my boss because, again, I'm only six months into six or
• 1:06:30
  seven months into insurance. So I'm still pretty new to it.
• 1:06:33
  Okay. So there's still time.
• 1:06:36
  Yeah. Are you cold calling people on a
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  know? So my boss, he we get so many
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  mouth-to-mouth references and then just based off how many
• 1:06:47
  clients he has. He has a lot of clients.
• 1:06:51
  It's most of the time we don't need to and a lot of people like
• 1:06:55
  Progressive they'll send people to our agency and will get
• 1:06:59
  quotes like that. So I have not seen my boss, do
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  it or me. Personally, I don't want to my
• 1:07:07
  co-workers. He does.
• 1:07:07
  Real estate and insurance and he kind of uses Insurance to
• 1:07:13
  promote his real estate. And The Estates burnout is
• 1:07:15
  Insurance. He's a really smart guy in that
• 1:07:17
  aspect and you know it's yeah I don't have to do any cold
• 1:07:22
  calling though so that's nice. It's good, it's good.
• 1:07:28
  What's the biggest life lesson that you've learned so far as
• 1:07:31
  thinking about this, right? Because you've asked other
• 1:07:34
  people and I asked everyone, so initially, I was going to say,
• 1:07:39
  hey just take everything one step at a time because otherwise
• 1:07:43
  you're gonna be like, Oh, I'm going to become big YouTuber and
• 1:07:46
  then you're not going to take the little steps that actually
• 1:07:48
  get you. Hopefully, they're so, I would
• 1:07:52
  say that then the other day, I was just thinking of something
• 1:07:55
  else, I completely forgot. At it now, which makes me kind
• 1:07:57
  of upset because you know, you're going to see other people
• 1:08:00
  suggest hey just take things one thing at a time.
• 1:08:03
  But I was kind of looking at something else in a like that
• 1:08:06
  would be interesting and I forgot it, I'm sad.
• 1:08:09
  But yeah, I would say just take everything one step at a time.
• 1:08:12
  It's so, it's just simple. It keeps goals in proportion and
• 1:08:18
  you don't beat yourself up over. Something's bad.
• 1:08:21
  You just go. Oh, I worked on this.
• 1:08:23
  Once that's done, I should be good to move on to this.
• 1:08:27
  And from there I just eventually builds up until it's something
• 1:08:30
  you like or you end up in a career you like or I don't know,
• 1:08:34
  it just it overall makes good sequence in my opinion of how
• 1:08:39
  things work and it keeps you going at it and that's the
• 1:08:44
  lesson specific to you to your life to my life.
• 1:08:48
  Yes, that's, that's how I, that's the only reason I was
• 1:08:52
  like I said, I went by this, like, I have this channel art,
• 1:08:55
  it's called, don't let art become a chore. or, and Very
• 1:08:59
  much I just go help. I will work on this for this
• 1:09:02
  amount of time or like I play rocket league and in order to
• 1:09:07
  get ranked you have to do 10 matches of unranked play.
• 1:09:10
  And I go, let's just do one match at a time.
• 1:09:13
  Eventually you hit 10 and you're like wow great.
• 1:09:16
  And it's I think it's something that is pretty important.
• 1:09:22
  For people like me who have a hard time seeing long-term
• 1:09:24
  goals. Hmm.
• 1:09:26
  Like I don't know. Like I'm like I'm Never like oh
• 1:09:29
  my podcast is going to blow up if it does I'm like awesome but
• 1:09:33
  I never see it. So instead I go I'll focus on
• 1:09:35
  one thing at a time making the podcast better or I'll Focus one
• 1:09:39
  thing in my career at a time I will I'll learn Linux and then I
• 1:09:44
  will, I don't know. I'm not, I haven't, I need to
• 1:09:48
  learn more into it but just those little steps to kind of
• 1:09:51
  make something big, an artist, they go one line at a time, kind
• 1:09:56
  of, they kind of go like, I don't know.
• 1:09:58
  I don't draw. No, dude, I think you're onto
• 1:10:02
  something here, like I obviously, yes, it's something.
• 1:10:05
  We've heard a million times but I think it's very easy to lose
• 1:10:08
  sight of that. You know, I know I do often, you
• 1:10:11
  know, I've spoken about how I try and focus on making the
• 1:10:14
  content below. Let's be real.
• 1:10:16
  This is a numbers game. Everything you do online.
• 1:10:20
  It's a numbers game. It's impossible to not care
• 1:10:23
  about it on some level because it's the I said this in the live
• 1:10:27
  stream, once that's it is. It's the Kind of the thing that
• 1:10:30
  we use to measure where we're going, you know, like you said
• 1:10:34
  you're coming up to a two year anniversary so naturally you're
• 1:10:37
  kind of going to look like War. How where have I gone in these
• 1:10:40
  two years? Like what's what's the
• 1:10:41
  trajectory? Is it upwards is its fat lining?
• 1:10:44
  Is it going down? What's the pattern?
• 1:10:46
  Because patterns, suggest things as well as suggests, maybe I
• 1:10:49
  should do more of this. Maybe I should do less of this.
• 1:10:52
  Like for example, here's a really good thing to illustrate
• 1:10:55
  my point. I've done episodes of my podcast
• 1:10:59
  where it's just me. Talking I prefer Having guests
• 1:11:06
  on, I think it makes for a much better entertaining podcast.
• 1:11:10
  Don't get me wrong, I think there's plenty of people out
• 1:11:12
  there that can make good podcast with just them being on it.
• 1:11:16
  I've heard it, you know, being executed, I just think generally
• 1:11:21
  it's more interesting to listen to two people talking, in my
• 1:11:25
  opinion and I'm thinking, yeah, and when I've listened back to
• 1:11:28
  my podcast, the ones that I've done that are just me talking
• 1:11:34
  It's, I think I did a good job. I'm still proud of those
• 1:11:38
  episodes, but I just don't think they hold a candle to everything
• 1:11:42
  else that I've done. And then this is not me trying
• 1:11:45
  to be like, on high grade because all the stuff like that.
• 1:11:47
  I'm just saying by comparison. It's not in anywhere in the same
• 1:11:50
  league and the stats kind of suggests that to, I mean, there
• 1:11:56
  have been some exceptions but the exceptions have been for a
• 1:11:59
  reason. Like, for instance, I did an
• 1:12:01
  episode which was like hundredths, Episodes /
• 1:12:05
  anniversary, one year and naturally that's going to get
• 1:12:09
  more views because it's the hundredth episode, you know.
• 1:12:12
  But it was just me talking and I've just noticed those episodes
• 1:12:16
  don't get as many views and that's fair enough.
• 1:12:18
  You know, it's not as this not as good, it's not interesting.
• 1:12:22
  I think it's people see the topic.
• 1:12:24
  Maybe they kind of know what's coming and I'm never, I'm not
• 1:12:28
  going to stop doing those episodes because sometimes
• 1:12:30
  they're necessary. I mean, you get no-shows, it
• 1:12:32
  happens. You gotta put something out
• 1:12:35
  there. Something we had scheduling
• 1:12:37
  issues. Sure, no.
• 1:12:39
  And that's very common in podcast.
• 1:12:40
  I'm just happy we managed to do something because that's the
• 1:12:43
  thing dude. Like and I'll just say this is a
• 1:12:46
  side though because I've only I don't know if I don't know if
• 1:12:49
  I've actually mentioned this on the show before I get a lot of
• 1:12:52
  no-shows as I'm sure you have as well.
• 1:12:55
  It just happens in podcasting and and that's fine if you're
• 1:13:00
  busy. Fine.
• 1:13:02
  But or you know there's something happens reschedule.
• 1:13:05
  I mean like you know, we've scheduled like you said and it
• 1:13:09
  wasn't a problem. But communicate you know you got
• 1:13:15
  to let people know, respect people's that I really respect
• 1:13:18
  people's time because I don't want my time to be wasted.
• 1:13:21
  So like you know I'm not gonna like leave your hanging for 15
• 1:13:24
  minutes, you know, I'm gonna be there on time at the time we
• 1:13:27
  said we're going to record and that's that because I don't want
• 1:13:30
  to waste people's time and I don't I get infuriated when I
• 1:13:33
  get my time wasted. And then that person never gets
• 1:13:37
  back to me and because I sit down, look, that here's a whole
• 1:13:40
  page of notes added just for this episode, you know, it's
• 1:13:43
  like I sit down. I do the research into that
• 1:13:47
  person and then they don't have the respect to just, you know,
• 1:13:52
  get back to me and be like, hey can't do the podcast because of
• 1:13:56
  XY and z or hey like and here's the thing, if you don't want to
• 1:14:00
  be on the show anymore no problem let me know exactly No,
• 1:14:05
  and to start in the chest. Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  It's just disrespectful. Don't waste people's time.
• 1:14:12
  But you know, when, when things like that happen, I think you
• 1:14:16
  just have to kind of get used to it, and understand, it's part of
• 1:14:19
  the game and some now, I kind of tend to, if I, if I have a
• 1:14:24
  no-show or, you know, something like that, I just leave it, you
• 1:14:28
  know, a bit longer, you know, because I haven't actually set
• 1:14:31
  and established day for uploading episodes, I've just
• 1:14:34
  kind of fallen into a kind of rhythm of once a week.
• 1:14:39
  That seems to, you know, may I stay in the started in the
• 1:14:41
  beginning, it was loads to get the numbers, but it wasn't
• 1:14:46
  purposeful. It was just, I had a lot of
• 1:14:49
  guests at that time. I'm actually heading into
• 1:14:52
  November, where I'm going to have more guests as well.
• 1:14:56
  So I'm just gonna, I'm really thought about it.
• 1:14:58
  I had some ideas. Maybe I do like Christmas 12
• 1:15:00
  days thing and now I'm just like, you know, I just do it and
• 1:15:03
  just see what happens you doing. But generally, I prefer that
• 1:15:08
  kind of week-by-week thing. I feel like that's A good Rhythm
• 1:15:13
  for me. It works in my life and it's
• 1:15:15
  less pressure because there's a lot of, obviously, as you know,
• 1:15:17
  that goes into podcasting and from editing, to promo to
• 1:15:21
  everything, it's a process. And if there's too much, it can
• 1:15:24
  get a bit overwhelming, but I don't know.
• 1:15:28
  I think that it's is one of those things.
• 1:15:32
  It's like anything else. It's, you get what you put in,
• 1:15:35
  you know, and I'm very proud of this podcast now.
• 1:15:39
  And any time I see, Created such as yourself.
• 1:15:44
  You know, with the same passion I want to kind of listen to them
• 1:15:49
  talk. I want to get to know them, I
• 1:15:50
  want to share that. And you know, that's why for
• 1:15:54
  instance, that guest I spoke about that didn't have the
• 1:15:57
  enthusiasm being on my show, it annoyed me because it's like
• 1:16:03
  wallet. Your kind of Sabotaging my show
• 1:16:09
  in a way, you know, like no nothing like it, I'm sure.
• 1:16:12
  They didn't mean to but it's just like the people will look
• 1:16:15
  back on that episode and be like, oh, this is this is it,
• 1:16:19
  you know again no, no hard feelings for like I'm sure yeah,
• 1:16:22
  there's nothing worse than, ya know.
• 1:16:23
  He was that's the thing and I had a pony.
• 1:16:26
  I had good questions and I was really trying to get something
• 1:16:30
  out of it, but it goes back to the willingness thing, you know,
• 1:16:35
  it's all about that. It's not.
• 1:16:37
  What about? Like one thing I try to do is
• 1:16:41
  make every guest. I have feel comfortable and feel
• 1:16:44
  like they can talk and feel, you know, there's no agenda here.
• 1:16:48
  It's, you know, you can talk as much as you want, as little as
• 1:16:51
  you want, whatever, as long as we get something out of this,
• 1:16:53
  then it's good. But that episode, I would regard
• 1:16:58
  that as my only Bad episode where I genuinely even now, I'm
• 1:17:04
  like, Should I release that should it stay there?
• 1:17:08
  I don't know. You know I've had some people
• 1:17:12
  mixed you know people still listen to it and got something
• 1:17:15
  from it but I think it's taught me a lesson that I probably
• 1:17:27
  won't if I have another episode like that.
• 1:17:34
  I don't know, I don't know because I feel bad same time
• 1:17:37
  because it's like an hour of someone's life.
• 1:17:40
  So now of my life I've heard that some other podcasters what
• 1:17:44
  they do is, I mean some say that I've heard that some people like
• 1:17:48
  these are Farm know like hey this might not make it onto the
• 1:17:52
  show. the actual form itself that I don't know if I'm a fan
• 1:17:56
  of that, but I think so it could be worth like just going to
• 1:18:01
  helping like, This might not make it.
• 1:18:04
  I don't know. I have this same issue.
• 1:18:05
  No. I know what you mean.
• 1:18:06
  I know what you mean? Yeah.
• 1:18:07
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:18:10
  I mean I thought about doing like a short version.
• 1:18:12
  I thought about I thought about added, I had this idea because
• 1:18:17
  I'm always having ideas about how I could change my podcast
• 1:18:19
  and maybe I don't know spice things up.
• 1:18:22
  Have a different formats, something like that.
• 1:18:25
  I will always keep the space and it keep it keep it fresh.
• 1:18:29
  Keep it different because one thing I really want to do is
• 1:18:33
  more discussion based stuff. I'd love to have a co-host
• 1:18:35
  where, you know, we talked and discussed topics and That would
• 1:18:39
  be a different element to episode.
• 1:18:41
  So you'd have like discussion episodes and then you'd have
• 1:18:46
  interview episodes and I thought about this idea of doing a
• 1:18:51
  hybrid so like when those episodes that don't do well as
• 1:18:53
  well or they're too short, maybe I splice it.
• 1:18:57
  So I have like half of it is me doing discussions on stuff and
• 1:19:01
  half of it is, is that interview?
• 1:19:03
  And I think maybe that's the solution but I just don't know.
• 1:19:07
  Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:19:09
  One step at a time. You try it.
• 1:19:12
  See, I don't know. But yeah, It's Tricky.
• 1:19:15
  That's a tricky one but it's hard to Define what should you
• 1:19:18
  do. As we draw things to a close for
• 1:19:21
  today. Do you have any upcoming
• 1:19:22
  projects or maybe some final thoughts that you'd like to
• 1:19:25
  share with our listeners? Yeah, if you, if you are, if
• 1:19:30
  you're, if you're in well edit, that if you enjoy listening to
• 1:19:34
  me, Linguini's do is my podcast. I am currently.
• 1:19:39
  In the works of a new logo, I'm not a graphic designer but I'm
• 1:19:42
  working on it. I have illustrator open right
• 1:19:44
  here in front of me and then I don't have a website.
• 1:19:47
  Instead of like I have the anchor website.
• 1:19:49
  I still need to make one. I see, Kristen has a link tree
• 1:19:53
  so I, you know, still in the works.
• 1:19:57
  But yeah, I'm figuring out what I want to put it as a niche as I
• 1:20:01
  guess cuz That is where I'm having the most difficulty is
• 1:20:05
  deciding what I want this to be about.
• 1:20:07
  But yeah, if you are interested in, yeah, I think we need to do
• 1:20:10
  just search on Spotify. Google podcast, Apple podcast
• 1:20:14
  whatever you listen on should be there.
• 1:20:17
  So, yeah, go you wait to check it out, guys.
• 1:20:19
  Linguini's do thank you so much for being here London.
• 1:20:22
  It's been a real pleasure and yeah, I wish you all the best.
• 1:20:25
  Yeah, kind of fun. Christian.
• 1:20:27
  Thanks again. Thanks and for everyone
• 1:20:29
  listening to the Christian we podcast.
• 1:20:31
  As always be safe. Be well.
• 1:20:33
  See you in the next one. See you in the next one.