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BONUS: Ohio State vs. USC Pregame LIVE Part 2 · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: All right, we're going to bring in our very special
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  Speaker 1: guest right now. His name is Chuck Mileti. He is
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  Speaker 1: from BuckeyeInsiders.com. Chuck. Hey, guys. Chuck, what is your favorite
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  Speaker 1: thing that we've gotten to do in L.A. so far?
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  Speaker 2: We got wild last night. Tom ate cauliflower, buffalo cauliflower.
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  Speaker 2: You know how we do, guys. It was a wild one.
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  Speaker 2: The Brady Bunch house was certainly interesting. My favorite thing
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  Speaker 2: was going to check out the Coliseum and trying to
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  Speaker 2: take pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Through a black mesh gate which.
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  Speaker 2: Was really rude of them not to at least leave
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  Speaker 2: the front of the place open while they know they
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  Speaker 2: got all these people coming in to see their historic
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  Speaker 2: venue that was a little irritating but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you guys have talked about it the entire exterior
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  Speaker 2: of the stadium is wrapped in black mesh construction because
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  Speaker 2: they're doing things for the upcoming Olympics so know the
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  Speaker 2: exterior of the stadium getting to see all these stadiums
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  Speaker 2: when we travel is one of my favorite parts and
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  Speaker 2: it totally ruined the whole experience for this one but
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  Speaker 2: we did get to see our statues in the front
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  Speaker 2: so that was entertaining.
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  Speaker 3: Well they have wrapped it like it's ohio state's practice
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  Speaker 3: fields are wrapped in the green feds mesh plastic stuff
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  Speaker 3: so you can't see anything it's like this is I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. Is this about protecting, keeping the dust in?
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  Speaker 3: Like what's, what's the deal here? What are you protecting
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  Speaker 3: people from watching here? Can't let them see how we're constructing.
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  Speaker 3: We can't let them see what we're doing over here
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  Speaker 3: with our equipment. Like what's, what's the purpose?
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  Speaker 1: So I think it's probably a combination of a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things. One, the place is locked up because it's
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  Speaker 1: not in the greatest section of LA. I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about the fence. Well, I know, but I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: fence is probably the fence. That's probably related to the
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  Speaker 1: construction in some way. I don't, I've not been here
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  Speaker 1: enough to know if that's always been there. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of times they'll have that around a construction site. So
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  Speaker 1: I may be related to that. Um, Super chat from
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  Speaker 1: TK says, it's great to see Jock, but I was
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  Speaker 1: hoping the special guest was going to be Barry Williams. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: we all were. We all were, but. That's Greg Brady. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody out there. Yes. Yes. He's, what's his name? Danger?
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  Speaker 1: Something Danger? I don't know. He was the one who
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  Speaker 1: fit the suit. Johnny Danger or whatever it was. No,
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  Speaker 1: Johnny Bravo? No. Are you talking about the Brady Bunch?
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  Speaker 1: The Brady Bunch. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I know when he was hoaxing you up. Too
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  Speaker 3: impressive or too scary. Do you think, is there like
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  Speaker 3: a Happy Days house in Wisconsin?
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  Speaker 1: Only one way to find out. Google.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Google is the answer. Yes. Yes. And Robert says, Tom's
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  Speaker 1: back on the cauliflower. You make so good, man. Yeah, listen.
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  Speaker 1: It was buffalo. It was buffalo cauliflower. So, yes. It was,
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  Speaker 1: it was, it needed a vegetable after we had our
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  Speaker 1: lunch at In-N-Out yesterday. In-N-Out is mostly vegetables. Is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of lettuce and tomato. Define mostly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's an entire slice of like, yeah, an
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  Speaker 3: entire portion of onion. You know, it's not a couple
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  Speaker 3: of rings of onion. It's the entire slice of the onion.
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  Speaker 3: And then you got tomato. You got big lettuce. And
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  Speaker 3: shout out to In-N-Out for staying with the whole lettuce,
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  Speaker 3: the lettuce leaves, rather than doing the Wendy's bowl of
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  Speaker 3: the shredded lettuce, which is just R.I.P.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Thompson. And we have that segment done, our Scarlet
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  Speaker 1: and Grub segment, where we compared our trip to Whataburger
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  Speaker 1: in Texas to In-N-Out in California. I think that'll go up.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to throw that up for our members at
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  Speaker 1: Buckeye Insiders today. They'll probably go up on the YouTube
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  Speaker 1: channel tomorrow, I would guess, at this point, because we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have plenty more stuff when we get over
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  Speaker 1: to the stadium. So, Jock, to you, what is the most...
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  Speaker 1: What is going to determine the winner of this game
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  Speaker 1: other than who scores more points? What is the element
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  Speaker 1: of this game or the positional battle or whatever that's
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  Speaker 1: going to determine who wins this game tonight?
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  Speaker 2: My initial reaction earlier on in the week was protecting
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  Speaker 2: Luke Fahey. But I do think Ohio State's going to
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  Speaker 2: do a generally good enough job with that. I think
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  Speaker 2: the determining factor here is how Jaden Maiava performs and
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  Speaker 2: how he gets that offense rolling. I think that he,
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  Speaker 2: more than his performance, if we're just talking one guy,
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  Speaker 2: one thing, his performance in this game, if he can
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  Speaker 2: have a bounce-back game, then I think they absolutely can
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  Speaker 2: stay in it and have a chance.
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  Speaker 1: To win it. That Wisconsin game is so hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to ignore. It is.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen him play well in other games, and he
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  Speaker 3: has the weapons and.
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  Speaker 1: We have not mentioned Jay Chemin's name yet on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe we were waiting for you. Now things can get
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  Speaker 3: serious and we can take a downturn on the optimism.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 2: You were waiting for me today? Because yesterday, guys, they
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  Speaker 2: didn't tell me Jay Chemin was out.
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  Speaker 1: He's not out. He's just gone from questionable to doubtful.
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  Speaker 1: So that's not great. And it's not like we were
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  Speaker 1: trying to keep it from you. Like, hey, don't tell Jock.
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  Speaker 1: But they....
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  Speaker 3: I'm still wondering, and we all are because we don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's not going to play. And so then
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  Speaker 3: do they do what they did against Illinois with Caleb Calhoun,
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  Speaker 3: which you know at that point they're going to attack him.
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  Speaker 1: But they're going to attack whoever they.
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  Speaker 3: Put in to replace Jay Timmons or replace Jermaine Matthews,
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  Speaker 3: who's replacing Jay Timmons. So they've got to, I think,
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  Speaker 3: help whoever that person is, whether that is Caleb Calhoun,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's Jordan Thomas, whether it is Simi Caldwell, Miles Lockhart,
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, Dominic Kelly.
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  Speaker 1: We have not heard his name in forever. Maybe he's outside.
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  Speaker 3: Whoever that person is is going to be attacked relentlessly,
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  Speaker 3: I would think, in this game. Then you've got USA
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  Speaker 3: just moving guys around to find that matchup against that fish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they're going to be aggressive at
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  Speaker 1: going at whoever... And we haven't talked about, we should
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  Speaker 1: hit the availability report right now because this is sort
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  Speaker 1: of related to our interests here. I have it somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: I have, right now in my computer, my computer is
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  Speaker 1: just a whole bunch of photos of old TV houses
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  Speaker 1: and movie houses. So, all right, let's see if we
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  Speaker 1: can put this up there. And here we go. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll put this up there. And then, yeah, Chuck and
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  Speaker 1: I and Tony are squeezed off to the side, but
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  Speaker 1: that's okay. For Ohio State, out Leroy Roker, out Julian Sane,
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  Speaker 1: out Brock Boyd. Brenton, Nicky Jones, special teams, Dynamo. He's out.
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  Speaker 1: Jacoby Jackson out. Sean Stewart out. Amari Valerio Hudson out.
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  Speaker 1: Eli Lee out. Jackson Powell out. Max LeBlanc out. Jay
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  Speaker 1: Timmons doubtful. Brandon Innes questionable. Jay Timmons, the notable thing
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  Speaker 1: there is he has gone from questionable to doubtful, which
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  Speaker 1: is not trending in the right direction. The more interesting
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  Speaker 1: thing on the USC side is Hayden Teeter, number 68,
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  Speaker 1: the left guard from last week. He's out. So that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be Uh, Edward Houston, watch this space is my, uh,
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  Speaker 1: my advice to you on that might be an Edward
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  Speaker 1: Houston game today, but the guys who are questionable there,
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  Speaker 1: the top three names, Jakeem Stewart, defensive tackle. He's kind
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  Speaker 1: of their version of Edward Houston. What is he going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to do? Cause he could, he could
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  Speaker 1: make life absolutely a living hell on Carson Hinsman and
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  Speaker 1: Luke Montgomery, or if he's not in there and boy,
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  Speaker 1: that changes things a little bit in terms of what
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  Speaker 1: the push might look like in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: defensive line for USC tight end, Mark Bowman, true freshmen.
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  Speaker 1: He was looking like an immediate impact guy, true freshman,
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  Speaker 1: had multiple catches, and I think their first five or
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  Speaker 1: six games had, I think, five catches for 70 yards
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  Speaker 1: or something like that against Oregon. Six catches twice, yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a really impactful guy. And if he plays, he could
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  Speaker 1: create a real, real matchup issue, potentially, because Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: just hasn't faced anyone like that. And then Sean Alston,
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  Speaker 1: who was the sort of RB2 guy last week for USC,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio native, true freshman. They weren't able to do anything
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  Speaker 1: on the ground. He rushed seven times for 28 yards,
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  Speaker 1: which is four yards to carry, which, based on how
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  Speaker 1: everyone else was running for USC last week, was basically
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  Speaker 1: like a Barry Sanders performance. So, you know, Chuck, I
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  Speaker 1: know you have been talking about Mark Bowman a bunch. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: Chuck's walking away for a second. I got you. Okay, Chuck,
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  Speaker 1: the Mark Bowman performance is someone I know that you
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  Speaker 1: have talked about a bunch this week as a guy
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  Speaker 1: who could be a difference maker. And I feel like
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  Speaker 1: he's a name that we probably haven't talked about enough
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  Speaker 1: all week because we didn't know if he was going
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  Speaker 1: to play or not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Mark Bowman, if he truly doesn't play,
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  Speaker 2: that would be a big deal for the Buckeyes because
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a supplementation for Mark Bowman. It's either
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  Speaker 2: you got Mark Bowman or you don't have this threat.
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  Speaker 2: And that's just adding one more thing to.
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  Speaker 1: Jaden Maiava's disposal.
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  Speaker 2: Be able to beat Ohio State that they're not used
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  Speaker 2: to having to deal with this year and we don't
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  Speaker 2: I mean we've seen over the years so many times
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  Speaker 2: not that that matters for today's game but just death
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  Speaker 2: by a thousand cuts with a good tight end and
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  Speaker 2: Mark Bowman is a guy who's not just a dude
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  Speaker 2: like that but he's an explosive tight end he can
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  Speaker 2: take it 40 yards at any given time and that
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  Speaker 2: would be a real real big one when I look
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  Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball at Shaquem Stewart
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  Speaker 2: When we look at Carson Hinsman, I think that Carson
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  Speaker 2: Hinsman mostly struggles when we're talking about oversized guys, the
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  Speaker 2: 330 pounders, the 340 pounders, because he is a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a smaller center with quicker guys like Stewart,
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  Speaker 2: who's both quick, long and fast.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is a better matchup for.
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  Speaker 2: Hinsman than one of the big war daddy type 330 pounders, actually.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel pretty good about about his eyes with
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  Speaker 2: Stewart tonight. The Stewart is a hell of a player.
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  Speaker 2: That is interesting here with Bowman and Stewart on that,
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  Speaker 2: on that as questionable. I think that the Bowman one
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  Speaker 2: is more impactful for Ohio state.
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  Speaker 3: The well, real quick on Bowman, because Jack and I
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  Speaker 3: are both in time where you're probably as well.
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  Speaker 1: Don't pay for freshman tight ends. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They pay, you know, $ 6 million or whatever. And, and
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  Speaker 3: he's played five games. He's got 21 catches and everybody
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  Speaker 3: loves him, but two touchdowns on the season, 200 yards
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  Speaker 3: receiving and has been dealing with injuries.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that that's working out.
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  Speaker 3: Like everybody would love to have them, but I don't
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  Speaker 3: know anybody's willing to pay 6 million or $ 2 million
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  Speaker 3: a year for the production that he's getting right now,
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  Speaker 3: which I could look at Nate Roberts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's going to be comparable or Nate Roberts and
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  Speaker 1: somebody is going to be comparable. Yeah. TK just wants
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  Speaker 1: to let you know, Chuck, you are really framing up
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  Speaker 1: your superior hotel room art piece. Chuck is just a
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  Speaker 1: floor or so down from us. But yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I think he he won the. We can only do
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  Speaker 1: so much getting two people together. Yeah. Yeah. Frame all
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  Speaker 1: you want. Yeah. Yeah. They got to squeeze their heads
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  Speaker 1: in yesterday. We were missing half of each head.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need to go back. I found already dead
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  Speaker 1: and ruined the lighting. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Um, it's best Western.
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  Speaker 1: No, we're, we're Hilton guys. We are Hilton guys. And,
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to give you a little life hack. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: when you can find a Hampton Inn, Hampton Inns are
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  Speaker 1: great because the breakfast is extremely consistent and it's free.
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  Speaker 1: This is, this is the lesson you learn, uh, traveling
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  Speaker 1: with youth sports constantly. Like if you go to the
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  Speaker 1: random hotel chain and, you could get anything. It could
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  Speaker 1: cost a bunch of money. It could be terrible. Hampton
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  Speaker 1: Inns are the most consistently B minus breakfast in the
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  Speaker 1: hotel industry. B minus isn't great. It's, it's never an A,
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  Speaker 1: but it's never a D. It's never a, you go
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  Speaker 1: downstairs and the kids go, I don't want any of this.
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  Speaker 1: Like they got waffles. They got eggs. They got oatmeal.
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  Speaker 1: They got cereal. They've got like, they got a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. It's like, there's, you want, you want a muffin?
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  Speaker 1: You want a bagel? Like they got it. It's fine. It, Yogurt,
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  Speaker 1: you get a yogurt, a piece of fruit, whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: Who are the people who come down and get the
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: hard-boiled eggs? I don't know. And you know what? The
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  Speaker 1: Hampton Inn had commercials a couple years ago about their breakfast.
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  Speaker 1: And in the commercial, there was a creepy old lady
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  Speaker 1: who said, You want some eggs to make your bones strong?
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  Speaker 1: And so it's like they know that hard-boiled eggs are
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  Speaker 1: weird and creepy for breakfast, and yet they're serving them. Like,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: what's going on with that? Also pet-friendly. Maybe that's what
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: the hard-boiled eggs are for. That could be. Grab one
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: for your dog. That could be. As I'm saying out
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  Speaker 1: loud that they have a consistently B-minus breakfast, I'm thinking, boy,
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  Speaker 1: I think I may have just shot ourselves in the
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  Speaker 1: foot in terms of Hampton becoming a sponsor, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: We do have a sponsor already, so thanks to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at Hampton. Not a breakfast sponsor. That's true. We're
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  Speaker 1: working on that. You want to be the head breakfast
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  Speaker 1: coach at that position? We can have a breakfast sponsor
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  Speaker 1: if we really want one. Work that out. You know
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  Speaker 1: a guy?
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  Speaker 3: So you mentioned, Jakeem Stewart, that portion, the Luke Waveful
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  Speaker 3: against the Ohio State offensive tackles is also going to
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  Speaker 3: be interesting because the Austin Cerebell situation, the Phil Bain situation,
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  Speaker 3: and Ian Moore having his struggles this season.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very interested to see how.
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  Speaker 3: He does Waveful getting after a quarterback who should be
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  Speaker 3: able to elude him enough, but how much pressure does
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  Speaker 3: he create in terms of just disrupting the offense of
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  Speaker 3: what it is intended to do? What are you expecting
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  Speaker 3: there for Wafle today, who is another big-money freshman who
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  Speaker 3: I think almost a Buckeye until USC came in with
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  Speaker 3: that last offer?
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  Speaker 1: Without a doubt, without a doubt.
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  Speaker 2: He gave the Buckeyes his commitment, and then he changed
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  Speaker 2: his mind six hours later. And that one was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when I look at that, A lot of irritation with
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State fans as to how that went down and
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  Speaker 2: that Ohio State didn't go further and harder.
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  Speaker 1: Against USC to try to make sure that happened.
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  Speaker 2: And I look at that one similar to David Gabriel
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  Speaker 2: George when you're dealing with a desperate program and it's
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  Speaker 2: a really high-profile player. The coach and the staff that
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: are in charge, they get so many extra brownie points
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  Speaker 2: on top of the player with the fan base. They
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  Speaker 2: get the energy with the fan base. And when they
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  Speaker 2: got the money, you're just not going to beat them
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  Speaker 2: unless you go to an irresponsible level. But the good
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  Speaker 2: news that came out of that one is that Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State said, all right, we're going to go back to
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  Speaker 2: the next class.
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  Speaker 1: And what do they do?
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  Speaker 2: They get DJ Jacobs in this next class, who is
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  Speaker 2: a better prospect than Luke Wafle.
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  Speaker 1: So all in all, that worked out great.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think this is a great subplot here
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  Speaker 2: with Wafle against Ohio State because it got pretty personal
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  Speaker 2: with Wafle after that. between Ohio State fans and him
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  Speaker 2: and his mom came out and made some statements and
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  Speaker 2: some tweets. And it was, I think that he is
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  Speaker 2: definitely going to be trying to make his imprint on
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  Speaker 2: this game.
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  Speaker 1: I think that so far this.
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  Speaker 2: Year, his stats, I think he's third on the team
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  Speaker 2: in tackles, which is excellent from the defensive end spot.
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  Speaker 2: And he has certainly been impactful, maybe not to the
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  Speaker 2: level that a lot of people thought sacks wise, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever going to be the type
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  Speaker 2: of guy that wrecks a ton of sacks. That's not
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  Speaker 2: really his game. He's more of a Kenyatta type defensive end.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that this is a really interesting one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he he makes me nervous. I'll be quite honest.
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  Speaker 2: The physique is a lot of it, guys. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's just such a unit. It's hard to look at
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  Speaker 2: him and not be like, man. But he's not the
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  Speaker 2: only one on that defensive line that makes me nervous.
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  Speaker 2: They got the one dude that looked just like Kenyatta
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  Speaker 2: at a BC or something. He's a monster as well.
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  Speaker 2: But definitely Waifu is one that I think could factor
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  Speaker 2: into the plot here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I think I want to sort of go
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: back to the Waifu and David Gabriel George thing because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think everyone probably saw the David Gabriel
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  Speaker 1: George highlights on Twitter last night. Still good at football,
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  Speaker 1: David Gabriel George. Luke Waifu tonight, I think people are
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  Speaker 1: going to see him. They're going to see Jakeem Stewart
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to sort of shake their fists at
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  Speaker 1: the sky at why aren't these guys at Ohio State?
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  Speaker 1: And the most important word that you said there was irresponsible. Like,
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  Speaker 1: When you're going up against someone who is desperate, and
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  Speaker 1: that can be Josh Heupel at Tennessee, or that can
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: be Lincoln Riley at USC, the primary concern is you
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: have to win immediately. You have to win, you have
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: to win immediately. It's a little bit of Jim Harbaugh,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: 2021 Big Ten Media Days, you're going to win or
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: you're going to die trying. At that point, you have
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: to just push all your chips in. Ohio State, culturally,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't have, you know, Ohio State culturally doesn't have to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: do that. They're still winning at a high level without
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: having to do, you know, make some of the crazy promises,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: crazy guarantees that other schools maybe have to make. Not
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: that Ohio State's not paying players, but Ohio State sort
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: of philosophically wants to pay guys based on what they've done,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: not based on, well, you're really good and we think
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you're going to be good and you're set the market.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Because I think they've made that mistake. You know, Ethan Oneanu,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: they paid Ethan Oneanu and a whole mess of money
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And then that sort of set the market for what
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you have to pay an Ohio State offensive lineman. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: you paid him that and he didn't do anything. So
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I think they've probably learned their lesson there. And you
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: can't finish in baseball. I forget which GM it was,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: but there was a GM a couple of years ago
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: who said, if you're perfectly rational in the free agent market,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you're going to finish third on every free agent. So
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you can't be perfectly rational in the market, but also
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you have to recognize there is the sort of big
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: picture cultural piece of that where you're not going to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: get everyone. Because, you know, Ohio State has a lot
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: of resources, but you can't outbid everyone for everyone. So,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: especially when people are desperate and being a little bit
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: probably irresponsible. And you have to recognize the programs that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: you're going against as well. That's the biggest thing. Biggest thing.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Number one. Yep. Yeah, and Tennessee is going to do that.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: And going after an in-state Tennessee running back, you know,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: where there's a reason there's a connection there and just
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: makes things much more difficult. And Ohio State is this,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: a couple of defensive line classes they've got coming in,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: certainly not cheap at all. But you got to pick
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: your battles correctly and you got to know who you're facing.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: And then you look at USC and we'll see what
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: happens to them this year. But what's the return on
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: this investment bet on all of these recruits?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Now, the 2027, 2026 class is not about 2026. Right.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: they're playing them. So they're going to go through some struggles.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: It's about 27, 28, but is Lincoln rally going to
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: be there in 27 and 28 and really do the
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: people at the top when they're committing this money to
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the program, they're committing it to build a roster. They're
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: not committing it to Lincoln rally that the next guy
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: can do the job there if they want to get
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: rid of it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And the next guy is, this is a very
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: attractive job. If they do decide to move on from
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Lincoln rally, say Ohio state wins tonight, you got a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: week off, maybe move on then. you have Indiana after that,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: if you lose to Indiana, maybe move on then. Like,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think you're going to, I think they're going to
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: at some point decide to move on unless they run
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the table moving, you know, maybe if they finish nine
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: and three, but I think. Is eight and four? I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: think eight and four is, they've invested enough and eight
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and four is a very, you know, you look at
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the bowl games they've gone to and it was like
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the first year he was there, it was a cotton ball.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And then it's what, there was a Las Vegas bowl.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: They were at the holiday bowl and they, were at
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: what the Alamo Bowl last year we watched them lose
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to someone last year TCU I think at the at
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the Alamo Bowl last year the tire shop taco ball
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: yeah oh man you know what fine let's we'll skip
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: right to that I have a question we have a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: question here from yeah Billy Tuesday not a question But
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a statement, take advantage of good Mexican food. And we
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: went out last night. We had a member event. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: before we went to the member event, we thought, well,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: we'll just grab a little grab a little food on
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the street. And this was we went to like you
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: can go to a restaurant if if you are, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: if you're not that into the actual local scene, you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: can go to a restaurant. We went to a place
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: that was under a tent next to a tire shop.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I think it was literally called Tire Shop Tacos. and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: uh got just street tacos uh i got asada and
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: uh chorizo you got asada and what else uh pastor
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: pastor uh we both uh both let jug steal off
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: of our plates and uh i mean it was it
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: was like a 12 out of 10 experience uh and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: extremely reasonably priced and uh yes so yes we don't
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: worry we we have had multiple people essentially threaten us
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: if we did not go and go get uh Get
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: some good street tacos. It has been multiple people. It
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: has been multiple people. But, you know, I mean, Jack,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: you are in the restaurant business and nothing against restaurants. But, man,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: it always to me feels like if you see a
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: place that's like you drive past it, it's like on
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the street. It's like a food truck that's like in
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a bad neighborhood. It's like, I bet that's really, really good.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Before Jack starts, as soon as we parked and opened
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: the doors, the smell of the food truck.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have some thoughts on our experience last night
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: with the side of the road tire shop, uh, Mexican tacos,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: which number one, I didn't realize we were getting, I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: thought you guys were just taking pictures and we were
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: walking to dinner, which turned out to be a dive
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: bar that was too loud to talk, which, which was terrible,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: but we ended up at a great spot. But my
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: favorite part of the night I think was eating and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: thank you guys for sharing your tacos.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Um, I have never experienced good Mexican food like that.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: That was a first for me, and it's totally changed
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: my opinion, number one, on the.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Corn tortilla, which I thought I hated.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I watched this little woman hand make these corn tortillas,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: and they were absolutely delicious coming off hot like that.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Totally different experience than any I've ever had. Of course,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the guts of everything were amazing. They had the the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: meat hanging. I mean, it was, it was awesome for
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: such a dingy little setup, but like anything, you know,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: when you look, when you looked at the employees, when
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: you looked at the crew, similar to in and out,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: when you look at that crew, you knew that was
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: going to be good because they were all on top
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of their game.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: They had a good system going.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: They were all hustling and they were all smiling, which
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: is exactly what we saw at in and out, which
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: is really what makes the difference to me in a
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: restaurant experience, not the, not the location.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Not the looks, but it's that and the food, obviously.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: But the food looks good and tastes good when you've
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: got employees who care.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was our, we always end up, like
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: when we were in Dallas, we went to Fuel City Tacos,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: which is like a taco place just built into a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: gas station. That's always good. And barbecue places that are,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: you know, you drive past the Cinderblock Bar, barbecue place
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: along the side of the highway in some small Texas town.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: You're like, man, that is going to be life changing. Yeah.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: You drive by so many places. Like I bet the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: food there is great. I bet. What was the, the, the,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the salmon. Oh yeah. There was, there was a, a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: fan that we drove past in Crenshaw yesterday. That was
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: some kind of salmon tacos or something. And it was like, man,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: if you were selling salmon tacos by the side of
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the street in Crenshaw, like man, man, I bet those
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: are incredible. And we had just eaten it in and out.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: And so we didn't stop. But it was like, man,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I bet those are life altering. Yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: When we were in Austin, we had a get together,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: a member site get together. And there's a food truck
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: at the bar there. And those are the best tacos
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: I've ever had. And I was sad when they closed
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: the window. I just saw them closing the window.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And I was like, no. Like, you know, you've been
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: left at the orphanage.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: And the parents are leaving and driving away.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And you just see the door on the little taco
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: shop door. and you're like, mother. So this might be
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: my favorite comment ever from anyone.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: It's from our wonderful friend Doreen.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: She says, Mexico has the best Mexican food. It feels
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like they probably need to be disqualified. It's like, you know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it's like going to Italy and being like, man, the
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Italian food here is pretty good. It's like, well, first
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: of all, it's false food. But second of all, yes.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: But third of all, obviously. But true.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, having been to Epcot Center, I can tell
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you that the Mexican food and the Mexican portion of
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Epcot is very, very good.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So I can confirm, completely confirm what Dory was saying.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: You have the big fake volcano there?
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: It's only, I mean, yes, and then you can also
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: take a little boat ride around. Yeah.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So, fantastic. But also, there's also a little side cantina
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: there where I had quesadillas, which were not anything like
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: a quesadilla that you could have at Taco Bell. So...
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: authentic because it's different to tackle bell. So we have a,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this is a recruiting comment. So we'll let Chuck weigh
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: in on this one. Clever and witty says, I'd like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: to get that running back from Georgia, that new kid
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: on the radar. He's twitchy. Who are we, who are
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: we talking about here? So two running backs from Georgia
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: that are currently on the board.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say really on the board. Obviously Nigel
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Newkirk is from Gainesville, Georgia. And we know that he's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: been on the radar and was scheduled for an official visit,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: but did not make it. ended up committing to Alabama.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: He will now be in next week for the Oregon
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: game as Carlos Laughlin has continued to work on him.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: He's a top 100 overall guy, but the guy that
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: he's referencing is Don Mincy. He's like the number 1800
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: player in the country. He is a kid that is
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: committed to Georgia State who recently has been getting some
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: big time buzz in the recruiting world. He visited Miami.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: He visited Georgia. Neither of them offered because they're full.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Ohio State has made contact. I did a film breakdown
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: on him.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: He's a dude.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: But the most recent offer in the running back world
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: for Carlos Laughlin has gone to Texas State commit Daylon Gordon,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: who is a similar mold to Don Mincy. We're talking
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: two guys that are 5'9, 195, the type of guys
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that I feel like, like the Kalen Blacks, that I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: don't feel like Ohio State has been getting. Guys that
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: have a little more pop. What everybody else, what everybody's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: kind of been looking for out of the Ohio State backfield.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: but are natural running backs, unlike a legend Bay, who
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I consider more of a weapon than a natural running back.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: These guys are both three down running backs, but a
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: little bit smaller. And I think that either one of
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: them in the class would be a big win. That's
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Don Mincy out of Georgia and Dalen Gordon out of Texas.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Dalen Gordon, a high rated prospect, number 430 in the country.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So right on the verge of getting that fourth star
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and committed to Texas State, Ohio State, Arizona State in
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: on him. And I think that that is the one
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: right there that we may see some, uh, some action
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: here pretty soon with.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: You even said, I think before these offers, like you,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: higher state needs one of these five, nine guys, it's
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: fast and quick.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And then boom, boom, boom. They started offering them. So kudos. Yeah. Um,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: speaking of places we need to give kudos, uh, Southeast day, glory,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a day go says Tudor's chicken biscuit. NIL. Like, listen,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: we don't do a West Virginia podcast, but if we
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: did to Tudor's biscuit world, call me like a, Jock,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: have you been to Tudor's Biscuit World? No, I've not. Okay.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: It is a West Virginia staple. I think it's only
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in West Virginia, but they probably have- A thousand? Well,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I think they have like six locations at least. It's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: kind of around the state and you can get them
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: in any of the major cities, but also a lot
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the places sort of along the highway, you'll see them.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: It is just biscuits. It is not health food. It
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is- Tudor's Biscuit World is a sometimes food, but that sometimes,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: when he sometimes hits, it is delightful. I am partial
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to the Thundering Herd. That is my personal favorite there.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: But it is like really, really good buttery biscuits and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: then like breakfast sandwiches on them. And man, as the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: guy who is generally driving his family around, and if
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: we stop at one of these, it's like, boy, it's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: going to be a real shame when I take a
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: nap at 70 miles an hour on the highway here.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: But it is... It gives you the, if you have
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: time to eat and then take a good 20-minute power
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: nap afterwards, it is phenomenal. Well, that's great. One of
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: our other road trips we'll take, we'll cook out in
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the south. Oh, yeah. And I don't know if you've
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: been to cookout.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: It's not a great driving food because you get it
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: in a styrofoam container, so you've got to rest it
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: on your leg next to the door and you're steering.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: But also, a fantastic way to get two people's meals
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: for like eighteen dollars yeah like enormous meals where it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: like what would you like as a side i'd like
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: a quesadilla as a side to my actual meal like
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: it's it's a uh we will at some point if
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: ohio state ends up in the peach.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Bowl we will definitely drive down and we'll hit a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: uh hit a cookout on our way down there that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is that's another one where oh i'm going to tennessee
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in a couple months oh it might be cookout o'clock That's,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: oh man, I love cookout. That might be my favorite
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: regional little fast food spot. So we do have some
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: questions I want to get through. here uh a fantastic
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: question here from jordan capler why can't osu send julian
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: out there and use the jugs machine there's no rule
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: that says a machine can't play football either a jugs
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: machine or a golden retriever i don't know jug which
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: would you think would be more beneficial for ohio state
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: a golden retriever or a jugs machine.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Today Um, I've had enough of, of dogs, uh, around
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: football with Kirk Herbstreet deal. Like I've had about enough
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of it, man. It's, it's only so cute for so long. Uh,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: so we'll go with the jugs machine.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Fair. Um, Uh, new ski says, uh, seeing, this is a, uh,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Luke Fahey, seeing him in Mac level games of practice,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: completely different than playing in a hostile environment against a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: big 10 team. I guess we will see. And that's hostile. Well,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that's sort of the question. It's going to be, it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: not a familiar environment or not a particularly familiar. I
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: don't know. I know USC really didn't recruit him. So
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's, I would assume he's probably
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: gone to a game here at some point, but not,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: you know, this is not his like beloved. As far
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: as I know. I think the defense will be more
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: hostile than the crowd. That's the real hostility here that
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: they'll be facing is that pass rush. And we need
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to see more from the rest of the linebackers. I
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: like Desmond Stephens. He flies around. He gets some criticism.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: They're one of their top linebackers.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: The secondary to me is just guys at this point.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: So if there is time to throw, I think Ohio
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: State will be okay. And if they want to double
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: up Jeremiah and bracket him, then yeah. A guy like
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Phillip Bell, Chris Henry Jr., those guys got to make plays.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I think Phillip Bell, with Brandon Innes being questionable and
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Brock Boyd being out, Phillip Bell could be a guy
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: back home in California who also has a big day.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Yep. Kirk Webb wants to know, how am I supposed
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to take the kids trick-or-treating when the game kicks off
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: at 5.30 my time and the chili is ready? Oh,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: my gosh. How old are the kids?
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Like, once you're four. I was out running around by
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: myself by four, you know? And I turned out fine.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I turned out fine.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: I turned out fine. The phrase you're looking for there
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: is cautionary tale. I will say, as someone whose kids
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: are now no longer trick-or-treat with dad age, do it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Enjoy it. It does not last forever. I'm sure Chuck
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: is in a similar boat to me. With the chili.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: The chili, too, yes. The chili will be there. Take
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: your time. And you know what? Here's what I would
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: do sometimes when I was doing that. If there was
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: a game that I wanted to watch, just pause the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: TV at the start of the game and then watch it. Now,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: you have to stay off social media, which is an
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: added bonus, but you get to go ahead and then
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: just watch the game. Pause it. Just don't talk to anyone,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: especially if you're a couple hours away. It looks like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: you're mountain time zone, so I'm guessing that the Ohio
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: State game will not be the front of mind thing
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: for everyone in your neighborhood. But trick-or-treat with your kids
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and watch the game when you get home. I want
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: to weigh in on this time. Save me some of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the chili. Go ahead, Jock. Yeah, for Kirk.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I have had, you know, when my kids were younger,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: a couple very selfish Halloweens, and I really regret it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: So go with the kids. All right. So there you go.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: We've guilted Kirk into being a good dad. Blue Guy says,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I'm so used to all the noon games that we
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: have that I'm starting to hate us having night games
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: because it means I'm going to be so nervous and
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: anxious all day long. Which is why I'm having a few. Listen,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: it's 5 o'clock somewhere.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: It's 8.46 in the morning, sir.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not having a few. Yeah, I think Ohio State
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: fans are probably just about done with having noon games
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: at home and night games on the road. We'll see.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: The Oregon game we know next week is 3.30. There's
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: been widespread speculation that the Northwestern game might be a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: night game, but we will probably find that out on Monday,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but We'll see. We are sitting around all day here
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: as well. I want to add to that, Tom.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: This is the reason I know a lot of Buckeye
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: fans would love to see just once the game played
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: in the evening.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I'm with Blue Sky Star here.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: There is no way that the way I feel like
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: waiting till noon for that game is so long. I
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: can't imagine waiting for a 730 kick all day. It's
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: just like a it's an unenjoyable day leading into that
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: game and it takes forever nonstop anxiety. It's so consequential
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: who know, well, some people think it doesn't matter anymore. It,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: you know, it might as well be Kansas city and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Buffalo in week five, but yeah, I'm, I, I, I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: don't want like the night games are certainly I'm used
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: to the noons too. And this is almost feels really
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: strange to me that we've still got, I mean, a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: long way till kick time on Saturday here.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not normally doing pregame shows at 7.30 a.m.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: local time. No, I just mentioned having a few.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: And a 7.30 kickoff for Ohio State-Michigan, the amount of
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: having a few.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think everyone would be the best fans in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the land if they played 7.30 p.m.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Now, hey, there's always the opportunity to play each other
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: in a Big Ten championship game.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: If you want a night game, earn it, is what
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I would say. Go earn it. She also says one
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of the Michigan channels is having a hate watch party
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: tonight for the game, but we would be doing the
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: same if it was reversed. Yeah. What time is the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Michigan Rutgers game? Is that a noon? Maybe. I can't
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: imagine it's big noon. No, no. Big noon is actually.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's the BTN 1215 or 1230 game. Something
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like that. I believe. Yeah. 1230. I think you're right. Yeah.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Sue also in the boat of Haiti waiting for the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: night games. A conversation about height around Luke Fahey. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I know that's been a hot topic. Mr. Bucknut says,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Julie is only an inch or two taller. And I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: heard Luke is five foot 11 or six feet. I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: have stood, I have not stood next to like directly
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: next to Luke Fahey. I'm six two. I have stood
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: directly next to Julian saying, and like paid attention to
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: how tall is he? And he's like about that much
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: shorter than me. So he's, he is a legitimate six one.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I don't, I, I don't think Fahey is like, you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: can find pictures where he's a little, hunched over and
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: sit next to offensive lineman. And he looks like it's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: take your kid to work day. But I think he
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: is legitimately Ohio state generally doesn't screw around with the measurements. So,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, Chuck, is he, have you, have you stood
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: next to Luke Fahey? I have not. Yeah.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Luke Fahey is about five 11 and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: a quarter, five 11 and a half.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: And when you look at him next to Julian in pictures,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I try to go by, you know, the eyes.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Luke's got big hair, but just kind of go by
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the eyes.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: And his eyes are about, you know, set maybe an
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: inch and a half down lower than Julian's.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it all lines up. As I do agree,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Julian is a true 6'1.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: And, you know, for some reason, Julian always, I thought,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: looked a little smaller to people than he actually was.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's the baby face.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: But Vahey, being a bit stockier, also looks a little
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: bit shorter than I think he really is out there.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: It is a really funny look when you see some
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of the pictures of him under center.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it looks really funny. But as a shorter
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: guy myself, I'm certainly rooting for Luke.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the issues for, for just
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Julian saying is that a lot of his photos early
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: on were next to like, well, Howard, who's six, four,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: it looks shorter there.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: And then Faye, I can, We can compare him to
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Tate Martell, who was a 5'10, 5'11, quarterback. Was he?
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Well, the first time I ever saw Tate Martell in person,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: they were bringing him out for interviews. They allow us
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: to interview all of the early enrollees. And he's coming
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: out with staffers, and he looked like one of the staffers.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: He did not look like a football player. Luke Fahey's
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a football player. I think you can tell that.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Similar height, but as you said, like, different builds for sure.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: And I've never mistaken Luke Fahey for a staffer.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: No, no. Is this a sports information staffer or a quarterback? Yeah. Mr.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Bucknut says this is a playoff game for USC, telling
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you all that. Oh, yeah. 100%.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: And I still think, you know, if they lose it,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: are they out? They've got a couple of good games
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: after this in Indiana and UCLA. So if they win those,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: maybe they're back in.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: But, like....
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: If this program, Chuck, is going to show anything, it
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: has to be in this one. You're not going to
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: suddenly pick things up after this and be like, all right, well,
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: let's just finish strong.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: If they're going to put up a fight, it's going
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to be here today.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And I think when we talk about Lincoln, this is
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: more about how they play and how they can bounce
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: back from this rather than, you know, as far as
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: like his job security, rather than wins and losses from
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: here on out. Certainly, 8-4 sounds like a disaster, but again,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: we talked on yesterday's show, their win total was 8.5.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: They have done an excellent job recruiting. Their core is
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: young talent.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: If you see this young talent come out from that
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Wisconsin game and respond in a positive way, and these
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: guys play and look like they're rallying around their coach
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and look like they're in games, they're playing better, they're
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: improving defensively. If we see things look like it's trending
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: in a positive direction on the football field, I think
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that Jen Cohen and the USC brass has a really
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: big decision on their hands.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's automatic that he's out of there
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: at eight and four.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: If we see it trending positively, I don't anticipate that happening,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: but you know, it's an interesting discussion.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: There are different kinds of losses, and there are losses
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: that get John Cooper fired because it's time, and there
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: are losses where, well, you were this close, so let's
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: keep building on it. The Matt Rule losses, perhaps, if
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: you will, where it's like, you're very close, and next
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: year we're going to get him. We're going to get
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: him the next year, and those losses Three-point losses will
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: turn into four-point wins eventually. And, you know, with Lincoln Riley,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of evidence out there that he can
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: get you to a level as long as he's got
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of help, but can't get you to that
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: next level.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Can't do more with less. And can't necessarily do more
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: with more either. Mm-hmm. Depp and Paul wants to know, Tony,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: how are your rods and cones today? Rods and cones
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: doing all right.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: It was rough, funnily enough. The sun on campus at
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, much harsher than the sun here in Los Angeles.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Having that sun right in your face, trying to record outside.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: We have not had that problem here in Los Angeles
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: even a little.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: We brought Ohio with us. The sky's been gray the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: entire time, guys.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I apologized to the bartender last night with our first stop.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: He was like, you guys hear from the game?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: He's like, it only rains in LA for the Oscars
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: and Halloweens.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: And apparently the Ohio State game. Yes. Blue Sky Star says,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I'm loving seeing USC Stadium. Can't wait to see inside you.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: When we get there this afternoon and we're able to
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: get there three hours before kickoff is when they finally
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: open the doors to us. We will have a usual
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes video at field level because I am
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: very much looking forward to getting in there and seeing
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: things in there as well. A ton of history in
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that building. Speaking of buildings with a ton of history. Uh, the, uh,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Paxton was, we're talking about houses and famous, famous buildings of, uh, of, uh,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: film and TV. Uh, Paxton says the Shawshank redemption jail
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: is also in Ohio. Yes, that is in Mansfield, Ohio.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's, uh, that is, they have a whole
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: like Shawshank trail there where you can go up there.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Like they've made a whole, uh, tourism industry around that.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: There's also, uh, the tree and wall, uh, Oh, that's
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: supposed to be in Buxton, Maine.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Like you can go, you can go there and match
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: up photos and stuff. Oh, that free and walls in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Ohio too.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: No, no, it's, it's somewhere else. Like it's there. Like again,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: off the cuff. I don't, I can Google it. But yeah,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: like stuff like that. There's, there's accounts that will go
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: and match up their own photos with photos from famous
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: scenes and movies.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Back to football. Henry says, no, Jay
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Timmons is a dagger. Now, he's not officially not playing,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: but he's gone from questionable to doubtful. So, Jock, I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: think I can sort of read the tea leaves there
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: where it's not particularly likely that he's going to play.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I agree. But when I see dagger, I think that's it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: It's over. It's done. So I disagree with dagger. I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: do agree that it's very likely we do not see
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Jay tonight. So let's all make a prediction then.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: If it's not Jay Timmons, Are we all just saying
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: it's going to be Cam Calhoun as the next guy
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: in because he's been the next guy in all season long? Like,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: they've had a bye week to maybe alter some things
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: or give other guys an opportunity like they did with
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Tatum and St. Clair, giving him an opportunity to win
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: a backup job. But I'm still expecting Cam Calhoun until
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: it's done.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: That's where... I think that's the safest bet right now.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: That's the best kind of... Yeah, I think it's... I
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: think it's... More likely that than anything else. But I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: also do think the way Ryan Day is talking about
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Simeon Caldwell and Jordan Thomas this week, he's not committing
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to anything, but he's talking about them as if they're
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: going to play a significant role potentially in this game.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And this is the time of year where you had
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a week off and then you had kind of a
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: two-week gap here. And I think they saw that Cam
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Calhoun has some shortcomings in that Indiana game.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: So.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: At some point, my expectation is that Jordan Thomas passes
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Cam Calhoun. And if you don't have Jay Timmons, then
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: maybe this is a Jordan Thomas game. Would love to
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: see this be a Jordan Thomas game.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: But I do think that we're going to see the
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: majority here of just Cam Calhoun out there. And I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: think that there's kind of been a message passed that
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Cam Calhoun is improving.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Cam Calhoun has been doing better recently, and I think.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: That is a precursor to seeing a lot of Cam
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Calhoun tonight. Now, what happens if Cam Calhoun gets cooked
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a couple times?
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Different story here.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Might need to restructure some things, but we're all three
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: huge Jordan Thomas fans.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: If the time is now, the time might be now. Yeah.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Think about it. If the Indiana game, say.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that play to Nick Marsh happens in the third quarter,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: like early, early in the third quarter. Do you keep
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Cam Calhoun out there the rest of the game, or
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: do you have to make a move at that point?
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Because that was not the first play.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: That he gave up in that one.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: So like, like how much road do you give him?
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: And then certainly I guess it resets here this week again,
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: but also if the results are the same, you've got
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: to make a decision.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I think you're, I think you're going
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: to see, Jordan Thomas on defense. I certainly think you're
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: going to see Simeon Caldwell on defense. I just don't know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Cam Calhoun snaps versus Jordan Thomas snaps versus,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know, versus Simeon Caldwell snaps. I just don't
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: know what to expect there in terms of the breakdown.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I will say also, I hope the best for Cam
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Calhoun because his mentions in the The Twiggy.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Is not doing well for him right now.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Cam Calhoun is one of the strangest portal takes we've
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: seen from Ohio State in the portal era. A guy
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: on his fourth team in four years, granted a Winton
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Woods guy, but to me, when we look at all
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the portal guys they brought in, everything about that was like, really?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, now the Dom Kelly one is looking
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: very strange as well because the entire reason we thought
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: he was brought in as this young sophomore is because
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: they must know something. And clearly, like, he's a future
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: down-the-road kind of guy not playing at all. So just
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: two kind of opposite ends of the spectrum where we
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: thought it would be Don Kelly being the third one,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: and it's Cam Calhoun, who I always saw as just
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: this insurance veteran, older guy, one year.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Of starting, and some special teams work. And I think
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: right now they're getting a little bit more than they
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: expected or than planned. Yeah. So this is... I'm putting
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: this up there because this is sort of representative of, like,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: there's a segment of people who are, like, really sure
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that this is the case. Coldhearted says, everyone who thinks
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Luke Fahey's going to be the QB1 this season is wrong.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Tavian St. Clair will grab QB1 from him tonight against USC.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Tavian St. Clair can run the football. And his go-to
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: wideout is Chris Hatter Jr. and Brandon Innes, too. Now, I...
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: We're not in practice. But when we've been in practice,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen, like, I think the expectation for Tavian
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Sinclair was, man, he's going to seize the QB2 job.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: He's going to really take over. He's going to be
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: ready to, you know, ready to be, you know, if
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: something happens to Julius A, he's going to be ready
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to go. The coaches who were in practice every day,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: like Luke Fahey, took over the QB2 role very early
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: in fall camp. And there's been no indication that anything
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: has changed there. So other than he's tall, I don't
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: know what's the case here that actually the coaches who
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: are seeing all this are 100% wrong other than recruiting
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: rankings from two years ago and he's tall. I'm willing
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: to be open to the idea that if Luke Fahey
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't look great, then maybe they put St. Clair in
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: at some point, but I don't know what the... other
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: than the recruiting rankings and the height, I don't know
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: what the case for like, they've got this so wrong.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: You won't believe how wrong they've got this. What you've
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: just done is you've taken out two qualifiers. It's like
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: me saying, tell me what makes George, aside from being
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: president and the general in the army, what makes George
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Washington so great?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: What was George Washington's recruiting ranking? Like he was, he
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: was the president and he was a general. Like if
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: KB and St. Clair had all this great film from college, Sure, absolutely. Like,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I'm open to this. If KV and St. Clair looked
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like was lighting people on fire this spring when we
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: were in practice a whole bunch, fine, absolutely. Like, but
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: we don't have that. It's just, well, he's tall and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he's got his recruiting ranking from two years ago. Like,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: this would be the first time in college football history
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: that a five-star quarterback didn't pan out, right? I mean,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: those are the reasons, Jack.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Like, that's... Those are why... That's why people want him
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: out there. The potential... that those things indicate and the
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: prototype size, the prototype.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Arm, why would you not want them out there?
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: And we've all had conversations about, gosh, what happens if,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: before the season, what happens back in the winter? What
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: happens if Julian Sane comes back in 2027? Will they
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: take him or will they just decide to go with
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Tabian at that point? These are conversations that everybody's had.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: So now for Tabian St. Clair to not even be
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: in the conversation, I don't think people are ready for that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll harken back to our conversations when it first
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: kind of became clear that this was actually a competition
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: three weeks heading in, you know, with three weeks left
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: in the preseason. And we were having conversations at that point.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: If it's actually Luke Fahey, like, wow, that would be
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: a monumental deal here. and a real reflection of where
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Tabian St.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Clair is at.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: And then before the Kent State game, and how consequential
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: will this be if we see Fahey come in first
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: off the bench? And we all talked about it, but
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: it will be huge if that actually happens. And then
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: comes Fahey, and the reason it's so huge, and to
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: our buddy here, if you are Ryan Day in the
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Ohio State coaching staff, you want nothing more than for
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Tabian St. Clair to earn that number two job And
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you're going to give him the benefit of the doubt
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: in every single way you can. So to me, I
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: don't think this is very close because I think that
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Luke Fahey had not just outperform him consistently, make them
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: trust him more, but do it to a level where
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: it's like they're certain.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: They're certain about it. And when we talk about that,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: he's big. Yes, he is big.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Athletically, I don't think Tabian St. Clair is a better
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: runner of the football than Luke Fahey, to be quite honest.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: certainly there are areas where that physicality could come into play.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: But when you look at a guy that, and I've
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: seen people say, well, why don't you just use them,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: you know, create a package and use them like urban
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: would use them as a runner. Like number one, you
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: don't have any idea if he has the mental toughness
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: or physical toughness to be able to do that. Like
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: that JT Barrett kind of offense is not for everybody.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: It takes a dude to do that. I know we
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: just kind of discard that as, you know, easy for
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: an athlete to do. It's, it's not, but, When it
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: comes to running the offense, processing the offense, you've got
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: to be able to trust your guy. You look at
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a couple, well, you look at Michigan against Indiana.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: What did we see there? We see Carr come in.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: He makes a couple of boneheaded turnovers early on, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: it cost him the game in the end of the game.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And regardless of the upside, like that right there is
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: what you need to guard against. If you bring in St.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Clair and you don't fully trust him, he makes a
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: couple of boneheaded turnovers. It doesn't matter if he makes
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: a bunch of flashy plays. You're going to end up
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: losing that game. So to me, this has never been
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: particularly close from the point we saw Fahey come.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: In against Kent State. And it's disappointing, but it doesn't
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: need to be the future of Tavy and St. Clair.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that he's a bust. It just means
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: what we always thought, that he was coming in a
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: little bit behind schedule. And that doesn't change his ceiling.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: His ceiling is the same as it's always been. But
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: arm strength, athletic ability, I think Fahey's right there with him.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: And when it comes to running the offense, I think
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: it's very clear, decisively, that the trust that they have
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: in Fahey shows us that the gap is pretty sizable.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because I see people saying.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Right there, they're coming through, taking it to a leave
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: after the season. And you look at the Lincoln-Cheenholds thing,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: and people are like, You think Ohio State would love
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to have him back? They would love to keep all
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: these guys. They're not kicking them. They're not pushing them out.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: There are other opportunities for these guys to go and
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: get paid more and play. It's a completely different game.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: I talked earlier on a previous show about when Rick
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Neuheisel was a college quarterback. UCLA had senior quarterbacks for
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: five straight years that had been in the program.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: That's never going to happen again.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: And it's not like Ohio State made a bad decision
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: by letting Tavion Sainz there go.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: They didn't cut him.
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: They didn't, you know, put him on waivers. They didn't
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: put Lincoln Keenalds on waivers. They make a decision for
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: their starting quarterback, and then the backer has to decide,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: am I going to go? Like, do you remember when
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Ryan Day said, Joe Burrow, we don't have room for you.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: We don't need you.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Good luck in the transfer portal.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I will remind you that Urban Meyer was the head
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: coach at that point.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Urban saying that. But yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: The quarterback's coach delivering that message to get the hell out.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no. And that's not it. And here's the other
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: piece of this. it is entirely possible that at some
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: point the light comes on for tabian st claire all
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: the tools realize and he ends up having i mean
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: could he turn into joe burrow sure it's theoretically possible
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: but right now they have to play the guy who
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: gives them the best chance to win and they strongly
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: feel that luke fahey gives them the best chance to
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: win right i mean that that feels like that's a
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: that's a very uh like very clear thing they're not
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: sabotaging themselves by not playing him and You know, I
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: hearken back to other Ohio State quarterback battles of the
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: past where I can think of another time that Ohio
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: State had a big, tall, prototypical pocket passer quarterback from
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: a small program in Ohio. Now, this guy ended up
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: going to a big program later in his career, but
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: he started his career at Orville High School in Northeast Ohio.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: His name was Justin Zwick. They also brought in another
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: quarterback in that class who was not nearly as highly ranked,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: but had played at a bigger program, who was maybe
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a little more mobile, not as tall, not as prototypical
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of a pocket passer. His name was Troy Smith. Like
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the recruiting rankings don't always get it right now. They
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: probably get it right more now than they did back
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: in 2002, but it doesn't always, the tallest guy, the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: higher ranked guy doesn't always end up being the best
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: quarterback at the next level. I am not saying that
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Luke Fahey is going to be the 2006 Heisman Trophy winner.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying, but the rankings and height
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: are not always the only factors here in that conversation.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: And if you don't, if you're not playing by your
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: second year or your third year, you're not a bust.
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: If we compare Damien St. Clair to Joe Burrow, Damien St.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Clair to be on the Joe Burrow path, his first
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: year as a starter would be 2028.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Because Joe Burrow didn't start until his fourth year in college.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: And so it's okay to be patient with players.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: The problem is the players aren't as patient as the
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: programs would like them to be because they want to
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: go play. And if I'm not playing, I'm missing out
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: on money and I can go play somewhere.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: And so that's the difference here. Nobody's going to stick
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: around for four years.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Like, Lincoln-Keynote is about as long as you can expect
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: somebody to stick around before they're finally.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Going to go. I just want to add one thing
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: that I think that... Oh, sorry, go ahead, Doug.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, now with the NoJune, the NoMay transfer portal, they've
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: got to make those decisions earlier.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Doug.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when we talk about recruiting rankings, they're grading themselves
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: off of the NFL draft. So when you look at
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: a guy like Luke Vahey, who's 5'11, He's not going
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to get a super high ranking, even if they think
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: he has excellent passing abilities and could be a really
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: successful college quarterback. Because in the end, there are 32
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: five stars because there are 32 first rounders and so on.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: And he's never going to get a super high ranking
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: because they don't think the NFL is going to view
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: him as a super high prospect because he's limited in
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: his height. So always something to remember there when we
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: talk about rankings. Luke Fahey, would have been a top
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: 12 quarterback in the class, almost without a doubt, if
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: he was 6'2.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Jordan Kapler wants to know, can Tony play right tackle
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: so I can have another reason to boo him? Do
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: you have any eligibility left? No, I don't.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: You know, I was at Ohio State for four and
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: a half years, and that half year was to get
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: season tickets to the 98 team.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: And can't wait to see that Michigan State game. Yes.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Sean says, guys, FYI, outside of Ohio, LA has one
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: of the top five metro areas Buckeye alumni live in.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: So game being sold out in LA, could it mean
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: a 70% Buckeye crowd? I don't think 70% Buckeyes, but
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: if this ended up between empty seats and Ohio State fans,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: could it be... half the human beings in the building
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: are USC fans and half are Ohio State fans, or
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: even 60-40 USC. I don't think that's an outrageous thing.
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting 50-50, but something close-ish to 50-50 I
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: think is certainly possible. Yeah, I think so as well.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: This is my first time here in terms of what
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: to normally expect, what happens here. But I'm expecting if
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: things go well for an Ohio state game for the,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: the OHI own to go around the stadium, that sort
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: of thing.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: You and Doreen are on the same page. They are
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: just popped out. Yeah. Good for Doreen to be on
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the same page as me. Uh, and you know, we're
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: going to start wrapping up here in a minute, but, uh,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Bryce says night games are worse. If it's an upset day,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: then my anxiety level goes through the roof. I mean, that's, yeah, that's, uh,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: right now, Arizona and Texas tech are playing, uh, in Lubbock.
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: And yeah, boy, it has been an upset year. So,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: you know, another day full of upsets. There's only a
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: few ranked matchups, but that really hasn't stopped anyone from
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: losing games to teams they probably shouldn't lose them to.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: It's been three crazy weeks in a row. Time for
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: things to calm down, perhaps.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Yep. So, all right, let's wrap it up with score prediction. Mr.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Bucknut says 28-17, I assume, Ohio State. I would certainly
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: assume that that's the guess or the pick. He's not Mr. Trojan.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: That's true. Jock, what do you see happening tonight? I
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: see a higher scoring game.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Well, actually, I think the total for this game is 51,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: so I'm kind of right in line here.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: But I think this is a close.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Game that USC is able to move the ball better
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: than most Ohio State fans would hope. And I think
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: it ends up 28 to 24 Buckeyes in a game
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: that comes down to the wire.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's going to be a four-quarter game. I
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: went 24-19 Ohio State. I'm not sure if that means
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: a bunch of red zone failures for USC and some
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: field goals, perhaps a turnover for Ohio State putting USC
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: in a good position that doesn't get fully realized, or
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: perhaps there's a missed two-point conversion in there. I don't
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: know how it's going to go. I don't know why
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I went with 19. Looking around, he's a strange dude.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: The West Coast is strange.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Out and about in L.A. last night, people dressed up
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: in wild stuff. I think.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: You mentioned someone dressed up as a bucket of KFC. Yeah,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: at the bar sitting next to, behind us.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Really rude to be in a crowded bar surrounded by
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: a bucket as your costume.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: FYI. All right, we'll get to my prediction in a minute,
• 59:55
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  Speaker 1: 13 kind of game, but if Jay Timmons is a
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  Speaker 1: playing and you know, you maybe you get the tight
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  Speaker 1: end back for USC, maybe it's a little higher scoring
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