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Out Of Context: Big Sean And Charlamagne Tha God · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: We checked the mics. Good. Yeah, I do these in
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  Speaker 1: black and white men who focus. Yeah, I like that,
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  Speaker 1: Big Sean, my bro like something. Man, see you in
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  Speaker 1: a minute to God, how you feel. I'm blessed, black
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  Speaker 1: and holly favored. Man. You know, I like to set
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  Speaker 1: an intention before I do these conversations. So my intention
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  Speaker 1: for this conversation is for everyone to get clarity who
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  Speaker 1: you are as a man and rapper.
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  Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five. Man, And I'm excited for this. Then, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how about you first? And foemost I'm doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: It's life has been a lot lately though, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: gonna lie, it's been pretty overwhelming, kind of like stressful,
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  Speaker 2: but definitely, like I said, I cannot complain.
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  Speaker 1: Bro.
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  Speaker 2: Like when you when you think about the grand scheme
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  Speaker 2: of things, we me and you and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: us like are on the blessed spectrum.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're on the.
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  Speaker 2: Positive side of what's going on in the world, you know,
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  Speaker 2: compared to like people not knowing where they gonna sleep at,
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  Speaker 2: people getting bombed on, you know, losing family members, kids,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people getting executed. Everything that's all of these tragedies, wars,
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  Speaker 2: conflict that's.
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  Speaker 3: Going on in the world going on, you know, in
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  Speaker 3: our hometowns.
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  Speaker 2: Every other week I hear about like somebody getting like,
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  Speaker 2: oh this person got killed or this person, you know,
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  Speaker 2: some something. So it's just like I always keep that
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  Speaker 2: in perspective. And you know, an interesting concept that I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to someone the other day is I was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: you know, say, we get this opportunity while we're in
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  Speaker 2: our bodies, only our souls, this is our only time
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  Speaker 2: for us to experience like some type of friction.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm not even trying to
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  Speaker 3: get deep.
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  Speaker 2: But if you think about it, when we leave our
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  Speaker 2: bodies and this quick blip of a life, we may
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  Speaker 2: not experience pain anymore, might not be depression, anxiety, we
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  Speaker 2: won't be able to feel touched, fuck, eat, sleep, tired.
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  Speaker 2: That may not even none of that may be a factor.
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  Speaker 2: So I was talking with this doctor the other day
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  Speaker 2: who's very spiritual, and she was like, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this may be our only time as souls to progress, right,
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  Speaker 2: and to evolve and to feel and to have some friction, right.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, damn, if that's the case, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when we are feeling this uncomfortable feeling, like anxiety, depression.
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  Speaker 3: All these things, all these ups and downs we go through.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I wonder how much of a privilege it is
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  Speaker 2: even just to feel that shit. I think that's the point, right,
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  Speaker 2: just to enjoy the current moment period, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: know what's next to a lot of times when we
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  Speaker 2: say enjoy the moment, we're.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking about, you know now, like what we're doing right now,
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  Speaker 1: but no, enjoy this moment of a human experience that
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  Speaker 1: we have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because I feel like if you're just
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  Speaker 2: like comfortable, if you're good, if you're just satisfied all
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  Speaker 2: the time, then there's no room for growth, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I always feel like when you're down, when you feel off,
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  Speaker 2: or when you feel like you're in alignment, at least
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  Speaker 2: you have an opportunity to grow from that. And I
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  Speaker 2: feel like that's something to even be proud of recognizing
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  Speaker 2: that instead of just like complacent where you are?
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  Speaker 1: You know what? I love? I asked you how are
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  Speaker 1: you and gave me an honesty said no, but that's
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  Speaker 1: real because people be like, oh, I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: You know, in therapy, they taught me to not just
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  Speaker 2: say that. They taught I don't know, like they teach
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  Speaker 2: you to really say how you doing?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, like I said, you know, I'm writing
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  Speaker 2: my first book. You know what that's like writing a book.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just basically finished with it, finishing this album still
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  Speaker 2: and just like and still experiencing that new, that feeling
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  Speaker 2: of fatherhood. Even though my son is you know, a
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  Speaker 2: year and eight months, it's like it feels new still.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, We're gonna get through all of that. Let me
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  Speaker 1: ask you, who is Sean Michael Leonard Anderson in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four?
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  Speaker 2: Man, I'm somebody who bro I'm just trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: out myself who I am sometimes like I have to
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  Speaker 2: take time to reconnect with myself and what I like
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  Speaker 2: because I got so disconnected from that. So in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, I'm a father. I'm a black man, a
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  Speaker 2: proud black man who understands that they don't understand much.
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  Speaker 1: And I love anime. You know.
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  Speaker 2: That's like one of my escapes that I get to
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  Speaker 2: experience is like watch getting into like a new anime
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to dive into. Even Gliens, I did not
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  Speaker 2: routo dragon Balls like one of my favorite Sekira, Demon Slayer,
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  Speaker 2: my hero academia, like, those are the things that even just.
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  Speaker 3: Growing up, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And when I got into a point of like around
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  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, when I hit a big wall
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  Speaker 2: of depression that we could talk about, It's like I
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  Speaker 2: lost connection with who I was. But I do know
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  Speaker 2: that I'm a father, anime lover, a writer, and someone
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  Speaker 2: who loves to think things through. And I'm just sitting
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  Speaker 2: in it in the seat, watching the watching life on
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  Speaker 2: the screen happen.
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  Speaker 1: You know. So who is the rapper Big Sean in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four?
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  Speaker 2: The rapper Big Sean is somebody who is experiments and
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  Speaker 2: still I feel like I'm getting sharper and better as
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  Speaker 2: i go along. I feel like I'm mastering my voice more.
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  Speaker 2: I've been taking like vocal lessons. I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 2: mastering what I want to talk about more and still
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  Speaker 2: accepting that I want to have fun sometimes too, and
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  Speaker 2: just like rap to just find different rhyme schemes. It
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  Speaker 2: ain't always got to be about something. But I also
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  Speaker 2: love saying what's on my heart, you know, And that's
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  Speaker 2: why I'm excited about this album, because I do have songs.
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  Speaker 3: That explore, like.
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  Speaker 2: In depth feelings or that are very focused, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and that are important.
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  Speaker 3: So as a rapper, I.
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  Speaker 2: Feel like I'm at a place where I'm testing my
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  Speaker 2: own boundaries too. I'm like exploring, like because I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I am an amazing lyricist, and I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that I haven't shown the world that fully to my
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  Speaker 2: capabilities because of the amount of music.
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  Speaker 3: That I don't drop or the you know.
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  Speaker 2: The amount how time goes so fast and I don't
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  Speaker 2: get a chance to like catch up with it, and
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, two three years go by and
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  Speaker 2: I got hundreds of songs that I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Even know if they ever see the light of day. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not to be.
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  Speaker 2: Along with the answer, but as a rapper, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm still figuring it out. But I'm definitely
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  Speaker 2: somebody who has a perspective or something.
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  Speaker 1: And say, you know, I asked you those those two
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  Speaker 1: questions because I saw the clarity PSA and you said
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  Speaker 1: something in it and I'm paraphrase, and if you are
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  Speaker 1: feeling stuck, are you feeling you not in alignment with
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  Speaker 1: who you are? That can lead to anxiety and depression
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  Speaker 1: and all these things that can be a big waste
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  Speaker 1: of your time. And it often feels like Big Sean
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  Speaker 1: the Rapper is not in alignment with Sean anders and
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  Speaker 1: the Man, and Sean Anders and the Man not in
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  Speaker 1: alignment with Big Sean the Rapper. So what are your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on yourself?
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  Speaker 3: That's a pretty good analysis.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that I'm not aligned, It's that I'm a
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  Speaker 2: multifaceted person. So it's kind of like the records that
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  Speaker 2: I do or I'm just popping shit having fun, It's
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  Speaker 2: like those are That's.
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  Speaker 3: A part of me, you know, and so is you know.
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  Speaker 2: I know you've heard this song, but like a song
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  Speaker 2: I got called Break the Cycle with Charlie Wilson and
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  Speaker 2: a song boundaries, like that's a part of.
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  Speaker 3: Me too, and that's the beauty of that.
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  Speaker 2: I like this album because I split it up into
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  Speaker 2: four different dynamics. So to me, it's the most aligned
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  Speaker 2: that I've ever been musically with that Big Sean and
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  Speaker 2: Sean Anderson have been musically aligned, because it's really all
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  Speaker 2: different aspects of myself, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 2: I could see, like from a listener standpoint, how they
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  Speaker 2: could think that because it's like you're talking about like
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  Speaker 2: some shit that's like not so meaningful, like I could
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  Speaker 2: just be like rapping. I don't know what's an example,
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  Speaker 2: like shooting my shot. I gotta get in a shot
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  Speaker 2: out I hit it. I'm fully committed, like hey, which
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  Speaker 2: even songs like that like Bounce Back, I still kind
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  Speaker 2: of keep like a little bit of meaning to them still,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like even the high energy
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  Speaker 2: songs like a level of motivation just because that's like
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  Speaker 2: rooted in me. But at the same time, I like
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  Speaker 2: having just fun sometimes and just talking to my shit
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  Speaker 2: and just like freestyle and going hard as doctor Umar
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  Speaker 2: and White just you know, it's fun to me still,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like I don't ever want to lose
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  Speaker 2: that aspect of having fun with it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I want to stay on the Clarity psc Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that was very slept on right in the
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  Speaker 1: Clarity PSA. You also say we're all probably dealing with
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  Speaker 1: time moving so fast and trying to keep up with ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: and I agree with that, but that could be even
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  Speaker 1: harder if we don't even know what version of ourselves
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  Speaker 1: we are trying to keep up with. So in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four, can these two versions of yourself peacefully coexist. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And it is a conflicting thing because when you say
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  Speaker 2: two versions, I think there's like ten versions of me
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  Speaker 2: that you know, I kind of like always trying to align
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  Speaker 2: with or you know, all of these different voices and
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  Speaker 2: parts of your soul. Like I said, I got like
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  Speaker 2: a multi layered personality.
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  Speaker 1: We all do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: To answer your question, yes, absolutely, And it's coming more
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  Speaker 2: and more into alignment, you know. And I realized that, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: time is moving fast for all of us. So it's
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  Speaker 2: like you can't be sitting here thinking that that person's
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  Speaker 2: always going to be here, This moment's always gonna be here.
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  Speaker 2: I remember even with Nipsey, like luckily on my last album,
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  Speaker 2: I I got to get a song off with him
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  Speaker 2: that we had started when he was alive, and then
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  Speaker 2: he passed away and I still didn't finish it. But
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  Speaker 2: my point was I always thought I was gonna be
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  Speaker 2: able to finish it absolutely. You know when I ran
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  Speaker 2: into Kobe on New Year's and he was like, man,
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  Speaker 2: I love your music, bro, not a dollar. We got
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  Speaker 2: a chance to really link and talk and he was like,
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  Speaker 2: I come through and hear your new album, which was
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  Speaker 2: Detroit too.
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  Speaker 3: At the time, I'll come.
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  Speaker 2: Through and check it out in an event, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, hell yeah, So I'm at the studio, like,
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  Speaker 2: let me just it's not ready yet, it's not ready yet,
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  Speaker 2: and then bam. You know, you just never know what
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  Speaker 2: family members, you know, anyone who's always going to be there.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like, take advantage of your time now.
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  Speaker 2: And that's been my biggest battle is because when I
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  Speaker 2: live in a moment, the anxiety comes from me trying
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  Speaker 2: to live in another moment the same time. So it's
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  Speaker 2: like I realized that, of course I'm overwhelmed because I'm
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  Speaker 2: in a moment right now. You're not even taking advantage
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  Speaker 2: of a full moment or appreciating it, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I know, I know, I keep giving
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  Speaker 2: these long winded answers.
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  Speaker 1: This is a long form conversation. Cool cool, cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Even even with the Nipsy thing, that wasn't all you though,
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  Speaker 1: because like Nipsey was notorious for not finishing the records,
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  Speaker 1: like it would take me a while to finish the record.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I heard, that's just an art That's an
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  Speaker 2: artist thing too, you know, it's an artist thing. But
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  Speaker 2: and even he hit me up like, yo, come to
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  Speaker 2: my video shoot his last video he shot, and I
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  Speaker 2: was he hit me up at the last minute, but
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  Speaker 2: I was like, damn by the time.
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  Speaker 3: I get there, I should have just went bro Like.
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  Speaker 2: And even last time, I like saw him at an
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  Speaker 2: event and he was like nervous about the Grammys and
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  Speaker 2: I was telling he was like, man, you know what
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  Speaker 2: if I don't win for I'm like, bro, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: you got next time, you know, And all this is
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  Speaker 2: just like those are kind of things that I've been
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  Speaker 2: realizing that it's always not true, you know, and that
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  Speaker 2: you may not always have time, so take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Writing a book is something.
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  Speaker 2: I always wanted to do eventually, but I was like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I needed to do.
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  Speaker 3: It right now before while I have the opportunity. You know.
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  Speaker 2: You also in the Clarity video, I really like that
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  Speaker 2: you fuck with the Clarity video.
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  Speaker 1: No I do. I do.
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  Speaker 3: I've been trying.
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  Speaker 2: I did that with such intention for people to realize
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  Speaker 2: how important it is to be clear and intentional and
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  Speaker 2: how much it affects your family and your crew. Are
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  Speaker 2: like breaking a cycle, you know, or like doing all
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  Speaker 2: these things and that's.
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  Speaker 1: Why you had to circle. Yeah, I said like happiness. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what else? Was it?
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  Speaker 3: Pressure? And focus? And that I made that up.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I drew that and just like animated it and brought
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  Speaker 2: it to life because that's what my life was feeling like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tyler the creator says in the Clarity video, he says,
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  Speaker 1: do you rapping is your superpower? Putting words together is
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  Speaker 1: your superpower? But then also he says, it's your greatest flaw. Right?
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  Speaker 1: Did he expound on that off camera and how did
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  Speaker 1: do you interpret his words? Well?
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  Speaker 2: I could have easily edited out that last part, but
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to keep it honest. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: make it look like just a highlight reel for Big Sean.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So it's like I interpreted it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did build on it, but he you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes I don't want to like misquote him, but I
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  Speaker 2: think he meant that. Sometimes it's not all about the
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  Speaker 2: fucking raps man, you know. Sometimes it's like you can
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  Speaker 2: like overwrap something too or like you could be so lyric.
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  Speaker 3: People's heads are lyrical, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: But when he came to the studio, he was just like, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: you're just you know, he was giving me so many
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  Speaker 2: compliments off camera, like, bro, like your lyrics, you're this,
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  Speaker 2: and I think he's incredible too, obviously, like an all
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  Speaker 2: around musician and rapper and lyricist and all that too.
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  Speaker 1: So how did you interpret his words for.
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  Speaker 3: You when he said rapping is your super power, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Also your greatest flaw.
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  Speaker 2: Uh? I just interpreted it as his opinion really, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's my greatest flaw. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: the reason I'm here, you know, the reason I've been
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  Speaker 2: able to live the life I lived. But I understood
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  Speaker 2: where he was coming from though, Like I see what
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  Speaker 2: he's saying, Like it could be it could be interpreted
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  Speaker 2: a lot of ways, Like it could be like, you're
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  Speaker 2: real good at rapping, but maybe the amount and high
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  Speaker 2: level that you rap at maybe you could execute on
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  Speaker 2: other parts of your artistry as well. Like maybe it's
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  Speaker 2: like take some of the focus off the rapping because
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  Speaker 2: you're so good at it, and maybe dude, apply it
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  Speaker 2: to other parts something like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, years ago you said that making music became
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  Speaker 1: a burden for you. How long were you in that
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  Speaker 1: mental space? Do you feel like that might hurt your
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  Speaker 1: career anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so since the beginning. Let's go back to
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  Speaker 2: that real quick. I'm gonna get to that. When I
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  Speaker 2: was eleven years old and I rapped for my mom
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  Speaker 2: for the first time, right, and it was like gangster
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  Speaker 2: rap was like the most popular you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: fifty saying, both our neighbors sold like my mom. My
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  Speaker 2: mom was kind of like a motown parent, Like we
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  Speaker 2: were listening to like Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross Isley Brother,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Marvin Gay and so I literally seen like
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  Speaker 2: the wildest shit happened around my house, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, coming home from school, to da coming out
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  Speaker 2: from behind the cars pointing their guns at us, thinking
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  Speaker 2: we were our neighbors.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like just wild ass shit.
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  Speaker 2: Like So when I wanted to be a rapper at
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  Speaker 2: eleven years old, I didn't realize like my mom being
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  Speaker 2: the first person how critical of a moment that was
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  Speaker 2: me rapping for her, not shutting it down, her being like,
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  Speaker 2: oh you man, keep going like, oh, you're so good
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  Speaker 2: at it, you know what I'm saying. And I just
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  Speaker 2: appreciate her for that aspect of just accepting me and
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  Speaker 2: nurturing me and just going further into debt, paying from
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  Speaker 2: my studio, sessons, driving me from Detroit to Chicago and
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  Speaker 2: back to work with producers. And my whole family is
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: a family of scholars, meaning that like they all got degrees,
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  Speaker 2: they all are teachers, and all sorts of stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: And I was the first person to.
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  Speaker 2: Say I want to do music, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: and something a little bit different. And my mom being
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  Speaker 2: such a dreamer herself, she was the only one who
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  Speaker 2: really supported me. And I used all my college grant
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  Speaker 2: like I used all the bonds that my grandma saved
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  Speaker 2: up for me, and spent it all on this dream
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: that I had, you know, and spent it all. And
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: more so, when we talk about from eleven years old
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: me treating it like it was my job, I treated
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: it like it was my job. I would like press
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: up CDs, shot my first album cover in sears and
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: like with press up CDs like I treated it like it.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Was a job and just for because it was to
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: me and I didn't know why.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: But I really later found out that that it was
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: my purpose and I didn't and I didn't know what
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: a purpose was back then for real, Like I knew
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the word, but I didn't know the meaning of.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: It, but it was like it meant.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: It meant so much to me, So I would do
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: things that I hated fucking doing anyway, Like I hated
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: battle rapping. I don't have a battle rap voice. I
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: don't have like that meat middle ass Beanie Siegel.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: War motherfucker's bad.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: You know, I got like a I had, especially then
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: when I was younger, I had like a thin ass boy.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: So I had to make up for it by being
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: like clever and witty and metaphorical and shit right, And
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: it was just way harder for me. So anyway, I
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: did all these things I didn't want to do because
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: I believed in this dream so much. Right So every
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: by the way, everyone's saying it's never gonna happen, it's
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen. My mom wasn't
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: saying that. She was the one who told me. I
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: remember one of my English teachers. I'm not gonna put
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: her name on blast, but someone can figure it out.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Who told me, like, yo, like you got good grades,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: make sure you apply to college because this music thing,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: like that's not even a reliable thing, like you're you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you messed around, throw you throw your whole life away
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: doing this right, So it's like, Okay, I'm telling people like, no,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: I got it though you know, I could see it.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I always could see it and feel it. I just
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna happen. I just didn't know
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: how it was gonna happen.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: And sometimes we don't have to worry about the how twos,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So I didn't forget your question. I'm gonna get to it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: So anyway I do, I meet yay, I wrap form.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Years go by without anything happening. But I knew it
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: was gonna happen because I was into had just got
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: into manifesting and reading all these books, and I saw it.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I saw me being.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Signed to good music all this stuff, even though he
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: got back, and so I'm not looking for any new artists.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Like, I knew it was.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Gonna happen, right, did everything I could to make it
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: happen and kept my relationships going. Anyway, we could talk
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: about that more, but that was the first time I
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: dealt with depression, and we could dive back into that.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: So anyway, I finally make this happen. Do the freshman
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: cover all this stuff, drop these mixtapes, one mixtape, another mixtape,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: another mixtape. I do the BT site forer with good
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: music and it you know, I get one hundred thousand.
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Followers overnight, it literally.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Then I work on my first album, get the first
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: album going. The first album is successful, the second album
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: isn't as successful. But why because I think I need
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: to return back to my mixtape route. So I do
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Detroit mixtape, which was fire. Then I'm doing all the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: cruel summer ideas as well, like just helping behind the scenes,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: like mercy click, all these different ideas that I'm literally
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: coming up with.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Plus people stole your flow, plus people still you didn't
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: even really get to eat off your flow.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and all me the whole shut the fuck up
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: all of that, right, And I'm spreading myself then, Paul.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: So it's like then I do my album and it's.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, the album isn't as good as it could
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: be whatever, And it wasn't because I was listening to
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: so many people saying you got to keep your foot
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: on the neck. You got to keep your foot on
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: the neck. This is an opportunity, Like all this stuff right,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: and they're right, but I lost completely lost sense of.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Who I was. That's when it became a burden.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: That's when it became a burden.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And then I dug deep because people were counting me out.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I made Dark scott Paradise, and to me, that was
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: like my first time where I kind of tuned it
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: out and just like focused on me and like what
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make, and that that was one of
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: my biggest, at se most successful albums. And then after
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that I fell back into the rhythm of everyone being like,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: oh shit, now you really so now you got to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: stay on the neck man, So it's like, all right, shit.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: So I did an EP with Jena twenty eighty eight.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Then I did another album I Decided, which was like
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: came right on the heels of twenty eighty eight. Then
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I did another album with Metro Blooming, which I completely freestyled,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: and I was literally burnt the fuck out at that point.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I literally was touring, burnt the fuck out, just tired
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: on adderall at the same time.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: So that completely would have my brain fried.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Like I was not prescribed as shit, so my dopamine
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: was nonexistent. The dopamine that your brain naturally produces when
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: you take synthetic drugs and anything like that, like all
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: sorts of drugs. It just like I'm not saying I
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: was taking all sorts of drugs, but I was taking adderall.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: But I'm just letting you know, all type of drugs
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: do that. It's like it produces this artific show amount
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: of dopaminet where you can be hyper productive, but it's
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: not sustainable and then you'll crash out. And it made
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: me like hit a wall that it was like it
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: was either gonna follow me or I had to like
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: climb over. And that's when I fell back completely from everything.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: That's when it was like it was hard for me
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: to do a conference call, you know what I'm saying, right,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So that is when from like twenty eighteen to twenty twenty.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: That I was just like I was just off.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, had the worst anxiety by posting a
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: picture on Instagram. Bro, you know, just weird shit that
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't even be thinking about so much.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And I just was what anxiety is. Yeah, and you
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: probably get more anxiety because you're like, yo, I prayed
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: for all of this, I got it, and I'm feeling
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: like I don't appreciate it.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Well, it's confusing.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's confusing because you feeling like you don't appreciate it,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and you feel like why do I feel like this
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: when I've literally exceeded my own My dream was to
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: have a song on the radio.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: And to move my mom out of out of the hood.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: So it's like everything else has been an extreme bonus, right,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So it was just was very confusing. And then I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: realized that I just was so out of touch with
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: myself that I had to reconnect with myself. And I
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: linked with like people who helped me do that. At
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: my therapist, I linked with this lady Marie Diamond, who
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: really helped me like tapping spiritually with myself and like bro,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I would go like take trips to just connect with
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: myself and like meditate and like get spiritual and connect
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: with God more. And like I started working out, I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: started just eating better, taking care of myself and just
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: slowly returning back to who I was, trying things that
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if I liked or like I would
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: go to the gun range, like oh shit, I've jumped
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: out of jumped out a plane.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Skydiving, like I did a
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: lot of.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Things just reconnected with myself and it was it was
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: very very necessary.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I want to sleuth to your mom too, because what
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you explained. There's a therapist name of Elliott Connie. He
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: does solution focused therapy and he talks about the astronaut theory.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Like when your kid comes to you and your kiss says, hey,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I want to be an astronaut. You don't be like, man,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you ain't never going to space. Ain't you know nobody
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: going to space? You say, oh, okay, how are we
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: gonna do that? Let's do it. Yeah, I figure out
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: how to do it. That's what she did for.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: You, man. And it's just like.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It makes me emotional because it's like, damn, it could
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: have went either way, you know. And there was definitely
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: times where I gave a faith in myself, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: another time. So we could go back a little bit
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: just to answer the question when that burnout happened of
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, that was my second experience with like depression,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and it made sense because there are substances involved too.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: When I say that, like the adderall or even alcohol.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't realize that alcohols are depressing.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So if you got any type of mental you like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: you know, any anxiety, any depression, It's not an instantaneous thing.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: It could be weeks later that that shit has an
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: effect on you like that, you know. So anyway, we
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: go back to when I didn't go to college, right,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: so let me paint that picture.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't go to college.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Because I rapped for Ya in my junior year of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: high school. For people who don't know, and I was
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a telemarketer at the time.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I was like cashing my check.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: It's like as a rap fairy tale story bro like,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't cast my check, got down to the radio
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: station that I had been doing a show there for
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: a year and a half already called the Friday Night Cipher.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The Friday Night Cipher was a show where you were
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: battle rap people. You whoever wins the battle rap will
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: get to rap over instrumentals on air.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: So I did that for a year straight. So I
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: had all these raps, you know what I'm saying.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: So by the time when Yay's promoting his album Lay Registration,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: my boy like, YO, go to the station rap for ya,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Right, I end up downtown.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I lied and said I left my phone in the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: station because I was there the night before.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: They let me in.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I ended up rapping for him, and I had the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: CD that I've been selling around school at the time,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: and I had a press kid.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Bro. I was like very prepared, overly prepared. Hel JLB. No,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that wasn't jailb.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: It was Hot Hot one oh seven back then it
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: was one on five point nine, Hot one Old, Hot
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: one Old. It's the hot station. I'm tripping right now. Anyway,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I rap for him. As we walking out the station,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: He's like, yoa, I don't got time. He running late.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: He had been there for a while. I'm like, bro,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: let last call my ship. Blah blah blah. Yo story,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: that's the only time I ever like cry listening to
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: a song type shit. He's like, all right, man, you're
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: gonna guilty, you know, like you cal rap while we're
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: walking out. I ended up rapping for like ten minutes straight. Like,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: we ended up stopping at the at the entrance slash
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: exit at the station and he's just listening to me.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Right So anyway, time goes on.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: He he you know, eventually I go to my senior
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: year of high school. No word from him, but we talked.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to don See here and there and nan
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: seeven keeping the contact.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yo, what up big Sean? Yoll uh y'all.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: We really Yo. We banging that new song.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: You said, you know, shout out my boy don See
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: like I do a very good DWN scene in pressure.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: But you know, Yeay was blowing up at the time,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: so I understand. I didn't understand then, but I understand
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: now the spotty communication, you know. So anyway, we finally
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: get the word that they want to sign. And to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: make a long story short, I ended up like turning
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: down on I graduated high school to three point like
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: seven GPA, and I turned down all the scholarships I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: had to Michigan State and my family is a UFN family.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But I got accepted to Michigan State and had like
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a lot of scholarships. So I was going to go
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to Michigan State. Michigan State and all my friends go
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to college. I'm still at the crib where I grew up,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: like since I was eight years old, in the same room, right,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And at first I'm like, oh shit, okay, he said
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: he wanted to give me a record deal.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: It was happening right.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: A year goes by, bro, And in that year, I
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: have such a crazy deep depression because all my friends
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: are hitting up every couple of weeks, Yo, what's.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Up, man, what's up with the music?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: She's like, I ain't been hearing none of about it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I would go my beautiful grandma would have Sunday dinner
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: every Sunday, and.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: She would every Sunday, what's going on with the music?
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Baby?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Like you know, it was just it was hard, Bro.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I still feel scarred from those times.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Because you feel like a loser.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I felt like a loser.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: And like the girl I was dating went to Michigan
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: State and I would meet when I'm in her family,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, he's a rapper.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: And they would be.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Like like okay, you know they thought that she could
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: do better.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: And it was just like it was like a test
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: of my faith.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And you know, when you got that faith, you got
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to walk on that invisible bridge of faith.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: You don't see it, but you just know us there.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: So anyway, Man, A year goes by and I realized, Okay,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: I gotta be productive. So all these books my mom
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: been forcing on me, the seven Spiritual Laws of Success,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: asking it is given by Estra and Jerry Hicks, the
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Four Agreements, the Alchemists, all of these type books, classics.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: I just fucking I'm like, let me just dive into
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: these books.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I had a desperation for real, and I started meditating
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and I just started seeing it, Bro, And then I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I had found this list before I
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: wrapped for Ya that I wrote down because I was
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: lightway into it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: But I just was busy, you know.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I was a high school in high school, and I
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: saw this list where it said Good Music number one,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: number two, Rockefeller number three, Shady Records number four, Grand
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Hustle number five, Innerscope. Like I just had a list
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of like these are the top five labels I want
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to be signed to, and Good Music was number one,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and I saw that. I was like, yo, I'm on
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: that path. It was like one of them omens that
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: it was just one little thing I needed to realize. No, God,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I could do this.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Bro. I met Yay in rap for him.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I ain't say you wanted to sign me, So I
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: just manifested and visualized the paperwork coming in all this time.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: But in that time, Bro, in that one year, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: was so depressed that I just wanted to give.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Up bad and I give up on life for just
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the rap.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Just on the rap.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: So of course you when you depressed, you always think
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: about killing yourself. But I wasn't being that dramatic then.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: But I just was like, Okay, I'm.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Done, you know.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: And I remember I applied for community college, and I
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: remember my grandma was like, yeah, it just applied for
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: community college, like it's okay.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And I just remember my mom being like, you know,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: like what are you doing? You know, and it was
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: it was a moment dog, you know what I'm saying.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But she didn't want you to go to commuity college.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: She didn't want to give up on your dream.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she was just like, yo, what do you doing?
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: You know? You know, any tissue.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: That's cool, it's cool.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: So anyway, bro its just when I said, it could
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: have went either way. Could have went either way, you
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I'm just thankful for that
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I had these guardian angels in my life, like my
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: mom just come in a former any anything, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a book or you know what I'm saying.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So that's why that's important. I mean, just his parents
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: like Yo, when your kids come to you with a dream,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: with a vision, yeah, even if you can't see it,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: just no, that's God telling something to that child. So
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: you our job is just to support that dream. Yeah.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Like so I just appreciate her being so open minded
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: about that bro and like willing to support her baby.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: And like she went into debt.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I would see her cry over bills and stuff,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: and so she wouldn't ever complain about paying for something
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: for the studio for me though, you know, and still
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: would cry about bills that night. So it's just it's
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: cool because you know. Another story is was she a
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: hip hop fan? That's something you got to ask her.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: She didn't really play hip hop that much. You know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: she was somebody who we would have it on, like
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: on the radio and stuff. But I remember when I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: bought the Slim Shady LP, she was like confused, like
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: what the fucking She.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Didn't even know he was from Detroit, And.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: You know, I remember I had her at the video
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: shoot when I just did a song with him, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: she was like, you remember when we bought I was like, yeah,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I remember, you know, from co or whatever. The thing
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: about that though, that I want to say is me
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and her have fell out, Me and my mom, you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: after all the stuff we've been through, And it was
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: definitely it was that time where I'm talking about where
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I was like just burnt out right, and she ended
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: up coming out to visit me because we needed to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: rekindle our relationships. She wasn't about to let that happen
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: with her baby boy, feel me, so she came out
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: and stayed with me in October twenty nineteen, and she
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to stay for the whole winter.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I'll leave on your birthday in March twenty two. So
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: March twenty twenty comes around and then coch Evinson's right,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So my mom was like, I'll just stay until this
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: is over. It's probably gonna be another month or two.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: She ended up staying for almost two more years, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: me and her in my crib.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So it's like, look at God, Look at God.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It was like we not only did we reconnect, it
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: was like a reconnection that's going to last for the
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: rest of my life now, Like we back tight, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and we had we have We had not been that tightened, don't.
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: I don't talk to her every day or nothing like that.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: But me and my mom just are like I feel
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: like that was a blessing in disguise, you know, and
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the fact that I said, like it could have gone
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: either way. That's been like the biggest pleasure is like
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: having her be with me and like believe in me,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and like everyone else too. I ain't gonna like my dad,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: my brother, like everyone. Everyone stepped up and played their part,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: and I just I appreciate that.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So it's like when I think about my son coming
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: to me, like I can't wait to nurture whatever he
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: wanted to be. You feel me, whether it's like an astronaut,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: a doctor, a scientist.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: He feeds me like y'all want to be the.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Best manager at McDonald's. Whatever, We're gonna make you do,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: whatever it is.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Calvin, Remember Calvin McDonald's commercials period.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like whatever you want to do. Like, I just
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: can't wait to support him.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know we were here now with the new
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: album Better Meeting You. What's the science in that title? Man?
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Better Meeting You kind of just represents like my mentality
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of when you have to be someone that changes your
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: whole environment, your whole family, breaks a cycle, changes the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: whole trajectory of your circle. It's like sometimes you got
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to deal with the extra pressure, the extra weight of
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: it all, and the extra just bullshit, right, But it's
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: like you really got to understand you don't got to
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: do it. You get to do it, and it's a
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: privilege when you can step up and you're the one
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that's able to handle it, you know what I'm saying.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: So when I hold my son and when I think
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: about that, it's like better me than you having to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: deal with all of these things right now. But and
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: sometimes that's only his mama too, But when it's his
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: time to deal with it, cause he's gonna come into
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: being a man one day that he accepts the responsibility
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: probably of stepping up to the play, you know what
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, and really highlighting you as an individual, like
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a better meeting you could ever be. So to me,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: it is like probably my truest album in the sense
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: of just doing whatever I want to do, you know
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You started off with a record called Apologize and you
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: sample Ray J the Breakfast Club moment.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's right, no no, no, no, yes, yeah that moment.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: And so you addressed a lot of things on that record.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You know, someone who seemed to be stealing from you,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: someone who tried to suck your girl, somebody that's supposed
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to be Big Bro. You said, you don't even want
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: them to apologize. What's wrong with here? And I'm sorry, man,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: it ain't nothing wrong with it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: But an apology without a plan attached to it is
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: a is an empty is an empty apology, and that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: ain't shit.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they say the best apology is changed behavior, you
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: So it's like people apologize and do the same thing.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: For that song.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Specifically, I kind of like put five people into one person.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: So it was a good writing exercise for me because
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I created a character for this song, and it's like
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: five different people I made into one person, and then
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I wrote the song as if that person existed.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: You know, So these people gonna know who they are,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: all of them?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Wow yeah, wow, Yeah, all of them for sure.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people when they hear it, they'd
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's directly at Yay, it's for sure
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: about Kanye.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: And I thought that would do. When I heard the
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: big Bro line, I'm like nah, because he said he
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: was looking out for Big Bro, and you have to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: pay big bro lloyal for you. That wouldn't make no sense.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't make no sense. Man, you really was listening. Yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of people when they hear they don't all
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the way. I'll be wondering if people have ears sometimes
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: that work, because he would just be like even when
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I dropped.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: That freestyle, just having fun, people like you.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Just in Keimdrick Lamar, Oh, we're gonna get through that,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: damn nigga.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: Like I literally said, niggas looking for engagement, like they
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: got they need band.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I got better things to do to find someone.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: To be people. They're like, oh, he's trying.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: To be Yeah, I'm like, what the fuck are y'all
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: not hearing? I just said I got better things to do.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I want to get to that. This is a multi
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: leided interview.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but yeah, about that song apologized that was
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: That's the whole thing about it. It's about like five
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: different people manifesting into one and did a writing exercise.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I was telling you, you know, we was talking behind
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the scenes that I really like when you and your
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: your bag, like when you're doing stuff like break the cycle,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: like those self reflective records, and I can tell you've
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: been doing you know, your work on your healing journey,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: and you expressed it in these records. And on that
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: record Break the Cycle, you said Leena Wafe said you
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: was the Black brad Pit and you said, even though
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: that's flattering, you was asking her, is just what people
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: think of me? Like I just go from one star
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to another star? Like why did that bother you?
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Out of consolation or it bothered me?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Because that's not who I am for really, you know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not in it. I'm not just hopping. And but
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to her, it was like, yeah, nigga, you went from her.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I heard it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Her reason is, yeah, that's not that's not cool, Like
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: that's not how I like planted out.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I wasn't you know what I'm saying. So I just
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: was highlighting that, like I told her.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: I actually saw her recently and was like, yo, I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: mentioned you about that situation, but it just well I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: didn't sit right with me.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: That ain't That ain't how I'm trying to come across.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: You know, you want people to respect you for the art.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Well not yeah, of course respect me for the art,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: but I also know want people to just think like
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: those are the only type of first of all, the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: only type of women I'm into one, you know what
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I mean. That's not That's not how I'm trying to
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: come across.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: That's the world though. It's like if you work at
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a law firm, you probably gonna end up dating a lawyer,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: It makes sense, Yeah, it makes sense in that in
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: that way, but I just didn't want it to be like, oh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I only like singers, or I only fuck with this
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: or there. There are a lot of people I've dated
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that people don't know about, that have nothing to do
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: with the music industry, that have nothing to do with
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: anything in that world that I've kept private before.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I just want to state that because, yeah, that's that's
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: why I felt the way about it, because it's like
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel that was an accurate picture of me.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: That's why I addressed that.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: When I heard that line and you brought up Kendrick,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: it made me think of a line Kendrick had in
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a record that got leaked when he said, You're finally
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: famous for who you date, not how you rhyme? Boy.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: When you heard that ball did you, did you get
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: any rhymes prepared? And did it have the same reaction
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that you had when Lena said that do all right?
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: So yeah, because those are two questions.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: When I first heard that, I definitely had a whole
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: thing prepared.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So let's let's let's back this up.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: So I did a song called No More Interviews where
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I'm rapping about people rapping fast and blah blah blah,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and people like.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, you talking about Kendrick.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm not talking about anyone specifically, I'm
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: just talking my shit. At the time, there was a
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: lot of motherfuckersrap. I'm surprised no one thought Eminem or
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I remember Logic was hot at the mgat you know
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: all these other rappers that rap fast, and I'm like,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: this Thingker Kendrick don't even rap fast all the time.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Like it's other people who be rapping fast all the time.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: But I definitely was like not running from or ducking
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: no type smoke at all. Like, so when I heard
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: that there might be, you know, some remnants of something,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I did have something prepared.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: And then I ran into Day Free in the elevator
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: at W and me and I'm like, yo, was that
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I forgot what the controls?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: No?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, this was way after because okay, so, by
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: the way Kendrick has been in my house, me and
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: him are cool by he's inviting me to his mom's house.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Before this was like my old house. We were cooler
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: back then. Let me say that because I'm not gonna
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: sit here and be like we cool. I don't talk
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: to him, but I remember, I'm just get breaking down
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the timeline. I remember when in I dropped, I decided
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: and bounced back and all this stuff, and he dropped.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: He was dropping his album, damn. And I can't remember
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: what freestyle. I guess it was the hard Part or.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Five maybe something like that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: And people like, oh, he's talking about Big Sean in there, right,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: so I ran, I run in it.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I hit Hip top Dog first. I'm like, yo, who are.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: You talking about? He's talking about that. He's just talking
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: to me, just throwing the bone out there right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Why you just didn't have Kendrick? Why not think Kendrick
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: when you talking about me?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Because I didn't think I had his right number.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I think I did hit him first, and like, I'm like,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I don't have I got top number because he had
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: just had me come out of his charity event like
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: a year ago or something in Watts, you know what
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I'm thinking, we like straight, you know
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So then no, no, no, I went
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: about you went about you?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: All right? Cool.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: So the little shit I had, I just was like,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: let me, let me get out of my head cause
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like it might be something.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: So you had a song.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I had this to some ideas, you know what I'm saying,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Just awesome, just to be real with you, Like, I
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: have some ideas, you know, mapped out.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: So then Nipsey Dies.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Joe Budden had created this Like before that, Joe Budden
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: had made this like there's a Kendrick big Sean beef
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: and to the point where I tried to ignore it,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: but he made that narrative so fucking real that I
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: think it really did become a thing.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: So like he wasn't all the way wrong though you
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: said it might have been something in the air.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I'm getting to the point where me
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: and Kendrick talker. So I get to the point where
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, dude, we got something going on. That's
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: why I had something prepared, right, And then when I
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: run in the day free and he's like, no, bro,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: it ain't nothing like saul I love. He said something
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: like that wasn't directly towards you. It was for anyone,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: So then Nipsey dies and I sit on the plane
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: next to Punch random as hell. We're headed to J
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Cole's festival, and he's like, you ever talked to Kendrick
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I never. I know it ain't
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: ship there, but we never really spoke. Then in that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: around that time, like that day, or maybe the day
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: before that, or the week or day within that same
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: time period, that leaked shit happened. It was a leaked
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: verse and it said what you said. I'm like, damn, nigga, y'all,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: motherfucker said it wasn't shitt and it was something So
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: you got me looking crazy.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: But maybe he prepared something just like the same way
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you were thinking. He was like, you know, let me
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: get my nukes just in case two. Right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: But the thing is that song came out and he
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: changed that bar, right, So that wasn't on the song anymore.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: It was leaked verse, so I had to keep that
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: in mind, because I was pissed when I heard it.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: So then I'm like, okay, he changed that on his own,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: so he probably came to the conclusion that it was nothing.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: So then I speak. Then me and him talk, and
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I got the text on my phone and he's like,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I might pull the text out, and why not, Oh
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: I ain't even got my somebody else got.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: My phone phone. Essentially need to misquote him.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I ain't trying to misquote shit because I don't
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: give a fuck that much the misquoting.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: And how long ago this used to right after? Okay,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So I mean you can read my stuff too.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Don't read it, no, no, no, no, I don't think we
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: should read it because I think that's kind of like
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Big James. But I want you to kind of like
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: see the sentiment of it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Oh p, So this is me and then this is
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: him went up. You know, yes, we're in great grievance.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: That's right, wrongly, So in a sense, I don't want
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: to say it.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: He apologized in a sense for going that far, you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: for that shit coming out right, So I wanted to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: show you that because in a sense he apologized, right,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: So if Kendrick apologized for that literal, that same leak
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: that I heard prematurely right that.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: He didn't use.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Then it then it leaks fully later, right, and people
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: hear it. And we already discussed it, and he said,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: appreciate the shout out on a Nipsey song.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: I already addressed it on the song with Ni.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Lack of communication, the wrong information for people feel about
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: the ego.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: It's like mixing fans with diesel.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: That's what he said to you, and no, that's what
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I said on.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: The song with Nipsey.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: In the text, it sounds like he's kind of said
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the same thing.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I said it in the song because
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: in that text he said, Yo, you know, my ego
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: got to die. So it's like when that shit leaks,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: it's like people are like, oh.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: You heard what he's saying about you.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, nigga, I'm not a cloud chasing ass nigga. Bro,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I'm solid and I stand on mine and I'm not
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: about to do something because everyone thinks a certain thing.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: Like we already talked about it. I already got an
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: apology for it.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And your shirt right now, since I do not care
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: about their opinions Yeah, why would you care about the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: opinions of other people if you know what it is
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: between you and.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's what it's been.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You know, I ain't really had too much communication with
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: him since then, and you know, but I just want
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: to let like, I represent a lot of people from
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: my city, from where I come from, fans of mine
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: who think I didn't stand on my ship, and that's
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: not the case.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: That's what I want to clarify.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I wasn't being a bitch nigga or like tucking my
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: tail or nothing like that. And if it was real smoke,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: if it was really something to stand on, I would
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: be full front. I would be there, front and center
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: for it, and I would be prepared, you know what
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. But it's not and people want to make
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: something that is not. So that's something that I never
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: really got a chance to clarify. And you know, to me,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it's better to be about business and to be authentic
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: and like, if there's literally not a problem there, then
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not about to feed into no narrative that isn't
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: true that I know isn't true.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Drake and Kendrick situation be
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it stepped over stepped on
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: your return because because you dropped precision precision, yeah, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: didn't like that dropped like a week later, and it
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: feels like it just drown dropped the same day. It
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: was the same day, but you did drop a freeestot
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: a week before though my tripping.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: I dropped it like a two days before.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feel like it drowned. It feels like it drowned,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: like that just drowned that out.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It did drown it out.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: It was like, but you got to think about it
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: if it's like metro booming in future And then Kendrick
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: addressing j Cole and Drake my first person shooter, you're
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: kind of involving a whole kind of like it's a
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: whole thing. It's like a whole you know, as opposed
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to me. I hadn't even dropped music in years, bro,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm just like a return, So I understood it
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: was I was surprised too. I was just like everybody else, like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: oh shit, Like you know.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Aren't you glad that you and Kendrick never really got
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: into it though, because that could have been you Sean,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that could be what could have been he did drake
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: pretty dirty?
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: He did?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: That could have been Would you have been ready for
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: all of that?
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I guess we'll never know.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, of course I would have been ready
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: for it. But what changes have you made to better
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: meet than you since the album got Well.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Luckily it wasn't the album. It was kind of like
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a couple of things from the album, you know, Luckily
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: it wasn't the album, So I think whoever did that though,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: it was just kind of like it was just kind
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of fucked up to do.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know why.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: You know, they said, oh, you was talking about Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, was talking about me too, you know what.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: So it's like we all saw drink champs. Yeah, what
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the fuck did you find out who leaked the album?
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: And what made you have to get on Instagram Live
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: and clear up that it wasn't Kanye?
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Oh nothing made me do that.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I just was like on Instagram Live vibing and I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: saw someone in the comment or some shit, and like
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: it just popped in my head, Like I didn't have
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: like a script ready for Instagram Live. But I just
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: don't think that Ya would do some shit like that,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: because maybe I'm giving him too much credit. I don't know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: because it's like I know, I wouldn't do no shit
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: like that, Like I wouldn't leak, like I got a
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: hell of Kanye's songs unreleased on my hard drive.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: I would never because ideas that.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: I was working on or seeing if I could contribute
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: to that, I would never leak because that's just like,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: that's just uh. Since now this is not my character.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Have you spoken him since then?
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Since drink Champ?
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: No, since the well really since the album leaked? I
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: guess nah, okay, nah? How was your relationship now?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And can you have a relationship with a person who
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: shitted on you the way he did on Drink Champs
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: and he owes you six million dollars? Can y'all ever
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: have a genuine relationship?
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: He doesn't owe me the money anymore. It got resolved,
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: but someone paid me. I guess it was him.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: But word, yeah, but I took a little less than
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I probably. I just wanted to end it instead of
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: going to court for some ship over that.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: What was the haircut? It was six minutes, What was
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the head of What was the head cut? How much
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: did you end up getting?
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Let's see, that is none of your business.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: But You're good though, y'all he did pay you basically.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, So the thing was I had an issue,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and I had an issue because I kept privately being like, yo,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I need my money to his lawyers, to him, not
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to not really bringing it to him so much because
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: I know the type of guy he is. He don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: be dealing with all of the business aspect of things
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: all the time, you know what I'm saying.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: So I'm doing it properly.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going through the proper channels management that like, you
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then after years go by,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: it's not like I was super hurting for it. But
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: at the same time, it's like, first of all, and
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to get it misconstrued, like signing to
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Good Music was the best thing that could have happened.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: To me in that moment in my life period. I
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: don't take it for granted.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It was a golden opportunity signing to my favorite artists
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: at the time and being able to sell one hundred
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and eighty five.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Million records under Good Music. You know what I'm saying.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: It was a dream come true and his only profitable
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: artists at that So it's like I wore that good
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: music and still do. I still fuck with the brand
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: and what it did for me and everything, And there's
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: a part of me that will forever fuck with ya
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: because of that too.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: For signing me. You know, I'll never discount that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, with the deal I signed,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: he made more money off of me my music to me,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: which is totally fine.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I'm not complaining about that. It's just a fact.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: People be trying to take this so much as a fact.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: It's just a fucking fact. So when your old money
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: off of a deal that you're already getting the lesser
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: part of.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: It, and you're hitting.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'm hitting up Death Jam because I'm audered in Depth Jam.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: Jeff Harlston. You know, Jeff, I'm like, Yo, I need
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: my money, bro, Like, where the fuck is my money?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Because I'm audered in Depth Jam. Every time I ordered
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Depth Jam, there's money sitting there. And then when I
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: really broke it down and they were like, oh, yo,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: you sold one hundred and eighty five million records, I'm like, wait,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: this don't equate right, where's mobi million dollars? Six million dollars.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: No one's getting back to me. No one's getting back
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: to me. So then I drop a record, I drop
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: a feature on Bunnie to Benny the Butcher's album, and
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I say something about it like niggas that's up, beas
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: that owe me? M's I'm talking about depth jam. Later
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: on I realized, oh no, your money got paid a
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: long time ago to good music. Okay, I don't give
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: a fuck. Where's my money? Oh no, you got to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: hit up yay for that? Oh shit, okay, yay, where's
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: my money? Oh you know, I'm not getting a straight
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: answer from no one. So then I'm like, bro, y'all
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: playing with my money. This is ridiculous after all of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the times where I sat in the studio contributed, not
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: got any credit on shit, which is, like I said,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not even complaining about that is what it is.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: But the point is like I need my money that's
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: owed to me, you know what I'm saying. So that
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: was that's all that was. I ended up settling because
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I ain't want to deal with it no more. I
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: wanted to move past it because that shit is all
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: the energy too m h. So you know, and after
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: he said what he said, and then I got back
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: up with him after he said what he said on Drink.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: Champs, y'all did connect after drink Chap, Yeah, and.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I'm just person phone in person Yeah, and he said,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: you know, he said what he said.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not into like godshipp and stuff.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: But he said what he said, and it made me
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: realize that I can't really take I couldn't really take
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: all what he was saying serious or on that drink Champs.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Very performative, very performative, And that's the That's how I am.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: That's like probably one of the reasons why, like I
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: feel like that's what I'm not. That's what he's good at,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm not so good at that, you know, because
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like I don't like doing things that don't feel
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: real or like you know where you know, when we
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: were there, it was like, oh yeah, make sure they get.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: A picture of us leaving here so they can I'm like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: what nigga, you saying something?
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: That shit about me though, you know what I mean, Like,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: I hate that sucking shit.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I don't like that type shit. I don't like the
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: type of I don't know, like.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: I'm the type of person I value my relationships. Yeah,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: So if I've ever called you a friend. If I've
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: ever called you a family, I really mean that. So
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: if you do something like that to me, and I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: would never do that to you, it's hard for me
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that would look at you the same. EMBO.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was just pissed because he felt
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: like I chose Drake over him. That that relates back to, like,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: I only bring that up because he brought that up
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: to somebody who told me something you said, Drake. I'm
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: like in twenty fifteen talking about the song Blessings where
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I wrote helped Yay write his verse for the song
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: after he heard the song was I have to be
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: on it, and I helped him write his verse and
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: then I told him you got to turn it into
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the master and plan tomorrow, bro, because my album is
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: about to come out. I wake up the next By
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the way, I'm doing way too much as an artist,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: like I shouldn't even have to be worried about it
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: like this. I'm checking in like an A and R.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Would Hey, did he send a verse to mastering? Oh no,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: he still didn't. I called his engineer, yo. Did he say,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: oh no, we still I'm like, bro y'all bush y'all
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: playing if he wants to be on a song, you
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: need to send it. We ended up doing a video
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: version and the radio version. But for some reason, he
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: thinks because Drake didn't want him on that song. But
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm putting ya on this song anyway,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: because Yay put me on. If he wants to be
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: on the song, He's going to be on the song.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: So even though I've said that to his face, he
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: just don't hear me or some shit. So for some
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: reason he just think that I would be unloyal or
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: some shit. I really don't know. I can't speak for him.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: In fact, I don't like speaking for other people. But
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just from my perspective, it was something along those
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: lines with.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: That manager rap Egos is crazy.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about all of that?
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I think that you should have done what
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: was best for you and your album in that moment.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I think that, you know, sometimes when you deal with
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: anxiety and you do about the depression, because I deal
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: with the same thing with people. Please us and we
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to let people down, right, but then we're
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the ones that constantly ended up getting let down, Like
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta burst it. I want to talk
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: about later on. It says something like that, but.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's true though, Bro, it's like I
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: be giving a fuck too much about these people that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: don't give.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: A fuck none. I mean, I don't know.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: I can't speak from like I said, but it's.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Like I be trying to protect people too much, just like,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: but it's not in my character to put people ship
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: out there and be dirty like that. That's really not
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: who I am. And I say that with pride, you know.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't say that like it's just not that's not
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: who I am.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: So especially if I'm spending all this time doing all
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: this work on myself, and I can look at you
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: and tell that you need to do a lot more
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: work on yourself, so you have grace for that person. Yeah,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: but that don't mean that you could have continually, continuously
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of person that shit on you no period.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Looking back on your experiences with depression and anxiety, do
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you believe it had a negative impact on your career?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that everything happened exactly how it was
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: supposed to?
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: They gotta be how everything happened exactly how it's supposed to,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: because if anything would have been different, it may have
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: not let me to the moment that I'm in now,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: where I got a beautiful son, I got a beautiful life,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and I got a lot of experiences, and I got
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of knowledge. And if things would have happened differently,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: who knows what it could have turned out as.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: But you know, I think everything happens how it's supposed
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: to happen.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Sure, let's talk about your son. On the new album,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: you got a song where you sample get on Up,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: and on that record you address your son. One of
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: the balls that really stood out to me is I
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: look into my son's eyes and still see his innocence.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: I see my inner child and him instilled the remnants.
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Will he lose it to the world or is it imminent?
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Or will he have the confidence that me and his
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: mom instilled in him? So it made me wonder when
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I heard that line. I'm like, damn, are you raising
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: your son out of fear or love?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I'm raising him out of love one thousand percent. Like
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: that's a good question though, because it kind of does
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: contemplate that. But the thing about the difference between fears
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: when those questions arise is the action you take on them.
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: To me, so like me recognizing that, Like, you know,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I look at too my son's I see his innocence,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: I see my inner child to him is still the remnants?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Will he lose it to the world is imminent? Or
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: is it something that me and his MoMA had instilled
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: to him? And the confidence you lose you could build again.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: It's like I kind of feel like, even though there
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: is a having a kid for me has been one
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: of the most like scariest things, most beautiful but scariest
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: in a way of like it's a new territory of
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: new emotions that I didn't even know I could have,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Like the way that I love my son and like
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: feel connected to him in all moments and consider him
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: and like has transformed me for the better. And it's
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: also like a very soft spot. It's like that, it's
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: like I could do without anything. I can't do without him,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I thank God every
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: day for his like presence and him waking up in
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: his health, and like, you know, I got these affirmations
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: I say every day, and like I'm real serious about
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it because I really appreciate who he is and what
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: he's here to do. You know, I think he's here
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: to do some great things. But I definitely am raised
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: him out of love, you know, and any fear, it's
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: not really fear, but any time where there's uncertainty, I
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: have to trust that it's all going to work out
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: for the best, you.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Know, because you know, we as black men. And I
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: always say this from the perspective of my father, Like
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: I know, my father raised me how to more fear
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: and love just because he didn't want me to make
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the same mistakes he made. He was just afraid of
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: what the world may do to me.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why I think I think a lot
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: of our parents, I think a lot of us were
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: raised out of fear and a fear based way. And
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: what I mean by that is like even my dad
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: just like I remember one of the things he would
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: always say, it's like, man, life isn't fair.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: That's a belief that.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: You're a meeting passing down to your son, like life
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: is a fair. It's just hard out here, and that's
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: his experience. But it's like, you know, like you gotta
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: work hard. That's one thing that I'm not necessarily gonna
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: steal in my son. It's like I've seen my dad
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: and my mom have two jobs, four jobs between them,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: and they be broke as hell and they be like
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: in debt.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: And then I've.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Seen billionaires who work an hour day. It got all
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: this money, and it's not about how hard you work.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: That's maybe a factor of it, that may be a
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: part of it, but it's really about how smart you work,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: And I think that.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I don't want to project anything onto my son. All
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I want to do is just support him whatever he does.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: But I think like another one was the fear of money.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Like I got that from my family growing up, Like
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: we didn't have a lot of money, right, so it's like, oh,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: you gotta really be, you know, conservative, and it has
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: taught me a lot. Talk about it on Break the
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Cycle with Charlie Wilson on my album. But it's the
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: fear of of scarcity, you know, not having enough that
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I you know, somehow nowadays, I just kind of have
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: an agreement with God and like that no matter what,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I'm always because I always have more than enough to
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: take care of myself and the people around me that
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: you know, I choose to take care of.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: And I truly believe that.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: How has your relationship with Jannay and being a father
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: changed the way you approached you approach life.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: It's taught me to.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Not it's like you have to consider more than just
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: yourself and you have to you know, Janey has definitely
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: taught me to like really make sure she kind of
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: is aligned with Like one of those things that I'm
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: aligned with is like.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: This career, this music isn't everything.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: This is everything, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: just that more so, And that kind of goes into
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: the concept that I was saying earlier about.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: We get so caught up.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: In like our careers, being successful, all these things. Right
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: when you realize you really you got to understand success
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: is a feeling more than it is in a mount
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: but of something because all that's conditional.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It's really a feeling, but it's subjective. It's subjective.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: But when you look back and you know that when
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: it started the interview, I said, what if? What if
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: our point of life was really to advance our souls
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: for real? And that you know, I'm not saying a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: career isn't an important part of that of your legacy,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: but let's not neglect that part of it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: And I feel like that's what.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Having a family and raising Noah is like makes keeps
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: that in perspective for me, it's like, yeah, it's rat career.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: People can say what they say having opinions, but you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: you writing a book and all this stuff, but that's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: not what it's all about, you know what I mean,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: that's what I would have saw. That's just so that's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: just a part of life and the real thing is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: like progressing your soul.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: So you know, she she definitely is someone who.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Thinks in a similar way, you know, but having a
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: kid definitely makes it hard in a lot of ways
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to just like a newborn, you know, when they're younger.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: It definitely takes a lot of energy, but it's rewarding though,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: you know, you get you get so much from it
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: How important is it to have a partner that's on
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: a healing journey like you are, because has been open
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: about her mental health struggles as well.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, it is important to have, especially like
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I want to really these questions I'm answering honestly too, I.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: Hope so would you lie? You lie in other interviews?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking it through.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: That's why it's kind of like sometimes I have to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: like think about the all shood a little bit.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's always good to have someone that you
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: could talk to.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna sit up and say like we're
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: always on the same page, like we have a lot
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: of we have a lot of things to work out ourselves.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure like everyone, but it does boil
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: down to the same it does boil down to the
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: same beliefs of like she she definitely is someone who
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: believes in like healing and believes in uh, you know,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of meditation, a lot of putting and putting
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: it into the work, you know what I'm saying, and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: not really so focused on like oh the charts or
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: this or that. It's like, that's one thing I really
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: appreciate about her is that she puts like how she
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: feels and where her heart is. And that's something that
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: I have been doing and striving to do as well,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's some ortant to have that type of.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Just that's a person like that that you can always
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: talk to and be aligned with.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: You know. I know she's on tour, so who's taking
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: care of taking care of No?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: She Noah's been with her for like the first leg
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: of the tour and yeah, so she only did that,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: she did it. She was gone for a month, but yeah,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: he was that was his first experience on the road. Yeah,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: he's been in you know, they started in Detroit. Like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: my mom and dad and brother are all spending time
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: with him as well.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: So it was it's been cool.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: You know. I had a conversation with a Tank recently.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: It was very hard for me. It was very hard
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: for yeah, man, that ship.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: It was tough. She was way tougher than I thought.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: Why didn't you go out for a couple of dates
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: on the rule man?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Because I had my own commitments that I had got
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: committed to previous. It was like, I wanted to be
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: there for the Detroit show, but I had to perform
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: at this.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I committed.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: I committed to this Beverly Hills cop thing, and then
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: this festival in Chicago, and then these meetings and things
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: about finishing my book and album and all sorts of stuff,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: and it's.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Just like life, life was life, Yeah.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: You know, So unfortunately I couldn't just you know, be
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: there for that first part. But I'm definitely gonna like
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: make some shows and be there.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk to you about just the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: music shit with you because I had a conversation with
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Tink on Breakfast Club recently and she's on tour with Jane,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: and she was saying, for her, Jenea is the blueprint
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: for so many of the R and B you know girls.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I knew people liked them, but
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't know she was looked at like like that.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: So get that being your lady. Yeah, as an artist,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: do you see her like that? Yeah?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: I said this on like on the Coach Cella stage.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like she was when it comes to like, uh,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: the n like the new arm, newer R and B.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how to phrase that, but
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: like the twenty tens, you know, kind.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: Of like the Summer Walk.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's like she was like, she's like the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: prototype to me of that, you know, of like that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: type of style of music, the mixtapes, the you know.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: And I've seen them meet Jane and say that to her.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: I've seen Somemmer Walker say that to Janney. I've seen like,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I mean not that specifically, but in that in that
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: realm of things.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like she is. She is definitely
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: that blueprint.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I've heard that quite a bit and I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: think that's true.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you two do another twenty eighty eight project.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: There has been music made. Yeah, but I don't.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Want to speak for her, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I saw in an interview she said that you know
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: that the door is open there, and it is, but
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just leave that it's definitely a possibility, and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: you know there is some music made for sure.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: What's stopping you off and getting married? Y'all already did
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: one of little secret industry weddings.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: No, No, there has not been a secret industry marriage.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: It's a little personal, you know what I mean. But
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: just like to be real with you, just like any
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: people who have dealt with love, We've had our ups
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: and downs, you know what I'm saying, And I think
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: it's still find in the right navigation through it all.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if, like if to me, marriage symbolizes
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: like the best relationship.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: You know, people be like, oh, you got to get
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: married to me?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like having a relationship is first and foremost,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: and like marriage is a byproduct of that.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people get the idea.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Of like, oh, you have to get married, but then
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: it's like, to me, that's almost a fear based way
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: of thinking too, because then people be getting divorced.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: The divorce rate so fucking high.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: And I am someone who I'm not like discounting anything,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: and I'm not saying that we aren't going to get married.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is is that it's just I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: would like to do a lot. I would like to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: and I don't like putting our personal business out there
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: like that either, but there's a lot of work that
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: needs to be done.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: I feel like, in general.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: We'll take it for somebody who's been with their woman
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: for twenty six years, Right, it's always gonna be ups
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: and downs, period. The work's never gonna stop. Yeah, especially
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: raised twenty six years with twenty six years, got married
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Oh so you're married with.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: It, it's gonna always be what took you sixteen years
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: to get married?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. It's kind of like I really
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. I really truly honestly don't know. In my mind,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I felt like I wasn't where I needed to be,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: right but I do. I did know this is the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: person I want to be with for the rest of
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: my life. So my mentality is, hey, I already know
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's nothing. No relationship is gonna be
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: perfect all the time. So if you're thinking that you
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: gotta wait for this fairy tale, magical awakening where everything's
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be all good all the time, it's just like, no,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: not the way life is.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't think it's that. I think
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: that it's just seems so many different.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: The thing about Jane is that we're so many We
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: have so many relationships. It's like being peers, being in
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: a group together, parents, romantic all that.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: It's like it's a crazy.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: It's a crazy connection because no matter what, we're always
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: going to be tied together, no matter what. So I
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: think that that doesn't discount that, like she and me
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: both have to be on the same page, not to
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: say we aren't, but I feel like I can only
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: speak for myself that there needs to be like more
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: work done so we could keep going.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of focus on.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Our family, there's a lot of focus on careers and everything,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: and that is something that I feel like has not
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: been the main focus.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: So y'all not necessarily together now, y'all just figuring it out?
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, look now look at you shot question. No,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that either. That's you know. What I'm
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: saying is is that it's not perfect and that it
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: needs to be work done.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we having this convoo because I was having
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: a conversation with to my young partners man, my man
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: really and he was he was talking about you, and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: he said he felt like you never had an identity
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: people gravitate to. He also felt like you never had
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: a story that people could connect with. So even when
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: you wrap your heart out, you know, it might not
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: necessarily work because you lack those other things. Wow. So
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: when you hear that, I'm gonna ask you getting more
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: thoughts on yourself when you hit people.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: I think that just comes from me not wanting to
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: share my you know how, Like some people are really
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: good at like putting themselves on social media, like Cardi
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: B is an example right here. Like you know, people
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: like like Cardi.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Was there before music though, right, Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: That never was just natural to me sharing my story
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: so much. And I kind of live in a life
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: where I always went against the grain when it came
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to like even like from the traite, like being from detroiting,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: like not rapping the way everyone else rapped her, like
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: not rapping about even the same shit everyone rap.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I my stepbrother got locked up fifteen times, just like.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: I've seen people die. I've seen all sorts of shit.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: But it's like and I and I rap about that,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: but I don't rap about it from a in a
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: like I'm not a gangster rapper period, you know, because
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: that's not what I wanted to portray. That's not how
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I felt, even though I saw it, even though that
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: may have been authentic to me, I just that ain't
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: what I was trying to put out in the universe
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: type shit. So I respect anyone decision. But at the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: same time, you know, I think that I'm honest, and
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: I think that there's DNA and all of the music
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: that I put out, and maybe people haven't listened to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: it all. But I've been honest with myself. I put
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: my heart out of my music and I've kept it
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: real and never like front it.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: You know, never like faked it or like you know, period.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: I told you earlier that I love when you be
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: in your bag where you are rapping, and I can
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: hear that you've been doing the work, like like the records,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: like break the cycle of boundaries, which we're going to
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: get into, like those records. I'm like, Okay, that's Sean
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: is in his bag. When the other stuff is you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: just rapping because you're nice.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I can say that the other stuff
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: is like, I still want to do the other stuff too.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: I'm just having fun, Like I just like like feeling
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: the energy of it. And but I also when I
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: feel the need of like getting a message off, I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: attached that to it too, But sometimes I just like
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: having fun with it, you know. And people can say
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: take that out of how they want to take it.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: But at least I did this ship my way, man.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: At least I like kept it true to me, you know.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: So I know people always got something to say, and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: I welcome that. But at the same time, you know, shit,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: I'm just said, I'm just doing my thing, Like I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: don't really make music for it to be so picked apart.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: When I'm doing the song, I'll be like, Oh, they're
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: gonna pick this apart like this.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: And that and that and that.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: I just be doing it and I just be like,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: oh I like it, and then yeah.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: It it goes how it goes. But you know, you know,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: we talked about precision earlier and you did that recorden
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: you had food poison all right, mm hm, and you said,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: I think where I lack most is an artists consistency.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: I just haven't had the energy to compete with enemies.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Are y'all so called biggo three? You want to expound
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: on that bar a little bit.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: More, Oh yeah, Just I mean, like I just the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: hunger and like for competition kind of never took the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: presidents over like me like working on myself and saving
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: my life because that thing. Remember I told you at
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: that time of my life, I have to like fall
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: back and get my shit to get Yeah. Absolutely, you
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's that's kind of what I
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: meant by that.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: So the reason you didn't have the energy to compete
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: is because you was dealing with depression, Because you was
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: dealing with anxiety.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say depressing and anxiety. I was
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: just care more about myself since then, to like think
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: about that or you know, but if I have to compete, bro,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely down. Like I don't want to make it
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: seem like I'm not with that, but it's never really
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: been an honest, like blatant challenge that I felt needed
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: to be addressed, you know, like that.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Drink on Control. He leaked goll it down for everybody
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: on that though.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: But let's not forget who put control there, Bro, I'm
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: the one who put it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I was the one who put
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: the whole thing together.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Did you ever think you wanted to go change your
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: verse just to no?
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, no I didn't because I respected that he thought
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: of that's a name of people and do all that.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: But let's not forget who put control out and whose
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: song it is.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I did that because I cared that. I knew that
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: I when I thought about it. When I got the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: verse back, I'm like, man, that was real interesting that
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: he chose.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: That that perspective.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't about to be like, oh, you can't
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: do that like on my song. I was like, shit,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: he either gonna get it off here or somewhere else.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: It was like, fuck it, you know, let's run it.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: But they didn't clear the song. You know what I'm
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: saying after it came out, and I took that bullet
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: for the culture.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: It didn't get clear.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: What you mean, it didn't get clear.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Like the reason it wasn't on my album is because
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: they didn't clear it.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: He didn't clear Yeah, because of all the controversy and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: drama that it a mass I assume.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: Or you know, it's already out though. That was what
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. I'm like, we agreed to do the song,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: put it out. I'm like, put it on my album.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh no, you know, you know, I never
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: really got a full explanation of why that didn't just
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: never got cleared, but it was and it wasn't like
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't clear it, And yeah, it.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: Does it upset you that you aren't in the big
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: three combo?
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: I think I am in the Big three? Convo?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: What big three combo? The big thing? Man? You're not
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: in the what you mean? You know? The combo is Drake,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Kendrick and Cold. That's what's always been.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: And I hear my name around that a lot.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: So outside of the Big Three, I actually think it's
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: a fantastic four because I throw future in that, okay,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: but not because of lyrics, but just because of impact
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: over the last decade plus. And then I think after that,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: that's when you talk about the Shawn's, the wallets. That's why.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: That's why I go, well, there's only one me and
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: there's only one yl A. So okay, so the Big
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: three covers.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: So what's the question or do you ever be upset
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: that you're not in that combo well ship?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: I hear my fucking name of all the time when
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: people talk about this big three stuff, and like, believe
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: it when you said you're so whoever? Who do you
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: say you're bigger three? I don't just know your so
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: called bigger three?
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, so what people think.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeh yeah, we got you think. Yeah, that's why
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: I said you're so called bigger three.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: You know what a general consus.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: But I also understand that I have been very inconsistent
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: as an artist. My consistency is where I lack. I
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: say that in that too. It's like I haven't put
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: out I put out you know, I haven't put out
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: music in four years, bro essentially, you know what I mean.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: I haven't put a project out, So I can't expect
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: to be in in that conversation when I haven't been
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: consistently feeding the feeding hip hop and feeding fans and
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: feeding you know, And that's something that as an artist,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: it hurts because I do need to do people who
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: do rock and ride for me, like I want to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: give them reasons to be fans, and I think that
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: just comes with more consistency. But I think I'm at
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: a point in my life where I can produce more
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: but still keeping on God's time and in my time.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: But you know, I think the way my life is going,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: it's like that's one of my priorities is to like
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: put more music out with meaning too, though you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: with still that feeling of okay, feeling good about it.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all God works. Look what my next question was,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: can you be upset by what you haven't gotten out
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: of rap if you know that you haven't been as
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: consistent as the.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: People in the Big Three, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like I'm not delusional, like I haven't been
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: putting our music so that's one of the yeah. But
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: I do feel like when it comes to rapping abilities
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: that I have no limit on my rapping abilities. I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: feel like I can keep improving and keep getting better,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: and I can hang with anybody on any song, you know,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: And I've proven that absolutely with all of them. Yeah,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: and even like we control the next song we did,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: I made sure I had a better verse on Holy
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: Key with and that's just you know, that wasn't That
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: was just because I was like, wait, holder, you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: I gotta like make sure I'm repping my shit proper
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I remember, I told you when I started this interview,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I wanted people to get clarity on who Sean is.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: And I think we're doing that because I want to
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: ask you, like, you know, That's why I keep bringing back,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: bringing it back to your mental health journey, because how
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: do you think your mental health journey affected your positioning
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: in the game, whether whether it be how it impacted
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: your creativity, how people perceived you, how you carry yourself
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: because in this game, you still got to show up
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of times even when you don't want to.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's exhausting. It's exhausting having to show up.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: What was the question again, I'm sorry.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: How do you feel like your mental health journey affected
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: your positioning in the game.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: You know, how how did my mental health journey affect
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: my positioning pause in the game.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: This game isn't about Those are two different things, right, So.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: It's not really a supportive thing.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Like this industry in general isn't supportive of mental health
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: in the sense. What I mean by that is things
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: like consistency, things like staying hot, things like being you
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: know this and that necessarily don't always align with mental health,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And that word mental health
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: got a stigma around it to me because it's like,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: I don't sit here and be like my arm health
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: is good today.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: To me, it's health right.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: And I feel like when you think about a lot
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: of our industry, a lot of people hide as fucked.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: That's how they deal with being having to be so
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: on all the time. You're highest shit, that's what That's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: what what I was dealing with too. I had to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: figure out a way to get by, to make it through.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: So niggas be high, niggas be drunk, niggas be off,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: lean off, pills, off all this ship right to be
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: able to function in this game because it's so exhausting
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: and taxing, and I'm straight up here raw dogging all
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: my emotions and ship. I'm like fighting this shit sober.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, are you are you sober or
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: what you do?
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: You do anything? I do edibles? I do edibles, you know,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I like I like my tequila, you know, blood blood,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: plus I experience with plant based medicines. But for spiritual purposes,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: like I'm been a atuasca. I've done sure wow, oh yeah, absolutely.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I want to hear about that. You ain't gonta talk
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: about it now. I've been shrooms too. I've done this
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: ship and I and I'm not saying I wouldn't do it,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: But lately I've just been keeping like I've just been,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: you know, keeping a clear mind, especially while I'm like
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: especially while I was working on this book, working on it,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: finishing this album. Definitely, Like there's a song on the
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: album with me and Thundercat where I was off shrooms.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: We were all off shrooms.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: Making the album, I mean, making the song Black Void.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: But I think that, to answer your question, I think
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with my positioning in the game.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: To me, I think that those are two separate things,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to use the excuse of mental
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: health on why I haven't been as consistent as I
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: could be as an artist or as I would like
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: I think that's just how it happened.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: But if you you know, dealing with about the depression
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: and you don't feel like going to the studio, you
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: have some personal Yeah, if you don't want to go
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: make disappearance because you know you're feeling a way, you
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: have that right to not do that either. But all
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: those things do affect, you know, your career.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that a lot of people take
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: hiatuses and ship you know.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: I think like.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Some people don't, but some people do. And it's just
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: about you, you being accepting where you are with it,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: you know. But I think that that just shows the
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: importance of putting yourself and to me, it's important to
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: put myself first. So yeah, I'm probably not as big
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: as an artist as I could be or all these things.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: I don't blame my mental health for it though, you know.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: In fact, I think that the best part of life
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: is being able to enjoy it, and that took a
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: lot of time from that took a lot of effort
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: for me to get there.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: We got a few more questions on boundaries another record.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy you say you got to set boundaries
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: because everybody wants a piece of me, and now you're
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: a piece of me.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, everyone, I gotta start saying everybody wants
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: a part of me, Now I'm a piece of me.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's still a bar.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that, But dealing with the part of
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: me that people hardly see, you know, I gotta fall
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: back and just get organized. That's just how I remember
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: feeling that way, specifically.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: Literally at that point in my life life.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: And it just when I got that loop from Keiwayne,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I just was pouring my soul out. I wasn't even
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: thinking about it, you know. And I think it's important
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: for people to recognize when they're at that point in
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: their life of like halving a step back and get organized,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: because when you do, you bringing your obviously your best
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: self to the situation. You're gonna be ten times more productive,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: ten times happier, ten times or however many times. You know,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: you're just gonna be a way better, more efficient version
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: of yourself if as long as you sharp and your
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: heart is in it, you know, And that's something that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if my heart was always in music,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: but I think I was overthinking it. It's not that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: it wasn't always in music, it just was. I don't
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: think I was all the way aligned with my heart.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: At certain times in my life, I was too much
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: in my head. I was overthinking things, or you know,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: trying to thinking of thinking things analytically through when sometimes
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: to me, thinking is the lowest version of feeling something.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Really, life is an intuitive thing.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Is you feel through and overthinking it.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Is definitely required in a lot of situations.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: But I feel like when you're being creative and when
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: you're experiencing the bliss and joys of life is to feel.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: It more so than think about it.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: You know, absolutely on the Radar freestyle, yeah my guy
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: gave p you chose the rapper over Leah if your
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: girl lonely knew, you know, being a Detroit native, what
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: does what does the Leah me? Neil? I mean, you know,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: people don't know Lea.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: It was from Detroit. She was like the.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Queen of Detroit at that point, you know, because there
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: was nobody in that nineties R and B. Really that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: was like popping like a Leah you know, all songs
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: with R Kelly. And you know, my stepbrother went to
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: school Leah, and I remember us picking him up from
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: school and being like, yo, they're calling Leah right there.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: Like she was like still going to school when she
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: first started at DSA.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: So it was just cool to see that, you know
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: what I'm.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Saying, and to see and you know, obviously it was
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: such a tragedy when she died, but she definitely was
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: like to me as a Detroit icon absolue, you know,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to rap on.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: I was rap.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I've been rapping on Jay Dillerbe's too, and rapping on
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: just like things that I feel like are important to keep.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Like their legacy. Yeah, you know what I mean. You
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: referenced it earlier when you talked about the line niggas
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: looking for engagement, like they got their need been. I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: got better thing to do to find somebody to beef with.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Everybody thought you was talking about Kendrick. My guy DJ
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: Head said he spoke to you and he said that
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you wasn't talking about Kendrick. It was directed at another Gemini,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: So I'm just assuming Kanye.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was the point I was saying, like
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I got better things to do than to beef.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: Kanye, Yeah, got you, Yeah, but not to know.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just like talking my shit. Really, who that goes
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: for anyone? I mean they could apply to anybody. Yeah,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: that could apply to ya, Kendrick whoever. Like, I got
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: better things to do than find someone to be with.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't say I want to find someone to be with.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: So to me, it's like, who the fuck matters? Who
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: the fuck I'm talking about? I said, I don't want it,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: That's not where I'm going.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I think the Internet was gassing it up because they wanted.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: To see They want to see it.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: They want to see Kendrick go at somebody else. So
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: if Kendrick and Sean is the next one, let's line
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: it up right. That's what I think was happening.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: I think people just for like.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, just looking for engagement, like I said, And
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: the thing people looking for engagement like they got their
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: need bent. It's like, I don't think people give a
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: fuck about especially these mediatis. They don't give a fuck
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: about me. They don't give a fuck about Kendrick neither.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: They just looking for the That's it. You know, I'm
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: not gonna t say who I talk to, but one
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: of my homies who does like hip hop journalism, He
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: was like, Bro, I made the most money I ever
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: made from this Drake and Kendrick Beef by just doing
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: reaction videos and like talking about it. Then I have
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: in ten years of like doing hip hop, right, who's
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: that Rob Mark?
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: My god? Robbed by the way, when you say hip
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: hop journalists, there's only two, there's only a couple of
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: my opinions, So it's like, well, he is a real
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: hip hop is one of the best, best, one of
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: the best, he is, if not the best.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob Markman is like that guy. So yeah, it
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: was Rod Mark.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was just saying that, like it's not
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: about like people giving you know, man, I really be
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: feeling weird, like talking about speaking on behalf of other people.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: That's like, I don't know why get it natural to me,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: but it's something we'd like, I get it.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, who who is the rappers that got
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: matching tattoos? And why are you shooting sliminals at them?
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: Subliminal? Why why is it a subliminal?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't know who you was talking about. Mad people
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: asking that question? Who's the rappers that got matching tattoos.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: So many rappers got matching tattoos.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: Why they ain't the same cruel or something.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: You could pull up the internet and be like rappers
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: with matching tattoos. There's been times where I've been in
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: the studios, like rappers that hated each other, and I'd
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, niggas got a match tattoos, like on purpose,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: be back cool.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: They they'll be back cool.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Like on purpose matching tattoos, Like, let's got out to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: the pall together.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know, bro, I'm not there, but what I'm
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: saying is I see it.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: And I was just I wasn't necessarily throwing a subliminal
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: at people who do that. That's people got their own
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: lives that they owned individuals. I was talking about the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: industry in general. That's why I said, let me think,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: what did I say right there? I said, Man, this
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: industry is terrible. I can't even vouch. I seen grown
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: men get matching tattoos for the cloud. I had train
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: wrecks and kick home records out of my house. I
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: seen eight figure checks that once hit my account. That's
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: showed me enough to feeling dog. It's not an amount
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: because I've been up and still hungry, like I'm down
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: for the count. So to me, I feel like, yeah,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I pointed that out, but that's not me judging.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out a fact. Yeah, so it's like, yeah,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: it's a fact that do people yeah yeah, got matching
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: tattoos with whoever? I don't know, and like do Cutty
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: and all these type of people got matching tattoos or
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: other rappers and shit, I seen it.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's bad. I don't even think that's wrong.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: I'm just pointing that out as a fact that you
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: know that that's kind of like, is what it is.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: He's looking at somebody who somebody was telling you not
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: to say something. No, oh damn, I know why. I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: saw Joe Buddy say something like this, And it's something
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: that people feel like it often feels like you don't
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: stand up for how you actually feel about things, and
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: people like you have these moments where you might throw
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: a jab but then you don't commit to it. Like
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: what he means by that I think he was talking about,
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  Speaker 1: which is this is like he feels like, you know,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: you thought he sneak This is the they ask who
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: you're talking about? It like, oh, I'm not talking about nobody,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: and like just for me, sneak, this is though subliminals.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: I call them subliminals, okay, And it's just like for me,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: it's like if you want to be how.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Many rappers be saying ship like Nigga stole my flow?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: How many of you know be saying shit.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: Like that or like what everybody? All of them? All right?
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: So why the fuck is this such a thing? Do
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: I got to say somebody name every time I'm just
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: talking my ship?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Like do I I think they want to see you
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: just commit one time? Like like if you want to
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: be in these elite rapper conversation.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I ever not committed? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: When have I ever not committed?
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: You saw this?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Nigga Kendrick send that text and said he you saw
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: the text? I don't even want to paraphrase it. So
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: when have I not stood up?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Like when like.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Anytime I got on a song like I did it?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Like well whoever Kendrick Drake, j Cole, who eminem jay
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: Z Like yay? Like I'm trying to figure out, like
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: and what context do you mean?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Like on control?
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was control h. I just
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: think it's just in general.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: I think it was that leaked Kendrick verse that people
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: are like, yo, why didn't you say anything when he
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: said you're finally famous for who you dating?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: Whoever boy or whatever he said? Now they know what confidence.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: But I just don't give a fuck because it's like
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: I talked to the nigga about it. I'm not a
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: cloud chasing that nigga. I'm much be solid. If it
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: was a real issue, if he would have texted him
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: been like, yeah, nigga, no, that's what it is, and
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: I would have been like, all right, for show, then
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: that's what it is, and I would have had to come.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 3: With my bars. But that's not the case. So if
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: it's not.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: If that's not the case, then how am I doing
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: anything but being solid?
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: I think after people see this conversation, they'll understand the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: context of why you have never said anything directly, and
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: they'll understand that maybe a lot of these subliminal that
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: they think are for one person are necessarily for that person, right,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: But I don't.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: I'm also not ducking shit. I'm not trying to say
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: that they not for anyone. Anyone could get it bro,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a fact. Anyone can't get it. And
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not sitting here trying to talk tough. I'm just
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: saying like I'm never like, I don't know where it
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: is fucking narrative. I think it's the lack of me
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: not expressing or clearing or controlling my narrative that's on
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: me of like yeah, like oh yeah, he said this
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: or that. But I've always just been solid enough to
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: come to the understanding that whatever I have between that person,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: that's what it is, instead of like having to clarify
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: with everyone, but the fact that you brought it up
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: and we sitting down like I'm definitely down to talk
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: about it, you know what I mean.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Whatever. So basically, if somebody really had an issue, you'd
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: be at the front door with Nobody's ever really.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: True if I thought it was worth it, okay, only
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: if I thought.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, if are there are there a list
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: of M seeds, the same way you wrote down a
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: list of labels you wanted to sign to are there
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: a list of M seeds? You would be like, Okay,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: I got something for this person, that person, that person,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: because these three.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: Are worth Noah, because I don't think like that.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: But I mean I'm not.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: There's nothing that's off limits, but you kind of also
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: have to like I can't just like take someone like
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: a new artist or like as serious as like one
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: of my peers that I came up with, you know
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, I feel like you at least
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: have to sell one hundred million records.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: So the Big three, anybody in the so called Big
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: three can get it.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they can get it, bro, But it's
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: like that's not my that's not the point of it.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: That's not like, yeah, they can get it. Just like
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: if you asked any of them, they would be like, yeah,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: he could get it if he you know what I'm saying,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: if it was that's.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: What it was.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not about to be like, no, is it
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: still a Big three after what we just saw this
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: ship because Kendrick said it, there's no Big three.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: It's just big mess hip hop. I don't know, changed
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: restructured so to speak, Big three or big me.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man Like to me, I never really
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: thought it was a big three. I kind of feel
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: like that was like a journalistic thing that got made up.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know who made that up Joe, was it
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: Elliott or I don't know someone.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's always been It's always been like that.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: I think that music is more expansive than it's ever been.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's so many people that can have
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: a great fan base that it's impossible for it to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: just be a big three because you look at all
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: of these, Like you got people like even a Boogie
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: who's like he has his own lane and he's doing
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: arenas and all sorts of shit. And then you got
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: people like Eminem, who when I was talking to Paul Rosenberg,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: he's literally the most popular he's ever been, like statistically.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: So it's like, is Eminem in the Big three?
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Like? Actually jay Z made up the Big three now
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: that I think about it, Jaz, who's the best of them,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: sees Biggie jay Z and os oh okay, So it's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: always been like that for different erarors. It's always got
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: to be like three. But to your point, it's never
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: been just three because Pot could easily have been in
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: at that time Biggie j Z and Ox. You had
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: to put Pocket.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Because Poc was a bigger artist, right.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I would don't know, man, I kind.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: Of think all that shit doesn't matter personally, and not
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: just because people be like, oh, he's not in it.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: He thinks it doesn't matter. I just think that.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: None of that's important. I think to just put out
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: your best music. It's Tyler the Creator in a situation
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: of the Big Three? A Big three? Is it like
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: different sections of Big Three's It's a But my point
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: being is that I think I just want to focus
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: on the music and not worry about my place and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: if I'm on a list or not.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think that that's when.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: You start being too analytical with it and just just
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: do do your ship, do your do your art, do
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: your express yourself.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. So to me, it's not
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: really a focus.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: But I got three more questions. You got a book
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: coming out, yeah, title Go Higher, five Practices for Purpose Success,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: And in a piece, what made you want to write
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: a self help book as opposed to a memoir? Oh?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: Here, I have a copy of the book for you.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: Think.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: Hey, I like how you took your shoes off before
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: you walked in this bitch too.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: So this is a readers, This is like a I
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: need that by the way.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, advanced Reader's edition, so it might be like a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: TYPEO or two because I.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: Read I read the book.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: I mean I wrote the book obviously, but I read
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: it through like three or four times. In this even
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: on this one, I'm like, yo, yeah, it's like it's
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: like a typo. What page is that? Anyway, you'll see
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: but this isn't the final, final, final first, it's been
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: swept through, but this is basically but I wanted to
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: give it to you. I need this last reader's edition
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: copy and what made me want to write a book? Well,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: so I did an interview with Jay Sheddy and at
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: the end of it he was like, you got to
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: write a book, bro. He was like telling you, I've
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: never said that to anyone after an interview, but he
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: was like, there's so many people that come from where
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: you come from that didn't have those guys and angels
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: like your mom and these people that taught you to manifest,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: that taught you to live, you know, how to how
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: to figure out, how to have faith, how to have
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: a foundation of consciousness, to get from point A to
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: point B, point C, point D. Like he was like,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: you got to like map that out for people that
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: come from where you come from, and that looked like
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: you that didn't have didn't have that right.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: So when he said that, I always wanted to do it.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: I always thought it was the thing I was going
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: to do later in my life, you know, like twenty
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: years down the line, you know. But I realized that,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: you know, time is is relative, like you got to
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: get it, get it, get it out, you know.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: If you have the message. So I sat down started.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: It took a couple of years, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: But I do feel like it's a it's a uh,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: what's the right word. It's it's a book that you
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: could keep returning to, like some of my favorites, like
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: the Four Agreements, classic Seven Spiritual Laws, all of these
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: things that I've read and kind of like gathered all
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: these gems and applied what I learned from I incorporated
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: in the book, and I talk about how I incorporated.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: I talk about a lot of parts in my career
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: and a lot of things that I've seen and just
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: like other experiences too.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: So it's really it's really.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: Helpful, I think, and I think that it's gonna improve
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: anyone who reads it, you know.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: I think there's something to take away.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: See, I feel like that's the next level of hip hop.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Like when I look at books like this, when I
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: look look at albums like Mister Morale and the Big
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Step of when I look at Chazy four, when I
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: hear the things that you're doing on your album to
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: break the cycle and boundaries, that's what the next fifty
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: years of hip hop looks like. Yeah, Like I heard
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Will Smith say one time, you know, damn, fifty years
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: is a long childhood, right, Yeah, so imagine what the
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: adulthood of hip hop is gonna look like.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's and it's like that just that mindset
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: right of like progression, ownership.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Balance, conversations about healing.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: Conversations about healing.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: You know, you talk to me about the stuff that
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: you've experienced with your dad.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: I talked to before the interview about stuff I experienced
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: with my dad, and it's just like they lived a
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: completely different life than us. And I know, you got
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: four kids.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: I got one kid, And.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what the progression of the next generation
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: is going to be as far as just like, first
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: of all, this is for my son's generation especially.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: It's like I wonder, like what it's like growing up with.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: These like iPhones and iPads and all this shit in
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: your face, because I feel like my generation, our generation
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: per se, it was like the last one that like
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: didn't have that growing up, but we saw it all
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: come about, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that's going to affect him for
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: better or worse. And I don't know how fast the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: technology is gonna keep progressing.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: So but my point being is that going back to
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: our fathers.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: You know, my dad from Monroe, Louisiana grew up in
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: probably one of the most racist setback places back then
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: when he grew up to where you get your ass
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: beat if you're on the wrong side of the train tracks.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: And he grew up in an abusive household, and he
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: had a stuttering problem, and I really think that that
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: was tied to that, and he ended up working through
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: speech therapy and getting rid of his stutter, which I
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: really admire him for.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: I think he's a lot of people can't do that.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: But I think that the trauma that he has had
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: in his life has been something that I've had to
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: heal in my life.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: These things get passed down just.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Like how oh, like the way I wink, you know
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: my kid or you know my son, my daughter wink
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: like that, or like oh he's his smile or you know,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: all these traits that we pass on.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: Oh I have a mark like that or all these things.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Right, it's like you pass on the trauma too, you
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: pass on the work you haven't done. Absolutely, so I
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: think that that's like the fact that we are being
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: more conscious of that. That's the importance to working on you.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: So that's something I do talk about in my book too,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: But that's the importance not just and for the people
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: who have kids. It's like, oh, I don't have to
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: work on myself. No, it's like when you see how
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: interconnected the whole planet is, how we all connected, even
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: when you on the freeway, Like when we leave here
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: and we go on the freeway, we see we're gonna
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: see like everyone working and like being in synchronization. And
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: that's one of the most basic levels of realizing that
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: we're all really connected and aligned in a sense. So
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: when you do work on yourself, it's a chain reaction
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: that spreads way more than you could. You know, to
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: me at least that you could imagine, and that's that's
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: what I believe.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Real how has the work and finally recognizing your own
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: value influenced the way you currently navigate your career versus
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: how you did in the past.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: It kind of just is a constant checking with myself
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: and I kind of just have to like reaffirm and
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: like have to like say what I'm comfortable with when
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable with what I want to do, what
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do, and really just be clear
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: about the artists you want to be or what you
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: want to put out there.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: And I don't know if that means, like.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: I know that I'm the most successful I've ever been,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: and when I say successful, it's like the most happy
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: I've ever been when it comes to like being an artist,
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: and that's what success is.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: That's what success is.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Happiness.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do be stressed out, like I said,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: when we start O, I do be feeling overwhelmed because
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: I do try and do all I can, but you know,
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: that is what it is. But I do feel like,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the career I do put in perspective my
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: career and like what I'm comfortable is and what I'm
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: not as opposed to like just doing everything.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Like I used to my last question for people that's
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: watching listening, how do you know when you've gotten to
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: a point of clarity?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: How do you know you got into a point of clarity?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: Is man, that's a great feeling. It's a feeling of
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: inspiration and it's a feeling of.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know. To me, I feel like I feel unstoppable.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like anything that's all my heart is possible,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: and I don't always feel like that.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: Clarity isn't something that that is a constant thing.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: It's something that that's why when I made those grabs
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: for the album Better Me than You, it's like it's
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: a constant journey that goes from pressure to clarity, to
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: focus to happiness, because you know, you get the pressure
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, pressure, focused, clarity, happiness. You get the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: pressure and you get that pressure ring then you focus
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: and then you're able to find some clarity and that
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  Speaker 2: is and then you find that happiness, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So to me, when I'm in the state of clarity.
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  Speaker 2: I feel all as possible, I feel all is welcomed,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel that it's like an endless it's like
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  Speaker 2: a it's like an endless possibility is a field of infinite.
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  Speaker 3: Opportunities, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's an exciting feeling when I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 2: the fact you asking that has kind of like giving
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: me that feeling. Now I've been like I locked onto
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: that vibrationally just now it's like an awesome feeling.
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  Speaker 3: So I appreciate you asking that question.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. My brother better me than you,
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  Speaker 1: so out what August.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just pushed the motherfucker dus its to be
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  Speaker 2: August night, but I'm gonna do it later on in August.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the The only reason I pushed it back
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: is cause I'm like DJ Premiere hit me like, yo,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: these scratches on this song aren't loud enough and you know,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: stuff like that to where I'm like, look, just get
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: the ship right all the way. You know, I'm not
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: about to be trying to replace stuff when it's out
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: and stuff just even if it's just a couple of weeks, like,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: just get it all the way locked in mixes right,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: masters right, mixed by Ali, Me and Ali going back
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  Speaker 2: and forth on some mixes, not all the way the
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: masters now, so you know it's probably gonna be a
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks after, but.
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  Speaker 1: It's all good. My brother, Thank you, great conversation, appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your yeah.