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- 0:11Helping to secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
- 0:15This is the Constitution Study on the America Out Loud Network with your host, Paul Engel.
- 0:30Many grievances are dealt today in courts.
- 0:34So today I want to take a look at a few recent examples.
- 0:37Hello there, everyday Americans, Paul Engle here with the Constitution Study, where we read instead of the Constitution.
- 0:43Teacherizing Generation Me Free.
- 0:44I'm glad you could join me today.
- 0:46You know, it's funny.
- 0:47A lot of people talk about the First Amendment, and of course, protected as a Congress cannot make a law that uh prevents you from seek from petitioning the government for a redress of grievance.
- 0:58The way most people do that is by lawsuit.
- 1:01They are asking the government to resolve a grievance, and that and governance happens to be a court.
- 1:08So again, a nation where there are more lawyers than doctors.
- 1:13Well, so I've picked a few uh examples of some recent cases that I want to take a little bit of time and look at today.
- 1:22We're going to start in California, where a Sacramento County judge has decided that the Sacramento Municipal Utility District violated state privacy laws by sharing detailed smart meter information with law enforcement.
- 1:39You see, the court found that uh the utility district's cooperation with police were in a foul of the California Public Utility Code Section 8381, a statute designed to protect the confidentiality of consumers' electrical consumption data.
- 1:54What do you know?
- 1:55A California law, I think I could get behind.
- 2:08Instead, the district is apparently given police wide access to their database, allowing officers to comb through granular records that reveal hour by hour patterns of home energy use.
- 2:21According to court filings, uh Sacramento police routinely asked the utility district to identify quote unquote high usage homes that might indicate, well, indoor cannabis uh cultivation.
- 2:34Now, the utility district complied going through roughly 650,000 customer records and forwarding over 33,000 names to police for further investigation.
- 2:47The court determined that these repeated wide-range searches could not be justified as legitimate investigations.
- 2:55Exactly what they were are fishing expeditions.
- 2:58Reading from the court's opinion, the process of making regular requests for all customer information in numerous city zip codes in the hopes of identifying evidence that could possibly be evidence of illegal activity without any report or other evidence to suggest that the crime may have occurred, is not an ongoing investigation.
- 3:20Exactly.
- 3:20In fact, you know what it is?
- 3:22It's an unreasonable search.
- 3:24It's a search of people's records without a reason for it, other than fishing, looking for something.
- 3:32Find me the person, and I'll find you the crime.
- 3:35The people who sued, they're there under their filings.
- 3:38They claim that the program not only criminalized innocent people, but also led to hostile encounters with law enforcement and a disproportionate targeting of Sacramento's Asian community.
- 3:50Not sure why it was the Asian community.
- 3:53But it's funny, all the time when people are talking about smart meters and and how helpful they'll be and how useful they'll be.
- 3:59Oh no, nothing that ever bad could happen with these.
- 4:02Well, these didn't require smart meters, but smart meters were certainly part of the tool because unlike uh um you know, a routine meter reader, smart meters track your energy usage hour by hour, in fact, minute by minute.
- 4:17But what's interesting is although the court found this uh this to be a violation of the state privacy laws, they declined to recognize that it was an unconstitutional search under the California Constitution, Article 1, Section 13.
- 4:33By the way, that'd be the same thing under the United States Constitution.
- 4:37Uh uh Fourth Amendment.
- 4:40Now, the court reasoned that, well, sharing a customer's monthly energy uses did not amount to an unlawful search.
- 4:47Well, it's a question of an unreasonable search.
- 4:51And what was the reason behind the search?
- 4:55Oh, we're fishing for evidence.
- 4:57Do you have any sort of probable cause for a warrant?
- 5:00Any reasonable article of suspicion?
- 5:02Not yet.
- 5:02We need you to scalm this data first.
- 5:05Now, our attorneys for the petitioners disagreed.
- 5:07They argued that the program depended not on the monthly totals, but on continuous access to high-resolution data mapping the activity inside of people's homes.
- 5:20And since we're talking about litigation, I've got one I'm sure is gonna piss a lot of people off.
- 5:24So hang on to your hats.
- 5:26How many of you remember uh Derek Chauvelin, right?
- 5:29The guy that was um convicted of uh what is that?
- 5:34Was it police abuse or harassment?
- 5:37Because it was claimed that he murdered um George Floyd by the way he held him while taking him into custody.
- 5:46Well petition that's been sent to the henpin County District uh court.
- 5:53Um petition apparently includes more than 50 signatures from former or current uh Memphis police department officers who made sworn declarations that the technique chauvin used to restrain George Floyd's Floyd was part of the official training they received.
- 6:11Now, here's the important thing to understand when you're dealing with George Floyd.
- 6:15There are two sets of videos.
- 6:17One video, which is the one that was all over the news and all that.
- 6:22You're looking under the bumper of the car or beside the bump of the car.
- 6:25You see uh George Floyd head on, the officers behind him, and it looks like he has his knee.
- 6:32Obviously, he is on is on George Floyd.
- 6:35There were claims that it was on his neck and that he's he effectively strangled him.
- 6:39However, if you look at the cameras from the other side, the body cams of the officers, you see the Mr.
- 6:46Uh Chauvin's knee was actually on Mr.
- 6:50Floyd's shoulder.
- 6:51He was not impairing his breathing.
- 6:54It is a technique that apparently is taught in many law enforcement academies.
- 6:59And that brings up an interesting question, because uh uh uh attorney Greg Joseph said the case never made sense.
- 7:08Um that that uh uh the the evidence was so thin, he was surprised that prosecutors achieved a conviction.
- 7:17Um which again, many people, including myself claim was pure theater.
- 7:24Now, remember, this was uh uh George Floyd death was big news, and everybody was pointing fingers and everybody was blaming Mr.
- 7:33Chauvin.
- 7:34And in fact, during the trial, uh Minneapolis police department denied that the restraint technique Chauvin used was taught uh by their training arm, their police academy.
- 7:49Interesting is um this that point really should be moot because again, there's not evidence that the restraint caused George Floyd's death.
- 8:00Because there is evidence, police body cam that shows that Mr.
- 8:07His knee on Mr.
- 8:09Floyd's shoulder, not on his neck.
- 8:14So now uh chauvin's trying to uh uh get his conviction vacated and a new trial that uh Mr.
- 8:24Must deny he was deprived his right to due process uh under both the 14th Amendment and the U.S.
- 8:30Constitution and Article 1 of the Minnesota Constitution.
- 8:34Furthermore, uh Dr.
- 8:36Andrew Baker, who was the only doctor that actually performed an autopsy on Mr.
- 8:41Floyd's body, um, did uh put the blame, his report did the blame, put the blame on the subduing of Mr.
- 8:48Floyd as his ultimate cause of death, even though his own autopsy report showed no life-threatening injuries were identified in in the autopsy.
- 9:00Not only that, they found uh uh both uh fentanyl and norfentanil in the bloodstream in the toxicology report.
- 9:11Um quite sure how that leads him to believe that uh it was the it was the restraint that led to the death.
- 9:19Now, again, remember the George Floyd was tried much more in the court of public opinion than it really apparently was in the court of law.
- 9:29Um, especially since there was whether I don't know if they were denied the opportunity to have uh uh Mr.
- 9:35Floyd's body examined by uh a doctor to have um to have the autopsy um possibly rebutted, to look at this other video.
- 9:50Um, with all the riots that were created by the George Floyd by the hype of the narrative that it was the police that killed.
- 10:00Mr.
- 10:00Floyd, uh, that I would imagine there are people that were trying to rush to an answer to get all the mayhem to stop.
- 10:08Now, I'm really kind of curious how this uh this this petition is handled because of all of the the riotous activity.
- 10:19I mean, you remember was it the the the they call it the summer love?
- 10:24All the George Floyd riots are people actually going to look at the at the justice, you know.
- 10:31If what Mr.
- 10:32Chauvin did was not criminal, why was he found guilty?
- 10:35What were where's justice in that?
- 10:38Um but on the other hand, how much injustice was done by people who are destroying property and and and harassing people and in some cases assaulting people because of what they thought had happened.
- 10:52This is a situation where I would hope that a court of law would follow the law, and then law enforcement would stand up and protect the people if um let's just say some group gets out of hand because they think it's injustice.
- 11:12I mean, I can see it now.
- 11:13People on the street shouting, no justice, no peach, which I find really ironic since what we're talking about is justice for everyone.
- 11:22I mean, if if George Floyd died because of a uh because of the drugs he had in his system rather than the uh um uh the uh uh quote unquote hold the restraint that Mr.
- 11:37Chauvin used.
- 11:38Uh, where's the justice in that?
- 11:41So uh again, these are a couple of this is a case I'm gonna find interesting.
- 11:45I'm also interested in the uh this the Sacramento case because I can't see how you can say people are uh uh you're violating people's privacy without agreeing that well, isn't that by definition an unreasonable search, therefore violating the constitutions of both California and the United States?
- 12:07These are some of the litigations that are being looked at.
- 12:10Now I've got a few more that I'm gonna take a look at, but uh I I want to stop and for a second and ask yourself are we dealing with courts of law or courts of public opinion?
- 12:22To me, that's really the import.
- 12:24The court really should be setting aside public opinion and looking at the actual law and the actual evidence and making decisions based on that.
- 12:33Now I know we're dealing with humans, judges are human, jurors are human, and we we try very hard to have that have a minimal impact on their decisions.
- 12:45But again, we're not perfect.
- 12:46We we we make mistakes.
- 12:49And um, I'm really rather rather curious is will the court seek a redress of a grievance, or will they pursue a political agenda?
- 13:01We'll have to wait and find out.
- 13:04But is anybody else struck by the fact that uh, you know, it's almost as if the laws are secondary to the decision of a court.
- 13:13The rule of law is secondary decision of court.
- 13:16It seems so much it's secondary to the decision of a court, which means well, we're not really a republic anymore.
- 13:22See, a republic means that we the people hire representation in the form it by elections, and they make the laws.
- 13:31But it appears more and more that well, the judges get to decide what the laws are.
- 13:37In the case of um uh of the Sacramento, I think the judge seemed to be following the law, at least partially, although I'm not sure why they went, it wouldn't go as far as pointing out the uh unreasonable search, which um basically wouldn't validate every case based on such unreasonable searches.
- 13:58And I I we haven't seen anything go to court yet again about the uh the petition for retrial for Derek Chauvin.
- 14:05That again, I'm curious, because I I have an assumption of the way things I expect things to go, but we won't know until it happens.
- 14:15I don't want to read too much into it.
- 14:18I've got some other examples, some other cases I want to look at, but before I do that, I have to take a break.
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- 20:00About our litigation today, society, you know, it's like think about you know, it's like how many today shows they have.
- 20:06Well, we've got today, it's litigation today.
- 20:09I'm picking up today with a couple of uh Supreme Court cases that uh I think are important and I think are are really worth our time.
- 20:19Uh the first one I want to look at is another question about Donald Trump's ability to well manage personnel in the executive department.
- 20:29Now, it's been spun a lot of different ways, you know.
- 20:32They said, you know, I've seen a lot of headlines that you know, Supreme Court prevents Donald Trump from firing the director of the U.S.
- 20:39copyright office.
- 20:40Well, that's not exactly what they said.
- 20:43The court has decided they're not going to decide this case until they've decided on a couple of other cases involving the firing of two members of agencies.
- 20:54But here's the interesting point.
- 20:56Um, to me at least, it's this idea of can Trump fire members of quote unquote independent agencies.
- 21:03There is no such thing in the under the Constitution as an independent agency, right?
- 21:10The president, all executive power is vested in the present.
- 21:15Uh, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 1.
- 21:18All the power is vested in the president.
- 21:23Therefore, every agency that is executing the laws of the United States works for the president.
- 21:29You cannot create an entity that exercises the executive power outside of the present United States.
- 21:36Now, they've claimed these are independent agents, they're even called independent agencies, but as I've written about before, they're not really independent agencies because you can't create that.
- 21:45The Constitution supersedes what Congress does.
- 21:49The fact that Congress calls these agencies independent doesn't mean a hella beans, because the Constitution supersedes the laws of the United States made that are not pursuant of the Constitution.
- 22:02Congress cannot create a law that violates the Constitution and have it supersede the Constitution.
- 22:07It doesn't work that way.
- 22:09So I these cases I again I find interesting.
- 22:12Um currently, uh, you know, the I guess her name is Shira uh Pearl Mutter is going to remain the register of copyrights um until the court kind of figures this stuff out.
- 22:26Uh, that's because Ms.
- 22:28Pullmutter sued, claiming that her firing violated federal law, um specifically 17 USC 1701A, where Congress vested the librarian of Congress with the power to remove the register of copyrights and not the president.
- 22:47But again, the librarian of Congress as part of the executive branch works for the president.
- 22:53So this will be an interesting uh case when the court finally gets around to deciding it.
- 23:00But uh again, this is going to be the third case.
- 23:04There are already two cases pending uh involving uh firing of a member of the Federal Trade Commission and of the Federal Reserve Board.
- 23:16Now, the court is due to hear the first case, the the one involving the Federal Trade Commission member Rebecca Slaughter on December 8th.
- 23:24Uh, and then the case involving the Federal Reserve member on January 21st of next year.
- 23:30So we still have some time to wait.
- 23:33But um again, to me, these are interesting constitutional issues because you have the basic question do we have an executive branch run by a president?
- 23:44Are the powers of the executive the executive powers vested in the president?
- 23:49Or can Congress create an entity outside of the president, meaning outside of direct oversight of the executive branch, being part of the executive branch, but not overseen by the executive branch.
- 24:01That to me is going to be pretty interesting.
- 24:03Um, and I'm kind of waiting, I'm curious to see how the court handles it.
- 24:06Obviously, when they they hear these cases, I'll probably review them and write an article about them.
- 24:12My guess is we probably won't get decisions in these cases until probably uh June, maybe May or June of 2026.
- 24:24These that's when you know the court tends to release its most impactful or controversial uh decisions.
- 24:32They wait to the end of their terms so they can they can release them and get out of dodge.
- 24:38Now, there's another court case that I'm in fact I've got it on my docket to actually um deal with, and that is the case involving um President Trump's tariffs.
- 24:49Now, I want to start with a couple of interesting points, at least from from my point of view, uh, and that is understand what is a tariff.
- 24:57We use this term a lot, and I hear a lot of people describe it, and it's it's kind of wishy-washy.
- 25:05This is become important in a second, because a tariff, according to the free legal dictionary, is a a list of items upon which a duty is imposed when they are imported into the United States, together with the rates at which such articles are taxed.
- 25:22Notice I said taxed, right?
- 25:24That's that's the it's the duties that are imposed, and they are it is a tax.
- 25:29Why is this important?
- 25:31Because Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution says the Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises.
- 25:41So Congress has the power to lay and collect both the duties that are part of a tariff and the taxes.
- 25:48So a tariff is not simply a tax, as a lot of people put it, it is what is to be what duties are to be imposed and what what rate are they to be taxed?
- 25:58Right?
- 25:58It's it's a subtle thing, but this may become important because, well, you know, courts sometimes deal with with subtle things.
- 26:06So if Congress has the authority to lay these duties, that would be part of the tariff, where does the president get the authority to implement these tariffs?
- 26:17Well, Congress passed a law called the International Emergency Economic Powers Act or AIPA, and uh this included giving power to the president to take certain economic actions, and that's really where the the question is the difference between uh you know does this include the ability to create a it does does the ability to regulate the the these economic activities include the power to apply duties to them to tax them?
- 26:50Now, Justice Kavanaugh during our arguments had an interesting question.
- 26:54He wanted to would the law allow the president to shut down all trade with every other country in the world, or to impose some significant quota on imports for every other country in the world, but would not allow a 1% tariff.
- 27:09And it gets down to what does a word regulate mean.
- 27:14Now, another interesting discussion came out, and that was the question is does Congress have the constitutional authority to delegate its taxing authority?
- 27:25You see, the the Supreme Court has created what they call the non-delegation doctrine.
- 27:30No, I said the Supreme Court created, I believe with constitutionally sound authority, you know, there's constitutionally sound that that this non-delegation doctrine, which prohibits Congress from delegating its legislative powers to other entities.
- 27:45But this doctrine, again, doctrine created by the Supreme Court, does create uh does have some caveats, some uh provisos.
- 27:56But again, does that what the constitution says?
- 28:00And one other interesting point came up.
- 28:02This was brought up, I believe, by Justice Barrett.
- 28:05Um, she says, okay, if we invalidate these tariffs, how do we reimburse it?
- 28:11How do you take the money that was already been collected?
- 28:14And she says it could be a mess.
- 28:17Uh, from what I understand, so far the administration's collected nearly 90 billion dollars from these tariffs in 2025.
- 28:26And um, okay, it'd be a mess, but to me, that should not be part of the legal question.
- 28:35So I've made this point before.
- 28:37The purpose of government is not to the purpose of the courts is not to make government's life easier.
- 28:42What do we read from the Declaration of Independence?
- 28:45That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men deriving their just power to the consent of the governed.
- 28:52See, the purpose of government is not to make government's life easier, and the courts are part of government.
- 29:00So simply because it would make government's life more difficult is not a valid argument to invalidate a rule or law or to change a decision, right?
- 29:11Because that's not the purpose of government, to make their lives easier.
- 29:14And it yet too often I see this as part of uh when I'm reviewing oral arguments.
- 29:21Well, you know, if we did this, we'd make we'd give ourselves a lot more work.
- 29:25We'd give our, you know, we'd put other courts in a lot more work, or we'd cause the police to have a lot more work.
- 29:31That's not a legal standing.
- 29:35If the federal government in the guise of the president has screwed up and illegally collected taxes, they were not allowed to, how much work it takes to resolve that is not the legal question.
- 29:47If it was wrong, it needs to be refunded.
- 29:50If it's going to be hard, well, that's kind of the consequences of making bad decisions.
- 29:56Sometimes it makes things hard.
- 29:59But the
- 30:00These cases, right?
- 30:01The uh register of copyrights and the other cases that are be that are being, you know, the FTC and the and the Federal Reserve and this case about tariffs really come down to the power of the president.
- 30:15Now, the president was never supposed to be a king, even though in today's day and age, we treat the office as if it's an elected king.
- 30:25The president can do anything he wants.
- 30:27He just has to sign an executive order or or other craziness like that.
- 30:32Um, you know, uh and and I look at this saying, all right, from the question of employment.
- 30:39If all the constitution says all executive power is vested in a president of the United States, well, that means that all powers vested in a present United States.
- 30:50Now, this is interesting because it means Congress cannot create an executive agency that is cannot create an agency that is outside the pre the power of the present United States.
- 31:01They cannot.
- 31:16Now, as I've said many, many, many, many times before, that doesn't mean the court's going to decide this correctly.
- 31:22Why?
- 31:22Because we're dealing with human beings.
- 31:24Human beings that went to law school where most likely they didn't actually study the language of the Constitution, they studied the opinions of other judges.
- 31:34That's why these doctrines become so important, because it you know the courts don't follow the constitution.
- 31:43They more likely to follow what a previous judge has said about the constitution.
- 31:49It's this uh um starry decisis that the decision stands, even though it may be found unconstitutional, you should leave it unless you know you should leave it, even though it apparently is wrong.
- 32:02Uh that's how we ended up with 50 years of Roe v.
- 32:04Wade.
- 32:05It's how we ended up with uh, I forget how many years of um uh of Dred Scott.
- 32:11It's this idea that we are placing the opinion of judges above the supreme law of the land.
- 32:17And to me, that's no different than turning the president into a king.
- 32:22It's the same scenario.
- 32:23You're placing people above the supreme law of the land.
- 32:27I believe that's why John Jay said that every member of the state ought diligently to read and study the constitution of his country, teacherizing generation be free.
- 32:36Because when you allow a limited number of people to quote unquote control the interpretation of the document, you've taken power out of the hands of we the people and placed it into a small oligarchy of people who are allowed to question and challenge.
- 32:54And uh as we've seen, you know, we now have uh uh more cases, even the very question of a presence's ability to regulate the uh uh the the executive branch that are now being litigated not by the constitution, but by the courts, and where we have quote unquote in inferior courts, they call them lower courts a day.
- 33:20The proper term is inferior courts.
- 33:22You have inferior courts that seem less interested in following the constitution and more interested in promoting a political agenda.
- 33:32And then later courts either overrule them or go along with them.
- 33:38But the interesting thing is rarely, and I I mean rarely, in a decision from the Supreme Court, do I see them actually quote the actual language of the Constitution?
- 33:50I love it when they do, but it's far too rare for what's to be the last court of appeals in this nation to not spend more time quoting and supporting and following the Supreme Law of the land.
- 34:06Now, I have a couple more cases I want to look at, but uh before that, I have to take a break.
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- 39:25And uh we've been talking about our litigation society today, and and uh we've looked at a couple things.
- 39:31I want to take a look at a couple of cases.
- 39:32The first one actually involves appointments.
- 39:37It's specifically um Alina Hababah, who's the um was the interim U.S.
- 39:46attorney for the state of New Jersey.
- 39:49And a recent court uh decision by the Court of Appeals says she's not she's been disqualified.
- 39:57And it sounds it is technical.
- 40:00So let me see if I can flesh this out.
- 40:02Because I did look at the at the decision and the law and see if I can understand this.
- 40:07So most of us know that many of the offices in the United States require not just an appointment by the president, but be done with the advice and consent of the Senate.
- 40:20One of those offices are U.S.
- 40:22attorneys.
- 40:23So become a U.S.
- 40:24attorney, you're nominated by the president.
- 40:26You get to confirm by the Senate, and then you're appointed by the president to be U.S.
- 40:31attorney.
- 40:32Now, what happens when someone resigns?
- 40:37Right?
- 40:38Because that's the situation we have.
- 40:39On January 8th of 2025, the U.S.
- 40:44attorney for the district of New Jersey, a Philip Selinger resigned.
- 40:49At which point uh the first assistant, according to federal law, the assistant can fill the position.
- 40:55The president can also choose someone to fill the position.
- 40:58But uh the first assistant um assumed the duties of the office under federal law.
- 41:05Uh he became the acting U.S.
- 41:07uh.
- 41:07attorney for New Jersey.
- 41:09Now on March 3rd, now we're into the Trump administration, January 8th.
- 41:13That's the Biden administration.
- 41:15March 3rd, we're now in the Trump administration.
- 41:18And uh Attorney General Bondi appointed uh John Giordino as interim U.S.
- 41:25attorney for New Jersey.
- 41:26Uh, but he resigned three weeks later.
- 41:30So then she appointed uh Alina Haba as the interim U.S.
- 41:34attorney under the law, all right.
- 41:37Uh was it I think it's five USC 546 was was the actual law.
- 41:42Here's the problem.
- 41:44There, these interim appointments have a time limit of 120 days.
- 41:51Now, as that deadline approached, the district court for the district of New Jersey issued quote unquote a standing order uh under uh you know 546 D, providing that Desiree Grace, the first assistant U.S.
- 42:07attorney at the time would be the interim U.S.
- 42:09attorney effective upon the expiration of HABA's 120-day term on as as interim.
- 42:17Now, to me, I have a couple of problems with this.
- 42:19First of all, the law they're referring to, 28 uh title 28, section 546 says that uh if an appointment expires under subsection C2, the the one we're talking about, the district court for such district may appoint a United States attorney to serve until the vacancy is filled.
- 42:38The problem is the court ordered this, issued this standing order before the the appointment expired.
- 42:48Therefore, they couldn't legally enact subsection D, right?
- 42:52A little technical detail, but they kind of they jumped the gun.
- 42:55They would have to have waited until HABA's term expired, then they could have said, okay, we're gonna appoint a temporary uh one to fill in.
- 43:04But again, I kind of have a problem with that as well, because you're basically saying the court in a situation like this has the authority to um to create uh to appoint a person to a temporary office that's controlled by the president of the United States.
- 43:22This seems to be a bit of a usurpation of power.
- 43:24Now, I can understand the situation.
- 43:27Let's say you have a a U.S.
- 43:29attorney, uh imagine that HABA's term expired and there's no U.S.
- 43:35attorney, and the court has it has a what are you gonna do?
- 43:40Who's going to decide?
- 43:41Well, that's up to the president to me still.
- 43:44Um, I mean, I can kind of see a scenario where, well, if there's no U.S.
- 43:48attorney, then we can appoint one, but there's already a law that says, wait a second, if someone's uh uh I I guess if the term expires, it should still be up to the president, the executive branch to nominate a or to to appoint an interim.
- 44:06Uh and I don't see how giving that power to the courts is legitimate, it's constitutional.
- 44:13And and that to me is is um I'm looking at this going something.
- 44:20I understand the appeals court.
- 44:22The appeal court, by the way, is five it does appear to be be following the letter of the law.
- 44:29If if uh HABA was appointed as interim back in March, March 28th.
- 44:34By the way, on June 30th, um President Trump nominated her for the permanent role, but the Senate has never acted on it.
- 44:43So here you have a scenario where you have the president appointing somebody, the Senate's not going to bother.
- 44:51The interim's going to expire.
- 44:53Uh, again, I guess it's politics as usual in Washington, D.C.
- 44:57today.
- 44:58But it does create this unique situation where the interim U.S.
- 45:03attorney's term expires.
- 45:06Um, and even though that person's been nominated to take the role permanently, the Senate has no of it, you've kind of got a mess.
- 45:13So what they what what the Trump administration did, well, to me, um little bit of of a shell game, a slot of hand.
- 45:22The president withdrew HABA's nomination for U.S.
- 45:25attorney.
- 45:25She resigned as interim and U.S.
- 45:28attorney.
- 45:29The attorney general then um issued an order appointing HABA as the special attorney to the attorney general with a letter authorizing HABA to conduct any kind of legal proceedings, which United States attorneys are authorized to conduct.
- 45:44So basically, she said, you don't have to be a U.S.
- 45:47attorney.
- 45:47We're going to create a special attorney that does what a U.S.
- 45:50attorney does.
- 45:53Anyone else lost in this morass yet?
- 45:56Well, to add to that, uh A.G.
- 45:59Bondy designated Ms.
- 46:00Haba as the first assistant U.S.
- 46:03attorney, which means under the law, she would be acting as interim U.S.
- 46:07attorney since there's now no longer a U.S.
- 46:10attorney in in office.
- 46:14Again, it's it's it is a tangled web we weave when first you practice to deceive.
- 46:19Now to boil this down, the court said, listen, HABA is not the acting U.S.
- 46:24attorney for the digital New Jersey by virtue of her appointment as first assistant U.S.
- 46:30attorney, because only the first assistant in place at the time of the vacancy automatically arise, uh automatically assumes the functions and duties of the uh uh uh U.S.
- 46:42attorney for the district.
- 46:44But here's the twist.
- 46:45See, I'm looking at it, uh is it uh uh title five section 3345, which talks about acting officer that says, you know, if an executive agency officer um resigns or whatever, it says the first assistant to the office of such officer shall perform the functions and duties of the office temporarily in an acting capacity, subject to the time limitations of section 3346.
- 47:09It says nothing about the first assistant at the time of, because what if there's no first assistant at the time of?
- 47:18So I'm one, I'm looking at this, and uh yeah, it is beginning to make a head hurt.
- 47:24Um, I think the uh I think that the the court's reasoning I think it's flawed, because they've basically written in that says um that it has to be the the first assistants at the time of the vacancy.
- 47:44That's not in the text of the of the federal law.
- 47:48Um I'm not sure how this is almost certainly going to go to the Supreme Court.
- 47:55Um I have uh I'm not quite sure how they're going to do this.
- 47:59I guess I'll wait and listen to oral arguments and see what that you know, see what that shows me.
- 48:05But again, it shows the litigious nature of this of the nation.
- 48:11It shows that uh the Senate apparently is not keeping up with its base job, one of its base jobs being um you know uh approving nominations, whether or not, you know, or at least advising and consenting consenting on nominations.
- 48:28Um I would think a U.S.
- 48:30attorney's office would rank high enough to get a little bit of of Senate attention, but I'm not really sure how the courts are going to decide because again, it appears the circuit court added language to the law that doesn't really exist.
- 48:44And that to me, that to me is a problem.
- 48:48So it's twisted, but when people talk about uh uh uh Alina Haba and whether or not she's qualified for U.S.
- 48:56attorney in New Jersey, I think I want you to think back to it's a complicated issue, and the real question is for my standpoint is do the courts get to make up the law?
- 49:08Because that's apparently what happened in the I think it was a third circuit that that heard this, uh at least a panel of the third circuit that heard this case.
- 49:18Now, I have one more, and and I want to spend a little time on this one for a bit of a different reason, because it it goes back to um the Americans with Disabilities Act, which in most cases I believe is unconstitutional, but here we're dealing with federal offices.
- 49:38So a judge decided that the White House must provide American sign language interpretation during their press briefings um held by the president and his uh his press secretary uh Caroline Carolyn Levitt.
- 49:54Now, let me start.
- 49:55I said in most cases the American Disabilities Act's unconstitutional, because again,
- 50:00Where's the federal government given authority to dictate how businesses make themselves accessible, even if they have to make themselves accessible to people with disabilities.
- 50:09Now understand, my wife is in a wheelchair.
- 50:11We deal with this fairly regularly.
- 50:13And there are a lot of things that make a lot of sense.
- 50:16Then again, a lot of the rules sound good, but don't work in the real world.
- 50:20But let's get back here.
- 50:21We're talking about the president and again, Congress has the authority to make laws for all laws for New York for Washington, DC, because it's a federal district.
- 50:34And this, so I do not think this would violate the constitution.
- 50:38But again, it it's to me it's interesting.
- 50:41See, um, it's the idea that uh even if you're deaf, um, you should be able to follow real time um the presidential briefing.
- 50:56Now they base this on title of the 29 section 794a, which says no otherwise qualified individual with a disability in the United States, as defined in section 70520 of this title shall solely by reason of his or her disability be excluded from the participation in and denied the benefits of or be subject to discrimination under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance or under any program or activity excluded uh conducted by an executive agency or by the United States Postal Service.
- 51:30Now, again, I have a problem with hey, if you receive federal money, you gotta follow this.
- 51:34There's an issue there, but that deals with bribery.
- 51:36But here's the question.
- 51:37Okay, so the United States uh let me start out here.
- 51:41I agree that the deaf should be able to follow a press briefing.
- 51:46Uh, if it's a federal government, if it's a government briefing, I agree.
- 51:50The you just because you're deaf shouldn't mean you can't participate.
- 51:54What I find interesting in my point of view is how the court decided to solve this particular dilemma.
- 52:02In other words, they didn't simply decide that yes, the White House press briefings must include uh uh uh uh uh something for the deaf so that the deaf can participate real time.
- 52:16They went a step farther.
- 52:19Uh the they they issued a uh an i guess it's a temporary injunction or whatever, where they say that the executive office of the president, white house, white house chief of staff, and white house press secretary shall immediately begin providing a simultaneous and publicly accessible feed with visible American Sign Language interpretation by a qualified interpreter for all publicly announced White House press briefings conducted by the president or White House press secretary that are captured by the White House communication channels.
- 52:49Basically, they said, listen, you have to have uh an ASL interpretation feed.
- 52:56Why choose American Sign Language?
- 53:00Why not uh uh subtext subtitles?
- 53:05Um that that to me is the curious part.
- 53:07It'd be one thing that said, listen, you have to provide provision where deaf people can follow this, and the problem to me is the court decided how to do that.
- 53:20All right.
- 53:20Again, I don't have a scenario, I don't have a problem with saying, listen, yes, the deaf people should be able to follow the press briefings.
- 53:27I really don't have a problem with that.
- 53:28It's a federal government.
- 53:30It's you know, we the people uh are the sovereign of this country, we should be able to know what's going on.
- 53:36I just find it interesting the court decide to pick out how to do this.
- 53:40What if someone doesn't speak American Sign Language?
- 53:43What if somebody learns sign language overseas and they know a different version of sign language?
- 53:48What if they, you know, I'm I just maybe it's by inherent and inherent distrust of courts that leads me to say maybe there's a better solution.
- 53:58Um I don't disagree that deaf people should have access.
- 54:03I just question the court's authority to determine how that is provided.
- 54:10Um that's my opinion.
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