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Ep. 887: The Lizards Went Down to Georgia, Securing Hunting Rights in Colorado, and Big Ol' Lake Trout · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the News show, ladies and gentlemen. This week,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the State of Georgia playing hardball with some
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  Speaker 1: big ass lizards that they don't want run a wild.
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  Speaker 1: The Interior Department opens up a metric shit ton of
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  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing opportunities around the country, But what exactly
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  Speaker 1: is an opportunity. Colorado outdoorsman might have a chance to
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  Speaker 1: take the offensive against anti hunting efforts in the Johnny
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  Speaker 1: Denver State. A Minnesota guide keeps beating his own lake
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  Speaker 1: trout records, and what's up with that? But first I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you it's versus Bill Tong. You ever made Billtong?
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  Speaker 2: Have not made jerky? I'm assuming it's close.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a cousin. It's a second cousin.
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  Speaker 2: The making of is different.
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  Speaker 1: How well you take You don't slice it. You know
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  Speaker 1: what you make a jerky slice jerky, Billtong. You get
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  Speaker 1: a chunk, hear it, hang up the chunk, wait till
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of dry, and then slice it and it's
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  Speaker 1: gooey in the middle. Here this is a sample piece
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  Speaker 1: that I'm making, So I'm just trying to figure it
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  Speaker 1: out because I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Just hanging in my soft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm just hanging this in my garage by
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  Speaker 1: trappers wire. I got him hanging all over damn place.
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  Speaker 1: You're past one of those downokrin.
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  Speaker 3: There, Thank you, b I L L T O n G.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody.
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  Speaker 1: This is my sample batch.
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  Speaker 2: That's a much different eating experience than jerky.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually I'm gonna be doing whole backstrap all the biltong
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  Speaker 1: dudes tell you like, no sinew, no this, no that,
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  Speaker 1: but whatever.
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  Speaker 5: That's really good.
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  Speaker 6: It tastes like you're just eating leftover steak from the
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  Speaker 6: night before.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, A whole strap from a smaller animal like a
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  Speaker 7: pantlope or a white tailed dough.
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  Speaker 1: I cured at my fridge forty eight hours. It's vinegar.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically like salt, vinegar, stuff like that, some stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's good to you add the working ingredients, vinegar, salt,
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  Speaker 1: it's not overly salt, and then you add stuff that's
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  Speaker 1: good to eat in there.
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  Speaker 8: Two days.
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  Speaker 1: Then you take some wire or whatever you got, hooks,
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  Speaker 1: paper clips, whatever, and just hang them around your garage.
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  Speaker 3: You can really appreciate the meat because there's there's tenderness
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  Speaker 3: in there, and.
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  Speaker 2: You feel like it's the same.
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  Speaker 7: You're getting a similar product to like it being hung
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  Speaker 7: like out in the sun and the wind.
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  Speaker 1: Mine's not in the sun.
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  Speaker 7: I know, but isn't that How they do it in
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  Speaker 7: Africa was dry?
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  Speaker 1: And I did it this time of year because I
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  Speaker 1: know what, because this time of year is what I
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  Speaker 1: pictured be in the time of year for that no sun,
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  Speaker 1: no sun in Africa they do the sun when I
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  Speaker 1: saw it done. But people also use ooh my bags,
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  Speaker 1: which I didn't do. This is hanging in my garage.
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  Speaker 1: You'd walk in there and think something weird was going on.
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  Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't I have been in your garage.
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  Speaker 1: It's built tongue dude. M It's time now for the
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  Speaker 1: TRCP Turkey Hunt Sweep Steaks reminder. Okay, every year we
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  Speaker 1: do this, we do We team up with me and
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  Speaker 1: Yanni Chimani the Lavvy and Lover. Every year we team
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  Speaker 1: up with TRCP to do a Turkey Hunt giveaway. We
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  Speaker 1: take a winner and a winner's guest on a three night,
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  Speaker 1: two day turkey hunt. We cover all expenses. Our guys
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  Speaker 1: get birds. Our guys this year got birds Day one.
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  Speaker 1: They get birds. Go to TRCP dot org and search
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  Speaker 1: up the summer turkey hunt, sweep steaks giveaway. You'll you'll
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  Speaker 1: find it easy. You buy, it's a raffle. You buy
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  Speaker 1: tickets to win again. We cover airfare, tags, food, lodging,
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  Speaker 1: We cover everything. You pay nothing. If you're short on gear,
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  Speaker 1: we'll get you. We'll find you some gear. If you're
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  Speaker 1: the winner, and anybody can win, anybody, well there's some
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  Speaker 1: states you can't win, which is like stupid, But just
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  Speaker 1: a guy who buys one tag. Listen, any Joe blow
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  Speaker 1: can win it. And we've got a list as long
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  Speaker 1: as your arm of satisfied past winners. We brought in
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  Speaker 1: a professional chef this year. We brought in a professional
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  Speaker 1: chef so that when you came in out of the woods,
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  Speaker 1: we had there was a professional chef cooking poot magoot.
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  Speaker 1: We had a hell of a good time this year.
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  Speaker 1: We're eating fresh asparagus picked right out of the garden.
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  Speaker 5: What's the what's the deadline?
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  Speaker 1: Don't know? Once you looked that up and chime in, I.
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  Speaker 5: Thought i'd do it in a more organic way if
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  Speaker 5: I were.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to know. Actually, just put some urgency around it.
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  Speaker 1: When are they gonna do the drag.
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  Speaker 6: Ends at eleven fifty nine Eastern Time on seven thirty one,
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  Speaker 6: twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty of Time, seven thirty one, plenty of time. Buy
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  Speaker 1: some now and buy some later. Win Big Me and
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  Speaker 1: Yanni are gonna take care of you, man, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: take care of you. You guys, get your birds before
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  Speaker 1: we touch our shotguns.
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  Speaker 8: That's our motto.
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  Speaker 6: And there's also there their runner up prizes, right like,
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  Speaker 6: even if you don't win the big thing.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna win the big thing, don't. Yeah, Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna win the You. I'm talking to you out there.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna win the big thing. That's right. Get your tickets.
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  Speaker 1: You're winning.
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  Speaker 8: You're up.
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  Speaker 1: A guy wrote in He says on last week's show,
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  Speaker 1: Steve was confident that he was insulated from criminal prosecution
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  Speaker 1: for unlawful possession of native wildlife because we had a
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  Speaker 1: mouse that we detained momentarily and it got away. So
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  Speaker 1: I was it was pointed out to me that I
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  Speaker 1: was in violation of the law because I had, like
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  Speaker 1: had a wild pet, and I was that my wife
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  Speaker 1: would be who they'd have the problem with because she's
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  Speaker 1: the one that took it home, and I was saying,
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  Speaker 1: well got away, so now nobody no case. A lawyer
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  Speaker 1: wrote in. He says, well, one problem, You've already confessed
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  Speaker 1: to it a bunch on the recording and made video
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  Speaker 1: evidence of it, so there might not be Yeah, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you might not have the mouse, but there's there's there's
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  Speaker 1: room to make a case against.
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  Speaker 3: It's also a career criminal prosecutor and he's prosecuted numerous
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  Speaker 3: murder case.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he says, I'm out of his jurisdiction, so
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  Speaker 1: he's not going to prosecute me. But I'd like to
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  Speaker 1: clarify again, the mouse is gone.
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  Speaker 5: They ran off. Was there even a mouse to begin with? No,
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  Speaker 5: We'll never know.
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  Speaker 1: No, And how would you know that that wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: mouse from the mouse store? A guy wrote in. He
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  Speaker 1: says his brother in law has adopted a raccoon kit
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  Speaker 1: after his father killed its parents. I don't think his
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  Speaker 1: father killed his parents. I think his father killed its mother.
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  Speaker 1: He says. We all live next to each other and
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  Speaker 1: we all work together. Huh the Phelps, that's the Phelps family.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks Jason, Thanks writing in Jason Phelps. We all we
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  Speaker 1: all live next to each other, and we all work together.
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  Speaker 1: Every one of the family, aside from my brother in
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  Speaker 1: law feels that the raccoon is best left outside to
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  Speaker 1: let nature run its course. My etequate question is do
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  Speaker 1: I call fishing game and risk family turmoil, or do
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  Speaker 1: I let him raise and release the raccoon for me
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  Speaker 1: to trap and kill later. We kept pet raccoons and
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid. I think they're delightful, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't I'm not telling you what to do. Guy rode in,
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  Speaker 1: that's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's all you got for that one.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you what to do. I got.
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  Speaker 1: I got enough legal problems in his mouth. I don't
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  Speaker 1: need to now be like eating giving legal advice. We
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  Speaker 1: kept pet raccoons when I was little, and they went back.
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  Speaker 2: To the wild after they turned vision.
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  Speaker 1: They turned mean, they start biting you all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and then they eventually turned themselves loose.
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  Speaker 6: My favorite part of this is the certainty with which
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  Speaker 6: it ends when he says let him release it from
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  Speaker 6: meet it, trap and kill.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but I would draw into question. See, we got
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  Speaker 1: our pet raccoons before they open their eyes, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how far along that raccoon is. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's going to live or not.
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  Speaker 2: Also, the kind of tacit.
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  Speaker 7: Silent agreement to this whole segment is that someone asked
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  Speaker 7: a question and you tell them what they should do.
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  Speaker 8: I'm just yeah, I just throw that out.
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  Speaker 1: There, but I'm feeling particularly vulnerable in the moment because
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  Speaker 1: of the because of the legal problem in right now
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  Speaker 1: with the mouse.
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  Speaker 3: So smart of you, Okay, I'll hit this really quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Like dozens and dozens of people wrote in to say
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  Speaker 3: that I was wrong. I was wrong. I said that
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  Speaker 3: the capital of New York State was Buffalo. That's not true,
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  Speaker 3: it's Albany. I was just trying to give some context
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  Speaker 3: for Erie County, and so the county seat is in Buffalo,
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  Speaker 3: but the capital is in Albany. And someone pointed out
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  Speaker 3: that that Albany has been the capital of New York
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  Speaker 3: since seventeen ninety seven. So that's how wrong I was.
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  Speaker 1: Uh. Guy wrote in, this is going back so far.
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  Speaker 1: People aren't gonna recall Randall had some birds killing his chickens.
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  Speaker 1: Randall was joking about how he's gonna kill those birds,
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  Speaker 1: and one guy wrote in, all worked up about that,
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  Speaker 1: but he's just joking. Another guy just rote in and says,
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  Speaker 1: there's an old timer trick you see.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and his solution, and again I hesitate to read
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  Speaker 9: this aloud for fear of whatever legal.
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  Speaker 1: Ability to shut him down hard.
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  Speaker 6: Don't worry, yeah, he says. He says, you you put
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  Speaker 6: some two by fours together, put a little plywood square
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  Speaker 6: on the very top to make a nice attractive.
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  Speaker 1: Perch, basically build a fence post.
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  Speaker 6: And then on that perch you put a leg trap
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  Speaker 6: and you chain it to the two by fours and
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  Speaker 6: put that up so it looks like a real nice
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  Speaker 6: place for a big bird of prey to sit there
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  Speaker 6: and watch your chickens.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, and then you're trapping that big bird of prey.
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  Speaker 1: I will point out to this fellah, that is very
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  Speaker 1: very illegal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very.
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  Speaker 1: Very illegal. Yeah, with that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
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  Speaker 7: Do we want to do the West Virginia fishing records. Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: we got a We got an email from a gentleman
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  Speaker 7: an angler in West Virginia who's saw Spencer's story on
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  Speaker 7: West Virginia state fishing records that were getting broken, and
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  Speaker 7: we we kind of went pretty hard at some of
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  Speaker 7: those fish, so.
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  Speaker 1: Much so that he says, in here, tell Steve he
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  Speaker 1: could suck it.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, he says, don't go trashing our new state records.
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  Speaker 7: And he goes on and makes a point that like
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  Speaker 7: a few decades ago, a lot of the water in
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  Speaker 7: West Virginia was so damaged by acidic rain that you
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  Speaker 7: couldn't even catch a fish in them.
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  Speaker 2: So he's got a good point there.
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  Speaker 1: They've done a lot of work on stream bank restoration
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  Speaker 1: and and and you know, he's give it. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: love giving credit for the half tat work to spend time.
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  Speaker 1: But you still catch it. Make beleef fish.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, golden trout are he says, bro He's correct. They're
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  Speaker 7: bread and grown and hatcheries and uh, the big ones
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  Speaker 7: usually have some wear and tear on their noses and
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  Speaker 7: tails from from the cement race ways they're.
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  Speaker 2: Grown up in.
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  Speaker 7: But he also goes on to say that they're notoriously
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  Speaker 7: hard to catch, which wasn't wasn't my experience when I
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  Speaker 7: was ten years old with a pitching a salmon uncle, Josh,
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  Speaker 7: salmon egg. But that's okay, he says, did you already
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  Speaker 7: get you wouldn't he bets you wouldn't pass up catching
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  Speaker 7: a five pound tiger trout.
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  Speaker 1: He says, I would not pass up correct, correct, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I wouldn't send pictures of it around and sign
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  Speaker 1: up and sign up for the state record. Sure I
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  Speaker 1: would catch it. I I would be like, hey watch,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch that.
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  Speaker 5: I held my tongue last time.
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  Speaker 6: I I just feel like you shouldn't shame people for
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  Speaker 6: going out and catching a fish.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're not shaming the people.
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  Speaker 1: The people. It's I'm not hating the player. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: hating the player the game. Yep, No, I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: It's not like this is the biggest problem. No, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like it's like a bigger problem than the Straightahr
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  Speaker 1: Mouz situation. But it's not the biggest problem the country faces. Yes, sure,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a big problem. Is if the state has
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  Speaker 1: broodstock in a tank and its tail is rubbed off
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  Speaker 1: from living in a tank, and one day they take
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  Speaker 1: it and they set it in a river and a
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  Speaker 1: guy catches out of the river, and then you go, wow,
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  Speaker 1: a new state record. I just it just it's not Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's something, but not that. But this gentleman, yeah
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  Speaker 1: had some great because all the dump the dump parts
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  Speaker 1: of it are made up for by the good party.
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  Speaker 7: One of the fish that we didn't bag on was
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  Speaker 7: the chain pickerel, because that's a native fish.
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  Speaker 6: But then we proceeded to bag well I did. The
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  Speaker 6: room proceeded to bag on him for fighting it for
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  Speaker 6: ten minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Me I was all for him anyway.
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  Speaker 7: The gentleman who caught the state record pickerel, which is
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  Speaker 7: not a large fish relatively speaking, fought it for what
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  Speaker 7: do they say, twenty minutes?
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  Speaker 2: Ten a long time.
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  Speaker 1: He had a big tussle, says said he would have
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  Speaker 1: taken him three seconds to pitch that thing onto the bank.
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  Speaker 7: The guy who wrote in says the reason the fight
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  Speaker 7: lasted so long is that he didn't have a net.
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  Speaker 7: Every time he tried to pick it up, it took
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  Speaker 7: off again. He was using four pound tests, so he's.
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  Speaker 2: Like baby in the fish.
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  Speaker 7: Eventually he got tired of messing with the fish and
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  Speaker 7: lipped it, which you don't do what chain pickerl because.
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  Speaker 1: They just shred shred your thought.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, And the interviewer asked him, didn't the teeth cut you?
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  Speaker 7: The guy who caught the fish responded, bleeding, his temporary
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  Speaker 7: estate record is forever.
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  Speaker 6: Well, unless you're breaking this is also the guy who's
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  Speaker 6: breaking his own state record.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, there's holes in everything. You can find a
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  Speaker 1: hole in everything. I get the sentiment.
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  Speaker 6: People out there catching big fish.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, half fun, go catch more state records.
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  Speaker 1: He points out that West Virginia likes Randall.
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  Speaker 6: Oh I didn't even see that.
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  Speaker 7: That's because the part, but the part of Ohio that
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  Speaker 7: Randall is from is not really Ohio. It's more like
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  Speaker 7: Kentucky and West Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was because his hair got wrong in
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  Speaker 1: the back for a while. Yeah. I think I just
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  Speaker 1: have a certain sensibility that West Virginia's are looking at
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  Speaker 1: Randall now and being like, you changed, Randall. I I
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  Speaker 1: can't put my finger on it, but you change, I
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: will say, you gotta snob.
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  Speaker 6: There are some comments about the haircut, wondering if I
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  Speaker 6: got a haircut. I did, in fact get a haircut.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't mean to get this much cut. But it
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  Speaker 6: will be back. It will be back, all right.
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  Speaker 1: That's our news, your news and other news.
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  Speaker 6: Alrighty, so Phil, we have on the line here, Georgia
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  Speaker 6: DNR herpetologist Daniel Sullenberger. Daniel, thank you for joining us today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 3: So uh.
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  Speaker 6: I came across a few headlines yesterday about a uh
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  Speaker 6: an issue you got have going on down there with
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  Speaker 6: an animal lizard called a tagu. Is that the correct pronunciation?
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  Speaker 4: Could you that's right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Could you tell us the listener what is it tagu?
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  Speaker 6: And why are they in the news right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So they're a really large South American lizard. They grow,
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  Speaker 4: you know, four to four and a half feet long,
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  Speaker 4: not commoter dragon size, but much bigger than anything we
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  Speaker 4: have here in the US normal normally, And they've become
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  Speaker 4: established in some places in the southeast. There's a few
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  Speaker 4: different populations in Florida and now at least this one
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  Speaker 4: in South Georgia, and concerns of them becoming established elsewhere.
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  Speaker 4: And they're as you'd expect a big reptile to do.
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  Speaker 4: They kind of eat what they want, and it turns
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  Speaker 4: out they can kind of live where they want.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was reading that they they'll actually brewmate, so
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  Speaker 6: they will shut down for the winners. They could maybe
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  Speaker 6: survive in colder climates than what you might expect for
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  Speaker 6: an animal like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, what's what's to me?
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  Speaker 4: So there? You know a lot of people think is
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  Speaker 4: just say a lot of people think of South America
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  Speaker 4: as being like tropical rainforest all over. But you know
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  Speaker 4: where these tegus are from in terms of latitude, if
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  Speaker 4: you were to mirror it on to North America, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the southern end of where they live would be equivalent
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  Speaker 4: to like forty degrees south, which is roughly like Pennsylvania, wow,
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  Speaker 4: in the US. And there's a lot of other things
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  Speaker 4: that determine climate, you know, But but just to give
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  Speaker 4: you they live in a very temperate environment, very similar
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  Speaker 4: to what we have in the southern US.
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  Speaker 1: Now, when you're saying that that they get to four
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: four and a half feet, do you think that right
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: now in Georgia in the wild is a four foot
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: specimen or is that just what it would get in
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: native range or in a zoo? Meaning are they are
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: they legitimately achieving that size in Georgia?
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I mean you're asking if it's like the broodstock trout.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And yeah, are we talking broodstock?
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Are we talking about in terms of like actually be yeah,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: actually being a product of the environment? Possibly?
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, so you know, we have harvested animals or
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: the public has has shot them, and we've trapped some
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: that are you know, three and a half to four
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: feet in length. I mean they're Yeah, we've had some
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: pretty big ones. It's usually the males that get that big.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean eventually, I'm I'm sure we have
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: some four plus foot take us out there.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Man, you'd hear that thing comes to.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: And for the DNR, the concern is is that they're
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: eating a lot of eggs of game birds and things
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: like that. Can you sort of put a finer point
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: on what the issue is as far as conservation concerns.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they so they'll eat just about anything, plant, animal matter,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: whatever they want, but they really like eggs and so
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: you know ground nesting birds. You know, a lot of
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: songbirds nest on the ground, turkey, quail, reptile eggs. They'll
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: dig up the nests of turtles. They've even been found
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: rating alligator nests in Florida, So you know the impact
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: they could have on some of those things. You know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of concern right now for turkeys in
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: the state, probably pretty much everywhere, and having an additional
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: nest predator on top of the native ones that they've
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: adapted to deal with. We've invested a lot of money
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: and effort into go for tortoise conservation. The public's got
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: several new w m as out of it. We do,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you know, prescribe burning for them and do a lot
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: of management for tortoises and something like I take you
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: digging up nests could undermine a.
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: Lot of that work.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Sure, they're they're egg eating activities are a big concern.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: That's big enough just to go back to that bigness.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: It's big enough if you could hit it with a
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: bow and have to track it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a big yeah.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, you get the blood trail. I
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: ultimately wouldn't do it, you know. Like so we do
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: recommend that people shoot them. That's usually the quickest way
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: to dispatch one and not let it get away.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I'm as just the observation. I'm not suggesting that people
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Well, it's that's that's the recommendation, is right, it's killed.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Oh sure, yeah, but the recommendation is to kill on site.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, certainly. You know, if you see one and
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: think I'll call d n R. Let's them know and
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: maybe they can come trap it later. Sometimes we try,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: and sometimes we do get the animal, but it's very
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: common for those animals to just run off and they're
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: not seen again. At least not in that location. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: so if it's say now, if you live in an
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Hoa and you know Nan from across the streets walking
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: her dog by, you probably shouldn't do it in your
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: front yard. But if it's safe and legal where you're at,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: and you have a firearm close by, just go ahead
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: and dispatch that animal and then call us.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Give me a wild ballpark. How many are in Georgia?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, let's play a game. More than a thousand
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: or less than a thousand?
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Okay, are we talking adults or like including all the hatchlings,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: because depending on the time of year adults, that number
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: could adult. So like one year plus year old animals.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: That more than a thousand.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, all right, so it's a real deal. They're around.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I will clarify, you know, the hold
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: and cover up my shirt like that is a guess.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: That is a total wild guess.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So they do turn up over you know, two counties,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: which you know, we have one hundred and fifty nine counties,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: so our counties aren't very big, but but there're two
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of our larger counties kind of across that whole area,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: Like I don't know, probably a few hundred square mile
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: area or something like that that we've really had, you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: so to give you an idea, they turn up all
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: over the state. Most of those animals are just people's
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: pets that have gotten loose, So they're in Atlanta, Millageville,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: and mountains everywhere, and we think most of those, hopefully
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: are just people's pets. But just in those two counties
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: where your vidalia onions come from, they we've had like
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: thirty plus and animals that have been killed, captured, hit
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: on the road, you know, something where we have a
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: carcass or a photo of an animal, and then a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: lot of other credible sightings that where someone just you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: saw one run across the road and huh, you know,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: wasn't able to get it.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Do you and it again.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: I'm not asking you to comment on this as a
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: as a representative of Georgia d NR, but just as
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: a guy on the street. Have you heard anything? Are
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: they good to eat? What's the recommendation there?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: You know, I was sitting at last time like we'll
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: not really gonna ask, you know what, they're gonna ask
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: what they taste? Like, I've not had the pleasure. I've
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: not had the pleasure of eating one, but I imagine
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: it tastes a lot like iguana or something like that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: A lot of reptiles kind of are similar to me.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna ask you've ever been or something
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's embarrassing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: Well, it sounds like a quick, quick hitting the deep
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: fire is is what's in what's in order for the takers?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Then? Yeah? Yeah? Uh?
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Anything else we should know before we let you go here, Daniel, No,
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: I got I got one question.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I see in the notes, Sorry, I see in the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: notes kill on site order? Is that true? Or is
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that something in our.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Notes that's your notes? Okay, we can't yeah, yeah, we
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: can't force people to kill them.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: You really appreciate it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I figured that was something that generated on
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: our end, But I just wanted to clarify that it
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: wasn't like the cops or like ticketing people. They're ticketing
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: people for not shooting the lizards.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah help, yeah, yeah, they're eager to help you kill
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: something that is something we generally can get people to
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: help with without I.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Do got one. I got, I got one last question.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe Randall's got more. I got one last question. Uh,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: when you look at or around the nation, around the world.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: You look at battles with invasives. Usually, you know, maybe
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: early on, when there's an invasive species takes hold, maybe
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: there's some optimism or some hope that you'll actually get
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: rid of it right, But oftentimes it turns into a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: continued management issue, and people will point out that, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: outside of some pathogen emerging, we're not getting out of
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: this problem. Asiatic carp. I mean, I could go on
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: all day, but like asiatic carp in the Mississippi water sheds,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: zebra muscles, zebra muscles in the Great Lakes, wild hogs
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in Texas, no serious person is suggesting that we're going
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to take care of the problem. In your mind, where
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: do we sit on on on this lizard issue in Georgia.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: We're still early in that curve, you know. But so
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: it's a thousand animals sounds like a lot. Let's say
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: it actually was a thousand, but it's really not like
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: that's doable. And the area is fairly well known in
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: terms of the extent of the invasion. The problem is
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: it's almost entirely private land. There aren't a lot of
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: people there. It's it's very rural farmland. Timberland, and there's
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: a ton of places for these animals to hide. It.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: It's hard for me to say for sure. I think
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: there's some optimism to at the very least contain it
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: to that area. Gotcha eradicating them? Well, we'll have to see,
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: you know. It's really it's gonna take a lot of
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: help from the public on that, and there's no magic
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: yet for them. So thenk you'll see where we're at
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: in another ten years.
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: Sounds good, Daniel, thanks so much for joining us.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no problem, I appreciate it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. Thanks dam yep, y'all have a good one,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you too, Okay. Next up here on the News show,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: we're joined in the studio by Dan Gates from Colorado's
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: for Responsible Wildlife Management. Dan Gates has been on the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: show before. The reason he's here now is we're going
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to talk about we're always reporting on all kinds of bad,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: crazy things coming out of Colorado of late right people
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: looking to suppress rights and kind of subvert wildlife management
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to conform to a animal rights agenda in the state
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of Colorado. And rather than just pointing out all the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: things that are wrong with the world, Dan's here to
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: tell us about a way that hunters and angers might
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: move forward in a more proactive and constructive manner with
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the passage of an amendment that would provide a concept
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: institutional right to hunt and fish.
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: Yes, sir, yeah, yeah, cal Whill three h two Initiative
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: three oh two is what it is right now. If
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: it passes and we get the signatures on it with
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: the support of the International Order of t Roosevelt. Those
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: signatures are due on August fourth, and if that, if
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: we get the signatures, it'll be on the ballot for
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: people to vote on this year.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: How many signatures do you need?
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: One hundred and twenty five thousand roughly, So we're looking
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: at probably trying to gather two hundred thousand to make
• 27:29
  Speaker 8: sure that we have enough to clear the threshold and
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: get certified.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: If that dude in Oregon could get the necessary number
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: of if you could get the right numbers signatures to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: ban ranching and having rodeos, I feel like that's control. Yeah,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like you should be able to get the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: right number of signatures to get this going. But is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: in all seriousness, is there a concern about signature gathering?
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, to some degree, there is Steve. I think that
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: the biggest problem that we probably have in the long
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: run is getting people to understand why you need something
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: and what it does. Codifies what we have an existing statute,
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: but it does it in a constitutional right manner, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: it gives you another tool in the toolbox where you
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: can go say you can't do this unless we have
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: the science and the data to be able to support that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: This doesn't give anybody the unequivocal ability or authority to
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: hunt from January first to December thirty first on private
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: property and all species and methods of take and no limit.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: The Agency Colorida Parks of wal Life still has the
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: overwhelming authority just like what they should, and the Commission,
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: even though it's a bad commission at this point in time,
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: still has the ability to interact with the agency and
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: that process, so it just codifies it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of one of the main things I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: wanted to dig in on this issue. But I mean,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I want to alert Colorado and to make sure to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: go get their signature taken care of. Yes, make sure
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to start telling, you know, when it makes the ballot
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: right that they start telling, you know whatever their aunt
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: who doesn't hunt. Hey, heads up when this thing comes out,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: here's what you got to do to support me. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: make sure the word gets out. But I wanted to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: narrow not something with you. How many states have this now?
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: Thirty twenty four, twenty four it would be the twenty fifth.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Colorado, the twenty fifth state have a constitutional right
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to hunt fish. But here's the thing I always wonder,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: how does it have teeth? Like? Are you aware of
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the of the states that have Are you aware that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the states have ever been able to use the constitutional
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: right to hunt and fish to combat a piece of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a bad regulatory piece to combat a bill? Jimmy?
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: How does it become actionable? Like let's say you're sitting
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: there and you have it passed, how do you then
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: use it to litigate bad legislation?
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: That's a good point, and that's some of the questions
• 29:45
  Speaker 8: that we've been asked over and over, and then talking
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: to the Travis Thompson's and the Luke Hilgemans with the
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: International Order. They did this in twenty twenty four in Florida,
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: and there's many other states have attempted to do this
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: successfully through the legislator method or madness and the ballot
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: side of this actually provides a level of constitutionality to
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: the point where on certain circumstances, for certain issues, states
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: have had to be able to turn around and challenge
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: maybe an attack and assault on some sort of prohibition
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: or restriction on hunting or fishing. But if you look
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: at what it's probably prevented. The states that have had
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: this in place, they haven't had the fight the fight
• 30:27
  Speaker 8: because the people that are wanted to come to the
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: table with those fights are like, if we go there,
• 30:33
  Speaker 8: we better have the science on our side, and they don't,
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: and so it prohibits It's like a I joke about this,
• 30:39
  Speaker 8: but it's like a windshield on a truck. It doesn't
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: stop a bee from hitting inside the head of every
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: windows down, but it stops a lot of the stuff
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: from coming right into the front. And it just helps codify,
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: like I mentioned, the opportunity for game agencies to science
• 30:56
  Speaker 8: base regulate what we have to do when it comes
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: to regulation of our wildlife resources.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Let me put the question, let me put the question
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: to you a little bit different, not that you didn't answer,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: but let's play let's play with time a little bit.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Let's say, let's go back and say that ten years ago,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: ten years ago, Colorado passed constitutional right to hunt and fish, Okay,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and then they had come up against two years ago. Now,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: when the hell was it the hunt? So the constitutional
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: right to hunt fish was magically in place ten years ago. Right,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Let's pretend and up comes this ballot initiative to end
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: all hunting of wildcats in Colorado. Do you feel that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: that constitutional right would have offered some protection to that
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: prevented that argue to counterpoint to that wholeheartedly.
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: I think that it would allowed us to be able
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: to turn around and prop up the science based wildlife
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: management and a manner to where it would be less
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: likely to be attacked in the by the things that
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: they're doing. Just like we've got prairie dog petitions, we've
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: had furbearer petitions, we've had attempts to turn around and
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: restrict other forms of hunting, not just on the ballot measure,
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: but through the legislature. It would have prevented that from
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: even moving to those levels unless the agency had the
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: science to turn around and say, hey, guys, we need
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: to step back and we need to do some of this.
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: But at that point it would also be an opportunity
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: for the antis to say, maybe we should go to
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: some place that is a little bit less prepared.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: Typically they're not going to places that have the constitutional
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: right to hunt and fish and the manner that they
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: try to do it, and the other places that don't
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: because they know they've got that roadblock that they're going
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: to have to fight. They can fight to get something passed,
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: then they got to fight to turn around and keep
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: it past.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Doesn't this seem it seems so strange to me. I'm
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: sure it's explainable, but it seems strange to me that
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Colorado and Washington have sort of become the oh good, yeah,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: have become the sort of test grounds for how to
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: chip away at how to chip away at hunting practices
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: in situations where you cannot point to hunting having you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: a detrimental impact on the resource. So it's sort of
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: like a like make believe problems. Oh yeah, right, like, oh,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: we have a lot of black bears. In fact, we
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: have expanding populations of black bears, but you shouldn't be
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: able to hunt them, right Like that seems to have
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: become those states.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: Look at Oregon IB twenty eight. I mean that mentality
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: floats around that. You mentioned that when they want to
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: turn around and make states a complete state and an
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: animal sanctuary state for everything under the sun. It's easy
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: to say that that doesn't happen in other states. But
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: Colorado's doing the exact same thing, except for we're doing
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: it individually, one little small thing at a time. Try
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: this can't accomplish that, Let's go with this Oregon, They're
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: just trying the whole thing in one great, big sweep.
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: And I think that you look at the Western United
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: States one because of the public land side of things too,
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: because of the big game resources that we have that
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: other parts of the country don't, and the people that
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: move to those locations, there's less of a population density
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: of humans that you have to turn around and convinced
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: to do something. It's harder to do it when you're
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: in Alabama and got you know, twelve million people and
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: seven million hunt or whatever that happen ours are. But
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: when you get into a state like Colorado, we've got
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: such a transient population that comes in just like an
• 34:23
  Speaker 8: organ Just like in Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, the West
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: is particularly vulnerable to the ideologies of people that come in,
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: and it's easy for those animal rights groups to sway
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: them because it's not in their heritage or their tradition.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but only in certain Western states, right, Like they're
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: not going to try. Like Wyoming is not at risk
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: the same way Colorado.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh no, you know what I mean.
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but but but Wyoming is probably just as fragile.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: If you turn around and look at the influx of
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: people that could move in to Wyoming and political yeah, yeah,
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: mean you need you need less of those to be
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: able to do so. Ours happened over thirty years. But
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: you know what's funny is if you look back pre
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: COVID and the people that I know in those states
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: that we mentioned, including Idaho and Montana, and people said, oh,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: we don't have to worry about that gates, we don't
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: have to. We got that barrier. We've got something. COVID
• 35:12
  Speaker 8: hit and all the people from Oregon, Washington, and California
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: started moving to those other states, and everybody's calling me, going,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: how the hell do we deal with this? Well, we've
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: been dealing with it for thirty years. But everybody else
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: thought that they were bulletproof because they didn't have that
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: sort of influx.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want it. It's just funny. I don't want
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to get political, but really, yeah, well there's like, okay,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: this is a humongous issue. But it would be that
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: people moved from left leaning states to right leaning states
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and then want to then turn them into the states
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: they left in a little bit, not totally, but in
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a mentality like you come and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you're like, I cannot believe these rednecks are allowed to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: hunt mountain lions. Yeah, I need to fix this.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: The amount of people that we saw during the one
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: twenty seven campaign on the mountain lion deal in twenty
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: twenty four versus the amount of people that we hear
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: talking about this that are completely one hundred percent. Animal
• 36:07
  Speaker 8: rights extremists often say in their testimonies and their op
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: eds and their public engagement, I didn't know this was
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: going on. If I did, I would have stood up sooner.
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: And I'm like, you're seventy seven years old, you've lived
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: in a state for forty four years. You don't have
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: a clue of what the hell's going on on something,
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: and now all of a sudden, it's tragic because you
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: heard somebody's killing mountain lions or somebody's managing fur bearers.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it shows the depth of their knowledge. Yeah,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: which is the about this last week exactly.
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: It is not going to stand no, no, And they
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: don't know anything about it except for what somebody told them.
• 36:39
  Speaker 8: If you look at the testimony that these people put out,
• 36:42
  Speaker 8: and not to get off on a tangent, but they
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: all say the exact same thing. They don't have an
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: opinion for themselves because they've been told to say this,
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: this script, this bullet point, this is what you say.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: And they get up and they repeat it over and
• 36:54
  Speaker 8: over and over, and I'm like, it's like deja vous.
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: It's like groundhog Day. They don't say anything new because
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: they don't have anything except for what somebody told them
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: to say.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: How do people how do people find I guess generally
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: about ballot initiatives, we always joke about where they must
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: go to get signatures, like, you know, you might go
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: to I could they go to a Whole Foods? You
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: can picture a guy with a little table set up,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, out front.
• 37:20
  Speaker 8: And that happens.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So how do people get the signatures? And how
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: do people find you? If they want to join the ballot,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: if they want to join the signatures.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: Well, and honestly, in your in your waiting room out here,
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: I was answering emails that people wanted to be able
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: to get signature packets, and so they can become certified
• 37:36
  Speaker 8: through the Secretary of State. It's about a twenty minute deal.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: You've got to take online.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: Once you get that, they can reach out to me,
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: or they can go to saveco Heritage dot org, which
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: is the website for the international order process that we're doing.
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: You can actually get certified and have packets to be
• 37:52
  Speaker 8: able to turn around and distribute. And you can't get
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: it's not like a statutory ballot initiative. This is constitutional.
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: So we need the signatures. Two percent of each of
• 38:02
  Speaker 8: the signatures need to come from thirty five the thirty
• 38:04
  Speaker 8: five Senate districts that we have, So you have to
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: go to the smallest communities and the largest place is
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: to get two percent of the voters in those communities.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So you said again, I got confused.
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: Okay, So it's probably because the way I explained it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: As I started hearing numbers, something happens in my head.
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: So if there's ten thousand people in the Senate district,
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: you've got to have two percent of the signatures from
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: that Senate district really for a constitutional amendment.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: So you need to walk away. How many districts make
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: up Denver Fort Collins.
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: It's about eleven twelve in that general vicinity.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: You need to get two percent of all those.
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: Two percent of all the registered voters in each one
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: of those districts.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: Damn.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, But if you go to a Senate district like
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: on the Western Slope, it might be very broad and
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: very vast, but there's less people there. So when people
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: keep asking us, well, I haven't seen anybody around, maybe
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: those districts have already fulfilled the threshold and so you
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: won't see somebody there. You try to get the farthest
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: way way once first and then concentrate on the ones
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: that you know you're going to have to have, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: thirty five thousand.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: So you could have some guy out in eastern Colorado
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: just kicking ass, but after a while it's not doing
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: any good.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: Done it do any good?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: You know, He's like, I signed up the whole county exactly.
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: All twelve of them, and pretty soon you're in your one.
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: And that's that's the frustration, because people don't understand. Yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: if you go statutory, you can stand out literally in
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: front of one Whole Foods and downtown Denver and get
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: whatever you want. That's what cats aren't trophies. Did our
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: friends back in twenty twenty four. It wasn't constitutional, it
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: was statutory, so they could get all the signatures out
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: of Denver if they wanted to. They didn't have to
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: go to these.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah that man. See this is something I had
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: ever understood. Okay, so where do you need where do
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you feel you need signatures?
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: Well, the hardest places are going to be in the Denver,
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: Boulder Fort Collins areas, just because of the vast amount
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: of people that you and.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: You got a lot of people on the ground there
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: doing it. Or should you be calling for like, should
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you be calling for guys to go do that twenty
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: minute thing and get the packet.
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: No, we're asking people to do the twenty minute thing
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: and get the packet.
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: And the main reason, hey, by god, can can you
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: bring in non residents to collect signatures?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Carpet bag and we should go down there and that's
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: carpet bag. Knock bag down there.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: We can carpet bag down there. It's just that you
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: have to be you You don't have to be a
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: resident of the state to get the signatures. You just
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: have to be a resident registered voter to be able
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: to sign it. Right. And because there's canvassers, they call
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: them canvassers, the petition gatherers that come around and travel
• 40:33
  Speaker 8: around the country. This is what they do. So we
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: have a roughly.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Guns for hire we should go canvas.
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I know where I'm I know where
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: I'm going to put you though, where the Boulder Canvas
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: right down on Pearl Street. You could do a meat
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: either live deal down there, a Rockies game, you know.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: So if someone wants to become a signature collector and
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: they're not one of these roving guns for hire, they're
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: they're just a person out there looking to do the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: right thing. They do what they come find. You know.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: They can send an email to us through Save the
• 41:09
  Speaker 8: Hunt Colorado dot com. They can also get on that
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: other website, save ceo Heritage dot org. Put your name
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: on there for contact. They can reach out. We will
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: send them the proper information to where they can go
• 41:21
  Speaker 8: get certified. They get certified, they come back. I mean
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: that the certification deal is kind of a a weeding
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: out of the unwillful. You know, everybody wants to do
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: something until they find out there's an effort to it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: It's like I got to sign up for a test,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: and I got the Secretary of State and who's who
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: I am and where I live and they know that anyway,
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: it's just that now you're actually putting your mark on
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: your preferences and so forth. Sure, so you get that,
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: you turn around, we'll put you in touch with the
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: canvasser coordinator liaison organizer, and then she's been doing very
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: very good of being able to just turn around and say, okay,
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: you got your certification, here's your packets, this is what
• 41:57
  Speaker 8: you need to do. The certification actually came into place
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: in December of twenty twenty five. It didn't used to
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: have to do that. But there's a volunteer position that
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: you consert that you can get the signatures on, or
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: there's a paid level to where this is a business
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: and for X amount of dollars and I don't know
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: what the current number is, but X amount of dollars
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: for every signature you collect, you turn around and get
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: three bucks or five bucks or twenty seven dollars or
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: whatever the heck it is. If it's twenty seven dollars,
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: there's to be a lot more people out there. But
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: you know, most circulators that you see in front of
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: King Supers or Whole Foods, they'll have a table set
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: up and they'll have maybe five different petitions for different
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: ballot INITIATI. This is their job.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, see, I always associate the person collect and
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the signature with sort of the that that's what they
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: want to happen. But they could be indifferent to this.
• 42:45
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, they're just money.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: There are some states. There's some states where you're required
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: if you're paid, you're required to tell all of the
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: signers that I'm paid, right, like different political transparency law,
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: different states require certain things of these these canvassers. But
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: it's a whole network.
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: It's a complicated process.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And while it almost sounds like, well I don't want
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: to call it criocket, but it's not a cricket process.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: But I'm just surprised. I just feel like it's got
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: to be true believers out they're getting them signatures.
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: Well, and see going back to twenty twenty four on
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: the cats Aren't Trophies campaign, they were having a hard
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: time getting their volunteers to get the necessary signatures. There
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: was an agreement made by Governor Polis with the oil
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: and gas industry about a ballot initiative, and the oil
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: and gas industry backed off, so they didn't employ the
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: signature gatherers anymore. And those signature gathers were looking for
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: a job, and they cut the price in a half
• 43:42
  Speaker 8: or seventy five percent and went over to the freaking
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: cats aren't trophies people and said, hey, we've got these
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: people available. You couldn't pay twenty dollars like what we
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: were doing before. That's why the oil and gas industry
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: was there. But now we made this deal. We'll do
• 43:54
  Speaker 8: this for X amount of dollars and cats aren't trophies
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: could be able to come up with that money.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a racket, huh. And there's a good racket
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: for people that are in it for a business because
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: they're really good at it. But other people are like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: I don't want to stand on the street corner and
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: a hailstorm trying to turn around it.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: Getting all kinds of arguments to people and stuff.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's and there we have a tremendous amount of
• 44:16
  Speaker 8: ballot initiatives coming up that people are trying to get
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: signatures for to meet the deadline, And there's some stuff
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: I'd look and I'd like, I don't want to argue
• 44:23
  Speaker 8: with those people on that stuff. I argue with enough people.
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: I don't need to stand on the side of the
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: road to the clipboard.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: So let's move ahead. You get let's say you get
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: all this. Let's you're gonna get the signature.
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: We're going to get there's no doubt getting the signature.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, how do you think the election is going
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to go? Has any has any constitutional right to hunt
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and fish been beat at the at the ballot box?
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: Not to the best of my knowledge. There's been some
• 44:46
  Speaker 8: that have not made it through the initial thresholds on
• 44:48
  Speaker 8: legislative issues because of differences between the House and the
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: Senate in a particular state or something. But when it
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: gets on the ballot, I mean, the overwhelming majority of
• 44:56
  Speaker 8: the general public agrees with legal regular hunting methods for
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: wildlife management and a manner to the point where I
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: mean Florida passed by I think sixty seven percent and
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: they needed sixty. The difference was like on cats aren't trophies.
• 45:12
  Speaker 8: When we did the deal in our state, statutory you
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: needed fifty plus one percent. That's why the Wolf Deal
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: passed because it was statutory. We need fifty five percent
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: to meet that maximum minimum threshold on the constitutionality.
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: It's kind of make it a little easier dragging the
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: anglers into it too.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: Oh tremendously, Yeah, especially in a place like Florida, because
• 45:32
  Speaker 8: there's a hell of a lot more fishing down there
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: than there is hunting. But in Colorado, I mean, we've
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: got roughly a million sportsmen and women in the state
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: of Colorado. And my song and dance is, if you
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: know anybody that hunts and fishes around the country, you
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: need to turn around and get them to support this
• 45:48
  Speaker 8: on their social media or outreach or something, because this
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: is something the International Order wants to do nationwide. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: if they can get done with Colorado and accomplish that
• 45:58
  Speaker 8: make it the twenty fifth state, we're pretty soon you
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: look at maybe maybe Arizona, maybe New Mexico. They're talking California,
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: they're talking Nevada.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I met a guy in Nevada who's pushing for it,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and he's adamant. And people keep telling him, don't do
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: it this way. He's adamant that he wants to go
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: for hunt, fish and trap, and they're telling them, man,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you're you're you're, you're clouding the waters. He's like, but
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I I if he pulls it off, I think it's
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: a stroke of genius. Oh yeah. But some people are like,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: you gotta keep it hunting fish. Write it in such
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a way, write it in such a way that it
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: covers what you want. But once you throw the word trapping,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: they're like, it just is gonna get hard. Yeah. But
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: he's the guy I met, and I don't even know
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: how serious he is about He is a he's a lawmaker,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: state lawmaker. He wants to go for hunt, fish and trap.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm not. He don't want to leave
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: anything unspoken.
• 46:49
  Speaker 8: Well, and there's there's something that needs to be mentioned too,
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: because this talks about traditional methods, and legally, it talks
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: about the the traditional methods that are legal at the
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: time a passage. So when people keep coming home and
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: saying we're going to get bear hunting back, not through
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: this year. Not We're going to get trapping back, not
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: through this year. Now, see the trapping Amendment. In nineteen
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: ninety six. Amendment fourteen was a constitutional amendment Initiative ten,
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: which was the Spring bear hunting, Pounds, bait and everything
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: in ninety two that passed by sixty nine to thirty
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: one percent. That is not this is not going to
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: bring that back now. If you want to go back
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: and try that after, this is an effect. But anybody
• 47:26
  Speaker 8: that believes that you're going to get that stuff back
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: by putting this into place, those laws proceed this.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: This is protective what you have now.
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: Yes, yes, And if we want to go back down
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: that road at some point in time, you won't be
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: able to hunt wolves with this. That does not give
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: you that privilege to be able to do so.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like, hey, go hunt anything you want,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you know, the rest of your lives.
• 47:45
  Speaker 8: And I've had guys come up and say, well, now
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: I could kill a big horn sheep.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like.
• 47:51
  Speaker 8: If you draw a tag, you know it's it's not.
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: And you know, a guy from the guy from Mississippi
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: comes up, has one point now and he wants to
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: kill a big worn cheat and he thinks this is
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: going to open it up.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: It's not.
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: This is very strict and it's very sideboarded, it's got
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: blinders on it, and there are laws, rules and regulations
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: that adhere to this. It still gives the agency the
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: overwhelming authority to be able to manage our wildlife resources
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: and proportuity. Excellent, It's good.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Everybody needs it, man, Good luck on that.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: We're trying. We're trying to do everything we possibly can.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: Money is a deal. Everybody needs a turn around and
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: figure out a way to help every other state on
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: the money side. I already gave the websites and stuff,
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: but if you don't mind, I'll give a plug real quick.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: The raffles that we're doing that we've got going. The
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: big one is on the Hill Ranch. The deadline for
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: that is the twelfth of June. But it is a
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: tag that non residents cannot get through the draw. This
• 48:47
  Speaker 8: is the only way you're going to hunt this unless
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: you pay an exorbitant feed. It's thirty four points to
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: be able to get on that if you draw through
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: the Ranching for Wildlife program through the COLWORID of Parks
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: and Wildlife Draw. Nobody's going to draw that for what
• 49:01
  Speaker 8: elk Elk, Yeah, for Elk on the Hill Ranch and
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: it's I mean, it's we we encourage people and that
• 49:07
  Speaker 8: money goes to you guys for this far every single thing.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, I'm doing it.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean. And then and then we've got a
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: fishing trip up and say tell me how I go
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: do that again? So you can go to s c
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: I Colorado dot org for that and that we've got
• 49:21
  Speaker 8: stuff on Instagram and Facebook.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: But Bobby and Dotty Hill at the Hill Ranch contributed
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: to this. This is this is where the bunch of
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: the big guys hunt. This is where they do a
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: lot of they're filming and and this is an opportunity
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: that everybody should take advantage of because you're just not
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: going to find it. This is Lorenzo Sartini. He commented
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: when we did the Go Hunt podcast and he said,
• 49:40
  Speaker 8: this is a once in a lifetime opportunity to be
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: able to get on this ranch. And so that's that's
• 49:45
  Speaker 8: there's a fishing trip and that one. They're combined on
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: the same deal. SCI Colorado dot Org. It's raffle, raffle.
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: I'm going drawing is drawing is June fifteenth.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I'm going to win. Feel it, my bones.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: We gotta get we gotta get buying tickets.
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: Here, you get buying tickets, and if you do that,
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: you got to come if you if you win, you
• 50:03
  Speaker 8: got to come down and collect signatures.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, deal, deal, Dan Gates, Thanks for coming out, man,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Keep us posted on the fight. We're
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: here to help get that thing on the ballot and
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: we'll be we'll be plugging away on it.
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: We've got a ton of information coming down the pike.
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: And you seem to be interested in Colorado stuff anyway,
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: because it's it's always flavorful.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, going on, smell it. Smell it from up here.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Yea Brody spent many a good year down there, Yohan,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: you live down there.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: So what's the signature deadline again?
• 50:34
  Speaker 8: Signature deadline is August fourth, August fourth, Yeah, and once
• 50:38
  Speaker 8: we get that, then it's going to be a certification
• 50:40
  Speaker 8: and after that it's full blown election cycle, just like
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: what we've done every other time.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: On All right, I'm buying them tickets.
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Appreciate your guys the time. Yeah, man, appreciate it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: Thanks.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Speaking of initiatives and petitions and whatnot, we just touched
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: on that thing in Oregon where they're they're fixing the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: there's a ballot initiative coming out to It'll never in
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a million years pass a ballot initiative that would ban
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: ranching rodeos, it would ban hunting. Okay, it'll never pass,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: But they got the signatures to put it on the ballot,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and Oregon's Governor, Tina Kotech came out and publicly announced
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: her opposition. Is it worth playing the video?
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: We can play the first sure?
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's getting a lot of calls.
• 51:27
  Speaker 10: Hi, Oregon Governor Kochek here after hearing from concerned Oregonians,
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: I want to take a moment to be very clear
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: about where I stand on IP twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: I oppose it.
• 51:38
  Speaker 10: Criminalizing activities like hunting and fishing would be wrong for Oregon.
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: I know tribal leaders, family farmers and ranchers, and Oregonians
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: across the state who care deeply about protecting our land,
• 51:50
  Speaker 10: waters and wildlife. This petition does nothing to help them
• 51:54
  Speaker 10: and a risk criminalizing common agricultural practices that are critical
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: to Oregon's economy.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Oh keep playing, Oh okay, because there's a little there's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: a there's no no no, no no no no, keep playing.
• 52:10
  Speaker 10: After that, I believe that we can have an honest
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: conversation about responsible conservation and animal welfare out attacking.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: That's there's a little like you're watching it and you're like, hell, yeah,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: go and then she does that. Sure we could have
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: an honest conversation about animal welfare. Yes, she's got what
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: does that conversation look like?
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: She's got to acknowledge a certain segment of demographics, and.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: She's throwing she's thrown a little bone. But still, thank you, governor,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Okay on the National Wildlife Refuges.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of news, This gets tricky, a lot of news.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I almost wanted it's not it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: Can I start by saying that the headline that I saw, please, okay,
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: we'll leave it.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna do then I'm gonna do the whole Yeah.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like this will give you a place.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Please.
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: I got a text for my buddy last week or
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: the week before with a headline that said Trump creates
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: ninety two million acres of hunting and fishing access.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay.
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: And then there's the Times headline.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, then there's the Times okay. During Trump one, during
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: the Biden administration, and during Trump too. We have been
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: witnessed to we have seen a general relaxing of hunting
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and fishing regulations on certain federal.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: Lands, which create opportunities.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Trump one picked it up where they would look at
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: be like, well, why can't you fish here? You know.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Let's I'm just pulling out an example, not a concrete example,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: but a loose example. Be like, let's say there's a
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: there's a waterfowl refuge that hosts where birds spend on
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: their mind migratory journey. They're spending time there in the winter.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: But someone realizes that for some reason, you can't fish
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: there in June, you know, and there's no birds, right,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: So they said, well, why can't you fish there in June?
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: And so they would open up and they say, you
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: know what, there's no real reason you should be fishing
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: there in June. So we're going to increase these opportunities.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Trump one started it under Secretary Bernhardt's that started up.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: I think Obama Obama did Obama do something.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Biden did some. Trump too, though, has announced the biggest one,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: like this is the biggest one. So just to give
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: you a little fact about it. Okay, there's a press
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: release the Interior Department put out and here's some lines
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some lines from the press release.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: This is from the Department of the Interior. Okay, so
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: lines such as the Department of the Interior today announced
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: major actions to expand hunting and fishing access across lands
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: and waters managed by the Department. The actions include the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: US Fish and Wildlife Services proposed largest expansion of hunting
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and fish hunting and sport fishing opportunities in agency history,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: alongside National Park Service actions to remove unnecessary hunting related
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: restrictions across National Park System units where hunting is authorized
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: by law. That's an important thing. Where authorized by law. Now,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: But just just this is coming from me, not the DOI.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Before anyone gets excited here, we're gonna be throwing around
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: National Park System units. But just trust me, we're not
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: talking about hunting a Yellowstone or Yosemite or whatever. Not,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: not these big marquee national parks.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: This isn't national park derangement syndrome.
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, these National Park System units. Okay, So we're
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: not talking about No one's hunting Yellowstone, no one's hunting Yosemite.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: So put that out of your mind. All right back
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: to the DOI together. These actions reflect the Department's commitment
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: to expand responsible access to America's public lands while maintaining
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: strong conservation stewardship, and aligning federal management with state wildlife
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: frameworks where appropriate. Okay, there's a quote from Secretary of
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the Interior Doug Bergham. He says, America's public lands belong
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: to the American people, and they should be able to
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: access them without unnecessary bureaucracy standing in the way. We
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: are he goes Burgham goes on, we are expanding opportunities
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: for hunters and anglers, reducing duplicative restrictions, and making federal
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: land management more practical, consistent, and acceptable. Okay, And they
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: go on to say, here, you're going to throw some
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: numbers your way. They're proposing to open or expand. Now
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: you got Here's all this stuff is where the words
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: start to matter. And this is good. I'm not saying
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: this is good news, but let's just look at it
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: in a measured way. Open or expand more than one
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty hunting and sport fishing opportunities across
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven stations in thirty two states. Okay,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: sounds huge, It's good. It's good. First off, let's define opportunity.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: When they say open up an opportunity, what they mean
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: is open up an opportunity for a specific species on
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: a specific unit. Okay, so there could be a place
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: where for whatever reason, and this this is a be
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: a totally normal example of something that there's a refuge
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: where you're allowed to hunt. You're allowed to hunt big game,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: you're allowed to hunt waterfowl, you're allowed to hunt upland birds. Well,
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: drop that one because of the example I'm gonna use,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I'm making my own think confusing. You're allowed to hunt
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: wild pigs, you're allowed to hunt deer, you're allowed to
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: hunt waterfowl. But for some reason it was the alligator hunting.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: But all of the surrounding areas are open for alligators
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: the state, like, the state allows alligator hunting and all
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: the surrounding areas, but for whatever reason, the refuge was closed.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: If you then make it that you can hunt alligators
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: at a specific time of year in a place where
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you couldn't before, that is counted as an opportunity.
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: And let's say there was ten thousand acres on that refuge,
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: that adds ten thousand acres of opportunity to hunt for alligators.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And likewise, let's say there's a ten thousand acre
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: refuge and historically you could hunt alligators on nine thousand
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: acres and they open up the remaining one thousand for alligator.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: That would be binge an opportunity. They don't split hairs
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: on fish, okay, So fish is like fishing on fishing
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: off like meaning if you could fish bass and all
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: of a sudden they're like, hey, now you can fish crappie.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: They're not calling that an opportunity, so they're not trying
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: to inflate the numbers by doing weird little things. They
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: treat a fishing opportunity as fishing, right, but they would
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: look at if you open up big game hunting where
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: it wasn't previously done, that might create multiple opportunities.
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: Or they might even do it where it's like you
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: could hunt grouse and you could hunt some other upland bird,
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: but you couldn't hunt pheasant, and now they're allowing you
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: to hunt pheasant there. So now that whole ten thousand
• 59:22
  Speaker 6: acres where people are already hunting grouse and other upland birds,
• 59:26
  Speaker 6: when they add pheasant, that's ten thousand acres out ten
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: thousand acres.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: Another example, I think it's not specifically go.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Ahead, I got a million, I got millions, But.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: Like I used to run into this in Nebraska, where
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: you would go to a National Wildlife refuge to hunt deer.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: When you get there, it says non toxic ammunition only.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Dude, I got a whole segment on this.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, then.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you though, and you got excited.
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: This is all good stuff, but it's you wants.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: As much as I hate to use the word, it's
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: good news.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: It's good news, but it's not as good a news
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: as some people want it to be. Some people want
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: it to be bad news. So some people, yeah, okay,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: this is new though, this is this is the new part.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. Okay. The Department of Interiors new perspective is this,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: when it comes to lands under their management, consider it
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: open unless otherwise used to be historically was considerate closed
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: unless otherwise. So they're they're they're flipping the sort of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: philosophical angle at which they look at these not hey
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: convince me that it should be open for alligators. It's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you'll have to convince me that it shouldn't be open
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: for alligators. It's just flipping how they look at it.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: That's big, right, here's an overstatement. Uh, there's an organization
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: that comes out says that the proposal would make more
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: than ninety No, they're own, sorry not, this is not
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: an organization. The proposal itself, The Department of Interior itself
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: says the proposal would make more than ninety two million acres,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: or more than ninety five percent of National Wildlife Refuge
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: System lands available for hunting. It's important to point out
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: that it would be that around ninety one point six
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: million r already. Yeah, so but you look at that,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, my god, where are they finding ninety
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: two million acres of land open up? What they're saying
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: is with these additions, the number jumps to ninety two
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: million from somewhere around ninety one point something million. Yeah,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: but it's a.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: Little it's it's all in the presentation.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: It's a little misleading. Um, I'd have to check where
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: this came from. SEI was feeling that it was going
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: to open around two million acres of new open or
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: expanded lands now expanded or opened for hunting. I think
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: that the other organizations have looked at that, and I
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: think it's probably about a few hundred thousand acres, not
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: two million, but a few hundred thousand, which is a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: ton that these expansions and openings will affect and create
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: opportunities on a few hundred thousand acres.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and getting rid of the kind of like red
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: tape or like confusion around regulations is huge too.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the New York Times. And I'm a New
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: York Times subscriber and reader. I get a lot of
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: great news from New York Times. I read a lot
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: of different things. I intentionally guard myself against bias by reading.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I recognize that all things have a bias. So I
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: just read things that I recognize the bias on one side,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: and I read things where I can recognize the bias
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: on the other side. And I don't pretend that there's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: a flat line of no bias this. There's no bias
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: on this show. No, this is the only non biased
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: news source out there, the New Show. But the New
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: York Times, they looked at this and they tried to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: find the weirdest things, the most alarming things they could find.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: So they do nothing to point out like all the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: you know, common sense. Yeah, like the fact that there
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: used to be places where you could hunt invasive hogs
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: all around an area, but you couldn't hunt them on
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the refuge, even though, like, why would you not be
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: able to hunt the invasive hogs on the refuge? Trying
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the hogs? Anyways, instead of pointing
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: out those things, they point out like that there's a
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: new rule that would make it that you can clean that.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: They're like, good, Lord, according to this, you'd be able
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to clean fish in the bathroom. This is in the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: New York Times. We're still trying to figure out what
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: this is tom about. But it would open up the
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: cleaning of I think that that sounds like good news,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: but they found it to be very alarming. This this
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: idea is somewhere. Was it in Louisiana?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: I forget it, but it's like one specific refuge. Those
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: restrooms are now open.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: They're not closed for fish cleaning. And I'm like, if
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: you know what's going on with this, please write in there.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: There is obviously more to the story here, but the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: New York Times has read it to be that now
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: they could clean fish in the bathroom. You know, there's
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: some story here that I don't know.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: If I walked into a bathroom, somebody was in there
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: cleaning fish, I'd be like, huh, And then I'd go
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: into the bathroom.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, take a leap. I'd be like, what'd you guys catch?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And if it was little kids, if feels kids, yeah,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I would go boys. Make sure you clean that up. Yeah,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: because you're gonna get someone all pissed off. Just make
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: sure you clean nice fish, nice fish. Yeah, just clean that.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: The Lake Meredith National Recreationary in Texas specifically you can
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: clean fish and game in the bathroom.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: There's more to the story. So if someone down there
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: can write it, tell me why this is the thing.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: Please let me know in every article about this. I'm
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: all for you clean fish in the bathroom, scaling them
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: on the toilet seat. I'm joking, but there's gotta be
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: more to the story. New York Times also pointed out
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: that there's like a place in Colorado where you can
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: now shoot from or across trails, without mentioning that you
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: can always shoot from or across trails on all national
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: forest land in wilderness areas. Like if you're walking down
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: a footpath and you see a deer, you don't have
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: to step across the footpath. It's not unusual. And again
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know the specifics of the area, but that
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: in and of itself is not unusual because on any
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: national forest land, when you're out there, you're there's designated
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: marked trails. There is never rules about shooting from trails roads.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, but that's just like I just see that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: as like a typical example of a disconnect from a
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: New York Times writer with.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Someone saying, yeah, I wish I was pointing out to
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: someone today. I wish uh Jim Robbins has written the article.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, because it's meant to be, people are meant
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: to read it and go like, good lord, yeah, the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: world's coming to an end, and it might not. Okay,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: now we've shot down. Okay, we've talked about extremes on
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: both sides. There's the there's the extreme. The good lord,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: they're gonna there's gonna be hillbillies cleaning fish and bathrooms
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: and and there's gonna be people shooting from trails. That's terrible.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Two people kind of like a little bit overstating the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: benefits here, and the benefits are many, Like, let me
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: give you an example. There is a four thousand, three
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: hundred acre complex of uh prairie and wetland in central Montana, Okay.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: It used to be called the Half Breed nw R
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: is now Grass Lake National Wildlife Refuge. All right, it
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: was previously close. So four thousand, three hundred acres flat out,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: four thousand, three hundred acres was previously close to all hunting,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: not no more. So that is a straightforward opening of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: hunting opportunities on four thousand, three hundred acres like like
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: like from off to on.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And that's the problem.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: With the name, like the name National Wildlife Refuge, because
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 7: a lot of people hear that name and they're like,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: how could you ever allow hunting on a wildlife refuge?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It's all over the place. Yeah, I know, but it's
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: just like you can hunt, you can hunt virtually all
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: of that.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: A lot of people don't. It's just a problem with
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: that name.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you know.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Uh Neil Smith National Wildlife Refuge. Here's another one six
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: thousand acre property. It was established in nineteen ninety Okay.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: Its purpose is to its purpose is to restore and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: protect tall grass prairie and oak savannah. Okay. Previously so
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's all grass prairie and oak savannah. But
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: for some reason. Previously you could not hunt waterfowler, upland birds,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: but you could hunt some big game. You can now
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: hunt birds and waterfowl on six thousand acres that you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: previously could not. So that's just flat out that's good stuff. Okay.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: It creates first ever hunting or sport fishing opportunities at
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: fourteen refuges and three fish hatcheries. Another thing it does
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: is it sometimes you'll have regulatory rules. Here's Brody's lead thing.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I think I'm on the lead thing now. Sometimes you'll
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: have regulatory rules that apply in all the surrounding lands,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: but they'll be a little bit different on the refuge
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: and it can create confusion. So where they can where possible,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: they're taking away refuges having seemingly are arbortrariya restrictions that
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: sit alongside the regular state restrictions that that govern all
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: the surrounding lands. For instance, there's a there's a location
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: where there's a refuge location where for some reason sunday
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: hunting was prohibited and it didn't conform to the surrounding lands. Okay,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that would be a thing this could take care of.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: You have hogs, which are an invasive, exotic deleterious species.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: You have New Trio, which are an invasive, exotic deletarious species.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: There's some refuges where you used to be able to
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: hunt them part of the year, you'd now be able
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: to hunt them year round. Okay. At Padre Island you'll
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: see an expansion of hog hunting opportunities. For some reason,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: there was a refuge where you weren't allowed to hunt
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: from tree stands, but the surrounding lands you were allowed
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: to hunt from tree stands. That tree stand ban would
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: be lifted. Also, taking a look at areas where refuges
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: have different rules about lead, shot shells and fishing tackle. Okay,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: So they're looking at and all this stuff is open
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: to public comment. The public comment period runs through June
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: twenty six.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: I believe.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: Let me make sure that's right June twenty six. Public
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: comment period ends June twenty six, So you can go
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: chime in about all this. Right, But there's some refuge
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: lands where they have banned lead fishing tackle. I understand,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: a waterfowl refuge land. I understand. Well, you can't use
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: lead for right, you can't use lead for waterfowl federally. Okay. Well,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: let's say there's refuge land, waterfowl refuge land where you
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: can hunt pheasants, and you're allowed to hunt peasants will lead,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: And the refuge would say, because it's the waterfowl refuge area,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: we want you use a non toxic shop pheasants. The
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: conversations such as that, I'm totally open to. But the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: lead thing is even moved over to fishing tackle, which
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of. Banning leadhead jigs, banning lead sinkers. I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: have a hard time accepting that you would ever accumulate
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: any kind of meaningful quantity of leadhead jigs and lead sinkers.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: It's tough for me to accept lead shot. I get it,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I get it, get it, get it. Lead fishing tackle
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: seems a little extreme anyways. Revisiting lead restrictions in Indiana
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: and on refuge land in Indiana, revisiting lead restrictions in Maryland,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: revisiting lead restrictions in Virginia, Pennsylvania, Maine, Okay, in other places.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: So big news, biggish news, huge news, huge news. If
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: you live next to one of these places, it might
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: be somewhere out there is some lucky fellaw, some lucky
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: person who all of a sudden realizes that all of
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: a sudden, now they have, you know, next door down
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the road, hours drive away, four thousand acres of new
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: waterfowl hunting opportunity opened up. If so, congratulations with all that.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: The final caveat I want, not a caveat I would
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: like to add, is there will be situations where there
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: will be situations where you're gonna have to have restrictions
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: in order to make the refuge make sense. You know,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: there's a refuge in this state that hosts a you know,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: there's a refuge in this state that hosts tons of
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: my migratory waterfowl. You can't hunt it in the fall.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: You can hunt around it, and it creates phenomenal waterfowl
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: hunting around it. If they were to come in and say, hey,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: you know what, anybody can hunt it anytime, and all
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, guys are zipping around the boats, you're
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna negate the quality, You're gonna negate the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: purpose of that refuge. Right. So, I don't think it
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: should It shouldn't be like all regulations need to go away.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: But when we're talking about the ones that aren't compromising
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the core mission, of the refuge. I agree, let's get
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: rid of the unnecessary regulations. If it winds up being
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: that it's that the restrictions create the core mission of
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: the refuge, like providing a sanctuary for migratory waterfowl, which
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: then drives phenomenal waterfowl hunting opportunities all around the region
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: because you have safe roosting ground. Keep it, don't throw
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: it out. It's like they should be doing wildlife conservation
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: on these lands. But agreed, they shouldn't be doing arbitrary,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: unnecessary restrictions because someone decided twenty years ago that they could.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, good job.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Steve, Thanks many.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: It's a sprawling topic, m hm.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: It is somebody's topics so big you're hesitant to get
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: into them.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: I dug up an old press release for one of
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: these announcements because it's they, you know, like annually they
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: make these, and and this one is formatted in a
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: way it says this rule opens the following refuges to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: hunting for the first time colon, and then it says it,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: and then it's they do it in a much easier
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 6: to understand what it says, expand migratory big game bird hunting.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: And then the next sent and says, this is already
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: open to game bird hunting, migratory game bird hunting.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: You kind of lost me there.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: I think like there's so much information in these announcements.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: The way that it's presented, you have to really dig
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: in to wrap your head around, you know.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: And it makes you almost want to not talk about
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: it because it's so competent.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: I know, it's like, do you even touch it because
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: it's just sprawling.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 7: Just go check the REGs for the National Wildlife Refuge
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: near you.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: Sorry to deflate deflate the strong ending to your segment.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Ye powerful, didn't it? Yeah? And then you kind of
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: chimed in and kind of ruined it.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: I was trying to get the banner going again because
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: I feel like the work.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: Stands stands on its own.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Would you like to tell us about what you're going
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to tell us about?
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: Are we going to do the Texas Mountain Lion?
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Did I skip something? Oh?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Just real quick?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, Uh. We discussed Texas having this outlandish idea
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: that you'd have to report your mountain lion harvest. A
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: lot of people got worked up about that. We talked
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: about people getting worked up about it. I kind of
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: explained my take on it. Well, the proposals is withdrawn.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: If you are a Texan who does not want to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: tell any government official that you got a mountain lion,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: rest easy. You will continue to not tell. You will
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: be able to continue to be able to not see
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: you a little secret. It'll be your little secret because
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: they withdrew the proposal that you should tell.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: All right, on the more federal news here. President Trump
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: signed an executive order on May twenty ninth that rescinded
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: two long standing executive orders which guided federal management of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: off road vehicle or off highway vehicle use on public lands.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: And these are two again he rescinded to pre existing
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: executive orders, one from Nixon one from Carter that were
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: sort of the framework of how the federal government manages
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: vehicle travel.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: Is this correct me if I'm wrong.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: This is tied to when you get to a trailhead
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: and you see those little signs and they'll have like
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: a jet with an X through it, yes, and it'll
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: say or there'll be a horse and that's okay, and
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: a dude and that's okay.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: And yeah, exactly.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: So the first executive order that got rescinded was Nixon,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: and he ordered the heads of public land management agencies
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: to develop regulations and policies to designate where you can
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: use motorized vehicles and where you can't. So he's basically
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: he basically just said you need to plan for this,
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: and it outlined what they should consider when designating motorized
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: routes soil damage, watershed impacts, vegetation, minimize harassment of wildlife,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: and minimize conflicts between different user groups. And part of
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: that order is that in developing these regulations that the public.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: Has to have a say.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: So it's follows like the public public process. The second
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: order that was rescinded came from Carter, and that basically
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: stepped up what Nixon had laid out, and he empowered
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: agencies to issue emergency closures when motorized vehicles are causing
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: damage to a resource, so they don't have to you know,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: that doesn't have to go through a full planning process,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: but when there's considerable adverse effects to the resource, the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: agency's empowered to shut down that motorized route. And it
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 6: also we were just talking about how on refuge lands
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: and respect to hunting and fishing, and they're closed unless
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 6: open and they're moving towards open less closed. That was
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: sort of what Carter put in place with this executive
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: order that routes are closed to motorized traffic unless designated
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: as open.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: So that's out the door.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: The argument behind the executive order rescinding these two prior
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: orders is that it was too vague. These are too vague,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 6: and they put unnecessary restrictions on access to federal lands.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: They want to reduce regulatory burden and increase public access,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: and the administration says that NIPA, which is a National
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: Environmental Protection Act, and the ESA provide sufficient framework for
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: managing motorized vehicle use on public lands. They also make
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: a point here that I thought was interesting. They say
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 6: that restrictions on motorized vehicle use amount to de facto
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: bands on hiking and other forms of recreation that require
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: accessing remote areas, all while doing little to benefit multiple
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: use of public lands. So again, this is one of
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: those one of those things where you have to read
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: past the headlines because there's folks on both sides that
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: are either cheering or or criticizing this. It doesn't open
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: up the floodgates to just drive your vehicle anywhere you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: want on national parkland or national forest land or anything
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: like that. It's kind of hard to predict what the
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: exact results will be. But those executive orders that were
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: rescinded created a framework for rule making, and so do
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 6: doing away with them doesn't get rid of the rules
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: that resulted from that. Yeah, it just means that in
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: future travel management, planning, things of that nature, it's gonna
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: look different, and it's important that people keep a close
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: eye on what's going on there.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: I give that a big old boo. Dude, I don't
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, I always say it, man, I'll think
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: call me crazy. I just don't think we're going to
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: run out of roads. I don't picture of future where
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: people are like, dude, what happened all the roads?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that you can't.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Go nowhere now. It's like what we're going to run
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: out of is places that don't have any roads. That's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: what we'll run out of.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's something like I saw the statistic that they're
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: at the end of World War two there are one
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: hundred thousand miles of road in the National forest system.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: In fifty years that quadrupled, and at this point we
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 6: have ten times as many miles of forest service road
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: as we have in the interstate highway system.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 7: It's it's damn hard to find a place in this country,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 7: like in the lower forty eight where you can walk
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: five miles without hitting the road.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Now real, But people act like it's just like that,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: they're just locked out. It's like, yeah, dude, this world's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: lord damn place you've ever been up in a like, well,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: one you've been out driving around or two should you
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: ever be coming into some airport look out the window.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: I just they're just every where I looked, is the road. Yeah,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: we got one right here up against the office. Yeah.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 6: And it's important that like the travel management planning that
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 6: is meant to mitigate the impact of recreational use of
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 6: these places, like that doesn't affect the agencies can still
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: use those closed roads for fire suppression and all that stuff.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: The minute I saw this headline without even you know,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: I understand it better now. The minute I saw the headline,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: my initial feeling was that ain't good. Yeah, because I know,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: like I know, the secret conversations happened. Do you remember
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: years ago, years ago, we interviewed Rob Bishop, Congressman Rob
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Bishop from Utah and it was. It was not right
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: when but the word access was becoming a real buzzword.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: You know, it had always been, but people were really
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: narrowing in on access, access, access. And when people in
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: my circle are saying access, we were talking about being
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: allowed right opening up new lands where you'd be allowed
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: to hunt fish, or maintaining or maintaining access to public lands,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: and that if people wanted to sell public lands, that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: would reduce access. So we were like, oh, I'm pro access,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: meaning I'm pro having these places where we can go.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: He those This must been seven eight years ago. He
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: was shrewd enough to say, oh, I'm pro access. We
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: need more roads. And I was like, oh yeah, it's
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I mean that kind of accent.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: People who are kind of anti wilderness area like that
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 7: ain't the kind of access they want, right.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: They'll talk about there needs to be access to that
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: and you're like, well, hey, i'm pro access. Tell me more.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: And it's like, well, what I'm talking about is roads. Yeah,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: we need roads.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 7: And like Randall, in your research you may have come
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 7: across I don't know, but like the kind of back
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 7: room conversations like is this.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: Setting up?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Like is.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: It setting up opening everything up to roads for development
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 7: of one form or another.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: No, And I didn't, you know, I saw suggestions not
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: only in response to this immediate news, but I saw
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: reports from a few months prior that suggested the administration
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: is looking at overhauling or doing away with travel Management Plan.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 6: I looked as best I could for any sort of
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: official communication of that, and I didn't see any but
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: taking in hand with the roadless rule recision.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: And I was just going to bring that up. There's
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: no question what they're gunning for here. I mean, they
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: want to repeal the roadless Rule.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: And so I think, like my takeaway from this was
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: it's not the end of the story, right, There's a
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 6: next move because what this does isn't necessarily clear in
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: terms of on the ground impacts. But I did talk
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 6: to cal and he said, you know, no mistake about it.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: This is a serious thing that happened. And he says,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: you know, whenever you talk about access, it's always a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: trade off between impact on the resource and access, you know,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: no matter if you're talking about a hiker, a biker,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 6: a side by side, whatever else. Like when you talk
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: about putting more people on the ground in more places,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: it always is going to have an impact on the resource.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: So it's not like a conversation you can have in
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: absence of the other conversation.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I want to do a terrible analogy on some of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: these things. We brought it up when we were talking
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: about the M forty four devices, where let's say you
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: tell your kids, don't even ask me if you can
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: go spend the n at your friend's house. I'm not
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: open to even there's a prohibition on you even asking, right,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: And then one day you say I'm open to you asking.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: They might be like sweet, yeah, but I still have
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to say yes or no. So some of these things
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, like on the M forty four thing,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: it was don't ask, don't even ask. Now it's like, okay,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: we're open to you asking, yeah, right, but you still
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: know how the decisions are going to end up being made.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: So some of these pieces like this say like, okay,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: we're removing the absolute ban, but it's still case by case. Right.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: How bad was that analogy?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 6: Like on a one to ten, No, I think it's
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's fair because this is
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: something that signals future action. Yeah, and and you can
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: guess what that future action is and from where I'm sitting,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 6: it's not good.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like my kids, if I said, okay, I'm open
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: to the question, Yeah, that's good news for them. If
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: you're a dude who likes the hot dog around in
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  Speaker 1: the woods, yeah, off trail or whatever around like seldom
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  Speaker 1: use trails and like to burn it up, you could
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  Speaker 1: probably read just as good news. But it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't immediately mean anything to you yet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like, I wouldn't take my dirt bike and
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  Speaker 6: just rip across the Lamar Valley and Yellowstone kicking that
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  Speaker 6: I'm off the hook there. But I read the dude,
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  Speaker 6: I read the coverage in the Times that said he's
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  Speaker 6: opening all public lands to do whatever you want. But
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  Speaker 6: I mean I do, like, you know, it's it's one
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  Speaker 6: of those things.
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  Speaker 5: It's like.
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  Speaker 6: You know that they're not doing this for no reason, right,
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  Speaker 6: Like there's a longer play in mind, and so you
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  Speaker 6: know the groups that the groups that stand up for
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  Speaker 6: roadless areas are they are waving the red flag at
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  Speaker 6: this point.
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  Speaker 1: It's making me nervous.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's making me nervous too.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about those I'm excited about those new fishing
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  Speaker 1: and hunting opportunities on the refuges, and this is making
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  Speaker 1: me nervous.
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  Speaker 2: You'll be able to drive right to those new opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's making me hungry. These new lake trout records.
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  Speaker 2: These these don't get eaten.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so out of Minnesota lakes up here, this is
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  Speaker 7: gonna be a record fish thing that's about real fish, unlike.
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  Speaker 1: Spence, unlike Spencer's bullshit reporting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So it's Virginia.
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  Speaker 1: I love you, Phil.
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  Speaker 2: Can you pull up the number one photo?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, my.
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  Speaker 2: That gentleman's name is May Joe Buddha.
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  Speaker 1: Go help Star Wars character. What's his name?
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  Speaker 2: May hyphen Joe Buddha.
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  Speaker 1: Bo u t a Jedi night.
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  Speaker 8: On Maying Joba would say Majo on lake trout.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Maynight's lake superior this year.
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  Speaker 1: Holy cow.
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  Speaker 7: Look at that fish, forty five and a half inches long. Now,
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  Speaker 7: that fish was landed vertical jigging and approximately one hundred
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  Speaker 7: feet of water on the are you series fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 7: to bring it to the net, and it's certified as
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  Speaker 7: the most recent Minnesota catch and release UH lake trout record.
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  Speaker 7: Look at that estimated to be a largest fish man
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  Speaker 7: estimated to be about thirty pounds.
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  Speaker 1: I hate to do this.
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  Speaker 6: I hate to do this, then, don't I wanted to
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  Speaker 6: find the spelling of Majo Buddha. Yeah, you might have
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  Speaker 6: had a transposition er where you deleted that it was
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  Speaker 6: caught on May ninth, and you deleted a nine in
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  Speaker 6: a comma before.
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  Speaker 1: It's a Joe.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he's known as may Jo Buddha now because he
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  Speaker 7: catches records in May.
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  Speaker 2: That is what happened. I like October. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 7: Now you should be thinking, Wow, that's a great fish, right, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's star wars he but still fish.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, what a beautiful fish.
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  Speaker 5: What a beautiful fish.
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  Speaker 7: Fish beat a record that was caught a month ago
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  Speaker 7: on Lake Superior that measured forty four inches long.
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  Speaker 1: Pull it up, Phil, not as I mean, it's the
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  Speaker 1: good old days.
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  Speaker 2: Forty four inches long.
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  Speaker 1: That dude was fish on a nice calm day.
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  Speaker 2: Man also caught in Minnesota Lake Superior.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that thing.
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  Speaker 2: That was the catcher release.
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  Speaker 7: State record for like two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 7: Both of those fish were caught. These guys were alliance
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  Speaker 7: of a guide named Ethan whiteashik I hope I'm pronouncing
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  Speaker 7: that right. He's got a business called Lake Superior Jigging
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  Speaker 7: Guide Service.
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  Speaker 1: He gets right to it with that name.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, they're out of Twin Heart, two Harbors, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 7: Whitashik focuses on using electronics to find large lakers and
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  Speaker 7: catches them by vertical jigging with two ounce lead leadhead
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  Speaker 7: jigs with a white tube tipped with smell.
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  Speaker 8: Oh my god, that's so.
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  Speaker 1: You're probably thinking this this this Guyan Whiteashik.
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  Speaker 7: Now listen that it doesn't end there. Last year, Whiteashak
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  Speaker 7: guided Isaiah Bartlett to what was then.
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  Speaker 2: The state record catch and release Lake trau.
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  Speaker 1: My goodness, Isaiah Bartlett, look at the heads on those things.
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  Speaker 1: That is a fish.
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  Speaker 7: And the year before that, why tash It guided Kelsey
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  Speaker 7: vander Hayden to the state record catch and release lake
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  Speaker 7: trout at forty two and a half inch.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that thing.
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  Speaker 5: My goodness.
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  Speaker 7: Now you might be thinking this guy's just catching the
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  Speaker 7: same fish each year, But I don't think that's.
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  Speaker 1: A big body of water. He's got some good electronics.
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  Speaker 2: If he's like this guy knows what he's doing.
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  Speaker 7: Man U the and uh so Minnesota like a lot
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  Speaker 7: of states keeps traditional state records, which are based on weight.
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  Speaker 7: You got to kill the fish and bring it to
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  Speaker 7: a certified scale. These are catching release records, and there's
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  Speaker 7: like a you're seeing this in more and more states
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  Speaker 7: that have this category for anglers that want to let
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  Speaker 7: the fish go.
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  Speaker 1: And what's his company's name?
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  Speaker 2: Again, what's what's that?
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  Speaker 1: What's his company?
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  Speaker 7: It is Lake Superior Jigging Guide service. He's getting he's
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  Speaker 7: gonna get a lot of call.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, those fish man, he's gonna be getting calls because
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: you go off that dude, drop man. You talk about
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  Speaker 1: fun man, it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Practice for halibut fishing.
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  Speaker 7: So for catching release record, you need multiple photographs that
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  Speaker 7: clearly show the fish being measured, a witness who can
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  Speaker 7: sign their name, and the fish has to be at
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  Speaker 7: least one quarter inch longer than the existing record.
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  Speaker 2: So these fish met all those qualities.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to be splitting hairs on it.
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  Speaker 7: No, especially with catch and release stuff, since you can't
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  Speaker 7: you know, you don't have the fish right there. Lake
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  Speaker 7: Superior has like been a traditional uh big giant lake
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  Speaker 7: trout fishery, and this just shows that it's it's still
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 7: going on, which is like a lot different than other
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  Speaker 7: Great lakes that have had trouble with lake trout fisheries.
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  Speaker 7: Lake Erie where I grew up, Like, there's hardly even
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 7: any lake trout left there.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure where.
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  Speaker 1: Lakes they can't. They came back good in Michigan, they
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  Speaker 1: didn't come back.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, But the reason why Lake Superior is so good
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  Speaker 7: for lake trout is extremely cold, deep water with abundant
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  Speaker 7: forge fish such as Cisco's and smelt like. To grow
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  Speaker 7: a lake trout like that takes thirty to forty years.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Man, you put that, you just picture that
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: sucker into smoke or just that dripping off there. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad he threw him back. That's cool.
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  Speaker 7: The one guy he had the record, but only for
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  Speaker 7: a couple of weeks, and now it's it's it's Majo Buddha's.
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  Speaker 1: Record now Majo.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks for pointing that out, Randal, because I did not.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like that's a weird name.
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  Speaker 6: Well, then I want to go back to the guy
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 6: that the West Virginia guy he said bleeding his temper
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  Speaker 6: estate record is forever.
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  Speaker 5: Vertical Chicken Guide service.
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  Speaker 2: I should have had a picture of Ethan, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure you can. You can find a picture of him
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  Speaker 2: the actual guide.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, good news at a good news out out
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  Speaker 7: of the Minnesota side of Lake Superior.
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