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The Latest On NFL Free Agency | Eric Messersmith & Brian Johnson · Kenny Wallace Media

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  All right, Brian, let's turn to the world of sports.
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  NFL free agency is upon us. It officially begins tomorrow,
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  but teams already have been able to negotiate deals with players.
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  Let's start with the quarterback market.
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  Sam Bradford. Sorry, Sam Darnold.
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  Sam Bradford. There's a name from the past.
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  Different Sam who was an UN high drafted was underachiever.
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  Well, Sam Darnold was an underachiever up until this last
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  year. Had a great year with Minnesota.
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  He signs for about $33 million a year, goes to Seattle.
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  And then Justin Fields who played for our favorite team,
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  the Pittsburgh Steelers last year, He goes to The Jets for 20
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  million a year, 2 year deal. And now you have Aaron Rodgers
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  at 41 years old sitting out there.
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  And Adam Schefter reporting today that the Steelers are
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  waiting to hear back from Rodgers on whether he'll sign
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  with them. And Russell Wilson, who was the
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  Steelers starting quarterback most of last year, it remains
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  unsided. Looks like he is the Steelers
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  backup plan. So I know you and I, we're kind
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  of hoping our Steelers would land on some decent outcome at
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  quarterback. How?
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  What do you make of the way the quarterback Domino's have fallen
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  so far? Well, the one that you didn't
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  mention, I think is actually probably the first domino in
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  this entire thing was Geno Smith going to the Las Vegas Raiders.
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  I know maybe you don't get to see Gino play a lot, but if you
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  actually look into the analytics, I it's fairly
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  indisputable Gino Smith is now a top ten quarterback.
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  I mean, if you think about him as Gino Smith, the failed New
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  York Jet, the guy who rode the pine for a while and you just
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  have that view of him, then you really haven't been paying
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  attention because he threw for 4300 yards with a terrible,
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  terrible offensive line in Seattle.
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  Like God awful offensive line. Now, granted, he had three great
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  receivers, so that really helped.
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  But Geno Smith going to Las Vegas is what put Darnold in
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  Seattle. I think Darnold is a downgrade
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  in Seattle, but he's cheaper and Darnold is still now a very good
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  quarterback. And I obviously I, you know, the
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  six degrees of separation, the Kevin Bacon thing there is they
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  were both New York Jet draft picks who were terrible that
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  have resurrected their career. And I mean, good for those guys
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  cuz that like that does happen sometimes where, you know, a guy
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  gets drafted high, it doesn't work out.
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  They latch on later on and you know, they're like a Baker
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  Mayfield type who has been rejuvenated in Tampa Bay.
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  So I like Gino for the Raiders, getting a veteran quarterback,
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  having Pete Carroll, you know, they're a potential playoff team
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  with that signing. Does Darnold going to Seattle
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  make them a playoff contender? I don't think so because I think
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  they're in the toughest division in the NFL overall, because the
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  Cardinals are good. The 49ers are going to be good
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  again. They were decimated by injuries
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  last year and I and obviously the Rams are in that division
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  and it we're going to see what happens with Matthew Stafford.
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  I'm I, I, I think he's probably going to end up staying in LA,
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  but we'll, we'll appear. So it appears we'll see what
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  happens there. So let me get to the one that
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  I'm disappointed by. Is Justin Fields not being a
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  Pittsburgh Steeler anymore. I think Justin Fields has a high
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  ceiling. Could it all like could it all
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  not work out? I, I don't know, but he, he was
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  playing great as a starter until Russell W Russell Wilson healed
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  up five touchdowns, one pick, good completion percentage.
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  Granted, it wasn't complicated what they were doing, but he ran
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  a ton. I think it's a great signing by
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  the New York Jets at an incredible value.
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  They're not committed long term. So if it doesn't work out, fine.
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  If he turns into the gem that I think he's going to be, then The
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  Jets good for that man. I think they got the steal of
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  this QB market so far. I think I agree with you.
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  There weren't any great options, which is why they were free
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  agents. I mean if you look at, if you go
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  back and look at free agent quarterback signings over the
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  last 10 or 15 years, very rarely do you get a long term franchise
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  quarterback. Out of free agency?
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  No. Because the long term franchise
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  quarterbacks don't make it to free agents.
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  No. Why would that?
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  But if you're going to gamble on one, which is these guys are all
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  gambles, why not gamble on the guy who is still in his athletic
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  prime, who can run like the wind, is incredibly comfortable
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  scrambling and has that upside and potential and has shown it
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  in flashes? It's like he's never shown you
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  anything. No, he played good in Chicago
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  too, I mean. He's the guy.
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  I I I am so disappointed that the Steelers let him get away
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  and instead it looks like they're going to be stuck with
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  either Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson.
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  I don't like either one of those options.
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  I don't like either. I'd rather have Wilson, and the
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  reason is because Wilson's five years younger and in many.
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  He's not coming off, he's surgery.
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  Well, that too. And also in most statistical
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  categories. Most, not all, he was actually
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  better than Rodgers last year. Remember, Rodgers will turn 42
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  this December and I looked at his stats the last two full
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  years he's played. So not counting 23 where he tore
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  his Achilles in game one. If you look at last year when he
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  played seventeen games, and then his final year in Green Bay,
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  2022, when he played seventeen games.
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  Big sample size, right? His quarterback, his QBRS, those
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  two years, 41.3 and 48, those are the worst QB Rs that he has
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  had in his entire career since he became a full time starter.
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  He is play. Aaron Rodgers wasn't one time
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  obviously one of the top quarterbacks ever played the
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  game. Maybe the best ever.
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  He's great. He is so far removed from that
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  guy now you are getting the scraps of that guy.
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  Give me he can't move at all. He got sacked all the time last
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  year in New York. Give me Russell Wilson, because
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  at least Wilson is still, despite the fact that he's not
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  what he once was either, he is still excellent at one thing,
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  and that is the deep ball. Bill Barnwell pointed this out
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  in his article the other day when the after the DK Metcalf
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  signing Russell Wilson. Despite whatever flaws, whatever
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  other deterioration has happened in his game, and if you're a
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  Steeler fan or a Bronco fan, you know that he has some
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  weaknesses. He is outstanding at throwing
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  the deep ball he's been his entire career.
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  He remains so now, and the Steelers just so happened to
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  have. Pickens and Metcalf.
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  On one side who runs a 4/3 and is a beast and George Pickens on
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  the other side if they don't trade him, who also runs like a
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  4/3 and is a beast. And if those two guys are
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  healthy and their heads are screwed on straight?
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  That's a big F. For Pickens, was a big F with
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  Pickens that is potentially dynamic if you have a
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  quarterback who's as Wilson is good, really good at the deep
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  ball. And I.
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  I am hoping. I am hoping Rogers says no.
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  I think if Rogers comes, the Steelers will finish.
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  Eight and seven. Nine in the first round of the
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  five. No, they will not have a losing
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  record. Tomlin will not allow it.
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  Tomlin will not allow it. And then you know what?
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  Rogers will be gone, and we'll be right.
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  Back here Square. One now with not a good draft
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  pick, not a pick good enough to get a franchise QB sorting
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  through the scrap heap again. So I really, really think we
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  missed. We made a, we made a mistake.
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  I'm not saying it's a huge mistake, but we made a mistake
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  not resigning Fields. I just hope Aaron Rodgers says
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  no or the Steelers have a change of heart and they get Russell
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  Wilson. Give me Russell Wilson for the
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  next couple years. I would much rather have that
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  stability as I look for my long term answer than a one year deal
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  with a 42 year, soon to be 42 year old Aaron Rodgers.
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  So I just want to be clear that the reason I don't want Aaron
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  Rodgers has nothing to do with anything other than his play on
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  the field. Like you and I have talked about
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  this on the show before and you know this, I I could care less
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  if he believes in Buddha or whatever.
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  Dude, do your thing. Take your mushrooms.
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  What about your stance on the COVID vaccine is?
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  Right, I could care less. It doesn't mean anything to me.
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  I just want to see laser beams being fired on the field.
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  The reason I don't want Aaron Rodgers Steeler fan is twofold.
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  One has been his recent play on the field.
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  But the biggest 1 is this is where the spoiled Steeler fan
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  rears its ugly, ugly head. I am so used to us drafting
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  players, developing them, they become stars and that's that's
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  the cornerstone of this franchise.
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  Whether it was Rod Woodson back in the day or Ben Roethlisberger
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  or on and on and on. Heinz Ward, you know a middle
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  round pick from Georgia becomes a Super Bowl MVP.
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  US. Well, I told you last week,
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  trading for DK met. No, we talked about this on the
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  phone. Trading for DK Metcalf was so
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  weird to us because you mentioned Minka Fitzpatrick, but
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  before Minka Fitzpatrick, the largest transaction they made
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  was for Jerome Bettis, who is older than both of us.
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  I mean, so it's been a long time since we did that and I liked
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  it. I do like that move.
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  But at the quarterback position, I I understand putting a
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  placeholder in there for a year, but we have to draft someone
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  young and develop them. We we just have to.
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  I know it didn't work out with Kenny Pickett.
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  I wished it would have. This is why I don't run football
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  teams, because I would have stuck with Kenny Pickett because
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  I drafted him high. I believe in him.
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  I think he could be a good quarterback.
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  I I like to dance with the devil I know, Eric.
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  You know, if I got a guy in the building and he's talented, I'm
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  gonna try and work that. But people are so impatient.
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  The problem with Pickett is he didn't, he hadn't.
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  He had a a solid rookie considering the line issues and
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  showed a lot of poise, won some close games late, had several
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  game-winning drives. Overall numbers weren't great.
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  But then he didn't he he arguably regressed in year 2
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  and, and, and by the way, the Steelers didn't kick him to the
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  curb. What the Steelers did is they
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  said, look, we have an opportunity to essentially get
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  Russell Wilson for free because Denver was paying.
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  Yeah, like 30 million of the dollars.
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  So essentially was essentially the Steelers got a guy who was a
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  Super Bowl winning QB still in his mid 30s for the league
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  minimum and and what they said is we're going to bring him in
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  and you'll compete and pick it according to reports, basically
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  said fuck it, I'm out. And they and so then that is
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  when they pivoted straight the Philly and brought in fields.
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  So I just want to set the record straight there, No?
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  You did. I appreciate that.
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  But I think the problem for the Steelers is they have not done a
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  good job with first round draft picks for a long period of time.
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  So between 20 that I saw this the other day, it reminded me of
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  how bad it was. Because this is kind of to your
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  point, not not just quarterback, but any first round, you have to
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  hit on your first round pick. Like you can miss on 1/4 or 1/5,
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  but you've got to hit on most of your firsts.
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  The Steelers from 2018 to 2022. These were their first round
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  picks. Terrell Edmonds, who was a
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  starter for a while, didn't make it more than four or five years.
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  No longer with the team. Devin Bush, briefly a starter,
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  never had a second contract. No longer with the team.
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  Najee Harris, 4000 yard seasons, but at 3.9 yards of carry,
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  didn't make it to a second contract.
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  Signed the other day with the Rams and Kenny Pickett.
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  Those were four. Now one year, the only one they
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  kind of hit on was actually a pick they didn't actually make.
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  It was when they traded a first round draft pick for Minka
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  Fitzpatrick. It was a Pro Bowl caliber
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  safety. Well, I think that Jilly Porter
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  junior too. Right, but that wasn't but that
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  that. Was in that time frame, yeah.
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  Right. So in that time frame, they
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  missed on these guys. Now, since then we'll see.
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  Joey Porter, junior looks like a stud, a corner.
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  Roderick Jones I think will be very good.
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  The guy, the tackle they picked last year, I think will also be
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  very good. So they're they're getting
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  better. But the point is you're right
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  when you're in the no man's land as Steelers, we were so spoiled.
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  We talked you and I have talked about this before on the show
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  Ben Roethlisberger, spoiled Steeler fan so.
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  Badly when you. When you have that question
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  answered, yes of who your guy is, it's such a luxury in this
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  league and now that you haven't had it, you see how hard it is.
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  Oh yeah. The only way to avoid it being
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  hard is to bottom out and be awful and get a high draft pick
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  on a can't miss quarterback, and even that's not a guarantee.
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  No, you could be The Jets. Right.
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  Sometimes they met Zach Wilson. There's so many examples, Sam
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  Brad for Justin Field. But the point is that gives you
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  a better chance. But in order to do that, you
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  have to stink for probably sometimes for multiple years.
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  And the Steelers just don't do that and I'm glad they don't do
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  that. So what you have to do is I
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  think exactly what they've done. Play the market as best you can
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  and wait and hope that I got because remember Patrick, look
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  at the quarterbacks around the league that are elite players
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  that were not high draft picks. And by high I mean top 10,
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  Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, you can go down
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  bow necks, you can go down the list.
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  There are so many guys who are high quality quarterbacks who
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  were not drafted in the top. Well, I think Mahomes was like
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  10 exactly, wasn't he? Well, I thought.
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  He and the Chiefs traded up to get him.
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  I thought he was in the teens or 20s.
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  Maybe I'm wrong on that. Russell Wilson, there's a lot of
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  them. Aaron Rodgers, Rodgers went late
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  first round, didn't he? So my point is you can get that
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  guy and you hope have. To Rodgers went late first
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  round, that's like. You have to hope that you can,
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  that you can get that or the other option is you package a
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  bunch of assets for a trade. The problem with the trade is
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  teams don't trade the guy. They just pay him 50 million.
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  They just don't do it. Why do I know that Patrick
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  Mahomes was the 10th pick? I mean, what a waste of brain
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  space I have. Was he the I confirmed it and
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  I'm mad at myself that I got that.
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  Right. OK, so I.
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  Just. Why do I?
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  So I'll take Mahomes out of there 'cause I said top ten and
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  technically he was top ten, but look at all the other guys that
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  I mentioned that were not top 10.
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  So you can do it, but it's harder and, and, and then, but
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  you just have to wait and you have to hope and you have to
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  make the, the other thing you have to do too, is you have to
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  make the other roster, the rest of the roster as good as
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  possible, which is why, again, I was hoping they signed Fields
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  because Fields at 20 million is less than half what a top tier
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  quarterback makes right now on a yearly basis.
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  The Top Gun guys are making 5055 million a year.
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  Fields making 20 gives you a lot of flexibility if you got to, I
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  don't even like what's Rodgers going to get?
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  Are they going to pay? They're going to end up paying
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  Aaron Rodgers like 35,000,000, aren't they?
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  Aren't they Brian though? Is that what they're going to
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  do? Are they going to pay Aaron
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  Rodgers at 41 years old, 30 or 30?
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  I hope not. And I'm going to jump out of a
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  window of a tall. Building like they'll probably
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  be good. They'll probably be 14 and 3.
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  And I'll come back here and hear from that.
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  I'll be like that was. A bit.
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  Yeah, exactly. I said it all along.
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  Right. Don't believe?
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  The age Aaron Rodgers is the guy.
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  Make it happen. I do want to say real quick,
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  because I'm going through the list of all the NFL teams, it's
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  remarkable how many quarterbacks were at the very top of the
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  draft. I mean, you got the the little
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  person out there in Arizona running around.
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  He was, I believe he was the number one pick.
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  Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, CJ Stroud in Houston, Mahomes,
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  Stafford I think was the number one overall pick.
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  Pennock in Atlanta, Carolina, the guy was the number one pick.
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  Deshaun Watson, I think he was just the middle of the first
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  round, so maybe that's one. In Cleveland, Goff was the
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  number one overall pick. Indianapolis had a top right
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  pick. Gino was a top five pick to I
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  mean, yeah, I mean there. Are Herbert?
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  Herbert was top 10. Herbert was to Trevor Lawrence
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  the only one in Dallas. God, why you?
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  Don't remember his? Name he was not.
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  Yeah, Dak was. He was the first round pick, but
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  he wasn't in the top. But my point being is, is 75% of
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  the league quarterbacks are like top five.
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  Picks let me counter. Let me counter cause here are
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  the top quarterbacks and quarterback rating that had that
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  had a decent number of attempts. Lamar Jackson not a top ten
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  pick. Jared Goff was so that's one.
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  One Burrough was so that's 21 Was Baker Mayfield.
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  Was he talking? About He was the number one
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  overall pick he. Was number 131.
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  Hertz wasn't. So that's three two Darnold was.
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  Yes. Herbert was.
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  Yes. Josh Allen was, so that's six to
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  two. Was two.
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  Yeah, 2 was the number five pick. #5 so that's seven to two.
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  Derek Carr, that's been a one. No, he was.
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  He was a second round pick, so that's seven to three.
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  Daniels, he was obviously 8 to 3.
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  Jordan Love was not 8 to 4. Brock Purdy was not. 8:00 to
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  5:00. Russell Wilson was not 8:00 to
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  6:00. So if you just they're out of
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  the Top 14, you had eight that were top ten, six that were.
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  Rating is a terrible measure old man, but I get what you're doing
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  you. Yes, most of those.
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  Guys, I mentioned. Most of those guys I mentioned
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  are among the best quarterbacks in the league or or should I say
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  at least had the best years last year.
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  Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's pretty
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  clear. All right, one other I said,
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  see, the Steelers did sign somebody just as we were
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  talking. No, nobody big.
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  It was a running back 'cause they lost Naji.
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  Kenneth Gainwell, Remember him? It's a great name for a running
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  back. Yeah, played.
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  For Eagles, yeah. Yeah, Billy's lost a ton of
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  guys. Did you see the list of the
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  guys? I mean, like, I get it.
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  This happens. To Super Bowl teams Every Super
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  Bowl team, the. List of the guys that Philly
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  either traded or lost is astounding.
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  Joey Bosa to the Bills, One year, 12.6 million.
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  He's hurt all the time. He is, but that's a nice signing
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  to that getting. A boast of brother for half a
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  season for 12.6. The the, the last thing I wanted
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  to talk to you as it relates to free agency was a non free
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  agent, but it was within the Steelers division with the
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  Cleveland Browns and that was Miles Garrett getting an
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  extension for three years and $120 million.
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  Yes, I saw it. I.
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  Wanted to talk about that specifically because you're
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  mentioning all the guys that are leaving the Eagles.
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  Miles Garrett is still a Cleveland Brown today because of
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  money, and everyone is delusional if they think these
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  guys simply aren't going places because of money.
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  That is all that matters at the end of the day.
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  Of course the Eagles are bleeding players.
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  Maybe they wanted to stay in Philly.
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  But that's the problem with the salary cap sport.
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  You can't do it. There's only so much money to go
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  around the talent pool. It is what it is.
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  I can't. Who wants to live in Cleveland?
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  I don't. But for 40 million a year, I'll
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  move to Cleveland. Right.
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  Like if you're very wealthy. Geography doesn't mean the same
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  thing as it means to most people.
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  Like if you have a private plane and you have, you know, a
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  season, it's only four months long where you work and then you
• 20:11
  can fly anywhere you want and you have houses all over the
• 20:13
  place. It's not like our geography like
• 20:15
  we're most of us are stuck where we live 50 weeks a year unless
• 20:19
  we take vacation. I think that I watched Hard
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  Knocks in season. Did you watch it?
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  I did with the NFC North, AFC North.
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  It was so good and it it featured the all the teams in
• 20:28
  the North and Miles Garrett, as you can imagine, got a lot of
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  FaceTime and he you know, as often happens with players
• 20:35
  featured and that show that he came off very well and he came
• 20:39
  up as a guy who just wants to win.
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  And obviously he is one of the greatest pass rushers of all
• 20:45
  time. He is he may go down as the best
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  all time. He's the no one has ever had 100
• 20:49
  sacks he before they turn 29. He's the first player to ever do
• 20:53
  that 100 sacks before age 29. And so it's been he's been
• 20:57
  incredible. But I thought he talked a lot
• 21:01
  about in that at at at the end of Hard Knocks, how he he wanted
• 21:05
  to win, but he really wanted to be in Cleveland.
• 21:07
  The thing that leads creams to your point, though, is after the
• 21:11
  season ended, he put out a statement that said after giving
• 21:15
  it thought, I don't want to just go from Cleveland to Canton.
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  I want to win. I want to be traded.
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  And the Browns, to their credit, said you have two years left on
• 21:25
  your contract. We're not trading like no, we're
• 21:28
  not mad, no hard feelings. We're not going to shit on you,
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  but we're not trading, which I thought was was great.
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  That's how they should have played it.
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  And I, I was wondering how is this going to shake out and how
• 21:37
  it shook out is a record for three years.
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  So I, I you're right, Garrett said I want out.
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  I want to be traded. Maybe they convinced him because
• 21:49
  they do have what, the number two overall pick and now Brian,
• 21:52
  they have Kenny Pickett. Oh.
• 21:54
  God, maybe what? Happened is Kenny Pickett signs
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  and Garrett says you know what what we've turned it around now
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  we have our God I. Really wish they would have
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  signed Mason Rudolph in Cleveland.
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  That's what I wish would have happened.
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  Why is that? Because that's who Miles Garrett
• 22:12
  flung a helmet. That's right, yes, I forgot.
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  Allegedly Mason Rudolph called him the N word, but there was no
• 22:18
  guaranteeation of that. Rudolph denied it.
• 22:21
  Everyone deny it. I had forgotten about that.