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Football At Four: Updating Eagles' Jalen Carter Situation and More · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And then oh, by the way, we're waiting for this
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  Jalen Carter thing, to which no information really from Nick,
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  And he said, you know, we're gonna keep that in house.
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  But do we anticipate I want to get your take
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  on this. Do we anticipate that the league is having
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  a hard time with this based on the evolvement from Prescott.
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  Then on Saturday, a college player spits on somebody, you know,
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  maybe the NFL said, okay, we'll find them. And then
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  the college guy like, do you look at this and say,
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  the NFL is kind of happen There's no precedent.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's been spitting incidents in the NFL before. The
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  only thing that's happened is things have changed over the
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  years with personal conduct policy and you know, addition to
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  that and different suspensions. So I don't think the think
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  trusted them per se is an issue. I don't think
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  the NFL is having any trouble with this because of
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  the college thing. And I certainly don't think and I
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  know this may rub some Eaglands fans the wrong way.
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  I don't think that Dak Prescott thing has one iota
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  to deal with it. You're allowed to spit on the ground,
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  you're allowed to talk a little. I know they're, you know,
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  trying to crack down on taunting in the middle of
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  a game a little bit. But you can't convince me,
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  and I'm sure you can't convince anybody in the NFL
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  that only jailing. The only way Jalen Carter could be disciplined, fine,
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  suspended or reprimanded in some way is if Dak Prescott
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  also gets it too.
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  Speaker 1: Like that.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, if the situation was reversed, and if Dak
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  Prescott was kicked out of a game instead of Jalen
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  Carter and Jalen Carter spit on the ground, no Eagles
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  fan in the world would be sailing saying Jalen Carter
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  should also be reprimanded or it would be fair. I
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  mean that is that is laughable to be even suggested
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  that Dak Dak Prescott would have to be either fine,
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  suspended or any reprimanded for for spitting on the ground,
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  which we see a billion guys do all the time.
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  Speaker 1: No, I listen, it's just weird the way it was presented, right,
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  it was that he gets thrown out of the game
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  for spitting, and you clearly saw him spit and I
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  don't anybody had a problem with the fact that he
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  was kicked out or that punishment should have happened. Then
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  there was some reports around halftime or right after halftime
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  that there was two sources essentially claiming that Prescott provoked
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  them or YadA, YadA, YadA, and then it will come out. Well,
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  then NBC then shows this as if and then he
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  had like this maniacal laugh as like, you know, I
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  go to you, I got you know, this wind of
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  the way is the Walter Payton Man of the Year
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  for the Dallas Cowboys here, so you know, you throw
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  that into the mix, and that NBC kind of made
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  this like, I don't know, it was just a weird situation.
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  And then it's why I was wondering if the Prescott
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  thing changes any punishment for Carter at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see that happening. I don't. I don't think.
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  So Carter has a history himself of some sideline player up,
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  so I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Most you don't think the college player like the whole
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  thing of Okay, maybe we'll find them. They're they're doing
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  this sportsmanship thing, and then the college kid spits on
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  a guy and it's almost like, that's a exactly why
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  you're being penalized because that guy, you know, this is
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  a lower level of football that now can say, well,
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  I saw a pro guy do it. You know what
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  I'm saying. Like, So you don't think that that factors
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  in at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think if the NFL is going to suspend
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  Jalen Carter, it was already on their mind that they
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  want to set a newer or reinforce. They always say
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  to talk about reinforcing things that are already there. They
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  want to reinforce that this cannot happen, and should that happen,
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  it won't happen again without severe ramifications. If that's what
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  they do, if they suspend Jill and Carter, that's the
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  message they'll have sent. And I honestly, I don't I
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  haven't even seen I've heard about it, but I haven't
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  seen the college incident. I don't know how much of
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  America has. I think most of America is now just
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  hearing about it because it's in conjunction with with Jalen
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  Carter doing it. I haven't seen it making the rounds
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  on social media as much as Jaleen Carter. So I
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  just think that the NFL is going to act and
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  then I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Tell you what high It was a pretty high profile
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  game too. It's Florida or South Florida and the guy
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  spits on the player and it costed the game. That
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  penalty was a fifteen yard penalty and South Florida kicked
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  the field goal to win like seventeen sixteen. That's sitting.
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  Incident was really the end of that game, and it
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  was weird. There was a Saturday night and so I
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  don't know, you might be right about that. I'm just
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  wondering if, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just in the NFL doesn't they don't want this. It's
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  and why should they. It's an humane thing to do.
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  I mean, it doesn't like we don't have to, like,
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  you know, nail the guy to the cross for the
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  rest of his life. But he is a guy who
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  has some baggage with him as far as his sideline demeanor,
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  and he did something that's reprehensible and he should be
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  you know, in if my opinion sometimes is this that
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  the player was objected from the game, he paid punishment
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  for it, but I'm not the league. In the league
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  always wants to make sure that more precedent is set,
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  Like you're saying, so it discourages players from making it
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  from doing this ever again. They don't want to ever
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  see stuff like that again. So it wouldn't surprise me
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  if there was a little bit of a draconian hand
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  down here in the form of a punishment. We'll see,
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  And yeah, I don't know, We'll just see. But I
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  know that the NFL usually doesn't act with influence outside
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  of what's best for the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and then you know, and I don't know if
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  the factors in all they're doing sportsmanship, sportsmanship, sportsmanship, the
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  incident with Lamar Jackson last night, like and they saying, look,
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  we got these two situations that we don't want to
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  deal with. So to make sure we don't have to
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  deal with either of these again, both of you guys
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  are getting the book.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the interesting thing is, like this has all
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  happened after the NFL already told its teams they were
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  cracking down this year sportsmanship. It's kind of funny, a
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  little funny, but it's kind of ironic. I guess that
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  these incidents would suddenly occur after the NFL. You saw
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  it in the preseason, the talking penalties or some talking healthies.
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  I saw yesterday just watching football NFL football that I
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  thought he's that wouldn't have been called last year or
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  the year before. So they're really cracking down on sportsmship
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  and yet here you have, you know, incidents like these happening.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher from the Inside of the Birds podcast, Inside
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  the Birds dot Com, Philly Voice as well Football at four.
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  All right, Zadarius Smith in they signed him after the game?
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  Is this? Hey, we were not happy with our pass rush.
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  I mean, obviously Jalen Carter not being there, Jane's is
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  the dynamic of the pass rush. But they go outside
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  a legit, guy, This isn't just some bumb off the street.
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  Za Darius Smith had nine sacks last year, So give
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  us your read the tea leaves on why Zadarius Smith
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  is here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he had four sacks last year in
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  eight games, which project to like.
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  Speaker 1: And he had four sacks with Detroit at five in Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, that's all. Good job, good good ball
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  on that. Yeah, so he's a good player and he
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  had I know, we'll get into this on Inside the
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  Data with Sam Finkel on Inside the Birds later this week.
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  Even his advanced pass because sometimes stats bats can be misleading,
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  but this guy's been doing it long enough that you
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  know he's a legit pass rusher, a lot of quarterback
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  hits things like that. His advanced metrics look good too.
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  The Eagles clearly, you know, and I know Nick Curianni
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  said today that as he's a JILARI is gonna, you know,
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  make things happen. He's part of the team for the future.
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  He said that last year about Devin White, and you know,
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  after the first four weeks, Devin White was gone. Vic
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  Fangeo has made it pretty clear. Two things right, He's
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  not he does not care about your contract, doesn't matter
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  about playing time for him. And then the second thing is,
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  as we get to know him as an Eagles defensive coordinator,
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  he really is comfortable with a three edge rotation. You know,
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  he had it last year with Bryce Hoff sort of
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  hurt and ineffective. He was really going with early in
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  the year, Jaylex Hunt was mostly special teams. He was
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  going with Brandon Graham and Nolan Smith and Josh Sweat
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  occupying most of that those snaps until Brandon Graham got hurt.
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  Then you got to see a little bit more of
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  Jalex Hunt as the season went on, and it was
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  really just a three and man edge rotation. And he's
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  doing that again because Jalx Hunt and Noan Smith where
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  your primary where your starters and your primary snap getters
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  at that position. And then Josh Ruche was the first
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  guy off the bench. There was a couple I think
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  Patrick Conson plates twelve reps, but he's basically there for
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  special teams. So if you're only gonna play three edge
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  rushers and now you've just added Zadarius Smith, and for
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  the money he signed for and the history that he's
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  got recently, he's gonna be in that rotation. And if
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  he's number three, that sort of passed some doubt on
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  what hez Ojalai and even Josh Rouche are gonna mean
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  to this team going forward. Do you remember last year
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  when it was clear they weren't and it played Devin White.
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  After the first four weeks, they worked on some contract resolution.
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  The details really never came out, but you know, he
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  got his free agency and then he went over to
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  He went over to play for the Texans because if
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  they didn't want to wait, he didn't want to wait
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  till the trade deadline. So he made some concessions. We'll
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  see what happens with Azizo Jelari. If he's not going
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  to play, you know, is there is he going to
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  ask for his release or is going to work something out?
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  Speaker 1: All right? Jeff Boscher Football at four? Here Mike Hilton.
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  He was working out according to report today, he's a
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  guy who played a lot of slot. Is this a
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  possibility that not only are they not happy with their
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  outside corners, they might be so unhappy that they move
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  Cooper de Gene out there and are looking for slot corners.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you don't work out a guy and look,
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  you know, especially that caliber and experience for no reason.
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  So and you're right, he has a slot corner. The
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  guy's got more. This is weird. You don't find too
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  many cornerbacks that have far more sacks in their career
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  than they do interceptions. But that's much help me. I'm
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  like eleven and a half career of sacks, I think
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  one career interception. So he's a slot guy. And if
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  they're kicking retires and they're looking at there, I gotta
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  be thinking about, well, what are we going to do
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  if we move Cooper to gen to the outside corner
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  Because that's our best option. They like Mac McWilliams. They
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  practiced him at the slot and outside. Believe a rookie,
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  and I don't know if they want to rely on that,
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  and may do. They may still give him a shot,
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  but also have Mike Hilton there or someone like that
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  for insurance. You know. Right now, they're just in the
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  exploring Shase.
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  Speaker 1: Mike all right, Jeff Boscher, Football at four from the
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  Inside of the Birds podcast Inside the Birds dot Com.
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  There's a quick breakdown Carter, no news yet there. Uh
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  Zadarius Smith is in and Mike Hilton was in for
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  a workout. Those are the big stories with the Eagles
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  as they now get ready for the Kansas City Chiefs.
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  Who could start off? Oh and two, we'll keep our
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  eye on that. Motion is back on Wednesday. Football at
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  four tomorrow with Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Buddy, all right, Mike, talk you