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The Dark Strangler, Every Landlady's Nightmare | Part 2: Earle Nelson | Portland, Oregon · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: Every single one of his victims fits the biblical definition
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  Speaker 1: of a quote unquote strange woman. Women running boarding houses
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  Speaker 1: or showing properties without the oversight of a man, whether
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  Speaker 1: they were unmarried or widowed, women who were basically just
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  Speaker 1: managing their own affairs, Like can you even imagine that audacity?
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  Speaker 1: The exact demographic he was hunting is the very same
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  Speaker 1: one the passage warns men to be fearful of. That's
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  Speaker 1: not scripture. It's a hit list with a theological alibi.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Cassie, Hi, Caitlyn, Hi, creepy people. Oh hello, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: this is PNW Hanson Homicide to where we chat about
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  Speaker 2: true crime, the paranormal and.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of spooky stuff in the Pacific Northwest or the
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  Speaker 3: p and W. If you're nice, nice you forgot to
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  Speaker 3: say it last episode.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I know, I forget like it's honestly, it's far
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  Speaker 1: and feun in between when I actually remember of my
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  Speaker 1: own accord, It's okay, but you know, I try get it.
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  Speaker 1: They'll get the nasty when they get it exactly well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm you know what, They're gonna get it today, and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to get the long way to tarot reading.
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  Speaker 1: Because this is parts two and normally we do a
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  Speaker 1: taro reading in every episode of the show, but this
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  Speaker 1: particular topic has turned into decidedly a two part, two
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  Speaker 1: part series, so we are we save the tarot reading
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  Speaker 1: for today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, so looking forward to that.
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  Speaker 1: Stick around little something to look forward too, or just.
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  Speaker 3: Skip right to it. Oh well, just listen to that.
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  Speaker 3: If all you're interested in is the tarot.
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  Speaker 1: That would be so interesting if people were like not
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  Speaker 1: interested in the actual like content of the case, they
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to hear us read the tarot.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we read the tarot about technically about the topic,
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  Speaker 4: so like you're gonna have to know what's going on
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  Speaker 4: because we will reference exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like otherwise it doesn't really make sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, do you.
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  Speaker 3: Unless you're just taking the readings for yourself. I mean
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  Speaker 3: you could do that too, Yeah yeah, whatever, you float
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  Speaker 3: your boat man, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to jump in exactly where we.
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  Speaker 3: Left off to the Midwest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna say, I am so proud of
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  Speaker 1: you for remembering.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. It was only like ten minutes ago.
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  Speaker 1: I know for some people it's been week, but for us,
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  Speaker 1: it's only been a few minutes. But you know, we
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  Speaker 1: were known to be a little bit gold fishy.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know. Patreon, maybe if you're nice, if
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  Speaker 3: you're good, if you're good for girls and boys, maybe
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  Speaker 3: we'll give you two parts at once. Oh you don't
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  Speaker 3: have to wait.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is a Patreon bonus for this episode too,
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  Speaker 1: So say.
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  Speaker 3: Good things could be in store, santable see if you're
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  Speaker 3: on the not on your nice list.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too late for Christmas in July, but you
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  Speaker 1: know it's still summer. Yeah, and as we pick this up,
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  Speaker 1: we are picking the story up right around Christmas time.
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  Speaker 3: So, and Christmas is in our hearts all year, don't
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  Speaker 3: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, just like Halloween two days before Christmas. Our not
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  Speaker 1: so lovely character here he garrotted. Forty one year old
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  Speaker 1: Almera Berrard of Council bluffs Iowa with a shirt in
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  Speaker 1: her own home.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why I had a physical reaction to
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  Speaker 3: that word.
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  Speaker 1: You know, garat is not a pleasant one.
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  Speaker 3: My body like jumped. I didn't like it.
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  Speaker 1: No, you know, as it turns out, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that anyone does yet again, and I'm not sure I'll
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  Speaker 1: ever quite grasp how this kept happening. Her death was
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  Speaker 1: presumed a suicide initially.
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  Speaker 3: What what?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, it happens in a few of these cases.
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  Speaker 1: Though I will say of all of the cases where
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  Speaker 1: this does pop up, it's perhaps the most justified because
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  Speaker 1: this was due to her recent discharge from a psychiatric institution. However,
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  Speaker 1: obviously the sexual assault findings would dispel that misguided theory.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I was kind of thinking that last time.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot to ask, like, it doesn't that did they
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  Speaker 1: not examine the other bodies that they thought were suicides
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  Speaker 1: and find like sexual assault? Yeah? I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: eventually whether it was theft or that the body was
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  Speaker 1: examined more closely and they realized there were signs of
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  Speaker 1: like a struggle or sexual assault. You know, those are
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  Speaker 1: kind of even back then one hundred you know, one
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  Speaker 1: hundred years ago as of recording, those things did tend
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  Speaker 1: to jump out, and it would sort of move them
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  Speaker 1: in their right direction in terms of the investigation. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: it seems, at least for this killer, a break for
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  Speaker 1: the holidays, likely for practical reasons alone, was due, though
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't last for long. Two days after Christmas, Nelson
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  Speaker 1: murdered his youngest victim to date at the time, Bonnie
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  Speaker 1: Pace of Kansas City, Missouri, twenty three years old.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that is quite young, yes, compared.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean compared to the majority of his victims,
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  Speaker 1: very very young. The following day, December twenty eighth, while
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  Speaker 1: still in Kansas City, Nelson marked another horrifying first. He
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  Speaker 1: killed Germania harpin twenty eight as well as her eight
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  Speaker 1: month old son, Oh my god, strangling him with a diaper.
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  Speaker 3: What.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean remember at this point in history, like
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  Speaker 1: you're using cloth diapers too, so you know, the visual
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  Speaker 1: is different than you know in twenty twenty six, but horrifying. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: it's just so eerie because like a diaper, Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, it like takes care of the baby, Like
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  Speaker 1: it's a symbol of like a baby, like it is
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  Speaker 1: to use that and it doesn't feeling it should be
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  Speaker 1: a weapon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, well sometimes some babies do make
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  Speaker 3: it a weapon, right.
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  Speaker 1: But right what they're blasting into the diaper, Yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: that diaper you know, yeah, no, I totally get it,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean in this context, it's just very
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  Speaker 1: it is disturbing. I mean, it's disturbing because obviously it's
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  Speaker 1: an infant, but then just something about.
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  Speaker 3: That visual is so unsettling.
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  Speaker 1: Their bodies were discovered by mister Harpin, husband and father
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  Speaker 1: to the victims, respectively, when he returned home that evening
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  Speaker 1: from work.
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  Speaker 3: Robert is the.
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  Speaker 1: Only male and only true child victim in the confirmed
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  Speaker 1: victim list. And I think it was just about opportunity
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  Speaker 1: most likely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just like in the way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he just happened to be there. Still,
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  Speaker 1: it seems unnecessary to have killed him.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, what the he're gonna do? He can't say anything.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a witness, he's not power to remember this,
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  Speaker 1: like cognitively, but obviously this is about what he wanted.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't necessarily a killing that occurred for any disgusting
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  Speaker 1: obviously say this, but.
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  Speaker 3: The worst thought he was probably crying, Yeah, like the.
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  Speaker 1: Baby unclear like which of them died first. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I mean that was kind of the same thought that
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  Speaker 1: I had, Like you might do that because what you
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  Speaker 1: don't want is a crying baby potentially drawing attention. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very sad, I mean, and think about that. This is
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  Speaker 1: three days after Christmas and your wife and it didn't
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  Speaker 1: say anything else about there being other children in the home,
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  Speaker 1: So presumably your wife and your only child, your firstborn son,
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  Speaker 1: are murdered three days after Christmas. Like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how you go on to have anything resembling a normal
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  Speaker 1: life after that. Following this crime, Nelson went dormant for
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  Speaker 1: nearly four months exactly, though it's clear that in that
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  Speaker 1: time he had navigated further east, landing in Philadelphia, where
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  Speaker 1: he killed his next victim on April twenty seventh of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven, fifty three year old Mary McConnell. He
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  Speaker 1: stole several pieces of her jewelry, attempting to pawn one
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  Speaker 1: of her gold watches before being turned away. Though it's
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  Speaker 1: not exactly clear why the proprietor, Mary ke decline the transaction.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why she said no, I don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: That is interesting, Yeah, just an interesting aside. I guess
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  Speaker 1: maybe because he gives creepy vibes and she's like, this is.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly a woman's watch or whatever. It was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, how did you get this? And maybe
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  Speaker 3: he couldn't come up with like a good answer.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it would be interesting to know more and
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  Speaker 1: kind of pull it that thread, like did she immediately
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  Speaker 1: like report something to the authorities, And that's how it
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  Speaker 1: was determined that like, oh yeah, this is this is him?
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  Speaker 1: Or is this something that we only learned kind of
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  Speaker 1: in hindsight, I don't really I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't have.
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  Speaker 1: Like that detailed of information on Well, I'm disappointed in you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's just interesting to think about, like maybe it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be honest, like some of this, even
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  Speaker 1: if I had tried to kind of like pull at
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  Speaker 1: these like specific little threads at the case, it's like
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  Speaker 1: the case is already like one hundred years old, and
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  Speaker 1: there's certain information that it's just like if it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: already exist publicly somehow like there, it's unlikely that I
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  Speaker 1: would ever be able to get that information. You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if it wasn't already reported in a newspaper or you know,
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  Speaker 1: if somebody hadn't already yeah, whatever the channel would be.
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  Speaker 1: It's just now that's kind of lost to time a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Again.
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  Speaker 1: In Buffalo, New York, just about a month later, on
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  Speaker 1: May thirtieth, nineteen twenty seven, Nelson killed fifty three year
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  Speaker 1: old Jenny Randolph, from whom he had rented a room
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  Speaker 1: three days earlier under the alias Charles Harrison, her brother
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  Speaker 1: Gideon Gilley, had met him and described him as about
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  Speaker 1: thirty three years old with a stocky build, dark complexion,
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  Speaker 1: and black hair slicked straight back. Yeah, which, okay, I.
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  Speaker 3: Picture it greasy. That's why I will about me too.
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  Speaker 1: But to expand on that, and this is like kind
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  Speaker 1: of one of those moments of levity. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: watched the show? I think you should leave. No, there
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  Speaker 1: is a whole bit that he does about you think
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  Speaker 1: this is slicked back, and he's talking about like I
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  Speaker 1: used to splic my hair back all the time. The
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  Speaker 1: whole bit is about like, oh, yeah, I used to
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  Speaker 1: be a real piece of shit, slick my hair back.
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  Speaker 1: And like all of the scenarios are just like so
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  Speaker 1: silly and kind of outlandish, and they're not all equal winners,
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  Speaker 1: but that one's a classic. It's a good one. Her
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  Speaker 1: body was discovered stuffed under a bed. This is Jenny Randolph.
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  Speaker 1: Fellow border Fred Merritt later positively identified Nelson as Charles Harrison. Ooh,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that like, even if they
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  Speaker 1: weren't directly a witness to the crime, they are witnesses
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  Speaker 1: that can testify to like this is the alias he used,
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  Speaker 1: and yes, I can positively identify like this is the
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  Speaker 1: same man.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, because he's so distinct.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, yeah. No, and his aliases are not very.
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  Speaker 3: Clever, but they're better than Clark.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe where.
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  Speaker 1: Nelson had previously seemed to be engaged in an escalating
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  Speaker 1: spree prior to the new year. His crimes in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: twenty seven were initially roughly thirty days apart, but good
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  Speaker 1: things never last. In Detroit, Michigan, on June first, he
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  Speaker 1: killed two victims for the second time, the bodies of
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  Speaker 1: fifty three year old boarding house manager Fannie May and
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  Speaker 1: border Marine Atrothe Her maiden name was Oswald. Probably should
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  Speaker 1: have just gone with that because the atrothe I'm probably
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  Speaker 1: butchering it, is what I'm saying. They were discovered by
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  Speaker 1: the building owner, Leonard Sink as he made the rounds
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  Speaker 1: to collect rent, which is just I feel like a
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  Speaker 1: lot more than he bargained for. But two women.
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  Speaker 3: Mm hm, oh my gosh. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: May was grotted with an electrical cord cut from a
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  Speaker 1: table lamp while the current was still live.
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  Speaker 3: Holy Jesus, did he get electrocuted.
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  Speaker 1: I mean one would hope, right, Like we should all
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  Speaker 1: be so lucky.
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  Speaker 3: How does electricity work.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. It did work in a unique way,
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  Speaker 1: in a way that was in the end kind of helpful.
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  Speaker 1: Investigators determine the knife used to cut the cord would
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  Speaker 1: show burn marks and a nicked blade. Oh okay, we'll
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  Speaker 1: just put a pin in that for now.
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh, I like where this is going. Only that
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  Speaker 1: particular part.
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  Speaker 3: But that is so crazy that he like looked around
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  Speaker 3: the room and was like, yep, that's the only thing
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: I can like right, and like planning it in your head. Now,
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  Speaker 3: these other people don't know what you're thinking, and they
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  Speaker 3: just think it's a normal day and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 3: the cord is cut. Yeah, and you're being attacked.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty horrifying, Like it's hard to imagine what would
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  Speaker 1: be going through your head at that moment.
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  Speaker 3: I'm never leaving my house again, and no one's ever
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  Speaker 3: coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I was going to say, you know, the thing
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  Speaker 1: is a lot of these people were in their homes
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  Speaker 1: or coming in. Yeah, no one's invited over vampire rules. Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be invited.
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  Speaker 1: Three days later, on June fourth, Nelson strangled twenty seven
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  Speaker 1: year old Mary Cecilia Sietsma of Chicago, Illinois, with an
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  Speaker 1: appliance cord. So he kind of goes through like these
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: sort of phases where it's like he's he's liking a
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  Speaker 1: specific thing that he's.
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  Speaker 3: Finding and using. And I hate that because he does
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  Speaker 3: it so often.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you can tell there's certain things that
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  Speaker 1: it's like he's like, oh this is interesting, or you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is I like how this works, or I don't
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  Speaker 1: want my head to exist in that space. Her body
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  Speaker 1: was discovered by her husband on the floor of their home.
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  Speaker 3: Another poor husband.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the good news is that we are nearing
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  Speaker 1: the end of the actual spree. Okay, we're getting We're
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  Speaker 1: getting We're getting close, sir. Days later, reportedly June eighth
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty seven, Nelson was crossing the border into
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Canada hitching a ride with the Chandler family of Minnesota, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: They described him as well dressed in a blue suit,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: gray cap, and tan shoes, though he was apparently carrying
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  Speaker 1: nothing else, no bible, nothing, That's what they said. Another
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  Speaker 1: motorists later reported giving Nelson a ride further on from Emerson,
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  Speaker 1: Manitoba to Winnipeg that same day, which is like Jesus
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: fucking Christ, there are two people in their vehicle, like
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  Speaker 1: an entire family in the first one that they are
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  Speaker 1: so lucky.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think he would take out like a whole family, though.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure that he would have been able to,
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  Speaker 1: And I will say that it seems like that is
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: probably from both like a physical like because it is
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: very difficult for like a single attacker to take out
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  Speaker 1: an entire family unless they have like just an insane advantage.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, being confined in a single vehicle is you know,
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  Speaker 1: one way that you might be able to accomplish that.
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  Speaker 1: But more than anything, I think psychologically I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: that he could have done that, because it really seems
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: that in the cases where there are survivors, you see
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  Speaker 1: that like when he's met with even the slightest resistance
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  Speaker 1: where they don't do things exactly the way that he
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: wants in order to like carry out his mo o,
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  Speaker 1: like he just leaves. Yeah, so I think he could
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  Speaker 1: have escalated at some point to that level. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that like, oh, he's just not capable of that
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  Speaker 1: kind of evil.
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  Speaker 3: He I mean, yeah, he definitely is.
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  Speaker 1: He he strangled an eight month old baby, like that's
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  Speaker 1: not beyond him. But I just don't think that it's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: in his nature for other reasons, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: And was that was there a man in the car too,
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  Speaker 3: like a like a mom and dad?
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it sounds like it was a whole family,
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  Speaker 1: because I doubt that a woman driving into Canada with
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: her small children would have picked up a lone male hitchhiker,
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  Speaker 1: even at this time, right, I just I don't see
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  Speaker 1: that many women would have done that. Obviously, it is
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: always a possibility, But yeah, I think that's the other
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  Speaker 1: thing is I think there being a man present clearly
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that changes the dynamics for him. On June eighth, in Winnipeg, Manitoba,
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  Speaker 1: fourteen year old Lola Cowan of three University Places, was
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: selling artificial flowers door to door to help support her family.
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  Speaker 1: Oh Nelson lured her into his rented room at Catherine
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Hill's boarding house at one thirty three Smith Street. Her
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: body and this goes back to escalation reportedly mutilated in
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  Speaker 1: a manner period reports described as reminiscent of Jack the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Ripper's victims Oh my god, would not be found for days,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and that's really horrifying because she's another one of his
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: like very young victims. It's a level of aggression in
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  Speaker 1: violence that he hasn't stereotypically exhibited. So I feel like
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: it does speak to like him. Escalating. Evidence also indicated
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Nelson slept in the bed above her corpse overnight.
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  Speaker 3: Ew.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he doesn't care, no, clearly very unbothered. Later,
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  Speaker 1: Nelson was still in Winnipeg when he killed twenty seven
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: year old Emily Patterson of one hundred Riverton Avenue, who,
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  Speaker 1: in addition to the strangulation and sexual assault standard to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: his MO, was also bludgeoned with a clawhammer.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, so he's getting pretty violent.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, this is a level of like devastation
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  Speaker 1: and destruction to their bodies that we have not seen
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  Speaker 1: with his prior victims. Her body was left underneath her
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: young son's bed and discovered by her husband as he
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: knelt at the bedside to say evening prayers.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is the worst thing I've ever heard.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I know, And it's like it's I don't know, there's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: something about it where it's like, you know, not all
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: people that are religious, are good people? Like I think
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: we all understand that, but there's something that's it's like
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: such a wholesome image of this man, like kneeling down
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: beside his child's bed to say evening prayers and then
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that's how he discovers this horrific thing has been done
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: to his wife, and to leave her there underneath her
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: child's bed like.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: That is so gross. It is wrong with him.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I know, and for somebody that was just such a
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: fucking nut about religion, it's like.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: That image is.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Just I don't know, it's so unsettling. It's just it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: really disturbing. Nelson stole a whipcord suit, Emily's gold wedding ring,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the family Bible, and seventy dollars Canadian in.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Ten dollar bills.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: He also left behind a knife bearing burn marks and
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: a nicked blade. Oh, the same distinctive damage that would
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: have been seen on the knife used to cut the
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: electrical cord in the Fannie May murder in Detroit just
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: nine days earlier.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Holy shit, he's done so much.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he is doing the absolute most, and I must
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: insist that he just takes several seats.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I have to look this up.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I never did end up looking up what a whipcord
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: suit was, and I was curious, but I was like,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I have so much to do. Oh, it's literally just
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a man's suit. I don't know why they call it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: that whipcord a sturdy worsted wool or cotton fabric.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, so he took it so he would like have
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: something nice to wear. I guess.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So that's what I'm thinking.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: And he got his Bible back. He could be Bible man,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't have a Bible when he was crossing
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the border, apparently, so he took theirs, which is just
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: like fuck you.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, we kind of touched on this.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: But the claw hammer was a striking departure from Nelson's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: otherwise strangulation consistent method, and, together with the mutilation of
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Lola Cowan two days prior, has been read by later
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: analysts as evidence of psychological deterioration in the final week
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of the spree. And I may not be a qualified
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: analyst of really almost anything, but I'm inclined to agree
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Right, it sounds right, it sounds right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what. I can't always find the right
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: mouth words but when I hear them sometimes I'm like, that's.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: It that resonates.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is, you know what what they said.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: The day after Patterson's murder, Winnipeg jeweler Fred England unknowingly
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: purchased Emily Patterson's wedding ring from Nelson. Later that afternoon,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Nelson traded the whipcord suit and other clothing that he
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: had stolen from the Patterson home at Sam Waldman's second
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: hand store.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, well I was wrong, but whatever what oh
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: I said? He wanted like the nice suit to trick
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: people to like wear it, so he just sold it.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I kind of thought so too.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But maybe he didn't want anything that looked distinctive. Maybe
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: he didn't want anything that was going to like set
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: him apart. So like maybe he wanted to change out
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: his clothes. But what he wanted because it does say
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: trade it, So maybe what he wanted was something that
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: was just like a little bit more run of the mill, right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: And he's an opportunist, But also he does a lot
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: of things that like just straight up don't make sense.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So I mean, who knows, there's no way to know
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a barber next door Nicholas taber gave a man matching
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Nelson's description a shave, haircut, and massage, noticing dried blood
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: and scratch marks on his scalp. When asked about them,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: the man grew agitated and asked the barber not to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: touch them.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I got attacked by a squirrel. Leave me alone.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't ask me any questions, and I won't tell
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you any laughs. On June twelfth, during a city wide
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: search of Winnipeg boarding houses, police entered Catherine Hill's boarding
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: house at one thirty three Smith Street and discovered Lola
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Cowan's decaying body beneath the bed of the room Nelson
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: had recently occupied. The Winnipeg City Council posted a fifteen
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars Canadian reward for information leading to conviction. The
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: reward would later become a point of dispute as multiple
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: tipsters came forward because of course, I mean there's money involved,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: so we have to have some sort of bickering. Likely
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: seriously feeling the heat, Nelson fled south by hitchhiking and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: stowing away on trains aiming for the United States border.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: On June fourteenth, a man claiming to be Mike Mouski
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: was arrested at the war Road, Minnesota border crossing by
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: US Customs officers, but escape the next day.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Because he who denis that's how he do? Yeah, so
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: does he? Who DD's Mike Mouski.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's Mickey mouse So Mouseki is spelled Mowski. I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: think it was meant to sound like an Eastern European name,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: that's my guess. But then on my mom's birthday June sixteenth,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven, constables in Killarney, a border town approximately
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: twelve miles from North Dakota, arrested a calm, cooperative man
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: calling himself Virgil Wilson.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I'm Virgil Wilson. Now.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his demeanor was so unremarkable that the arresting constables
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: believed they had the wrong man. They were like, this
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: obviously can't be him.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: He just is like so chill. Oh my god. I know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what to say about that. I know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I well, listen, this is long before there was any
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: sort of like precedent for like, okay, we have to
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: stop saying things like oh, he looked so normal like
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the Boogeyman. He might look surprisingly normal.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for real.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like, actually, it's incredibly likely he's gonna look just like
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you are you are you are? You?
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Like, didn't you start off episode one saying this very
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: same thing? Yeah? Interesting, I believe so.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Weird, you know what. I am glad someone is paying attention.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I try so really this is I mean, it's just
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: such a fun little part of the story here.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I know you're gonna be shocked.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Nelson escaped the century old Killarney cell that night by
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: picking the lock, but made a fatal mistake when he
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: attempted to board the same train carrying Winnipeg police on
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: the hunt to retrieve him.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Ah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Shit, the first half is exactly what you think it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be, and then the second half is kind of
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like the m Night Twist.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: And I love that. Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I was like, you deserve it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: He did. Yeah.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So he was recaptured roughly twelve hours after his initials
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: by an officer of the Crystal City, Manitoba Police Department
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: on the rail line seventy five kilometers east of Wakopa.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying that right, but you know, stay stupid,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I guess now.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I'm just still like picturing him walking into the train
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: and everyone just looks at him and they're all staring
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: at each other like wait, wait that is that the guy?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Is the guy? Like he's like, ah, there's just no way.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Nelson was taken to the Rupert Street Police station in Winnipeg,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: where he was photographed, fingerprinted, measured, and prepared for identification lineups.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Thousands of spectators gathered outside the station. Fun fact about
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: this case, and I hadn't initially included it in my notes,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and I think I just was like, I he says,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: there's so much to research and things to verify and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: all of that. I read that reportedly up to a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: thousand Canadian farmers just casually joined search parties that were
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: like on the hunt for him. Oh so thousands of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: spectators showing up at the police station in Winnipeg when
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: he's like actually recaptured, recaptured like that part, I was like,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I that that feels about, right Like
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: at the house, they.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Were all looking for him, and they're like, yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And this was a big fucking deal just in general,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that more later because you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: old timey things and we'll get there. But I just
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, like I love that piece of it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: How much people just were like, we got to get
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: this guy. They were really invested.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Get this fucking guy out of here.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, get him the fuck out. Sergeant James Hoskins
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of the Winnipeg Police noted that the clothing Nelson was
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: wearing was the same clothing Sam Waldman had received in
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: trade for the wick Cord suit stolen from the Patterson home,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: physical evidence tying Nelson directly to the murder scene, so
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: they were able to identify. Like, Okay, so the guy
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: that gave us the stolen clothing from the family, this
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is what he got in trade and he's wearing it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: So he should have just taken money and went to
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: a different store. Yep, No, I mean, stay stupid. I
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: love that. I love that the store owner just knows
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: what clothes were his or hers or whatever. Right.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Captain Mathison of the San Francisco Police Department personally traveled
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to Winnipeg with Nelson's fingerprint records from a prior californi
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Ornia arrest. The prints were a match, and his identity
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: as Virgil Wilson collapsed. By the end of Nelson's first
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: week in custody, more than forty witnesses had identified Nelson
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: either in lineups or from photographs. A lot of people
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: those are cosby numbers.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Baby him in his big hands and greasy hair.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Arguably the most damning was Catherine Hill's positive identification of
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: him as the man who had rented the room in
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: which Lola Cowan died. That'll do it, yep, not older.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: When first asked about the murders, Nelson bluntly told a reporter,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I only do my lady killings on Saturday nights.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Oh sir, what he told a dad joke about murder, right, like, ugh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: U exqueeze me butthole.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: What an actual anus wow. But of course, he would
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: later retract this and refuse to confess to anything, insisting
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to the Manitoba Free Press, I'm charged with two murders,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm not the one who'd done it, not the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: one who'd done it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: See, I just the dad joke killer god.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: When asked how so many witnesses in so many cities
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: had identified him, he said, all of them are wrong.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I could be anybody.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I look like everybody. What do you mean, right?
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, I just like that. Many people I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: just don't believe are wrong. Also, all of the physical evidence, yeah, duh.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Within weeks of his arrest. Though he was wanted for
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: murder in several other jurisdictions, including San Francisco, in Detroit, Philadelphia,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: and Buffalo, just to name a few, it was determined
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that he would be first tried in Manitoba, which still
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: had the death penalty at that time.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Ha ha Yeah.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Capital punishment would not be abolished for civilians in Canada
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: until the summer of nineteen seventy six, and for military
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: offenses full abolishment would not come until nineteen ninety eight.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So I guess he should have just waited until then
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to do all of his murdering in Canadia.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Dummy. Oh well.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Nelson's trial was scheduled to begin June twenty seventh of
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven, but was postponed at his attorney's request,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: finally beginning November one at the Winnipeg Law Courts building.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: And it looks kneku.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if the building looks exactly like it
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: did back in nineteen twenty seven, but the picture I
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: saw lekum.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: The case was prosecuted by R. B.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Graham before Justice Andrew Dysert and James Herbert Stitt. I
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: just this so many names serving as this court appointed defense,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: so Stitt is his defense lawyer. Though Nelson was tried
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: only for the murder of Emily Patterson, fingerprints from other
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: crime scenes were a match, and dental impressions taken at
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the time of his arrest also matched bite marks found
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: on victims.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Oo and his hard teeth. Yeah, I didn't you like
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: pick things up with his teeth or something?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: That that's something that came up in his life, like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: pretty early on.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: So I hate it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Of course, through a modern lends, this specific aspect of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: forensic odontology has far less credibility than it did at
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the time, but the mountain of other evidence and statements
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: stacked up heavily against him.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: So even if you want to.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Play Devil's advocate and be like, well, forensic odontologies kind
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of like especially bite marks, and you know that's.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: Not all they had, so piped out.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Investigators had also matched the knife recovered at the Patterson
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: scene with its distinctive burn marks and nicked blade to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the knife used to cut the electrical cord that garrotted
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Fannie May in Detroit physically linking Nelson to crimes he
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: had committed across the international border. Over sixty witnesses from
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: both Canada and the United States testified, many placing Nelson
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: at the scenes of crimes or linking him to stolen property.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Nelson's ex wife, Mary Martin, testified against him, calling him
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: absolutely insane, which shit.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Normally I would.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Say that is not a polite thing to say about
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: your grandson's slash husband. But you know, if the shoe.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Fits, yeah. Oh. Doctor Alvin T.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Mathers, chief of the psychiatric ward at Winnipeg General Hospital,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: testified that after examining Nelson five times between July and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: October of nineteen twenty seven, he had quote not found
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: any evidence that to me would constitute insanity.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: No evidence.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: I think he means, you know, in the legal sense.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: This is not to say that like he's not like
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what woo, like there's a screw loose. Something ain't right,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: the boy ain't right, buck.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, but he can't like plea insanity or whatever. Right, Okay,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: get it. I'm like, no, he's crazy. What do you mean?
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: You're like it? But he's like so crazy. A jail
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: guard who supervised Nelson throughout the trial, noted that he
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: had become fixated on a passage from the Book of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Proverbs and read it aloud repeatedly, which is not at
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: all annoying and obnoxious. Okay, I will read it for you,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, I will tell you all about why
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I fucking hate it. Okay, my son, give me thine
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: heart and let thine eyes observe my ways. For a
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: whore is a deep ditch, and a strange woman is
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a narrow pit. She also lieth in wait as for
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: a prey, and increaseth the transgressors among men. Now, if
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I were to try to explain that to you in
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: slightly plainar English, I might say something like, every single
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: one of his victims fits the biblical definition of a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: quote unquote strange woman. Women running boarding houses or showing
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: properties without the oversight of a man, whether they were
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: unmarried or widowed, women who were basically just managing their
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: own affairs, Like, can you even imagine that audacity? The
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: exact demographic he was hunting is the very same one
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: the passage warns men to be fearful of. That's not scripture,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: it's a hit list with a theological alibi. Damn, it's
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: particularly gross textbook victim blaming. The women he murdered were
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: being framed in his deluded mind as the predators because
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: he wasn't stalking them, they were tempting him, like.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: What was she wearing you?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: He wasn't strangling them, he was escaping the traps of
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: their feminine wiles. My god, it's honestly the oldest trick
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: in the book, and Nelson didn't invent it. He just
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: baptized it and passed it down to future in cells.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: I hate this so much.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I'm That's all I have to say about that is
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: that it Are you sure you done? We have to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: move on?
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: No, I mean I could literally expound for days. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: mean the amount of time that I spent on the
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: reflection on that, Like I don't know, four lines of scripture.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: No, while you're reading it, I was like, did wait
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: did they mean? When I think yeah, and then fancy
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: words are covering up what is the same.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, It's one of those ones where you're like, hold on, no,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: hold on, I just maybe I'm confused by the thine
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure they didn't mean that. Well, no, they
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: appear to mean just exactly that. Hmmm, No, it's exactly
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: what you think. And obviously part of the problem is
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the context in which it's being used. But it's pretty
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a passage that's pretty problematic regardless.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Take that out of there.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Just like, on the face of things, we're just like
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: whorees and you know, ew strange, Like, how about actually
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: go fuck yourself.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I'd rather be a strange horror than.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Right be one of you. I know, I think I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: would rather be both a whore and arguably strange.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: I like that life.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm literally about that life. On November fifth,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven, closing arguments concluded that you're deliberated for
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: forty minutes before returning a guilty verdict because duh. But honestly,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: when the jury comes back that quickly, it's almost never
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: a good thing for the defendant, just like statistically and anecdotally,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think most lawyers say that. That's what I've always heard,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: and it's carried through. Nelson received the mandatory death sentence,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and I mandatorily Yeah, I don't normally love capital punishment,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: but I kind of I'm not going to say that.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: I you know, like I kind of love.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: That for him a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I'm not
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: historically someone that considers themselves a fan, but like I
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: like their latest work.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: If they're like this clearly guilty and terrible and yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: just get rid of them, like we don't.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Like it could not be any more clear cut. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know what, the world is now
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a better place, And I know I normally just don't
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: think that the system gets it correct reliably enough to
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: feel confident about carrying out that sentence. That's my issue.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: But I mean, somebody wants to argue that this is
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: not the guy. First of all, you're listening to the
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: wrong show because you're Aloney Tune and your name is Clark.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I think what I think you meant
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to go to the red pill side of the internet.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know, go not wipe your buttthole over there.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Oh it makes me so fucking angry,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: so disgusted.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I've been waiting for an opportunity to bring that up again.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I know well, and honestly I just didn't want to
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: sound like a crazy feminazi the whole way through, But
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: like that is what this case is giving like in
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a way, right, because it's just it's just such misogyny.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: And there's other facets of this case obviously, but like
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: there's a clear hatred of women in this Like there's
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: literally only a single male victim and that was a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: fucking infant, which is horrific. But like, clearly this is
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: about hating women. Okay, so then this is just fucking weird.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I I really don't know how else to put it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Asked whether he wished to make a statement after, you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: he's been given his sentence. He responded, no, not that
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I know of, And it's a weird choice of words.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Not that I know of. Uh huh, not that anyone
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: in my head is telling me, right now, I know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: So moving on, we don't have anything to say at
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: the moment.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, did you need to like take
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: a minute, and like I don't take a poll of
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: everybody that's in there, like what or what? And I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: hate to sound like like I would, you know, make
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: light of anyone with like mental illness, but like at
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the same time, this is so clearly such a deranged
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and evil person that it's hurt so many innocent people
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that I just I'm sorry, I just I can't.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's I think arguably one of, if not.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: The worst case that I've ever covered.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot of women.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Two episodes of women, children, and an actual fucking baby,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: an infant.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: So excuse me if I.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Feel a little bit lase fair about what happens to
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: him at this point, please forgive me.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: And then she was struck down by lightning?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine? We have had episodes It's just like
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: not like for anything other than like it just was
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: like cool ambiyonce, but like we've had like thunder lightning
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: like in the background. But like, wow, listen, if that like,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: if that's my cross to bear, so to speak, then
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: like I'm okay with that, Okay, forging ahead. Stit submitted
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a thirty page clemency petition to Minister of Justice Earnest
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Lapointe in late December, supported by twenty affidavits attesting that
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Nelson had an I quote, for a long period of time,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: been a person of unsound mind.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: M hm uh huh. Yeah, unsound is a very kind
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: way to put it.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it mayhaps be a bit generous.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Missus L. J.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Casey, who had employed him as a groundskeeper in nineteen
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: twenty six described him another quote, sitting right outside in
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: the drenching rain, looking at the sky without a coat
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: until he was soaked through.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: That's normal.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure which way that supports exactly. I mean,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I guess just that he's deeply on Well. Yeah, but
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the appeal was denied. And here's where we get some
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: super I'm just a little stitious, you know, like the
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: kind of like little synchronicities. The following year, on Friday,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: January thirteenth, nineteen twenty eight, after walking thirteen steps to
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: the gallows at seven thirty am, Earl Leonard Nelson became
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the thirteenth person to hang at the Von Street Jail
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: in Winnipeg.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Ooh, I like all the thirteen?
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Does that not just give you like the chili willies though?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's creepy.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: The hangman was Arthur Ellis, the official executioner to the
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Dominion of Canada, which is a hell of a title.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Ellis is reported to have described the Nelson hanging as
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the one he was most satisfied to have officiated. I
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: get that, Yeah, I kind of get that too. Nelson's
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: last words on the platform were and this is so
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: fucking infuriating. I just have to say, I declare my
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: innocence before God and Man. I forgive those who have
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: injured me, and I ask pardon from those I have injured,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: to which I say, nah, dude.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: But he just said he didn't hurt anybody. He's innocent,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: So who is he injured? Right? I thought you were innocent?
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: So like what what? Yeah? It's interesting.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Widely credited by crime historians Harold Scheckter and David Everett
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: as the first serial sex murderer of the twentieth century
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: in America, Nelson's crimes received widespread national and international coverage,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: aided by the emerging medium of broadcast radio. Ooh yeahplast news,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I know wild times. His trial was reported on across
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the United States, Canada, and even Australia.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Damn, Honor, They're like, what the fuck is happening up there?
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Like these Yanks are out of control over there?
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Down there. I don't know where Australia is.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: They're down You're like, I barely know where I am.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Is that enough? His confirmed count of twenty two remained
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the highest number of murders attributed to a single US
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: offender for nearly fifty years until the discovery of Juan
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Corona's crimes in California in nineteen seventy one. In criminal literature,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Nelson is often cited as the archetype of the traveling
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: or transient serial killer, a category that would later include
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Ted Bundy, Henry Lee, Lucas Ottis, Toole Otis Otis, you
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: know what, who Cares? And Israel Kis. They are all
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: very fucking scary. Serial Killers in general are scary, but
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: like there is something so chilling about those particular individuals
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: for sure. Nelson's case also demonstrates a form of inter
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: state law enforcement cooperation that predates modern institutional structures, such
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: as the FBI's Violent Criminal Apprehension Program known as VISCAP
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: that was established in nineteen eighty five. Fingerprint records were
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: physically handcarried by Captain Matheson from San Francisco to Winnipeg
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: to establish Nelson's identity, and Winnipeg police sent Nelson's photograph
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: to police departments throughout the United States, both costly measures
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that were slow to process compared to, you know, setting
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: an email compared to modern digital methods, though in the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: end effective enough to generate positive identifications from Illinois and
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: California within days, So like they were doing.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: The damn thing.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: They're working together, working together, instead of measuring dicks. Portland
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: is central to Nelson's story to a degree that most
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: national retellings understate. Four of his twenty two confirmed victims
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: were killed in Portland, Beta Withers, Virginia, Grant, Mabel Fluke,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and Blanchemier's, making Portland the single city with the highest
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: concentration of nelson murders anywhere on his route, ahead of
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: San Francisco and Kansas City that had three each, and
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Winnipeg with two confirmed victims. With the Seattle murder of
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Florence Monks added, the Pacific Northwest accounts for five of
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Nelson's confirmed victims, roughly a quarter of the total, a
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: significant regional concentration for a killer known for his mobility,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And like, what the fuck do you have against us?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Like why, I don't know, And to be honest, as
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: is the chase with so many serial killers, there are
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: unfortunately suspected but unconfirmed victims. And that's a little bit
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: of what I want to talk about in the Patreon bonus.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: So you know, if you are really intrigued by this case,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that's something to look forward to a reason to join,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: or if you're just like sick to death of this
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: creepy fucker, also totally understandable, you.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Could still join, just don't listen to it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's other content there, you know, if you just
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: want to support us, that's cool too.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: What ifs.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: But that's all I have for both parts one and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: two of Ugh, this this guy Earl.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: I was definitely wondering if there was a chance like
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: he had murdered more yeah people than they knew about
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: mm hmm.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And I will say that, I well, you're just gonna
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: have to You're just gonna have to listen to the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Patreon bonus for that. Yeah, yeah, but I'm subscribed.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: I do firmly believe that there are likely other victims
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that were not included in the body of our two episodes, damn,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: which is unfortunate because it's already just you know, it's
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: a lot of people that I mean, their lives were
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: ended and then the people that loved them, their lives
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: were just irreparably changed, and I can't even imagine, I mean,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: and we talked about this so many times. The victims
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: were so frequently discovered by you.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Know people, the people closest to them, and yeah, the
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: husband's the kids.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Because they were killed inside of you know, their homes
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: or inside of other properties that they owned or you know,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: worked at. It's like, really, that's the only thing that
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: makes sense.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: It just adds.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It's just salt in the wound in this case because
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: it's already just so ugly.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: But should we do.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Some terror about it? And maybe, yeah, maybe we'll get
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: a pretty tarot card and that'll make us feel better.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: They're all pretty so that Yeah, I mean the words
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: aren't always pretty.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I mean, you know, it gets complicated
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: at times.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: All right, well, let's.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Taro it up.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: Wow, vibes are being transferred. I like it.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: It That was weird and then you like moved and.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: It zoomed in on you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like the vibes got closer in that moment.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've got them laid out in front of my
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: keyboard as per usual when we're remote. So is there
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: like a letter or a number that lines up with my.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: Keyboard that's calling to you?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: N N Okay, Oh interesting, Okay, here we go.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Oh it's a cute card. Okay, Well, like we said, yeah,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: oh oh yeah, it's another one of those that we've
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: gotten quite frequently. Seven of swords. Okay, the little weasel
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: eating an egg. He was a little fucking weasel. Yeah
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: he was a weasel. Well he was a big weasel.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an Olympic short tailed weasel.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: So this is really interesting though, because obviously weasels, they
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: have sort of a persona, are easily right, weasely exactly.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Our keywords in the Little Book are cunning, trickery, sneakiness, deceit, resourcefulness, strategy,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and stell like all of that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, so this takes me back to part one. I
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: just glanced at the Little Story because you know me,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I'm like, sometimes I like to just get to the
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: big book interpretation. But we have I love the stories. Yeah, well,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: and we have to read it this time. We literally
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: have to we m.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Weasel me.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Listen, everybody's got to eat. It ain't my fault. And
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Papa Robin decided to fly off at the same time.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Opportunity.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, but remember he was orphaned. Parents died like very
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: close together. But I agree it works two ways.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, ooh, creepy.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: It goes on to say. See, I wouldn't call that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a wise decision. I know they're not going to want
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: to hear this, but when you think about it, this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: one's on them.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: No, that's what we were saying about the victim blaming and.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: The look that's how nature works. It's opportunistic. Wow, And
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: I know an opportunity when I see it.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: That is so him.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: Anyway, if I didn't wipe these eggs, somebody else would have.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Anybody could have been waiting in the leaves, still and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: silent as death, watching that nest all afternoon.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: And he did that. He like stalked and waited for
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Oh my.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: God, anybody could have deftly climbed the tallest tree, swung
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: out onto that rickety bow, and dove neatly into the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: nest cup without so much a scuffing a single delicious egg.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: So what if I got there first? Don't blame me
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: for playing the game and winning. So what do you
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: want me to do?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Starve? Oh my god, that was like so his mindset too.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: And I've not We've read this before for sure, and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: it like it has related to all these dudes who kill,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: But like that, every single word was so spot on
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: for him specifically in what he did.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Yikes that truly truly.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: Wow, he's a weasel.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, seven of sorts here we go. Keywords are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and strategy. So we did draw this in the reverse.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: So this is when I think it's really good that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: we have like the Big Book to kind of give
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: us a more nuanced interpretation between the upright and the reverse.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Interesting, okay, m m.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Some decks, including the Writer, Waite, Smith, Aquarian, and Gilded Taro,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: show a man carrying away five swords, leaving two stuck
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: in the ground behind him. When this card appears, it
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: suggests you're facing a challenger problem. I must use caution
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to overcome potential danger.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: Girl, you in danger? Yeah, I was kind of like
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: the people who did get away, like they they were
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: using caution and ended up getting away from him. Yeah.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Honestly, when the seven appears reversed, it can mean either
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: you're behaving impetuously or that you're overly cautious and afraid
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: to act. I mean, I think we know which way
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: that one falls. I think we know which way that
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: cookie crumbles. I think it's the first one. It can
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: also represent coming clean about a mistake and trying to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: make restitution.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Which not something that he did. Did he He never
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: admitted it.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was kind of an early admission, but
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: like he very quickly reversed course and just was like,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: oh no, it's all lies. All these people are wrong.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting because it's like the exact opposite of
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: what he did.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Just what he needed to do. See, he needed taro.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah he really did.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember initially, when first asked about the murders,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Nelson bluntly told a reporter, I only do my lady
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: killings on Saturday.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: Nights, the dad joke. Yeah.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: But then he immediately was like, oh no, I didn't
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: I didn't do it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: All of them are wrong.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean, but that was like also saying
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: he didn't do it, because I think I picked. I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: thought he was saying, like, I go to the club
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: and I kill it with the ladies, like, yeah, Saturday nights.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that clubbing was so much
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: a thing back in the nineteen twenty.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: That's what I thought he was saying.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like even that you could kind
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: of read that in more than one way. I see
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. In a reading about money, be careful
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: of get rich quick schemes, gambling, or dubious endeavors.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Like killing people and taking their money and jewelry and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: selling their clothes and then getting caught right Literally, the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: reverse seven can represent deception or leaving yourself vulnerable.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it suggests you may have gained through or are
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: considering underhanded means. I would say, I mean to put
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: it mildly. If the reading is about your job, this
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: card can warn of dishonesty or deception in your workplace.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Perhaps you'll need to separate yourself from a situation, stay
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: open minded and flexible so that you can respond to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: changes quickly. It can also mean taking advantage of someone else. Yep,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: all that, I would say professionally, Like all.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: These women they owned the properties and were like renting
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: out rooms and.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean almost all of these women. It
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: was like either they were renting a room or they
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: ran a boarding house, they were selling a home something
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: like that. There was like so few of the victims
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: didn't fit that exact.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: Profile, like they're just trying to work man your deception.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: In a reading about love, The reverse seven can mean
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: apologizing for a mistake or injury. Perhaps you've betrayed, hurt
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: or manipulated someone.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: That's kind of an interesting thing that it's literally says injury,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: and that was like one of his last words. Yeah
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: that's so true. Oh my God, Like and he forgave,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: forgave the people who injured him. Yeah, God, blow me.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: However, this card can also show you assisting a partner
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: through a challenge or warning him or her against a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: risky course of action.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: That kind of reminds me of like the warning that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: went out to everyone, right, like, hey, don't be alone
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: in a house with a man ever.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Right never a Yeah, there is an extra excerpt I
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  Speaker 1: would just like to note it is from his holiness
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  Speaker 1: the fourteenth Dalai Lama. Tragedy should be utilized as a
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  Speaker 1: source of strength, no matter what sort of difficulties, how
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  Speaker 1: painful experiences. If we lose our hope, that's our real disaster.
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  Speaker 3: I like that. I know we always do.
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  Speaker 1: We always feel we let that fill us up because.
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  Speaker 3: We hear about all these families and people and they
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  Speaker 3: go through this horrible shit. Yeah, and we're like, oh God, like,
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  Speaker 3: how are you gonna survive after that, and then we
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  Speaker 3: get this beautiful quote I know, and actually I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a way to say this
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: about like what I have, and it's it's kind of
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: a short one. It's not like the length of a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: full episode, but the Patreon bonus like it just shows
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: like truly the length of the tentacles with a case
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: like this, and in some respects it shows like kind
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  Speaker 1: of the darkest aspects of this that like we haven't
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  Speaker 1: really even touched on. And then on the flip side,
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  Speaker 1: like what feels like kind of the closest thing to
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  Speaker 1: sort of like a silver lining in a way, And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I've just this one. I mean it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was rough to research and certainly a
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  Speaker 1: challenge to write up.
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  Speaker 3: But I think in some ways, like some of the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: aspects of it that it were the most intriguing to me.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: And then that kind of like in the end writing
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  Speaker 1: about it like made me feel like kind of hopeful
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  Speaker 1: in a way.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: I got to the end and I was like, this
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: is just like I simply can't like this cannot this
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: episode even part two, Like this is not going to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: be three parts, because I don't think we have three
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: parts here. But I was like, there's just there's just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: these things that like didn't quite fit in that, like
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't not make this part of.
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  Speaker 3: The overall experience. I guess, I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I just I'm excited about this Patreon bonus just because
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: of me too.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and once it's over and like we kind
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: of we we got our palate cleanser with the taro,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and it feels like this ended where it should in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: You know, mm hmm, that's perfect all things.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It's like you planned it, I know, right, Well, I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: literally texted you and I was like, okay, based on
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: current page length, like this feels like it may be
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: two parts. But sometimes when it's like this dense and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: like it's this dark, sometimes those end up going really
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: quick when we record because we sort of feel like,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: oh my god, like what do you even say?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: Like that?
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  Speaker 1: I guess this isn't one of our more comedic episodes.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, but like this one, I felt like, I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: mean thankfully it played out that there there was a
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: lot for us to just kind of like try to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: lighten things up. With a little bit, and I felt
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: like our discussions were good.
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  Speaker 3: It like adds value to Yeah, I think so, I
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  Speaker 3: hope so yeah. Otherwise just running my fucking mouth, you
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: know what.
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  Speaker 1: But that's allowed, so they can't stop us.
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  Speaker 3: Well, my goodness, should we do that? Faye? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: probably have a creepy day. We'll see you next Thursday.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: But not you, earl, like this is the end.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Of the road. Never Nelson, never now said the new
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Never Bundy, I know, never Clark, never Clark, or Virgil Virgil.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Wilson, Yeah, Virgil Wilson. I mean, this man had so
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: many aliases it's wild.