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GABBY PETITO FAMILY: LAUNDRIES KNEW OUR GIRL WAS DEAD. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: Is it real?
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  Speaker 3: According to sources, the FBI finally reveals that Brian Laundry
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  Speaker 3: admitted to murdering Gabby Patito in a notebook, and not
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  Speaker 3: only that a bombshell did Brian Laundry tell his parents
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  Speaker 3: that Gabby was dead? And yet they continued to pretend
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  Speaker 3: to Gabby Patito's family that they didn't know where she was,
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  Speaker 3: not answering phone calls, not telling them the truth, while
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  Speaker 3: her body decomposed and dispersed camping out in the wilderness.
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  Speaker 2: Is this real?
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  Speaker 3: Well, according to the Patito family and their lawyers, It's
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  Speaker 3: very real.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with.
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  Speaker 3: Us here at Crime Stories and on Serious six sem
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  Speaker 3: one eleven.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just take it back to the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: When Gabby Pottito was beaten by Brian Laundry and there
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  Speaker 3: were multiple witnesses that saw it happening literally on main Street.
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  Speaker 3: Yet somehow she was deemed the aggressor, was let go
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  Speaker 3: by Moab police and ends up dead and decomposing.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just start with the Moab Police department bodycam footage
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  Speaker 3: that is apologizing.
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  Speaker 4: Tone and get really frustrated with me and he but
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  Speaker 4: I can go to the car and told me, let's
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  Speaker 4: take a breathing.
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  Speaker 5: But I didn't want to sing a breather, but I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to get going.
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  Speaker 2: We're out of water, so I kind of made you
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  Speaker 2: more upset.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't help more upset.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so our goal.
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  Speaker 1: Was to come here and come rekill our water.
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  Speaker 5: Are you guys living the van right now?
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  Speaker 4: On travels?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Remember Gabby Batido had set off with her then boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: Brian Laundry. Now we know her killer on a cross
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  Speaker 3: country trip in her Ford transit that she had restored
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  Speaker 3: using her credit cards.
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  Speaker 2: And let me understand this with me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 3: But first two Melissa Ratliffe, ABC seventh Serrisota's digital content
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  Speaker 3: manager and journalist, Melissa, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Let me understand this. So she gets beaten in the face.
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  Speaker 3: Two witnesses see it and she's saying, I was a paulogizing,
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  Speaker 3: but I guess I apologized in a main tone.
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  Speaker 2: Did I hear that right?
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  Speaker 5: You did? We were all kind of stunned when we
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  Speaker 5: watched this footage together at the newsroom. We got an
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  Speaker 5: open records request and got it from the Moab Police Department.
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  Speaker 5: And what we saw, even though it was said that
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  Speaker 5: Brian had marks on him, was Gabby was utterly terrified
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  Speaker 5: and we watched her. She was shaking, she was apologizing
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  Speaker 5: as though it were her fault, and ultimately that's kind
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  Speaker 5: of what it seemed Moab landed on although there were
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  Speaker 5: no charges pressed. So what we saw was a terrified
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  Speaker 5: young woman and what we saw were the cops sitting
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  Speaker 5: her off with who would eventually be her killer. And
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  Speaker 5: it was absolutely devastating to watch and knowing that we
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  Speaker 5: couldn't reach through the screen to help her.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Karen start joining me, renowned psychologist, TV radio
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  Speaker 3: trauma expert. You can find her at karenstar dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Karen with a safe you try to find her.
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  Speaker 3: Karen, I actually feel sick inside having represented so many
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  Speaker 3: battered women taken their calls on the Battered Women Hotline,
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  Speaker 3: and I hear Gabby Patito apologizing and saying and I quote,
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  Speaker 3: I guess I apologized in a mean tone and it
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  Speaker 3: frustrated him even more. What she just got beat in
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  Speaker 3: the face and nobody did a damn thing about it.
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  Speaker 8: And Nancy, it's so symptomatic of someone who's been abused.
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  Speaker 8: Where they are, they are terrified of not being in
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  Speaker 8: the relationship. They've become convinced that they're not worthwhile, that
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  Speaker 8: they're causing all the problems. This could not be more
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  Speaker 8: typical and heartbreaking because she said it in a mean tone.
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  Speaker 8: I could just hear him saying to her, well, that's
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  Speaker 8: not an apology, it's an a mean tone, and always
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  Speaker 8: the threat of losing the person who she's become convinced
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  Speaker 8: she must have in her life.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of projecting what I think about it, let me
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  Speaker 3: have you listen to it.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to more than.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Is there something on your cheek here? Looks like did
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  Speaker 8: you get did you get hit in the face? Kind
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  Speaker 8: of looks like something like hit you in the face,
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  Speaker 8: all right?
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  Speaker 9: And then over on your arm, your shoulder right here,
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  Speaker 9: there's that's new.
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  Speaker 4: Huh have a new mark?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: Did I see the other side of your face?
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  Speaker 7: So what happens here?
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  Speaker 3: And here? So the cops actually see marks on her face,
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  Speaker 3: on both sides of her face.
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  Speaker 2: And on her arm. Let's hear it. Here's some more so,
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  Speaker 2: there's two people that came to us and told us
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  Speaker 2: that they saw him hit you.
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  Speaker 5: There's two people saying that they saw him hunch you,
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  Speaker 5: which is independent witnesses.
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  Speaker 9: By Moonflower's honest way, First, where'd.
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  Speaker 2: You hit him?
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  Speaker 7: He stopped him first.
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  Speaker 3: So two people see Brian Laundry punching her in the face,
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  Speaker 3: and she says, well, I definitely started I slapped him,
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  Speaker 3: but instident tree Melissa Outlook.
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  Speaker 2: That's when he locked.
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  Speaker 3: Her out off her own van and was going to
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  Speaker 3: take off without her, and she had to try to
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  Speaker 3: get in through the window off her own transit.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a struggle over being locked out of
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  Speaker 5: the vehicle and at which point they were eventually separated
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  Speaker 5: when molap we arrived on scene.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm so angry. I'm so angry Melissa. This
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  Speaker 3: is her transit. She's out in the middle of nowhere.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think she had her phone. I think the
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  Speaker 3: phone her phone was in the car. She had nothing,
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  Speaker 3: no ID, no credit cards, no phone, and he's taking
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  Speaker 3: off in her car and leaving her out in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of nowhere. She's trying to jump in the window
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  Speaker 3: and somehow she's the bad person.
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  Speaker 8: And she's there with little him. She's a little girl
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  Speaker 8: and saying she's saying she's lapped in like that means
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  Speaker 8: anything at all.
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  Speaker 2: Melissa, is that what happened?
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  Speaker 5: That is what the police support seems to indicate that
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  Speaker 5: there was a shuffle of getting in and out of
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  Speaker 5: the vehicle they were driving when they were pulled over,
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  Speaker 5: But prior to that, there had been a lot of shuffling,
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  Speaker 5: and we know we saw the footage of them in
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  Speaker 5: the store prior to They seemed okay at the store,
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  Speaker 5: but there was just so much tension and I don't
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  Speaker 5: know how it was an obvious from Gabby's body language
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  Speaker 5: and how she was shaking, and the marks were very visible,
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  Speaker 5: so it felt like she was taking the brunt of
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  Speaker 5: his anger and putting the blame on herself. And it's
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  Speaker 5: heartbreaking to watch because she just gets sent off.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you're giving me so many flashbacks.
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  Speaker 3: Melissa Ratlift Melissa joining us from ABC seven Sarasota's digital content.
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  Speaker 3: She's the manager and also investigative journalist. I've got an
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  Speaker 3: all star panel. I'm going to try to get to
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  Speaker 3: them right now, but I just want to say that
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  Speaker 3: this is giving me so many flashbacks domestic violence victims
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  Speaker 3: I represented in court and women I would speak to
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  Speaker 3: on the Batter Women's Center hotline when I manned that
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  Speaker 3: that somehow they always thought it was their fault, Like
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  Speaker 3: one woman was beaten so badly, And this one really
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  Speaker 3: sticks out in my mind.
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  Speaker 2: She was in intensive.
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  Speaker 3: Care and there's always a quote reason and for the
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  Speaker 3: other of you, you can't see me. I'm doing air quotes
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  Speaker 3: for the beating. And this time her husband called and
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  Speaker 3: said he wanted Mexican food for dinner, and she made
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  Speaker 3: tacos instead of enchilada.
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  Speaker 2: So he beat her into the ICU.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and she actually thought it was her fault because
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  Speaker 3: she made the tacos.
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  Speaker 2: And not the enchiladas or vice versa.
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  Speaker 3: But I hear Gabby Petita going well, I guess I
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  Speaker 3: apologized in a MEANTIMEE. So you know what I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to get to whether or not his parents knew she
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  Speaker 3: was dead and did they lie about it to Gabby's
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  Speaker 3: parents knowing her body was decomposing somewhere. But one last time,
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  Speaker 3: take a listen to more of the MOA police body
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  Speaker 3: cam footage made it clear that she.
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  Speaker 4: Was the primary aggressor and that she was striking you
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  Speaker 4: and you were deceived injuries you haven't admitted to striking her.
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  Speaker 4: She has no advantages you striking her. The witness did
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  Speaker 4: not see you strike her.
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  Speaker 10: So at this point you're the.
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  Speaker 8: Victim of a domestic assault.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to take this in small twenty what
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  Speaker 2: is she said? You could definitely defend yourself against But
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  Speaker 2: at the.
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  Speaker 5: Same time, tomorrow, if you want to, it's up to you.
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  Speaker 2: You can.
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  Speaker 10: You can't because you don't have a charge.
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  Speaker 9: For you now tomorrow.
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  Speaker 8: If you wanted to be again with her again tomorrow,
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  Speaker 8: let's take your radio if you wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Did I hear laughing at the end of that. I did.
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Riley joining me.
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  Speaker 3: High profile lawyer representing the dad, Joseph Patito and the mom,
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  Speaker 3: Nicole Schmidt with Snyder and Riley trial lawyers. You can
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  Speaker 3: find them at Snyder and Riley dot com. Patrickreiley, did
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  Speaker 3: you hear that they actually said to Brian Laundry, the murderer,
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  Speaker 3: They say to him, you and I quote you have
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  Speaker 3: done nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You're the victim.
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  Speaker 4: I did hear that. Nancy and the past I have
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  Speaker 4: represented victims of domestic violence as well, and it's the
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  Speaker 4: story sounds eerily similar to things I've heard in the past,
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  Speaker 4: and you always hear the story, Well, I wish something
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  Speaker 4: had been done, and we should step in because we
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  Speaker 4: want to prevent future harm. And this is the perfect
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  Speaker 4: example of why there needs to be proper education and
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  Speaker 4: training of law enforcement to step in at times like this,
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  Speaker 4: recognize the danger involved and who the true victim is
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  Speaker 4: and take.
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  Speaker 5: Action, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Also with me Bill Garcia, licensed private investigator at Bill
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  Speaker 3: Garcia Investigative Services and renowned professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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  Speaker 3: author of Blood Beneath My Feet, host of Body Bags,
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  Speaker 3: with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott Morgan joining me. Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 3: did you hear at the end where the cop is saying, hey, tomorrow,
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  Speaker 3: you can pick her up if you want to, if
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  Speaker 3: you want her back, and they.
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  Speaker 2: All start laughing. Ha ha ha ha.
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  Speaker 3: Scott tell me about Gabby Potito's murderer and how her
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  Speaker 3: body was found, what conditioned in which it was found.
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  Speaker 10: The setting is or the Grandeta is the Grand Tetans
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  Speaker 10: National Park. It's this beautiful, beautiful yet very isolated location
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  Speaker 10: in Wyoming, Nancy, arguably by some one of the most
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  Speaker 10: beautiful you know, federal parks in the US. Everywhere you look.
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  Speaker 10: It's just this is grandeur.
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  Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, Joe Scott, Yeah, sure.
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  Speaker 3: My parents had their I think fiftieth wedding anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: We all flew out there.
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  Speaker 3: And just before I had the twins and I got
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  Speaker 3: off the plane.
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  Speaker 2: I was coming from New York LaGuardia. I flew out there.
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  Speaker 2: I got off the.
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  Speaker 3: Plane and I looked up and I went it literally
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  Speaker 3: to I gasped. It was so beautiful. I've never seen
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  Speaker 3: anything like it before.
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  Speaker 10: It just seems like it goes on and on forever.
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  Speaker 10: What a contrast between there and Manhattan, you know, but
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  Speaker 10: it goes to the isolation of it. This location where
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  Speaker 10: you know, this poor fragile young woman's remains were found Nancy.
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  Speaker 10: The thing that's so haunting to me about it, having
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  Speaker 10: covered this case now loath these many months and years now,
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  Speaker 10: is the fact that she was out there, her remains,
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  Speaker 10: her mortal remains, were out there all alone. And you know,
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  Speaker 10: you know, I sit back and I think about, was
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  Speaker 10: there a plan all along to take her to this
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  Speaker 10: location and dispose of her in this manner? What was
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  Speaker 10: going on? You know, she didn't have the opportunity to
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  Speaker 10: appreciate the beauty out there. All she saw was the
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  Speaker 10: terror and the fact that she's with an individual that
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  Speaker 10: has obviously abused her over probably a protracted period of time.
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  Speaker 10: You've got these marks that were visible on her body
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  Speaker 10: at you know, when she's first assessed by the police there,
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  Speaker 10: and she's so diminutive, Nancy, I mean, she's very fragile.
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  Speaker 10: She runs me of my daughter, who approximates her age,
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  Speaker 10: looks a lot like her, you know, very thin, willowy, beautiful,
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  Speaker 10: very gentle. And you know she's at the hands of
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  Speaker 10: this guy and they're riding around in her own van.
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  Speaker 10: And you know, if you find her remains all these
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  Speaker 10: months later, all these weeks later, Nancy, after he's done
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  Speaker 10: this d to her at this point timing, Yeah, she's
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  Speaker 10: decomposing out there. Let's just let's say it like it is.
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  Speaker 10: You know, you're talking days upon days upon days that
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  Speaker 10: her body is left out there in this literal wilderness.
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  Speaker 3: When you say decomposing, as a matter of fact, Brian
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  Speaker 3: Laundry had murdered Gabby and left her body out there
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  Speaker 3: to be torn apart by animals. When we say they
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  Speaker 3: were in dispersed camping for our family's very big campers,
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  Speaker 3: our veers, outdoor people dispersed camping. There's no porta potty,
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  Speaker 3: there's no electric hookup, there's no.
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  Speaker 2: Water faucet, nothing.
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  Speaker 3: You're out with the animals and there's nobody and nothing
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  Speaker 3: as far as the eye can see remotely akin to civilization.
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  Speaker 3: That was where her body was, Joe Scott, and it
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  Speaker 3: was in fact torn apart by animals.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, and here's the other thing. He disregarded her, you know,
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  Speaker 10: discarded her rather like garbage. That's the way he treated
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  Speaker 10: her in this location. After and let's keep in mind
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  Speaker 10: about the cause of death that was rendered by the corner,
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  Speaker 10: By the way, the corner did a fantastic job in
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  Speaker 10: this area of isolation, and how they handled this case.
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  Speaker 10: He wrapped his hands around her neck, her very thin,
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  Speaker 10: dainty neck, and squeezed the life out of her. Nancy,
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  Speaker 10: and I have very few doubts in my mind that
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  Speaker 10: he's looking her in the eye as he's doing this,
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  Speaker 10: and he is literally squeezing the life out of her
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  Speaker 10: till the point she can no longer breathe, and she
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  Speaker 10: just gives way and dies right there in his hands.
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  Speaker 2: And now we learn.
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  Speaker 3: That all alonge while his parents were fitting off calls
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  Speaker 3: from Gabby's family desperate to find out where is Gabby.
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  Speaker 3: They need take a listen to our friends at crimeonline
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  Speaker 3: dot com.
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  Speaker 9: Two days after he is believed to have killed his fiancee,
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  Speaker 9: Gabby Patito, Brian Laundry makes a frantic call to his
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  Speaker 9: parents on August twenty ninth, twenty twenty one. In this call,
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  Speaker 9: Laundry tells his parents, Chris and Roberta. Laundry, that Gabby
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  Speaker 9: is gone and he needs a lawyer. During depositions for
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  Speaker 9: the upcoming civil trial between the Potitos and Laundries, Brian
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  Speaker 9: Laundry's parents admitted what their son told them in the
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  Speaker 9: days after killing his twenty two year old fiance in
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  Speaker 9: August of twenty twenty one. According to Potito family attorney
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  Speaker 9: Pa Riley, Chris and Roberta. Laundry did not admit to
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  Speaker 9: knowing Gabby was killed, only that they were told by
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  Speaker 9: Brian that she was gone.
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  Speaker 2: And joining me right now.
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  Speaker 3: In addition to Bill Garcia, private investigator Patrick Riley, the
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  Speaker 3: lawyer for the Petito family, Patrick Riley, this is really
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  Speaker 3: reverberating with me when my fiancee was murdered. I was
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  Speaker 3: in school in a statistics exam. I walked across campus.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have a cell phone. I stopped at a
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  Speaker 3: payphone to call my job, which was the university library,
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  Speaker 3: to tell them I was on foot and I was
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  Speaker 3: going to be about ten minutes late. And they said,
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  Speaker 3: call Keith's sister. Well, I knew right there that something
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  Speaker 3: was very wrong. But when I called Keith's sister, I.
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  Speaker 2: Said, is Keith gone?
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  Speaker 3: And she said yes, And I dropped the phone, and
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  Speaker 3: I knew he was dead. Explain to me, in what world.
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  Speaker 2: When you say Gabby's go on and you're driving home
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  Speaker 2: in her for transit using her cell phone, how could
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  Speaker 2: they not know Gabby was dead?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, first, I'm sorry for that experience that you
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  Speaker 4: went through. I'm sure this sounds horrifyingly similar. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how he could do that, And I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how the parents, with a straight face as they did,
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  Speaker 4: could say that she was gone but refused to acknowledge
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  Speaker 4: that they knew that she was no longer living. And
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  Speaker 4: in court proceedings, when we have had a conversation about
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  Speaker 4: that statement made by Attorney Bertolino on September fourteenth of
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one, where he said that there was a
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  Speaker 4: search in the Grand Teton National Park for Gabby. We
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  Speaker 4: hope the search is successful and this family is reunited.
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  Speaker 4: They had the audacity to argue that reunited could mean
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  Speaker 4: reunited with her remains, and candidly, I remember thinking to
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  Speaker 4: myself at that time, I hope they say that to
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  Speaker 4: a jury.
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  Speaker 2: Could you explain that one more time? I just want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure I understood that correctly.
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  Speaker 4: Sure. The statement that was made on September fourteenth by
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  Speaker 4: attorney Stephen Berolina on behalf of the himself in the
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  Speaker 4: Laundry family was that they understand that there was a
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  Speaker 4: search going on in Grant Teeti National Park for Gabby.
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  Speaker 4: They hope that the search is successful and that she
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  Speaker 4: is reunited with her family. And my argument is, well,
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  Speaker 4: isn't that giving false hope to the family saying that
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  Speaker 4: they're hoping that she's reunited with the family. It's going
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  Speaker 4: to be a big, happy occasion. And their responses, well,
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  Speaker 4: it could also have meant that they were reunited with
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  Speaker 4: her remains, just like soldiers' remains are reunited with their
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: family when they come home from more.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, I've never heard of soldiers remains being a with
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the family. I've heard a family's taking possession of the
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: soldier's remains, but not reunited. I mean Bill Garcia with
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: me lecensed Pi at Bill Garcia Investigative Services.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: What does that mean to you? Reunited with her family?
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: To me, it would it would be an attempt to
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: try and calm things and give unwanted response to the family,
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: knowing what they knew at the time, and they were
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: hoping to, you know, make it, make it seem better
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: than what they knew it was. And so I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: it was simply an excuse to pretend that everything was
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: going to be fine and that and that Gabby would
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: be reunited with his family.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Well, it was curious Melissa rat left joining me ABC
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: seven Sarasota.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't they expect.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: That at some point we all find out that Gabby
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: is dead, that Gabby was killed. I mean, did it Laundry,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Brian Laundry tell his parents.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I need a lawyer.
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: There was so.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Much vagueness, if I could use that term, in those
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: initial days. I was here from the day one when
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: we still thought Brian Laundry that we're Northfolk Police knew
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: where brian laundry was, so we were watching this and
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: every press release I noticed came out with these very
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: very vague, sort of flowery we hope this will all
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: be all right, But then you know, later on, as
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: we continue to follow it and we got the full story,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: it became very clear it was very enigmatic trying to
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: keep it very very vague, and I feel it's hard
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: not to assume that that's for a reason. And it
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: felt like everything was done just to confound these terms
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: to be up to so that it would be confusing
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: for everyone involved, and that was just heartbreaking to watch,
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: especially when we saw Nicole Schmidt and Joseph Patito come
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: to Northport to try to get answers, and it was
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: just met with this ob tooth silence and vague language
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: that we kept had to keep watching and trying to
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: decipher until we got what we got from Brian's notes
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: later on, which I'm still torn up about that because
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: it still was putting the plane back on Gabby. Well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: when we got the the suicide confession that was found
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: with Brian's remains, he went into a great it felt
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: like he was putting in great effort to put it
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: as Gabby was asking for me to make this a
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: mercy killing on her. She was hurt I did this
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: and by my death I'm making up for That's not
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: the exact that's definitely a paraphrase, but it was very
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: much putting the blame back on her, and it felt very,
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: very reminiscent of the mo app thought to me that
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: this was still kind of in some ways her fault,
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: and that he hoped his death or he would be
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: eaten by animals like Gabby, would bring some peace. But
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: there's no peace because there's still so much confusion and
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: we aren't getting answers. That the deposition was the first
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: time we've had any acknowledgment from Roberta and Chris Laundry
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: that they even had an inkling of what happened.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: So in his notebook, he says Gabby Patito wanted to
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: die and wanted him to do a mercy killing.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: He was saying, she was suffering and she begged him
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: to kill her.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, I guess she begged him to beat her in
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: the face too. After killing Gabby Pettito, Patrick Riley Brian
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Laundry called home. He says, at least this is what
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: they're admitting to that Gabby is gone and I need
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a lawyer.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Gabby Batito's family says Brian Lowry's parents admit what their
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: son told them and within days they hire a lawyer
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: for their son, Steve Bertolino. Isn't that true?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct. I don't recall if it was
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: on the twenty ninth or of August or if it
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: was the next day that they called, but they immediately
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: contacted Attorney Bertolino on behalf of their son, and Attorney
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Bertolino took over from that point advised everyone to remain
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: silent and say nothing, and so they all remained quiet,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: except for Attorney Bertolino until the fourteenth when they.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Issued that statement, issued this statement about reunification.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Correct. They chose not to speak up prior to that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: They chose to say nothing prior to that and leave
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the Patito family hanging wondering where their daughter was. And
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: then they chose to express I would regard as false sympathy,
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: giving false hope to the family. It's just it's horrendous conduct.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: We are talking about a specter looming over the murder
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: of an innocent young girl, Gabby Patito that specter did
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: her killer's parents know all along she was dead as
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: they fended off ignored calls from her family begging for
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: information and then actually giving a statement that they hope
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: she's found soon and that she is reunified with her family.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I mean Melissa Ratler joining me ABC seven Serasota. To
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: what extent did the Laundries go to avoid the potitos?
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: We do know that in addition to the avoiding of
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: phone call that I believe it was Roberta who blocked
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Nicole on Facebook. So there was a lot of just
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: locking down of social media. I think Brian deleted his account.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: There was just such quickness done to keep everyone out
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: of being able to contact them, and thus when the
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: campaign started on social media to help find her started
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: reaching our newsroom very very shortly after she was reported missing.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: We couldn't even get a hold of Nicole Schmidt or
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: or a culturemate, excusing we could not even get a
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: hold of ROBERTA Laundry or Christopher Lovey. We are Our
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: attempts to get in touch with them for clarification were
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: constantly rebuff but also in the fact that they're just
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: not speaking to the parents who came all the way
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: down here to Northport to try to get answers when
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: no one knew where Brian was and they were still
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: had no clue where Gabby was, and they were begging,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: and still just silence, silence, and making sure that they
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: were holed up in their home away from everyone, despite
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: their being media outside, everything was just quiet.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And then even going on a camping trip with the sister.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Remember they went on a camping trip. You want to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: tell me they didn't.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Talk about where is Gabby on the camping trip? I
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: mean Patrick Riley, who was representing the Patito family. Isn't
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it true that the Laundry's actually blocked cell phones of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: the victims?
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: They blocked the self Roberto Landra blocked access to her
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: cell phone by Nicole Schmidt, and Nicole reached out to
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: her by text message and on several occasions, and then
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: subsequently discovered she'd been blocked.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Cut two five to three.
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: The attorney for Gabby Patito's parents, Nicole Schmidt and Joe Patito,
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: believe Brian Laundry told his parents and lawyer more than
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: what they will admit, so he's asking a court to
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: compel Attorney Steve Bertolino into revealing what Brian Laundry told him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: In the days after he admits Gabby Patito is gone,
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: but before Heavy Battido is listed as missing, Attorney pat
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: Riley tells WFLA that he wants to know what Brian
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: Laundry told Bertolino because he believes Laundry admitted more. Riley
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: also wants to know if Attorney Bertolino knew where Gabby
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: and Potito's body was located.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Wow, Patrick Riley, you think they actually knew where Gabby's
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: body was?
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: I do?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Well, really, how could they not? How could they not
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: ask Brian Laundry, where's her body?
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if the Laundry is knew. I
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: highly suspect Attorney Bertolino did. In his deposition when we
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: had a conversation about hiring a lawyer, he told me
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: that he called several law firms out in Wyoming, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: he also called the Public Defender's Office in Jackson. And
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: I asked, why did you call the Public Defender's Office
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: in Jackson of all the places in Wyoming? And he
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: refused to answer the question.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: And to you, Jo Scott Morgan isn't that where the
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: autopsy to wish you were referring was conducted. Wasn't that
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the jurisdiction where her body was found.
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: Yes, yes, it was Nancy, and you know, to be
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: perfectly honest, they did a fine job, you know, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 10: considering that they also had an uphill climb with this,
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: because you're talking about the remains of a young women
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: that have been down for a protracted period of time,
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: and though it's in the Grand Tetons, it's still a
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: warm environment, so decomposition would have sped up during that
• 29:28
  Speaker 10: time of year.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So yes, So how could they tell Joe Scott if
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: her body had been torn apart, starting to be torn
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: apart by animals, she was in the midst of decomposing,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: this beautiful young girl.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: How could they tell she was strangled dead, she was asphyxiated.
• 29:47
  Speaker 10: Depended upon how intact the neck would have been, they
• 29:51
  Speaker 10: would have been able to possibly appreciate what's referred to
• 29:55
  Speaker 10: as little areas of hemorrhage in the soft tissues that remained. Well, yeah, bruises,
• 30:02
  Speaker 10: but it's a it's a deep tissue hemorrhage because you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 10: applying direct pressure, not you the universal sense and in
• 30:09
  Speaker 10: this case Brian Laundry, by his own admission, applying direct
• 30:13
  Speaker 10: pressure into these very soft, malleable areas and you'll you'll
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: have these little areas of hemorrhage that are in dwelling there.
• 30:22
  Speaker 10: And of course we look at the other structures within
• 30:24
  Speaker 10: the neck, the cartilage, uh that's that's in the area
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: that we would commonly refer to as the wind pipe,
• 30:32
  Speaker 10: to see if it's intact, and also the highwaid bone
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: as everybody goes to. You look to see what the
• 30:39
  Speaker 10: what the status of it is if there's any hemorrhage
• 30:42
  Speaker 10: around that particular area as well. So there are many
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: things that we can look for. One of the things
• 30:47
  Speaker 10: that you might have trouble finding in a case like
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: this that we look for constantly in cases of oxygen
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: deprivation where you're being deprived of oxygen are particular hemorrhages
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: the eyes. Sometimes that's pretty difficult to find in decomposing bodies.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: If I might add, in addition to the trauma of
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: a loss of gabby and everything that they've gone through,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: there's a lasting memory in Jim Schmidt's mind, and that
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: is that he had to identify by photographs of Gabby's remains.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Question, did Brian Laundry's parents instruct him to pretend Gabby
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: was still alive?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to hour two five four from Dave mac.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: In the aftermath of Gabby Potito's murder, the Potito family
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: alleges that Brian Laundry used Gabby's phone to send text
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them.
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: Among the messages Brian Laundry is believed to assent is
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt, about Gabby's grandfather.
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: In the text, he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: Schmid has stated, Gabby never called her grandfather by his
• 31:58
  Speaker 9: first name and that was highly suspicious.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Two Patrick Riley representing Gabby Patino's family. Is there any
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: allegation or thought process regarding the Laundries instructing him to
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: send these fake texts?
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: I don't remember the timing of when those texts were sent.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: I believe one of them was sent around the time
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: that on the twenty nine to twenty he did contact
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: his parents. I don't know if there were any instructions
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: where there weren't, but we haven't discussed.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: You thought Brian Laundry came up with that all on
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: his own And I don't know.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: But we haven't talked about the letter Roberta. Laundry that
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: was discovered after Brian passed away.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, the so called burn letter. Let's talk about that.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: To Melissa Ratliffe, ABC seven, describe the so called burn
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: letter sent by Ryan Laundry's mother to him.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: This is one of the most interesting things I've ever seen.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: I've covered a lot of missing person cases. I did
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: Crystal Rogers in Kentucky when I was working at a
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: television station there. So you see a lot of you know,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: odd theories pop up here and there. But this letter,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: which eventually was released thanks to mister Riley. We got
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: that letter in the Smith Finia helped make it a
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: public and it was honestly a love letter in a sense,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: and said a mother telling her son that she would
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: always be there for him, and you know that she
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: would have a shovel available if ever he needed to
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: hide a body. Basically, now, out of context, she says, ROBERTA.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: Laundry claims that this is just a burn after reading
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: being their favorite book that's also a movie. It's pretty popular,
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: but in the end, the context of everything that happened,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: it's just an incredibly bizarre o from a mother to
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: a son. And that was made public eventually, and we
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: were all scratching our head like huh when that came out,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: just because the nature of the letter is a mother
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: who will be there for her son no matter what
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: he does.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Didn't she say I'll show up with a shovel, help
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: get rid of a body, something like that, and burn
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: this letter after reading.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: And the burn after reading things he said was because
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: that was their favorite book they had read together.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: What else did the letter say, Patrick Cryley, because that's
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: pretty damning well.
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Said three things that were interesting. One one said something
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: about if he hated her guts, she'd cut her guts out.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: There was if he needs help bearing a body, she'll
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: show up and bring a shovel, and if he goes
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: to prison. I don't recall if it was a saw
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: or a shive, but she would bake a cake and
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: put it in And to me, that almost sounds like
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: if it didn't if the letter wasn't written after was ga,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: after gab he was murdered, it almost sounds like permission.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Whoa, when did the letter her do we know?
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: No, it's undated.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Well, why would she be talking about burying a body
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and bringing him a knife in jail?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: Her answer to that is that's, you know, maybe poorly
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: chosen words, but that's how she and her friends communicate.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'd like to meet these friends.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I really would to. Karen start joining us. I think
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I need a shrink now more than ever. Karen start
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: jump in.
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, yes, we understand that a mother cares
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: about her son, but this is outrageous Nancy, because she
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: is not only offering to help him do something with
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: this body, but she is making other parents suffer. She
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: is keeping information from these two people who are desperate
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: to know what happened to their daughter. And you think
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: about how could she not put herself in that place
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: there she is offering to help her son get a shovel,
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: a shit, whatever she's saying, and not think about the
• 36:01
  Speaker 8: fact that these parents feel the same way, are really
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: in pain about their daughter, and she is.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Not coming through.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: It is just outrageous.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to hear the crux of this lawsuit.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: In our two five to five.
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: Gabby Patito's mother Nicole Schmidt and her father, Joe Patito,
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: are suing Chris and Roberto Laundry and their attorney, Steve Bertolino,
• 36:26
  Speaker 9: for intentional infliction of emotional distress, claiming they were aware
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: Gabby Patito was dead but chose to do nothing other
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: than release a statement expressing hope Gabby would be found.
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: The civil trial has been postponed several times, but is
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: scheduled to begin in May of twenty twenty four.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: To Joe Scott Morgan, the dichotomy of while all this
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: is happening, the fake text that Laundry is sending and
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I was just looking at the dates the fake texts
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: he sent from Gabby's phone, he left her body out
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: in the wilderness to be destroyed and decomposed, and eight
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: none by animals. He's sending these texts pretending to be
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: her to her family on August thirty. He speaks to
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: his family, his mother and father, on August twenty nine.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: The fake texts aren't the next day, August thirty. He
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: gets home on September one.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And they all go camping. Yeah, isn't that right, Jackie?
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Isn't that right? Melissa Rattlift.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: They go out to a state park and there's the sister,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: and there's laundry, and there's roberta laundry, the mother and
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the father and they go camping, right.
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's if I recall quickly, Yeah, they were all
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: going out and there seem to be if I recall
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: from the sisters interviews later, that there was just really
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: no talk about anything. It was just sort of a
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: We're just going to go camping and try to forget
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: about the.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: World, forget about the dead body decomposing. Yeah. The camping
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: trip was September six through.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Eight, So they're there intense and campers, and nobody talks
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: about where's Gabby.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: It doesn't sit right. It's like this it all sits.
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: It steels so intentionally ambiguous and buried in all these
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: questions of this is not a normal.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: Response, And so Joe Scott Morgan, what is the condition
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: of Gabby's body?
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: When they're all.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Out toasting marshmallows over the campfire in Florida.
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: It's one of these circumstances where you wish that you
• 38:38
  Speaker 10: could just grab them by their ear and drag them
• 38:42
  Speaker 10: out to this location and have them stand over these remains.
• 38:47
  Speaker 10: Many remains like this that I have unfortunately stood over
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: in my career and let them see what their little
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: angel has done, expose them to this degree of decomposition
• 39:00
  Speaker 10: that her body would have been at at this point
• 39:03
  Speaker 10: when they're going out camping at this location there in
• 39:07
  Speaker 10: southern Florida, to let them see, to let them see
• 39:11
  Speaker 10: insect activity, to let them see the activity of potential
• 39:15
  Speaker 10: animals that are there, and also to see what was
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: wrought at the hands of this petulant manchild that they've raised,
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: just so that they can bear witness to it. While
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: this family is wringing their home, their hands at home,
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: holding out hope that their precious angel is going to
• 39:33
  Speaker 10: come back home, and of course she's not going to.
• 39:36
  Speaker 10: But they're out recreating, they're on the Golden Shores in
• 39:39
  Speaker 10: southern Florida.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: To Patrick Riley, representing the Potitos, what exactly does your lawsuit,
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  Speaker 3: the Patito family lawsuit allege.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's it's a very an intentional inspection of emotional distress.
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  Speaker 4: Case is very limited. It's not like a typical port
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  Speaker 4: of negligence or or things of that nature. It's it's
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  Speaker 4: limited to a situation where someone has it's done something
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  Speaker 4: that's so outrageous that it causes emotional harm, and that
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  Speaker 4: they knew or should have known that the conduct they
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  Speaker 4: were undertaking, or the things that they were saying, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to cause that harm or were likely to cause
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  Speaker 4: that harm. In this instance, the case is based upon
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  Speaker 4: Attorney Bertolio statements of September fourteenth and September nineteenth of
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. In the fourteenth again, it was the
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  Speaker 4: statement where he said he hoped the family was reunited,
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  Speaker 4: and the result.
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  Speaker 10: Of that was.
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  Speaker 4: Joe Patito and Nicole Schmid and their spouses were going
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  Speaker 4: through conflicting emotions and thoughts about whether she's alive or
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: she's not alive. They're hoping that she is there on
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  Speaker 4: either end of the spectrum, and this statement gave them hope,
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  Speaker 4: additional hope that she was alive, so that when they
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  Speaker 4: ultimately learned five days later that she was not, the
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  Speaker 4: fall was even bigger than it would have been because
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  Speaker 4: of the hope that had been increased. The statement on
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  Speaker 4: the nineteenth made by Attorney Bertolino again on behalf of
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  Speaker 4: the Petito cup of the Laundry family, was the news
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  Speaker 4: is devastating. Her words to that effect, well, it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: news to them. They already knew.
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  Speaker 3: And specifically, their statement that Bertolino read is and I quote,
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  Speaker 3: it is our hope that the search for miss Patito
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  Speaker 3: is successful and that Miss Patito is reunited with her family.
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  Speaker 3: And according to your lawsuit, they knew she was dead
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  Speaker 3: in decomposing, as Joe Scott Morgan has described. Meanwhile, the
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  Speaker 3: day after his call to his parents, the Laundry sent
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  Speaker 3: a text message. Laundry sends a text message from Gabby's
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  Speaker 3: phone to her mother claiming.
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  Speaker 2: There's no sale service.
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  Speaker 3: And now Nicole Schmidt, her mother, interprets that text as
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  Speaker 3: an attempt to deceive her into believing Gabby Patito was
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  Speaker 3: still alive. Were the parents in league trying to Miss
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Lee the Potatos to Bill Garcia a private eye, Can
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  Speaker 3: we ever prove it?
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  Speaker 6: I think that would be extremely difficult. Fortunately, technology is
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  Speaker 6: such that they're able to connect the dots and see
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  Speaker 6: at what point these texts and calls were made, where
• 42:21
  Speaker 6: they were made from, and in what context, and hopefully
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  Speaker 6: can be all put together to be able to prove
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  Speaker 6: that Brian's family actually knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're right, Bill Garcia and Tom Melissa Rattle
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  Speaker 3: of joining US ABC seven Sericota's Digi content manager, Melissa,
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  Speaker 3: I look at things in black and white. What can
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: I prove to a jury? What is inadmissible? What's truth?
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  Speaker 3: What's I can't prove his truth, but I know it.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you if this were put to a jury,
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  Speaker 2: they would believe.
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  Speaker 3: The Laundry family need Gabby was dead, and continued to
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  Speaker 3: avoid calls by the Potitos put out this statement saying, Wow,
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  Speaker 3: I hope they find her. We hope she's reunited with
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  Speaker 3: their parents, all the while knowing that Gabby was dead
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  Speaker 3: and that their son made it a criminal lawyer. And
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: as Patrick Riley points out, it would be argued that
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  Speaker 3: they knew where her body was because.
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  Speaker 2: Out of all the world, they.
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  Speaker 3: Looked into a public defender in Jackson, where the body
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: was found.
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  Speaker 5: Melissa Ratleff, it's been it's so infuriating to read this
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  Speaker 5: because it does, indeed feel like common sense, like this
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  Speaker 5: does not add up. What you're saying, doesn't add up
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  Speaker 5: to silence and being up to some purpose. And I
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: wonder if it's just an attempt to hide behind maybe ambiguity,
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  Speaker 5: to try to protect the we knew she was gone.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: We didn't know she was dead, Like I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: but I wonder if the technology will ultimately be the
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: thing that helps put in the like put into place
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  Speaker 5: exactly what happened, if there's more we don't know about
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  Speaker 5: yet that they knew. And yeah, the coincidence alone of
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  Speaker 5: Bertolino calling it is the same day, it's on the
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  Speaker 5: twenty ninth, after they get a phone called, they calls
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  Speaker 5: Bertolino and then later he's making phone calls where the
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: body is eventually located. It's very much I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if I would say circumstantial, but you do wonder if
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: there's more to support it that will make it more
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: clear that everyone involved knew what was happening or not.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Riley correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But isn't it true that under the law, and this
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  Speaker 3: is read by judges every day to jurrrs as they
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  Speaker 3: instruct the jury as they go out for deliberation, that
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  Speaker 3: circumstantial evidence is to be regarded as strongly as direct
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  Speaker 3: evidences such as DNA or a fingerprint or an eyewitness.
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  Speaker 3: It's no less valuable or powerful than direct evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that true?
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  Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct because in circumstances like this, you
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: don't really have direct evidence. You don't have somebody observing
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: everything that occurs here and candidly. I've tried cases based
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: on circumstantial evidence in the past. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: too difficult to connect the dots in this case to
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  Speaker 4: show that the Laundries absolutely knew that Gabby was deceased
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: at the time that they had hired attorney Bertolino. Why
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: else would he need to be hired, why else would
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: they need an attorney, and then made those statements they
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: knew at the time that was done. There's no doubt
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: in my Mindey, and.
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  Speaker 3: Let me reiterate that the Laundry family insists they did
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  Speaker 3: not know Gabby was dead and they have done nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 2: We wait as justice on false Goodbye for