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Bewitched - Breaking the Spell After Spiritual Mentoring Goes Wrong - Andrea's Story · Reclaiming Consciousness

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Elise Bassine, trauma and breathwork expert, and creator of the Metamorphosis Method, the only methodology bridging the gap between spiritual healing and clinical trauma work.
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  SPEAKER_02: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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  SPEAKER_02: In this podcast, you'll discover my unique perspective on trauma healing and how it is the gateway to fully reclaiming your consciousness.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: You'll hear stories and teachings that expand your mind as you discover how every relationship challenge, business block, or limiting pattern is an invitation to reclaim the parts of your consciousness you unknowingly gave away.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_02: Get ready to go deep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now let's dive in.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_02: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_02: So onward we go with our Bewitch series.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: We finally have made the last few interviews scheduled, and we have 11 women total.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then we're going to cap it at that, even though we could have had so many more because I have so many people reaching out to me, but 11 felt like an auspicious number.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it also just felt like the last few women that we weren't necessarily planning to interview all had a very specific, not only story to tell, but just like experience and perspective that we felt like was super important.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: This week, you're gonna hear from Andrea, who you guys all know if you've been listening to the podcast, because she's been in my podcast many times.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_02: She's a dear friend of mine.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: And Andrea is just unique in every way imaginable.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_02: She has a very unique perspective on life, on the world.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: She's the most spiritually tuned in and psychically connected person that I've ever met by far.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: Her story, I think, is just very unique and very interesting.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm really appreciative of her perspective and sharing her story about her experience with Betty.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I think you guys are gonna really enjoy this one.
• 2:12
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• 2:17
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• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm going to teach you my process to heal your core wound so that your relationship with money changes.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, this is one of the things that I've been screaming from the rooftops is there's really only one thing that one pattern, one core wound that you recreate across all areas of your life, right?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: So your money situation and your quote unquote problems or blocks or struggles with money are no different than your relationship struggles.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: It just might be wearing a different outfit, so to speak, but it's the same energetic pattern behind it.
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  SPEAKER_02: So for example, if your core wound is I'm not enough or I'm not valuable, then that's gonna show up in your relationship to money, where you are going to expect to never have enough and you're gonna expect to not be valued through money and therefore create, you know, scarcity around it or fear around it, or not enough, or not feeling comfortable getting paid for your authentic genius or your authentic expression.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: So, however, it shows up, what I'm gonna show you how to do is pinpoint your core wound and how it's showing up in your financial situation, and you're gonna learn how to permanently dissolve it.
• 3:43
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• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: You will have the tools to release fear and start to experience real freedom because real financial freedom has nothing to do with how much money is in your bank account and everything to do with the way that you feel about how much money is in your bank account and the way that you feel about how money supports you.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_02: And you're gonna learn how to completely shift that inside the sacred money mind.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: And people always make more money when they do this work with me.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: They always have new opportunities coming in, they grow their businesses, they start businesses, they get promotions, they increase their incomes, they have miracle money coming in.
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  SPEAKER_02: It pretty much happens to everybody who does this work.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_02: So it's just a matter of coming in, learning the process, and doing it.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: And whether it happens immediately or it takes a little bit of time, it will happen.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_02: Jump in now, we will link it below, and the live portion will begin April 1st.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: I will leave it there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Please reach out with any questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I will leave it there.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoy the episode with Andrea.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, everyone.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode of our Bewitch series with me and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_02: Robin McKay.
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  SPEAKER_02: And today we have a very special guest with us, who you all know who's been on the podcast many times, here to tell her unique and wowing story of her experience with Betty.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: We have Andrea Donnelly here.
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  SPEAKER_02: So welcome to the show, to the series, Andrea.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the crowd goes wild.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is an honor and a privilege.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we started recording, we were already in a really good zone.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just excited to share my experience and to be here on this journey with everyone as we exit the matrix and guide ourselves home.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's just jump right in because you know, everyone already knows you.
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  SPEAKER_02: They know who you are.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we want to take this as chronologically as we can.
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  SPEAKER_02: So why don't we start at the beginning with your experience and when you started working with Betty and what really drew you to do that, where you were at in your life and why you made that decision.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Before I do that, I want to just say one thing that I think is important.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: As I move through my own journey, I want to just link one thing that really pops about why these conversations are important from a broader perspective, because I think that that also influences my own journey.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be brief and succinct, as it were, but um I think that as a culture right now, and there it is, I've already said the word cult in saying the word culture, these deeper cult energies run through all of our systems, all of them on earth right now.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Politics, religion, culture, education, entertainment, the out-of-tune perception of stewarding the earth and the land, everything is out of whack.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: And these systems leverage manipulation, targeting, shame, blame, and sleights of hand to keep people under their spell.
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  SPEAKER_01: What happened to all of us is essentially a microversion and a reflection of these broader issues in the in culture, on the planet, everywhere.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: And it feels so important as we navigate this reclamation of our individual and collective consciousness on a larger scale that we have these conversations about the stuff because it is embarrassing and it's so extra and frankly insane.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think there's also this way where I feel like she really targeted people with extraordinary spiritual gifts.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that was an effort perhaps to throw people off course.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I do, I think it's just part of that reclamation is like having these conversations.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that relates to why I think I got drawn in, which was your original question.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, one of the things that happened was that in 2020, when I started my business, I've always been wearing a tinfoil hat, like since childhood, frankly.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I I have always been very aware of the complex web of misinformation on the planet.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: And for a long time, I think it was harder to find a woman in public who was talking about these themes.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly there are the sort of like OG male weirdos like David Ike.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: And I studied for a long time with Drunvalomel Kizedek and people who have been out there, right, talking about these topics.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it was, it was different to find a woman who was talking about these things, and Betty was.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think like initially when I first heard her, I think it was in the end of 2019 on a podcast, and I was like, wow, someone who like sees the big picture.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that was really gratifying to know that a woman, I've always known that that was like part of what I came here to do was to really lead a lot of people home to themselves, to their own power, to their own magic, their spiritual gifts, to activate their spiritual intelligence, these things that I believe we all have.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, to bear witness to a woman who was having these really complex, nuanced, big conversations was very appealing.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: I should also say that there were also always things about the way that she moved and navigated that I didn't resonate with, but I felt for a long time like the things that were good really counterbalanced or outweighed rather the things that I didn't feel so resonant with.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: I want to ask you then a question because when I started working with Betty, it was for business purposes.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think Elise would say the same thing.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: For you, it sounds like you were drawn in not necessarily for the business reasons, but for the broader conversation and the way she was talking about how the world worked and peeling back the layers of how you understand the world works as well.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Is that accurate?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: That was initially accurate.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't start my business until 2020.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then at that point, it did pivot because I had been in like a smaller monthly program with her where she was tuning into what was happening.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I started my business in 2020, I did work with a different business coach who helped me start my business.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And a few years later, I ended up hiring her as a business coach.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that will get to that.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: But it definitely did not go as planned, I guess is what I will say.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: The part of me that was attracted from a business perspective is again relating to all of those things I just shared about how unusual it was to see a woman in the spiritual space having created this really impressive empire, having impact on tens of thousands of people around the world.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it felt like, you know, on the surface that there was knowledge to impart for me, certainly from a business perspective, about how to get there.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: I want to say, as far as we know, she was impacting tens of thousands of people around the world.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_03: Now we're not so sure.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: But it's as far as the marketing was conveying that was how she was hanging her shingle.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: When you first stepped into, we'll say a business program with her, what were you hoping would happen as a result of being in a program like that?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was hoping I would learn tangible things that would really help guide me into a greater level of success and understanding of how to run a business, what to do, how if you ostensibly allegedly created an eight-figure business, then in my mind you would have information to impart to me as someone who was just beginning and had, at least based on the shingle, similar lens of perception about how to like navigate the complexity of being a spiritually gifted person who was moving through a world that at least for me, there's a lot about this planet that makes no sense to me from an objective perspective.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like, wow, there's someone who possesses or at least claims to possess this level of spiritual intelligence.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so, what what can I learn from that to be able to understand how to navigate this complex clown world in which we live?
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't even remember the first business container you joined, but you joined a business container.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_02: Take us through what happened.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: I had been in that smaller thing that was just like a nominal monthly thing.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then eventually I ended up jumping into a program that was about the energetics of money, which I feel like was half business, half personal style thing.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: And from there, I ended up going into a 30-day challenge that she coordinated for people, which was to, I can't even say it without laughing.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: It was to help people leverage tried and true methodology, what have you, to jump into a$50,000 month.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think don't think that that happened for anyone in the group, even though the talk of the town and the blingy neon shingle that had been signed that had been put out regarding this, will said that it was going to happen and that if it didn't happen, that she would continue to guide you until you reach that point.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: None of that happened.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: But and I could be wrong.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: I have a question for you though, because you said you laugh, it's laughable now, but what was it about that challenge and that container that encouraged you to step in?
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: Was there something in particular that stands out for you?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because that you must have taken it seriously enough to step into it.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: And again, for me, I operate in a way that's really different from most people.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: I have extraordinary acumen by way of spiritual intelligence.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I the healing modality that I created is unlike anything I've ever heard of.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: It really activates a powerful restoration of miracles.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: And the reason I draw that in is because for me, I know I have this incredible gift and this incredible product, as it were, if we're gonna put those words on things for the world through this modality I created called future medicine.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, I was like, I've always known that I came here to help a lot of people.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, yes, making$50,000 is fucking amazing.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Who doesn't want a lot of money in a world that requires a lot of money?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: But it was beyond that.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was this like realization, right?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: If I had a month where I was making$50,000, how many people was I impacting, creating like an actual effect, a ripple through people's communities, helping people in these ways that to me are urgently needed.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, yes, let's do this.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that to have people of good hearts and minds to to essentially reclaim our energy from this false matrix and start to be able to have access to resources to create real reclamation.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: That to me, I was like, I want that.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_01: If she has this wisdom, like sign me the fuck up.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember this.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember you fully believing that that could happen and other people too, because I knew other people who did it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so what did you actually learn in that container?
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And did you move towards making that$50,000 in any way?
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like what was the outcome?
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: I did not hit$50,000 in 30 days.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: But okay, this also ties into the other big draw for me.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: I feel I'm like feeling emotional as I'm about to say this.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's lonely to be really spiritually gifted.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's really lonely.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I did not plan on crying like this.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is anyway.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's been beautiful.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a really cool, beautiful journey.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen miracles unfold for myself and the people that I've worked with so many times.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I also really believe in the power of miracles.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: My entire life, I've literally survived because of the power of miracles.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so I believe things are possible that other people would simply be like, oh, that's ridiculous.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Get the fuck out of here with that uh wishful thinking, that ultra delusion.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: So to me, it was also so cool to be in the company of all of you, right?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is the other big thing, is that she attracted these extraordinary people, funny people, kind people, people with like massive vision.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things I always say in my work is that each of us possesses this unique lens of perception and essentially like a part of the puzzle through which we are restoring consciousness.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, to meet people who were my peers, not that I didn't know people who were spiritually intelligent, like I've been on this journey in a conscious way since I have memories as a baby, basically.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I've always been doing a lot of things to cultivate and remember my own power and gifts.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's not that I didn't know anybody, but it was really different because she really did attract this extraordinary group of people.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: That was another thing that I think really hooked me in was like, wow, to be able to be in the presence of other women, not just her, but other women who had created these incredible businesses and bodies of work to help other people and to really reignite this thing that is like my greatest passion to was another really big draw.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's also part of why I got sucked into this program.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I started to realize pretty quickly that there were some ways beyond that that were good.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: There were some things about consistency that for me were like good to have like that carrot dangling, to have her reminding us every day, like, here's one way to do this, do this, do this.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I did learn.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I can't deny that there were some things that I did learn.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And my business did start, it was brutal in some ways because it was also if you were not doing exactly what Betty told you to do, then you were it punished.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: Give us a specific example of how you were punished if you didn't do exactly what she said.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I believe I'm remembering this correctly.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: If it wasn't within the context of that, it was in the longer container that was born from that experience, which I idiotically signed up for in retrospect.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: But during that, there was definitely a time, and then in the the mastermind that followed, where like I asked a question or didn't understand something, and she literally would swear at me or yell at people on calls.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: When she would swear at you, what I can't remember exactly what it was that I asked her, but at some point in this like window of working with her, there was a messaging support that was baked into the offer.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember asking a question that she felt like she had answered or she didn't think was thoughtful enough.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I rambled a little.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I also have some like neuroatypism and learning disabilities, and I process things by talking out loud.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's baked into my human design.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm something called a five-one self-projected projector.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Self-projected people are very unusual.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: And we literally make sense of our thoughts by reflecting them out through our through our big old mouths.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, I work with people too, right?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want people leaving us like rambly things that are incoherent and don't make sense.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: But part of the way that I process things is being able to talk them out with people.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, whatever it was that I asked of her, I remember being, I felt a little nervous to ask it anyway.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then I went in and I asked this question of her, and she just went off on me.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: She was like literally like dropping F bombs and basically made me feel like I was the most imbecilic person that like had ever lived.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that was a trap, especially with she and I, because I have a lot of stuff that happened from a family perspective.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Growing up, I had a very challenging childhood.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: And there's been a lot that's happened to me over the years that's been really intense, really heavy stuff.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, I felt like there was this like lack of actual like safety to be able to really like leverage resources that I was paying for that were meant to be helping build my business.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And instead, it was like that narcissistic pattern, right?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: For anyone who's ever had narcissistic parents or what have you, a spouse, a mentor, anyone, there is this way where it's like this walking on eggshells thing.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's oh my God, if I don't like work through my question perfectly and type out notes so that I don't ramble and like maybe this time I won't get in trouble and she won't fire me.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Because that was the other thing is like behind the scenes, aside from my own experience of what it felt like to try to actually request help to build my business, where it felt like often I would be attacked.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: That there was also this like broader thing where I saw Her doing this to other people where it was almost like triggering people in this way, where like years ago, there's a story of a friend of mine who had been on like a public transportation, and there was a person on the train who was like going through and basically like locking eyes with people on the train and then essentially telling them what their greatest fear was.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: And the my friend was like, it was startlingly accurate.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: This thing that she said, I kept trying to dodge her gaze, and then all of a sudden it was like I accidentally made eye contact.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then she said this thing about me that I don't think I've even ever said out loud.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like that kind of energy, which I think is also harder to pin down, right?
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because there are a lot of people who can brush that off as wackery, but there was like this way where I feel like again, that there was just this way where if something would bother an individual, it was like that was getting activated behind the scenes.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds like that some of the childhood trauma was definitely triggered in this relationship.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: And it also sounds like if it's me, and you know, I was in a lot of her spaces and I look back on it, she just had such a disdain for humans.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: She really had a disdain for us, which came through in how she would swear or how she would criticize or how she would publicly humiliate or shame somebody for asking a question.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: Elise, is that how you're understanding it too?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, I think that's one of the conclusions that we've come to because as we've been doing this, we've seen a lot of patterns, right?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: And some of the things that Andrea said already go along with the patterns that we have seen in everybody we've spoken to, which is that they were drawn in because of the other women in the space.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_02: And then the fear of getting yelled at and shamed is like a big thing.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then also taking your trauma and using it against you, I guess you could say, is another theme.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I think then it also makes you feel like you're in this space where you can't really lean in and get support, and then you're not really being given any tools or help to create the outcome you want to create.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: So then you're just stuck because you're like, I can't, I don't want to ask because I'm gonna get yelled at, but I also am not getting what I need.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: So those are some of the themes, and it it makes total sense.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted to go into, and this is something that I find interesting, right?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: So no one got the$50,000, yet somehow everyone continued or a lot of people continued to work with her.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, why do you think that happened?
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Say, like, you brought your car to the mechanic and he was like, Oh, you paid me, but like I actually didn't fix this.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: But if you pay me again, I'll fix it.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like everyone would be like, bye, I'm going to another mechanic.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: What is your interpretation as to how that happened?
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think she made it all about us, right?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: She literally blamed us for the fact that we didn't do it, but in blaming us for the fact that we didn't achieve the goals, she also dangled this carrot where it was like, Oh, I thought that all of you were further along than you are.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so the thing is, I just didn't realize what an effort it would be essentially to try to get all of you to this place.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that all of you were further along.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so she like turned the tables on us, right?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Where it was like, I know I said that I had this wisdom.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oops, psych, I won't be honoring the fact that I have claimed that I was gonna help you until you reach that point.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: If you want me to do that, you're gonna have to pay me because you're such a project.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is my experience.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, but I want to give some perspective on that because I started my business back in, we'll say 2011, 2012.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't have my first 50K month until, I'm gonna say, let's even just call it a 40K month until like 2018.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: I had my first 50K month, yeah, probably 2018.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: There's a lot that goes into that.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_03: There's sales conversations, it's not just energetics, there are very, very practical things that go into being able to have high-level conversations with people in order to facilitate an alliance that brings in 50K in a month.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: That was a big ask.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I I look back at the qualifying criteria for something like that, and it didn't seem like there was any.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: If they're if there are beginning business owners who are stepping into that who haven't even hit a 10K month or something like that, that just yes, of course, anything is possible, but that's a lot of heavy lifting for newer business owners.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: And right, like I had only started my business in 2020.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: This was in the fall of 2022.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm lucky/slash like really good at what I'm doing.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I had pretty quickly started to make money in my business, but there were these things that I had simply not learned yet.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing for me, too, is there were some quote unquote practical things that were shared, like templates and stuff like that.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: But again, it felt like to me, the highest point of embodied intellect and wisdom of any kind is to take information, synthesize it, and make it your own, right?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: That is literally to me the fucking clown show of most higher education is that you're parroting back.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: You can't have an original idea.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I was always in trouble about this in college, where I would write, people would be like, This is a personal essay.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is actually a way of me showing you that I understand the material.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh duh.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what the fuck is happening here?
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, a template is good.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: And Alif knows this because I need a template, but I'm gonna take the template and I'm going to tweak the template, I use it as essentially a map so that I understand how to re-weave my own wisdom into it.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the way things will work for me, right?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like when I am doing that, I am magnetic and people hear me and they understand what it is that I am like here to help guide them through.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: And so there was also this way where it was like, if you weren't doing exactly like the template I shared had five bullet points and you're doing this wrong and this wrong and this wrong.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that's not helpful.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I also begin to question like how at some point, how is that helping people if they're being told that they have to follow this really strict thing that's not even working?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: So, what finally convinced you that you were going to step into that longer program?
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't hit a 50k month, but I had started to get more momentum.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is also like part of what potentially, I don't want to put words into other people's mouths, but because she did attract such an amazing audience of people, just being in her presence and having her share, tag me in a post, like that kind of a thing did end up actually driving people to me because she had a much bigger audience than I do.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that it was like this complicated thing where it was like, is the technique that I'm being sold actually working?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Or is it because like she literally has a much larger audience on a platform?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like this that kind of question of what is it that's actually helping move things along?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: But my business did start to generate more money, my audience started to increase.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: I can't deny that those things were happening during that arc.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: In fact, I think was that in the fall of 2022, I think.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then by the beginning of 2023 and the first four months of 2023, I had not hit again a 50K month, which I have never to date experienced yet in my business.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I did in those first four months of 2023, while we were in the longer six-month version of that first thing, I hit a higher amount of revenue in those first four months of my business that year than I've ever made at a job working for someone else in four months.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so there were things that were catalyzing and expanding, and there were some moments of like cool success, but I was also getting really burnt out before I started my business, also in a little bit of the aftermath of it, but I had previously disabled in chronic nerve pain that I use my modality to heal myself from.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone who's ever had any kind of like chronic illness of any kind, chronic nerve pain, knows what I'm talking about.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's like a level of burnout that you have when you're chronically ill that's just insurmountable.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was this weird thing where on the one hand, I was making more money in my business.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: On the other hand, I'm literally embarrassed to go back and look at pictures of me in 2023 because like my hair looked like I had been making out with an electrical socket.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was like so tired in this way where it was starting to feel like I had felt when I was chronically ill.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was also aware of the fact that there was some energetic interference that was happening that was like doing something to me that was really destabilizing.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, even though I was making money on paper, there was something really out of sorts behind the scenes where you would never have known that I was quote unquote succeeding more than I had ever succeeded, because I looked and felt like a train wreck in a lot of ways.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: So let's go into that a little bit because I know that there are things that as we like progress onto this story that you felt were really messing with your energy as far as like working with her.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: But how would you describe that?
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_02: And how do you make sense of that?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: I guess is my question.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because as we're going through the story and you start going into this other container and you do start making more money, obviously, one of the themes we've been talking about in all the episodes is like the good outweighed the bad, right?
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_02: Until it didn't.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: So obviously, we're still kind of at the point where the good is outweighing the bad.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: You are making a lot more money, but now you're also starting to feel bad and your energy is deteriorating.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: So, what how do you make sense of that?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: To provide a little broader context about me and my story.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: I was born into a family that had profoundly complicated intergenerational trauma.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people were all affected, I think, by these energies, as I mentioned at the beginning.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, it was particularly intense because of the family that I was born into.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: There were things about my childhood trauma, things that had happened like over the arc of my life leading up to that point that were part of what I was attempting to clear and reframe for myself and part of like my personal journey of reclaiming consciousness and my calling all of my magic home to myself.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I think for me, I was like perceiving that the interference was coming from that ancestral energy as opposed from her.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: And what's interesting though is that I also, again, you said it, the good outweighing the bad.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: There were these moments of like profound clarity that I would have where I would be like, I think something is like out of sorts, where I would understand that it was coming in part from her.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then it was, it was like YouTube beautifully named this bewitched, right?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: That element of spell casting where it's like there's that, what is it in Men in Black where they've got the little like zapper where they zap people's memories, right?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: It was like it felt it felt like that.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_01: Cause I told you a bunch of times, Elise, you know this to be true, that I was not gonna be working with her anymore.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I would gear myself up for it.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: I said it after the 30-day thing, I said it after the six-month thing, and I did.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I told her I'm taking a break, I'm gonna integrate, I'm not moving forward.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then somehow it was like I would just get mind-wiped for a minute.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I would even forget, but it was like this weird thing where it just felt like I just got hooked back in.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: So that reminds me, we're gonna hear from another woman coming up.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking about the telepathic phone calls, and she said she would actually hear Betty's voice coming in through like her occiput or something like that to join a class or something.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: And she would do it and she would say, Oh, there was the telepathic phone call.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: But it makes me wonder about like the energetics of the implants and the hypnotic suggestibility and that kind of thing, in terms of overriding a person's natural and sovereign sense of agency.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have any thoughts on that, Andrea?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess I have all the thoughts on that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I I do, I think that that was like a big part of it, right?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's so fascinating how there are still parts of the population that don't acknowledge the power of energetics.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: And we all do.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: So let's we all do.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about mind control implants, shall we?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I I mentioned at the beginning why I think this is so important.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: The thing about this planet, from my perspective, and why I mentioned at the beginning that what she did feels like a micro version, a reflection of these larger energies.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: What better way to throw a bunch of people onto a hinky timeline that's not their divine timeline?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the blueprint that they chose to incarnate to move through and re-steward sovereignty to the world, than to essentially target and find a bunch of spiritual geniuses who have some real serious work to do down here on this dumpster fire of whatever is going on.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Is it a prison planet or who even fucking knows?
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: But whatever is going on down here, we need people of good hearts and minds to be out here messing it up.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, that's one of the ways that the system itself sucks people in and keeps people trapped, is through these energetic implants, through massive interference, through using energy as a weapon, essentially, to really like target and throw people off course.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's not surprising to me from like a broader perspective, as someone who, again, at the beginning I mentioned I've always been wearing a tinfoil hat.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: To me, I'm like, yeah, of course, that makes all the fucking sense in the world.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: Find a group of geniuses who are meant to really do some powerful stuff, through, throw them off course, throw them onto a hinky timeline that's not the one that they're and I also believe that we have the power to reclaim all that, restore it.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: We have so much power, but if we are unconsciously, or even consciously allowing other people to hook into that and essentially drain those resources through these energetic imprints and implants, it will throw you off course.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: It will make it so that you're not succeeding in the way that you want to or are meant to.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I do feel like what was happening when I really put it in like a broader context, I feel like that was what was happening.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for sharing that.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I think this kind of takes us into like the next part of your story.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I just want to say too, so many people have reached out to me about this and and people who also worked with this person who did say that to Robin's point and to your point, that they felt like they had been psychically attacked by her.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: People have shared things with me about that, and and I've experienced that too, where I could just feel an energy that I knew was from her, that was there.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, and we all know how to handle that and clear that whatever.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I've done that, but people have had this experience.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: So this is nothing new, but I know that you felt it very strongly in multiple different ways.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that, like you said, because of your specific circumstances and your things that happened in your life growing up and all of that, I think you felt particularly vulnerable to that.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_02: And there were certain ways that I think you got targeted that I think were more intense than some other people.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: So why don't we go into you were in that six-month container and then we all went on the retreat, and then you didn't, but you had an experience.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: So why don't we go into that?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: So that would have been the retreat in San Diego, right?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: I chose not to go to that retreat.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: I did not feel like it was well received for me to say I was not gonna be going.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: I have a question.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: When you shared that you were not gonna be going, what were the repercussions of that consciously?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: What were the specific things that were said that made you feel like it wasn't well received?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like there was an implication that I was like not showing up for myself somehow by not paying her to do this thing and go on a retreat that I was getting a very clear no from my own intuition.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone who knows me will reflect this back.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: I move to the beat of my own drum.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: And if something, if I'm being clearly shown that I shouldn't travel somewhere, then I'm not going to do it.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was literally scared to tell her no, which is also outrageous because people of Earth, learn from my experience if that's possible.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: If you're afraid to tell someone no, that is a really fucked up power dynamic.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: If you're afraid to quit something or to leave a group, then you are in a cult based on my perception of this.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, I am not diagnosing anyone, but I am saying, like, I do think that there's this way where, like, if you're in any relationship where you're really afraid to say no to someone that is codependent, that is enmeshed, that is really like violating, it's not a vibe.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember exactly beyond that, but I remember being very scared to say that I wasn't going to be attending that.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: I was made to again feel like I was somehow failing myself in not paying a lot of money to go do something that I didn't want to go do.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I also had something else that weekend that I was like a personal celebration with some family friends that I really wanted to attend.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: There was also something else that was happening in my personal life that weekend that to me was like very meaningful that I really didn't want to miss.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: But even still, even if you had just not wanted to go because you didn't want to go, you didn't have to have anything else.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: You just were like, I don't, I don't want to go.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: And so the pressure, the high stakes, sort of pressure tactics to get people on board, to not miss out, to say that you're abandoning your own business or you're not showing up for yourself or whatever.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_03: Those are all high pressure tactics that I think we all experienced at one time or another.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then that fear of saying no or saying that you're not going and the repercussions of that is another red flag for sure.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_03: I said yesterday on our debrief from last week's podcast that we need to stop fucking telling people they're in cults.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_03: We look at high control groups and things like that because there's such a charge around cult, as you know, Andrea.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not saying that you needed to not say that, but just like those are the kind of the signals that maybe I should look at this relationship in a different way.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't mean that if someone says no to you, you might not be a little disappointed or whatever the thing is, that's fine.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: But when you are using these really intense high pressure tactics where you're gonna like blame and shame someone.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing is too, is there was also this constant thing that was always happening where people were always being fired as clients.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so the other thing is if you look at what drew many of us to the space, which was this extraordinary group of people, and then even if the mentorship is not what was promised and the business guidance is curfluoey, but then the people are amazing and you are collaborating more and experience and greater exposure, then that's like part of the control mechanism.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: But behind the scenes, if you're not doing exactly what I tell you to do, there's always a chance that I might fire you.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: And she was always talking about clients she had fired.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like very much like a oh, like I don't want to be the next on the chopping block vibe.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be fired by her because when she would fire clients, you were banished.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: And not only were you banished, but there was likely gonna be a bunch of shit talk said about who you were as a person and what you were doing as a work.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like that, was frankly like unsettling, right?
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody wants that for themselves.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, and also I remember too, and I'm sure you remember this, that as things went along and I started to become closer and close to a lot of people, there was one point where somebody left.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: She didn't fire them, but they left because they didn't want to work.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: She's actually gonna be on the podcast, but she left because she didn't want to work with her anymore.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, Betty makes her into the bad guys.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: She starts talking all this crap about her, accusing her of serious things that I find to be very inappropriate.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_02: And this is somebody that I consider my friend.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's somebody who I've hung out with and Person who's met my kids who I have a real relationship with.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: And then I was made to feel like I wasn't allowed to be friends with this person.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, but she's my friend.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna not be friends with her.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like this goes beyond just like being in a mastermind together.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like I consider this person an actual friend.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember thinking, like, is she trying to implicate that I'm not supposed to be friends with her?
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's how I felt.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that is that the manipulation tactic that was used on all of us because you don't want to be the one who's ostracized from the group.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_03: I remember actually that same person.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Betty didn't use the friend thing on that person with me.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: She went after this person's husband and started comparing her husband to somebody who was holding her back and things like that.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: And that became a very subtle predictive program around how she was going to eventually do her best to undermine my own relationship as well.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: So there were these sort of signals early on, I think, that we all experienced in different ways, but basically isolating the person who was out and creating again an in-group and an outgroup, creating an us against them pattern, which we know is, as we have demonstrated over and over, is a very, very dangerous place to be.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so then let's go into we all go on the retreat, and then what happens for you?
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you guys go on the retreat.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: I travel out of state to go to this amazing personal celebration with my oldest friends, people who are family friends who've literally known me since I was a baby.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm also, it was like I was, as I mentioned, like stone cold, exhausted.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_01: There were these ways where I felt like I was just in like a constant state of fatigue.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was really hard for me to get there.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: But I made it, I get there.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like having a lovely time with everyone, in spite of the fact that my hair looks like I've been making out with an electrical socket.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: I want to bookmark this for some number of minutes from now when I'm done with this question.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: But my health again had started to be really affected.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: I started to lose my hair.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: There were these ways where I was, I was experiencing chronic pain again and just like this level of like exhaustion that was not normal.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_01: I had struggled with things for a long time and then I had cleared those things from my field.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then it was just like boop, here they all are again.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm both having a nice time with everyone and I love all of these people I'm visiting with so much.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: But then I was also like, there was this way where I was just like stone cold exhausted.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I'm getting ready to travel back home.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: The morning I'm traveling back home, you guys are across the country in San Diego.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_01: I had been, as I've now mentioned multiple times, previously disabled off and on for I don't like 15-ish years by chronic nerve pain.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: I had been in a bunch of car accidents and I went through like an arc of 15-ish years, a little longer than that, where I would get into a car accident and then I would, it would take a really long time, but I would somehow recover.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then oh, I would get in another car accident and then another and then another.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was like this thing where by the time 2000, I think it was 16 had hit, I had been in two car accidents and a five-week window of time, and that had built on two previous, and then also ones I had been hit walking, which I often forget to add into the whole mathematical equation of our accidents.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm bringing these things into the story because I had gone through these really arduous moments of time where I had really worked deeply in my own field on my on future medicine to restore myself, seeing chiropractors, investing a lot of my own time and money into I was on tons of medication for chronic pain.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a whole fucking thing that took years for me to fully, fully recover from.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: And when those accidents had happened, they all happened at a point where I was starting to get some personal momentum going in my life.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: To me, when I talk about getting hooked onto a hinky timeline that's gonna disrupt you and move you off course, those were moments in my own life where I perceived that from my perspective to be true.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows where that was coming from?
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: But also I do think it was impacting me where it was like I can look at those times where those things happened, where it was like, oh, I had finally once again started to get some good stuff going.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I was like doing cool things in my personal life.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe things weren't perfect, but I was starting to like get some clarity and feel better and was healed and wasn't struggling so much, and then boop, fucking punched in the face again by another car accident.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_03: We've talked about this a couple different times, at least, about leaving the victim persecutor-rescuer triad and entering into the space of being the creator, that you're never a victim and that kind of thing.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so in this situation, Andrea, I wonder if you can speak to that because I can't imagine that Betty would have come to you and said, oh, poor thing, or she might have demonstrated some empathy, who knows?
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_03: Because she was capable of doing that occasionally, whether or not it was sincere.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's me being sarcastic.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm just curious about that because from a like a psychological perspective, well, you've got this history of that, maybe you're undermining yourself or you're tripping yourself up again unconsciously.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_03: How do you understand that, like from a psychological perspective, and then also from a the coaching alliance dynamic?
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just bear with me while I weave these things together.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: There are like 20 different things that are affecting this.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: We love how you think, sweetheart.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Robin.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: When you think about this concept of victim savior, I am one of the most magical people that I have ever met.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: People have been telling me since I was a small child that I am a future person and really magical.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: At least you've seen me do things like literally build a roaring fire atop a block of solid ice.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: I saw the fire on the ice, by the way.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not playing with the same deck of on completely frozen woods.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: You saw you see that.
• 50:37
  unknown: Okay.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be there next time.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: I a couple of years ago, I was having a conversation with someone and I was gesticulating like I want to do, and I saw all like actual light come out of my palms, and the other person saw it too, and looked at me and said, I saw that.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: I am not playing with the same perception of reality as other people.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: This has been my truth since I have memories as a child.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think probably every life I've lived on prison planet clown show Earth, it's been like that for me.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard for me.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: I can only suppress so much.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: And by me, I mean that these systems of misinformation and energy targeting and interference, I believe, are actually here and thrive and exist to both suppress our magic.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think I am a lot closer, a lot more fine-tunedly aligned, as it were, to these truths.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: But I believe everyone on earth is a creator being.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think that we all possess these gifts.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think that the call to action now is to really harness these energies back home to yourself because I think that they're basically our gifts, which I think we all possess, are being harnessed to fuel a dark matrix of bullshit.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: How does that then go into?
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think everybody does too, but you especially have this unique perspective, unique ability that gives you a unique way of looking at this thing that happened.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like there's just this way where if what I believe to be each of our objective truth, which is that we are creator beings, then what again, greater way to fuel a false matrix of bullshit and oppression, violence, chaos, then to like hook into people's fields and basically suck all that magic away from them.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: You guys both know that I think the word luge, like compared, like that's such a gross word, but it hits the mark, I think, in terms of for people for our guests here who are listening who are more of the tinfoil hat wearers, that idea of luge is something that gets spoken of in the we'll say, like the tinfoil hat canon.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so to me, if our magic is being so heavily suppressed, and there are, we'll say, like agents of the Matrix out there basically like scanning the field to say, oh, that one's gonna be trouble, that one's gonna be trouble, that one's gonna be trouble, we're gonna go and run some like real hinky interference in the exact flavor of interference that will like fuck a bitch up.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like Robin, you talked about how for you there was the like foreshadowing that was being played out in relation to that other colleague and friend of ours about their husband, and boom, what better way to destabilize you in particular than by doing these things that you talked about on your beautiful episode from last week.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_03: It was your body, it was your physical plane, it was your yes.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for explaining that because that's occurring to me, Elise.
• 53:45
  SPEAKER_03: You and I have also talked about how we really believe that our gifts were being siphoned and used by Betty, because probably she's simply a replicator and not a creator, anyway.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: So when we look at, I said this once when we were in Croatia, because everyone was in such a heightened state of awareness, everyone was constantly in fear.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: And anytime we would get calmed down, Betty would start spinning shit up again and making it so that everyone was afraid again.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I said to the group at one point, I said, you guys, our adrenaline is like ambrosia.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that's what you're getting at here for you is that what a great way to siphon off your adrenaline and your fear than to again create the conditions for this accident that you were in and so on.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_03: I know that gets to a deeper issue, but I just wanted to bring that forward because I think it's something that's important to call forward.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: Was it the whole time that you thought that she was somehow psychically attacking you or doing something to destabilize you?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: Can you just speak to anyone who's like, I don't understand how she could do that?
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_02: Who's somebody who's just like, I don't get it?
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: Can you speak to that a little bit maybe in layman-ish terms?
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then also how you knew that that was the case.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: I could just feel it.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: There was just this way where I just knew.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: And and I get, okay, like what you just described of someone like listening to this and thinking, like, how is any of that possible?
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that part of it is energy is a lot more complicated than most people understand.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_01: I saw a meme a couple of weeks ago that I feel like beautifully articulated this that says something like, People believe in Wi-Fi, which is basically energy magic, right?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: But then you tell them, oh, let's build on that and say, yes, it is, in fact, like mysterious wild energy magic, and then take it a step further and start to realize that vibration is real.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: One thing that really pops in this whole conversation is there is certainly a need for all of us to remove ourselves from this like victim savior dynamic on earth.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_01: But also, we're on a planet where I really believe, and I say this often in my work, that the conditions are such on this planet that we're being hit from so many different angles.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: Our food has been interfered with, the water, the air that we breathe, the soil has been demineralized.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like we are taught over and over again, taught in quotes from every system that exists that we have to be looking outside of ourselves and all of these things that the answers are to like live in a certain way, be a certain way, do certain things.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we're being tampered with, from my perspective, from so from every angle.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_01: And it feeds into my lifelong belief that we are far more powerful than we understand.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because if we were not, then like none of this would be necessary.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: We wouldn't need to be destroying the food supply and making it so that we're in this like constant state of chaos and fear and financial uncertainty and stress and global drama.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Since I've been a small child, there's for the most part been like endless war on Earth.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: These things I think are meant from like a meta perspective to really destabilize people and make it so that most people just don't have the bandwidth to be like that wacky woman who's reminding me that I believe in Wi-Fi.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let me take it one step further.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like they're just burnt out, they're fucking exhausted, they're scared, they're in like a constant state of fight or flight.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I think one thing about the new age that gets like a big middle double middle finger from me here.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: Do we want to be victimizing ourselves?
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely not.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: Also, the new age really fails, I think, to address the fact that there is a lot of complex interference that is affecting people's ability to create a life that they love that is like in concert with that greater truth.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's this way where it's, oh, if something bad happens to you, it's because you created that for yourself.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_01: And fuck that.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: There are moments where, you know, we certainly as humans need to nut up, as it were, and like take command and start to act.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying it's gonna be easy, right?
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_01: But there are these ways.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_01: Again, like my life was complicated because it was like challenging, but then also full of miracles.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I believe it's all true.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: But it also to me to act like if you're living on a planet that's really, you know, essentially trying to suppress your jam or your truth.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: I remember she used to say this thing about basically anytime someone was having a problem that was something like, what must someone believe about themselves to create that?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, man.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like at some point, like we have to stop victim blaming people.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: We're alive in this very complex place.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever the reason, realm, planet, I know whatever is going on down here.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, yes, do we all need to like powerfully reclaim our own sovereignty and take responsibility for that?
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: Abso fucking lutely.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: Also, are we being messed with?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: Abso fucking lutely.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's all true, and that's one of the clusterfucks of being a human, is that it requires you to have this perspective where you're able to see that like multiple different things can be true at the same time.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_02: And I think you just gave an example too of one of the things that I talk about a lot, which are just these things that she would say to blame you and not help you and also send you into this perpetual tailspin of trying to figure out, oh, now I have to figure out what I believe about myself.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like, how is that helping?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like this perpetual hamster wheel of trying to figure out something that there's really no answer to.
• 59:55
  SPEAKER_03: So on my end, Andrea, as you were speaking about this, I thought early training in metaphysics and whatever law of attraction, and or we'll just call it the universal laws, would suggest that we have all the power.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_03: And what we're not told is how much the energetic weather patterns on the planet affect us, much like our physical weather affects us as well.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_03: And so I think that that's the thing that was missing a lot, not just from Betty's teachings.
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: I use that word lightly, but just from the general tenor of whether it's the new age or the metaphysical community or whatever.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_03: So we have to, I think that that's a piece of the puzzle that we have to now and in the future take a look at not just our role, but what are the weather patterns around us that are also affecting.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: So I want to move into now the next retreat because I think that that was, and if there's anything else you want to say between that, but I know that that was also something that you felt like you couldn't say no to because I know you actually didn't want to go to the next retreat in Santa Fe.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm glad that you went, as I'm glad that Elise went as well.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_03: But I know that that was a that was a tough one for you.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, take us to Santa Fe with you, please.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: I had said no initially to going to that retreat because I had just, I don't know, some number of months prior, four, five, six, six months prior, had this very serious injury.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: I did not feel like physically capable of traveling.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: Again, the aforementioned years of me having this off and on previously disabling nerve pain.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm no stranger to traveling with a very serious level of physical stress.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: I did not want that from myself.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: I said no initially.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: I've been to the place that the retreat was in, Santa Fe, a few times prior.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_01: And there were just some things about it, like I just didn't want to be there.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: I said no.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then it was like, oh my God, the guilt trip, the attacks, the making it about something about like how I wasn't showing up for myself.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: There was a post, which I'm sure you guys will get into or have referenced on other episodes of this, but there was a post put into the mastermind we were in at the time that was basically like attacking all of us for having not signed up and like creating this like thing about how all of us were basically just like epic jerks, longer, more flowery language surrounding that, but really coming at all of us because at that point, I don't think anyone had signed up.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_01: Elise, you and I talked about a behind the scenes where I had my own things going on.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: My business had also prior to joining this mastermind, I had my reasons for not wanting to go.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: I had said no.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: You had your reasons for not wanting to go.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: And she actually, after I said no and you had said no, she went behind the scenes, if I'm remembering this correctly, and she reached out to you to basically tell you that you needed to tell me that you would be like my baby nurse, essentially, and we had to go.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so we all got like strong armed into doing this thing that nobody was wanting or asking for.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: And furthermore, from my end, my business had started to feel very complicated at that point.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was injured again.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was funny in some ways because my clients were having these extraordinary things happening in their lives.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I was definitely still like bringing my A-game in terms of helping people, supporting them, guiding them.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like there were really incredible things that were happening for my clients.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, it was really hard for me.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: I had to slow down a lot.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was not making as much money as I had before I had joined this quote unquote business mastermind, which was like an insane joke, by the way.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean like a bad joke.
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to go into that for a minute before we go into the retreat?
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_02: Because I forgot about that chronologically, because I know you also said you didn't want to do that, and then you ended up doing it.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: I told her no because I just had a feeling that it wasn't really what I needed.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: But again, she like made it into this thing where she basically talked me into unquitting, quitting, and we just do what we're doing down here in clown world.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_03: I have a question for you about that.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because there have been several times where you've said no and then your no is not respected.
• 1:04:27
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm just curious, what does that feel like in the body when your no is not respected and you change your mind?
• 1:04:35
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think that that's an important deeper question to explore just for a second.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: It feels really bad.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_01: It feels really like stressful, it feels really ungrounded.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: It feels like physic from a physical perspective.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: I think when you're being like either coerced or psychically attacked in any way, one of the big like physical symptoms is just like a constant fear of almost like internal exhaustion and shakiness, right?
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where like you can never just feel safe or comfortable.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_02: Do you remember anything specific she said to you to make you change your mind or anything specific she said or after you said no?
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember after we had been in that six-month group, then when it was time for me to move on, I had told her I was gonna take some time to like integrate and just take a breather.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: And she came back at me and was like, you are what was it?
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: She had this metaphor that she would use that was about like a train moving forward.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: And when you Betty loved to talk about how you got your momentum going and you're moving and you're on the train and the amount of energy that it takes to put the brakes on, da da da was like would exceed what would be required of me to be able to rise to my next level.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: And this I think is like really messed up and manipulative, specifically as it relates to me.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was not.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Making the kind of money that on the surface was like the requirement for this mastermind that we were all in.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing again better than I had ever done before in my life.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: Those four months at the beginning of 2023 were like knocking it out of this world.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_01: But also, I was still not at a point in my business where it would have made sense for me to be like being in this group.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, no, don't worry about that.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: Even though on paper you're not quote there yet, you have the mindset of someone who is, and that is true, right?
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like I mentioned at the beginning, like I fundamentally believe in miracles.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have seen myself succeed in ways that are beyond anything that is like possible on paper, and in terms of like intellect, shared experiences, visionary capabilities, like you guys are my people.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so that is true, but also there is like the financial reality.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I knew that if I joined, that it was going to be like an undue level of stress I didn't want for myself, which is why I had said no.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then I got talked out of saying no because I was basically like shamed into feeling like if I wasn't receiving her support, that I somehow wouldn't be able to like keep up with this pace or that I would be ironically sabotaging myself.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I say ironically because the sabotage was not to say no, the sabotage was to get tricked into saying yes.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like that was that was actually the thing.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's important to note that none of these investments were$500 a month deals.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_03: The masterminds were, I don't even know how much the masterminds were because those were included in my private coaching, but a couple thousand dollars a month, probably.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: The retreats were expensive, not to mention the time investment as well as the travel and the energy investment in the whole thing.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was a lot.
• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_03: It was a lot of energy, money, time, effort to invest in these.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so there's a lot of pressure that we put on ourselves in order to be able to generate the income and exceed the income in order to be able to justify being in these things to begin with.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: And when you're not quite there, you're not quite there.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_03: You knew that, but then there was a twist, and you stepped in.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I stepped in, and then a couple of weeks later I got injured again and I had to slow way down, and I was not, it became a really serious financial stress for me to remain in that space.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I also just wasn't seeing the results.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like we would get on calls for those masterminds, and I would get on the call for those masterminds with a question about something relating to my business, and then somehow the question would never get answered.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden, you guys saw it over and over and over again.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_01: I would ask a question, and then all of a sudden, somehow my trauma would be brought up.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_01: I would be like horrendously triggered.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_01: There was just this way where I was getting annihilated emotionally on these calls to the point that people would reach out to me after the fact and be like, Are you okay?
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: And like to imagine that, to imagine that you're paying someone who's supposed to be your business mentor because you believe that they possess some acumen that they're going to help you understand about how to grow your brand and your business.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're just like getting not just nonsense, but extra fucking energy violence.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, I want to speak to this for a minute, Andrea, if you don't mind, because I witnessed it and it really bothered me.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_02: It really bothered me because I felt like for you especially, like every time you tried to get help, she instead of giving you tangible things to do with your marketing, with your programs, with how to actually like structure things in your business, she always made it about your trauma and like your fear, and would say some pretty ridiculous things to you, in my opinion.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like people were putting curses on you and crazy stuff that was so incredibly unhelpful that I think it destabilized you in a lot of ways.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: And then beyond the destabilizing, it also didn't give you any sort of tools or guidance on how to make more money.
• 1:10:34
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think that there's this way where you understood that right about me.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_01: And I appreciate so much that you were able to just help me through that process because there was this way.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Again, we I think this has come up a couple of times about this like idea of finding the trigger that's gonna really destabilize a specific individual.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, there that was like the way that she did that for me.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: And there were different ways where she did that for other people, but it was literally like, oh, the joke is on me again because I got on this call where I had a simple question about like how to expand my business.
• 1:11:11
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden I'm being told that I'm hiding from money and that that someone is cursing me.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like whether someone is or is not cursing me, give me some fucking like real world, serious ways to be able to actually succeed.
• 1:11:27
  SPEAKER_01: This is patently not helpful.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not only is it not helpful, but there was this way where I feel like it made people who didn't know me as well in the group think that I was a total wackadoo.
• 1:11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would anyone the whole point of me joining this mastermind in a lot of ways is to like build relationships, collaborate with other geniuses, right?
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_01: You stuck with me, at least.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on your show a lot.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_01: We collaborate, we've done some really cool things with each other over the years because you knew me outside the context of this.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: But of course, they're looking like a fucking nutter butter.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Who wants to collab if I join this mastermind to ostensibly build relationships and community and collaborate with other brilliant people?
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, but then there's this bitch on these calls who is getting told that they're cursed and is crying and just so embarrassing.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like it did not build the relationships with some of the other people who didn't know me as well in the group because I was being thrown off course in this way, where like I looked like a fucking numbnut.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like well, you know, listen, we don't have the same connection that you and Elise have, but you and I have our own connection.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_03: And this is probably too, we could say this off offline too, but I never thought that about you at all.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, us working with the spiritual intelligence codes together and you doing your attunements for us, that was one of the things that I'm most proud of of the work.
• 1:12:50
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the reasons we were able to do that is because I got to see you in action when we got to Santa Fe.
• 1:12:58
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_03: And so shall we go to Santa Fe?
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_03: Will you take us to Santa Fe now?
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_01: We got talked out of saying no, all of us.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_03: I've picked you all up at the airport.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_01: You blessedly picked us up at the airport.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I can't pretend like we stayed at a really beautiful house with an incredible view, with a gorgeous backyard that was like full of bees and hummingbirds and all kinds of beautiful.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: There was like a massive, I think it was a rosemary plant back there.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: The elements and the natural world are a really big part of what I love about this planet.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so there were things about that retreat.
• 1:13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Again, the other people, the people who were there were so cool, so interesting, so dynamic, so moving to the beat of everyone's like unique, again, have said this, but each of our unique lens of perception, it was so much fun to be in community with other people.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then there were these other ways where it was like really stressful and really hard.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_03: What was something that stood out for you as being really stressful and really hard?
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: I am not and have never been a morning person.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Even with the time difference, I think having to be awake and present and moving like very early for me in the morning was like not something that was easy for me.
• 1:14:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we were told that there were going to be like windows of time that were blocked out for rest and recuperation and all of these things that like never happened.
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_01: I remember distinctly, I think it might have happened both the last day and the day before the last day, where we were told that we would have a little time to sleep in in the morning.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then it was just like literally right out of the gate.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: We were all being like woken up like six in the morning with these like messages about things that were happening and things that needed to happen.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like, I've rarely seen a scenario in which people are paying to receive something, and then it has somehow been made completely about the facilitator in this way that was like beyond, right?
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_01: This was for us, this was our retreat.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's what you thought you signed up for.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_03: You thought you signed up for a retreat that was for you, for your business.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_03: What was something that signaled to you?
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I guess that's a great question for all of us, actually, at the Santa Fe retreat.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_03: What was something that signaled that it was all about Betty?
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned at the beginning of this particular leg of the journey that you were our ride, right?
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: You graciously, so beautifully, you picked us, you scooped us up from the airport, you had your car with you, and so we were able to leverage your generosity in that respect.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_01: I remember we had free time one day that was like baked into the schedule.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_01: And everything that happened, it was like I was broken up from all of you over and over and over again.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: You were my ride, and everybody knew that.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: And yet there were these times where I was consistently segregated from the group of the people who I felt comfortable with, who were literally like I was staying with all of you.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: We were sharing transportation and housing.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_01: And yet somehow I was always pushed out because of some need that she had.
• 1:16:04
  SPEAKER_01: She had to be in the car with all of you.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: She had to do all of these things about like basically making it so that I was left to like fend for myself.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't like, oh, the facilitator of the retreat has this need and it's just this one time.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: And thank you so much for adjusting your schedule to make it so it was like over and over and over again.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_01: It just happened so consistently, where like I was getting basically from my perspective, iced out of the group for whatever reason.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't that I didn't love the rest of the retreat participants, but she literally had a driver.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: And to create these scenarios where I'm expecting that as part of this experience of being on this retreat with all of you, especially since I had said that I didn't want to be there because I felt physically instable because I was still healing from this injury, to then create this thing that happens where like every time we're gonna go somewhere, every time we're going to need to travel or get in the car, it's like, oh, but actually she's taking your spot.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so you're gonna have to go fucking figure that out.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_01: It might sound small to someone listening, but when you think about the fact that we all paid to be there and the way that it was just like constant destabilization.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: To me, as someone who has some neuro atypism who doesn't handle certain things like a change in a schedule like that over and over and over again, that like gives me anxiety.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's not like an easy way for me to be in like a space that is meant to be like a safe space in which I'm collaborating and building my business.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_03: When you look at what a good host does or a good retreat leader does, they're going to be very, very concerned with the safety, the well-being, and the comfort of their guests.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_03: And that seemed to be as we have said, it's like a drum we keep beating.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_03: That was not the case.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_03: There is really not a lot of consideration for anyone else's needs except for her own.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: Only.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_02: There were some other really significant ways that she like destabilized you on this retreat.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to dive into those things.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: One thing, and again, this is like good and bad, right?
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because people got to see me in action.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: And Robin, you and I collaborated after you were able to see that.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: There were things that happened at that retreat that were really beautiful.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: But to me, as part of that thing of the energy that she was operating from, which is this energy of take, take, take, take, taking, draining people's resources, I kept getting thrust into this position over and over again of doing a lot of work for free for all of the participants at this retreat.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I am really generous, perhaps to like an idiotic degree.
• 1:18:53
  SPEAKER_01: I want nothing more than to help everyone that I can possibly help.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_01: But when you're on a retreat that's meant to be helping you, and you're not being paid to be a facilitator or to be like sharing your gifts.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: And it's again, if it had happened a little bit as a way of showcasing my gifts and my talents to be like, look at what she can do, like work with her, like she can help you in these ways, but it was like different than that.
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was like you're gonna come to this thing where you've been sleep deprived over and over again.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's not really exactly enough food.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And if anyone says anything about it, oh, their head's gonna be fucking bitten off.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like like that kind of stuff where this is not conjecture.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: We know these to be methods of torture.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like these are the these are things that really destabilize people.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like all of these things were happening that were really destabilizing for all of us.
• 1:19:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then beyond that, I was being called to do all of this work for free in this way that she should have been the one doing these things for people.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: There was just this like level of disrespect.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing, I know we're like nearing time, and I don't want to forget this.
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: There were also a bunch of things that happened where one day in particular, we were all outside doing something by a creek, and she basically went like around the group Betty did and said things to people that they had to do that were again in that way of being very specific and personalized that were, I believe, now, and even at the time, I was like, this is all hinky.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is bad advice.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: These are things she's saying to she told multiple different people that they had to end relationships with husbands or partners.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_01: None of it felt right.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_01: She attacked me, she attacked my diet.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm celiac.
• 1:20:47
  SPEAKER_01: I've been see, I've known that I was celiac for a long time.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I know what works for me from a diet perspective.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: She attacked my diet, she which like, and I never asked her.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: That was like never something that I like wanted or needed from her.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: I understand what works for me and my body.
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, and she also like housing for me has always been like an evocative experience.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_01: I again have never had the kind of stability that I think some people end up with on earth.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_01: And housing has been complicated for me.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's been a lot of instability, both like financial and just like my life was very complicated for such a long time.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_01: And she told me that I needed to move.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_01: All of this stuff again, it was like it felt very much like, ooh, I can see that this is gonna be like the shit that's gonna really destabilize a bitch.
• 1:21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so here it is, you have to go do this thing that you literally never asked for.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_01: And now you're being told is like the thing that's creating your problems and recreating your patterns.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if you just leave your spouse or quit your thing or what just like all of this just fucking garbage that I like knew as I was listening to these things she was telling people, I was like, none of this feels accurate or true.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_01: This all feels really suspicious.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was also really hard for me to like bear witness to, aside from the ways that I think she was destabilizing me.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was very evident watching what was happening at that retreat that to me it became very clear that this was even bigger in terms of the way that she was aiming to really throw each of us off course.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_02: Going deeper into like how that housing comment destabilized you moving forward, because I think that you went with that and you for a while did think that you were going to move, it was very destabilizing for you.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_02: So I think we I would definitely want to go into that.
• 1:22:50
  SPEAKER_02: And then also I just want to go into your perception of the whole climax of the retreat with the I did.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_01: I entertained the idea for a little while about this idea of me like relocating somewhere, and it was interesting because while we were having that conversation at the retreat, she was like, You know where you need to move.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh, and I said a place that was a place that to this day is one of my soul homes and is a place I do would love to like if I I have a vision for myself that someday I'll have retreat centers around the world.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I would love to have one of my home bases be in this place.
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I said it out loud and she was like, no.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then I said a different place that was another place that I thought about potentially being or whatever, and she was like, no.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just kind of like came up this whatever.
• 1:23:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even gonna say the place because it doesn't matter really, but it was just like a place that was not a place I had ever considered moving.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, you have to move there and you need to figure it out and basically do it now.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's also not a way that I operate.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_01: I am someone who, for a variety of different reasons, I need time to integrate and process.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_01: As I had mentioned, we all know that moving is a financially arduous experience.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_01: I've lived in eight states.
• 1:24:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's not fine just financially, it's energetically one of the most stressful things that you can do.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_03: And if I recall correctly, like you had already put down like a down payment on a new apartment that you were so excited about.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_03: You were on this path going into that time of your life.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_03: At least you were really excited about it as well.
• 1:24:28
  SPEAKER_03: And all of a sudden it was like this whole thing got just effed up.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_03: F'd up in terms of where you were supposed to go when you were supposed to supposed to.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_03: So I want to talk about that.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_03: The supposed to, I want to talk about it in terms of inner your will, your inner volition.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_03: What did you try, if anything, to uh stabilize yourself during that time?
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_03: How did you make sense of it and make it be what seemed to be a good idea?
• 1:24:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was really trying to stay open if it was something that like would be meant for me.
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_01: And in my experience, when things are truly meant for me, they tend to unfold very easily.
• 1:25:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a human, okay, and like shit's gonna happen.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Things are complicated.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes like stuff like requires juggling acts and whatever, like, especially for someone like me who didn't necessarily have the kind of support or stability in my life at any point prior to this.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like it was like really destabilizing for me in some ways.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Not that I want to play the suffering Olympics or make this like, oh, what she did to me was like the worst, because that's not the point of this.
• 1:25:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I think for a lot of people who were drawn to her, there were ways where people were like fundamentally more stable because of their lived experience, because of the support that they had from like family or finances or community, you know.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, or in the level of childhood trauma and head injury, all of those things all play a role in how well you navigate change and disruption to your routine and things like that.
• 1:26:03
  SPEAKER_03: And so we all had something happen around helping us when she started telling me that the reason I wasn't selling 100K packages is because my husband was holding me back.
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I shared that with you.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, she pulled me aside.
• 1:26:18
  SPEAKER_03: That was a private conversation she had with me, is the reason is because he was impeding my progress.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, you're not going to be selling these packages because his energy is too oppressive or something.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile, of course, my husband is always very excited when I'm doing well in business and and whatever.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_03: So I tried to make sense of that.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_03: So, how did you, in your mind, how did you make sense of this idea of moving someplace that you had never thought of before, especially on the heels of having found a new apartment that you loved and all the things?
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Especially on the heels of having like found something that seemed like it would be a really cool opportunity for me.
• 1:26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I ended up backing out of that, of this apartment that I had put a deposit down on, which I lost, by the way.
• 1:27:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I started trying to look at places in the area that she had told me it was a really important part of me holding the energy for this vision of essentially like the planet's ascension, as it were, for me to be in this place.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_01: But it was like everything that would normally again, if something was meant to happen in that way for me, it was like nothing worked.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing I did worked.
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: My business just continued to dry up and become like very stressful.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like didn't feel financially possible for me to make a long distance move.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was like inciting this level of just panic and hysteria and instability in my life that was like feeding out through everything.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was just making me feel like so off course in this way.
• 1:27:57
  SPEAKER_01: It was like very evident very quickly to me.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_01: That it was terrible advice, that it was not my truth.
• 1:28:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that I needed to like very as quickly as I possibly could course correct.
• 1:28:09
  SPEAKER_01: And it led me down a number of months, like leading up to me quitting, um, which happened in January of 2024, where at least we were talking a lot behind the scenes, and I have been telling you for months that I just I was like, I don't want to do this anymore, but I'm also frankly afraid to quit because there were still so many people who were heavily spellcast by her.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't want to like have the experience of quitting ruin me in any more ways than I feel like I had already been negatively affected and destabilized by being in her space.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: It took a while.
• 1:28:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I knew for months, mostly through like the fall of 2023, leading up to when I resigned as her client in January of 2024, that I needed to do it and I didn't do it and I didn't do it and I didn't do it.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then all of a sudden, it was just like circumstances unfolded where there was literally like I had to do it, and I did.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think that this whole thing was particularly infuriating to me because I had actually supported you very deeply in creating stability in your life.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_02: I really helped you to create that stability.
• 1:29:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why it was so infuriating to me, because I felt like that was kind of like pulled from you and just you were kind of like kicked in this very vulnerable place that I think is the most vulnerable place for you.
• 1:29:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why it was like particularly infuriating for me to watch.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_02: And I think also why I eventually obviously was supportive of you quitting and when I ended up leaving shortly after, but that was the thing, right?
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_02: It really hit you in the most vulnerable place.
• 1:29:59
  SPEAKER_01: On the one hand, one could say that this is anecdotal, these things that we're each sharing are experienced, these are alleged based on our own experience.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_01: But what's curious is because you are a pioneer in the field from of spiritual intelligence and you've done neo assessments on a lot of us.
• 1:30:20
  SPEAKER_01: There is intriguing data, which I feel like backs up some of these things about sort of the broader energetic reality of this that I just find like continually fascinating.
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that that's so true.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_03: And when we make the observation that I think Elise is the one who said that we were targeted, people, good marketers, do target specific groups of people.
• 1:30:42
  SPEAKER_03: One of the things I think she did a really great job of is targeting us.
• 1:30:47
  SPEAKER_03: It occurs to me that when we look at the personality profiles of the people who were at the retreats, who worked in her masterminds, who were my colleagues who came to me for the NEO assessments, we all were super open to experiences in the 95th percentile and above, meaning highly imaginative, emotionally intelligent, spiritually intelligent, even.
• 1:31:09
  SPEAKER_03: And there were a couple of other characteristics that I think were very consistent with each of us.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it makes me think because I started talking about that as I was working with her, and then suddenly everybody starts flowing in who meet those criteria, and it just makes me wonder about that.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_03: How much, if any, of my research and my the way that I think about gathering people influenced.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not blaming myself at all, I'm just saying it's just as an interesting way of thinking about targeting because we really can call in the people that we're meant to work with.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_03: It just is another point of illustration that our technologies can be used for good, for benevolence, and they can also be used for malevolence, depending on the ethics and the personality of the person who's in influing them.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:31:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it's interesting because I've mentioned this to you a number of times.
• 1:32:03
  SPEAKER_01: But when I did, I think I did a neo-assessment with you in 2021, and it was remarkable.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was so powerful to have like data, as it were, to back up things that I always knew to be true about myself.
• 1:32:17
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that I perceive to be one of your greatest, most incredible gifts is you're like this powerful bridge, right, between the science and the data and then the metaphysical.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, that's what we need for all of the systems that exist on this planet to be essentially retuned to stewardship and like your unique lens of perception, the way that you really are a pioneer and a visionary, is that you understand a lot of the more scientific perspective, the medical lens of perception.
• 1:32:50
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're able to put this also like unique, powerful spiritual intelligence that you possess.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it's fucking, it's inimitable, right?
• 1:32:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's like just again to speak to this like power of how brilliant each of us was that was drawn into this experience.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_01: You have this extraordinary gift.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_01: And doing the Neo assessment with you, it really had a massive effect for me to be like, wow, isn't it fucking wild that this is like the corroboration, right?
• 1:33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because you have found ways to be able to articulate these things that are so powerful.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm grateful for you saying that.
• 1:33:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it then brings me back to, I want to go back to Santa Fe with you before we before we leave Santa Fe and talk about the aftermath of it, because I know the aftermath for you is pretty significant emotionally, psychologically, financially, probably energetically and spiritually as well.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_03: But you talked about being left out from your core group who you'd gone up to Santa Fe with and living with while we were there.
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_03: What were some of the other red flags during that experience that stand out for you that is important for the narrative that we are creating around this big picture of bewitched?
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know I already like articulated some of this, but again, the level of destabilization that was clearly being employed for each of us was really hard for me to watch.
• 1:34:25
  SPEAKER_03: And so with destabilization, can you give just an example of that for our listeners so that they understand what you mean by that?
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, her telling people these sweeping broad things that they needed to do to like solve their problems that would essentially lead to one's own individual experience of potentially really serious instability.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Again, the the thing of her telling multiple different people that they needed to leave their partners was like so ugly to me.
• 1:34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Gia will be on the podcast.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_03: We're recording this on the 25th of February, and she'll, by the time they're listening to yours, they'll have already listened to Gio's if they're following the series.
• 1:35:09
  SPEAKER_03: If not, you can go back and listen.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_03: But Gia will have shared the moment where the Betty told her that her partner was not her partner and that she needed to leave.
• 1:35:18
  SPEAKER_03: And the the agony that that young woman was in was very, very profound.
• 1:35:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I had mentioned that she had told me something privately about my own marriage that was the reason that I wasn't doing as well as I could be doing if I would just simply leave him.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_01: And isn't it also interesting again?
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like these conversations we're having are so important because they're like speaking to these bigger truths and energies we must all face.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because whether you had something like this of this magnitude happen, which it, you know, it does, right?
• 1:35:55
  SPEAKER_01: There are countless stories of people who have been manipulated and sucked into things and really thrown off course in these ways.
• 1:36:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I think even beyond those like specific moments of magnitude that some of us experience in a really extreme way, these things affect all of us.
• 1:36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone on earth, from my perspective and opinion, is impacted by these.
• 1:36:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so the more we can just rip the band-aid off and like be embarrassed, right?
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, fuck shame.
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not here to be embarrassed by the ways where I, as a sweet, good-natured person who really, I think this is one of the ways too that she was able to get at each of us is when you have a level of spiritual intelligence, I think you possess a capacity to hold multiple perspectives at one time.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_01: We've thrown this idea out a few times about how we were all able, I think, to see that there were things that were happening that we did not, that did not feel aligned, did not feel perhaps ethical or good in some capacity.
• 1:37:02
  SPEAKER_01: And then to take it that one step further and say that to me, humans are like that, right?
• 1:37:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like being on this planet.
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_01: There are things about my family that are very challenging.
• 1:37:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then there are these ways where, like, even the biggest asshole I've ever met, like I am able to see the beauty in them, right?
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's like kind of the energy of to be a monster, you have a likely been treated in monstrous ways yourself.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_03: You have such a profound sense of empathy that you can take multiple perspectives.
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so open to new experiences that I can take a trip with almost anybody.
• 1:37:38
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, yeah, the other day I posted on my Facebook page this uh fake penguin from Penguin.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_03: The title is How to Survive in a Strange World After Sliding in an Alternative Timeline.
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought that was a perfect way to describe it.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_03: So let's talk about this alternative timeline that happened in Santa Fe.
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to go to the heart of it because we on my podcast, on Elisa's podcast, we've talked about this in the past, about this walk-in being who came in, who was supposed to be this benevolent source and helpful and loving and so on.
• 1:38:12
  SPEAKER_03: But ultimately, one of the things that Betty said to me early on was, oh, I want you to study me.
• 1:38:18
  SPEAKER_03: I want you to learn everything that you can about what I'm doing, who says something like that?
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_03: Diagnostically, a narcissist is going to say something like that, of course.
• 1:38:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to remind people I wasn't operating in my capacity as a psychologist or a therapist, and I wasn't diagnosing, I was a client having an interaction with this person who I had hired as my business coach and mentor for my spiritual business.
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_03: So let's go to that time.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_03: What do you remember about that experience with the channeling, the walk-in, and then the aftermath of that?
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_01: There was just this way where, like, as the days wore on at that retreat, I just felt like more progressively depleted and burnt out.
• 1:39:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like my battery was just being like fully drained.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_03: Do you feel like she was siphoning your energy?
• 1:39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I do.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like she was definitely doing it to me.
• 1:39:12
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like she was doing it to everyone.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like this experience of quote unquote, like a walk-in and her like channeling this energy, the metaphysical complexity of what is like happening on earth is so intense.
• 1:39:29
  SPEAKER_01: We could talk about this for the rest of forever.
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that there's this way where something felt very off.
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember thinking to myself, like privately, because of the experiences I was having at the retreat and the things I was seeing her doing and saying about other people and how they needed to move and operate, and basically like putting this really big burden of blame on someone.
• 1:39:55
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned the conversation you had with her behind the scenes about how the reason you weren't making 100k months was because of your relationship.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yeah, is that that?
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or is it one of those tourist t-shirts?
• 1:40:06
  SPEAKER_01: My mom went to Florida and all I got was this stupid t-shirt.
• 1:40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is it that like you have someone who's pulling on your energy and you need to uproot your entire life and end your relationship and don't no, that's gonna be the ticket to success.
• 1:40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Or is it like you're just literally getting fed bad advice or no advice?
• 1:40:23
  SPEAKER_03: Or that what I have come to conclude is that in siphoning our energy, she was listen, the psychologist person in me, the PhD in me kind of is like, I can't believe I'm saying this, but the narrative in my head, the way that I understand this, is that basically because she was not a creator, she's a replicator, she was taking other people's ideas, taking other people's creativity and making them her own.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that for me, she was doing that a lot.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_03: With me, she was doing that a lot.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so there were times when she would we'd talk about marketing copy for my business, and then I would look on her Facebook page an hour later and she would have written exactly what we had just talked about for me, and exactly so I can use those things.
• 1:41:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it just makes me think about how depleted we all were, and perhaps the reason that I wasn't, to your point, making what she thought I ought to be making per month or meet hitting that milestone or whatever wasn't because of my husband, but because of her ulterior motives for keeping me where I was and compressing me.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, okay, so I digress a little bit there, but I just let's talk more about what your experience was at that time of the walk-in, where all of a sudden this new consciousness feels like whoever Betty was before is not in the house anymore, and now there's this new consciousness there.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_03: What was that like for you?
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because of the things that I witnessed growing up, and that I have been uniquely aware of for a long time, there is an energy, we'll say, of like possession that I have witnessed in my life leading up to the moment of being at that retreat in Santa Fe.
• 1:42:07
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like a flip switches, right?
• 1:42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Where one minute someone is the person who you know them to be, and then the next minute it's like they've been like overtaken by a very dark, very ugly force.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_01: And that was what it felt like.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't feel good to me, and it was complicated because I was like, oh my God, like I could feel that I knew it to be true.
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't feel like it was like a good vibration, as it were.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_01: But then she was also just like saying all these things and like trying to essentially manipulate everyone's perception and the conversation to make it feel like this was like a beautiful, the embodiment of ascension.
• 1:42:48
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, it also started both while we were there and in the aftermath.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_01: I felt very strongly, as I mentioned, I'm a wacky bitch who can build a fire on a block of ice.
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:43:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, like I believe in magic and I've seen it and I know I keep saying it, but like the things that my clients experience, the things I've experienced, are like wild miracles in action.
• 1:43:12
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that's our default state.
• 1:43:14
  SPEAKER_01: And as you said, when you're a replicator, you do not have the capacity.
• 1:43:18
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a creator being.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_01: And in order to be able to exist and thrive, as it were, you must harness other creator beings' capacity to do these things.
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what it was just like feeling like this thing where I was like, oh my God, I've been down this road before.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_01: I saw the signs and I ignored them, and the good outweighed the bad.
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_01: But now it's this is a movie that I have been to before and I have worked very hard to Elisa's point.
• 1:43:48
  SPEAKER_01: She helped me so much in terms of really stabilizing in some ways that I had never been before.
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so I knew, but there were signs, like there were things about that were happening that just like energetically, I was like, this is not it.
• 1:44:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is not the vibe.
• 1:44:04
  SPEAKER_03: So let's get into that just for a moment, because I really want us to get a good picture of what it means to you for it to not be energetically aligned or energetically the vibration of love.
• 1:44:17
  SPEAKER_03: Or I know you said that of course she was telling people how they ought to what they ought to do next and basically destabilizing, but is there anything else?
• 1:44:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm picking at this thread here, but I feel like that there's something in here that is important for us to articulate.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that you're doing this.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so one of the things that I was like witnessing, especially in the aftermath of the retreat, there's like a bunch of things that I like want to say, and I'll just try to like get through them.
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_01: One of them is there was like a lot of talking out of both sides of her mouth that Betty was doing.
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_01: On the one hand, she was saying, oh, she had sort of like pinpointed you and me and Elise and one other person as she was like, you all helped me so much at this retreat.
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_01: She told me at the retreat she would always be there to help me with my business and da-da-da-da, all this stuff.
• 1:45:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, like on the surface, she's like saying things, right, that are like ostensibly good.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_01: But then I was witnessing her doing these things that were the exact opposite of both the energy and the literal sentiment that she was expressing.
• 1:45:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I was watching her actually do things that felt like she was not, in fact, trying to help me or other people with our businesses, but were very, very hanky, very destabilizing.
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_03: And like what in particular comes to mind.
• 1:45:32
  SPEAKER_01: I witnessed her steal a lot of ideas from people.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_01: You mentioned that you felt like for a long time you would say things and then all of a sudden, like it would be replicated essentially, and like a post that she would put out.
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_01: I saw that happen over and over again.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, in the aftermath of Santa Fe, when we got back, and she rebranded the mastermind that we were all in with each other to the name of a mastermind that I had created several years prior.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I had already had two very uncomfortable conversations with her because after I created this program with a specific name in 2022, while we were in that program, that like shorter program in the fall of 2022, which I created without her help and I shared in the group that we were in.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_01: A few weeks later, we were on a call and she did a whole long spiel at the beginning of the conversation about how someone had stolen some idea that she had on and then segues into saying that she's going to start a program with this name.
• 1:46:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, So just to be clear, like I mentioned a few weeks ago that I created a mastermind that I'm selling now, which is called That Thing.
• 1:46:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that was very uncomfortable for me to have to do that.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's in the fall of 2022.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Fast forward the fall of 2023, we come back from this experience.
• 1:46:58
  SPEAKER_01: She makes this announcement on the next mastermind call that she is, in fact, going to rename the mastermind this name, which is again, and not only rebranded the name of the mastermind, but her podcast as well.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, and while we had been at the retreat, another crazy thing had happened where one of the things that I do for people is I help people basically clear energetic so that you're able to reactivate what I perceive as like our innate ability to heal and age well and whatever, whatever that means for people, right?
• 1:47:33
  SPEAKER_01: To live in your body as embodied as possible.
• 1:47:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna be 46 in April.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_01: My skin's looking great.
• 1:47:39
  SPEAKER_01: I do very specific energy work on myself, which I'm getting to a point with this.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's I'm not just here selling my wares.
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_01: We're at the retreat and I was talking to some people in the room that we were in.
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_01: She was across the room from us.
• 1:47:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling a bunch of people about this program I've heard created.
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was called Blow All the Way Up The Beauty Codes.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was so excited.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was gonna basically teach people practical things that I do to maintain youthfulness and activate, and then also do a lot of energetic work for people in a program that I had created.
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_01: And wouldn't you know?
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_01: I told a bunch of people I said all these things out loud in this space.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then, like literally a few hours later, she makes an announcement to the group that she's gonna be sharing basically the fountain of youth and beauty codes with everybody.
• 1:48:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, this is insane.
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about not just like you're out there saying that other people are taking from you all the time, which is a massive red flag, but you're actually the one who I'm witnessing over and over and over again.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I use those, I mean, talk about getting gaslit.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, Jesus Christ, I'm literally telling people about this program I'm offering.
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then this one's in the background, she's oh, I'm I did that, right?
• 1:48:48
  SPEAKER_01: So then, like it put this feeling in me of this profoundly messed up, distorted experience.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm the one who created that and had the idea for it.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_01: My assistant at the time had been working diligently on the marketing for this program.
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm telling people about it.
• 1:49:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then this one's oh, a few hours later, I'm gonna be, I created a program.
• 1:49:10
  SPEAKER_01: I just got a download from this energy I'm channeling.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_01: And this is one of the most important things that I'm gonna be sharing with people.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_01: So then it makes me look like I'm the fucking asshole, right?
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_01: The one who's like taking from her because she's my quote unquote mentor.
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_01: I witnessed that happen a bunch of times where there were things that I knew that other people in our mastermind had created or said or did.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then she would just seamlessly absorb them and spout them out as if she was the one who had created these things.
• 1:49:42
  SPEAKER_01: And it was, it became impossible.
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was like there was something about what happened at Santa Fe in Santa Fe, where it like became impossible for me to ignore.
• 1:49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just like every day that passed, from the time that we got home through the time that I left officially.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_01: In January of 2024, where it just became like increasingly impossible for me to ignore what was really happening because it was just it was intense.
• 1:50:12
  SPEAKER_03: So let's flash forward to the end of your time working with her.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_03: And then do you have some time to go into the aftermath and then coming back around to my experience in Croatia?
• 1:50:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:50:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I knew for months, starting both at that retreat and then in the months that followed, that I had to quit.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_01: I did not abide.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_01: I did not like what I saw her doing to other people.
• 1:50:36
  SPEAKER_01: I did not, I could no longer deny the impact in my own life.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt very strongly that I had to quit, but I was frankly scared.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_01: I had seen what she did when people left.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_01: It was very ugly.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_01: I again loved all of you and the people that I had met in Santa Fe and the people who were in our masterminds.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want those relationships to be negatively affected by me leaving and then her going on like a smear campaign of me, which is what she would do essentially, generally when people would leave.
• 1:51:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think I only saw her not do that to one person.
• 1:51:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I did too.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_03: I was thinking about that and I was wondering about, and we won't disclose who that is, but I was wondering what made that one person different.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I think I know what it is.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_03: What is your sense of it?
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, first of all, if you are out there causing chaos under the guise of helping other people, to be able to have one person who really did meet the criteria that you're putting down and had this experience, it feels like a clearly, I guess it's like good math, right?
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_01: To be able to have one person that you haven't fully manipulated in these ways or taken from them.
• 1:51:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I also think that she has a lot of social capital.
• 1:51:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:51:55
  SPEAKER_03: That was, I think that was strategic.
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_03: So we'll leave that there.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, I agree with this.
• 1:52:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:52:01
  SPEAKER_03: Did you have a conversation with her when you left?
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_03: And if so, what was that like?
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was terrified.
• 1:52:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was one of the scariest things I feel like I have like needed to do.
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like I was getting energetically just pummeled from all directions leading up to leaving.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it was time, quote unquote.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think I had a couple months left on like the program that we were in, but it was very evident that she did not have the capacity and the aftermath of whatever had happened, the walk-in, the channeling dark energy, like whatever the hell had really happened, that we were not receiving a level of support that was in line with what we were paying for business coaching.
• 1:52:44
  SPEAKER_01: And it just got to the point where I just knew that I had to do it.
• 1:52:48
  SPEAKER_01: I had not done it, not done it, not done it.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_01: Fast forward to January of 2024, I knew I had to do it.
• 1:52:55
  SPEAKER_01: I sat down, I actually wrote an email and I sent it and I said, you know, I just, I really need to focus at this point on myself and my personal life.
• 1:53:04
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like some things have really become very destabilized.
• 1:53:08
  SPEAKER_01: There was no like blame or judgment or anything like that.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was very like practically oriented and to the point.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, I am pausing indefinitely for the rest of fucking forever with engaging with you.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I wish you the best.
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_01: This this no longer works for me.
• 1:53:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I have turned off the auto payments and I'm not doing this anymore.
• 1:53:31
  SPEAKER_01: Good luck.
• 1:53:31
  SPEAKER_01: She pretty quickly, I think maybe even that same day, responded back to me.
• 1:53:36
  SPEAKER_01: And on the surface was like peaches and cream, you know, was like, oh, I understand whatever, whatever.
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_01: But I could tell like that the like undercurrent of the energy was like that she was not just not happy, but I could also see that there was a way where it was like the beginning of the end and like she knew it.
• 1:53:57
  SPEAKER_01: I could also see that there were still some people who were like being like heavily spellcast by her, who weren't quite ready to hear it.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_01: But it was very evident to me in that moment of me extricating myself from that and saying, no, absolutely no more, no permissions, absolutely hard pass from me, you know, however nice I was and my articulation of that to her, that like she could see.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_01: She certainly still had people working with her, but it was it was like very evident to me that she understood that like she was losing her grip.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember you asking me, because I remember telling you that I had done this, and I remember you asking me how I felt.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember I was like, my God, I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something to the effect of I feel like a huge weight of relief.
• 1:54:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_03: I remember being relieved for you because I knew what an arduous effort that was to stay in, given your physical well-being and the destabilization from the housing stuff.
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I was glad for you.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_03: I missed you, but I was also glad for you.
• 1:55:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, man, I often sort of liken the you know experience of being a human and the work of reclaiming one's sovereignty.
• 1:55:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I feel like we're like carrying around these massive energetic bags of rocks.
• 1:55:18
  SPEAKER_01: It felt like if I was carrying like a billion energetic boulders, that like a lot of that weight had been lifted in that moment of just like saying, I am done with you.
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was nervous for myself too, because again, there were these ways where when people would leave, like she would go on these behind the scenes like smear campaigns.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was concerned about how it would affect my brand and my business going forward.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_01: But it also felt like whatever the balance was to all the ways that I had been destabilized, that like no matter what the immediate effect was from a long-term perspective, that it was the power move for me to just be like absolutely no more.
• 1:55:59
  SPEAKER_03: I remember for me, one of the things that kept me hooked in was it seems to me that being in her space is more beneficial than not because I'm meeting people.
• 1:56:09
  SPEAKER_03: She's introducing me to her network and she's highlighting me on her podcasts or whatever from a marketing perspective.
• 1:56:16
  SPEAKER_03: I've met so many amazing people through her pathways.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_03: So did you have any of that, or was it mostly just the oh, absolutely.
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Certainly, I feel like there was a lot to be desired in terms of what she was offering us, but there was.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_01: I met some incredible clients, some incredible collaborators, some incredible people through basically being like part of her world.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it was really scary to like feel like I would lose that.
• 1:56:43
  SPEAKER_01: For me, as someone who operates in a very unusual way, you know, sharing my story with people.
• 1:56:49
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people hear me talking about my experience and my own gifts and what happens with my clients when I help people essentially tune back to what I, you know, I feel like is our ultimate individual truth, our gifts, our sovereignty, our spirit, that it's an extraordinary experience.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_01: And having the ability to be, again, in front of a large audience was tactful for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: It did change things for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And to lose that, it was really scary.
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  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_03: So for our final portion today, what I want to talk about is how you healed, how you recovered, what your approach was to that.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_03: And then any advice or recommendations for our listeners as well, whether they've whether they worked with Betty or not.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's why we talk about there's also the the pastors and the meditation teachers and the yoga teachers, and so many people in the spiritual space who have immense amount of powers and abuse their power.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what'd you do to heal?
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I had to go through just the most like wild, both physical and energetic detox.
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  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that I had had kicked up really badly while we were at the retreat in Santa Fe was a really bad candida outbreak, um, which Betty kept telling me if you recall like after and during that retreat, I knew that I was getting a really bad candida outbreak.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is something I had struggled with from a physical perspective for years.
• 1:58:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I knew from my own, I would go visit my family, and I would come home from a visit with my family, and I would whoop end up with a really bad candida outbreak.
• 1:58:30
  SPEAKER_01: So this was something I had grappled with over time, and I knew it to be from my perspective, to be a sign where my energy was being really tampered with and really like harnessed in a way that was like inappropriate and ugly and not the vibe.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I knew that that was like a sign of a very bad scene.
• 1:58:49
  SPEAKER_01: And while we were there, I could feel it coming on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then in the aftermath of it, it just continued to get like worse and worse and worse.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was embarrassed to like go out in public.
• 1:59:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was doing a thousand things.
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_01: I was like working on myself energetically.
• 1:59:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was taking medication, I was taking herbs and supplements and doing all these things to like really help to clear the stuff from my physical and emotional and spiritual body.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_01: I will say that was a big part of the healing journey that I went through was really reclaiming what I feel like was like taken from me from an energetic perspective.
• 1:59:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's complicated, right?
• 1:59:26
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like at the end of the day, the things that I was called to do in terms of like fine-tuning my own technique and my practice, really tuning into the energies, like going back essentially, like time traveling back to the beginning of engaging with her through the end.
• 1:59:45
  SPEAKER_01: And really for me, going through the moments and tuning into the energy, finding the hooks, finding all these ways where like I feel like my space, my ideas, my creativity, my energy had been tampered with and thrown off course.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did a lot of work to restore and reconnect back to my highest timeline.
• 2:00:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I actually supported, I feel like my own technique because one of the things that I do with my work with future medicine, my modality is that I have what amounts to like thousands of different energies woven into future medicine to like help address a variety of different things for people and retune us back to that state of our divine spark or our like unique magic.
• 2:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: And so it did create some opportunities for me to revisit things that I thought that I had already healed and cleared from.
• 2:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was very evident in the aftermath of leaving her world that I had more work to do on that.
• 2:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to say, my skills just got even sharper and even better.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the things that I then, especially like last year and now into this year, the things that I my clients have been experiencing are so incredible.
• 2:00:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't deny the fact that I think that part of that is because I went into every part of my own energetic experience.
• 2:01:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was like no stone unturned, right?
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was able to leverage the experience to be able to sharpen my own skill sets and really help to be able to extricate not just myself, but the planet from these energies because it just felt so important in the aftermath.
• 2:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a combination of a lot of like physical work that I did, like having to really basically treat myself like a baby in a lot of ways.
• 2:01:34
  SPEAKER_03: Did you work with a therapist or somebody who is an expert in the psychology of what you're yes, I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um thank you for bringing that in.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: The only reason I bring that forward is because there's so many layers to this.
• 2:01:49
  SPEAKER_03: And it's always we do a lot of self-healing, but it's always so important to have somebody who can hold the energy as a professional therapist to be able to help you move through the trauma.
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: What was that?
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that's probably gonna be my last question for today.
• 2:02:05
  SPEAKER_03: So, what was that like?
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_01: That was such a powerful, really beautiful experience for me.
• 2:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: The person that I worked with had done a lot of work helping people recover from very serious trauma over the course of their career.
• 2:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: And they were able to really contextualize my experience with her in relation to what had happened to me as a child.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_03: What did he say about her?
• 2:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: One of the things that we talked about was the reality of Stockholm syndrome, right?
• 2:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: And how because of the trauma that I had survived as a child, the neglect, the abandonment, the complex intergenerational abuse and nonsense that was present in my own family experience and genetic line, that I basically was like suffering from Stockholm syndrome, where I was identifying with my abuser.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_03: I think that that is such a great place to put a pin in because, and we'll have, I'm sure the three of us will get back together and talk about Stockholm syndrome, but I'm pretty sure that all of us have that to some degree for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
• 2:03:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:03:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_03: Any final thoughts for our listeners today?
• 2:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: These conversations, again, they're so intense, they're so emotionally heavy, they're evocative, they are really, really important.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I know I keep saying this, but I do really believe that the reason, again, these conversations are so urgently needed is because to some degree, everyone on earth right now is impacted by these energies of manipulation, of essentially like a veil of forgetting or a bewitchment.
• 2:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: And in order for us to get out of this mess, I believe it's totally possible.
• 2:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the most fucking optimistic bitch alive.
• 2:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: I believe that like we've already done it and we're doing it.
• 2:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: But it also requires action.
• 2:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: It requires all of us to face very uncomfortable truths and really start to say, like, how am I going to move differently?
• 2:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: How am I going to live differently?
• 2:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: What am I going to do to be a part of the solution?
• 2:04:12
  SPEAKER_01: This multi-healing is such a multi-tiered, multi-dimensional, multi-first experience, multifaceted experience.
• 2:04:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 2:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's this way where it's like whatever you're being called to do, whatever you're being called to face, finding a way to be able to make room for yourself, to really reclaim your sovereignty and to me to activate your spiritual gifts, to retrieve your soul, as it were, from these systems, from these people who have attempted to extract your resources.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: There's like nothing more important on earth right now than to do that work, to reclaim your intuition, your spiritual intelligence, and to basically call back your energy from systems that have purposely extracted your resources to facilitate oppression.
• 2:05:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:05:05
  SPEAKER_03: And who better to do that work with than one of your gifts, I think, Andrea, is that you've been to the, and so have I, and so is Elise.
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: We've been to the edges of consciousness.
• 2:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: We know where that edge is.
• 2:05:18
  SPEAKER_03: We came back, we live to tell about it, and there's that sense of wisdom that we carry with us, our medicine is really in part this experience.
• 2:05:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I want to thank you for joining us today.
• 2:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's just always such a joy to be in your energy and your presence and to hear your wisdom.
• 2:05:36
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you.
• 2:05:37
  SPEAKER_03: And we will, I'm sure, have another episode where we talk about the other stuff the Stockholm Syndrome, you guys supporting me through my return from Croatia.
• 2:05:46
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't even get to touch on that.
• 2:05:47
  SPEAKER_01: We had so much to talk about, but yes.
• 2:05:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the Lord of the Rings saga over here, guys.
• 2:05:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so grateful to you, so grateful to Elise.
• 2:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: I love these conversations.
• 2:05:56
  SPEAKER_01: And again, yeah, to your point, who better to help guide people out of the matrix and home to themselves than you know, all of us who've had these experiences.
• 2:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like my wizard powers were already quite strong leading up to this experience.
• 2:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: And in the aftermath of my own reclamation and healing journey, I feel like I'm just sharp as a fucking tack.
• 2:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so excited about everything that I'm doing.
• 2:06:20
  SPEAKER_01: There's just this way where like the programs I'm offering, the work I'm doing with people just feels so powerful.
• 2:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't deny the fact that the some of the things that unfolded helped me to really fine-tune my skill set to land me in this place.
• 2:06:36
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you very much.
• 2:06:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think that there is.
• 2:06:38
  SPEAKER_03: I think that there is a level of gratitude that when you get on the other side of it, that you can find in the experience.
• 2:06:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that that's a blessing too.
• 2:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: All right, we're gonna let everybody go for today.
• 2:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for joining us.
• 2:06:50
  SPEAKER_03: We will be back again with another episode of Bewitched, and we're gonna keep the conversation going.
• 2:06:57
  SPEAKER_03: As you know, every Monday, Elise and I hop on the Instagram live for a debrief.
• 2:07:02
  SPEAKER_03: Andrea, we'd love to have you join us as well to talk about with our communities these issues to answer questions and so on.
• 2:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: So find us on Instagram and send us DMs if you have specific questions you want us to answer or anything specifically you want us to focus or expand on as a result of this conversation.
• 2:07:21
  SPEAKER_03: And we will see you all next time.
• 2:07:24
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