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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles REPLAY 092826 - Birth Certificates, Jurisdiction, and the Modern Money System · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: Well, there you go.
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  Now familiar lyrics from Alvin Lee's ten years after,
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  so many decades ago, so prophetic.
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  I always wanted to use that song when I had delusions
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  of having a talk show Chris back many years ago.
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  Chris is along, like trusty sidekick here, Chris
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  gets in right before the show starts, always a pleasure to have you buddy and get your input.
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  Obviously, Roger Sales, Radio Ranch, People's Patriot Network of the day, the show day
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  is Thursday.
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  Weavis,
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  Chris
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  in Spanish,
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  You may need to learn a little Spanish here coming up buddy.
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  Good thing to start on are the numbers and the days of the week,
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  and the months.
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  Thursday is Juves, and that's j u e v e s,
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  but they don't pronounce J's in Spanish, so it's a H, so it's 'Jueves'.
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  There's
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  your Spanish lesson for the week.
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  Of course, don't guess you have
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  don't have to travel too far to get exposed to Spanish, do you?
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  Unknown: Yeah, we got the front door usually.
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  Unknown: You
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  may, you know,
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  learning you're the language, familiarizing yourself with it, you may start because it damn sure looks like we're being overrun up there and you're either going to have to deal with it up there or if some of you decide to ever move down here,
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  it certainly helps you getting around to know a little bit of language. It's difficult,
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  I tell people here,
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  it's funny, the other guy, the state department guy, Corey, he didn't show up, he had something come up Tuesday, I think we're supposed to get together again next week. I said, man, I thought you were retired?
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  And he goes, I'm not retired? No kidding!
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  So anyway, I said over the table, I said, how's your Spanish? And he said, Terrible.
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  And
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  I laughed and said, yeah, mine too, really.
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  But the
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  honest truth is, it was almost easier to beat the federal government of the United States than learn Spanish for me.
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  Some people have an aptitude for languages and man, I'll tell you, I sure don't.
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  I'm liking it a little bit more, but it's not
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  the language
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  necessarily,
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  difficult, it's the mind
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  acclamation.
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  There's a period you got to acclimate your mind
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  to those sounds and how different they are, and just like that example I said Juves,
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  u e v e s, Juves, all the pronunciation differences and stuff, and then the grammatical differences in the way they phrase things. So anyway, it's been a challenge, I feel like I've grown a bit from getting around. I can get in a, like,
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  Uber in.
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  I don't have a car, probably never buy a car down here, I sure don't want to drive.
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  Uber's pretty cheap, they're real good, and so I use them to go to our little lunch on Tuesdays,
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  and then generally take a taxi home from the store. So anyway, I get to Uber Diana,
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  I've got about a twenty minute ride, and we have a total conversation in Spanish. I mean, I don't speak it fluently or good, but I can have a conversation with it. My concern
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  is,
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  objective,
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  is just to be able to have them understand what I'm trying to say, and get most of what they're trying to say.
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  It's been a big challenge,
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  but as I said, I feel like I'm a better person. Know, that's one of the things, Chris, what I've done is I've gotten older here, as we're all doing.
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  The
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  way you look at life changes because you get a bit smarter, hopefully, and wiser.
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  It
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  comes right down to, you know, I want to do things that make me go through personal growth.
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  Now those things may not always be good,
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  but you still go through personal growth through them, and that's kind of one of my life's gauges.
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  A bunch of interesting things happening, but I wanted to yesterday, as I was telling Chris briefly when we were talking before the show started, that yesterday at the tail end the monetary system came up, I don't remember exactly in what context of the conversation,
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  but it was right at the end. Remember yesterday we didn't have the outro
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  music?
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  I'm going, where's the whistler? Remember that?
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  I do? Yeah, well what had happened, and I'm sitting here playing it, I'm playing it, I'm getting no sound, I had tried to
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  this irritating Skype noise, and all the little noises, and stuff, and tones they give you with all this modern operating system stuff,
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  suggested
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  I go in and turn the volume down.
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  Here's the deal with this Skype thing, when you get the ding dong, ding dong, and you can't mess with the volume on that, evidently,
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  but it only happens on the first caller.
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  Like you called right before, it was doing it,
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  and now Bob, I'm just patching Bob in right here, and all you heard was that little ding a ling there. Good morning, Bob. You didn't hear the annoying phone ring that you get on the first one. Hey, Bob.
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  Unknown: Good morning. Good morning. I was just gonna comment on the fact that your,
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  your outro
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  story, I listened to it later on Castbox because I'd missed a significant part of the show.
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  And
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  once on Castbox,
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  once you once everybody signed off and was gone, you stayed on. I'll bet for two to five minutes, I hit it.
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  And I could hear it. I could hear
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  Unknown: Don't tell him. Your mind's going, okay. What is Are you yelling? What did I say? Don't tell him anything I said if you the background watching that. If it was ugly
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  was what is going on here? If it was ugly, don't don't relate it.
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  Unknown: Because I It
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  Unknown: it it was not over the top. It was not over the top, but it was kinda I I just was sitting there chuckling to myself because it's obvious Roger doesn't know he's still alive.
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  Unknown: That's too much. Anyway
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  Well, anyway, so I
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  fooled around and probably cussed a little bit and figured out that it was this volume
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  and could I had it turned down so you couldn't hear it. And see,
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  Greg's always on me, you know, our engineer who does a lot for us, I don't give him enough credit for everything he does, but he's always, he handles this PPN
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  forum on Skype that a number of you are involved in, and he posts
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  all this stuff we talk about, he searches it up and throws it over there in that forum, we should promote him more.
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  It would be a good resource for a lot of you that want to follow the things we talk about in their
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  factual basis.
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  I told Greg, he said, Roger, you need to do this and do that, other announcers do. I said, hey Greg,
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  do you know any other announcers that are an announcer, a producer, an engineer, and a call screen, are all in one?
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  Very few. Yeah, very few. And and honestly
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  Unknown: And he said what's
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  Unknown: your point? Well, no, he didn't he didn't respond.
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  He didn't respond was his response
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  because he's got a little bit of radio in his background and stuff. Anyway,
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  I was telling Chris and the audience, I'd like to get into this monetary
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  explanation
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  today
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  because for one thing,
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  I've been wanting to do this show for a while. We haven't done it in a while.
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  I think the last time I did it was over on Ex Wife number three
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  and we did the whole show on it one day and Glenn
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  wrote me an email after the show and he said, what did you talk about on the program today?
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  I said, well we went over the monetary system, he said, your website got hit with more denial of service
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  in those couple hours than it's ever had.
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  Talk about other stuff and you know the show has kind of evolved
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  and is constantly evolving,
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  guess.
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  I really like this conversational platform
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  format.
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  First of all, don't know if anybody else is doing it, and that's good. I don't know if anybody else has got the intricacies of the truth and factual
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  information we've got, that's another point, and I get to interact with you guys and it just makes the whole experience real rich for me, and I think it does, and I hope it does for all of you, you know. That
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  isn't a big formal, Roger's doing this, and this is Roger's ballgame,
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  it doesn't revolve around me. I try and remove myself from it, I'm just the guy that's trying to tell you and help you understand that you've got a choice.
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  Because the show's not about me, it's about you.
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  Unknown: Loving the truth. Yeah,
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  Unknown: and the people that have it. The people that have it, if they're not here yet,
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  for them will be here sometime in the future.
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  But there's a lot of interesting things going on and no matter which
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  vector this octopus or which octopus's
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  tentacle you go down, maybe that's a good way to put it Chris and Bob, no matter what of the tentacles of the octopus you go down, you always come back to the same spot and that's this monetary
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  power and the tap root of their power is this.
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  Unknown: In fact, the James Bond movie Goldfinger was off the pussy in Money Power. And Yes.
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  Unknown: Was
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  that
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  was that the the episode where he had pussy galore?
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  Unknown: That was the one. Okay,
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  Unknown: anyway, of course old Goldfinger and everybody wants gold and they've
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  achieved the ancient
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  alchemists
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  dream
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  in spades.
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  And the ancient alchemists
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  all tried to turn lead, or mercury,
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  or other
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  metals into gold,
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  and obviously
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  none of them were successful.
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  These guys
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  just took the opposite, they're pretty dialectically oriented,
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  have you noticed?
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  They took the opposite and they said, hell, we'll just turn gold into paper.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  And
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  Unknown: so as you get through this, there's several stages here that people
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  generally don't know. I mean I certainly didn't, and I've talked to a lot of people, I don't think most people understand, some of our old timers that have been around a while understand
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  this,
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  and it's on several levels and it all deals with sleight of hand. I was listening to Max Keyser right before the program today and he's talking to this
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  Keynes, an economist out of Australia that's pretty sharp. I've seen him before
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  and he's worldwide
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  known, has a worldwide reputation,
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  and they're going, capitalism is based on savings and this that and the other. Well you know, let's go back and start at the root of the words because
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  we're
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  seeing it more and more
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  with all the Antifa and the AOC
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  and Comrade Cortez and all the rest of the ones that are coming out are all bashing capitalism.
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  Okay, well we don't have capitalism.
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  Adam Smith, as he drew it up in The Wealth of Nations,
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  had everything based because the monetary systems were honest in those days they'd not been corrupted.
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  And
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  as gold and silver is the basis of capitalism, so capitalism
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  to be capitalism
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  has to
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  be based on something of substance
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  that is positive and not negative, which is the debt system we're saddled with now. So
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  understanding
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  these terms and understanding this background
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  is just real empowering.
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  When So we get to the bank stuff, I should probably save it till then, but
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  along the way
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  I've stumbled on, and this is back in
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  the days when we had to listen to things on shortwave radio on WWCR,
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  there was no proliferation
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  of information on the internet, it was still in its infancy
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  as to the populace and its impact.
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  When you try to listen to a shortwave
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  radio
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  at night that's bounced to another side of the world off the ionosphere,
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  and you're relatively close to the transmitter,
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  because a shortwave radio sends its signal straight up,
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  It doesn't send it out like FM or AM traditional signals,
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  it's sent straight up so that it can bounce off the atmosphere.
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  And if you're close to the tower
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  in the broadcast
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  facility, a lot of the signal bypasses
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  you.
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  So many nights it would
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  you think our reception is bad on here sometimes? Hell man, this is a cakewalk compared to listening to WWCR
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  in some of the old days, and then you'd sit there and suffer through listening through that white noise
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  because the information was so important and you were so hungry.
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  That's the kind of people we've got here, people that are hungry for truth.
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  One
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  night I'm listening to this show that was on late night after
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  Pastor Peters and Bill Cooper.
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  I can't remember the guy's name, he's still in federal prison by the way, you maybe know this story Chris, if I could remember his name.
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  They've got him in that outfit up in Denver for high security criminals and stuff. He had a company called Water Oz
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  and he was making copper and gold and
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  silver colloidal
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  colloidal colloidalizing those metals and selling it.
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  He had some real interesting guests on, and one of them, one night, was this guy Tom Schaff.
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  I had never heard of Tom. I got a hold of him after the broadcast and it was in his infancy too, and I helped him draft some of his legal documents because he was trying to turn this into a business.
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  Okay, I'd been through paralegal school at that point, we connected, had a few conversations,
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  and he shot me the stuff and asked me to help him with it, which I was glad to do.
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  Tom
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  was a CPA
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  in
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  Chicago,
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  Illinois,
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  and somehow,
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  and I never asked him this,
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  he had gotten to a point where he qualified himself
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  as an expert witness.
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  And the reason, of course, these professionals do that is he may make $50
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  an hour as a CPA,
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  but as a CPA forensic
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  expert witness, he may command $250
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  to $500 an hour when he's up there on the stand, and they like that better.
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  Okay,
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  and so what Tom found out when he attained this degree
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  of
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  proficiency,
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  I don't know what else to call it, the approval to be able to do that,
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  was that there was no school in The United States
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  that accredited
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  CPAs
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  to become expert witnesses.
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  And obviously that's the perfect formula for a business: find a need and fill it, and so he started a school
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  to teach other CPAs
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  to qualify to become expert witnesses.
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  And one of his students was a federal regulator,
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  an
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  accountant, a CPA,
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  that went in and did regional
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  accounting
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  to check and make sure on banks
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  in the regulatory area.
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  And so he pulls Tom aside.
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  And get this here's the federal bank regulator pulling the expert witness to the side,
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  and he says every loan in America is a fraud.
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  Every loan in America is a fraud.
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  And Tom says, what the hell are you talking about? And he says, let me show you what they're doing.
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  And that's the bank side of it, and we're going to get to that. But you got to understand the other part of it
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  that precedes
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  that
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  because it is integral to what we talk about here on a daily regular basis, and that's this fact that in this system of importing the feudal
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  era, the feudal system in under the fourteenth amendment,
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  reason they did that is twofold:
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  a) so they can control you with man made laws
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  because otherwise, as we've learned, they can't.
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  B)
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  is so they can make because in that system your property
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  because they can securitize
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  and collateralize
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  and use you in the basis of people saving
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  money.
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  You see this is a money generation
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  machine.
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  Alright, yes Bob?
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  Unknown: Memory peg where you're at on a money making machine that's securitizing us
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  or
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  person.
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  You know, it all goes to jurisdiction. Right? Yes. That's that's the watchword. I'll understand that. I got slapped in the face with a bible verse that is just about as explicit
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  in its
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  rebuke
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  of staying in the system as any I had seen and I had missed it.
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  Had never recognized it. I know I've read it, but it never clicked.
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  The pastor was going through some verse that had world in it, so I have to go and see if the world
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  being used there is cosmos and it was
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  and
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  had nothing to do necessarily with the verse I'm gonna present. So that's kinda tangential.
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  But
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  I'm I'm clicking through Strong's,
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  and I see other references, you know, like 33 other verses in the New Testament.
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  And I click on the next one, and it's Colossians
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  two
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  twenty.
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  You wanna make you you this is one you put on a banner and hang over the over the mantle.
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  Colossians two twenty. It says,
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  if
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  you have died with Christ away from the principles of the world and if cosmos,
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  system of government or constitutional order, if you died to that,
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  why,
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  as if living in the world, do you submit to its decree?
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  Wow.
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  Wow. Wow. Wow. I mean, talk about
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  indicting you?
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  Yeah, well In other words,
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  put it in very dark terms, if you claim to be a Christian, why are you not acting like it? Yeah, let's take it abase further and say that everything's voluntary.
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  Unknown: What it's saying there is you're volunteering
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  in to let them affect you.
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  And see, that's tyranny. Right.
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  Unknown: And you volunteer in because that's the way you keep your goodies. Don't take my biscuit, as Farrell said yesterday. You know? Yeah.
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  Yeah. But I I have never seen that. You know? I've read through that.
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  I don't know how many times.
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  It never struck me what it said. But when I was you know, When you look at it and you understand what the word means,
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  it just looks entirely different. To
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  Unknown: bring that to a very recent event for me that's
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  really important,
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  and I got to tip my hat and thank Chris for this.
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  Because Chris dropped me in an email back, and I went back and got a whole thread on that thing of about 30 different emails, Chris, but you originally sent it,
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  interestingly enough on April 15.
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  He
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  sent me that and I've seen it before,
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  but you
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  know, listen, I'm still coming to understand
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  this thing
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  in the fine points better and better. I had seen that certificate of non
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  citizen US national from the State Department,
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  I'd seen it years ago, I don't think it was the same one, I think they've changed it a bit, but I've not seen any updates they've done. In that is the clearest,
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  most precise,
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  accurate statement I've ever seen the federal government make on this subject.
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  And it says right in there according to the INA, the Immigration and Naturalization
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  Act,
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  US citizens
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  are US nationals.
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  Okay, now they didn't say that and put it in there because they're telling you how great they are, they put that in there because they had to because they're differentiating
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  the American Samoan.
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  So they had to put it in there to set up the differentiation,
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  but that is the single clearest statement I've seen from them, and I'm going to tell you, anybody that's thinking about filing an affidavit,
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  I would take that statement right there
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  and
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  reference their document in the affidavits you're submitting
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  because here these people, back when we were getting the bluff letters,
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  and what's the first paragraph? It appears by what you've sent us that you're a fourteenth amendment citizen basically. Well no, I sent you an explicit legal document, you call it citizenship evidence, and it was properly notarized and formed. I don't know who's
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  suggesting
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  that they can't read that and come away with the right conclusion,
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  but it shows you.
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  How they react shows you things.
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  That's the strongest defense they've got. They've got no defense here.
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  Unknown: Desperation.
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  Unknown: Okay.
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  Got no presumption.
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  Got no defense here, and now we've got for any of you people that are talking to folks,
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  okay, and that they're
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  calling you all kinds of funny names,
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  here's what you do:
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  you go to travel.state.gov.
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  Let me make sure that's the right thing here.
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  I even went and searched it out. Chris, I went and searched it out today because that link that was in there was the link to
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  just the general website.
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  So when you go to it, it's travel.state.gov,
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  travel.state.gov,
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  no HTTP
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  and all that stuff,
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  and you go into the search
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  little bar up at the right, and you put in certificate
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  of non citizen
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  nationality and it'll pop up. I'm going put it in the show notes today so that everybody will have access to it there, but we need to use this.
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  You got anybody out there that you're talking to that's not
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  believing you, or still coming along, or has doubts, or trepidations,
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  or any of that kind of stuff,
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  you go get this document and you put it right in front of them. It's the third
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  paragraph,
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  fourth paragraph down, starts right there. No, third, excuse me, there's one below it, this is the separation one. The one above it is the third paragraph,
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  as defined
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  in the INA,
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  the Immigration and Naturalization
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  Act,
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  all US citizens
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  are US nationals.
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  Thank you very much State Department
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  for finally
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  being a little bit damn honest.
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  Even though they didn't even though they didn't intend to be. They wouldn't put that stuff in there unless they had to. Yeah, Chris?
• 26:33
  Unknown: Well, it's the same language and, effectively, a more comprehensive document
• 26:39
  that comes from the legal information
• 26:42
  institute
• 26:49
  You're clipping. Under title a Okay. Go ahead. Uh-oh. Sorry.
• 26:54
  Under title a USC
• 26:56
  section fourteen fifty two certificate of citizenship
• 27:01
  for
• 27:02
  US noncitizen
• 27:03
  national
• 27:04
  status.
• 27:07
  Unknown: Chris, you're clipping out so bad. We can't we can't I can't get what you're saying and you're throwing code sections and stuff, and that even makes it more difficult. Let's see if we can wait just a little bit and get you in a better site.
• 27:20
  Unknown: You bet. Okay.
• 27:22
  Unknown: But I think that's one of the clearest,
• 27:25
  and you can take that, put it in your affidavit,
• 27:29
  and make a copy of the document form and attach it, you know, attach it with your
• 27:36
  affidavit. See exhibit one and mark it exhibit one.
• 27:42
  Hey, Shane, how are doing?
• 27:46
  Unknown: Sorry, I was in mute. Outside
• 27:49
  smoking a cigarette. So, yeah, I don't have a pen and paper readily available. I would like to write down what Chris has to give.
• 27:58
  Unknown: Okay. Well, it's in the US code. He's trying to cite some US code stuff. So anyway, that's just important and all that. The
• 28:06
  reason it's important is because you're the basis of the damn monetary
• 28:10
  system,
• 28:11
  you and every other poor serf around the world. I just about guarantee you virtually every country in the world's got this system in place.
• 28:21
  Is
• 28:22
  back to biblical references,
• 28:26
  Unknown: Bob.
• 28:28
  Unknown: Revelation,
• 28:29
  this is the horror of Babylon
• 28:32
  because they didn't have paper damn money that they could base people on as collateral and inflate it and exercise the leaven of the pharisees.
• 28:42
  They didn't have all that in Babylon, boys,
• 28:45
  They had real money in Babylon.
• 28:51
  Unknown: I had to get the answer to them to figure it out.
• 28:54
  Unknown: Yeah. You know, and and Daryl mentioned that yesterday.
• 28:58
  Yes,
• 28:59
  mentioned it yesterday and I didn't want to interrupt him, and it was twofold. It wasn't just from Venice,
• 29:06
  although that's where it appears this current day system found its occupancy
• 29:11
  and it was in the black nobility in Venice when Venice ruled the world, because this is the way they used to loan money to and extract it out of countries. It's just the same blueprint,
• 29:21
  it's been modernized,
• 29:23
  obviously it's been had
• 29:25
  a technology applied to it, But the other thing that really exacerbated
• 29:30
  that
• 29:31
  was the
• 29:33
  Inquisition
• 29:33
  in Spain,
• 29:35
  because as the Inquisition in Spain started,
• 29:38
  most of those Jews went north to Amsterdam
• 29:42
  and they combined with those ideas coming out of Venice.
• 29:46
  That's where the nucleus
• 29:49
  of this the Bank of England was not the world's first central bank, the central bank was in Amsterdam first and they brought it over by financing
• 29:58
  William of Orange. It's too
• 30:00
  bad Paul had gone with us to give us more exact history,
• 30:03
  but they
• 30:05
  financed William of Orange.
• 30:07
  William of Orange defeated
• 30:09
  whoever he was fighting,
• 30:11
  he allowed them back in through Cromwell, I believe that was the same time frame,
• 30:16
  and they
• 30:18
  allowed them to establish the Bank of England over there in the city of London, which as we touched on yesterday,
• 30:26
  the reason it's independence has always been the Romans couldn't even conquer it.
• 30:31
  That's the one area England the Romans couldn't conquer was the city of London.
• 30:37
  So that's a lot of the ancient kind of, you know, centuries back background of this. They've devised a way through the years, and through their knowledge and experience, and doing
• 30:48
  this over and over again with countries,
• 30:51
  they came up with a way to impose the feudal system on the world.
• 30:56
  One of the main reasons is because you are then considered
• 31:00
  property.
• 31:02
  I
• 31:03
  brought up
• 31:05
  when Obama was still in,
• 31:08
  and that Paris Peace Accord
• 31:10
  that the French are all raising so much, a lot of that yellow vest stuff comes from the French and the taxes in these accords being implemented on them.
• 31:20
  In that thing that Obama signed in that latest
• 31:25
  Paris Accord,
• 31:27
  there were two stipulations in there that they added into that document
• 31:32
  that tell you what's going on, and one of them was every person born in the world
• 31:38
  has to have a birth certificate,
• 31:43
  and the other is they have to have identification.
• 31:47
  It's the beast system
• 31:49
  of revelation.
• 31:50
  Hey, Darrell.
• 31:52
  You heard your name, I have a Oh. I have a have a question, Roger. Okay, Shane. Well, hold on. Let's get Shane's question, then I'm gonna welcome
• 32:01
  Darrell. Go ahead, Shane. What do you got, buddy?
• 32:05
  Unknown: Is there laws against Southamy?
• 32:09
  Not to my knowledge. Is there any type of
• 32:12
  is there any type of
• 32:16
  pivotal
• 32:18
  exclamation point of
• 32:21
  changing
• 32:22
  Unknown: one thing into another. Yes. They've gotten yes. Back to the friction? Yes. I changed my I said I said that I didn't know of any, but I do. I believe they have laws like that for methamphetamine
• 32:35
  manufacturers.
• 32:41
  Unknown: Alright.
• 32:42
  Unknown: Can use that as an example. Yeah, that'd be a good example, I believe. You're
• 32:46
  welcome. And what they do is they outlaw the drugs or the ingredients,
• 32:51
  Shane. They go back in and restrict all the ingredients
• 32:56
  that are used in a lot of these processes that that are and that one's a bad one because that stuff's horrible. Okay, But anyway, I'd say that's an answer to your question. Daryl, how are you doing, man?
• 33:10
  Unknown: Well, I I'm doing pretty good. I was just on the phone for about an hour to
• 33:15
  one of my customers in in England. And
• 33:19
  so I've been I've been spending a lot of time talking to English guys the last couple days. Yeah. That's they're char I love the accent. It's charming.
• 33:29
  Yeah.
• 33:30
  Well, this this particular fellow was very pithy and and
• 33:34
  very colorful language. It's
• 33:37
  it's it's non non PG 13. It's it's r rated. So Okay.
• 33:43
  But
• 33:44
  anyway,
• 33:46
  so this this whole conversation just sort of continues.
• 33:51
  And
• 33:53
  the
• 33:55
  what you're you're all over it, Roger.
• 33:59
  And what you're over is what
• 34:01
  we just keep it keeps bubbling out, oozing out of the pores is
• 34:06
  the
• 34:09
  corporatization
• 34:10
  of
• 34:11
  sovereignty
• 34:13
  and
• 34:15
  corporate construct. You
• 34:19
  take your shovel, you take your knife, you scrape a little bit and you don't find,
• 34:24
  you know, the general idea of what a government is. Of course nobody really understands what it if
• 34:32
  it's not going to be a corporation here's a great question, okay?
• 34:36
  If government isn't a company and a corporation then what is it?
• 34:40
  Okay?
• 34:41
  Nobody asks that question.
• 34:44
  Well, if it ain't supposed to be this, then what's it supposed to be?
• 34:48
  Okay.
• 34:51
  And I would I would offer
• 34:53
  Unknown: up go ahead. Yeah. I would like to know in your collection of books, or have you thought about acquiring
• 35:01
  a book by John Locke,
• 35:04
  who was the guy that really Jefferson
• 35:07
  keyed on an awful lot, and the founders did,
• 35:10
  called Two Treaties
• 35:12
  of Government.
• 35:15
  Have you ever heard of that? Yeah.
• 35:17
  One of them I've
• 35:19
  Unknown: actually
• 35:20
  it's yeah. I have actually heard of it and I don't have that book, although
• 35:26
  Unknown: yeah. So go ahead. Well, one of them, I don't remember what the other one is, but I can tell you for sure what one of them was,
• 35:32
  and that was government by contract,
• 35:35
  which is what we've got.
• 35:39
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Unknown: Yeah. And and the only way the only thing that you can contract with, okay,
• 35:45
  is a corporation.
• 35:46
  Unknown: Well, can contract with other people. K.
• 35:50
  Unknown: Right. Well,
• 35:52
  Unknown: yeah. But but
• 35:54
  a
• 35:55
  individually?
• 35:56
  Yeah.
• 35:57
  Yeah. You and I can you can you and I can make a an agreement
• 36:02
  man to man. Okay. Yeah. Absolutely.
• 36:05
  Unknown: I mean, I can still can still sell you I can still sell you my guns privately
• 36:11
  and not have to go through any background check or any other stuff.
• 36:15
  Yeah. That that's a contract.
• 36:19
  Unknown: Right. That that that that's that would be that would be an agreement.
• 36:24
  So between two men. Okay. And
• 36:28
  but but what about this other thing this other thing with a
• 36:34
  with a
• 36:36
  company that had that wasn't a living man.
• 36:40
  Okay?
• 36:41
  It's it's another entity. It's a company
• 36:44
  and it's a corporation.
• 36:46
  Now
• 36:48
  can can you just have a verbal agreement with them that's enforceable
• 36:52
  and have a recognizance associated with it? And
• 36:56
  Unknown: What about let me pose let me pose another angle to you. What about if the corporation
• 37:01
  that was doing the governance
• 37:03
  had it set up where they had a property production
• 37:07
  line that they could then collateralize?
• 37:10
  You wouldn't be a corporation,
• 37:12
  but you would be corporate property.
• 37:16
  Unknown: No. Yes. You would. You would be an article in compress and they would have an equity claim upon you. Correct. So
• 37:24
  listen. This so here's the thing. Okay? And we we we we need to
• 37:29
  sort of
• 37:31
  as you refer to the
• 37:33
  patriot mythology and all this other stuff and
• 37:37
  there's many aspects of that are spot on,
• 37:40
  is that you're not a corporation people.
• 37:43
  You are an article in commerce
• 37:46
  and they have an equity
• 37:48
  basis
• 37:50
  in you
• 37:52
  and
• 37:53
  that comes through the birth certificate. That's an equity claim.
• 37:57
  And
• 38:00
  so your
• 38:03
  parents,
• 38:04
  your mother and father, not your parents, your mother and father went into or your mother
• 38:09
  being the
• 38:12
  okay, so your mother went into
• 38:16
  signed you over as a war to the state and they have an equity. Basically, you're in a partnership. She didn't know. Didn't do anything
• 38:25
  Unknown: that caused it except
• 38:27
  have give birth.
• 38:30
  She didn't sign they don't sign anything. And they they compelled her. Yeah.
• 38:34
  Unknown: Well,
• 38:36
  Most most of the most of the women, before they get out of the hospital, are compelled to sign something. Now that doesn't always happen, and then they they just step up the they just step up the the criminality a step farther and do it anyway. But most
• 38:51
  women are compelled
• 38:53
  to sign something. If women
• 38:56
  Unknown: I say most women because some women are going and aborting these kids every time they get pregnant, so you can't apply this to
• 39:03
  the great maternal instinct that God put in them, you can't apply it all of them across the board, it doesn't seem like to me with that going on.
• 39:12
  But yes, most women, if they knew what was going on and that they were birthing their child in the end of slavery, of the modern version, the English version of slavery, they'd have an absolute conniption fit,
• 39:25
  I gotta believe.
• 39:27
  Unknown: Right.
• 39:28
  Yeah. Word got I mean Yeah.
• 39:30
  Unknown: Hold on. Chris is wanting to inject as you're not cracking up too much. Chris, you in a better cell. Oh, yeah.
• 39:37
  Unknown: Hope so.
• 39:38
  Yeah. I can't
• 39:40
  let us overlook the hidden meaning within the word governmentum,
• 39:44
  which means mind control
• 39:47
  and strict
• 39:49
  mind into
• 39:50
  deceiving people and
• 39:52
  to the illusion that they are property the thing without telling them is pretty
• 39:57
  treacherous.
• 39:58
  Unknown: It's it's a hard it's hard to get across to people because you got two obstacles to get across.
• 40:05
  They have a colloquial view of property, first of all, not a legal view, and they cannot envision themselves
• 40:11
  as being a thing.
• 40:16
  Unknown: I don't dispute that. And I also observe
• 40:19
  that when a woman is under the influence of powerful medications and drugs to reduce the pain and delivery,
• 40:25
  saddle blocks and such, I'm not sure she's in her right mind and confidence in making any legal determinations to sign the name. They're probably using press for your deceit saying that so called
• 40:36
  signing over to
• 40:38
  Daryl?
• 40:40
  Unknown: When
• 40:41
  Daryl was talking, he
• 40:44
  you triggered something in me I'd never thought about before. I just mentioned earlier, I'm still learning and understanding, I never thought about this in the connection before.
• 40:53
  If you go back and research
• 40:56
  a term called the long arm statute,
• 41:02
  I believe it's Brown versus International Shoe,
• 41:05
  I believe is the case,
• 41:08
  and that established
• 41:09
  corporate personhood.
• 41:13
  That's how they did it.
• 41:15
  And I
• 41:16
  think it was back in the eighteen hundred's.
• 41:18
  And
• 41:20
  that making
• 41:21
  corporations
• 41:23
  persons
• 41:25
  allowed them to further the impact of the fourteenth amendment
• 41:30
  and broaden it.
• 41:31
  Because to that point, corporations
• 41:34
  were not considered
• 41:35
  persons.
• 41:38
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 41:39
  Well that seems entirely reasonable.
• 41:43
  I mean if we could keep it in within a two hundred year time period.
• 41:47
  If you study the English,
• 41:50
  Great Britain,
• 41:52
  United States,
• 41:54
  you the
• 41:56
  overarching
• 41:57
  part of this is that you see that they put in
• 42:01
  different decisions or legislated certain
• 42:04
  laws
• 42:05
  and
• 42:06
  then they just refine these
• 42:09
  and
• 42:10
  integrate them more in society
• 42:12
  every
• 42:14
  second generation
• 42:15
  and
• 42:17
  it's adopted as custom and usage. So
• 42:20
  you know,
• 42:21
  a woman today or even when you were born, Roger, or I was born,
• 42:28
  they had no reason to believe that anything that they were doing
• 42:33
  within the hospital
• 42:35
  with a doctor
• 42:37
  was,
• 42:39
  you know, compromising
• 42:42
  their child's,
• 42:44
  their baby, their infant
• 42:46
  going forward.
• 42:48
  They were naive enough,
• 42:50
  we all were,
• 42:52
  and this was taken advantage of
• 42:54
  and leveraged. And so this is one of the things that,
• 42:58
  you know,
• 42:59
  our culture,
• 43:00
  our society, the people had to stop doing, they had to stop being naive about this.
• 43:07
  But,
• 43:08
  you know, for example, here's another example. Well, let's go back to the equity side of this.
• 43:14
  Look at
• 43:17
  your your great grandparents didn't have to go get a license,
• 43:20
  alright, to get married.
• 43:22
  Your parents probably got a license, Roger, when they got married. Yes. Alright.
• 43:27
  So where did they get their license from? Well, they contract
• 43:30
  contracted the license with
• 43:34
  the local municipality.
• 43:37
  They went into partnership. It wasn't
• 43:40
  a partnership between man and wife and this and that.
• 43:44
  Okay, you had a three way going
• 43:49
  on there. You got the local government
• 43:52
  and
• 43:53
  the municipality,
• 43:55
  the state,
• 43:56
  and you have the men and the women. Okay? So it's a three way thing that's why they're a party to a divorce.
• 44:03
  Okay? Because they're involved. They're a party
• 44:06
  to that. You have married the state.
• 44:10
  Okay? They they are the
• 44:13
  are the third part of that. And so when you have a child yeah.
• 44:16
  When you have a child,
• 44:18
  okay, well, that's the product
• 44:20
  of that partnership.
• 44:22
  They may have an equity stake in that.
• 44:25
  Unknown: I don't know that I I like the phrase you've brought them in as a partner in your marriage better than married them.
• 44:33
  Okay?
• 44:34
  Because they're a third party in a in a traditional
• 44:37
  two party arrangement. Yeah. Well, here's somebody we hadn't heard from in a while, mister Tom
• 44:42
  Schramm, my old friend for many years, is with us. Hey, Tom. How you doing? Good. This is Tom.
• 44:48
  Well,
• 44:50
  does Tom have his mute on?
• 44:53
  Unknown: Hey, Tom. What do you
• 44:56
  Unknown: Well, he's gonna have to be on mute on. Yeah. There you go. Hey, Tom. Tom had his mute on. Hey. I'm yeah. I'm cruising between
• 45:05
  Atlanta and Alabama and it's my 2¢ worth on about the
• 45:10
  birth certificate we were discussing.
• 45:12
  You know, the the, you know, the mother
• 45:15
  the dad never has anything to do with it, and the mother is listed as the informant
• 45:21
  the document,
• 45:22
  you know, which has a special meaning in law.
• 45:25
  And I think if you
• 45:28
  look back to the history of where these things were formed, it's the trust
• 45:33
  act of 1666.
• 45:36
  Okay? Where
• 45:38
  with the the colonists were you know, the British Empire was actually conquering
• 45:42
  the world,
• 45:44
  and people would get lost at sea.
• 45:46
  And then their estate was back there in England,
• 45:50
  and they established this little scheme there where they could use that
• 45:55
  set that trust
• 45:58
  that was formed
• 46:00
  to
• 46:00
  as a
• 46:02
  to
• 46:03
  protect the guy's estate.
• 46:06
  And then after seven years, he's declared dead
• 46:09
  and they get to probate the estate. He's declared dead and lost at sea.
• 46:15
  And
• 46:17
  scheme
• 46:18
  is behind
• 46:20
  the birth certificate where the corporate municipal state acts as a administrator.
• 46:29
  You know, and and then these things are on box paper and then they they quote bonds against that estate.
• 46:36
  And
• 46:37
  basically,
• 46:38
  one one good quote from a judge I read at Emory was
• 46:43
  that
• 46:44
  the civil marriage contract
• 46:47
  is nothing more
• 46:49
  than an international
• 46:50
  business adventure in Hasbroken.
• 46:53
  And that that was the direct quote from the judge on the subject of a civil marriage contract.
• 47:01
  But any rate, that I think that's how the thing with the and then if you watch the, you know, the the Romley Stewart guy, he actually got there's a debtor side to this birth certificate
• 47:14
  and the creditor side And the creditor side is to be claimed by the guy when he comes back home, because that's his estate.
• 47:21
  He's really
• 47:22
  actually, if you look at our government
• 47:26
  Ben Franklin
• 47:27
  called the thing the company,
• 47:29
  which was the first United States Of America incorporated
• 47:33
  that,
• 47:34
  you know, we had the
• 47:37
  individual
• 47:38
  nation states that all got formed together, and then they formed the United States Of America to go buy bombs, do the 21 things that
• 47:48
  were enumerated.
• 47:49
  It didn't accomplish.
• 47:50
  So,
• 47:51
  anyway, these corporations basically took over as the government
• 47:56
  through
• 47:57
  a couple different things, but the civil war may
• 48:01
  and I said, really, the the municipal
• 48:06
  United States is administered by the vote,
• 48:09
  and the territorial United States administered
• 48:12
  by the the Westminster
• 48:14
  of the city.
• 48:16
  And
• 48:17
  then the Azure government that made the incorporation
• 48:21
  is out to lunch
• 48:23
  because it's unincorporated.
• 48:26
  The original
• 48:27
  trust indenture called the constitution for
• 48:31
  the little United States Of America is totally unincorporated,
• 48:35
  but it's out to lunch.
• 48:37
  Unknown: Well, you see, one difference attorney house. We've got one big difference between the other crown colonies,
• 48:43
  Tom, and the stuff that's coming out of Australia and England and Canada.
• 48:47
  They don't have the fourteenth amendment.
• 48:51
  Unknown: Well, that yes. Well, that's the federal constitution.
• 48:54
  If we don't have one in the constitution for The United States Of America, that's
• 48:59
  the corporate bylaws, one that created that person out of the slaves
• 49:04
  and then tricked all the white people.
• 49:07
  You know, through through their relations with private
• 49:11
  private money changers.
• 49:14
  Okay. But what happened? And the Pope. The Pope figured
• 49:17
  yeah. The Belgian didn't figure on all municipal corporations. If you see Japan in all capital letters,
• 49:24
  it's a registered on the US Securities and Exchange Commission
• 49:29
  and and under the municipal corporation known as The United States.
• 49:34
  So a a citizen of capital Japan,
• 49:37
  okay, is a US citizen.
• 49:40
  And that's what's going on with what you were talking about before where
• 49:44
  everybody is presumed to be this municipal
• 49:47
  citizen,
• 49:48
  and they all have to have birth certificates and all that stuff. And that's that's right out of revelation in the Vatican. And the birth certificate is what more than likely a warehouse receipt, and all it does is reinforce
• 50:01
  Unknown: the presumption
• 50:02
  and allow them to collateralize you. And that's where we were going, Tom. Not on not on
• 50:09
  I
• 50:09
  was trying to go on a money conversation. Let me finish on that. Okay. There's two birth certificates
• 50:15
  Unknown: that that you can look at
• 50:17
  the the definitive
• 50:19
  proof on that for that Romley Stewart guy. He went down to the courthouse
• 50:23
  and got the birth date. That was when the birth was registered.
• 50:28
  Okay? And that's the creditor's birth certificate.
• 50:30
  And the one they give us is the debtor's birth certificate.
• 50:34
  And then we're surety
• 50:36
  to
• 50:38
  the administrator,
• 50:39
  which is The United States,
• 50:42
  okay, for that
• 50:44
  debtor guy, and they're holding the creditor guy.
• 50:48
  See, that's where and that's the thing that says decree be where
• 50:52
  you're presumed off at sea and you got seven years to come back or else you're just presumed dead. And then they get to they float all these bonds and all these things on that creditor side.
• 51:03
  Unknown: Anybody in The US
• 51:06
  that's watched these videos of the guy from Australia
• 51:09
  tried to go in and verify that there are two types of birth certificates in our country, because I've never seen that before, especially in the If you want to sit here, Roger, you've got both of them right up there on Yes, the and he's in Tom, he's in Australia.
• 51:26
  Unknown: Right.
• 51:27
  Right. And he'll tell you that the Australia he's talking about is registered on the US Securities
• 51:34
  and Exchange Commission as
• 51:36
  a
• 51:37
  franchisee
• 51:38
  of The United States.
• 51:40
  Unknown: Somebody
• 51:42
  in The US up there, like maybe Brian, if he's listening because he's all over this birth certificate issue,
• 51:49
  see if we've got the same two types of birth certificates
• 51:53
  that he shows
• 51:55
  evidences in the Australian situation.
• 51:58
  Because I
• 51:59
  Unknown: don't think to be that way. Well,
• 52:02
  Unknown: you think so, but you don't know. Well, you don't I don't think
• 52:06
  Unknown: I I don't think you believe there's three different constitutions
• 52:09
  Unknown: that are going than two of emergent corporate bylaws. Well, I know I know that there's two different ones. There's a line of demarcation,
• 52:16
  Unknown: Tom, but you don't think it's the feudal system, and the proof is overriding that it is. No. I don't I don't I disagree. Now I do think it's the penal system. I think this thing's been going on right from the beginning, and you're right on top of it. And I'm just trying to you know, things have been
• 52:33
  proven to me and made clear over, like, the last year or so that I didn't put all the fill in all the borders of the jigsaw puzzle,
• 52:42
  but now pretty much can prove
• 52:45
  and my affidavits that have gone on and proved exactly what we're talking about. Yep. See, these things that come at you and act like they're the government, both of them are two different government services corporations
• 52:57
  that we employed
• 52:59
  to perform certain limited functions,
• 53:02
  and they've tricked us out of it like the, okay, the maids and the butlers that took over the mansion.
• 53:09
  We hired the plumber to come in here and fix our pipes and do all those stuff and make sure they didn't step on anybody's rights in the middle of it. And now
• 53:16
  we then they created that, like you said, when they created that person of the corporation,
• 53:22
  and then
• 53:23
  they used that JEDL thing, that SESTIQEVY
• 53:27
  Trust Act was one of them from 1666.
• 53:30
  That's how it operates.
• 53:33
  That you presumed lost. Your mom's the informant that you've lost. You're lost. You don't have a daddy and you lost. And then
• 53:42
  you sit there in seven years at dues and and perform.
• 53:46
  Then then when you get old enough to contract, you make a confirmatory
• 53:50
  thing that yep. Dead forever.
• 53:52
  Just a person now just a thing now.
• 53:54
  The real guy is lost somewhere.
• 53:56
  Unknown: Well, know, that's an interesting question right there. If somebody's under 18, do you have to have a parent or guardian, or can you uncontract
• 54:05
  under 18 for this thing?
• 54:08
  Unknown: It depends. It depends if you're using the American law common law of the land, pre white '21,
• 54:14
  or the statutory
• 54:16
  go off and bomb people men 18 that they say that these persons
• 54:21
  Unknown: these kinds of persons have the capacity to contract at 18. Because, you know, they make you volunteer even if you're drafted.
• 54:31
  Unknown: Right. But I they I think there's even
• 54:34
  Unknown: they just and they keep lowering that age of consent too. Well, they're trying to lower the voting age to 16. I've heard that floated, but I know that even if you're drafted, when you get on the bus and go to wherever they
• 54:47
  induct you,
• 54:48
  they bring you all into an airport or a bus station and they put everybody against the wall and they say everybody that wants to volunteer,
• 54:56
  step over this line. And if you don't step over the line, they won't induct you even though you were drafted.
• 55:05
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, they say as they do have to get like, it's in the Silent Weapons for Quiet Horse. Their consent is our victory. Well, now it's gotten to the point of two or three generations of government schools and everything that they're able to employ the ancient Roman principle of pictio,
• 55:21
  where you're not even allowed to say you ain't a US citizen like you're doing to my son right now. They're making him be a US citizen
• 55:28
  against his will and against all these affidavits filed with the secretary and everybody else because
• 55:35
  they can they're able to presume he's a US citizen even though they know he's not for the purposes of obtaining jurisdiction,
• 55:43
  and then the defendant is not allowed to
• 55:47
  a ver otherwise
• 55:49
  or demure.
• 55:51
  So, you know, and and then they just check you in jail and everybody else goes, you should've done what they say, and then life goes on. Know? Yep. But the
• 55:59
  monkey wrench is getting thrown into the thing still. It's pretty very interesting little development involved, different sides of things.
• 56:07
  And,
• 56:08
  you know, the argument has been served and perfected and affidavit and notarized and and admitted with their own laws saying that and their own laws are the rules of evidence. Like, if you don't deny this, you admit it. And I filled out criminal complaints against them, and then the sheriffs join in with the judges, and then, yeah, that's pretty easy.
• 56:29
  But
• 56:30
  Unknown: Well, you got freeing about. You ought to stuff you ought to stuff this
• 56:35
  certificate of non of non citizen nationality
• 56:38
  under them with that statement from the State Department. All all US citizens are US citizens. It
• 56:44
  says it right there. You know, I
• 56:47
  Unknown: yeah. I have. And and I've sent I've sent registered
• 56:50
  letters to the secretary of state about what they're doing down here and the attorney general and the attorney general of Georgia. So, you know, I mean, these guys had been covered and notarized,
• 57:03
  sworn under the penalties of perjury of the laws of The United States along without The United States.
• 57:09
  And all his current documents that prove who he is and what he is and everything. And so, you know, like I say,
• 57:16
  that the best of my,
• 57:19
  you know, dealings
• 57:20
  at least here, you know, like, we're we're we're we're we're we're and
• 57:24
  we're I've been through every judge in the
• 57:27
  know you know, in the Appalachian
• 57:29
  judicial circuit.
• 57:31
  And now I'm right up at the top judge
• 57:33
  who was the same lady that I asked, how do you live in the corporation fifteen years ago?
• 57:39
  So
• 57:40
  and the whole thing's the whole thing's, like, wild as far as them not having to follow
• 57:46
  any rules of procedure.
• 57:48
  Like the first thing you do is you
• 57:50
  establish jurisdiction.
• 57:53
  And I had affidavits that were on file with the secretary
• 57:56
  And I really stumped them that day. I was in the court for three hours and the judge never said one word to me and the prosecutor didn't know what to do. That
• 58:05
  said
• 58:06
  the whole thing because
• 58:08
  they admitted there that they didn't have jurisdiction. All they did at the end of that day was try and transfer it to Superior Court,
• 58:15
  which I felt that criminal complaints and stuff when they started transferring
• 58:20
  because I gave them notice that this court failed to establish jurisdiction.
• 58:24
  They admitted they didn't have jurisdiction,
• 58:26
  so they didn't have any
• 58:28
  right to transfer it over here. Well, those guys don't listen and didn't do that.
• 58:33
  Unknown: They got they got every they got every reason in the world
• 58:39
  to defeat you. Pensions,
• 58:42
  paychecks,
• 58:43
  Unknown: everything else. Right. Well, they got the gun from the keys to the cave. Well,
• 58:47
  you know. Where we are,
• 58:50
  Unknown: where you are is where the patriot community's been the whole time I've been in it, is trying to fight this battle from the bottom up, and you're not gonna win that way. Or if you do, you're gonna be damn lucky and Well, that's not what I was doing. Real scarred. I had my yeah.
• 59:05
  Unknown: Well,
• 59:07
  Roger, what are you gonna do? I had it I had it on file at the start date at the top. That's not
• 59:13
  Unknown: Tom 15 year old. Tom, don't Yeah. Called in here and hijacked
• 59:18
  the show with all this stuff and direction
• 59:20
  we weren't going in, but it all comes back down. I don't think you're gonna get any satisfaction
• 59:27
  until you start going to the top of their court systems
• 59:30
  and not local trying to work your way up. Go
• 59:33
  up there to the DC court of claims. Well, great. Well then disagree and go do it your way. It's okay.
• 59:40
  Unknown: No,
• 59:41
  don't. I said, I don't disagree. I agree with you. I absolutely
• 59:45
  agree with you. So so that that is and the DC court of claims, I've already downloaded how you do all that yet. I'm
• 59:52
  still
• 59:53
  Unknown: I'm still exhausting administrative premises. How about that? Well, that's okay. I'm a you know, it's like beating your head against a wall is you you the only you it feels so damn good when you stop, and I'd like to see you get some relief for you and especially
• 1:00:08
  Especially
• 1:00:09
  especially
• 1:00:10
  for Josh.
• 1:00:11
  Well,
• 1:00:13
  Unknown: right. Right. Well, if they just would spit this stick over this back fish out in the mouth, I'll go swimming up to the top, swimming wherever I need to swim. But right now, the bottom is what's coming out and the top's not stopping them.
• 1:00:25
  Well, you have Okay. So
• 1:00:27
  yeah. And then so and then at at some point in time, I'll bet you there was the latest thing I just did this last week where I got a certified copy of that judge's oath of office and got a notarized contract that I accept your oath of office as a valid contract between you and me that you are gonna honor my God given create and my son's God given, and and and they canceled the next court date after I got that.
• 1:00:55
  Unknown: Okay. Well, maybe that's an approach. You know? I didn't mean to hijack your show. Well, that's okay. I was my hope
• 1:01:02
  I mean, hell, we hadn't heard from you since you went to Arizona in the bus last year. Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Unknown: Yeah. That's why I was just giving you an update. A lot of different Well, hope things
• 1:01:12
  in development.
• 1:01:14
  Unknown: Was back when that was happening, I said, I hope that Tom finds something that maybe other people can find a sliver of relief coming up from the bottom up and going after these guys bonds
• 1:01:25
  has been around for a long time.
• 1:01:28
  Okay? And I hope you're successful at it, Tom. Maybe that's a grasp,
• 1:01:32
  a thread of hope for everybody.
• 1:01:35
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, well, you know, the thing is, Roger, I don't disagree with anything you're saying or suggesting.
• 1:01:41
  I'm just saying, what are you gonna do when they come for you?
• 1:01:44
  You have to do something. I have them right from the top, right from the beginning, the top, the bottom, and the middle. Right. And then and then, you know, if if they won't fight what I said back when I started your show was,
• 1:01:57
  you know you have tyranny
• 1:01:58
  when you no longer can peacefully redress your grievance. When you can't go to these public servants, there's their only job is to protect our life, liberty, and property. Okay? But they're really bar attorneys working for agents of our own principles.
• 1:02:13
  You know? And and they're here to exploit and
• 1:02:17
  and tyrannize and
• 1:02:19
  conquer and pianize and whatever they do. Yeah. So and and they gotta get you to consent. But
• 1:02:26
  Unknown: we're about three generations doing that. Most of these attorneys don't know any
• 1:02:31
  law hardly, they know procedure and they don't know they're working for somebody else. They may think something's wrong.
• 1:02:37
  They're out there trying to make a living, feed their family, and keep a damn roof over their heads.
• 1:02:44
  Unknown: That's right. You know, and then but I do know I do know these superior court judges
• 1:02:49
  by watching them over and over again. They know what they're doing as far as the
• 1:02:56
  dictio and
• 1:02:57
  presuming jurisdiction.
• 1:02:59
  You know, see, I had
• 1:03:01
  this common
• 1:03:03
  law qua warranto filed, okay, which is supposed to be a priority writ.
• 1:03:08
  And
• 1:03:09
  what it what it functions as is you're coming x rail for the people of the state, and you're
• 1:03:15
  you're making sure they did everything that was required at their office and didn't do anything that was forbidden by their office. And I had all my documents that these guys got, like the jurisdictional
• 1:03:27
  things, the criminal complaint things,
• 1:03:30
  all
• 1:03:31
  all of that stuff.
• 1:03:32
  And and,
• 1:03:34
  any rate, she she she,
• 1:03:37
  she,
• 1:03:38
  dismissed the case using this guy that was convicted of rape and incest and everything.
• 1:03:44
  And then he went to the appeals court after he got convicted of all those mala and say crimes, you know, the crimes confer jurisdiction. Right? So so and and so he goes to the appeals court and claims that he's a sovereign citizen, so no that those great laws apply to him. And she and I'm in there challenging
• 1:04:04
  the previous court's jurisdiction,
• 1:04:06
  and she's sitting up there as the judge when I have that filed case. It hasn't even gone out for service yet. And I paid for the service to to the other judges and all that. And he dismisses the case when it's not even scheduled before the court,
• 1:04:19
  and she's sitting up there waiting for it
• 1:04:22
  and gets jurisdiction over my son and says I can't talk to for him all at the same time. You know? It's like, it's beyond the point of ridiculousness
• 1:04:32
  that you have tyranny when you peacefully tell the truth and present affidavits
• 1:04:37
  and have them follow their required procedures.
• 1:04:40
  Unknown: I think it says somewhere till suffrage becomes insufferable.
• 1:04:45
  Brian Howard joined us. He heard his name out there and dialed
• 1:04:49
  in. Hey, Brian, you got something to weigh in on this conversation?
• 1:04:55
  Hey, Roger. Can you hear me okay? Hear you fine.
• 1:04:59
  Unknown: Hello.
• 1:05:00
  I hear you fine. Can
• 1:05:02
  you hear us? It's good to hear you guys. Okay. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, fine.
• 1:05:07
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:05:08
  Unknown: Hey, I was just gonna add to the conversation of always
• 1:05:13
  loved to hear
• 1:05:14
  this topic.
• 1:05:17
  Tom, you mentioned the gentleman out in Australia,
• 1:05:20
  Romley,
• 1:05:21
  which I'm familiar. I've watched just about everything. We shoot emails back and forth on anything that new comes out. But Yes.
• 1:05:28
  I would I would love to try
• 1:05:32
  I'll sign my name on to go
• 1:05:35
  do that practice because I'd like to figure out what, you know, this thing that he's discovered, which is groundbreaking.
• 1:05:42
  Unknown: But it's true. It's and yes? I had a question for you. Wild how he got that thing. I I I have a question for you specifically because you're intimate knowledge of this, more so than any of us really, firsthand.
• 1:05:55
  Do you think the verification
• 1:05:57
  fact sheet in The US
• 1:06:00
  stands as the other birth certificate?
• 1:06:06
  Unknown: That's a good question. It very well could be well, actually, probably I would agree with that,
• 1:06:13
  Roger, because what it does, that's the
• 1:06:17
  instrument that's used to create
• 1:06:20
  the
• 1:06:21
  debtor
• 1:06:22
  birth certificate,
• 1:06:23
  and I do, I would agree with Tom that this guy has discovered there's two different
• 1:06:31
  birth certificates,
• 1:06:33
  one specifically
• 1:06:34
  being
• 1:06:35
  the registration
• 1:06:36
  date, and I think this gentleman, and Tom, add to this if I'm incorrect,
• 1:06:40
  I think what the gentleman did was
• 1:06:42
  went in and applied for a new birth certificate,
• 1:06:46
  and the birth date was basically the registration date.
• 1:06:51
  And I think that's
• 1:06:54
  the trick, I'm not sure if
• 1:06:55
  Unknown: could do it. The birth certificate that he used to illustrate
• 1:07:01
  had the correct birth date on it and the other one was the date that they got the warehouse receipt formed, right?
• 1:07:10
  Unknown: I think that's correct. That's right, okay.
• 1:07:13
  Unknown: Then the verification
• 1:07:15
  fact sheet, which has the facts of the
• 1:07:18
  the details of the birth,
• 1:07:21
  that would have the correct date on it. It seems like that might be, in our country, what parallels is going on in Australia to me.
• 1:07:32
  Unknown: I might offer up a Please,
• 1:07:35
  I think
• 1:07:36
  I think that the manufacturer's
• 1:07:39
  certificate of origin, the original live birth record with the footprints,
• 1:07:43
  handprints, the bio testamentary evidence on it, is
• 1:07:48
  the first document that you're talking about, the real one.
• 1:07:51
  Then they create the certificate of title,
• 1:07:54
  the registration
• 1:07:56
  form which registrate or stratifies it, name the corporate regions, corporate state which are two different dates because of two different
• 1:08:04
  maneuvers,
• 1:08:05
  legal technical maneuvers,
• 1:08:07
  tricks.
• 1:08:08
  And this is where the disparity shows up. The fraud is revealed
• 1:08:13
  that you're being claim jumped by the corporate state through treachery and trickery. If
• 1:08:19
  Unknown: John's supposition
• 1:08:21
  is correct, and I think it is,
• 1:08:23
  that this birth certificate is commercial document warehouse
• 1:08:27
  receipt,
• 1:08:29
  When the warehouse receipt is formed,
• 1:08:32
  it takes on the body of the good.
• 1:08:35
  The good only exists in a shadowy existence,
• 1:08:40
  and the good then becomes
• 1:08:42
  the warehouse receipt.
• 1:08:44
  That's when the property
• 1:08:46
  they already have you as property because the mother and father don't sign the verification fact sheet. Right, Brian?
• 1:08:56
  Unknown: They don't now, and I have proof that both of my daughters, that was basically slipped through, and we don't we I have the the actual physical form, and we didn't sign it. Right. Okay. They may do it in other they may do it in other states or in other instances, but I I have evidence that they don't. I bet you they don't do it anywhere, and there's no reason for them to do it because mother was considered property.
• 1:09:21
  Unknown: She'd been under the presumption all of her life, so had dad,
• 1:09:25
  even for his momentary
• 1:09:27
  involvement.
• 1:09:27
  When the child was born,
• 1:09:30
  the verification
• 1:09:31
  fact sheet would represent
• 1:09:33
  you being property because the parents do not sign it.
• 1:09:38
  And
• 1:09:39
  that seems like it would be in our country this original
• 1:09:44
  birth certificate that the Australian guy is talking about, and the other one is the commercial birth certificate,
• 1:09:51
  which it appears is a warehouse receipt.
• 1:09:54
  And from then on,
• 1:09:56
  you, even though you live, breathe, eat, work, and pay your taxes,
• 1:10:00
  take on a shadowy existence and they control you. And we see it in the way they do it.
• 1:10:08
  Unknown: Hey
• 1:10:09
  Tom or anybody, can anybody add in that's studied this Ronn Meat guy? Because I think there's two
• 1:10:17
  there's two points that I picked up on that it's not only the
• 1:10:22
  it's not the born on date, it's the actual registration
• 1:10:25
  date that's being
• 1:10:27
  declared as
• 1:10:29
  the
• 1:10:30
  main date to
• 1:10:32
  create the creditor
• 1:10:35
  birth certificate, which he supposedly has. He used the registration
• 1:10:39
  date and not the born on date.
• 1:10:42
  And he also used a variation of basically his
• 1:10:46
  surname,
• 1:10:47
  basically the first and the middle name, I believe,
• 1:10:50
  and because I think the surname something has something to do with it as well, and that may very well go back to this Justinian
• 1:10:57
  thing, the Roman Emperor, where they created this to push the you know, to create to continue the Roman
• 1:11:04
  bond market, basically.
• 1:11:06
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, if if you if you look at that, I recommend everybody watch that video. He's got he's got the two sitting there. Okay? And it is the date of registration.
• 1:11:16
  And then, you know, the guy's name is Romley Stewart.
• 1:11:20
  Well, his his his last
• 1:11:23
  name is Stover.
• 1:11:25
  And on that one that's the date of registration,
• 1:11:29
  it's it's it's listed as full name
• 1:11:33
  Romney Stewart. And that's what that's what he did to get the thing. Okay? And then surname
• 1:11:38
  Stover
• 1:11:39
  is in a different section on that thing. So that's his common law name. His Christian name is Romley Stewart
• 1:11:46
  of the Schramm or the or the or the
• 1:11:51
  Stover
• 1:11:52
  surname,
• 1:11:52
  which is just your family name. I've got you. So, anyway and then how he got that was he went down to the the clerk of the court, the the magistrate court
• 1:12:03
  and
• 1:12:05
  listed
• 1:12:06
  that as his full name.
• 1:12:09
  And when they're asking for his date of birth, he gave them
• 1:12:13
  the
• 1:12:14
  date of registration,
• 1:12:16
  and then he gave them their address to send it back to and told them to call him when that certificate came in. And they called him, and then when he went in there,
• 1:12:27
  he
• 1:12:28
  he was he got it addressed to the court, so he made them open it
• 1:12:32
  too because there's another there's, you know, there's a whole lot of ways these attorneys do stuff. But but, anyway, he's
• 1:12:39
  got
• 1:12:40
  you know, he sort of confirmed.
• 1:12:42
  Now he's got the creditor side,
• 1:12:44
  not the debtor side
• 1:12:46
  that that he's the holder of.
• 1:12:49
  You know? So
• 1:12:51
  that's, you know, to
• 1:12:53
  me and and and then the other thing I learned from him is that
• 1:12:59
  the thing that's called The United States, which is really the District of Columbia,
• 1:13:04
  that
• 1:13:05
  is the Vatican
• 1:13:07
  corporate municipal
• 1:13:09
  corporation
• 1:13:10
  and even Queensland, like Queensland, Australia in all capital letters is
• 1:13:16
  listed on the US Securities and Exchange Commission as a municipal corporation.
• 1:13:22
  That's and that's who's coming after Joshua.
• 1:13:24
  And who's coming after Joshua is the
• 1:13:27
  city of Allegheny, in all capital letters,
• 1:13:30
  and the
• 1:13:32
  county of Gilmer, and the state of Georgia, in all capital letters. It's that municipal corporation that's coming after him.
• 1:13:39
  It's not, you know, because there is the territorial
• 1:13:43
  state of Georgia in upper and lower case.
• 1:13:46
  So but anyway,
• 1:13:48
  it's very interesting. I would recommend everybody just watch it because he sits there with both of them and tells you how he got the thing and what it you know, and then,
• 1:13:56
  like I said, I discovered from him is all these municipal corporate governments like Japan,
• 1:14:03
  like England, they're all on the US Securities Exchange Commission
• 1:14:08
  in Washington DC
• 1:14:10
  as municipal corporate
• 1:14:12
  government corporations.
• 1:14:15
  And
• 1:14:17
  they go under the guise of that they're performing government services for us in the commercial sense. Okay? And that we're sure to anything they do. Go bomb, do anything, and they do it through these presumed
• 1:14:31
  trust situations
• 1:14:32
  with the person too.
• 1:14:35
  I think that I think the big key of what's going on is is is the pope running the place like he always has
• 1:14:42
  through municipal corporations?
• 1:14:44
  He he was the vicar of Christ in the Justinian era where he owned all the the world and everybody and everything in it, and he's the vicar of Christ. And then he put the
• 1:14:56
  king, which is his appointed
• 1:14:58
  position
• 1:14:59
  over there in England,
• 1:15:01
  as the father of all the city in London, the father of all corporations.
• 1:15:07
  So the question is, how many corporations are there on earth? The answer is really one.
• 1:15:12
  And everybody else is a real franchisee
• 1:15:15
  of that thing. And I think that if you watch that, yeah. If we're the only country on earth, See, that's why they call it the new world when we came over here. Because we wanted to get away from the pope and the king oppressing everybody. So because they printed the Gutenberg Bible, everybody figured out those guys, they ain't our daddy anymore, and we're gonna go over here where we can set up no king but Jesus. You know? And they sent the bar attorneys over here to infiltrate us and set up all these little corporate deals, and we tried to throw them out with the original thirteenth amendment.
• 1:15:48
  And
• 1:15:49
  they started the war of eighteen twelve where they went and burnt down all the courthouses.
• 1:15:53
  So and and that original thirteenth amendment is still on the original constitution that ended it, the thirteenth amendment.
• 1:16:00
  Well said. Well said. But but but they put it in the closet, and then they got these little government corporations acting like they owe the government, and the dog is, like, taking over the master.
• 1:16:12
  Unknown: And Persephone
• 1:16:13
  their business.
• 1:16:15
  And Persephone
• 1:16:17
  sits atop
• 1:16:18
  the US capital.
• 1:16:20
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:16:21
  it's nothing new under the sun, boys. I think you've always you you and you guys have always been right about the feudal thing and that that's just how it works. And, you know, if you have the world according to Garth, well, that's the world according to Tom.
• 1:16:34
  Unknown: Well, the world according to the Vatican and Persephone and the legend is that she controls and owns everything she oversees.
• 1:16:44
  Unknown: That's it. That's it. And then and then we were the only place on Earth where we actually fled from them to the new world because
• 1:16:53
  they the Justinian thing was over the known. They made the mistake of using an adjective in there that he was the vicar of Christ for every in the known world. Well, this was the unknown world. It it became the new world.
• 1:17:07
  And then we were trying to make sure this didn't happen over here, and they sent their little vermin scoundrel bar attorneys that's still our agents, a foreign principal.
• 1:17:16
  So when you go into their place
• 1:17:18
  and say, you know, they don't you're you're to be suppressed any way you can even if by force because we don't work for you. We were we're trying to exploit you and pillage you and use you to go conquer the rest of the world.
• 1:17:33
  Unknown: The good news is most people can get out of this fairly easily. Okay,
• 1:17:38
  it's just like with Chris trying to get his passport
• 1:17:41
  and Thomas Maddox out in Texas with what happened with him and Tom's background dealing with these people and a couple of isolated cases, because I really truly believe you guys are pretty isolated,
• 1:17:54
  unique cases, all right. For
• 1:17:57
  most people, especially if you've got a clean slate,
• 1:18:01
  getting out of this shooting match is pretty easy. The hard part is learning, you're have to study and learn some information, you're going to have to learn to use your brain again in some instances,
• 1:18:12
  You're gonna have to become empowered and get some guts.
• 1:18:15
  That's what it takes. That's what you're gonna sacrifice.
• 1:18:18
  I go back to the old statement,
• 1:18:20
  freedom ain't free.
• 1:18:25
  K.
• 1:18:26
  Unknown: Roger?
• 1:18:27
  Unknown: Shane.
• 1:18:29
  Unknown: Yes.
• 1:18:30
  My slate is not clean. I still owe money.
• 1:18:34
  Unknown: Well, that's not what I'm talking that's not what I'm talking about with a clean slate. I'm talking about you don't bring all this baggage like Chris did, where they want you so bad they for get forged documents and put people in there to go stick you in the funny farm for ninety damn days.
• 1:18:51
  Owing money, owing money, owing money. The only thing that owing money would hurt,
• 1:18:57
  Shane, that I know of,
• 1:19:00
  is if you owe it in child support,
• 1:19:04
  you can't get a passport.
• 1:19:06
  If you owe it in taxes over $50,000
• 1:19:09
  in collections, in collections,
• 1:19:12
  they won't issue you a passport and if you've got somebody hit your mute please
• 1:19:17
  there's some real bad noise and they hiss some stuff in the background. Thank you, Brian.
• 1:19:23
  If you owe over $50,000
• 1:19:25
  in collections to the IRS,
• 1:19:28
  they won't
• 1:19:29
  issue you one, and if you've got one, they revoked, I think I saw an article,
• 1:19:35
  they revoked 380,000
• 1:19:37
  passports last year
• 1:19:39
  because of taxes on the tax issue.
• 1:19:42
  And if you've got a mortgage on your home, Shane, you can't get it off the property rolls.
• 1:19:48
  Those are about the only three adversarial
• 1:19:50
  things I know of, of you owing money that would have any impact on people going through this.
• 1:19:57
  Unknown: Well, I'm fortunate,
• 1:19:59
  I'm very fortunate.
• 1:20:00
  Unknown: Well listen, all of us are fortunate that are keyed into this information and these concepts
• 1:20:05
  because you got a handle on some sanity. Think of the poor people out there that don't understand this stuff, that are having all of these things happen in their lives and seeing the world go cattywampus,
• 1:20:17
  and they don't have any idea why.
• 1:20:20
  And consequently
• 1:20:21
  they cannot make an accurate decision as to the future.
• 1:20:27
  Now you think about that:
• 1:20:29
  what this information and all the study and everything we do is to put us in a position to make better positions for the future,
• 1:20:38
  and that's where the rubber meets the road on us coming out of this damn cloud of mess and bunch of crap,
• 1:20:45
  and some of the other people, as much as I hate it for them, they are gonna go through it. Whatever it is, they're they're destined to go through it and we're destined to get our butts out of it. So we better be real grateful.
• 1:20:58
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, when you when you see danger,
• 1:21:02
  a wise man a wise man flees.
• 1:21:06
  And
• 1:21:08
  so
• 1:21:11
  that was
• 1:21:12
  a pretty amazing dissertation there.
• 1:21:15
  Covered a lot of ground and
• 1:21:19
  well said.
• 1:21:22
  If you go back to
• 1:21:24
  something that was
• 1:21:27
  identified
• 1:21:28
  in about 1966
• 1:21:31
  Roger, you were living here in 1966,
• 1:21:33
  Unknown: weren't you? I was living I was graduating from high school in Anchorage, Alaska in 1966
• 1:21:39
  and headed to I
• 1:21:42
  Unknown: was I was about I was about 10 years old then.
• 1:21:46
  And
• 1:21:48
  I noticed that my stepfather was really grouchy about a lot of things that were happening in the community. I actually remember that now and his complaining.
• 1:21:58
  And he was complaining about taxes
• 1:22:00
  and he was complaining about the cops.
• 1:22:03
  And
• 1:22:06
  my grandfather was involved in that conversation
• 1:22:09
  and
• 1:22:10
  and,
• 1:22:12
  you know,
• 1:22:13
  I I kind of vaguely remember there being a bunch of conversation.
• 1:22:19
  And
• 1:22:21
  it occurs to me now all these years later, fifty years later,
• 1:22:26
  that
• 1:22:27
  this was the time when all these little towns like
• 1:22:32
  Lacona,
• 1:22:33
  Iowa and Milo and Liberty Center were all Liberty Center had 50 people in it. It became incorporated.
• 1:22:43
  An incorporated municipality.
• 1:22:45
  Whereas before, it wasn't.
• 1:22:47
  And this big thing of incorporation
• 1:22:50
  was taking overwhelming
• 1:22:52
  the municipal incorporation
• 1:22:54
  was consolidating
• 1:22:56
  all the way through
• 1:22:58
  The United States,
• 1:23:00
  all the states,
• 1:23:02
  and all this municipal juggernaut
• 1:23:04
  was
• 1:23:06
  Unknown: cinching down and and locking everything down. Do you do you have any recall of any of that? No. No. I don't because I wasn't in a in one spot, you know, because dad was in the service and we moved and and,
• 1:23:19
  you know, I wasn't conscious of those kind of things, but I did want to ask you, and because see this is when a lot of things happened in that time frame in the 60s. It's about ten years since they shut the trapdoor,
• 1:23:31
  they had the tax system in place, and they started all the social upheaval and stuff with the British music invasion, came right out of Tavistock Institute,
• 1:23:41
  all those, the pill, all those things happening right there, and it seems like that would be a proper time for them to tie up the loose ends at the grassroots level. So when an
• 1:23:53
  unincorporated
• 1:23:55
  town
• 1:23:56
  incorporates
• 1:23:57
  and becomes a municipality,
• 1:24:00
  obviously
• 1:24:01
  that qualifies
• 1:24:02
  them for goodies.
• 1:24:04
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:24:05
  And in the form of law.
• 1:24:08
  So so the what I remember is that my my my stepfather was talking about
• 1:24:15
  the difference between I actually recall this conversation.
• 1:24:18
  He he
• 1:24:20
  he said, when did when did these when did these guys become cops and not peace officers? Yep. K.
• 1:24:27
  And and I I recall that.
• 1:24:30
  And
• 1:24:31
  I I actually remember
• 1:24:33
  I actually remember a guy who was in the little town of Milo was a was a peace officer. And then when I was like 16, 17 and driving a car, he wasn't a peace officer anymore. He was a cop. He was a policeman.
• 1:24:47
  And, you know, I never really put that together. Now here's here's where it kind of gets a little more interesting
• 1:24:53
  is that
• 1:24:55
  to go back what Tom was saying in some regards is in 1966,
• 1:25:01
  Australia,
• 1:25:03
  the land down under, the Australia
• 1:25:05
  was
• 1:25:06
  signed up under the Unidroid Treaty
• 1:25:11
  of
• 1:25:12
  private law.
• 1:25:14
  And it also happens to coincide with
• 1:25:17
  the
• 1:25:20
  changes in
• 1:25:22
  law and
• 1:25:24
  birth certificates
• 1:25:26
  at that same time.
• 1:25:29
  And
• 1:25:29
  when you go back and follow the paper trail on it,
• 1:25:33
  that's when
• 1:25:35
  from 1966
• 1:25:36
  going forward is the period where
• 1:25:40
  when you follow the paperwork it ends up
• 1:25:43
  in
• 1:25:46
  Maryland at the United States Security and Exchange Commission
• 1:25:50
  as Australia being a registered
• 1:25:53
  corporation of The United States.
• 1:25:59
  Unknown: Got quite a They got quite a deal going, don't they? Yeah.
• 1:26:04
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they really do. I I mean,
• 1:26:09
  I mean,
• 1:26:10
  I mean, really, it's you kinda I mean, there's a lot came out in this this show today. It's amazing. And you just kind of have to stand back and take a deep breath and go okay.
• 1:26:23
  So it sort of goes comes full circle
• 1:26:27
  and to coming back and talking about
• 1:26:30
  you know what is a government and what
• 1:26:34
  kind did you think you had
• 1:26:36
  and now what kind
• 1:26:38
  are we realizing through factual evidence
• 1:26:43
  that can be substantiated and produced
• 1:26:47
  is to the form of the actual government. So it's not what it's said to be, it is what it is. And what we're finding what it is, isn't what it's said to be or what it's perceived to be.
• 1:26:57
  And
• 1:26:59
  people's reality is based upon their perceptions,
• 1:27:02
  I will say this again,
• 1:27:03
  you're gonna have to change your perceptions to move forward on this. Yep.
• 1:27:08
  Whoever you are.
• 1:27:10
  If your if your perception if your perception is not allowing you to move forward,
• 1:27:16
  you are gonna have to take the personal responsibility
• 1:27:19
  individually by yourself in your own in your own time, in your own way
• 1:27:23
  to recognize that you don't
• 1:27:25
  have it figured out,
• 1:27:28
  and you're gonna have to change your own perception, and that isn't somebody something that anybody else can do for you. You can't learn
• 1:27:34
  if you already know it all. Gonna say this to an
• 1:27:38
  Unknown: old aviator.
• 1:27:41
  The mind is like a parachute,
• 1:27:44
  it only works when it's open.
• 1:27:47
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:27:49
  And I never
• 1:27:50
  wore a parachute, so
• 1:27:54
  that would have been a that that probably would have been a bad that probably would have been a bad sign when the when the passengers get on board the
• 1:28:01
  the MD 80 and they see the they see the captain walk on board with a parachute and he he kinda looks back down that aisle and all them faces looking at him and he kinda winks. Winks.
• 1:28:11
  Waves. Yeah.
• 1:28:15
  Unknown: Hey. It's yeah. You know, I mean,
• 1:28:18
  Unknown: you know, you gotta but, you know, really, it's it's it's really kind of a a big deal. You know? It's our perceptions that have us tied up in knots
• 1:28:28
  most of the time.
• 1:28:32
  As new evidence comes forward and a lot of things that Brian has found and
• 1:28:37
  it's
• 1:28:38
  just almost inconceivable
• 1:28:40
  as complicated as this is that that any one man or even
• 1:28:45
  numbers of men could could sort it all out.
• 1:28:48
  And
• 1:28:51
  we just we just keep finding
• 1:28:53
  more and new and and deeper
• 1:28:57
  evidence,
• 1:28:59
  and
• 1:29:00
  it really does seem to be come together a lot with what Brian has discovered
• 1:29:04
  in his
• 1:29:06
  dogged and honey badger attitude of take no prisoners.
• 1:29:10
  Hoorah.
• 1:29:11
  And
• 1:29:14
  so
• 1:29:16
  it,
• 1:29:18
  you know, and then sometimes, you know, we we just have to find we we go down different areas. I mean, I I I'm always experimenting with things in my work and business and I don't know if sometimes it's always gonna work but I'll try
• 1:29:33
  and sometimes I go down those and sometimes it pays off.
• 1:29:38
  Unknown: And some of the best
• 1:29:40
  Unknown: I'm
• 1:29:41
  gonna say this.
• 1:29:43
  Unknown: Of the best things that you learn are from your mistakes.
• 1:29:47
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, that's that's all about learning to fly an airplane. You learn to fly an airplane by mistakes and that's during the learning process.
• 1:29:55
  And I used to look at my students and I would say, well, you're gonna make a lot of mistakes so let's get them out of the way.
• 1:30:01
  Don't be afraid to make a mistake. You cannot be afraid to make a mistake. If you're afraid to make a mistake, you know what you'll do?
• 1:30:08
  Nothing.
• 1:30:09
  You won't do nothing. And we got a bunch of people, we got a whole bunch of people
• 1:30:15
  in this
• 1:30:16
  this area of operation
• 1:30:18
  that are afraid,
• 1:30:19
  desperately afraid to make a mistake, and they do
• 1:30:22
  exactly that. Nothing.
• 1:30:26
  And so you have all kinds of different people
• 1:30:30
  present here, present and accounted for here that are
• 1:30:34
  actually
• 1:30:35
  making mistakes and doing the right things
• 1:30:38
  and and doggedly
• 1:30:40
  founding it and sharing it with with others.
• 1:30:43
  And and, you know, I'm gonna tell you right now, that's an act of love
• 1:30:48
  to do that. And I think other people should take advantage of that and,
• 1:30:54
  you know, other people's experience. You know, I used to study a lot of airplane crashes, and and I didn't study airplane crashes so I could learn how to crash airplanes.
• 1:31:02
  You
• 1:31:04
  know, I I
• 1:31:05
  I I don't have to go crash airplanes in order to learn not how to do it. And we have a lot of experience, and there's a lot of experience out there, and people need to avail themselves to it
• 1:31:16
  so that,
• 1:31:17
  you know they
• 1:31:18
  can learn through that experience and use wisdom and apply it. I just want to go back to Tommy
• 1:31:24
  brought up something which was kind of where I was going in the very beginning with this which was this.
• 1:31:29
  What kind of government do you think your perspective is, is the kind of government that you thought you had was
• 1:31:37
  an indentured trust, an indentured prevalent trust. Okay. And
• 1:31:43
  so what this has been turned into
• 1:31:46
  is
• 1:31:50
  Unknown: a corporation.
• 1:31:52
  And
• 1:31:54
  Unknown: so you have
• 1:31:56
  your choices. You have an indentured public trust or you can have a corporation.
• 1:32:01
  And it goes back to one of the very first questions that I was ever it ever hit me right side of the head about four years ago on this very show.
• 1:32:10
  And I kept listening to this Roger and I kept listening and I kept listening and it finally got through my head that there was a question there. And here was the question:
• 1:32:19
  Can a for profit private corporation be a legitimate public government?
• 1:32:24
  I have asked so many people that question. I came up with that question four years ago.
• 1:32:30
  That's a great one. I've actually had people tell me,
• 1:32:34
  yes, it can be. And I guess if you can, with full knowledge, with full knowledge and you consent to it, guess it can be.
• 1:32:42
  The question there is, is if you didn't, Yes. The key.
• 1:32:47
  Unknown: Hey. Can I add one thing here? That's why, Darryl, that's why hold on, Tom, for a second. That's why this thing is structured like they are, like it is, and they got those questions on anything that you have to do that you have to sign. Are you a citizen of The United States? Are you a resident?
• 1:33:05
  Because now when you do that, whether you know it or not,
• 1:33:09
  you're giving them your consent
• 1:33:11
  and now they've got the consent of the governed,
• 1:33:15
  which is one of the main principles
• 1:33:17
  of either one of those two types of government, Daryl.
• 1:33:20
  Unknown: Go ahead, Tom. Yeah. Yeah. They had they had the consent consent of the mind controlled.
• 1:33:25
  Unknown: Yep. Well, that
• 1:33:28
  it's just yeah. Well well, what Daryl's referring to of what government you thought you had,
• 1:33:34
  mine, okay, or what I believe is a foundation of our government that makes it unique to all other governments of the world is that there is nothing between a man and God. Correct. Okay? Where all other governments of the world, there.
• 1:33:52
  Unknown: There's only been two countries in the history of the planet
• 1:33:56
  that have had those attributes.
• 1:33:58
  And the two hundred years at the first of Rome and the two hundred years at the first of The United States Of America, give or take a few. Exactly. And and
• 1:34:08
  Unknown: and that's what makes us unique to the world.
• 1:34:11
  And then but the the enemy, the father of all lies,
• 1:34:16
  and the one that wants to make be your daddy and your god. Okay? He took
• 1:34:21
  one among those
• 1:34:23
  creator endowed rights is the right to contract.
• 1:34:27
  Okay? Can you and sometimes you can contract your rights away, like when you go to work for a McDonald's. They say you gotta wear a McDonald's hat when you're there and we're paying you. Okay? Well,
• 1:34:38
  now they create this presumption
• 1:34:41
  of law, which is that presumption of consent.
• 1:34:44
  They have to you they not don't necessarily
• 1:34:47
  have to have your consent.
• 1:34:50
  They have to create the presumption
• 1:34:52
  of your consent and then have you not rebutted.
• 1:34:56
  That's
• 1:34:57
  exactly what they're doing. And then that equals your consent.
• 1:35:04
  Anyway, the thing is
• 1:35:07
  if you are really a true American,
• 1:35:11
  you will not consent and you'll realize and
• 1:35:14
  also just a child of God that says 'let no man deceive you by any means' because
• 1:35:19
  I don't think ignorance is excused in
• 1:35:22
  either system of law,
• 1:35:24
  God's law or man's law.
• 1:35:28
  Look at all the people in
• 1:35:31
  Nazi Germany are facing just what we're facing right now and they raped and pillaged everybody after they got their using them up.
• 1:35:40
  Unknown: Well, I'm not I'm
• 1:35:44
  not sure. I totally agree with that, but that's not a subject for today.
• 1:35:48
  But Robert, our good listener, has joined us, he usually has a great comment or a question or some kind of insight.
• 1:35:55
  And Roberto in Reno, how you doing, man?
• 1:36:00
  Unknown: I'm doing. Thanks for taking my call. Appreciate it. And a very good show. Definitely invigorating.
• 1:36:06
  Makes you
• 1:36:07
  think.
• 1:36:09
  So I wanna step back to the conversation on the show about the ship. Robert, you know the old slogan that I coined years ago?
• 1:36:17
  Unknown: You can lead a horse you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.
• 1:36:27
  Unknown: Roger that, Roger.
• 1:36:30
  But at any rate
• 1:36:32
  so that that statement you read earlier, Roger, from that travel.whatever
• 1:36:37
  Yeah. All US citizens are US nationals.
• 1:36:41
  I wanna make sure I've got that straight, my thick skull. Is that their tacit admission that we are
• 1:36:48
  citizens
• 1:36:50
  oh how do I wanna put it? That we are
• 1:36:52
  Unknown: national citizens and that's never changed, it's just been covered up, if you will? What they're doing is making a tacit statement that that we're in the biggest action of fraud
• 1:37:03
  that's ever been perpetrated
• 1:37:05
  on the planet in its history.
• 1:37:09
  And they're coming right out and telling you. But understand,
• 1:37:13
  Robert, that the reason they put it in there
• 1:37:16
  was to differentiate
• 1:37:18
  it where they'd hidden the old rights anyway.
• 1:37:23
  They put that in that statement so they can say, well here's one, all
• 1:37:28
  US citizens are nationals,
• 1:37:30
  but what they go on to say, and not this succinctly,
• 1:37:34
  is not all US nationals are citizens.
• 1:37:40
  The distinction being the people in Samoa? Yeah, because if they go get a passport down there in American Samoa,
• 1:37:46
  there's a stamp in it that says this person's not a citizen in The United States
• 1:37:51
  And that's what they're differentiating
• 1:37:53
  in that document,
• 1:37:55
  but they had to lay out the opposite
• 1:37:58
  fact and that statement is the clearest statement from any
• 1:38:04
  organization
• 1:38:05
  with the authority
• 1:38:07
  that I've ever seen in all the years I've been doing this from the federal government.
• 1:38:12
  Put it in the passport. See, they put it in the passport application, but they don't put it that bluntly.
• 1:38:18
  They hide it. They say, what were your parents? Were your parents citizens of The United States? Well all that's doing is setting up the presumption because the system's there. They're asking you, were your parents in voluntary servitude?
• 1:38:30
  You, and they don't ask you if you are,
• 1:38:33
  the presumption's
• 1:38:35
  there and they tell you you don't have to be in coded language.
• 1:38:41
  They don't put it in the pass what do you think would happen if they put in the passport application at the top? All US citizens are US nationals.
• 1:38:51
  Unknown: Roger.
• 1:38:52
  Unknown: Yes, Chris.
• 1:38:53
  Unknown: Good
• 1:38:54
  question. Here's that citation
• 1:38:56
  I was offering earlier that's right on point report. Shane?
• 1:39:02
  Unknown: Chris, let's make sure Shane's back in from smoking a cigarette and has got a paper and pencil. Oh, yeah. He's the one that wanted this. Go ahead.
• 1:39:11
  Unknown: Yes. Thank you. Okay.
• 1:39:14
  Unknown: Here from the Legal Information Institute is title eight
• 1:39:18
  of The United States code
• 1:39:20
  section
• 1:39:22
  one
• 1:39:23
  four
• 1:39:24
  five
• 1:39:24
  two
• 1:39:25
  fourteen fifty two
• 1:39:28
  certificate of citizenship
• 1:39:30
  or US non citizen national status
• 1:39:34
  procedure.
• 1:39:37
  Now this is from the legal information
• 1:39:40
  institute.
• 1:39:41
  It says in segment b down here,
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  fourteen fifty two b,
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  application
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  to the secretary
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  of state for certificate of noncitizen
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  national status,
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  proof
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  oath of allegiance.
• 1:39:57
  A person who claims to be a national
• 1:40:00
  but not a citizen of The United States
• 1:40:03
  may apply
• 1:40:04
  to the secretary of state for a certificate of noncitizen
• 1:40:09
  national status upon,
• 1:40:11
  and it has a couple of subsections to go down.
• 1:40:15
  And on the travelstate.gov
• 1:40:17
  that Roger was speaking of,
• 1:40:19
  on that home page, you find US citizenship
• 1:40:23
  laws and policies.
• 1:40:26
  Click on that one, and then the drop down is certificates
• 1:40:29
  of noncitizen
• 1:40:31
  nationalities.
• 1:40:32
  Now And it says that
• 1:40:35
  Unknown: go ahead. I was gonna say at the bottom of the document we're discussing,
• 1:40:40
  it tells you that if you want one of these, go apply for a passport and it's in the passport where they've got it hidden.
• 1:40:50
  Unknown: Yeah. That's
• 1:40:52
  exactly right.
• 1:40:54
  Unknown: Well, they issue that supposedly instead of a cert, but that's very tantamount to the one that we talked to you about in Samoa where it says that they're not a US citizen. Right. It would apply to both, see? But they don't tell you, they lead you to believe that that's what this American Samoan should do, and they don't tell you that's what the statement is, it's a gigantic statement of fraud because they're telling you right there, Robert, just what I reached from a totally different angle of logic,
• 1:41:22
  all right, was that everybody qualifies for this and that's why people that are black, Robert,
• 1:41:29
  get through and that's why we've had naturalized people get through. We're about to have another one with Michael out there in California, your buddy Shane,
• 1:41:38
  and I guarantee you he'll get it, okay, even though he's born in England,
• 1:41:42
  he was naturalized.
• 1:41:44
  What does the fourteenth amendment say? All persons
• 1:41:47
  born Now, are
• 1:41:51
  and I was thinking about this last night, remember me saying that we've noticed that they always put the hooks at the front,
• 1:41:58
  whatever the in
• 1:42:00
  the front of the regulations, on the first page is the jurisdictional
• 1:42:03
  statement, right there, you know, all this stuff is put at the front and then they follow it with all this garbage that everybody's going to read through, And right there in the fourteenth amendment, all persons born or naturalized, in the first four words
• 1:42:17
  is where they bring in the feudal system.
• 1:42:21
  Unknown: Yep.
• 1:42:26
  Unknown: Then once they've got the nose of birth under the under the tent, the camel's nose under the tent, the whole damn camel's in there now. Yeah, Bob.
• 1:42:36
  Unknown: You know, that finally makes sense to me. All this time I've been looking at that
• 1:42:41
  question
• 1:42:42
  on the application
• 1:42:44
  about your parents' nationality or citizenship
• 1:42:48
  as being
• 1:42:52
  a bad thing in terms of if you don't specify that they're nationals, you know, it somehow
• 1:42:57
  is a problem. But, yeah, now I get it. All they're doing is is making sure that the presumption
• 1:43:03
  is even deeper. Correct. Because, hey, your parents wouldn't. Correct. And I'd never put that together concretely
• 1:43:09
  Unknown: in a single thought. And now it's about to make sense. It doesn't matter whether they were or whether they weren't. Yeah. And see, your parents can volunteer out or the veneer. Your parents can volunteer out at their own volition, at their own decision. But you're the one that's applying for the passport,
• 1:43:27
  and that's where they're gonna get your take on it. So they hide the fact that you can volunteer out, and they did a damn good job of hiding it, I gotta say.
• 1:43:38
  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like said, that's one of those little conundrums that always puzzled me. It's like, why why is that question even in there? But now I get it. It sets it up. Yep. Sets everything up.
• 1:43:50
  Reinforces the presumption.
• 1:43:52
  Presumption's already there, they're just trying to and it worked. I mean, good grief, I understand this, I thought,
• 1:43:58
  Unknown: and it finally just made sense. Well, that's why I say, Bob, to everybody that this is a process.
• 1:44:03
  I mean,
• 1:44:04
  I've been in it real deep for many years and I never put that together about the long arm statute and corporate personhood
• 1:44:11
  making corporations fall under the jurisdiction of the fourteenth amendment because they were planning on controlling the world through corporations.
• 1:44:22
  Unknown: And look what they
• 1:44:24
  Unknown: Yep. And you see the Well, that's the only way that corporations
• 1:44:29
  Go ahead, Daryl. That that's that's the only way that a corporation can be a person. Correct. Correct.
• 1:44:35
  Unknown: That's correct. And so now on the end game of this, what, for all of this bad, Trump did go in and dismantle all those trade treaties, and the trade treaties were the last nail in the coffin because that's where the corporations
• 1:44:51
  in their scheme,
• 1:44:53
  the corporations are the new manners,
• 1:44:56
  they're the feuds,
• 1:44:57
  okay, and they control the world through these trade interlocking agreements
• 1:45:02
  and when that would have gotten put into place,
• 1:45:05
  it would have usurped all the country's sovereignties
• 1:45:08
  and their sovereignty would be beholding
• 1:45:11
  to a board of directors that's appointed
• 1:45:14
  with no avenue of appeal.
• 1:45:17
  Unknown: That's the lock and key. So this this would be a
• 1:45:21
  yeah.
• 1:45:22
  Unknown: This is this is where I'd like to add the Tennessee Ernie Ford song of I owe my soul to the company store. You got it.
• 1:45:31
  Unknown: And
• 1:45:32
  and Tom, you still with us, Tom? Tom,
• 1:45:36
  you still with us?
• 1:45:39
  He's fumbling with his mute button problem. I
• 1:45:43
  just had to get my mute button. Well, and Tom knows very well because we both live very close to this place,
• 1:45:49
  that just south of where Joshua
• 1:45:51
  was born when we were all living up there is in a little town in Georgia called Tate, Georgia,
• 1:45:58
  T A T E,
• 1:46:00
  and that was a company store of Mr. Tate
• 1:46:04
  and he owned the
• 1:46:07
  granite quarries up there where they quarry
• 1:46:10
  all that marble.
• 1:46:12
  And if you don't know it, the only anytime you see pink marble,
• 1:46:17
  the only place in the world it comes from is from Tate, Georgia.
• 1:46:23
  Unknown: Yep. Tate like the man who might not bewitched.
• 1:46:26
  Do do you Well, like, actually, that whole area right there is
• 1:46:30
  Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's like the marble capital of Georgia, you know, that they grind it all up for carpet mills and they make gravestones and everything out of that. Yep. Yep. There's a huge huge because they have white marble too. Yes. White and pink.
• 1:46:44
  Unknown: Tom, I have to Tom, I have to give up the phone call. I haven't heard your voice for six months, man. I'm glad to hear you're still alive. We must have time. Well, good to hear you too, Bob.
• 1:46:55
  Unknown: Glad to hear you guys too.
• 1:46:57
  Been up and down and through it in lots of different ways. Business and personal,
• 1:47:01
  but doing good. Doing real good.
• 1:47:04
  Unknown: Good to hear.
• 1:47:05
  Unknown: Yeah. Tom, nice to hear. It's all a very interesting world. It is, and and we ought to be thanking our lucky stars that we got a little bit understanding on how it operates and maybe can make some correct decisions.
• 1:47:18
  Of course, Brent will be with us tomorrow,
• 1:47:21
  I hope, if we don't have any internet problems,
• 1:47:26
  I'm anxious to hear what he's got to say. I hated missing last Friday because it was such an important day
• 1:47:32
  in one year when Easter,
• 1:47:35
  Good Friday, and Patriots Day fall on the same day.
• 1:47:40
  Okay, and that was kind of That's
• 1:47:43
  Unknown: a good point. Yeah, kind
• 1:47:45
  Unknown: of upset me that we didn't get to have a show that day because it was really fertile ground for really important topics of discussion,
• 1:47:53
  both of them. Was it was it it wasn't April 19 too, wasn't it? Yes. That's what I'm saying. It was April 19. Yeah.
• 1:48:01
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:48:02
  That's
• 1:48:04
  all the stars come together.
• 1:48:07
  Unknown: April 15, I was reading an article just over the last couple of days that April 15 has got a big significance.
• 1:48:14
  A whole bunch of stuff has happened on April 15 too. The Titanic
• 1:48:18
  sinking and all kinds of stuff, it's pretty interesting.
• 1:48:21
  That date's got some significance to them.
• 1:48:26
  I believe they said in this video I was watching.
• 1:48:29
  April 15 has got some significance to them and I think I read something years and years ago, but I've forgotten it. If anybody stumbles on that,
• 1:48:38
  that'd be a real interesting piece of information for us to discuss.
• 1:48:47
  Unknown: Now I may the have research at that said that.
• 1:48:50
  Unknown: I don't listen to any other shows or anything. I know a lot of you guys do,
• 1:48:55
  but
• 1:48:57
  it's amazing and apparent to me that the subject to taxation
• 1:49:02
  virtually didn't come up this year.
• 1:49:06
  You know, used to it was a
• 1:49:09
  lot of discussion on that time of the year on that topic, and it just doesn't seem to be being discussed hardly anymore,
• 1:49:16
  whether other things have eclipsed the taxation issue,
• 1:49:20
  or nobody's making enough money and they're all getting money back, or whatever is going on, but there's definitely a lack of discussion on that, what used to be a very important topic at that time of year.
• 1:49:33
  Maybe it's just because all of our guys aren't paying taxes anymore
• 1:49:37
  that we don't discuss it. I
• 1:49:41
  Unknown: think I think that one's really that one's really the most voluntary one of all. It is. It really is. It is. Once you once you overcome the fear of it, it's the most voluntary one of all day. I haven't got one breath out of those guys in twenty five years. Tom, when was when did you stop you used to have to go by and pay them a $100 a month. When did you stop doing that?
• 1:50:01
  Yeah. I I stopped that after several months of it. I mean, you know, when I declared all my independence from them, I just did I just quit, you know, Like
• 1:50:11
  but and and like I said, I've never gotten one letter or phone call or anything from them guys in twenty five years. Let me let And then I didn't know. I've everybody
• 1:50:21
  else. But like you say, Roger, you leave with a clean slate and just quit volunteering.
• 1:50:26
  You know, that
• 1:50:28
  that's the easiest one of all to
• 1:50:31
  to, you know, keep the most voluntary one of all. The the ideal candidate.
• 1:50:38
  Unknown: Let me pose this, this is good for discussion because this is something I toyed with in my mind, I got Tom on here and people that understand this process.
• 1:50:46
  Let's say that you do have baggage
• 1:50:48
  and that you do come to the table with some whatever figure that yow these
• 1:50:53
  thieves, okay?
• 1:50:55
  So Tom, you know the process fairly intimately.
• 1:50:58
  When you go in to negotiate with them, don't they make you sign something that says you'll file for five years?
• 1:51:07
  Unknown: Well, what they ended up doing with me
• 1:51:09
  was that they
• 1:51:11
  sent a notice of levy on wages, salary, and under income even though I was an independent contractor,
• 1:51:18
  and my boss
• 1:51:20
  was just giving them my checks. Sure. So I either had I either had to sign the papers or no more checks. Okay. So I signed the papers and started getting checks again. And then I said, that was fraud. I don't have nothing to do with that. I ain't doing that no more. I quit paying them and then, you know well well, basically,
• 1:51:40
  I remember during my divorce,
• 1:51:42
  I filed a title 42 suit against the secretary of treasury,
• 1:51:47
  Robert E. Rubin,
• 1:51:49
  and the district director
• 1:51:50
  Tom. And and
• 1:51:52
  you know, all of yeah. We're running out of time. So they program. We don't have time for all the By any rate, that's a Yeah. And so what the end result was
• 1:52:01
  Unknown: that they quit bothering me. Okay. So you sign an agreement with them when you go not you, but I've I've Right. You've been through the process. Okay? You go in and you negotiate
• 1:52:12
  with them. I owe you all this money. I can't pay. And they work out some sort of a payment schedule and they have you sign something
• 1:52:20
  that you promised
• 1:52:21
  to Right. File This installment agreement, that's what they call it. And you file, you promise, the element I'm looking for is that you promise to file for the next five years.
• 1:52:32
  Unknown: Right.
• 1:52:33
  Right? And give me a first date with whatever it was, but it was under the risk. Okay. Well, let me just post Well,
• 1:52:40
  Unknown: hold on. For that. I think we do and the thing is you go ahead and if somebody's in that condition, go ahead and sign with them and sign the agreement that you'll file 10 forty's for five years and then you file your affidavit with the Secretary of State,
• 1:52:56
  and you don't and just file basically zero returns because you won't owe anything.
• 1:53:01
  I wonder if that would work. Yeah. Correct.
• 1:53:06
  Unknown: Or or here's or you change your status, Roger. You change your status, Roger, so that agreement no longer is valid.
• 1:53:13
  Unknown: Well, you might could go under two premises there. What were you gonna say real quick, Daryl? Because we're gonna hear the whistler today.
• 1:53:20
  Unknown: Well,
• 1:53:20
  I I can do this real quick because I have I have personal experience at it. So
• 1:53:26
  they they said I I owed him $13,000
• 1:53:29
  and
• 1:53:30
  and there wasn't any way out of it. So
• 1:53:33
  what I did is
• 1:53:36
  I paid them.
• 1:53:38
  Okay? And and they they wanted to set up terms where I paid them.
• 1:53:43
  Okay? On on an installment plan, I said no way I'm doing this. I ain't I ain't getting in bed with these guys. So I I literally borrowed the money.
• 1:53:52
  I paid them off,
• 1:53:54
  closed the account,
• 1:53:56
  and then I quit filing.
• 1:54:00
  Unknown: You go. Mhmm.
• 1:54:02
  Unknown: Of course, then of course, then I I had to pay off the 13,000 that I bothered,
• 1:54:08
  but it it wasn't I wasn't
• 1:54:10
  compelled
• 1:54:11
  and obligated to go forward with them on a yearly basis. See? So I I took an end run around them the other way.
• 1:54:18
  So
• 1:54:19
  they still got their
• 1:54:22
  pound of flesh but
• 1:54:25
  yeah,
• 1:54:26
  I going forward on subsequent years,
• 1:54:31
  well, I have this is year number five for me. So I mean,
• 1:54:36
  that that's another way. That's another strategy. It's a tactic, you know. If you wanna clean up your plate, can do it that way too. That was my personal experience and Tom will remember this.
• 1:54:47
  Unknown: When they took that $35,000
• 1:54:49
  from my house closing, I've never heard from them again.
• 1:54:54
  That's a pretty big bite, okay, and it hurt real bad because I'd been in that house twenty years,
• 1:55:00
  and that was a chunk of the equity out of it,
• 1:55:03
  but for
• 1:55:04
  the education that they inspired me to get,
• 1:55:08
  35,000
• 1:55:09
  is pretty cheap, man. You got people paying $60,000
• 1:55:13
  a damn semester
• 1:55:14
  to go get their mind filled with Marxist pabulum.
• 1:55:19
  Well,
• 1:55:21
  Unknown: when you when you sign your statute staple, recognizance ten forty, you have to pay the piper.
• 1:55:27
  I mean, you you contracted with them, you volunteered, so you have to pay it. That's right. Okay? So so quit so change your perspective
• 1:55:35
  and quit contracting.
• 1:55:36
  Unknown: The now the bat After you pay the piper. The the dialectic
• 1:55:40
  of that is when you didn't sign a ten forty and they rigged the process and did a push nine code and stuck a substitute for return in on you that you didn't sign. Anyway, that's the whistler, we're out of here for today.
• 1:55:53
  Good show today, guys. Tom, real good to hear from you. Glad everybody chimed in. Nice to have the camaraderie
• 1:55:59
  and the honesty and straightforwardness
• 1:56:02
  we've got here. I think it's a unique platform
• 1:56:06
  and I'm tickled to death. Don't spend it don't spend it all in one place, Robert.
• 1:56:11
  We'll be back tomorrow with Brent. You guys have a nice day, and I'll see you then. Have a great day, kids.
• 1:56:18
  Great participation today. Thanks for money. We'll
• 1:56:21
  do the money show another day. Okay?
• 1:57:29
  Unknown: Blasting the Voice of Freedom Worldwide, you're listening to the Global Voice Radio Network.
• 1:57:35
  Unknown: Bye bye, boys. Have fun storming the castle.