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Speaker 1: Peedo Kremlin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: Here's what's coming up on the show tonight, The ABAC
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Speaker 2: and the Fire after it aired doctored audio as part
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Speaker 2: of its Afghanistan war crime story. Now this is huge.
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Speaker 2: Must now be independently investigated because going after an Australian
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Speaker 2: soldier with fake claims can't be accepted by anyone, least
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Speaker 2: of all our national broadcaster. Day one two of the
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Speaker 2: highly anticipated Moira Deeming John Perzuto defamation case, with a
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Speaker 2: federal court hearing the Persuto tar Deeming with the quote
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Speaker 2: Nazi brush. There's a lot at stake in this case,
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Speaker 2: not just for Deeming and Perzuto, but also the future
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Speaker 2: of Victorian liberals. I'll have something to say on this
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Speaker 2: this in a moment. Plus an emerging story from the
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Speaker 2: New South Wales election on the weekend. This is the
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Speaker 2: local council elections, but there's ramifications here for federal labor.
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Speaker 2: This is all about the trust of ethnically diverse electorates.
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Speaker 2: At the same time too, today a new poll that
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Speaker 2: says the coalitions within striking distance of minority government Polster
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Speaker 2: caused Samarus on the show to analyze it all, and
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Speaker 2: a second assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump. Thankfully
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Speaker 2: this time no one harmed, but it poses serious security questions,
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Speaker 2: not to mention what it says about the state of
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Speaker 2: America's democracy.
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Speaker 3: The Secret Service agent that was on the course did
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Speaker 3: a fantastic job. What they do is they'd have an
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Speaker 3: agent that jumps one hole ahead of time to where
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Speaker 3: the president was at and he was able to spike
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Speaker 3: this rifle beryl sticking out of the fence and immediately
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Speaker 3: engage that individual, at which time the individual took off.
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Speaker 2: This is a huge story of the States. We'll get
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Speaker 2: into that, of course, with James Morrow coming up at first.
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Speaker 2: Another big news story here today in Australia at least,
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Speaker 2: and that's the official start of the defamation trial involving
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Speaker 2: ousted Victorian Liberal MP more redeeming and being battled opposition
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Speaker 2: leader Liberal Leader John Perzzuto will cross shortly to our
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Speaker 2: reporter for the latest on day one of the court
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Speaker 2: federal court case. But let me make a few key
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Speaker 2: points first on a case I followed closely from that
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Speaker 2: very first weekend, the now infamous Let Women speak rally
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Speaker 2: in March last year. First of this case should never
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Speaker 2: have got to court. It should have been settled months ago,
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Speaker 2: as John Pizzuto was forced to settle similar defamation actions
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Speaker 2: launched against him by other women who attended the rally,
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Speaker 2: including the international women's rights activist Kelly J.
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Speaker 4: Keen.
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Speaker 2: But Pazuto refused to listen to advice from people like
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott, John Howard, Liberal Party presidents and dozens and
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Speaker 2: dozens more who urged him to act as a leader
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Speaker 2: should and defuse this situation.
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Speaker 5: The extent that the Liberal Party has a women's problem,
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Speaker 5: it must have got much much worse by the expulsion
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Speaker 5: of this brave and smart woman from its own ranks.
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Speaker 5: She hasn't done anything to deserve even suspension from the
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Speaker 5: party room, let alone expulsion. And if it's impossible for
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Speaker 5: a Liberal to defend women's rights to their own safe
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Speaker 5: spaces and to fair sport, well, at least in Victoria,
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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party is really.
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Speaker 2: In a lot more trouble than I thought. The spital
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Speaker 2: of that Liberal leader pushed on with reports today that
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Speaker 2: it's all cost him around one point five million dollars
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Speaker 2: to get this far, and deeming too now, what another
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Speaker 2: waste of money. What a complete distraction too, for every
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Speaker 2: Victorian who's struggling under labor to have their only alternative
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Speaker 2: being a Liberal Party leader who's completely focused on his
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Speaker 2: own problems, not theirs. As part of his legal case,
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Speaker 2: Perzuto demanded access to any communications between Demi and many others,
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Speaker 2: including those in the media. Journalists like Rachel Baxendal from
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Speaker 2: The Australian, others from The Herald's son the Age and
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Speaker 2: me included no surprises here. The left media then tried
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Speaker 2: to make a big deal out of the fact that
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Speaker 2: I've helped Moira over the past eighteen months of this ordeal.
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Speaker 2: Goodness me, if only they bothered to watch Sky News
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Speaker 2: or read my columns in the newspaper, they would have known,
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Speaker 2: as you know, that I have long been in her corner. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: did her first TV interview with me, and so too
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Speaker 2: did John Perzzuto just days after that rally, when he
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Speaker 2: tried to claim he had a dossier that justified Deming's expulsion.
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Speaker 6: There's a list of them that I've got in there,
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Speaker 6: and I can't recall them off the top of my
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Speaker 6: head here, but we've annotated them in the material life
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Speaker 6: put there. So I'm confident that those materials, which available
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Speaker 6: for people to look at themselves, can be supported by
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Speaker 6: the references I've included in the notice. So I haven't
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Speaker 6: just gone to the party room and said, hey, here's
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Speaker 6: some stuff I downloaded. There's proper referencing, and.
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Speaker 2: It all fell apart room. When he tried to use
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Speaker 2: that dossier against Deeming in the Liberal party room, it
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Speaker 2: never actually went to a vote because his numbers in
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Speaker 2: the room collapsed. Let's not forget how that room went
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Speaker 2: silent when Deeming told her colleagues that the whole reason
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Speaker 2: she was such a warrior on the issue of single
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Speaker 2: spaces for women and girls was because she had been
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Speaker 2: raped as a child, But as someone part raised by
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Speaker 2: a Holocaust survivor, she found the Nazi slur reprehensible and
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Speaker 2: who wouldn't. So no vote to throw her out was
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Speaker 2: ever held during that first meeting, because after Deeming had spoken,
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Speaker 2: there was no mood at all amongst her colleagues to
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Speaker 2: expel her. What happened afterwards says everything you need to
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Speaker 2: know about John Perzzuto and explains why they are facing
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Speaker 2: it off in court today. Despite agreeing to apologize to
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Speaker 2: give Deemi an apology for which she would copy suspension.
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Speaker 2: The apology from the leader never came. So here we
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Speaker 2: are in the Federal court. Now. I've been around the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party my entire adult life. I've been involved with
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Speaker 2: its Victorian division for about as long as John Perzuto,
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Speaker 2: if not longer, And so many Liberal supporters and rank
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Speaker 2: and file party members stop me in the street or
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Speaker 2: make contact with me, and so they still can't believe
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Speaker 2: that being a woman standing up for the rights of
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Speaker 2: women and girls to single sex spaces like change rooms
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Speaker 2: or sporting competitions can now get you expelled from the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party. And worse still, as Deeming claims of Perzuto
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Speaker 2: gets you branded a Nazi, is it any wonder as
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott said that the Liberal Party has a problem
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Speaker 2: with women now, I would say this though, to John
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Speaker 2: Perzuto if he wanted to know what I thought about
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Speaker 2: his treatment of Deeming. He didn't need to spend thousands
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Speaker 2: of dollars with a lawyer to get my messages released
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom. He could have just picked up the
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Speaker 2: phone and called me, as he did when he first
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Speaker 2: became leader and his chief of staff asking for my
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Speaker 2: help in setting up his office. But on my communications
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Speaker 2: with Dbing, they make clear that from the outset I
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Speaker 2: urged her to try and result of her issues with
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Speaker 2: Perzuto without a lawsuit. I said that she should absolutely
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Speaker 2: stand her ground. Sure, I said, send them a tough
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Speaker 2: legal letter if necessary for throwing you out. But as
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Speaker 2: I said to a here in this message, suing the
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Speaker 2: party is what they will try and expel you over,
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Speaker 2: and that's why you have to avoid formally launching anything.
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Speaker 2: What's more, as I can reveal to you tonight, is
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Speaker 2: that I had a meeting in my private home with
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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal Party state President Phil Davis and Deeming in
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Speaker 2: November last year, trying as hard as I could to
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Speaker 2: get the party machine to help Perzuto see sense. All
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Speaker 2: the way along, for months and months and months, Perzuto
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Speaker 2: appeared willing to apologize and be ready to settle this
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Speaker 2: case like he'd settled the others with the other women.
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Speaker 2: But then, for some reason and no one knows, his
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Speaker 2: apology to Deeming never came. That's what she wanted, an
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Speaker 2: apology first and foremost, her legal costs covered, and for
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Speaker 2: Perzuto to be willing to do what was necessary to
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Speaker 2: help get her readmitted to the Liberal Party Roum like
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Speaker 2: others have done. I tried with the state party president.
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Speaker 2: I tried with perzuto senior colleagues, even with party donors
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Speaker 2: who approached me wanting help to get Perzuto to seek sins.
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Speaker 2: A big part of the problem all the way along,
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Speaker 2: says his colleagues, is that Perzuno was always worried about
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Speaker 2: admitting he got it wrong, worried about looking weak. But
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Speaker 2: that's his first big mistake. Being able to admit when
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Speaker 2: you've got it wrong. Well, that's a strength, not a weakness,
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Speaker 2: because magnanimity in leaders is a difference between those who
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Speaker 2: have got it and those who are just impostors with
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Speaker 2: the big title. In my time in politics watching Howard Abbot,
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Speaker 2: Peter Beatty, You've made it an art form. Leadership is
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Speaker 2: about pragmatism when necessary, being able to admit when you've
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Speaker 2: got it wrong, and most of all, the willingness to
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Speaker 2: put the party before yourself. That's the test that Perzuto
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Speaker 2: has failed. Now what I stand up for more redeeming again?
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Speaker 2: You bet you I would. I've had hundreds and hundreds
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Speaker 2: and hundreds of Liberals raise her treatment with me. So
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Speaker 2: I know exactly where party supporters stand on this issue,
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Speaker 2: and the polls in Victoria show it too. Here is
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Speaker 2: the federal leader, Peter Dutton on this very point.
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Speaker 7: I think the Victorian Liberal Party should be ten points
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Speaker 7: ahead of what is a shocking government here in Victoria
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Speaker 7: at the moment, and the fact that they're not indicates
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Speaker 7: that there are problems, and I think there are a
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Speaker 7: number of reasons for it. I think there are structural issues.
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Speaker 7: I think, as we've proven at a federal level, there's
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Speaker 7: no sense being just a lighter version of labor. I
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Speaker 7: think you need to take policy differences. I think you
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Speaker 7: need to show that you would take the state in
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Speaker 7: a different but better direction.
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Speaker 2: If he loses this case, Bazuto cannot stay on as leader.
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Speaker 2: If he wins it, he'll be seeing to have accused
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Speaker 2: a woman standing up for women of being an Nazi
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Speaker 2: or LinkedIn Nazis. That's her allegation. So what does that
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Speaker 2: say to the millions of women who agree with Deeming's
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Speaker 2: argument that biological men have no right to use our
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Speaker 2: change rooms, our toilets, or play against us in sport.
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Speaker 2: It's a lose lose, isn't it. But the biggest losers
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Speaker 2: in all of this whole sorry saga are poorer Victorians,
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Speaker 2: dear sperate for the Liberal Party to get its collective
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Speaker 2: act together and be a viable alternative to wait very
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Speaker 2: bad government. Tee what tonight? It is a packed show.
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Speaker 2: My goodness, I've been visited at Let's go to Caravin.
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Speaker 2: Now for the headlines, Skyney is political report at Trudy McIntosh.
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Speaker 8: It's a Senate only sitting week here in Parliament and
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Speaker 8: the Prime Minister wants action on his two stalled housing proposals.
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Speaker 9: Stop coming up with excuses and start voting for solutions.
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Speaker 8: The Coalition and Greens are refusing to back labors, build
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Speaker 8: to rent and help to buy schemes.
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Speaker 10: Get on with it.
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Speaker 11: I'm sorry, mister Prime Minister, but that's not actually how
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Speaker 11: democracy works.
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Speaker 8: And the ABC has removed footage from its controversial Afghanistan
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Speaker 8: war crime story after allegations it aired doctored audio. The
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Speaker 8: helmet camera vision shows a twenty twelve operation involving Australian
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Speaker 8: commando Heston Russell.
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Speaker 9: But this Australian soldier is firing towards what appeared to
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Speaker 9: be unarmed civilians in residential compounds.
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Speaker 8: But on Sunday seven Spotlight program revealed that clip in
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Speaker 8: the twenty twenty two ABC report included doctored audio.
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Speaker 10: The single warning shot becomes six.
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Speaker 2: They literally added extra gunshots.
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Speaker 11: In a statement, the ABC said we've removed the online
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Speaker 11: video where an error has been identified based on preliminary
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Speaker 11: inspection of the audio. The ABC is seeking more information
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Speaker 11: on how this occurred. A spokesperson for the ABC maintained
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Speaker 11: the journalist and producers had no role in the production
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Speaker 11: and editing of the online video. You have brought to
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Speaker 11: our attention any suggestion they have acted inappropriately or unethically
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Speaker 11: is completely false. Last year, Heston Russell won his defamation
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Speaker 11: battle against the ABC. He was awarded three hundred and
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Speaker 11: ninety thousand dollars in damages plus legal costs. Mister Russell
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Speaker 11: reveals he shared the raw helmet camera footage with the
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Speaker 11: broadcaster in April last year, prior to the trial. The
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Speaker 11: former commando now wants to meet with the new ABC
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Speaker 11: chair Kim Williams. It is a shocking scandal and they
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Speaker 11: can't weasel their way out of it now.
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Speaker 8: Trudy McIntosh Sky News canber.
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Speaker 2: I want to make in tonight in the United States
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Speaker 2: where there's been a second attempt on the life of
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Speaker 2: presidential candidate former president of course, Donald Trump. The suspect,
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Speaker 2: identified now as fifty eight year old Ryan Wesley Rolf,
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Speaker 2: was spotted by a Secret Service agent with an assault
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Speaker 2: rifle in the bushes outside the Trump International Golf Course
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Speaker 2: in Florida.
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Speaker 3: The Secret Service agent that was on the course did
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Speaker 3: a fantastic job. What they do is they'd have an
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Speaker 3: agent that jumps one hole ahead of time to where
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Speaker 3: the president was at and he was able to spot
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Speaker 3: this rifle barrel sticking out of the fence and immediately
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Speaker 3: engage that individual, at which time the individual took off.
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Speaker 3: Now in the bushes where this guy was is the
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Speaker 3: eight K forty seven style rifle would a scope, two
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Speaker 3: backpacks which were hung on the fifth that had a
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Speaker 3: ceramic tile in them, had a go pronm.
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Speaker 2: Routh was later pulled over by police in another county.
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Speaker 2: He remains denied in custody, the FBI taking over the investigation.
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Speaker 2: It is, as I said, the second assassination attempt in
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Speaker 2: a matter of months on Donald Trump, although in this
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Speaker 2: case the suspect didn't fire any rounds. But it doesn't
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Speaker 2: make it any less serious more, Let's bring in the
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Speaker 2: host of us report here on Sky News national affairs
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Speaker 2: editor of course at the Daily Telegraph, James Morrow, and
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Speaker 2: our political reporter from Canberra, cam Redden. Well, welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. James. The first thing I thought of today,
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Speaker 2: other than it being a terrible day for democracy in
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Speaker 2: the States, was the chaos that would have ensued if
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Speaker 2: this second attempt had been successful.
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Speaker 1: What's your reflections, oh, Peter, I mean, of course, that's
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Speaker 1: the first thing I think so many of us thought of.
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Speaker 1: You know, remember in Butler, PA, that bullet that would
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Speaker 1: be assassin's bullet missed him by this much, simply because
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump chose to turn his head at exactly the
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Speaker 1: right moment. You know, that could have had a much
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Speaker 1: different outcome. And then again in Florida here at the
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Speaker 1: golf course. Well again, an agent saw this guy in
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Speaker 1: the bushes engaged before anything tragic happened. But I've got
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Speaker 1: so many questions about this, Yes, absolutely right, there would
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Speaker 1: be just real I think, civil implications, I think is
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Speaker 1: the best way to put it, if one of these
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Speaker 1: attempts succeeded, particularly in the case Peter, where you know
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Speaker 1: there are so many questions about how do these people
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Speaker 1: wind up getting so close to the former president? You know,
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Speaker 1: so often we had crooks in Butler, PA. We've got
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Speaker 1: this guy Roush in Florida. I would have thought there
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Speaker 1: would do much more security around the golf course, especially
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Speaker 1: after what happened nine weeks ago. So you know, the
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Speaker 1: authorities have it on them to not only protect the
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Speaker 1: president but be really really public about the fact that
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Speaker 1: they are doing everything they can, because otherwise, if God forbid,
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Speaker 1: a third person tries this, and really God forbid, you know,
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Speaker 1: they're more successful in their attempt. The implications if people
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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the president was not protected, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to think about.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to you in a moment, James, and
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Speaker 2: talk to you about how this might play out in
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Speaker 2: the last days of the campaign, because I think that's
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Speaker 2: critically important. But it's very relevant to us here in Australia,
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Speaker 2: notwithstanding obviously it's a leader at the Free World position
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Speaker 2: we're talking about here can but later on this week
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Speaker 2: our paym will head to the US for the Quad
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Speaker 2: Leader's summit in Delaware. Today in the media and this
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Speaker 2: tells me where international travel and Albanese is playing out
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Speaker 2: with his polling. The Prime Minister was it pains to
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Speaker 2: tell journalists he was only going to be in the
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Speaker 2: States for just one day. Now, what's on the agenda
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Speaker 2: with its Quad meeting? Because it's worth noting that two
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Speaker 2: out of the four people in the room at the summit, well,
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Speaker 2: they are lame duck leaders, aren't they now?
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Speaker 12: One foot out the door. Fimia Kashida's retiring at the
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Speaker 12: end of the month. Of course, Joe Biden not the
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Speaker 12: president beyond November. So you do wonder how much will
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Speaker 12: come out of this, Peter. Arguably, some of the most
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Speaker 12: interesting things that may or may not happen will happen
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Speaker 12: on the sidelines of this meeting, a one day summit
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Speaker 12: in Delaware, Joe Biden's backyard. He's seen this Quad summit
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Speaker 12: broadly as a bit of a legacy piece. He was
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Speaker 12: part of elevating it, along with Scott Morrison and others
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Speaker 12: to a Leader's Dialogue in twenty twenty one, So he
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Speaker 12: sees it as a bit of a legacy piece, perhaps
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Speaker 12: a chance to say a few thank yous and goodbyes
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Speaker 12: to the other leaders. But on the sidelines of that,
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Speaker 12: we're expecting a few more announcements to kick orcus a
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Speaker 12: little bit further down the road. The big one to watch, though,
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Speaker 12: Peter and the Prime Minister was asked explicitly about this
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Speaker 12: today was whether there'd be any outreach at all during
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Speaker 12: this trip as quick as it is to the Donald
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Speaker 12: Trump camp. Now, the PM didn't say yes or no.
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Speaker 12: He just said his itinery hasn't been finalized. But you
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Speaker 12: think there's no time like the president if that kind
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Speaker 12: of outreach while the Prime Minister is in the US
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Speaker 12: to take place, there might be a few hours spare
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Speaker 12: if someone maybe not the PM, maybe even as just
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Speaker 12: at a diplomacy level, if there was some kind of
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Speaker 12: outreach and engagement there because they need to prepare. If
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump does win in November, then it would be
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Speaker 12: a very different looking administration. And you know, even meetings
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Speaker 12: like the Quad they might continue, but would certainly look
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Speaker 12: very different under a Trump presidency.
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Speaker 2: And of course Labour's got let saddlebags with Kevin RhD
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Speaker 2: and his previous comments about Donald Trump. I think they'd
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Speaker 2: be fine with Kamala Harris. I think he does have
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Speaker 2: to build some bridges with a Republican site. James, let's
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Speaker 2: go back to the whole issue of how this might
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Speaker 2: change things in the campaign. We saw after Butler he
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Speaker 2: gave up those big, large scale rallies and went into rallies. Yes,
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Speaker 2: but you know, in contained environments, so they can had
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Speaker 2: be better security vetting as people walk through. What's going
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Speaker 2: to happen now, because you would think this was his
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Speaker 2: own golf course. You would also think there'd been an
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Speaker 2: increase in his Secret Service coverage after the last attempt.
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Speaker 2: But clearly I was reading in reports today it's not
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Speaker 2: at the standard of a city in president. So he's
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Speaker 2: got to be vulnerable, and it's got to play with
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Speaker 2: how he runs his campaign.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, you know, I just don't think you
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Speaker 1: can keep him down. You know, the fact of the
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Speaker 1: matter is Donald Trump wants a campaign. The way he
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Speaker 1: wins is by getting in front of people. This was
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Speaker 1: the way he won in twenty sixteen. Remember he spent
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Speaker 1: that whole months and months and months campaign at rallies,
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Speaker 1: at events in small towns, doing four or five six
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Speaker 1: things a day. Sometimes. Well, Hillary Clinton, he now spent
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Speaker 1: most of her time in the Hamptins and in New
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Speaker 1: York and in Hollywood and Beverly Hills doing fundraisers for
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Speaker 1: the elite, and you know, that's what worked, and it
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Speaker 1: flies under the radar, and that's what worked for Trump,
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Speaker 1: and that's what he's going to want to do again.
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Speaker 2: What about turnout, James, what about turnout?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? I look, I think people will still come out.
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Speaker 1: And I think here's the other thing too. I think
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Speaker 1: you know, we forgot about Butler in two weeks. The
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Speaker 1: media cycle ended so quickly on that, and I think
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Speaker 1: the media cycle will end very quickly on this. But
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Speaker 1: it will Peter galvanized. I think his supporters, because this
21:13
Speaker 1: plays exactly into his frame. They are trying to come
21:17
Speaker 1: for me. A lot of the commentary I've seen on
21:20
Speaker 1: Twitter has been, you know, they'd kill any Trump supporter
21:23
Speaker 1: where they see they mean the people who are out
21:25
Speaker 1: there that section who absolutely hates Donald Trump and seems
21:29
Speaker 1: to be violently inclined towards him.
21:34
Speaker 2: Right, let's go back to Canbra Can. We've got another
21:37
Speaker 2: bad poll for Labor. This is the latest Financial Review
21:40
Speaker 2: Freshwater Pole. It has in the poll that had Dutton
21:44
Speaker 2: minority governments now in playing take us through the detail.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, you can see Labor's primary by ticking down there
21:52
Speaker 12: to thirty percent you certainly don't want that to have
21:54
Speaker 12: a two in front of it. And there are other
21:56
Speaker 12: poles that suggest that they're certainly not massively improving, but
21:59
Speaker 12: perhaps in going backwards on that thirty two and a
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Speaker 12: bit percent they had in twenty twenty two. So look,
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Speaker 12: that puts US right in the frame for minority either way. Peter,
22:06
Speaker 12: and you start to think, with poles like this, what
22:08
Speaker 12: are those minority governments going to look like? Because the
22:11
Speaker 12: maths of it is you need seventy six seats for
22:13
Speaker 12: a majority in the House, and this pole would have
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Speaker 12: the Coalition looking at around seventy, maybe slightly above Labo
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Speaker 12: US about sixty five. And traditional wisdom would tell you, well,
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Speaker 12: if the coalition's on seventy, they've got their nose in front,
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Speaker 12: surely they'll form government. But that's not necessarily the case.
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Speaker 12: When you throw the mix, say five six Greens, we
22:31
Speaker 12: don't know where the Teals would go. The other variables
22:34
Speaker 12: of Andrew wilk and Rebecca Sharky and Helen Haynes even
22:37
Speaker 12: direly perhaps what do they do in that scenario. There's
22:41
Speaker 12: no guarantee that even if the Coalition got the seventy
22:43
Speaker 12: or seventy one that they'd be able to creep up
22:45
Speaker 12: to seventy six. You could see this European style, if
22:48
Speaker 12: you like, minority government with a party over here and
22:51
Speaker 12: a party over there, a hodgepodge coming together and pushing
22:55
Speaker 12: a party like Labor if they came in it, say
22:57
Speaker 12: around sixty five, sixty six, all the way up to
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Speaker 12: six seventy six. I know that's a lot of numbers there,
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Speaker 12: but I guess the point I'm trying to make is
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Speaker 12: it's not just getting your nose in front to get
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Speaker 12: government that a party like Labor could go underperform. They
23:09
Speaker 12: could go from a long way back and still find
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Speaker 12: a way somehow to pull together a minority government. I'm
23:15
Speaker 12: not saying that would be easy, but it is mathematically possible.
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Speaker 2: And it would be a constitutional test for a governor
23:23
Speaker 2: general if you had both of them, leader of the
23:25
Speaker 2: Opposition and incumbent Prime Minister turning up trying to convince
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Speaker 2: them that they have confidence and supply. Thank you, gentlemen, right.
23:33
Speaker 2: I outline this, of course at the top of the show.
23:35
Speaker 2: Exiled Liberal moradeemings defamation trial against the Victorian Liberal Leader
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader John Pizuto commenced today in the Federal Court
23:43
Speaker 2: for the latest. I'm joined now by a reporter who
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Speaker 2: had to suffer through Day one, skyne Is Victorian reporter
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Speaker 2: Simon Love suffer. Well, look, we think it's going to
23:52
Speaker 2: run for about three weeks, don't we. And you've got
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Speaker 2: two very theatrical, very senior QCs for you know, both
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Speaker 2: sides of the cases, for both sides of the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: There give us a sense of what Day one looked like.
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Speaker 13: Well, I think it was theatrical and certainly, certainly from
24:11
Speaker 13: Sukras and Threw starting out, she certainly tried to paint
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Speaker 13: the picture that we Redeeming was hard done by it
24:17
Speaker 13: essentially so in the court today we certainly saw a
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Speaker 13: fair bit of rerunning of the case against more redeeming
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Speaker 13: that John Pasudo tried to put through this dossy are
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Speaker 13: I think the most interesting, particularly for your audience tonight, Peter,
24:33
Speaker 13: was just some of the hearing in court, some of
24:36
Speaker 13: the efforts from senior liberals in trying to slow John
24:41
Speaker 13: Purshudo down with what he was up to. I mean,
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Speaker 13: the text messages that came out late this afternoon from
24:47
Speaker 13: Peter Dutton to John Pascudo were instinctive so Peter Dutton
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Speaker 13: a texted John Pasudo. Remember this was back in March
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Speaker 13: last year April last year aston by election on foot
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Speaker 13: quote John, for the the sake of Aston, could you
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Speaker 13: please put this issue to bed today, no more media please,
25:05
Speaker 13: And John Pursudo replied, we might be able to show
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Speaker 13: on the screen. Essentially, he wanted to keep some of
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Speaker 13: his media commitments and he thought it would be worse
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Speaker 13: if he pulled out that. He sort of sympathized with
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Speaker 13: Peter dup Sarah Henderson too.
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Speaker 2: And I'll also make the point. At the time and
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Speaker 2: more Redeemon was told she could not make any comments
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Speaker 2: in the media. She was threatened with a media expulsion
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Speaker 2: that came today.
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Speaker 13: So the court heard that more Redeeming was under the
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Speaker 13: impression that as a backbench at Peace, she could not
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Speaker 13: make any public media statement without the authorization of the office.
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Speaker 13: Now bear in mind these are just opening statements from
25:44
Speaker 13: the It's not quite the prosecution the applicant in this case.
25:47
Speaker 13: Given her a civil matter, we're still going.
25:51
Speaker 2: To get it.
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Speaker 13: Probably about a week and a half I was speaking
25:53
Speaker 13: to some legal figures of the court. Probably about a
25:56
Speaker 13: week and a half will be Sukusan through presenting her case.
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Speaker 13: The witnesses she'll call a fascinating I mean just names,
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Speaker 13: Warren Mundine, Sarah Henderson, Rene Heath, John Ruddock, the Libertarian
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Speaker 13: from New South Wales, David Hodgett, state MP in for
26:13
Speaker 13: Croydon here in Victoria, Jo McCracken, Ryan Smith, Kim Wells.
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Speaker 13: So then on the other side of the ledger, it's
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Speaker 13: expected that David South with Georgie Crozier, Louise Staley, Pursudo's
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Speaker 13: current chief of staff, his former chief of staff Rodrigo
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Speaker 13: Pintos Lopez, and his former communications director Nick Johnston Bella.
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Speaker 2: Just on the last two. I mean, there was that
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Speaker 2: staush in court in the preparatories to this trial where
26:38
Speaker 2: they were asked that the former chief of staff and
26:40
Speaker 2: the former communications head, where are all these documents? You know,
26:44
Speaker 2: everybody else has turned up the emails and the text messages,
26:47
Speaker 2: et cetera. And they were claiming that their accounts had
26:50
Speaker 2: been deactivated. But chrysanthem mate the point deactivated, mate doesn't
26:54
Speaker 2: mean deleted. Have they turned on?
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Speaker 13: I think so that was a question to John Pshudo's office.
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Speaker 13: That's right, because Rodregue Pinto Slopez and Nick Johnston wouldn't
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Speaker 13: have access to that account through the Department of Premiere
27:06
Speaker 13: and Cabinet, but that came out of question be requested.
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Speaker 13: But the request was made to Pasudo's office. They tried
27:12
Speaker 13: to get hold of those emails. I think there was
27:15
Speaker 13: also a fair bit of a back and forth. I
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Speaker 13: think you mentioned this off the top of the show
27:19
Speaker 13: about communications that John Pastudo's team were trying to get
27:22
Speaker 13: out of more redeeming sit in discovery for the interest
27:25
Speaker 13: of full disclosure. That includes text messages between Mauror Deeming
27:30
Speaker 13: and myself obviously yourself as well, so important to let
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Speaker 13: our viewers know that. But I think the other thing
27:36
Speaker 13: to today has really been fascinating to see John Pursudo
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Speaker 13: spending an entire day sitting in a federal court room
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Speaker 13: not out, hitting the hustings, not out has.
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Speaker 2: Been Give me your assessment. Has it been a distraction
27:52
Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party given how poorlybl and government suffering
27:55
Speaker 2: in the polls.
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Speaker 13: I think my analysis on it is that the Liberal
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Speaker 13: Party always strives, and I think all of their MPs
28:02
Speaker 13: go out publicly and say we want to talk about
28:04
Speaker 13: other things. We want to talk about the health Cristis,
28:06
Speaker 13: we want to talk about the debt crisis in Victoria,
28:10
Speaker 13: but they cannot prosecute that at the moment with this
28:12
Speaker 13: federal court case on foot, and if it's going for
28:15
Speaker 13: three weeks and you're going to have a number of
28:16
Speaker 13: MPs that come up as witnesses, number giving subpoenas against
28:20
Speaker 13: the leadership, it's just it does spell a little bit
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Speaker 13: of disaster or well, I'm sure John Pas she will
28:28
Speaker 13: be trying to limit the disaster. But it spells a
28:30
Speaker 13: bit of trouble I think especially.
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Speaker 2: I mean I spoke to a.
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Speaker 13: Couple of liberal MPs this afternoon who sold me we
28:37
Speaker 13: didn't watch the trial at all today. We just tried
28:39
Speaker 13: to not to just distance.
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Speaker 2: Just like they don't worry about the polls and they
28:43
Speaker 2: don't know what the numbers are going when they all
28:44
Speaker 2: look at just quickly before we go, some talk of
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Speaker 2: some bombshell audio tomorrow.
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Speaker 13: David Southwick. The Court heard recorded a meeting that was
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Speaker 13: held between the leadership Cheam and Moiradeeming. This was on
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Speaker 13: the pivot Sunday where mu Redei was brought in the
29:02
Speaker 13: day after let women speak rally the court her and
29:05
Speaker 13: it was the Monday.
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Speaker 2: Then that they moved on the saying that they were going.
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Speaker 13: Well the Mondays when the dossier at least was released
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Speaker 13: to media. At least I got my hands on it
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Speaker 13: on the Monday morning, and I think it was.
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Speaker 2: The Monday night that John Pizuto said exactly where you
29:19
Speaker 2: were and dossier here on Scott Views. But you'll say
29:22
Speaker 2: that there is audio now of this meeting.
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Speaker 6: There is.
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Speaker 13: And the point today in court was this wasn't discovered
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Speaker 13: until last Monday. So in the midst of legal discovery.
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Speaker 13: Not to bore our viewers with legal jargon, but you,
29:34
Speaker 13: as a former lawyer, know that you know you can
29:37
Speaker 13: try and discover documents in the midst of a civil trial.
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Speaker 13: This audio recording, or at least the existence of it,
29:43
Speaker 13: was not known to Sue Chris anthw She told the court.
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Speaker 2: Until last Monday, Monday Monday. Well, we'll watch it all closely.
29:50
Speaker 2: Thank you, Simon Love, thank you. All right, we'll stay
29:52
Speaker 2: across that trial. I can tell you what we will
29:54
Speaker 2: stay across the trial. Here on cred Lnder right after
29:56
Speaker 2: the break, expert poster Cos Samaras on the warning side
30:00
Speaker 2: lines for labor in its heartland seats. Out of the weekends,
30:03
Speaker 2: New South Wales local council elections plus the latest poll
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Speaker 2: that shows a minority coalition government now very much in play.
30:17
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the grave questions about how the ABC
30:21
Speaker 2: could have docted audio and put it to air when
30:25
Speaker 2: it comes to its Afghanistan war crimes reporting Now, if intentional,
30:30
Speaker 2: it's hard to overstate just how damaging this is for
30:33
Speaker 2: national broadcaster. First, I want to go now to those
30:37
Speaker 2: results from the weekends new South Wales council elections with
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Speaker 2: a number of interesting takeouts. It could very well impact
30:43
Speaker 2: the upcoming federal election. The main one being what these
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Speaker 2: council results say about the labor brand, particularly in more
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Speaker 2: diverse communities, which will be key battleground areas for labor
30:55
Speaker 2: as they try and hold onto power. For his analysis,
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by experts Polster red Bridge Group Director
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Speaker 2: Cos Samaris, because welcome to the program. Look, there's a
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Speaker 2: lot out of this weekend that's worth taking a part.
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Speaker 2: I mean upfront, you've got someone like Frank Carboni. He's
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Speaker 2: the mayor of Fairfield. Fairfield, he was returned with nearly
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Speaker 2: eighty percent of the Vote's course a strong supporter and
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Speaker 2: she's of him. Of die Lee Di Lee beats Christina
31:21
Speaker 2: Cannely in a landslide. Back in twenty twenty two, bad
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Speaker 2: results too for Labor in Liverpool. Parts have been along
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Speaker 2: parts of Barton as well as losing its majority in
31:31
Speaker 2: Cumberland and Canterbury Banks down. What does all this say
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Speaker 2: to you?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's a continuation of what started in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty two. Some of us will argue as it actually
31:42
Speaker 4: started probably about five years ago and a bit longer,
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Speaker 4: and that he's a steady erosional Labour's support base in
31:49
Speaker 4: diverse communities. So in twenty twenty two we saw what
31:52
Speaker 4: happening Fowlow and you so wells in Sydney. But you know,
31:56
Speaker 4: you fast forward six months from that election, then you
31:59
Speaker 4: go into the into the Victorian state election and very
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Speaker 4: significant swings against labor again diverse communities. Now we have
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Speaker 4: another data point, local government elections in Sydney again swing
32:12
Speaker 4: against labor in diverse communities. The only time they actually
32:15
Speaker 4: are able to address that is when they themselves pre
32:18
Speaker 4: select the candidate or endorse the candidate from a diverse
32:22
Speaker 4: background that is similar to the ward in this case
32:25
Speaker 4: that they are contesting. And good example was in bass
32:28
Speaker 4: Hill Ward where the labor candidate Muslim background fifty seven
32:34
Speaker 4: percent of the vote, but in most other wards it
32:37
Speaker 4: was the exact opposite, you know, like I do.
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Speaker 2: Though, some of these safe seats, whether the safe level
32:45
Speaker 2: or safe Labor, they're used as rewards for people who
32:49
Speaker 2: live literally on the other side of the city. I mean,
32:52
Speaker 2: I'll use the case of Mark Dreyfus. He lives suburbs
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Speaker 2: and suburbs away from the seat he holds down here
32:59
Speaker 2: in Melbourne. The same thing happens in Sydney as well.
33:02
Speaker 2: If they keep parachuting people in like we're seeing in
33:05
Speaker 2: the seat of Paramatta Andrew Charlton lives nowhere near or
33:09
Speaker 2: lived nowhere near the city now represents that's danger territory
33:13
Speaker 2: for labor, isn't it? Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: And look they're not showing many signs actually learning these lessons.
33:19
Speaker 4: I mean Fowler was a really good example of that case.
33:22
Speaker 4: You've just articulated. Younger Australians from diverse backgrounds are very savvy.
33:28
Speaker 8: They will.
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Speaker 4: As I mentioned that example before, where you've got that
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Speaker 4: diverse candidate, they stood, she performed really well. You go
33:35
Speaker 4: to South Grahamville where they put up a middle aged
33:40
Speaker 4: white blow and his vote collapse from sixty percent from
33:44
Speaker 4: the last election to twenty percent, So they will these
33:48
Speaker 4: younger voters will tactically vote to send people a message,
33:51
Speaker 4: particularly the Labor Party, if you're going to ship someone in,
33:54
Speaker 4: we're going to give you a blood nose.
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Speaker 2: We saw, obviously with the whole Liberal Party nominations fiasco
34:03
Speaker 2: a number of councils where there was just no Liberal
34:05
Speaker 2: option on the weekend. That's made those councils now shift
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Speaker 2: to the left. Are there any federal implications here?
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Speaker 4: Okay, we go over to Penrith and Camden where the
34:17
Speaker 4: Libertarians did really well in place of the Liberal Party. Look,
34:21
Speaker 4: I'm old enough to remember that when the Liberal Party
34:23
Speaker 4: stuffed up to this extent, at the beneficiary was the
34:27
Speaker 4: Labor Party. And there has been occasions where the Little Party,
34:31
Speaker 4: I think in Victoria in the two thousand and two
34:34
Speaker 4: state election, forgot to enroll will have there then shadow
34:38
Speaker 4: treasurer correctly enrolled and they weren't able to nominate him.
34:42
Speaker 4: The swing in that seat was massive to Labor. But
34:46
Speaker 4: in this occasion, yep, they went to the Libertarians in
34:50
Speaker 4: this occasion. And so again evidence another evidence point that
34:54
Speaker 4: when presented with the opportunity to vote for labor because
34:57
Speaker 4: there is no liberal candred the field in these out
35:01
Speaker 4: of suburban peri urban areas, they choose something else. So again,
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Speaker 4: confirmation of what we're seeing across the board.
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Speaker 2: Really, you made a point. I was looking at Twitter
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Speaker 2: feed today. The Freshwater pole out today there's been a
35:17
Speaker 2: four point one percent swen to the coalitions. It's the
35:20
Speaker 2: last election. If it was replicated again, it would see
35:23
Speaker 2: a one sorry, see the coalition get to one seat
35:26
Speaker 2: off an absolute majority. You say the paint is peeling
35:32
Speaker 2: off labor. It's been happening, you say over months. You
35:36
Speaker 2: also reckon around twenty two seats could be in play.
35:40
Speaker 2: How serious are these poles?
35:43
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I mean, whether it's Freshwater, whether it's our research,
35:47
Speaker 4: news poll, every public pole out there is showing a trend,
35:52
Speaker 4: and steadily that trend is pointing or pushing the labor
35:56
Speaker 4: priory into a flat thirty and below thirty. And the
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Speaker 4: problem labor has in this situation is that every month
36:03
Speaker 4: that passes, thousands of Australians go from being in the
36:06
Speaker 4: black to the red. And what I mean by that
36:09
Speaker 4: is that they're chewing into their savings, savings which are
36:12
Speaker 4: taken years to accrue. And you know, the warning old
36:16
Speaker 4: issue to the labor side of politics is if you
36:19
Speaker 4: think that one drop of an interest rate is going
36:21
Speaker 4: to save you, but you've got to think again, because
36:24
Speaker 4: these Australians are going to take years to rebuild those
36:27
Speaker 4: savings again. So the resentment and the grievance out there
36:30
Speaker 4: is going to be present when Albanizy goes to the
36:32
Speaker 4: Government house.
36:36
Speaker 2: The problem with this cause is you don't see that
36:37
Speaker 2: the government's doing anything to arrest this slide. We see
36:41
Speaker 2: that Oxford Economics start to come out to day to
36:43
Speaker 2: say if there's going to be any sort of rate cut,
36:47
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen until of April May next year. Now,
36:50
Speaker 2: the longer they keep putting off going to the polls
36:52
Speaker 2: and having their election thinking things will turn around and
36:55
Speaker 2: get better, they could actually go the other way and
36:58
Speaker 2: this could be their high watermark. It could get a
37:00
Speaker 2: lot worse from here. And this is the sort of
37:02
Speaker 2: stuff you presume they're talking about internally.
37:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is a terrible bind they find
37:09
Speaker 4: themselves in. Now they've spent two years not really getting
37:13
Speaker 4: the setting right in sending a signal to the Australian
37:16
Speaker 4: public that they are in their corner trying to help.
37:19
Speaker 4: Don't even see well looks, but trying to help. They've
37:23
Speaker 4: spent two years not doing that successfully. They will argue
37:26
Speaker 4: they tried and now if they turn around and say, well, Pristo,
37:30
Speaker 4: we've got these new policies that an address some of
37:32
Speaker 4: your concerns, people's response will be where were you for
37:35
Speaker 4: two years? And so the cynicism within the electrics is
37:39
Speaker 4: going to be pretty extreme when they pivot and try
37:43
Speaker 4: to actually make this an election about what their planning
37:45
Speaker 4: is for the next three years, because the narrative that
37:48
Speaker 4: the voices that we hear across the country is they
37:51
Speaker 4: seem to be absent at the moment.
37:55
Speaker 2: Spill on customaris, thank you for out of the brig
37:58
Speaker 2: We'll get into the ABC and that doc did audio
38:01
Speaker 2: as part of war crimes investigations. Plus a whistleblower who
38:05
Speaker 2: claims he told the Prime Minister about the cfmu's links
38:09
Speaker 2: to organized crime, alleged links ten years ago, yet nothing
38:14
Speaker 2: was done. Welcome back, So what happens are we nearly there?
38:23
Speaker 2: Have we got to the point where AFL fans are
38:25
Speaker 2: shunning Welcome to country, ceremonies. I think that's where we
38:29
Speaker 2: are after the weekend. We'll get to that at a moment,
38:31
Speaker 2: but first, the ABC has removed footage from its controversial
38:35
Speaker 2: Afghan war crime story after allegations aired it doctored audio,
38:39
Speaker 2: with a broadcaster now under pressure to explain how this
38:42
Speaker 2: could happen with the footage having been on the website
38:46
Speaker 2: now for almost two years. The ABC initially reported that
38:50
Speaker 2: an Australian soldier fired multiple shots at civilians from a helicopter. However,
38:55
Speaker 2: last night's seven Spotlight program revealed that the clip includes
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Speaker 2: docted audio, with only one shot actually being fired. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this in more. Shadow Attorney General,
39:08
Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Workplace Relations Michaalia Cash. Well, it's shocking
39:14
Speaker 2: the ABC admitting it's doctored audio. We're still not clear
39:19
Speaker 2: if it was done intentionally, Michaylia. We cannot have the
39:23
Speaker 2: ABC here investigate themselves yet again. Surely there's got to
39:28
Speaker 2: be an independent inquiry.
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Speaker 14: Well, Peter, shocking scandal and quite frankly, heads should roll.
39:40
Speaker 14: And if the ABC tries to throw a low level
39:44
Speaker 14: producer or a low level editor under the bus, that
39:48
Speaker 14: won't be good enough. Responsibility for this type of content.
39:53
Speaker 14: It goes right up the chain when it comes to
39:56
Speaker 14: these types of shows. So this will be a test
39:59
Speaker 14: for the new YOU chairman, Kim Williams. I hope he
40:03
Speaker 14: is demanding answers from management. They need to stand up
40:08
Speaker 14: in front of the Australian people and explain what, when, where,
40:12
Speaker 14: why how? But most importantly, Peter who and in that
40:18
Speaker 14: regard Senate estimates is going to be a very very
40:22
Speaker 14: interesting estimates in a few weeks time.
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Speaker 2: We will watch that closely. Let's go to the government.
40:30
Speaker 2: There was a huge story today CFMY YOU whistle blower
40:33
Speaker 2: Andrew Quirk revealing he personally warned Anthony Albinezi back in
40:38
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen about potential things between the Union and organized crime.
40:43
Speaker 2: Quirk was out on radio this morning Radio t GB
40:46
Speaker 2: and Sydney. Here's a little bit of what he had
40:47
Speaker 2: to say.
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Speaker 10: Wasn't there a great concern from the PM then?
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Speaker 15: Mate, it was a ten minute meeting.
40:56
Speaker 2: I felt that it was a hot potato.
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Speaker 15: And I was a hot potato.
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Speaker 10: I mean, you know, did you witness, Andrew, did you
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Speaker 10: witness some of this behavior or were you told by
41:09
Speaker 10: confidence in the CFM, EU.
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Speaker 3: How did witnessed it?
41:14
Speaker 10: I was subject to it.
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Speaker 2: You'll have picked that up at home. That was Luke
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Speaker 2: Grant there, obviously not Ray Hadley. The Prime Minister reckons
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Speaker 2: he didn't know anything about this. The first in you
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Speaker 2: was when Channel nine reports came out. But Quirk there
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Speaker 2: is very clear. He reckons he told the Prime minister
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Speaker 2: and he is himself a former CMU organizer. And that's
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Speaker 2: exactly right.
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Speaker 14: Peter, the Prime Minister of Australia has very very serious
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Speaker 14: questions to answer. I mean, he acted surprised in July
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Speaker 14: of this year when the allegations were yet again made public.
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Speaker 14: He told the Australian people he'd only just learned about
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Speaker 14: the criminality the control by underworld figures in the CFMEU.
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Speaker 14: And yet now we have a CFMEU whistleblower who has
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Speaker 14: put his name to the story on the front page
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Speaker 14: of the Australians, clearly detailing a meeting he had with
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Speaker 14: mister Albanisi in two thousand and fourteen where he raised
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Speaker 14: these concerns. So again, mister Albanezi needs to stand up
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Speaker 14: in front of the Australian people and say, I mean,
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Speaker 14: is mister Quirk, is he misleading the Australian people. I
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Speaker 14: don't think so, which can only mean one thing. Again,
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Speaker 14: the Prime Minister, yet again has serious questions to answer.
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Speaker 14: Do I think he's going to answer those questions, Peter No,
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Speaker 14: because let's face it, he backs the CFMEU in every
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Speaker 14: single step of the way.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly. This report, it's an intro and report by
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Watson sc This is about the Victorian branch. He
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Speaker 2: talks about a cycle of lawlessness, violence being an accepted
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Speaker 2: part of a culture. He talks about by kids still
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Speaker 2: operating on taxpayer funded building sides in Victoria. I mean,
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Speaker 2: what an earth is going to change with administration, Senator, in.
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Speaker 14: Relation to the issues you've raised. Possibly nothing, But mister
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Speaker 14: ALBERANIZI couldn't care less. He abolished the ABCC at the
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Speaker 14: behest of John Setka and the CFMU. Since he became
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Speaker 14: Labor leader, six point two million dollars has flowed directly
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Speaker 14: from the CFMEU to the Australian Labor Party. We have
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Speaker 14: two bills currently in the Senate, the restoration of the
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Speaker 14: Australian Building and Construction Commission and a bill which would
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Speaker 14: allow criminals to be taken off construction sites in Australia permanently.
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Speaker 14: But guess what, the Labor Party, Peter won't be supporting
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Speaker 14: either of them because ultimately they don't care. They are
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Speaker 14: still basically being controlled by the CFMEU and as I said,
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Speaker 14: it is little wonder given the money they have got
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Speaker 14: for years and years and years they have effectively condoned
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Speaker 14: and in fact facilitated the behavior we have seen on
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Speaker 14: construction sites.
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Speaker 2: Senator Cash, thank you alright after the break, another convicted
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Speaker 2: sex offender, foreign criminal gets to stay in Australia. Plus
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Speaker 2: footy fans are angry as welcome to country ceremonies alienate
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Speaker 2: rather than welcome, with calls for the entire practice to
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Speaker 2: come to an end. Welcome back, Let's bring you in
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Speaker 2: my wonderful panel joining me tonight Scanny's contributor for Howard
44:44
Speaker 2: Government Minister Gary Hargraves an LPMP Keith Pitt will start
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Speaker 2: with this one, Keith. Another immigration blunder under Labor, this
44:53
Speaker 2: time a Colombian born sex offender who committed a vile
44:58
Speaker 2: act in front of a teenager, then breached his bail
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Speaker 2: trying to convince her not to give evidence against him.
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Speaker 2: And he's now been deemed as eligible to stay in Australia.
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Speaker 2: The Administrative Appeals Tribunal found that the man could stay
45:14
Speaker 2: because it would be in the best interests of his
45:16
Speaker 2: eleven year old daughter. Now this all goes back to
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Speaker 2: Labour's revamped direction number one hundred and ten. But I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what Keith I mean, if you think you're
45:27
Speaker 2: going to get deported, hurry up and get yourself an
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Speaker 2: Australian woman. He'll give you a child and then you
45:32
Speaker 2: just drag out the case as long as you can
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Speaker 2: and use the child as covert as stay Peter.
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Speaker 9: As you know, this is not how it's supposed to be.
45:43
Speaker 9: And the AA I feel a bit sorry for the
45:45
Speaker 9: people in the AAT because they'll be following that direction
45:48
Speaker 9: to the letter of the law, because that's what they
45:50
Speaker 9: have to do. But since when Why is it that
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Speaker 9: the offender always gets the benefit? Why is it the
45:56
Speaker 9: people who commit these crimes are the ones that get
45:58
Speaker 9: the advantage. What about that the victims? What about the
46:01
Speaker 9: poor people in this country who are already here, who
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Speaker 9: are citizens who were born here? Why is it their fault?
46:06
Speaker 9: Why should they be put at risk? Well, these are
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Speaker 9: decisions of the Labor government. We saw the hapless Minister Giles.
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Speaker 9: And here's another example.
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Speaker 2: Let's go up to Brisbane, Gary, the afour fans being
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Speaker 2: very angry about a device you've welcomed a country that
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Speaker 2: took place on Saturday night. Have a listen, all.
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Speaker 15: Welcome to country is not a ceremony that we've invented
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Speaker 15: to cater for white people. It's a ceremony we've been
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Speaker 15: doing for two hundred and fifty thousand years plus BC
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Speaker 15: and the BC stands for before.
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Speaker 2: Cook Collinwood premiership captain Tarna Shaw called this out, called
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Speaker 2: out the AFL as a weak, politically correct organization, pointing
46:53
Speaker 2: out the while the port out of the Adelaide coach
46:55
Speaker 2: was hit with a twenty thousand dollars fine for a
46:58
Speaker 2: verbal attack on a Hawthorne player, there's been no action,
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Speaker 2: he says on the divisive and embarrassing ceremony. I tell
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Speaker 2: you what, Gary, I'm bloody sick of being lectured to
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Speaker 2: about my own country.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'll take a lead from just sit to
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Speaker 10: napper Jebber Price. He said, I don't need to be
47:18
Speaker 10: welcome to my own country. This thing was just cooked
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Speaker 10: up by you know, by comedian like about thirty years ago.
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Speaker 10: There's no two hundred and fifty thousand years. Where does
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Speaker 10: he get that from. He's just making stuff up. But
47:32
Speaker 10: the divisive aspect of this, Tony Shaw is right, you
47:35
Speaker 10: should abandon this. It was a lot simpler when there
47:37
Speaker 10: was one flag, one anthem. And we're all Australians of
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Speaker 10: no matter what our backgrounds, no matter what our beliefs.
47:43
Speaker 10: I mean, I'm wanting for the Prime Minister start putting
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Speaker 10: a Pride flag behind him along with the Aboriginal and
47:48
Speaker 10: Arrest Trade Island. A flag, one flag, one country, one anthem,
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Speaker 10: and we're all in this together. We can all have
47:54
Speaker 10: our own beliefs, Peter. We can all cheer on whatever
47:57
Speaker 10: team we like, but you start with the divisive thing
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Speaker 10: like this. This bloke should never be invited back again
48:03
Speaker 10: by the AFL. They have to account to the fans
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Speaker 10: for this, and I'm one of them.
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Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty one billion dollars. This is our
48:13
Speaker 2: resources pipeline under threat because of red tape, lawfare and
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Speaker 2: unproductive IR policies. That's how we pay our way in
48:22
Speaker 2: the world, isn't it, Keith. That's how we pay for
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Speaker 2: the NDIS and for our military hardware and all the
48:27
Speaker 2: other things like our pensions. But we're squandering that because
48:31
Speaker 2: labor is so weak. It appeases to the Greens all
48:34
Speaker 2: the time. It cares about the inner city vote rather
48:36
Speaker 2: than the budget bottom line.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Peter, For the resources sector under the labor government,
48:43
Speaker 9: no matter how bad it is, it can always get worse,
48:45
Speaker 9: and it looks like it will. One hundred and thirty
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Speaker 9: one billion dollars is a lot of investment, it's a
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Speaker 9: lot of jobs, it's a lot of opportunities. And yet
48:54
Speaker 9: no matter what happens, we see decisions like the Goal
48:57
Speaker 9: mine under Tanya Pliversec gone. Now they're looking at the
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Speaker 9: b Basin again, trying to knock it over. They are
49:03
Speaker 9: just worried about green preferences in the city that don't
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Speaker 9: care about jobs. And when it comes to climate, Peter,
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Speaker 9: under this government, emissions are up. And not only that,
49:12
Speaker 9: we hear reports today that we're getting diesel generators to
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Speaker 9: run projects in Queensland.
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Speaker 2: Who knew you can't make this stuff up?
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Speaker 4: I did?
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Speaker 2: I mean down in Victoria last week that the Melbourne
49:25
Speaker 2: was ground to a holt Gary, we have three days
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Speaker 2: of incredibly violent protests. Poor old bleeding taxpayers find out
49:33
Speaker 2: that the cost of police for those three days of protests,
49:38
Speaker 2: it's close to thirty million dollars.
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Speaker 10: Well, nothing surprises me, and they certainly had a charge.
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Speaker 10: But look, public order is important. But the problem here
49:49
Speaker 10: is that Melbourne does have this sort of protest culture.
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Speaker 10: It likes to it likes to create this mess and
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Speaker 10: this fast and on the eleventh of September back in
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Speaker 10: what two thousand, that was when we had the World
50:01
Speaker 10: Economic Forum in Melbourne, the same sort of people. Maybe
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Speaker 10: it was an earlier generation. Look, this is just something
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Speaker 10: that this happens. And Rold Tim Pallace can argue about
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Speaker 10: the cost, but he doesn't mind taking the money to
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Speaker 10: come through from the big events. It's just the cost
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Speaker 10: for thirty million dollars. Wow, I'd like to know how
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Speaker 10: many public servants are being paid out of that amount.
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Speaker 2: You've got to be joking. Yeah, that's wrong. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to make some T shirts to say I'm a proud Victorian.
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Speaker 2: I'm very embarrassed about my state. Got to leave it there, boys,
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Speaker 2: see you next week. Thanks for your company. Andrew Bold's
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