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Raising Entrepreneurs with Margot Machol Bisnow · All Mom Does Podcast with Julie Lyles Carr

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  Speaker 1: Purposely your life, God's Purpose listen at purposely dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Starting in twenty ten, I would go to these events
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  Speaker 2: and meet all these young entrepreneurs, and I was so
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  Speaker 2: curious how they had turned out the way they did,
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  Speaker 2: so willing to work so single mindedly around the clock
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  Speaker 2: to achieve a purpose and take on so much risk.
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  Speaker 2: And they all told me the same thing. They all said,
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  Speaker 2: I had someone who believed in me, who told me
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  Speaker 2: I could do anything I put my mind to. Usually
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  Speaker 2: it was a family member, and almost all of the
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  Speaker 2: time it was their mom.
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  Speaker 3: Hey friend, I'm so glad you're here.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Julie Lyles Carr and this is the Allman Does Podcast,
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  Speaker 4: part of the Purposely podcast network, where we are so
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  Speaker 4: honored to come alongside you right in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: all this parenting and living and growing and learning thing
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  Speaker 4: that you're doing. You are such a beloved part of
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  Speaker 4: this cammunity and I so appreciate you being here to listen. Well, hey,
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  Speaker 4: you know, as we talk about parenting and parenting a
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  Speaker 4: whole new generation. I was so excited when this information
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  Speaker 4: for this guest hit my inbox because I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, I.
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  Speaker 4: Would have loved some guidance when my kids are a
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  Speaker 4: little bit younger around this topic. So I want you
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  Speaker 4: to welcome my new friend, Margo May call biz now.
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  Speaker 4: She is going to be talking us through how to
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  Speaker 4: prep our kids for a whole new economic employment job
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  Speaker 4: kind of world. Margo, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 4: on the show today.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's my pleasure. By the way, I wish I
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  Speaker 2: had had this information when my kids were growing.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, good, that makes me feel better. That makes me
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  Speaker 3: feel better.
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  Speaker 4: Well, give the listener a little idea of where you
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  Speaker 4: live in the world, what you do, all that kind
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  Speaker 4: of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mostly live in Washington, d C. But at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: as you can see from the pictures behind me, I
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  Speaker 2: am on Powder Mountain in Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 4: I actually lived in North Ogden, Pleasant View, Utah. I
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  Speaker 4: also lived in Washington, d C. I went from Washington,
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  Speaker 4: d C. To I know exactly where Powder Mountain is.
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  Speaker 4: I love it, and my folks lived in that area
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  Speaker 4: for over twenty years. So you're on one of the
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  Speaker 4: most beautiful spots in the whole wide world as far
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  Speaker 4: as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so grateful about the weather. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 3: It really is.
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  Speaker 4: I just love it up there, particularly in the summer.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it's great for the skiing and all
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  Speaker 4: of that on Powder Mountain, but this summer is just peak.
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  Speaker 3: It's really incredible.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I love that, Margo.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I want to hear.
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  Speaker 4: I want to let the listener know that what we're
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  Speaker 4: going to be talking about, I think is so powerful
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  Speaker 4: because we're talking about raising kids who have an entrepreneurial
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  Speaker 4: spirit to really equip them. And what I love about this, Margo,
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  Speaker 4: is that I think for a lot of us, we
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  Speaker 4: probably raised our kids with an eye toward Okay, we've
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  Speaker 4: got to get our kids through college, and if we
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  Speaker 4: get them through college, that'll answer whatever needs to happen
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  Speaker 4: on the other side. Or we need to get into
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  Speaker 4: trade school because if they can be a plumber or
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  Speaker 4: this or that, then they'll have something there that's core.
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  Speaker 4: And yet I hear so much fear with all the
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  Speaker 4: technologies that are really zooming out ahead of us, with AI,
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  Speaker 4: with what the job market will look like. How do
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  Speaker 4: I prepare my kid for this coming new world?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 3: The funny thing to me is I feel like.
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  Speaker 4: We act like these are new problems, and yet at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, and we take a look at world history,
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  Speaker 4: and we take a look at technologies. This has been
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  Speaker 4: a generational question at many points throughout history that we
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  Speaker 4: can think of the Industrial Revolution and if you had
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  Speaker 4: always been raised to be a blacksmith and now all
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  Speaker 4: of a sudden people are driving cars. I mean, this
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  Speaker 4: actually is a parenting equipping question that's been around for
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  Speaker 4: a very long time. But what I love is that
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  Speaker 4: you're saying, Hey, whatever's coming entrepreneurialism, how do we cultivate
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  Speaker 4: that in our kids? So I want to hear your
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  Speaker 4: path to beginning to look at this topic. Take me
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  Speaker 4: back to the beginning and why you started thinking, Huh,
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  Speaker 4: this is going to be something that parents are going
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  Speaker 4: to need to think about and consider as they prepare
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  Speaker 4: kids for this coming day.
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  Speaker 2: My oldest son, Elliott, started an organization called Summit or
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  Speaker 2: Summit Series that's conferences of young entrepreneurs, and starting in
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  Speaker 2: twenty ten, I would go to these events and meet
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  Speaker 2: all these young entrepreneurs and I was so curious how
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  Speaker 2: they had turned out the way they did, so willing
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  Speaker 2: to work so single mindedly around the clock to achieve
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  Speaker 2: a purpose and take on so much risk, And I
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  Speaker 2: kept asking them, and they all told me the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: They all said, I had someone who believed in me,
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  Speaker 2: who told me I could do anything I put my
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  Speaker 2: mind to. Usually it was a family member, and almost
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  Speaker 2: all of the time it was their mom.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow wow.
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  Speaker 2: And I kept not always ninety five percent of the time,
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  Speaker 2: right right right, and I kept talking about this.
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  Speaker 3: I was so blown away.
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  Speaker 2: And my kids said, you have to write a book.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, I can't write a book. And they're like, no,
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  Speaker 2: you have to write a book. I said, I can't
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  Speaker 2: write a book. They said, you have to write a book.
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  Speaker 2: So they wrote the forward. They said everyone needs someone
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  Speaker 2: to believe in them, and sometimes that's even your kids. Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I love that. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I decided, you know, I would try to find out.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be sort of systematic about it and really start
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  Speaker 2: interviewing people. My son, Elliot, said, Mom, do me a favorite.
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  Speaker 2: Don't just interview the billionaires, because first of all, they're
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  Speaker 2: all white men, and second of all, that's not what
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  Speaker 2: anyone's kid is going to end up being, and that
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  Speaker 2: also isn't the goal for ours. The goal is to
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  Speaker 2: start something you're passionate about that you can you know,
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  Speaker 2: make a life out of and that gives you joy
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  Speaker 2: and so that you have a fulfilling career. It's not
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  Speaker 2: to become a billionaire. If you want to become a billionaire,
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  Speaker 2: you know, go to Wall Street. So I cast my
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  Speaker 2: net broadly, half men, half women, every race, every religion,
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  Speaker 2: every socioeconomic background, small families, big families, divorced parents, single moms,
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  Speaker 2: blended families, small towns, big cities, born here, born overseas,
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  Speaker 2: every thing you could think of, going into for profit
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  Speaker 2: nonprofit artists, activists, And I started interviewing them and they
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  Speaker 2: were basically always the same, and it just knocked my
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  Speaker 2: socks off. I was like floored, and I just started
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  Speaker 2: getting really really excited about it. And so that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of been my passion. And back to what you're saying,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think the problem is, as you say
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  Speaker 2: said Julie, everyone wants their child to be successful and happy,
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  Speaker 2: and they think that for that to happen, they have
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  Speaker 2: to follow the path that worked when they were growing up.
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  Speaker 2: And as you said, it's a different world. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: it may work for some kids. You could have a
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  Speaker 2: kid who just wants to study science all day and
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  Speaker 2: as a straight a science student and wants to be
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  Speaker 2: a doctor. Great, but you may have a very different
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  Speaker 2: kind of kid, and you can't force that kid to
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  Speaker 2: be the kind of person you think they have to
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  Speaker 2: be if they want to be successful. You have to look,
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  Speaker 2: you have to pay attention, you have to watch them.
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  Speaker 2: You have to see what gives them joy, and then
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  Speaker 2: you can't say when they're doing the thing that gives
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  Speaker 2: them joy, Oh, stop spending so much time playing tennis,
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  Speaker 2: playing soccer, swimming, cooking, sewing, building things, writing music, acting, singing,
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  Speaker 2: answering whatever it is they're doing, and go study trigonometry
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  Speaker 2: because they don't need trigonometry.
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  Speaker 3: They need Yeah, they needed.
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  Speaker 2: To spend time doing what they have chosen and what
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  Speaker 2: they love, and they need to start working at it
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  Speaker 2: really really hard, and they need to develop you know,
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  Speaker 2: grit and focus and self confidence. And I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy to talk about that later, but it's just so
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  Speaker 2: important for parents to see what gives their child joy
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  Speaker 2: and then to support that.
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  Speaker 4: Right right, And you know, we've had such a move
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  Speaker 4: for a while in this country, a push towards stem
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  Speaker 4: and listen. I literally am the kid of a rocket scientist.
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  Speaker 4: If there was anybody who was preaching the STEM message.
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  Speaker 4: Before there was a STEM message, it was my dad.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he really wanted us to do well in
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  Speaker 4: the sciences, in math, all of that. And yet ironically,
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  Speaker 4: now we're in a situation, particularly with AI, just you know,
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  Speaker 4: moving so fast. I'm not saying that we don't need
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  Speaker 4: STEM anymore, but the guarantee that if you went into
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  Speaker 4: STEM it was going to mean some kind of career
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  Speaker 4: has definitely shifted. One of my adult children is a
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  Speaker 4: software engineer. She's phenomenal. Her husband also, and they're doing
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  Speaker 4: really exciting and cool stuff. But there's no denying that
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  Speaker 4: if she were starting that career today, it would look
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  Speaker 4: very different in terms of its early stages than it
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  Speaker 4: did when she actually got started.
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  Speaker 3: Just a decade ago. I mean, this is how.
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  Speaker 4: Fast things are moving. And I know that we want
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  Speaker 4: to have guaranteed systems and processes. So we think if
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  Speaker 4: we can put our kids into these degree programs, into
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  Speaker 4: that school, into this opportunity, that's going to resolve all
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  Speaker 4: of this and make it work. And yet with as
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  Speaker 4: quickly as things are moving, we actually need to be
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  Speaker 4: preparing them. If we're talking about the standardized job market,
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about having to prepare them for jobs that
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  Speaker 4: probably don't even exist yet. And there's also a mindset,
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  Speaker 4: Margo that I think is really interesting. What I loved
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  Speaker 4: is I was looking through your work these seventy different
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  Speaker 4: entrepreneurs that you interviewed to understand what their childhoods had
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  Speaker 4: been like with the messa they got was like, what
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  Speaker 4: kept bubbling up to me is that many of the
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  Speaker 4: qualities we want our kids to have, regardless whether they
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  Speaker 4: go what we might call a traditional path or whether
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  Speaker 4: they might go into something entrepreneurial, we want our kids
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  Speaker 4: to have grit and resilience and innovation in their lives.
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  Speaker 4: We want them to be able to think outside of
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  Speaker 4: the box, regardless of which path that is. And so
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  Speaker 4: to some degree, having an entrepreneurial mindset, even if you
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  Speaker 4: don't end up starting your own business or whatever, is
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  Speaker 4: still going to serve you incredibly well, in my book,
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  Speaker 4: because it carries with it these great qualities of really,
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  Speaker 4: you know, getting in there and trying hard and observing
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  Speaker 4: what's going on and being self aware. I mean, these
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  Speaker 4: are all fantastic little things that come off, you know,
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  Speaker 4: on the other side of things, regardless of which path.
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  Speaker 3: So what did you notice.
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  Speaker 4: In terms of I love that you found that moms
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  Speaker 4: were often so critical in what they were saying as
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  Speaker 4: part of the success of these entrepreneurs. What were some
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  Speaker 4: other things that you noticed in interviewing these seventy very
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  Speaker 4: diverse people who all seem to have kind of a
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  Speaker 4: similar experience that you thought, Wow, I just hadn't thought
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  Speaker 4: of that as part of a catalog of things that
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  Speaker 4: you'd want to have in place, or you'd want to
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  Speaker 4: develop when it comes to looking at a success beyond
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  Speaker 4: whatever our traditional models are right now.
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  Speaker 2: So there's so many things I want to say. Yeah, first,
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  Speaker 2: if I can jump back a minute to what you
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  Speaker 2: said a minute ago about even if they don't become entrepreneurs,
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  Speaker 2: they should have these entrepreneurial qualities. I think it's really
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  Speaker 2: important for parents to understand that you can't make your
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  Speaker 2: child an entrepreneur, right right. You can't make them an
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  Speaker 2: orchestra conductor, you can't make them a doctor. You have
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  Speaker 2: to see what they want to become. But as you said, Julie,
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  Speaker 2: you can make them more entrepreneurial so that whatever they
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  Speaker 2: do in their life, they will be better at it.
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  Speaker 2: And if I may be indulged, I have It's like
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  Speaker 2: my favorite paragraph in the book. I say, even if
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  Speaker 2: your child doesn't want to be an entrepreneur, encouraging them
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  Speaker 2: to become more entrepreneurial by promoting certain attitudes can only
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  Speaker 2: be a good thing. All children thrive if they learn
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  Speaker 2: to believe in themselves, to pursue their true passions, to
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  Speaker 2: find new ways to solve old problems, To see opportunity
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  Speaker 2: where others see the status quo. To be willing to
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  Speaker 2: take on a challenge without proper credentials, to work with
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  Speaker 2: single minded determination, to achieve a goal, To take on
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  Speaker 2: risk if the project is worth trying. To learn that
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  Speaker 2: building something wonderful is its own reward, regardless of how
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  Speaker 2: much money you make. To view failure as feedback and
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  Speaker 2: setbacks as learning experiences, and to dream big dreams.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I love every bit of that. That's amazing. I
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  Speaker 2: And so I think it's just very important for parents
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  Speaker 2: to have these attitudes, you know, when they're raising their kids.
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  Speaker 2: And every entrepreneur I've talked to had a passion outside
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  Speaker 2: of school when they were growing up, and in every case,
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  Speaker 2: although sometimes it took a big goal, in every case
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  Speaker 2: the parents supported that passion, like thirty forty percent of them.
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  Speaker 2: It was sports. Only one person that I've talked to
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  Speaker 2: became a professional athlete for a short time before becoming
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  Speaker 2: an entrepreneur. But and my older son, he was a
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  Speaker 2: tennis player, and he was actually honored by the tennis
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  Speaker 2: center where he had trained, and he said, everything I
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  Speaker 2: am today is because of tennis. I didn't really like school,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't work that hard. Tennis is where I learned
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  Speaker 2: grit and focus and determination and resilience and the payoff
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  Speaker 2: of hard work and how to deal with failure and
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  Speaker 2: how to pivot when things aren't going right. He said,
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  Speaker 2: all of the things that have made me success full
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  Speaker 2: in my entrepreneurial journey and so I just think it's
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  Speaker 2: so important for parents to understand that what their kids
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  Speaker 2: are doing not what your parents. What the parents are saying,
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  Speaker 2: do this, do this, do this, put this on your
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  Speaker 2: resume for you know, so you can get into a
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  Speaker 2: good school. Do this, do this, do this. But they're
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  Speaker 2: seeing what the kid enjoys doing, right, right, And then
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  Speaker 2: they're saying, oh, I'm one that you're working really hard
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  Speaker 2: at that. That's really good. Oh you failed, What did
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  Speaker 2: you learn from that? What would you do differently? Not
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  Speaker 2: that it's a mistake, you know, right, And we're so
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  Speaker 2: proud of you for the effort you're putting into that, right.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I found the very same thing to be true. I
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  Speaker 4: had several kids who danced, and I did end up
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  Speaker 4: with two professional dancers out of it. But I wrote
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  Speaker 4: in my first book, raising an Original, the thing is
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  Speaker 4: not the thing like it's probably not going to be
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  Speaker 4: dance or tennis. It's the thing you're getting out of it.
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  Speaker 4: And as I look at the schedules of parents today
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  Speaker 4: and just how in hence competitive sports are for kids
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  Speaker 4: or other activities, the thing I always encourage is, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, are you making the thing like the whole thing,
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  Speaker 4: or are there lessons aside from this that you're really
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  Speaker 4: focusing on, because I think that helps you really then
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  Speaker 4: adapt the schedule and how deep into this thing you're
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  Speaker 4: going to go, because if they are missing some of
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  Speaker 4: those lessons in chasing this pursuit, the statistics Honestly, Margo,
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  Speaker 4: you know this, they're not in your favor that your
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  Speaker 4: kid's going to become the professional athlete or the astronaut
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  Speaker 4: or whatever. That's not to say we don't believe in
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  Speaker 4: our kids and we don't want them to chase the
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  Speaker 4: things they're excited about. It's just to say, we need
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  Speaker 4: to make sure there are other lessons that are coming
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  Speaker 4: out of it that are going to feed Talk to
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  Speaker 4: me about the entrepreneurial landscape when it comes to some
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  Speaker 4: of the more traditional models we've looked at. You know,
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  Speaker 4: for example, back in the day when when my folks
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  Speaker 4: went to college, you went to college for a specific job,
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  Speaker 4: and when you got out of college, you interviewed for
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  Speaker 4: that specific job. By the time I went to college,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: it was already much more wide open. There were still
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: lanes that were specific. If you wanted to be a psychologist,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: you went through this course of study, but by that point,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: even in business it was much more broad, which was
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: a little bit discombobulating for second third generation college attendees
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: when their parents had had such a clear path on
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: what they were going to be doing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: What are you.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Seeing in terms of this collision of education and entrepreneurialism.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: How are they supporting each other? And how do we
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: sometimes have models that are a little bit defunct as
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: we look at where things are headed.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a couple different answers to that.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: One is that in this whole AI world, which nobody
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: really knows how it's.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know what that's going to all do.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think that among the skills you're going
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: to have to have are how to ask questions, how
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to know what's real, how to communicate, how to write,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: how to talk to people, to convince people, how to
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: give talks, you know, I mean, how to work with teams,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: how to lead a team, how to be part of
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: a team. I mean, all these things that are so
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: much more important than did you learn your trigonometry? Right?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: It's also this whole return to work thing. I mean,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I think kids have finally figured out that if they're
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: not in the office the first few years in their career.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: They're not going to get mentorship. They're not going to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: see how things are being done and be able to
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: come up with good ideas ab how things could be changed.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, so, I just think there's so much going on.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: And I mean, I can't tell you how many young
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: people I know they write these emails. I'm just yeah, God,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: did anyone ever teach you like these grammar rules? And
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, yeah, I knew that role. I guess
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I forgot it. I'm just okay, why not to judge
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: you too, Harshley, Ye never learned to write?
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: The soft skills piece of it is so mission critical
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: at this point. And I will say I think there
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: are areas that we did pretty good with our kids
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: in some of that, and then in some areas I
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: was a little too probably focused on math facts or whatever, spelling,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: you know, whatever. And because sometimes from my kids, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: will hear, well, if I don't get the degree in this,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: I'll never get to do X y Z. Or a
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: little bit of hesitancy sometimes around entrepreneurialism, as if corporate
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: were some kind of guarantee, which you and I both
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: know it's not. I mean, we've had the experience now
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: in our lives of seeing people pour out their lives
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: into a corporate situation and then it gets acquired, or
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: it gets sold, or the new manager comes in and
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: just takes everybody out, whatever the thing is. And so
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: sometimes there's this mythology that develops around, well, if you
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: go this corporate route, then you're guaranteed to have xyz position.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: And that is just not the landscape anymore.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Either, is it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: No guarantees anymore? Yeah, no guarantees. And you know, also
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: with the cost of education today, yeah, it's you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: my husband and I both have advanced degrees from fancy schools.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: My dad was a professor. I grew up in college towns.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I didn't know anyone who hadn't graduated from college. I mean,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: it just didn't occur to me that I could have
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a kid who didn't graduate from college. And my oldest son,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the one who started Summit, dropped out after two and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a half years, and you know, it's hard for parents.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I was giving a talk up at a Summit event
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and a dad came up to me afterwards and he said,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you know, can I talk to you I'm so distraught.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I haven't talked to my son in three weeks. He
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: started a stupid little company in his dorm room, and
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: he's just announced he's dropping out of college and he's
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: going to move home and work on his company. And
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I think he's ruining his life. And I'm so upset.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. And I called over
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: this then I knew had dropped out of college and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: made a gazillion dollars. I said, Craig, you have a
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: choice of hiring two people for your company. One of
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: them started a company in college, tried to make it
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: a go of it, worked on it a couple of years,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: decided it really wasn't the right thing and he needed
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to work in a big company and see how companies
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: really work. The other one stayed in college, wasn't particularly
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: motivated by any particular subject area, but did stay in
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: college and somehow graduated. Which one are you going to hire?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: And Craig, without blinking, said I'm going to hire the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: first one, and so are the other three hundred people
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in this room.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: The dad was just like, wow, oh gosh, thank you,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: like I had no idea, Like he thought his son
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: was ruining his life and he wasn't. And I just
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: think it's hard for parents. They don't mean to be awful,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: they just don't know. Right, No guarantees, right right, No guarantees.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And look, if you want to go to Wall Street, yes,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you have to go to a really good college, you
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: have to get really good grades. You have to get
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: into an even better school to get your MBA, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: you have to get really good grades, and then you
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: can go to you know, Merylin or Goldmen Sex or
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to you know, do whatever. But if
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: you want to become an entrepreneur, nobody cares.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they just want to see your results. They want
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: to see that you're in there, that you're serving whatever
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: it is that you've decided is a thing that you
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: have to offer, that you're doing that at a high
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: degree of excellence.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: But that's it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: Nobody's back there at checking out your GPA from you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: ten years ago.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: They don't care talk.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: To me about because you and are both big believers
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: and you know, encouraging our kids and the things that
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: they love and seeing if that's a laying potentially that
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: there is some kind of adjacent role that they might
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: want to play or a business they see that could develop.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: But we also know that there's potential heartbreak. You know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the one that says I want to do this thing
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: that's really hard to get into, and you know that
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: they're they're giving it a lot of heart, but you're
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: also having to be honest with yourself that the gap
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: between where their level is and where the other you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: where the base level is for let's say professional baseball
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: or you know, I'm not saying it has to be sports,
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: but whatever that is. How do we do that encouragement
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: without setting them up for heartbreak. I think this is
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: something that's hard for parents along the lines of the
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: guy that you met who.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Was like, my son's going to ruin his life if
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: he drops out of school.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: But there is a certain level of going, wow, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: don't want to unintentionally if you will, gaslight my kid.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I want them to know I believe in them, but
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: I don't want to not be fully honest and disclosing
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: about some of the challenges or the gaps that might
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: be there.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: How do we do that?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: First of all, they have to know that nobody's going
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: to get where they want to go in one smooth
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: path without some side steps and some fumbles and some
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: fall and you know, life is not like this. Yeah,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: life is like this, you know, and they have to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: be prepared, you know. If it didn't work the first time,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: do they want to try again? Well they do it differently?
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: What did they learn? You know, is this the right approach?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe they should try something different. I mean, maybe they
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: shouldn't try D one. Maybe they should try D three.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe they should maybe they should think of
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: a career coaching instead of you know, trying to I mean,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you have to look at at different options.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: We always told our younger son, who's the musician, who
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: was like, discovered songwriting when he was thirteen and wrote
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: three hundred songs before he graduated from high school.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: It was his life.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: And I said, you're incredibly talented. We have all the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: faith and belief in you and the world. It's hard
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: to make it as a pop star. And just so
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you know that, just so you have other things that
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: excite you, you know, writing movie scores, writing music for
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: other people, I mean, doing all sorts of other things
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: with music. I always knew he could get a career
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: in music if the performance part didn't work out. Happily.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: He's doing really well, but you know there have to
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: be you know, gee, I'm going to try this, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: if this doesn't work, I'm going to try this, and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: if this doesn't work, I'm going to try this. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: I mean my son actually he had a band, Magic Giant.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: They were you know, for about ten years. They were
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: doing really really well. Winter of twenty twenty, they were
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: on a forty city tour with like three to five
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: hundred people in every city who knew all the words
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: and were jumping up and down and singing along. Friday,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: March sixth, twenty twenty, they were on Good Morning America.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: They thought, finally, finally were there, you know, they were
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: going to get it, yeah, and wait three weeks and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: go out on their spring tour, and then Monday everything
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: shut down.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, crowded indoor or rooms for three
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: hundred people are going to be the last thing that
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: opens back up, right, And you know, now he started
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: a different band with his wife, a folk duo called
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Somewhere in Between, and it's just so much easier, you know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it's just the two of them. They don't have to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: pay you know, a fortune to bring a giant bus
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: with twelve people and a professional driver to you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: so you pivot.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's part of that entrepreneurial spirit,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: because here's the irony is we can say, well, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: we can get too attached to this traditional path of
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: going to send them to a trade school, are going
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: to send them to college, and they're going to get
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: this job and do this, this, this, But we can
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: actually do the same thing with some of the things
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: that seem a little more off road, like musicianship or
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: dance or whatever. The thing is that, oh no, if
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: you just do this and you're going to get guaranteed results.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: And of course, look at the story of your son.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, those things happen, and they happen inside corporate
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: and they happen within the entrepreneurial world. The thing that
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I think distinguished is that entrepreneurial spirit is that willingness
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: to go all right, new thing, I'm going to just
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: I know that I've got the ability to make a change,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: to make an adjustment, to see a different kind of
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: need and come up with a creative way to meet
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that need.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: And that's the part.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: That I want to make sure that I'm instilling within
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: my kids. I think that's so amazing. Tell me about
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: how as parents, on say your random average Tuesday, we
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: can be doing some things very practical, very tactical, that
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: help our kids think outside of the box when it
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: comes to what their future careers could look like. Because
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: so often we're focused on getting the homework done and
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: getting to soccer practice.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: But what are some of the.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Narratives that we need to begin infusing so our kids
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: even realize there are other possibilities out there.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how much I would start focusing
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: on careers when they're in high school. I mean just
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I would just more focus on on what they enjoy
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and maybe, you know, introduce them to different kinds of things.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But I think the important thing is to teach them
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to be curious, look at every situation, saying does it
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: have to be like this? Could I do it differently?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Could I make it better? Is there something I could change?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And you know, I just think and also maybe talk
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you know, to as many different people as you can.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so funny. We didn't even know
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: commercial real estate existed as a career.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean those you know, think about all the
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: people who have started into that, whether that's Airbnb or
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: they start building a portfolio of real estate. And nobody
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: was saying that at career Day. There wasn't a booth,
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: you know, career day about how to do something like that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I know, and I think, now, wow, I mean, I
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: probably would have loved to have, you know, done stuff
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: like that and put tried to recreate cities and put
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: buildings in different parts of cities. But I didn't even
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: occur to me that was a career option. And I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: just think it's it's also just good to kind of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: look at situations and ask yourself, could I do something differently?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Could I change something that One of the people in
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: my book that I just adored, Joel Holland, he was
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: in high school. He went to the career center and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: he looked at what was there for all the different
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: career options, and he thought this is really bad. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: so he wrote to a company and said, if I
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: can get interviews with the following twenty you know, CEOs
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: about what their what career would be like in their field,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: would you fund me? And they said, well, if you
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: can get interviews with those people, because they thought he
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: couldn't and he got interviews with all the people, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: so he started going around the country interviewing people so
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: that he could put together some you know, really more
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: interesting stuff for his school career center. And one of
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the people that he interviewed was Governor Schwarzenegger in California,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and he thought, you know, this should be a really
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: interesting interview, and it's so visually boring. Why can't I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: have a picture like of the Hollywood sign or something
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: behind it? And so then he looked into it and
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: discovered there was no easy way to get stock film
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: footage online. So then he started a company to get
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: stock film footage online. Yeah yeah, and he you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: is called Footage Firm. And he he went to Babson.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: He was majoring entrepreneurship. He was doing this little company
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: on the side. He was a senior and all his
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: friends were going to Wall Street and he was getting
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: these big job offers. And he said to his parents,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I think if I can get a job
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: offer now, I can get a job offer. In a
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: few years, I'm going to move home and work on
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: this company. And you know, eight years later he sold
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: half of it for ten million dollars or something. Got
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: an RV started driving around the country and thought, you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'm stuck staying in all these horrible RV parks when
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: there seem to be so many interesting places to stay,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like wineries and farms. Why can't we stay there?
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: So that was his next venture. Yeah, yeah, harvest hosts. Yeah.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: So the point is like, could a career person have said, well,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: you should look into a business in the stock footage area,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and then you should look into a business for our
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: V owners. No, it's just he was raised to be curious. Yeah,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: he was raised to look at situations and ask could
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I do something differently?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I love that. I think that's such an important question.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: My husband's a speaker and he actually has a keynote
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: that he does on cultivating curiosity in that way, and
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: it's so beautiful to hear it attached to this entrepreneurial experience.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm so thrilled for you.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: I want to encourage the listener to go check out
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: your book Raising an Entrepreneur, How to help your children
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: achieve their dreams? Margot, where's the best place for the
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: audience to go you and see all the great stuff
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: you're doing. And when you're watching on YouTube, you'll be
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: able to see the beautiful cover that she's got and
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: all the amazing stories.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: So where can the listener go to.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Find you and be able to get more of your
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: great resources.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: So you can go to my website Raising an Entrepreneur
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: dot com and there's links to the book, or you
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: can just go straight to my you know, to Amazon,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: make sure you get the second edition, which is called
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Raising an Entrepreneur How to help your children Achieve their Dreams.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I just want to leave with them because I know
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: this is mostly moms. I always tell moms they have
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: three choices in life. They can not work and feel guilty,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: they can work full time and feel guilty, and they
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: can work part time and feel guilty.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Truth so true, And in all of it, you know
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: where whatever mom's doing, you're doing good.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Mom, You're doing good, whatever that looks like.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: So raise an Entrepreneur, Raise an Original.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I love this so much.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Well, Margo, thank you so much for your time today
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: and for the time and care that you've taken to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: bring these stories together and to take a look and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: to reinforce for us and remind us as moms just
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: how important our encouragement, our love are. Modeling of curiosity
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: and our belief that our kids can do great things.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: How mission critical that is. Thank you so much for
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: both telling us that, reminding us of that, and encouraging
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: us to continue in that way.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Julie. I love the conversation and
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: it's so important.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Absolutely all right, listener, you know what to do.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Go find all of Margo's great stuff. Rebecca, We'll put
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: that in the show notes. That's assignment number one.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Go to those show notes.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Also, grab this link and share it with other people
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: in your life. That's one of the best thank yous
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