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CHARLIE KIRK ASSASSINATION: SUSPECT ARRESTED AFTER MASSIVE MANHUNT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace breaking news tonight.
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Speaker 2: The lone shooter, the assassin that gunned down thirty one
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Speaker 2: year old Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 1: With a high degree of certainty, we have him.
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Speaker 3: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
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Speaker 2: A massive manhunt.
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Speaker 4: The suspect was taken into custody at ten pm local time.
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Speaker 2: The assassin who gunned down a loving father of to
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Speaker 2: a husband.
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Speaker 4: The suspect was apprehended in historic time period.
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Speaker 1: Right custody in custody.
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Speaker 2: The assassin who guns down a father of two.
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Speaker 5: He is observed on video in a plane, maroon T
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Speaker 5: shirt like colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo,
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Speaker 5: and light colored shoes arriving on UVU campus in a
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Speaker 5: Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine.
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Speaker 1: A M.
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Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson. Robinson had become more political in recent years.
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Speaker 5: A second on fired casing read oh belichow, belichow, belichow
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Speaker 5: chow chow. And a third on.
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Speaker 1: Fired casey read if you read this you are gay.
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Speaker 2: His wife and two little children who will grow up
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Speaker 2: without daddy.
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Speaker 1: This is a.
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Speaker 5: Very sad day again for our country.
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Speaker 4: And I do know this is going to be a
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Speaker 4: federal Okay, So, and there's many of us believe that
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Speaker 4: Charlie was targeted because of this political ideology. Yeah, what's
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Speaker 4: going to happen to this guy?
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Speaker 6: Well, I hope it was going to be found guilty,
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Speaker 6: I would imagine, and I hope he.
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Speaker 1: Gets to death Federal Day.
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Speaker 5: On the evening of September eleventh, a family member of
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Speaker 5: Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend who contacted
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Speaker 5: the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had
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Speaker 5: confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.
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Speaker 5: This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office
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Speaker 5: and seen investigators at Utah Awi University. This information was
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Speaker 5: also conveyed to the FBI. Investigators reviewed additional video footage
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Speaker 5: from UVU surveillance and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus
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Speaker 5: in a Great Dodge Challenger at approximately eight twenty nine
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Speaker 5: am on September tenth, in which he is observed on
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Speaker 5: video in a Plaine maroon T shirt, light colored shorts,
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Speaker 5: a black hat with a white logo, and light colored shoes.
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Speaker 1: When encountered in.
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Speaker 5: Person by investigators in Washington County on September twelfth, in
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Speaker 5: the early morning hours, Robinson was observed in consistent clothing
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Speaker 5: with those surveillance images. Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson,
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Speaker 5: who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
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Speaker 5: The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson
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Speaker 5: came to dinner prior to September tenth, and in the
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Speaker 5: conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was
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Speaker 5: coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like
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Speaker 5: him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member
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Speaker 5: also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
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Speaker 5: The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.
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Speaker 5: Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators
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Speaker 5: interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,
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Speaker 5: made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would
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Speaker 5: show them the messages on discord. He opened it and
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Speaker 5: showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take
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Speaker 5: photos of the screen as each message was shown by
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Speaker 5: Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content
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Speaker 5: of messages between the phone contact named Tyler with an
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Speaker 5: emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these
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Speaker 5: messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a
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Speaker 5: need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving
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Speaker 5: the rifle in a book bush, messages related to visually
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Speaker 5: watching the area where a rifle was left, and a
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Speaker 5: message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
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Speaker 5: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention
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Speaker 5: of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from
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Speaker 5: the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.
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Speaker 5: I know there has been speculation as well as to
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Speaker 5: the writing on those casings, those bullet casings, and I
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Speaker 5: believe we have that as well, and I will share
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Speaker 5: that with you now. So, the area north of Campus
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Speaker 5: Drive Road where the suspect crossed over you saw some
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Speaker 5: of that in the video that we released last night,
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Speaker 5: consists of a grassy area with trees on the edge
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Speaker 5: of the UVU campus. Instigators discovered a bolt action rifle
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Speaker 5: wrapped in a dark colored towel. The rifle was determined
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Speaker 5: to be a Mauser Model ninety eight thirty yacht six
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Speaker 5: thirty six caliber bolt action rifle. The rifle had a
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Speaker 5: scope mounted on top of it. Investigators noted inscriptions that
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Speaker 5: had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions
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Speaker 5: on a fired casing read notices bulge's capital wo, What's
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Speaker 5: this question?
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Speaker 6: Mark.
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Speaker 5: Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read hey fascist, exclamation point,
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Speaker 5: catch exclamation point, up arrow symbol, right arrow and a
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Speaker 5: symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing
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Speaker 5: read oh bellichow bella chow bella chow chow chow. And
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Speaker 5: a third unfired casing read if you read this, you
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Speaker 5: are gay LMAO.
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Speaker 1: A little bit of the timeline.
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Speaker 4: Charlie was shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday.
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Speaker 4: The first FBI agents arrived on scene in sixteen minutes
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Speaker 4: with chiefs of Police at twelve thirty nine and secured
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Speaker 4: the scene. The FBI immediately launched fixed wing assets. We
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Speaker 4: utilized these assets to transport personnel specialty technicians Hasa's rescue teams.
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Speaker 4: We also utilize these assets to go back and forth
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Speaker 4: from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport
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Speaker 4: forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and
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Speaker 4: is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and
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Speaker 4: other laboratories, including the ATF. In my direction, the FBI
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Speaker 4: released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect
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Speaker 4: at ten am local time on nine to eleven. Then
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Speaker 4: shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 4: was released at ten forty five am Local myself and
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Speaker 4: Deputy Director Bondino arrived on the scene at approximately five
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Speaker 4: thirty PM on.
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Speaker 3: Nine to eleven.
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Speaker 4: The Governor led a press conference last night a proximate
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Speaker 4: eight pm, where in my direction, the FBI released a
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Speaker 4: never before seen video of the suspect. We also released
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Speaker 4: new images to the public of the suspect, and just
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Speaker 4: last night, the suspect was taken into custody at ten
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Speaker 4: pm Local time, in less than thirty six hours thirty
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Speaker 4: three to be precise, Thanks to the full weight of
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Speaker 4: the federal government and leading out with the partners here
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Speaker 4: in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, the suspect
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Speaker 4: was apprehended in historic time period.
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Speaker 1: Joining us today.
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Speaker 6: Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective sergeant, co host of gold
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Speaker 6: Shields podcast, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor at Jacksonville State University
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Speaker 6: and co host host of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 6: As we begin today shocking announcement, we already have a
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Speaker 6: suspect in custody, Tyler Robinson, a twenty two year old
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Speaker 6: Utah resident and a pent Carently he was turned in
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Speaker 6: or convinced to turn himself in by his father, who
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Speaker 6: is now being called the father of Justice, Matt Robinson.
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Speaker 6: Straight out to you, Joseph Scott Morgan. Ever since the
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Speaker 6: assassination of Charlie Kirk, there has been wide spread speculation
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Speaker 6: as to everything that took place that day, from the shot,
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Speaker 6: to security to what actually transpired. I want to start
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Speaker 6: with the shot. We have a man in custody, so
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Speaker 6: let's start with him on the roof allegedly shooting Charlie
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Speaker 6: Kirk from at least two hundred yards.
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Speaker 1: Is that still what we believe? Yeah?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, according to the reports that we're hearing, it sounds reasonable.
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Speaker 7: One of the interesting images that has emerged from the
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Speaker 7: inspection of that alleged sniper's nest, if we can call
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Speaker 7: it that, is that surface is on the roof is
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Speaker 7: actually a gravel surface, and there's an image that has
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Speaker 7: that has been released of evidence markers around an area
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Speaker 7: that is literally impressed into that gravel surface that gives
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Speaker 7: you the impression when you see it that someone had
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Speaker 7: laid there for a protracted period of time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Now, Okay, on the top of a roof, oftentimes we
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Speaker 6: have tar and other things like that. Would that gravel
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Speaker 6: making it a kind of uneven surface? Would that create
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Speaker 6: a problem for somebody that is laying down to get
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Speaker 6: the shot.
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't necessarily think so, particularly if they had any
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Speaker 7: knowledge of how of the weapon system that they're actually using,
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Speaker 7: and we don't know all of the details yet. He
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Speaker 7: may have brought something along to brace himself with. Keep
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Speaker 7: in mind, this kid actually had a backpack with him,
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Speaker 7: and in the military, I know from personal experience that
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Speaker 7: you're trained to use things particularly you're in a prone
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Speaker 7: position that can brace your position and that that can
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Speaker 7: steady can steady your site picture. It wouldn't surprise me
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Speaker 7: if that if the backpack that he had up there
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Speaker 7: with him may have been used for that purpose.
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Speaker 6: Okay, Dan Murphy, as a former detective sergeant, you're looking
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Speaker 6: at this from solving the crime, What is the first
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Speaker 6: step from the moment you learn that Charlie Kirk has
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Speaker 6: been shot, you don't know his condition. All you know
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Speaker 6: is we have a man shot. What is the first
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Speaker 6: thing you do when you start trying to solve the crime.
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Speaker 3: First, you have to preserve the scene. The crime scene
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Speaker 3: is of paramount importance because that is going to live
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Speaker 3: with you for the remainder of this case. What you grab,
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Speaker 3: what you don't grab is vital. The second is witnesses,
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Speaker 3: eyewitnesses grabbing any and everybody that's on the scene that
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Speaker 3: may have seen something. Today in today's world, we want
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Speaker 3: to see cell phone coverage, cameras, everyone that was there
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Speaker 3: who has a cell phone, a shot, any footage, bring
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Speaker 3: it in and it's all potential evidence. We want to
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Speaker 3: look around at cameras, surveillance cameras that are part of
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Speaker 3: the campus. We want to look at everything we can
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Speaker 3: look at who is parked in the parking lot. This
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Speaker 3: is a tremendous job that needs to be done by
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Speaker 3: a lot of people, but it's vital that those steps
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Speaker 3: begin immediately.
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Speaker 6: You know, we did find out a number of things
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Speaker 6: as as we're doing this program. This is still a
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Speaker 6: breaking news story. It is evolving. We had We started
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Speaker 6: the day with President Donald Trump on Fox News announcing
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Speaker 6: that ninety nine percent sure we had the shooter in custody,
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Speaker 6: the alleged shooter. One of the things that we've been
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Speaker 6: trying to figure out is who is this person who
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Speaker 6: would have shot Charlie Kirk. You know, he founded Turning
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Speaker 6: Point back in twenty twelve, and he has been.
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Speaker 1: The subject of I don't know how to actually.
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Speaker 6: Phrase this, but you know, he's outspoken, conservative Christian man
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Speaker 6: and he's been labeled a hater by those on the left,
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Speaker 6: just the way we lived today. But as you're trying
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Speaker 6: to figure out who is the shooter, we saw a
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Speaker 6: guy that looked like to be sixty years old in
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Speaker 6: short pants, you know, balding. We saw him in custody
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Speaker 6: briefly by police because he's you know, talking about I
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Speaker 6: do it again. We also had rumors that it was
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Speaker 6: a thirty year old man, that it was not a
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Speaker 6: college student. And what turns out to be the shooter
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Speaker 6: or the alleged shooter, is actually twenty two years old.
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Speaker 6: Is this something that either of you would expect as
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Speaker 6: we move forward. Would you have started by thinking this
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Speaker 6: is a college age person, or would you have thought
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Speaker 6: somebody older would have been involved in the shooting.
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Speaker 3: I would say you never never want to theorize as
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Speaker 3: to who you suspect is until your evidence points you're there.
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Speaker 3: That's a capital mistake to make, and people do it
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Speaker 3: all the time, and the media loves to jump because
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Speaker 3: we want to assign an identity to somebody. But the
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Speaker 3: fact of the matter is, you go with the evidence
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Speaker 3: lead you, and if it turns out to be somebody
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Speaker 3: who's older or younger, that's fine. Worry about what narrative
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Speaker 3: it can fit later, but you look for the truth.
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Speaker 6: You follow the evidence absolutely, Okay, Now, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 6: we saw the shot. We saw Charlie Kirk sitting under
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Speaker 6: the tent. I want to point something out. You know,
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Speaker 6: before the shooting took place, there were about three thousand
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Speaker 6: paid that attended the event. Charlie Kirk was under a tent,
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Speaker 6: you know that he was sitting under, but there were
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Speaker 6: people fairly close to him right up front. Then there
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Speaker 6: was a walkway area in the grass of probably twelve
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Speaker 6: feet I'm guessing, and then more people situated directly behind that.
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Speaker 6: And before the event actually got started, before he actually
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Speaker 6: was giving a speech.
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Speaker 1: He was engaging with the audience.
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Speaker 6: He was throwing hats and other things to the audience,
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Speaker 6: getting them kind of excited and pumped up before he spoke,
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Speaker 6: and then before he grabbed the mic to give a speech,
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Speaker 6: he actually was doing Q and A with the audience
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Speaker 6: and had them had two microphone set up and had
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Speaker 6: people going to either mic so they could actually begin
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Speaker 6: this speech by talking about things, by actually getting into
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Speaker 6: a discussion. So he's a minute and a half into
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Speaker 6: this as he's sitting down in the tent before he
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Speaker 6: starts his speech, he's still answering questions from the crowd
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Speaker 6: when the shot rang out. We I say we all
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Speaker 6: saw it. Most of us have seen the video because
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Speaker 6: it was released on social media within seconds. It wasn't
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Speaker 6: like the Zuppruiter film where we waited, you know, where
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Speaker 6: we didn't have anything for hours and then years later.
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Speaker 1: This was immediate.
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Speaker 6: And there are probably plenty of people who got shots
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Speaker 6: of that assassination that still have not posted it online.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the Saint Dallas nineteen sixty three. You know you're
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Speaker 7: going to have multiple povs here because, let's face itk
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Speaker 7: him or hate him, he's a media figure. He is
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Speaker 7: he was magnetic, and people want those kinds of images.
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Speaker 7: It's the world that we live in today. So you know,
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Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty degrees probably three hundred and sixty
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Speaker 7: degrees in his orbit. There there were people videotaping. One
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Speaker 7: of the things that I think that those that are
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Speaker 7: going to be canvassing the area and talking to folks,
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Speaker 7: they're going to want to collect those images, particularly those
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Speaker 7: I think one of the more intriguing images that you
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Speaker 7: would want is something that is more to Charlie's rear
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Speaker 7: looking back to where the shooter is. I think that
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Speaker 7: we've had one of those or two of those that
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Speaker 7: have leaked out. Trust me, there's more, and you know
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Speaker 7: that's not even counting. Like CCTV. I work at a university, guys.
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Speaker 7: I got to tell you, I can literally step out
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Speaker 7: of the door of my building here at jack State
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Speaker 7: onto the quad and immediately I've got cameras all around
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Speaker 7: me that are observing me. If you're going to try
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Speaker 7: to pull something like this off and try to remain anonymous,
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Speaker 7: bad choice, because there is so much video evidence on
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Speaker 7: a campus that they can pull it in seconds. Dollars
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Speaker 7: to donuts, I guarantee you that the state police, probably
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Speaker 7: the locals, and certainly the Feds. They descended on the
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Speaker 7: security area there that controls all of the cameras. They
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Speaker 7: have that data. Trust me not to mention everything else
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Speaker 7: that's peripheral to that parking lots. We've heard a lot
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Speaker 7: about ring cams. Oh wow, Yeah, all of the cases
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Speaker 7: that we cover with Nancy. It seems like in the
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Speaker 7: last two years, ring cams come into play, don't they.
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Speaker 1: They're everywhere you know.
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Speaker 7: As well, And it's just it's just that the area
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Speaker 7: where this happened on a university campus is so tightly monitored,
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Speaker 7: and a lot of it has to do with student safety. Yeah,
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Speaker 7: bad choice, bad area to select if you're trying to
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Speaker 7: remain anonymous.
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Speaker 6: Now, Dan Hampton background in New York as a detective sergeant. Look,
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Speaker 6: when we started breaking this story down beyond the shooting,
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Speaker 6: because that was just shocking, and I want to come
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Speaker 6: back to that in just a minute, Joe about what
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Speaker 6: that actual what shooting actually did.
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Speaker 1: But first we've got a shoot her that.
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Speaker 6: I'm going to say. The police were leaking information. It
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Speaker 6: looked like they were chumming the water. They were baiting
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Speaker 6: with pictures and things like that to try to get
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Speaker 6: information from the public. Is that a common thing to
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Speaker 6: expect it? Did police really use the media in that way?
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Speaker 3: Dan, Absolutely, It can be your best friend, it could
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Speaker 3: be your worst enemy. But more often than your best friend,
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Speaker 3: when you distribute pictures to the media and the public
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Speaker 3: sees that, you have a far increased chance of getting
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Speaker 3: your person identified in a case like this. It was
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Speaker 3: a smart move to do. And we see that his
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Speaker 3: alleged discussion with his family where he put himself at
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Speaker 3: the scene having done it. At least that's what we're
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Speaker 3: told that may have come as a result of all
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Speaker 3: the pressure involved because he couldn't hide it from them.
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Speaker 3: He's sitting on the news, that's me he had to
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Speaker 3: give it up. I think it was a smart move
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Speaker 3: and it's done commonly.
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Speaker 6: And one of the things we saw Fox had video
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Speaker 6: of police he's taking down a camera over a garage,
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Speaker 6: which I found fascinating because we had neighbors from the
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Speaker 6: neighborhood when he allegedly made he shoots and then he's
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Speaker 6: off the building and there is actually video showing him jumping.
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Speaker 6: Then we see him limping as he's walking through backyards.
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Speaker 6: Because they were getting calls and from residents saying, Hey,
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Speaker 6: I got a video of a guy running through the backyards,
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Speaker 6: So I'm going to assume that he hurt himself jumping
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Speaker 6: off the building as far as he had to jump,
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Speaker 6: and he's limping through the backyards. He ditched the bolt
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Speaker 6: action rifle on his escape route. Is that something that
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Speaker 6: you would expect? Did he drop it?
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Speaker 1: What do you think? Why do you think we have
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Speaker 1: that gun?
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Speaker 3: Well, he's got a distance that weapon from himself. Personally,
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Speaker 3: he can't be found with that weapon on him. It's
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Speaker 3: too incriminating. So he didn't want to leave it up
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Speaker 3: on the roof. He took it with him and he
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Speaker 3: figured it he would gain some time by ditching it.
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Speaker 3: Very common guns are thrown in lakes, rivers, off bridges
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Speaker 3: all the time, just to get rid of the evidence
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Speaker 3: as much as possible. Seated it in a very haphazard way.
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Speaker 3: This is not a career criminal or a professional assassin.
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Speaker 3: This is a young kid who had the intention of
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Speaker 3: doing this, but didn't really think out the steps afterwards
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Speaker 3: as much as he thought he would. As far as
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Speaker 3: as far as jumping off the roof is concerned. One
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Speaker 3: of the things I would do as soon as I
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Speaker 3: saw any video footage of that. You check all area
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Speaker 3: hospitals and clinics that somebody come in with a broken ankle,
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Speaker 3: hurt leg. That's going to be one of your investigators.
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Speaker 6: Who's in the fourth theater jumping from this in the balcony,
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Speaker 6: you know, breaks his leg. So now we've got a
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Speaker 6: suspect in custody. As this is a breaking story. The
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Speaker 6: man who allegedly shot Charlie Kirk twenty two year old
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Speaker 6: Utah resident Tyler Robinson. And by the way, guys, this
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Speaker 6: guy's not an idiot. Tyler Robinson actually had an academic
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Speaker 6: scholarship to Logan, which is also a college in Utah.
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Speaker 6: He attended the college campus where he was, but only
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Speaker 6: for one semester. He's one of these really smart guys,
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Speaker 6: but at twenty two, has not achieved a whole lot.
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Speaker 6: I think that'll be something that we get Bethany on
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Speaker 6: to talk about. But there were multiple photos taken of
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Speaker 6: him that have been released. We've got him in custody
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Speaker 6: turning himself in. We found out that he there keeps
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Speaker 6: saying he did it, but allegedly somebody wrote on the
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Speaker 6: shell casings a number of different inscriptions.
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Speaker 1: Governor Utah.
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Speaker 6: Governor Spencer Cox actually listed out some of the things
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Speaker 6: that were written on one of the shellcasings. Hey, fascist catch.
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Speaker 6: I would encourage people to actually go look up your
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Speaker 6: definitions of what a fascist is and free speech and
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Speaker 6: those wonderful things we experienced here in the United States
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Speaker 6: of America and realize that a lot of us grew up. Hey,
20:48
Speaker 6: just do your own thing, you know, live and let
20:51
Speaker 6: you live that. We're not at that point anymore.
20:54
Speaker 1: Now.
20:54
Speaker 6: We're at this point where if if you disagree with
20:56
Speaker 6: what I say, I deserve to die.
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Speaker 1: And that's not us, that's not who we are. We've
21:02
Speaker 1: got to stop this. Charlie Kirk spoke from the heart.
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Speaker 6: He spoke for years trying to get people to think
21:09
Speaker 6: deeper and to be honest with you.
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Speaker 1: It was that that led to his death.
21:14
Speaker 6: People don't want him to share what he thinks because
21:16
Speaker 6: they don't like it. And I'm telling you, we've got
21:18
Speaker 6: to actually get some leaders that will talk about this
21:21
Speaker 6: openly and honestly instead of burying it.
21:23
Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 6: Other words written on the shellcasings guys, oh bella chow
21:29
Speaker 6: bella chow bella chow chow chow that's from an Italian
21:35
Speaker 6: song dedicated to the resistance during World War Two. Another
21:39
Speaker 6: one was if you this is actually meant as a joke. Okay,
21:43
Speaker 6: if you read this, you are gay lmao. Another one
21:48
Speaker 6: notices bulges, Oh woh, what's this? Granted, I'm old and crazy,
21:56
Speaker 6: Get off my long guy.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: What o wo means means, but it's part of an
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Speaker 6: internet meme that circulated I guess seven years.
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Speaker 1: Ago or so.
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Speaker 6: But these things written on shellcasings? Is that also something
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Speaker 6: that is common in a shooting of this nature.
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Speaker 1: I have not seen it.
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Speaker 3: I know in high profile cases recently it seems to
22:21
Speaker 3: be a trend, but I have not seen it in
22:22
Speaker 3: my career.
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Speaker 6: Now, Joe, back to the shooting when Charlie Kirk was shot,
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Speaker 6: because a lot of us did see it before it
22:32
Speaker 6: was blurred. I'm still shocked, amazed and saddened that we
22:37
Speaker 6: saw this because normally we don't. Normally it's as it
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Speaker 6: is now if you actually find a version of it online,
22:43
Speaker 6: it's going to be blurred. What did you see in
22:47
Speaker 6: terms of the shot hitting Charlie Kirk?
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Speaker 7: Well, from my perspective when I was watching and I
22:55
Speaker 7: watched one that was sent to me that was kind
22:58
Speaker 7: of enhanced a bit, and the shot was tighter. These
23:03
Speaker 7: physiological responses that you see as he has struck and
23:10
Speaker 7: part of it. Also, I think that many people that
23:12
Speaker 7: follow your crime and that hear us talk about these
23:15
Speaker 7: sorts of things, they don't appreciate the horror many times
23:18
Speaker 7: that's involved in an event like this. How shocking it
23:21
Speaker 7: is not obviously, I mean obviously to the victim, but
23:26
Speaker 7: also those that are surrounding him. In this particular case,
23:30
Speaker 7: if you go to the left, to the left of
23:33
Speaker 7: the mid line of the neck, this is where literally
23:36
Speaker 7: the entrance is right up above the collar line. It
23:39
Speaker 7: appeared to me you've got just a copious amount of
23:45
Speaker 7: blood that immediately begins to issue forth from him. It's
23:50
Speaker 7: been speculated, and I include myself in that group, that
23:55
Speaker 7: there's high probability that it nicked probably Juggler as well
24:01
Speaker 7: as perhaps the carotid, given the amount of blood. Remember,
24:06
Speaker 7: these are blood supplies and returns for the brain, and
24:09
Speaker 7: the brain is the most vascular organ in the body.
24:13
Speaker 7: It requires a lot to function.
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Speaker 6: Would Charlie Kirk have been aware of what was going
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Speaker 6: on after that shot?
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Speaker 7: That's hard to say, that's almost an unanswerable question. I
24:27
Speaker 7: do know this that if you had seen this image
24:33
Speaker 7: he draws, you can see him drawing his right hand
24:38
Speaker 7: up and the thumb appears to be clutched. This is
24:41
Speaker 7: a neuromuscular response to neurotrauma. You'll see it with the
24:48
Speaker 7: actually the brain, the brain stem and as well as
24:51
Speaker 7: the spinal cord. All you got to do is watch
24:53
Speaker 7: a football game and you'll see people that get their
24:57
Speaker 7: bell rung. They'll fall to the ground and it almost
25:00
Speaker 7: looks like a seizure, and then of course he topples
25:03
Speaker 7: over to his left and begins to bleed out there.
25:07
Speaker 7: I think there's a high probability that death was probably
25:12
Speaker 7: pretty quick at this point in time. You know. I
25:16
Speaker 7: talked to Nancy the other day and I said, you know,
25:18
Speaker 7: even if you'd had a group of vascular surgeons standing
25:21
Speaker 7: right there with him, this is so traumatic that I
25:26
Speaker 7: don't I think that it probably would have been unsurvivable
25:29
Speaker 7: based upon what I've seen over the years and the
25:31
Speaker 7: morgues and you know, and its scenes and that sort
25:34
Speaker 7: of thing.
25:34
Speaker 6: And please remember a game as we talk about the
25:37
Speaker 6: assassination of Charlie Cook Kirk This is a father of two,
25:42
Speaker 6: had a little girl, little boy, wife Erica.
25:47
Speaker 1: This is not us. This is not the best of us.
25:49
Speaker 6: We We've got to do more to stop this from happening.
25:52
Speaker 6: We can have an exchange of ideas, friends and disagree
25:56
Speaker 6: and move forward with this is just not us. So Dan,
25:59
Speaker 6: I want to go thank you for a minute. As
26:01
Speaker 6: the investigation starts getting now, it doesn't stop after the arrest.
26:06
Speaker 6: This is like the beginning part of the investigation, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so much work going on behind the scenes
26:12
Speaker 3: right now and has been going on since the initial event.
26:16
Speaker 3: Search warrants are being conducted at his residence, in his
26:19
Speaker 3: car at many places. The actual owner of the weapon
26:23
Speaker 3: is probably, no doubt, sitting in the police station right
26:25
Speaker 3: now being interviewed as to how that weapon got into
26:27
Speaker 3: this guy's hands if he's not the owner. They are
26:31
Speaker 3: retracing steps. They are watching video footage, as doctor Scott
26:35
Speaker 3: said before, not just of the cameras on the campus,
26:38
Speaker 3: but anything that might have been a trail that led
26:40
Speaker 3: him to the scene. They're reviewing his credit card and
26:43
Speaker 3: debit card statements. Where did he make purchases, what did
26:45
Speaker 3: he do recently, where has he been looking at his
26:48
Speaker 3: text messages. There is so much work going on and
26:51
Speaker 3: so many witnesses are being interviewed to make a very complete,
26:54
Speaker 3: very large package that is the investigation that will be
26:57
Speaker 3: the case that will be presented to a injury and
27:00
Speaker 3: ultimately to a jury. There's a lot of work and
27:03
Speaker 3: it's all very important and right now I know there's
27:05
Speaker 3: a lot of boots on the ground in that area
27:07
Speaker 3: doing that work and in other places too. This is
27:10
Speaker 3: a massive investigation now.
27:12
Speaker 6: One thing that we knew from the very beginning was
27:14
Speaker 6: that we had a footprint, we had a palm print,
27:18
Speaker 6: and possibly a forearm print. I want to stick with
27:22
Speaker 6: the two that I'm actually familiar with, the footprint and
27:24
Speaker 6: the palm print. Joseph Scott Morgan, you actually were talking
27:28
Speaker 6: to me the other day about a palm print. We
27:30
Speaker 6: have a national database of palm prints, just like we
27:34
Speaker 6: do fingerprints, correct.
27:36
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we I mean, what will happen is on
27:39
Speaker 7: a fingerprint card when somebody's rolled up and they're taken
27:44
Speaker 7: into jail, you'll get a series of prints inked prints
27:50
Speaker 7: in the past, I'm assuming that they can digitize these
27:54
Speaker 7: as well, and traditionally you'll get an entirety of a print,
27:58
Speaker 7: it will encompass this. But here here's the rub. If
28:02
Speaker 7: this kid has never been hooked up on charges in
28:05
Speaker 7: the past, guess what, He's not going to be in
28:07
Speaker 7: that database. So you know that that turns into kind
28:12
Speaker 7: of a dead end. I was really fascinated, I think
28:15
Speaker 7: by them talking about talking about a forearm that's not
28:21
Speaker 7: something that you know is normally printed, no, And I
28:26
Speaker 7: think that that probably goes to some surface that he's
28:29
Speaker 7: applying pressure to at that point. And we you know,
28:33
Speaker 7: we excrete sweat and we excrete oil every day as
28:38
Speaker 7: a matter of fact. That's we don't have fingerprints on
28:40
Speaker 7: the tips of our fingers. We have friction ridges we
28:43
Speaker 7: leave behind fingerprints, and so the same thing would apply
28:47
Speaker 7: with kind of if your skin is greasy, you lay
28:49
Speaker 7: it on a surface like this. What I'm wondering about,
28:53
Speaker 7: is this going to be a spot where you can
28:55
Speaker 7: harvest contact contact biological specimens from I'm thinking probably it
29:04
Speaker 7: would be evidence rich in the sense that there would
29:06
Speaker 7: be sweat, there would be oil that's you know, coming
29:11
Speaker 7: out of the body. And also is there any partial
29:14
Speaker 7: DNA you know, where you've got trace evidence of DNA
29:19
Speaker 7: that's degraded skin cells sloughing off. I think that's important.
29:23
Speaker 7: One other thing I'd love to bring you back to
29:26
Speaker 7: is going to be these cartridges. You know, there's a
29:30
Speaker 7: group of people that we forget about in forensics many times,
29:32
Speaker 7: and that's question documents. They can get exemplars from this
29:37
Speaker 7: guy relative to what is written on the shell casings,
29:41
Speaker 7: and they can give you an idea if this, if
29:44
Speaker 7: this has origins from his actual hand, how you know,
29:49
Speaker 7: and were they engraved or were they written, you know,
29:52
Speaker 7: because we don't know at this point.
29:53
Speaker 6: Well we've heard the term engraved, and my first thought
29:57
Speaker 6: was did they have a diamond tip thing putting it
29:59
Speaker 6: on there? Or was that just an expression of using
30:02
Speaker 6: a sharpie?
30:03
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly. So again back to Dan's point, this investigation
30:09
Speaker 7: is so layered and so very intense that we're not
30:16
Speaker 7: going to have all of this data at one time.
30:19
Speaker 7: Don't expect it. As a matter of fact, I would
30:21
Speaker 7: probably after this period of time, I would imagine we'll
30:25
Speaker 7: see a lessening of information that's being released because they're
30:29
Speaker 7: trying to put together a packet at this point, Tom
30:31
Speaker 7: to bring this guy up on charges, and it's like
30:34
Speaker 7: playing poker man, you're not going to show your hand.
30:37
Speaker 7: I know the public wants the information. You'll hear things
30:40
Speaker 7: from peripheries, but I would imagine that the authorities are
30:44
Speaker 7: probably going to shut it down pretty quickly relative to
30:47
Speaker 7: how much data is going to be coming out, because
30:49
Speaker 7: they're going to be putting together a case. This is
30:52
Speaker 7: where this begins.
30:53
Speaker 6: At this point, I don't expect Tyler Robinson to be
30:57
Speaker 6: the end of the investigation in terms of an arrest Dan.
31:01
Speaker 6: What are the chances that he was working with others.
31:04
Speaker 3: I think anything's on the table right now is a possibility.
31:07
Speaker 3: Given what we know. We know he is, we believe
31:10
Speaker 3: him to be the shooter. We have no idea who
31:13
Speaker 3: he has been in contact with, who has helped him
31:15
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form make this happen, what
31:18
Speaker 3: his motivating factors were, who maybe supplied the weapons, supplied
31:22
Speaker 3: the money. There can be other people involved. He might
31:25
Speaker 3: be belonged to some group that we haven't heard about yet.
31:29
Speaker 3: These are all things that are going to come out
31:31
Speaker 3: at some point, and they may come out at trial.
31:33
Speaker 3: But if there are more arrests, of course there'll be
31:36
Speaker 3: more releases of information about why those persons are arrested,
31:38
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't guess, I wouldn't venture. I guess either way.
31:42
Speaker 3: It's right now. It's entirely see where the evidence takes you.
31:45
Speaker 3: But they have only begun to dive into his world,
31:48
Speaker 3: meaning his electronic and his social media world, which is
31:51
Speaker 3: going to speak volumes about who he is.
31:54
Speaker 6: I appreciate you guys taking the time today to join
31:56
Speaker 6: as Dan Murphy and Joseph Scott Morgan, and big thanks
31:59
Speaker 6: to all of you. We will continue to follow this case.
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Speaker 6: I'm Dave mac for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace