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The Intel With Greg Cosell: Tape Eval Of NFL Draft Cornerback Prospects · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Intel with Greg Cosell. On
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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds, I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan, and
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Speaker 1: of course we have Greg Cosell, and we are starting
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Speaker 1: to wind down this long series previewing NFL draft prospects.
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Speaker 1: We are down to the secondary. We're gonna go through
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Speaker 1: cornerbacks NFL Draft prospect cornerbacks in this episode. And I
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Speaker 1: always love cornerbacks, Greg, because I love what happens in
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Speaker 1: the draft because after the first two or three go
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Speaker 1: in the first round, it's kind of like for those
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Speaker 1: who play fantasy baseball closers, right, everybody, Oh yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I gotta get one. I gotta It's the one position
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Speaker 1: where I do feel like teams really it becomes a run.
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Speaker 1: Once the first few go off the board.
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Speaker 2: You you never have enough. That's the problem, that's right,
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Speaker 2: Because the killer too for teams is if one of
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Speaker 2: their top two or three because obviously with the nickel
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Speaker 2: gets hurt and you have to go deep into your
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Speaker 2: depth chart. Man, that can really hurt your past defense.
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Speaker 2: Because you know how coaches are. They will tell you
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Speaker 2: that if they don't feel comfortable on the back end,
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Speaker 2: that changes everything about the way they play, so you know,
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Speaker 2: you never just like there's certain positions you always hear.
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Speaker 2: You know, you never have enough pass rushers, you never
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Speaker 2: have enough corners. So those are the positions on defense
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Speaker 2: you always hear about.
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Speaker 1: It's a great point. There's really not any other position,
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Speaker 1: right Adam, where you have to play three in most
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Speaker 1: of your offense, or you're playing three guys at that position.
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Speaker 1: If vic Fanzio can allow us for this one episode
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Speaker 1: to nichols and outside corners together and just call them cornerbacks,
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Speaker 1: you're most teams are starting three seventy percent. There's no
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Speaker 1: other position where you do no wide receiver. But I
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Speaker 1: would think that you know, in this league you really
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Speaker 1: need three really good un a cornerback to where you
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Speaker 1: can a wide receiver.
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Speaker 2: You need three guys could play the outside.
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Speaker 3: So the lines, for example, they were playing a Nickel's
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Speaker 3: really not a corner outside because they ran out of players.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't Greg was.
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Speaker 3: Alluding to this, if you don't have three corners, guys
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Speaker 3: who play on the outside.
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Speaker 2: Can't You can't win, You can't they they have to
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Speaker 2: be quality.
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Speaker 3: And this is you know when we I know we
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Speaker 3: do a lot of Eagles talk obviously, but inside the
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Speaker 3: Birds when when when they knew that Ringo could not
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Speaker 3: play in terms of getting on the field. He's a
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Speaker 3: great special teams player, but there was no trust between
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Speaker 3: the coaches. I'm sure putting him out there that leaves
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Speaker 3: you in a bind if you were depending on him.
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Speaker 3: Like remember he was supposed to compete, which he did
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Speaker 3: against Jerry Jackson.
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Speaker 2: Then it was not only over. They wouldn't even let
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Speaker 2: him come in for Jackson.
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Speaker 1: Right, that really limits you. Yeah, you don't want that.
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Speaker 1: It's a very very, very important position, Greg. Let's start
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Speaker 1: off with a guy out of LSU, which is a
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Speaker 1: cornerback factory.
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Speaker 2: Uh, and we'll go.
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Speaker 1: I believe it's Mansor Delaney, right, is it Delaney Laine Dalaney,
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Speaker 1: Mansoor Dlane?
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Speaker 2: I know it's Mansur. Yeah. He. I really enjoy watching
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Speaker 2: this guy play. I mean I knew nothing about him.
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Speaker 2: He was a transfer from Virginia Tech, so I did
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Speaker 2: not see him the previous summer, so watching him at
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Speaker 2: LSU is really my first exposure to him. This guy
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Speaker 2: just made the position look easy. He's he's you wouldn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily say he's sudden and twitchy, but he's at the
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Speaker 2: highest level of smooth and fluid, and he certainly can
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Speaker 2: burst from off coverage. He's very loose in the way
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Speaker 2: in which he moves. One thing I really liked about him,
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Speaker 2: and I know coaches will love this, is he's a
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Speaker 2: very physical player on the outside in terms of tackling.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's competitive. There's a toughness to him.
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Speaker 2: He actually had meant something to him, you could see
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Speaker 2: because the way he tackled so to me. You know, again,
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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily make a list, as you guys know,
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Speaker 2: but I would probably say that he's my was my
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Speaker 2: favorite corner prospect on film. I thought he was smooth
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Speaker 2: and fluid as any corner in this class. In fact,
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Speaker 2: I thought he played even longer than his height when
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Speaker 2: I first started watching him. And I can't remember if
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Speaker 2: I looked up his numbers before I started watching him.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I did, because I remember watching him
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Speaker 2: and then seeing he was five eleven and three quarters
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Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, he plays he looks like he's
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Speaker 2: six' to, one you, know so he just plays like
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Speaker 2: a longer.
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Speaker 3: Corner, yeah the term is playing bigger than your listed.
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Speaker 3: Side that's always a good. Thing greg he'd a groin.
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Speaker 3: Injury PRETTY i, mean he had it for most of the.
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Speaker 3: Season could you notice that when you're WATCHING i could.
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Speaker 2: NOT i MEAN i, THOUGHT i just, AGAIN i didn't
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Speaker 2: even know, that to be honest with, you WHILE i
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Speaker 2: was watching, him and he's just you, KNOW i hate
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Speaker 2: to say this because it's never this, way but there
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Speaker 2: were times that just looked. Effortless the way in which he. Moved,
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Speaker 2: WOW i MEAN i really liked the way he. Played you.
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Speaker 1: Know the interesting thing about, Him, greg and he's probably
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Speaker 1: the top. CORNERBACK i, mean he's one of the top,
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Speaker 1: cornerbacks if. Not the number is That usually a guy
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Speaker 1: with that high rating also blows you away, athletically you,
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Speaker 1: know with the. Testing but in this, case you have
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Speaker 1: a guy who tested, fine there's nothing, Wrong but like you,
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Speaker 1: said he doesn't nothing about his testing was, like oh my,
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Speaker 1: god this is the greatest athlete. Ever but that's a
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Speaker 1: petition where you usually see that with the top top.
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Speaker 2: Guys, WELL i, think If i'm not, mistaken didn't he
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Speaker 2: run under a four to forward his pro? DAY i
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Speaker 2: know he did not run at the. COMBINE i think
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Speaker 2: his testing numbers were certainly perfectly fine and better than.
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Speaker 2: Fine but, yeah he just he plays smooth yet. Fast
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Speaker 2: it's like the Old john wouldn't be, quick but don't,
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Speaker 2: hurry you. Know he just everything about him looks smooth
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Speaker 2: and comfortable and. Easy and LIKE i, said, well he's
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Speaker 2: not necessarily, suddenly you. Know but but And i'm not
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Speaker 2: in necessarily comparing him To Patrick's cirtan at, all Because
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Speaker 2: sirtan is a bigger player and totally different and you,
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Speaker 2: know arguably one of the two or three best corners
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Speaker 2: in THE, nfl if not the. Best But shirtan's another.
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Speaker 2: GUY i remember watching him coming, out and everything looked,
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Speaker 2: comfortable you. Know it never looked like he was exerting
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Speaker 2: a lot of energy to play the which obviously he,
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Speaker 2: is you. Know and uh. Uh in, FACT i remember
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Speaker 2: WHEN i used to interview all the quarterbacks at The
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Speaker 2: Quarterback challenge one hundred years, ago And Steve young said to,
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Speaker 2: me the best compliment you could ever get was if
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Speaker 2: someone said to you that you make it look, easy
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Speaker 2: because he says it's really, hard you. Know and uh
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Speaker 2: And Mansor delaney just he it just looked, effortless you.
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Speaker 2: Know SO i just really liked his tape four and
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Speaker 2: four three Eight by the. Way, yeah so he, well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: uh next.
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Speaker 3: Guy, NOW i know he didn't play last, season But
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Speaker 3: treman McCoy greg when AND i know you've seen him
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Speaker 3: before when he was, healthy what.
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Speaker 2: Did it take look like to? YOU i was so,
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Speaker 2: happy you, know WHEN i found out that he got
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Speaker 2: hurt THAT i actually watched him last summer in details
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Speaker 2: BECAUSE i was, thinking oh, man that MEANS i would
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Speaker 2: have to go. Back BUT i watched numerous games last,
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Speaker 2: summer So i've done. Him he's he's another really good.
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Speaker 2: Player he's, longer he's six.' one obviously he didn't. DO
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Speaker 2: it i don't think he. Did anything did he do
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Speaker 2: It A pro day? This? Year, OH look i. DON'T
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Speaker 2: think i know he didn't do anything At the combine
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Speaker 2: would surprise PEOPLE because i think he. Was HEALTHY but
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Speaker 2: i think he's another really. Good prospect i'm sure some
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Speaker 2: people have him as their number, one corner WHICH again
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Speaker 2: i don't get caught up. In that that's fine if.
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Speaker 2: You do you know he's. Right there, the size, you know. He's,
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Speaker 2: longer again one of the things you really look for
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Speaker 2: when you study and valuate corners because you're going to
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Speaker 2: have to do it in. The league somewhere along the
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Speaker 2: line is you're gonna have to play man coverage and
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Speaker 2: you're gonna have to play pressman somewhere along. The LINE
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Speaker 2: and i thought he was very good both in mirror
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Speaker 2: match pressman and in physical. Press man he's another guy that.
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Speaker 2: Moves easily he's got really good. Hip flexibility he did
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Speaker 2: a great job of staying in phase with the receiver throughout.
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Speaker 2: The route he has the play speedy. VERTICAL routes i
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Speaker 2: thought he was also really good in, zone coverage and
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Speaker 2: that's something that you really have to study carefully because
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Speaker 2: you have to try to get a feel for what
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Speaker 2: he's asked to do for the, route concepts and sometimes
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Speaker 2: you don't know. For SURE but i thought he played
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Speaker 2: with really good eyes. IN zone i thought he had
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Speaker 2: a really strong sense of the conflict areas and the
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Speaker 2: stress points and, zone coverage which you have to have
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Speaker 2: an understanding of his zone because there are. Stress points,
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Speaker 2: You know we've talked about this. Many, times obviously if
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Speaker 2: there were no stress points, in zone everybody would play the.
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Speaker 2: Same zone there are stress points in, every zone and
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Speaker 2: the coaches. Know that they try to minimize it with
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Speaker 2: how they teach their players and of course you want
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Speaker 2: your corners to have an understanding in that.
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Speaker 3: As well he ran a fourth to. Three eighth he
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Speaker 3: did Run after prota four. Three eight that's, really there.
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Speaker 2: You go so speed's not.
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Speaker 1: An issue and by, the way we don't talk about
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Speaker 1: this a whole lot Outside, of linemen where we talk
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Speaker 1: about it More. Of lineman but for a corner seventy seven,
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Speaker 1: inch winspan that's. PRETTY good, i mean we're not It's
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Speaker 1: not reek wall and but that's very very freak Of nature.
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Speaker 1: Riquel one but seventy seven weeks man for a guy
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Speaker 1: who's right around the fat is good and helps With those.
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Speaker 2: These, TWO guys, i mean, LOOK again i don't put
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Speaker 2: a lot of stock in mock drafts and all that stuff,
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Speaker 2: and rankings but these two guys seem to be one
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Speaker 2: and two in most, people's books, You know, so yeah whatever,
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Speaker 2: it is you, know again they're both going to be
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Speaker 2: drafted in the top unless people are concerned about. McCoy's
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Speaker 2: KNEE and i don't, you know they do all. Their rechecks,
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Speaker 2: you know. We're not i'm not privy. TO that i
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Speaker 2: don't think you guys. Are either with all the rechecks
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Speaker 2: teams do but, You know i'm pretty sure they'll both
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Speaker 2: go in the top fifteen or eighteen just because. They're
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Speaker 2: corners it's a. Premium.
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Speaker 1: Position sure and how about his teammate McCoy A Tennessee.
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Speaker 2: Colton, Hood yeah i've studied him in detail. As well
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Speaker 2: he's he's a good. Prospect too it's it's an. INTERESTING quot, i.
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Speaker 2: Mean corners you know you made this point, To, start
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Speaker 2: jeff and you're one thousand. Percent right, you know if
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Speaker 2: corners start to go and all of, a sudden three
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Speaker 2: or four go in the top twenty to, twenty two,
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Speaker 2: you know teams are going to, start, thinking, oh man
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Speaker 2: if we, need corners we better start jumping. In here.
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Speaker 2: You Know so hood's an. Interesting guy he actually initially
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Speaker 2: came Out of georgia as a four. Star recruit he Started,
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Speaker 2: at auburn then he Went to colorado for one season
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Speaker 2: and then came back and Played. For tennessee now he's
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Speaker 2: not quite, as fast just in terms of. Pure speed
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Speaker 2: he's almost, six feet. Good size his vertical. Was phenomenal,
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Speaker 2: YOU know i felt watching him that he really played
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Speaker 2: with so much more passion in, press coverage and he
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Speaker 2: did something that you, rarely SEE but i think. It
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Speaker 2: was he obviously has tremendous confidence in his ability because
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Speaker 2: he would literally wait in. Press man he would literally
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Speaker 2: wait for the receiver to truly declare and take a
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Speaker 2: step or two before he. Even reacted so he clearly
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Speaker 2: had confidence that he was not going to get beat
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Speaker 2: over the top and he and he. REALLY didn't, i
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Speaker 2: mean he showed the speed to match and run with
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Speaker 2: vertical routes even though it was. Forty two time was not,
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Speaker 2: you know IT was i think four four four at.
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Speaker 2: The combine not that, that's bad, but it's, you know
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Speaker 2: not under. Four four so, you know he's he's another
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Speaker 2: he's he's a. Good prospect Now he's there are times
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Speaker 2: in off COVERAGE where i thought he was a, Little
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Speaker 2: upright and when guys, are upright what that does is
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Speaker 2: it impacts their transition and change the direction and their
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Speaker 2: ability to plant and drive on routes in front. Of
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Speaker 2: them there were times he was too grabby, and, handsy
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Speaker 2: which by, the way is a common thing for college
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Speaker 2: corners because in college you're allowed to do that and
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Speaker 2: IN the nfl we know. You're not so a lot
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Speaker 2: of college corners that has to be sort of coached
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Speaker 2: out of them because, in college, you know you guys
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Speaker 2: SEE ithf, i know you watch a ton of. College
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Speaker 2: football you see a lot of corners they kind, of grab,
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Speaker 2: you know and it's, not called, you know because you're
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Speaker 2: allowed to. Do it so you got to get get
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Speaker 2: that habit out of. Your system IN. The nfl.
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Speaker 3: Next guy is another guy who's going to go in the,
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Speaker 3: first round ALTHOUGH hood i think you can make it
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Speaker 3: in the back of the. First Round But, Avion, terrell
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Speaker 3: greg what are your thought?
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Speaker 2: On him At A, clemson yeah there was so much
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Speaker 2: talk About Av on terrell because of, YOU know i
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Speaker 2: guess he ran a, bad forty but then they said
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Speaker 2: he had. A hamstring he doesn't, PLAY slow, i mean,
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Speaker 2: you know so, to, ME again i don't know if,
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Speaker 2: that's relevant you know. AT all i don't know exactly what.
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Speaker 2: That means, You know terrell's a. Little interesting, you know
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Speaker 2: he's five, or eleven he's one. Eighty six he's a
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Speaker 2: little lighter THAN you'd i probably ideally like it'll be
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Speaker 2: interesting to me how teams. See him will they see
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Speaker 2: him as an, outside, corner which by, the way there
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Speaker 2: are outside corners if you're if they're really good or.
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Speaker 2: THAT size, i mean you look at Someone Like, denzel
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Speaker 2: ward who was the fourth pick in, the DRAFT who
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Speaker 2: i remember reading a Quote By, JIM schwartz i think
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Speaker 2: this year where he said he's the best outside corner he's.
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Speaker 2: Ever Coached And jim schwartz has been doing it a.
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Speaker 2: Long Time So, denzel ward, you know is probably one
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five Pounds and terrell was one eighty
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Speaker 2: six at, The combine so it's not as if he
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Speaker 2: couldn't play on, the outside. YOU know I think i
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Speaker 2: think that no matter what is forty. TIME is i
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Speaker 2: think that he's quick and sudden and and that's different,
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Speaker 2: than running, you know than, long speed. You know and
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Speaker 2: what they asked him to do quite a bit is
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Speaker 2: they asked him to basically play zero man, a lot,
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Speaker 2: you know because with the difference in this size where
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Speaker 2: the hash marks are, in college a lot of times
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Speaker 2: if you have that single receiver to the boundary, in
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Speaker 2: college because the wide side of the field is, so
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Speaker 2: wide they'll take the boundary safety and he basically cheats
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Speaker 2: all the way over to the white side of, the
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Speaker 2: field and that boundary corner basically plays. Zero man and
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Speaker 2: that's what they did with him. A lot now he's.
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Speaker 2: Another guy he's got high level toughness, and physicality both
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Speaker 2: as a cover corners as a perimeter. Run defender he's
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Speaker 2: he's aggressive in the way. He play you like the way,
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Speaker 2: he Plays so i'll be, Very CURIOUS like, I, said
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Speaker 2: will will he be seen as an outside corner or a,
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Speaker 2: slot CORNER but i think he can. Play outside so
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Speaker 2: his brother IS a J. Trel, yep correct, nice who by,
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Speaker 2: the way who's a really good. Pressman?
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Speaker 1: Corner interesting, All right greig the next guy we wanted
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Speaker 1: to ask, you ABOUT and i don't know if enough
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Speaker 1: people are really talking about. This kid we were fortunate
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Speaker 1: to have him on. Our platform Andrew di checho did
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Speaker 1: a great interview, with him and he came off, as
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Speaker 1: intelligent passionate about football and a real understanding of responsibilities
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Speaker 1: and zone and. Man quarters and that's the Kid From
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Speaker 1: San Diego. State christians he plays.
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Speaker 2: That way and it's interesting that you said that about
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Speaker 2: him talking about, the game because he's a really solid outside.
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Speaker 2: CORNER prospect, i mean, you know he's over, six feet
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Speaker 2: he's one, ninety three really good feel. IN zone i
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Speaker 2: thought he was really good reading the quarterback and the
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Speaker 2: route concepts just really good sense. Of that. You, know
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Speaker 2: obviously there was just the BEST way i would describe
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Speaker 2: the way In which johnson played was he just seemed
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Speaker 2: very controlled, and calculating and based on what you, Just,
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Speaker 2: said jeff it sounds like that's the way he talked about. The,
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Speaker 2: Game okay, but yeah he's he's probably not quite at
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Speaker 2: the level of the top guys because he's not quite
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Speaker 2: as explosive in. His movements he's much more sort of,
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Speaker 2: you know methodical. AND measured, i mean he's not slower or,
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Speaker 2: plotting obviously but he's just not as quite as as
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Speaker 2: sudden in his movements as some of these. Top GUYS
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Speaker 2: but i would bet you get him in a system
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Speaker 2: where they mix a lot of zone, and man you
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Speaker 2: know it's a. COMBINATION system i would bet he'll be
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Speaker 2: a very, good player and it would not surprise me
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Speaker 2: if He's a day, one starter because he's so just
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Speaker 2: the way, he plays, there's JUST like, i said the
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Speaker 2: control and. The calculation, YOU know i keep trying to
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Speaker 2: think of, other words like, you know sat words here,
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Speaker 2: besides that but that's just the way. He plays he's
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Speaker 2: a very. Comfortable.
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Speaker 4: Player yeah and by, the way he's such a good
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Speaker 4: job good super.
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Speaker 2: Aggressive too that's the. Other thing he will tackle and
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Speaker 2: he's physical and you can tell he embraces that part of.
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Speaker 1: The game he did such a good job of, sort of,
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Speaker 1: you know in a, layman's terms breaking down responsibilities that
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Speaker 1: he had in a, quarters coverage which we talk about
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Speaker 1: all the Time With vic fangio's defense and how the
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Speaker 1: picture constantly changes after the snap and you have to
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Speaker 1: be on, your keys and he. DID it i COULD
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Speaker 1: just i Could see vic really loving an interview with
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Speaker 1: this guy because he already knows what kind Of things
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Speaker 1: vic wants. To do and there's a lot of acolytes,
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Speaker 1: out there.
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Speaker 2: No question and by, the way they played a much
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Speaker 2: higher percentage of his zone than Man At San, diego
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Speaker 2: state so he has a ton of experience playing. Zone
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Speaker 2: coverage the.
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Speaker 3: Next guy greg figures to be drafted just Past. Christ
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Speaker 3: Johnson That's keith Abney From.
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Speaker 2: Arizona. State yeah, you know. It's funny, you know there's.
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Speaker 2: Always corners as, we know it's like, wide receivers there's,
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Speaker 2: always corners there's always. Wide Receivers So, keith abney he's
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Speaker 2: he's another guy now again he's under five ten ways one.
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Speaker 2: Eighty seven so the question for ME when i, watched
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Speaker 2: HIM and i kind of liked the way he played.
17:00
Speaker 2: Another guy, you know so many of these corners, this
17:02
Speaker 2: YEAR and i don't know if college coaches have changed
17:05
Speaker 2: the way they, coach stuff but so many of these
17:07
Speaker 2: guys are really aggressive and willing and violent as factors
17:10
Speaker 2: and run support And and abney's another guy. Like that
17:14
Speaker 2: but the thing that came to my mind watching his
17:16
Speaker 2: tape was whether he would be projected as an outside
17:18
Speaker 2: corner or slot corner given his lack of length and top.
17:22
Speaker 2: End speed so, you know his arms are not, very
17:25
Speaker 2: long and then these are factors for corners, as well by, the,
17:28
Speaker 2: Way guys so, YOU know i my sense Is maybe
17:34
Speaker 2: i'll be wrong that people will will evaluate him more
17:37
Speaker 2: as a, slot corner given, you know some of those
17:40
Speaker 2: limitations on. The outside his tape, was strong, he can he,
17:44
Speaker 2: played press he. Played ZONE but i think he's. A
17:47
Speaker 2: slot that's why he goes in the third or fourth round.
17:51
Speaker 2: Of It, but.
17:52
Speaker 3: Scott that a lot of people. Know, About yeah so,
17:54
Speaker 3: it's good, all right, Next one.
17:56
Speaker 1: All, Right greg THIS guy i couldn't help watching him
17:59
Speaker 1: throw the college. FOOTBALL playoffs i couldn't help but watch
18:02
Speaker 1: the way he played and Think About sheldon brown, a
18:05
Speaker 1: little The old eagle's corner who wasn't the, tallest guy
18:08
Speaker 1: wasn't the, greatest athlete but will, hit you we'll, tackle
18:11
Speaker 1: you and was. So smart he always deflected a lot
18:13
Speaker 1: of passes because he could. Read routes but just Watching
18:15
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Ponds from indiana and, HIS physicality I just. I
18:20
Speaker 1: was i was an admirer. Of him what'd you think of?
18:22
Speaker 1: His tape there's.
18:24
Speaker 2: Only one Discussion about ponds and that's what do you
18:27
Speaker 2: think of the five eight and five EIGHT five a and?
18:30
Speaker 2: Five eights that's the. Only discussion because he's a really,
18:34
Speaker 2: good player really. Good player, you know, he's sudden, he's twitchy. He's,
18:39
Speaker 2: competitive obviously does not have size. Or length his vertical
18:44
Speaker 2: is ridiculous though it was forty three and. A half but,
18:48
Speaker 2: you know there's nothing not to like about the way
18:52
Speaker 2: in which. HE plays, i mean, YOU know i hate To,
18:55
Speaker 2: speak lschede but he does play bigger than. His size,
18:59
Speaker 2: you know he had a lot of people talk about
19:01
Speaker 2: the matchup he Had With jeremiah smith where he had
19:04
Speaker 2: some good plays and he got beat on, some plays,
19:06
Speaker 2: you know but but he matched up to him. At
19:07
Speaker 2: times but he was he was their, boundary corner.
19:12
Speaker 1: You know he.
19:12
Speaker 2: He did not match up to players unless they came
19:17
Speaker 2: to his side of. The field he was the. Boundary
19:19
Speaker 2: corner he's certainly got enough speed to run with. Vertical routes,
19:23
Speaker 2: you know you start thinking. OF guys, i mean you
19:25
Speaker 2: think of SOMEONE Like dj reid who's played in the
19:27
Speaker 2: league at outside corner and been, pretty solid and he's five.
19:31
Speaker 2: To nine this goes back years and the game's changed to.
19:35
Speaker 2: Some degree but you Think Of, aaron glenn, who was,
19:38
Speaker 2: you Know An all pro and he was five. To
19:39
Speaker 2: nine so it all depends with him on how you
19:43
Speaker 2: want to deal with the five eight and five. Five eighths,
19:46
Speaker 2: YOU know i love when, people, say well if he
19:48
Speaker 2: was six feet he'd be the, first court but. He's not.
19:51
Speaker 1: YOU know, I mean.
19:55
Speaker 2: I think i can say this on a podcast that's,
19:57
Speaker 2: on YouTube but it reminds me of some thing my
20:00
Speaker 2: father always used. To say, you know he always, just say,
20:02
Speaker 2: you know if the queen, had balls would be, the king,
20:04
Speaker 2: YOU know, I mean, i mean he's he's not six feet,
20:08
Speaker 2: you know he's five eight and. FIVE days, i, mean
20:12
Speaker 2: yeah he's a really. Good player you know what.
20:14
Speaker 3: It's going to be a problem with with defensive. Back
20:17
Speaker 3: coaches the tape, is fantastic. It's great you like everything.
20:21
Speaker 3: About him but the, Arm length greg is twenty nine.
20:24
Speaker 3: Three eights that is.
20:25
Speaker 2: REALLY small, i, know no it's THAT'S why, I, said
20:28
Speaker 2: adam that's the. Only discussion because he's a really, good
20:31
Speaker 2: player and he's a swagger guy and an attitude guy
20:35
Speaker 2: and all those. Good things but, you know and he
20:37
Speaker 2: and he can cover well by the way he, can
20:39
Speaker 2: cover it's not like he.
20:40
Speaker 3: CAN'T cover i think IT gets i still think he
20:43
Speaker 3: can go late in the second round because he's. That
20:45
Speaker 3: good his taking. That good you're not going to make him.
20:48
Speaker 3: Any taller, you know nothing you can do. About it
20:51
Speaker 3: but that's the. Only negative it's a. Big negative but
20:54
Speaker 3: everything else. Is, FANTASTIC jeff i WAS just i was trying.
20:58
Speaker 1: TO think, I mean greg Brought. UP arenglyn i was
20:59
Speaker 1: trying to think of a modern got a comp a
21:02
Speaker 1: guy who's playing on the outside, that yeah that's a.
21:06
Speaker 1: Good one that's a. Good one and he's a good
21:07
Speaker 1: corner when. He's healthy he's a, good corner.
21:09
Speaker 2: A corner he hasn't been.
21:11
Speaker 4: A nickel he's been. A, corner yeah he's been an.
21:12
Speaker 4: Outside corner, yeah, Right RIGHT and i did. SHORT change
21:16
Speaker 4: i mean his athleticism is. Really GOOD when i Said The,
21:18
Speaker 4: SHELDON brown, i said, you know at more of an
21:20
Speaker 4: intimidator and a real player than.
21:22
Speaker 1: An athlete but he's A.
21:23
Speaker 2: Very, yeah, Well No sheldon brown is a good good
21:25
Speaker 2: example in the sense of, the toughness, the, physicality right,
21:29
Speaker 2: you know the chips on, your, shoulder, LIKE hey i
21:32
Speaker 2: don't Care that, i'm smaller, You know i'm still gonna
21:34
Speaker 2: kick your you know what? You, know yeah the angel is. Like.
21:37
Speaker 1: That, yeah when by, the way when you watch tape
21:40
Speaker 1: and a team makes THE because i know you like
21:42
Speaker 1: to watch five or, six games but if a team
21:44
Speaker 1: is specifically playing in the college, football playoffs.
21:48
Speaker 2: And every playoff game, for, sure.
21:50
Speaker 1: Okay, GOOD yeah i mean he was he was.
21:51
Speaker 2: TOUGH man i Watched, EVERY yeah i watch a cut
21:54
Speaker 2: for guys, LIKE that i watch like two or three
21:57
Speaker 2: games during the season and then every obviously they played four.
22:00
Speaker 2: PLAYOFF games i watched them.
22:01
Speaker 3: All, right okay. Good stuff the next Guy. IS brandon
22:06
Speaker 3: i think that's how you pronounce It From. South carolina you.
22:08
Speaker 1: Were just afraid to, say Sissy weren't you didn't want
22:10
Speaker 1: to call.
22:11
Speaker 2: It sissy but, you, know again, You know i'm looking at.
22:17
Speaker 3: Pronouncation guy so.
22:20
Speaker 2: He's. A, frenchman, yeah yeah this guy is really. REALLY
22:25
Speaker 2: athletic i think he's got work to do to become
22:29
Speaker 2: a a, you know a really, good PLAYER because i
22:32
Speaker 2: think that AND again i hate to use the over
22:34
Speaker 2: used cliche where he's got to work on. His technique,
22:37
Speaker 2: you know but this guy is really, really athletic high.
22:41
Speaker 2: Level athlete could be the best pure athlete of, the
22:44
Speaker 2: corners just just as. An athlete but you know that
22:50
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you're a. Great player and even with his,
22:52
Speaker 2: great athleticism there were times where he was just a
22:55
Speaker 2: little sticky and segmented in his transitions where he took
22:58
Speaker 2: extra steps and there were snaps in mirror match press
23:02
Speaker 2: man where he took false steps and then of course
23:05
Speaker 2: that negatively impacts your ability to recover. And transition there
23:10
Speaker 2: were times he lost contact with. The receiver, you know
23:13
Speaker 2: there were just too many little flaws in his game
23:16
Speaker 2: that need to be. Cleaned up, But again i'm not
23:20
Speaker 2: a corner coach OR a. dB coach i don't know
23:22
Speaker 2: if a corner coach looks at him, and, SAYS hey
23:24
Speaker 2: i can fix that in one training camp or. YOU
23:26
Speaker 2: know i don't know the answer to. That question but
23:29
Speaker 2: the guy is. Really athletic he's an.
23:31
Speaker 1: Explosive athlete, All, Right greg we're gonna now get into
23:36
Speaker 1: the part of the this part of where you're not
23:40
Speaker 1: sure if a guy is an, outside corner, a nickel.
23:42
Speaker 1: A safety a guy Like Trade on Stuke's from arizona
23:47
Speaker 1: is kind of getting. LOOKED at i know he's had
23:49
Speaker 1: a visit With the. Eagles something he might be. A Safety,
23:53
Speaker 1: summer nickel where are you at with?
23:55
Speaker 2: HIS tape, i, mean ultimately first, OF all i love
23:58
Speaker 2: the way the. Guy plays he's he's a really. Fun
24:00
Speaker 2: watch and the way they Played. At arizona he played,
24:03
Speaker 2: slot corner he. Played safety he always lined up to
24:07
Speaker 2: the wide side of. THE field i guess it depends on.
24:11
Speaker 2: YOUR team i could a team Like the eagles look
24:13
Speaker 2: at him as a safety in their quarters cut. They could,
24:17
Speaker 2: TO me i see him as a, Slot corner but
24:20
Speaker 2: that Doesn't mean i'm right by the way this guy
24:23
Speaker 2: ran a four to, Three, three yes exactly, FIVE eighths,
24:26
Speaker 2: i mean and his vertical was. Thirty eight, you know
24:29
Speaker 2: his broad jump. WAS great i really like the. FOOTBALL
24:33
Speaker 2: player i have a lot of really positive strengths in.
24:36
Speaker 2: My notes, he's physical he's, high energy. HE'S relentless i
24:42
Speaker 2: think he can play man to man against. Slot RECEIVERS
24:46
Speaker 2: so I guess i see him as a. Slot CORNER
24:49
Speaker 2: but i would not surprise me if, certain teams particularly
24:52
Speaker 2: teams that play a lot of, you know cover four
24:55
Speaker 2: quarters as, their foundation it would not surprise me if
24:58
Speaker 2: they would see him as. A safety when you.
25:00
Speaker 3: See when you see the, forty times does he play to?
25:02
Speaker 1: That? Speed yes.
25:03
Speaker 2: He DOES and i even made a note. OF that
25:06
Speaker 2: i said he played to. His, speed, yes, wow right.
25:11
Speaker 2: That's's important I'm usually.
25:12
Speaker 1: I'm good i'm usually good. At This but i'm trying
25:14
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25:19
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Speaker 2: AND up, i, mean yeah in, some ways he COULD
26:24
Speaker 2: be I. Mean stukes From everything i've, heard too he's
26:28
Speaker 2: one of those kinds of young. Men too that's really
26:31
Speaker 2: you're gonna. Really like like, you Said the eagles brought, Him.
26:34
Speaker 1: In yeah he was had a visit.
26:36
Speaker 2: With, them, YEAH yes i mean that doesn't. Surprise me
26:39
Speaker 2: FROM everything i Heard. About stokes, you know And again
26:42
Speaker 2: i'm not saying he's A first you never know, that stuff,
26:45
Speaker 2: you KNOW or i don't know. THAT stuff i guess
26:47
Speaker 2: everybody else knows. THAT stuff i don't know. That, stuff well.
26:50
Speaker 1: These guys are typically day two because they may not.
26:52
Speaker 1: Be right because you, have to as you as you like,
26:55
Speaker 1: to say you have to kind of have. A plan
26:58
Speaker 1: yeah you're going. To do it's not. An automatic just
27:00
Speaker 1: start him here and you're gonna Five Six.
27:02
Speaker 2: Pro bowls. You, Know, no no if you if You,
27:05
Speaker 2: draft stokes you're drafting him with the idea that he's
27:07
Speaker 2: either a slot corner for me or he's. A safety
27:10
Speaker 2: you're not drafting him, and saying well we'll see, what, Happens, Right,
27:14
Speaker 2: yeah no you have a plan.
27:15
Speaker 4: For.
27:15
Speaker 1: Him. Yeah Yeah the rams love, these kinds, you know
27:17
Speaker 1: With Their quinton lakes and with their who they trade for?
27:20
Speaker 1: My careery right and then, they.
27:21
Speaker 2: Yeah And quinton lake is, you know you could almost
27:23
Speaker 2: argue that that that's, You Know quinton lake, you know
27:27
Speaker 2: plays safety in their base and then moves to slot
27:30
Speaker 2: corner and there in their in their. Sub packages so,
27:32
Speaker 2: you Know could stukes eventually be? That guy, you know
27:35
Speaker 2: he could well be depending on team.
27:37
Speaker 3: And, Scheme, well greg the next guy is another one
27:42
Speaker 3: where we'll see where he, lines up maybe. More corner
27:44
Speaker 3: we'll See What's kante Scott.
27:45
Speaker 2: Of, miami yeah he's. Another guy you know. He was
27:50
Speaker 2: he was an interesting Watch because miami played a high
27:53
Speaker 2: high percentage of zone and you didn't see him play
27:56
Speaker 2: a lot. Of. Man now he's certainly athletic enough to
27:59
Speaker 2: play MAN and i know he ran really well at
28:01
Speaker 2: his pro day and that got. Everybody excited and he's a.
28:04
Speaker 2: FUN watch, i mean he's. Very aggressive you love his.
28:08
Speaker 2: Playing personality he plays. The run he played. Slot obviously
28:12
Speaker 2: it's just so people Know, with miami he's very aggressive
28:16
Speaker 2: as a. Run defender he's a really good blitzer from,
28:19
Speaker 2: the slot great, closing speed really good. Pursuit player, you
28:24
Speaker 2: know often looked like he could turn it up. Another
28:26
Speaker 2: gear there was a physical component to. His game he
28:29
Speaker 2: saw that in his. Run defense every you really like about.
28:35
Speaker 2: This kid there's everything you really like. About him you
28:37
Speaker 2: just didn't see him play a lot of man. Coverage
28:39
Speaker 2: NOW like, i said he's athletic enough to, do that
28:42
Speaker 2: you just didn't. See it i've also seen reports that
28:45
Speaker 2: some people view him as a potential. Safety prospect, SO
28:49
Speaker 2: again i guess it's how you, see him, you know
28:52
Speaker 2: within the context of his traits and. Your defense, all
28:57
Speaker 2: right are.
28:58
Speaker 1: There any corners or nick that we did not know
29:01
Speaker 1: all about that you wanted.
29:02
Speaker 2: To mention i've been on this KICK since i watched,
29:05
Speaker 2: this guy and he doesn't seem to be. Talked about
29:07
Speaker 2: So maybe i'm, dead Wrong but i'm just going BY
29:10
Speaker 2: what i saw, on Tape and i'm. Very curious there's
29:13
Speaker 2: a Corner from Florida Named. DEVIN moore i don't know if,
29:16
Speaker 2: you guys are you aware. Of him he's over, six
29:19
Speaker 2: three he's one. Ninety eight he didn't, run, great okay,
29:22
Speaker 2: he said and then maybe that's one of. The reasons but,
29:24
Speaker 2: you know there's not a lot of six three. Plus
29:26
Speaker 2: CORNERS and i thought he was really intriguing. Watching him he's, got, size.
29:31
Speaker 2: LENGTH fluidity i liked, his mentality. You, know again he
29:35
Speaker 2: ran a four, or FIVE but i didn't feel like
29:38
Speaker 2: he was getting beaten over. The top now maybe he
29:41
Speaker 2: would AT the, nfl level that's something you have, to
29:43
Speaker 2: DECIDE but i really. LIKED him i thought he could
29:48
Speaker 2: carry receivers vertically IN, the sec and THAT'S, the sec,
29:51
Speaker 2: you know the best conference in. The country so just
29:55
Speaker 2: A guy i found really really Interesting and i'm really
29:58
Speaker 2: curious to see where he. Goes In maybe i'm dead
30:00
Speaker 2: wrong and he's a sixth. Round, pick maybe, you know
30:03
Speaker 2: once the draft, plays out he goes, you know late
30:06
Speaker 2: on day two and, it's, like OKAY but I just
30:09
Speaker 2: i was really intrigued by.
30:10
Speaker 1: His tape, all right, it's tough. Thank you. All right
30:14
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for the look at the corners
30:16
Speaker 1: in the twenty TWENTY Six. Nfl draft many of those
30:18
Speaker 1: guys will be off the board, very early so make
30:21
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