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  Speaker 1: I am out of sorts because before anybody at me,
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  Speaker 1: I got sick at the back end of last week,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to state that before anybody yells at
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  Speaker 1: me or anybody is disappointed. That's got me out of sorts.
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  Speaker 1: The bills are out of sorts, and it's important that
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  Speaker 1: the bills get back into sorts coming out of the
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  Speaker 1: bye WEEKND. That is part of the theme of tonight's episode,
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  Speaker 1: where we are going to dive into what the Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: Bills need to start, stop and continue on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of pall the offense and the defense. The age old
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  Speaker 1: kind of progress support performance evaluation for individuals, and you
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  Speaker 1: know you can apply here to sports, something that you
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  Speaker 1: should continue to do, something you should start doing, something
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  Speaker 1: you should stop doing. And the Bills have a lethor
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  Speaker 1: ra of potential answers for start, stop and continue on
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  Speaker 1: both sides of the ball. And to have that conversation,
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  Speaker 1: I am joined by someone who and I tell myself
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  Speaker 1: this every time, and I'm mad that I didn't do it,
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  Speaker 1: But he's extending his record number of appearances on this show.
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  Speaker 1: But this time, this time, this is the first appearance
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  Speaker 1: for this guest in which he has his new gig.
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  Speaker 1: So without further ado, I am joined by mister JP Acosta,
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  Speaker 1: NFL analyst now at CBS Sports, no longer with SB Nation.
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  Speaker 1: You are on TV, you are writing, you're on the
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  Speaker 1: pushing the pile pod like you are just doing onward
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  Speaker 1: and upward for everything you do. One of the best
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  Speaker 1: in the business. You sincerely deserve it. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: taking the time to join me, especially now that again
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  Speaker 1: you're up there rubbing shoulders with all the big wags.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time no rock with.
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  Speaker 2: Me, of course, thank you for having me has gotta
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  Speaker 2: make time from a favorite Bills podcast, my favorite Bills discussions.
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  Speaker 2: I always tell people, if you're looking for Bills coverage,
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  Speaker 2: to my man. Here, we're gonna get We're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: some real good Bills talk out the way and it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be really fun. So it make sure you stay
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  Speaker 2: with us.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you for the kind words. It's
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  Speaker 1: very nice to hear. Kind words aren't something that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of Bills fans are giving to the Buffalo Bills
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  Speaker 1: right now. But for you, you take a look at
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  Speaker 1: the league across. You know, I obviously have a heavy
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  Speaker 1: Bills focus, but I grind a lot of tape league wide.
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  Speaker 1: You grind even more tape league wide. You are seeing
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  Speaker 1: everything from that consistent, high level view across the league.
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  Speaker 1: Before we dive into the details here on this one
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  Speaker 1: of again the start stops and continues and scheme structure
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  Speaker 1: player stuff like we do here, especially whenever I have
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  Speaker 1: you on the show. From your league wide perspective, where
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  Speaker 1: are the Bills at for you right now, especially after
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  Speaker 1: you know where you I think also kind of put
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  Speaker 1: in the backdrop of they were four and oh I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't holistically a huge believer in that furnao after they
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  Speaker 1: lost those two, I'm still not really on the ledge
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fans are. They saw those losses and
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  Speaker 1: were like, they're done, it's over. Where does this team
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  Speaker 1: stand for you? Are they still in that contenders mix?
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  Speaker 1: Are they still in that heavy conversation or do you
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  Speaker 1: think the faltering and the flaws or vulnerabilities that we've
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  Speaker 1: seen are potentially too much to overcome? And this is
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  Speaker 1: there's more red flags that are kind of being talked about.
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  Speaker 2: So I think there's a little bit of both where
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  Speaker 2: look that the Bills are still one of the best
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  Speaker 2: teams in the NFL because they have two of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest advantages in the NFL. They have Josh Allen, who
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  Speaker 2: is one of the three to four mutants at quarterback
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  Speaker 2: that you can really say like, yeah, that guy can
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  Speaker 2: go win us football games. And you also still have
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  Speaker 2: one of the best offensive lines in football that's going
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  Speaker 2: to continue to why they we talk about margins for
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna widen that margin for air by having Josh
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  Speaker 2: Allen and the offensive line playing as well as they
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  Speaker 2: do in that run game, operating as well as they do.
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  Speaker 2: So I still think they are one of the best
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  Speaker 2: teams in the NFL. Now, if you were to ask
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  Speaker 2: me to rank those best teams in the NFL, I
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  Speaker 2: do think the Bills will be kind of on that
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  Speaker 2: fringe of their near the bottom because I still worry
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  Speaker 2: the same issues that they had last year carried over
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  Speaker 2: to this year, and most of those issues when you
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  Speaker 2: go back and look at some of the things that
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  Speaker 2: they can do to solve those issues, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you can solve them this year. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if this is the year that you can really go
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  Speaker 2: and say like, Oh, we're gonna go add this guy
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  Speaker 2: at the trade deadline. Oh we're gonna get a second
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  Speaker 2: half surge from this guy. So I'm a little worried
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  Speaker 2: about the defense specifically. I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: are gonna be really, like really worried about the receiver spot,
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  Speaker 2: and I understand, especially coming off of the Atlanta game.
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  Speaker 2: But the Bill's best receiver did not play in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Don Ky Kid did not play in that game. That
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  Speaker 2: is there, that's their receiver like everybody else, like Kean Coleman,
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  Speaker 2: is basically a tight end right now, you don Kin
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  Speaker 2: kid is your receiver. He's the guy that you designed
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  Speaker 2: targets for against man coverage. He's the one that goes
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  Speaker 2: and to phrase better, he's the one who goes and
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  Speaker 2: gets you a bucket. So against the Falcons team that
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  Speaker 2: knew you didn't have any bucket getters downfield, of course
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  Speaker 2: they could blitch you. Of Course they could really turn
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  Speaker 2: this team into a pincushion because they didn't have all
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  Speaker 2: their targets. So I'm not as worried about the receiver group.
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  Speaker 2: I do think adding some more speed on the outside
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  Speaker 2: would really help sort of loosen up the offense a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. But I'm more worried about a defense where
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if some of the things you can
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  Speaker 2: add can be added right.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's such a perfect lead in and like such
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  Speaker 1: a I'm so frustrated you and I I talked about
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  Speaker 1: so I'm assuming several of so for those who don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know JP's start, stops and continues. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: weave mine into his to make sure that we don't
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  Speaker 1: go for two and a half or three hours like
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  Speaker 1: we normally do whenever we get together. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: know his answers, he doesn't know mine, but I feel
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  Speaker 1: like a good chunk of them are gonna be things
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  Speaker 1: that we talked about last year when I had you
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  Speaker 1: on the show multiple times, when we to what we
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  Speaker 1: talked about in season, during the playoffs, in the off season,
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  Speaker 1: and for me, a person who lives with this team
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  Speaker 1: every day and watches every snap every week multitude of times, man,
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  Speaker 1: it's frustrating to even broach some of the topics we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna talk about tonight and broke several of the pieces
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  Speaker 1: that you alluded to, because it was just it, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the joke I make all the time, the Michael
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  Speaker 1: Scott and Pam moment from the office where she's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Michael stopped dating my mom and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna date her harder. And that's what the
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  Speaker 1: Bills did. This year was really or this past off
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  Speaker 1: season was really like, you know, we've got some issues here,
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  Speaker 1: and we've got some issues here, and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: should we do something different directify It's like, no, we're
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  Speaker 1: just gonna do what we're already doing there and just
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  Speaker 1: do it harder. Like okay, it's like, oh, so you
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to maybe like mitigate displacement on the
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  Speaker 1: interior defensive line and to eat up some Nope, more penetration.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's all we're gonna do, just souped up penetration. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you were kind of Yeah, maybe maybe you didn't really
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  Speaker 1: have enough speed on the outside and vertical presence or
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  Speaker 1: guys who could truly win one on one on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you want to address that for the offense. Nope,
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  Speaker 1: we're good. It's like, oh, all right, maybe maybe having
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  Speaker 1: like two box safeties as you're starting safeties and having
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  Speaker 1: two guys who aren't really good deep for a variety
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  Speaker 1: of reasons, maybe that's not a great safety combot. No,
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  Speaker 1: we're just gonna stick to that and role. It's like, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: And having all of these things, like all these chickens
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  Speaker 1: come to roost seemingly in the last two weeks. It's
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  Speaker 1: hilariously ironic or painfully ironic, I should say. Now, the
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  Speaker 1: Bills stumbled out of the gate last year after starting
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  Speaker 1: out three and oh they got smacked by the Ravens.
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  Speaker 1: They got smacked by the Texans they traded for Mary
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  Speaker 1: Cooper wasn't really that same level over Mary Cooper. Plus
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  Speaker 1: he was hurt, but his presence opened some things up.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe they can in my dream, in my
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  Speaker 1: dreamiest of dreams. I know every Bills fan is saying this,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of people are kind of picking the
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  Speaker 1: bones of the Saints. But if they could get Chris Olave,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be very happy. I would take Rashid Shaheed, even
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  Speaker 1: though his name is a tongue twister all the time.
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  Speaker 1: But give me the dude who can fly. Rocking twenty
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  Speaker 1: two is a receiver number so sick and the speed
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  Speaker 1: he has, like they just they need some injection there.
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  Speaker 1: But to your point, unless like there's no there's nobody
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  Speaker 1: that's walking through that's going to drastically change their problem areas,
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  Speaker 1: Like they can hope to get healthier, hope to get
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  Speaker 1: some guys back, and then you can make according tweaks.
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  Speaker 1: But their biggest pain points from a player standpoint, they
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  Speaker 1: really kind of have to dance with who brought them,
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  Speaker 1: and that's it's really like tough to kind of work around.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's good, it's gonna be something. We're gonna
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  Speaker 2: talk about later. But if you're looking to sit here,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to say, like, yeah, we can add
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  Speaker 2: safety help at the deadline. Who dah right who? Most
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  Speaker 2: of the good safeties are the ones that are locked
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  Speaker 2: up for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what are you gonna do, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna trade for Jesse Bates? Like do you all again?
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  Speaker 1: No one's giving up those dudes.
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah, it would be I think it'd be awesome
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  Speaker 2: if you're traded for Jesse Bates, or like in a
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  Speaker 2: perfect world you go get Kyle Hamilton. But everybody wants
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, like of course they want to go try
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  Speaker 2: and get that guy. But the issues with the Bills
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  Speaker 2: defense is they also they don't have the players, but
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  Speaker 2: they also don't have the scheme to benefit the players.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, it's so like they're playing a defense based on
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  Speaker 1: like like, well, we're just gonna run simplistic things and
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  Speaker 1: use our horses, but you don't have the horses, and
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  Speaker 1: then you don't have the schematic advantage or the structure
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  Speaker 1: to compensate for that, so you're you're just chased in
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  Speaker 1: your tail with the Jimmies and Joe's and the X's
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  Speaker 1: and ops.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were constantly on the back foot of opposing
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  Speaker 2: defensive of opposing offenses because you still can't stop the run.
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  Speaker 2: You're they've been one of the worst tackling teams, I
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  Speaker 2: think in the league this year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I've got stats. They're they're terrible.
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  Speaker 2: They've been one of the worst tackling units in the
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  Speaker 2: league this year. And because of that, you can run
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  Speaker 2: all this play action because your safeties are slow or
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  Speaker 2: in Cole Bishop's case, well like football right now, like
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  Speaker 2: he's he still likes like looks like the game is
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  Speaker 2: like still fast for him, it looks like it's still fast.
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  Speaker 1: He's still learning how to see the game from that
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  Speaker 1: death head. You at Utah, Him and Stoney Vaki were sweet,
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  Speaker 1: but they were both like apax more box safety dudes.
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  Speaker 1: They dropped deep every once in a while, but they
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  Speaker 1: were more like monster men in and around the line
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  Speaker 1: in the box. He's learning how to have to play
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  Speaker 1: stingle high post safety and like deep from a split field. Look,
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  Speaker 1: how to see the game, read route distributions, process the angles,
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  Speaker 1: fitting the run from there, all of it very spot on.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're hoping you're hoping to get Maxwell Harston back,
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  Speaker 2: which would be great for that corner room. But we're
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  Speaker 2: assuming that Harriston is immediately like, very.
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  Speaker 1: Good, He's got it. Yeah, he won't have to get
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  Speaker 1: up the speed at all. He's gonna step in and
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  Speaker 1: ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's tough because you all you see like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: well Quenya Mitchell did last year. That's not the same
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  Speaker 2: Like Quenyan Mitchell is a rare like player, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you don't those guys don't really come along that often.
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  Speaker 2: Hairston is a guy that needs to go and play,
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  Speaker 2: that needs to go and figure out the speed of
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  Speaker 2: the game because his game is so reliant on his
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  Speaker 2: eyes and reactive quickness. He's such a good zone player.
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  Speaker 2: But in college it was good because every zone was
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  Speaker 2: wide open. Like every zone, he could close those zones
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  Speaker 2: a lot quicker in college because not every quarterback can
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  Speaker 2: fit those passes in the windows. Now you're facing guys
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  Speaker 2: who can actually get those passes into NFL windows. That's
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  Speaker 2: gonna take a little bit of time. And then I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I've we've talked about my issues with them up front
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  Speaker 2: because they sort of just they have the same type
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  Speaker 2: of player. It's like, I hate to make like the
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  Speaker 2: wrestling reference. Actually, I don't hate it.
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  Speaker 3: Act.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like, you know how they had like during
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  Speaker 2: like the Triple H's Reign of Terror, how every match
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  Speaker 2: ended the same, where you have like Rick Flair, rand
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  Speaker 2: Yorton Batista all run out, A raft is taking a bump,
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  Speaker 2: Charles Robinson is running from this from the backstage to
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  Speaker 2: come count, to make the count. That's what the Bills
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  Speaker 2: feel like they're doing every week. It feels like nothing,
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  Speaker 2: nothing is going to change with this team. And I
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  Speaker 2: think it's cool that they've gotten the Deon Walkers splash plays,
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  Speaker 2: but the issue is they don't have gap control. Deon
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  Speaker 2: Walker is not a gap control defensive tackle. You might
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  Speaker 2: think so because he is massive, but he wins with quickness.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't win with pure power and gap control because
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  Speaker 2: he's so. He has such a tall like torso it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna take a long time for him to drop his
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  Speaker 2: hips because there's just a lot of body.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you can hear like metal on metal scraping
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  Speaker 1: when he tries to, like it's like watching a giant
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  Speaker 1: tractor trailer like turn a corner or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: It just doesn't move that weight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like asking, like the Iron Giant, the
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  Speaker 2: two gap right, it's tough, it's tough. It's it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be really tough for him to get down like that.
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  Speaker 2: So you need somebody who can really actually hold some
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  Speaker 2: gaps because of how fast flowing this defense is. It's
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  Speaker 2: the same issue the Texans have in their run defense,
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  Speaker 2: which is everybody's upfield so quickly. You can run gap
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  Speaker 2: scheme at them, you can run trap and way I'm
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  Speaker 2: at them. Because everybody's so fast up the field, nobody
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  Speaker 2: knows what they're doing, and you're ripping off eight yards
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  Speaker 2: of play. But the thing about the Texans is they
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  Speaker 2: have aces everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: They have Dereksti Lassiter, they have Will Anderson Junior and
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  Speaker 2: Daniel Hunter like. They have guys where it just doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: They have impact players there. Even with the Browns, you
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  Speaker 2: have Miles Garrett, you have Denzel Ward. They have guys
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  Speaker 2: that flip the field, that flip the game. The Bills
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  Speaker 2: have good players. I'm not saying that the Bills are
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  Speaker 2: not a talented defense. They have talented players, but you're
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  Speaker 2: they're constantly relying on the Ed Oliver destruction game, Like
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  Speaker 2: you hope for him to be your best pass rusher
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  Speaker 2: and best run defender at maybe two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 2: five pounds, it's just gonna take a lot on the body.
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  Speaker 2: And you worry because he's already missed time. You worry
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  Speaker 2: with Matt Mulano having already missed time, You worry with
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  Speaker 2: Terrell Bernard already missing time. You're just gonna get to
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs and not enough bodies.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. I hate, I love, and I hate so
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  Speaker 1: much that the Bills and that the Bills interior construction
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  Speaker 1: is essentially the triple a train of time and ending
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: after ending, and that's so spot on it I hate it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Or like the initially how like the whole death Rider
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: angle started out for aw was like again, every week,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna interfere one by one, We're gonna do
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: this for six months. Yeah, it's And that's such a
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: good point too. On the this ties into one of
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: my points, so I don't want to give up too much.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Actually a lot of what you said ties on to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: my points. But the way that they've drafted and built
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: this team, they have a good roster, like they have
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: good players, but they don't have the top tier s
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: tier game changers, you know, the one on one bucket
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: getters everywhere that are like the established, like Okay, we
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: got this guy, we got that guy, especially when you've
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: been going toe to toe with the teams that you
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: lost against, especially even for years with like the Chiefs.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: For a while it was like, well they got Mahomes
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: and it's like Mahomes and like Humphrey's crazy like as
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: an all pro, and then like Trey Smith, and then
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it's like you might not even really need them. It's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: just Mahomes and Chris Jones. And then it was like
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Chris Jones and Trent McDuffie, and then you would get
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: the and like those are legit all pros right there.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: But then you get big splash plays from Justin Reid
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and you'd get them from Bolton, or before that it
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: was Tyron Matthew being like an assassin for them for
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: a couple of years, or Shabarius Ward was on the
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: up and coming and then got a huge contract. They
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: just couldn't keep them. Like having the Difference Makers, they've
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: got a whole their roster is constructed out of a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of like B minus to like B maybe
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: B plus guys, which is cool, like, and that's across
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the board. You don't really have a ton of deficiencies,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: but you don't have those difference makers. You don't have
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: those game changers. And when you're playing, especially defensively, when
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: you're playing a scheme in structure that isn't overly complex schematically,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: when it's just like, yeah, we're running a four down
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: over front, playing a bunch of cover three behind it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Like this is Sean McDermott. And I've said this before,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: I'll say to you Sean McDermott wants to play this,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. And I'm about to say this because
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: because he studied at the feet of Jim Johnson for
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: those Eagles teams, and Jim Johnson was a maniac. Those
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: defenses hit you in the mouth, they blitzed fire zones,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of crazy stuff for the Eagles at
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the time. But McDermott went to a Super Bowl with
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: the Panthers. We're just gonna run four rush for We're
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: gonna use them to really control gaps against the run,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and then we're gonna play coverage behind it. The problem
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: with that is you had arguably like the greatest linebacker
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: of all time, or one of them in Luke Keagley,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: which is not an overexaggeration to say. Next to him
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: was another All Pro in Thomas Davis. Next to both
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: of them was Shaq Thompson, who was a young up
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and coming All Pro himself. Then you had an All
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Pro corner who was tremendous in Cover three like Josh Norman.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And then up front you had Kawan Short who was
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: one of the best defensive tackles in all of football.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: You had Charles Johnson, you had Jared Allen, you had
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: assassins and hitters. Up front, you had all pros on
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: your back end. It's even similar to kind of like
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want to compare it to these, but like
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the when you're just gonna run a basic, simplified structure
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like the Legion of Boom Cover three or the Tampa
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: two Tampa two, think of the dudes who are in
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: those systems, Like those dudes were Hall of famers, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they also fit that system perfectly. Everybody and everybody knows
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the story. Now everyone and their mother tried to well.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Cover three is the meta. Let's run Cover three, but
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: nobody has Cam Chancellors and Earl Thomas's and Bobby Wagner's
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and Richard Sherman's or let alone the penetrating front that
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: they had where everybody could get after you at any
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: moment and slice and dice you up front. So they
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: had the scheme paired with the bodies to go with it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: The I think the bills are trying to essentially do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that where it's like, hey, we're just gonna rely on
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: our horses up front. It's like, but you don't have
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the horses up front, and then you don't have the
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: horses on the back end, and you're not combating that
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: with Okay, well we're gonna run a ton of sims,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: or we're gonna change our front structure. It's like, no,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: we're just we're gonna do a four down over front
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna, you know, we'll bring a safety down
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and try and you know, load the box more and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: play numbers and rumplits. But then that still screws you
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: because that means either Bishop or rat has to play
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in the post, and neither of them were built to
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: fit the post. And it's just, oh, it is a.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Or in the scenario that we saw the last time,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the Bill's played. You spin one of those guys into
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: the box and they just can't tackle yep, and they
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: just miss on every tackle in the box, which again,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: if you are going to be the box safety, if
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: you are going to be the tackling guy, you need
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: to make a tackle.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: That's crazy too that they're like bringing because last year
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the run defense was an issue last year just like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: it was this year. But last year when they brought
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: bodies and they gapped out, they shut down the run.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: The Lions game is the great example. They came out
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: with like literally nine dudes in the box to start with,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like you're not running against us, and they shut it
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: down right away, got out to that lead, forced the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Lions away from the run. The Lions passed it on
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: him a ton and made it close at the end.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But when they chose to gap out, now they got
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the job done. Even when they're gapping out this year,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they're not getting the job done. It's not like, okay,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: well we'll bring a safety down, we'll put eight in
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: the box, will stop the run. You're still not and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: then you're having issues on coverage tied to that, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: it's very potentially scary conversation for this team not to
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: paint too dark of a picture. Who knows, maybe we'll
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: get to some positives in this episode. Again, one of
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the things we have is a continue, so that means
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: good things must be happening. We do want them to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: continue some things. JP, let's dive into the crux of
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: this episode, the meat of this episode. For those who
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, JP and I are doing a start, stop,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: and continue for the Buffalo Bills on defense and on offense.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So things they should start doing, stop doing, continue to do.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It could be player related, it could be scheme related.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: It could be anything and everything, high level, wide scale, granular.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Jpe are the guest. Do you want to start with offense?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you the choice. You can either start
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: with offense or defense. Whichever you pick, we'll go through
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: that side of the ball completely. You can pick offense
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: or defense and pick whichever of the three you want
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to start with.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go with offense, and I'm gonna go
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: with start spamming play action. Oh okay, I think the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Bills have been so good using play action, especially when
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: they get into their bigger personnel. When you get hauls,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: when you get knocks, we get kincaid, you need to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: put Reggie Gilliam on the field and you can still
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: run some really cool play action stuff, but they just
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: don't do it often. According to NFL Pro, Josh Allen
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: is fourth in the NFL and EPA per drop back
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: using play action, which is awesome, But he is also
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: twenty first in play action dropbacks in play action passing attempts,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that is down there with the likes of c. J.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Stroud and Jalen Hurts, and the Eagles don't use play actions.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: That's like their entire thing. They don't use play action.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: So with the way that you're able to run the ball,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: with how dynamic you can be with Josh Allen as
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: a passer now, and with some of the limitations that
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you have in the receiver corps and at the tight
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: end spot, you have to manufacture touches. You have to
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: manufacture explosives in a different way. I think that they've
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: done and Joe Brady's done a very good job of
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: manufacturing explosives via numbers, the emotions and shifts, that's what
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: he does. Like I you could like count on like
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: your hands, like how many like of the signature plays
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: they run where they have like four strong or they
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: run mesh or they do some sort of orbit and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: return motion that's like their thing. But with the way
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: their offensive line runs the ball, with the way that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen can attack defenses downfield using play action to
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: just pry open windows, make make defenses account for the
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: run before just spamming over outs, and now'll get your
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: receivers all involved a little bit more. They'll be able
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to get your tight ends involved a little bit more.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Like it just feels like it'll open up so many
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: more things for the offense.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Oh I love that point. That's music to my ears. Yeah,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: they are from a team level. They are twenty fourth
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: in play action rate, had some obviously some reps in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: there for Mitch Trubisky this year at twenty point eight percent,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and it's they were low last year. I think they
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: had a play action rate of eighteen percent and they
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: were twenty eighth in the league. Like it was just
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: criminally low for how good of a running team they are.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And then you looked at all the other good running
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: teams and they were towards the top of the league.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Like I really thought they would operate more in line
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: with like what the Lions were last year with benchouts,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: or even the Lions like this year, right, You've got
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: heavier personnel, You've got these bigger, thicker wide receivers and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: condensed formations. You run the football super good. The natural
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: extension play action. Like you hear that from the time
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you're like three years old and you start watching football.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: As soon as the team starts running the ball, the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: analyst is like, gotta watch out for play action now
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: because now you're vulnerable now that you have to re
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: back the run and blah blah blah blah blah. That
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: should just be like a weekly healthscape for defenses because
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we got to stop the run on
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: now we're getting sucked into play action. And that also
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: ties into Dalton Kinkaid being the like the folkrum or
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: the tip of the spear of that passing offense. I uh,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: that's part of the play action piece is a caveat
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and part of my continue I like yours a lot.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonnagain. I'm gonna try and keep mine brief and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: not go too crazy, especially if we talk about some things.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: My start is kind of happened a bit already. But
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I think that the Bills office needs to start running
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the offense through the Josh Allen's account. Running the offense
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: through these three players, James Cook, Khalil Shakir, and Dalton Kinkaid.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with Shakir as the main Shakiro right
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: now has thirty two targets through six games. In twenty
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: twenty four, he had twenty one targets through the first
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: six games, so not a lot an average of three
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: point five per per game. Game seven through the A
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: or Week seven through the AFC Championship. Last year, thirteen
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: games for Khalil Shakir ninety four targets, an average of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: seven point two to three per game, double what he
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: was for the first six weeks. He needs a similar
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: uptick right now. He's averaging about five point two targets
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: per game. Right now. He needs to be the schematic
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: move guy that they use and a ligne and just
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: get him the ball. He needs to start out as
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that easy button guy. He gets the ball, he he
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: reminds me. Now, I've always said he's like a running
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: back once he gets the ball in his hands. This
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: goes back to the Boise State days. I really do
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: think when the ball is in his hands. He looks
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: like the wide receiver equivalent of Bucky Irving. They have
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: similar movements, body types, low center of gravity, physicality. You
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: just it's hard to get him down. He's shifty, he's explosive.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: You can manufacture such cheap yardage by just let me
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: just spit it to Shakir and you know what, I'll
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: spit it to him two yards behind the line. He'll
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: get five and it'll be second and seven. But he
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: can like he'll find you something on enough and even
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: if if there's a little something there, he'll find you more.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: He's got to be more of a focal point than
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: he is. He needs to be more of an easy
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: button than he is, especially with the pass game and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: with Kincaid. And I say that because I think Kincaid
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: overall should be the tip of the spear. The mismatch creation.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: You and I have talked You and I have talked
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: about for two seasons in a row now at this
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: point we talked about it. Oh, I don't remember what
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: game we were talking about it on Blue Sky. I
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: think maybe during the Bills Thursday night game against Miami
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: or one of the other games. Talking about have your
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: personnel play action using him as the explosive generator. My
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: only issue with that is nothing schematic, nothing. He just
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: gets hurt. He gets banged up, so you can't holistically
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: rely on him when he is in there the passing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: The pass game should go through Kincaid and it should
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: go through Shaki. It started to go through Kincaid already
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: this year. He is He's had an uptick inefficiency, but
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the targets are not there. He needs to be like
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver two level of targets, even though he's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: really their wide receiver one. So you got to focus
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the pass game funnels through Kincaid and Shakir completely, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: then you lean on James Cook, which they kind of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: have to a degree. I think they're trying to keep
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: him fresh and not completely wearing down, which is understandable.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I don't love having you to lean on my running
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: back already in the middle of October, because health and
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: playoff performance and all that kind of stuff. But they
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: this is the bed that they made and they have
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: to lie in it. It's gotta be these three because
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: of what they offer in combination of talent, schematic advantage,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: and mismatch capability. I think Josh Palmer is a very
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: fine role player. I think Kean Coleman can be a
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: very fine role player. But the passing offense needs to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: go through Kincaid and Shakir. They don't have the horses
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to consistently win outside and or vertically, so you gotta
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: go condensed. You gotta win with yards after catch. You
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: gotta win in the intermediate and with sucking defenders in
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and Kinkaid getting matched up on safeties or linebackers, or
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Shakir in the slot, win in or some quick little
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: rpo bubble or run with a pass tag and you
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: spin it out to him, whatever the hell. Those three
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: guys need to be the focal point every week. Designs
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: for them, calls for them, getting them involved early and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: often and into a rhythm. The offense has to flow
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: through those three guys. They need to start doing that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: The Khalil Sakre point is so fascinating, such a good
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: point by you, because I think that I agree. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: think Khalils Shakir needs to be a more focal point
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: of this offense, especially when it comes to just the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: easy stuff, when it comes to the after the catch stuff,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: when it comes to choice routes in the middle of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the field. Just isolating him on guys at the second
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and a second level that just cannot defend him. Again,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I hate to keep bringing it up, but if you're
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: gonna fully chief sify this offense, this Khalilsakir is your
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: version of like Rashi Rice when it comes to just
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the way they use him in the slot and the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: way they kind of isolate him against linebackers safeties, just
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: absolutely hammer it, absolutely spam it. Get him involved early,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: get him involved in the easy game and the quick
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: game and all those like RPO tags, with the bubble,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: with the something you do with Curtis Samuel. Curtis Samel's
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: does not need to be as focal of a point
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in this offense. Like Curtis Samuel is a cool piece
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: to have in the offense, he cannot be a major
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: part of the offense that needs to be Shakir and
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in kinkaid I again, just think he can be such
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a good, good player over mill of the field. Just
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: isolating him, just have him be your guy against man coverage.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Design routes for him instead of just instead of trying
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to manufacture through like through numbers and motions and alignment,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: which is a good thing. At some point, somebody's got
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: to go get you a bucket, and Kinkaid has been
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: that bucket getter for them this season. Yes, continue to
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: build that confidence, continue to give him targets because you're
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: not going to do it with the guys on the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: outside right now. That's just not going to happen. That
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: sort of goes into my stop point we were gonna
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: get to. But you have to continue to run the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: passing game through those two guys.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, And so it's it's I gotta cheated a
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: little because they've they've started to do some of this
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: with Kincaid a bit. They've shown flashes, but I didn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: think it was enough to be a full on, Hey,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: this is established. Continue doing that. It just feels like
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: they get weeks where it's like, you know, we want
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to get key On Coleman involved early, and yeah, we
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: want to get Curt of Samuel involved early. And again
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: though that's cool, you're your top dudes on the offense,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: are shekir not in this order, But they're secure Cook
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and Kincaid, And yes, you have to manufacture touches them,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: design things around for them, use all the plethora of
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: motion and shifting and movement that they do. Use it
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to create advantageous matchups for them with regularity. Get them on.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And that's even I don't want to get too off track,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: but that was even even with ke On Coleman.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I know Keon.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Coleman isn't the best, but like Joe Brady, you couldn't
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: find a way to get Keon Coleman on Mike Hughes regularly.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: You had to keep getting him put on aj Terrell,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: like Ajterrell is sick, and you just kept feeding him
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to aj Terrell to be like, you know what, let's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: let him go out there and then let's like throw
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: him some back shoulder balls. He's get that's not favorable.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Why are we doing that? And even in general, forget that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Just spit it to secure, just throw it to spam
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: it to secure. At this point, dance with who brought you.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: And that's kind of where they're at. I don't want
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to oversimplify too much, but I feel like that is
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit of kind of like the Kiss model,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: like keep it simple, stupid, get it through. These three guys,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: make them even if you manufactu your gravity to them
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: from the defense to open things up for other guys.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: That is a potential win. All right, do you want
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to go, You're gonna go with your stop. Next stop, Okay.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: My stop is stop trying to isolate Keon Coleman.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And my reason for saying trying to isolate Keon Coleman
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: is on the back side of those three by ones
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and is the isolator receiver against press coverage, He's not.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: He hasn't been good this year so against press coverage
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in general. According to the NFL Pro Keon Coleman is
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: second on the team in targets. He has seven targets
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: against press coverage. He has two catches on those seven targets.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That's just that's not going to cut it, especially for
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a guy like you know what, you wish Keon Coleman
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: were that guy that would make the offense a whole
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: lot easier if he just converted on a few more
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of those press coverage targets on those on tight window targets.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Keon Coleman leads the team in targets with eight. He
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: has two receptions on tight window targets. That's just that's
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: not going to cut it. You're turning those into low
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: percentage throws and the way that you if you want
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to get Keon Coleman involved in the game, if you
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: want to try and get him involved in the game,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you have to manufacture routes for him against off coverage.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: That's where he's a lot better when he doesn't have
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to try and fight through press technique because he's just
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: not He hasn't found that comfort yet. Against press. He
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: is more of an off guy. He's more of a
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: we're gonna run slants, We're gonna run like glance routes,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and will occasionally run like the stop route against like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Maya coverage against against off coverage, he's not a press
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: guy at this point. Your press guy's probably gonna end
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: up being Josh Palmer, which I mean, good luck, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: he's done.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: A much better job of it than the way you
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: like you you knew the answer but didn't want to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: see it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't want it to be Josh Palmer.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Although Josh Palmer is a very useful player, that could
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: not be the Josh Palmer like diet of receiving targets.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I still do think Kek Coleman has You have to
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: find a role for him outside of being the blocking receiver,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: which he's done a good job at. If you want
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to use him as a receiving target, we've learned now
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it just can't be as the we're gonna throw him
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: backside fades or stop routes against press coverage and we're
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: getting locked up because that's just not his game right now.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's super fair. He's he's made improvements in the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: finer points of being a receiver this year. I think
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: he's shown some improvement in his route running, like his
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: stemwork has improved. He's had a couple of really good
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: releases against press, mainly against the Saints. But to your point,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: it's just not He's not there from a consistency standpoint
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: with the finer points. And what I really like about
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: your point it ties into something I think I mentioned
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: this last week. I don't know, the last week and
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: a half has been a blur. My biggest thing with
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Keon Coleman isn't necessarily even with Keon Coleman, he was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a project coming out of Forlida State. Everybody and their
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: mother knew this. The example I always gave I Now
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: because I said it so much, it's burning my brain.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: He was wide receiver nine for me coming out, but
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I thought he had the widest range of outcomes like he.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: If you would have told me he would have been
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver two in four years, I would believe it.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: If you told me he was out of the league
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: in four years, I believe it if you told me
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: that he was going to be that receiver into his
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: early thirties, cashing in on one or two year deals
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: because all these different teams thought they could be the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: ones to finally tap into the traits. I believe it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: He had such a wide range of potential outcomes, and
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the Bills took him and needed him from his rookie
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: year through now Gear two. They needed him to be
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: a top of the depth chart guy, and that's not
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: what a project wide receiver should be. Who was playing
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: basketball a bunch at Michigan State two years before you
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: took him. Like it's just I don't want to say
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you set up a guy for failure because they are
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a run first team, and his body type and his
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: skill set fits the run game and some things you
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: can do with that, But you can't take a project
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: wide receiver and drop him in and make him have
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to be a top two wide receiver on your team
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: from the depth chart perspective, especially if your number one
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: on the depth chart isn't a true one. This is
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this to stoke any fires. I'm
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: just saying it because it was the last true wide
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: receiver one of the Bills had. It's different if your
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: wide receiver one is Stefon Diggs and your wide receiver
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: two is Keyon Coleman, and it's like, oh, okay, well we've
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: got our one and Keon can be the two their
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: styles contrast. And then oh man, though the three is Shakir.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cool if you have a true one, or
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: even your one is like a high level two in
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: some aspect or capacity, or or you're dropping him into
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the Packers wide receiver room where they have a whole
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: bunch of like twos and threes at worst everywhere, it's like, oh, okay, cool,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Like that's kind of fun. They dropped him in asked
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: him to be like, hey man, we need you to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: learn how to consistently play X on the fly in
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the NFL. While you're still learning how to play the game,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and you're learning timing and tempo and pacing and how
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to have your hands and sync with your feet and everything.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And I, Oh, it's just such a frustrating thing for
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: him and for this offense because they keep like the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: reason you're saying stop, they keep like, I feel like
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I'm watching mean girls, and I'm like, stop trying to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: make fetch happen. Like it's not gonna happen. It might
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: happen in year three, or it might happen in year four.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen in year two. You got he
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: needs time on task. He's a project. You can't expect
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: this project to be ready right now to contribute this way.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And again it goes back to my part with point
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: with the Falcons game, like you just kept feeding him
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to aj Terrell, like what are you doing to this
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: dude man? And why are you doing this to your offense?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And then even with him, him and Alan, a lot
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: of their throws, Allen doesn't even take advantage of his
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: size difference. It's like, let me throw a laser for
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: a back shoulder throat. Now, screw that, throw it up
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and let him go up and scrape that rebound off
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the glass and go make a play. Let him use
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that big body elevate, maybe he gets chugged on the collar,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: maybe somebody tries to hold the arm down. Like Alan
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: hasn't played into his skill set rate, which was part
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: of one of my biggest concerns when they drafted him,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: because Alan has done his best work with true declarative
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: separators like Stefan Diggs and Cole Beasley and guys like
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that and Dalton Kincaid, guys who find space when early
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and often he hasn't won with these non separators who
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: are big body dudes. Let me throw a jump ball up,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: see what happens. And I feel like he's adjusting. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: feel like Keon is still learning. And then how Brady
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: is utilizing him. And I also get it because you
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: need somebody to be that true ex presence, even if
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: it's what is Matt Harmon say, like the sacrificial X, Like,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: even if you need somebody to be that, like, you
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: still need somebody to do that. And I feel like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: they're using him as the sacrificial X or forcing him
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: into that role. But then they're also forcing him the
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: targets and it's just like, no, this is bad on bad.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It's the opposite of good on good, and you're setting
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: him up for failure, you're setting yourself up for failure.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's a really good stop.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: It sucks because, as someone who watched a lot of
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Florissa football and watched a lot of key On Coleman,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: there is potential for this guy to be good in
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the NFL A quality of receiver. I think, like you said,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the athleticism stands out when you ask him to go
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: get the ball above the rim, But he is still
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: figuring out how to play receiver. He's still figuring out
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the finer points. So if you want to make him
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a if you want to make him a guy like
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: you want to involve him in the offense, you have
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to get him targets where he's either running away from
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: somebody or design him just exclusively red zone stuff. You
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: should give him slants, uh slants over routes and the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: occasional go route or the occasional fade. That's it. But
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: if you're doing if you're gonna, if you gotta say that,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: then like it just he has to be better. But
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I also think the design of the offense can help
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: him at what he does best.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Right now, that's a great way to say it. I
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: like that. I like that a lot. My stop is
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: very simple. Stop all the predictability. I think they've gotten
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: very predictable on offense. And it used to be I'm
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: gonna speak out of both sides of my mouth for
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit, because it used to be fun. It
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: used to be like, man, they're gonna go three by
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: one and from the bunch, they're gonna send the one
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: in jet motion and they're gonna run weak side mid
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: zone and the defense knows that they can't do anything
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: about it, or they're gonna show that same presentation and
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: run duo and you can't do anything about it. Defenses
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: are doing something about it now. They know what's coming,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and so they are at this point, they're running the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: same concepts from the same formations and the same alignments
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: with the same motions, and every once in a while
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: they'll do something different from those presentations. But it's not
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: enough to create doubt because defenses are still just playing
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the odds. They're running Mesh like seventy five times a game.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: They run Mesh so oh so much.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: It's awful.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It's not good.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: It's just they run Mesh and Mesh return. That is
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the passing game.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: That's it. And then like specifically they run mesh rail
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and that's what. And so mesh rail, the running back
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: is usually the one off of that, so like let's
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: get eyes to him right away. It's not open anymore.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: And that was a huge way for them to get
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the running backs involved, their running back, their EPA per attempt,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and their EPA and effectiveness in running back targets. It's
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: been Joe Brady's calling cards at this time at LSU
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: when he convinced everyone that Clyde Edwards Hilaire was going
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to be an awesome running back in the NFL, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: then he did great work with the running backs in Carolina,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: did great work with the running backs in Buffalo these
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: past two years. But now everybody's kind of caught on
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: to be like, okay, here comes the rail. Just get
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: over the top on it. They're not gonna throw it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: And that's all they do. They get over the top,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: so the rail is dead, the rest of the mesh
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: is dead. Then you combine that with Alan getting some
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: pressure and they've had some I want to be fair,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: they have had some mesh were some mesh rail where
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: the rail is covered the underneath drag that's the two
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: is covered. The over the ball is covered, which is
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the three, but the four that other drag that's open.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: But Allen doesn't have time to get there because he
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: gets pressured or he's been pressured to lead enough to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: that and he gets skittih and he decides to bail
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: from the pocket when he didn't have to. So they're
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: running mesh a ton and then even under center and
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: shotgun stuff. I think this was talked about. This is
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: one of the few times that Chris Collinsworth it said
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: something good on national television. He talked about it during
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the Pats game. This is very true. Uh So, as
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: of right now, the Bills have a twenty one point
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: three percent under center pass rate, twenty ninth in the league.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: So when they're under center, it's highly likely that it's
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: going to be a run. There's a big difference between
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it being like, well, they're probably gonna run versus like, no,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: they're gonna run, like eight Yeah, those are huge odds.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And then you pair that with a set for the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: inverse or the shotgun. You pair that with a seventy
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: eight point five percent shotgun pass rate, so everybody can
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: such a leave bet all right, they're in shotgun, it's
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: a pass, they're under center. Here comes the run. And
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: then you pair that with the alignments and formations that
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: they operate out of, and it's even more like okay,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: so they got about an eighty percent under center pass rate.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: When they're in this three by one with the tight bunch,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: it's mid zone or it's dual. If they send that
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: jet motion, it's probably going to be weak side mid zone.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Roughly seventy five percent of the time. All of these
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: things stack and stack and stack. So you can get
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: away with yeah, you're probably they're probably going to do this,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: but they might not. You can't get away with, oh no,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: they're doing a yep, here comes b And then again,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: when you tie that in with all the formational tells,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: it compounds into tendencies and tells and defenses can play
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the odds. Or if you're the New England Patriots in Atlanta,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Falcons scout you well enough to know literally what's going
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to come. And then the last little bit of predictability,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: they run the ball. I'm all for running the ball.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: You are for running the ball. We love it's great,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: but they're running so much on predictable downs and distances
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, cool, it's second and two,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: let's take a shot. And they're like, no, we're just
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: gonna run it for three. And it's like okay, but
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: you're gonna take a shot eventually, right, Nope, we're just
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: gonna keep Oh it's second and one, man, are you
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: gonna take the shot? And they're just gonna keep doing that. Yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they've just gotten two. And it used to be a bonus.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: It was like they could run the same thing over
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and over again. If it's not broken, don't fix it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But it's starting to get broken or starting to break
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: a little bit. You gotta start to fix it. You
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: gotta throw more change ups. It's I get it. The
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: fat You throw a ninety eight mile an hour fastball
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: and it's got movement, it's hard to hit. You gotta
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: work in the change up a little bit more and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a slider. You gotta start to throw more than the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: one pitch.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: You know what the Bills need, Get in loser. We're
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: going back to two thousand and seven under center drop back.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: That's a little Sam Darno in the Seattle Seahawks. Baby, Yeah, that's.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Been a thing this year all the everybody's using under
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: centered drop back because it breaks predictability of being under center.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks are so good offensively without having a great
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: run game because they make everything look the same. They
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: make all their stuff look similar. They can run at
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: a they can run out of twelve, they can run
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: out of twenty one, and everything looks so similar because
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: you can still get to drop back passing games and
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: attack downfield.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: They have and they really married the play action, like
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: they'll run they're running play action off of like GF
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: counter and you're thinking, like, here comes counter. Oh it's
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a play action shot. Like they're they're running their their
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: play action concepts or built off of the exact look
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: and presentation of exactly what they're running. So it's not
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: just like oh yeah, like they're running play action. No,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: they make it look the exact same. It's just it's
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: so their offense is an entire ecosystem under Kubiak is
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: so beautiful. Sorry, I got excited. I watched their tape.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I watched their tape every week. I love their offense.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I love their offense. It is such a throwback or
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: it's like this is this is real football. Right here,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And I think Tom McVay said it a few years ago.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: The Rams don't run a lot of plays. They have
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of formations that make the same plays look
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: They make everything look similar, and that's how you make
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: that's how you get unpredictability. It's not running three thousand
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: different plays. It's running the same play out of a
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: different formation, or using a different motion to tag on
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: this time, or using a different alignment to get it
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: to mask the predictability. So for the Bills, I would
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: love to see them, like I said, use under center
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: play action, Use just regular under center five step drop back.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I know that's probably gonna be a little weird for like,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: for like a lot of Bills fans to see, because
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: we are we are in twenty twenty five, and I'm saying, like, yeah,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: just give me the straight under center drop back. But
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: if you look at a lot of teams around the league,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: you look at the forty nine ers, you look at
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: them like the Seahawks. Even Kansas City pulled out a
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: straight drop back against the Raiders last on Sunday out
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: of like thirteen personnel, and I felt like I was
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: watching football in like a time app So where am
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I right? Like what just happened? Like Dak Prescott's doing
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: under center drop back. It's like all the cool kids
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: are doing the under center, like under center five step dropbacks. Like, well,
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: let's get the Bills into the modern throwback age. But
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I do think that could really help with their their
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: predictability issues. Like you said, teams are just keying in
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: on their on their run game stuff because you know,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: it's a run under center. So if you're if you
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: always play knowing what the other opponent has in their hand,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you're probably gonna win most of the time. Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And then he like tying it into the shotgun
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: piece too, like they were one of the best like
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: power spread running teams for years. If you want to
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: lean into okay, we have an eighty seventy eight point
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: five shotgun pass rate, Stay in shotgun, start to run tackle,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: long trap, start to run dart again, Like, get back
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: into that spread.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: That's oh I.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Hate diving back into pass frustrations. That's what they needed
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to do against the Patriots. Get their heavy bodies on
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: the field, go out there and stay in twelve, but
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: run it from a two by two gun look and
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: spread them out and then run dart, make them put
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: those big, heavy bodies on the field instead. They were like, nah,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna try and mash with them. They mashed better
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: than you. Stop trying to do that from a tight it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a lot of predictability and in in frustrating ways.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: I'm glad we see that all right now. The positive
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: for the offensive side the continue of this exercise. What
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: do you think the Buffalo offense needs to continue to do.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Continue to lean on your strength, which is the offensive line.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Continue to make that your calling card outside of Josh Allen.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Continue just to hammer teams. Like I know, we talked
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: about the predictability, how they need to become more unpredictable,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: which is great, but that their bucket. They're like, we
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: gotta go get it. You have the best, one of
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the best offensive lines in football. It opens up so
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: many different worlds for you knowing you have an offensive
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: line that is one solid and reliable in pass protection,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: but two incredibly athletic. They can do a lot of
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: different stuff. We talked about a lot on the podcast,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: which is you can get away with a lot of
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: stuff if you have a great RAS score. Yeah, Like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: if you can move you get away with a lot
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: of stuff. You can be a little less technical if
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: you're one of the best athletes on the planet. And
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Spencer Brown Dion Dawkins have always been incredibly athletic. They
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: have guys who can move people up front, but they
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: all communicate really well. That's the thing that stands out
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: about the Bills offensive line is they you rarely ever
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: catch them out of sorts when it comes to their
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: past protection. And that's what really stunned me about the
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Falcons game is they kind of just they kind of
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: caught them in different different blitzes. They really kind of
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: they fooled them. They fooled the Bills in pass pro.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So continue to lean on that offensive line as your
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: strength and build everything outside of that nucleus the offensive
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: line and Josh Allen and build everything else around that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, they have one of the best
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: offensive line coaches in football and Aaron Kromer and what
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: he's done to build this unit with the run game
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: diversity they have and the pass protection that they have,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: especially with how much oh I had it at one point.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know where it.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Is in my notes, Like their majority of their pass
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: pro stuff is all five man protection stuff. They're not
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: a big six man protection team, seven man protection team.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: It's all on the offensive line. So they are to
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: your point, like it's either Allan and Allen has gotten
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I know he's struggled a bit recently, but he's good
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: pre snap communication identification. Connor McGovern is really good at that.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Like you said, like they're a smart unit. They play well,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: they are cohesive, They've got a lot of reps together,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: fingers crossed, no chinks. And again, a lot of it
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: is on them because it's when it comes time for
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: pass pro, it's it's five man protection stuff, and that's
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: it's on them. So if the defense is running four, cool,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: we got five on four. The defense is running six.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Uh oh, it's it's six on five. And then Allen
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: is usually like that's fine, let the six guy through.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I'll make a miss or I know I'm hot and
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I'll figure something out. Yeah. That offensive line is a
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: tremendous engine for this team. Ties in a little bit
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to my continue, which is in sexy or too long,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I literally said lean on the offensive line in the
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: run game to mash teams. But then I put a
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: little asterisk and I said, but use it to set
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the table for explosives in the pass. That's my big thing,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: tying a little bit into your start of the more
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: play action. I just think the success for and again
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: tying it a little bit what we've already talked about.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: They're not built to win on the outside with their
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: wide receivers this offense. I don't care that Josh Allen
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: is the MVP. They are not built to throw it
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: thirty to forty times a game. That's not who they are.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And that's okay. It's okay to not have to throw
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the ball forty times a game. I feel like I'm
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like taking crazy bills every time, like somebody's like, oh,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: we got to throw the ball. No, Like, if you
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: have to throw the ball a lot, unless you are
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, you're probably not winning those games. And even then,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: the biggest issue with Chiefs until they got Receist rise
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: back was they couldn't run the football. Yes, like they
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: couldn't generate anything outside of Patrick Mahomes being Patrick Mahomes.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So yes, fine, if you don't throw the ball forty
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: times a game, because if you're throwing the ball twenty
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: times a game, you're probably winning that game.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one thousand percent. And you look at a lot
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: of the best offenses in the league, however you want
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: to slice it, they schematically or like metrics, rowstats. They
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: usually have really good run games, or they're creative in
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the run game, or they're effective in it, or it
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a high volume. It might be
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: high volume man effective. But you look at the past
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: several years of what the Lions have been, what the
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Packers have been, even I know, and I know you'll
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: appreciate this because you post a lot of their tape
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: like I do. As much as Baker Mayfield has been
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the story for the Bucks the past couple of years.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Their run game was sick last year under Leam Cohen like,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: and it was sick this year too, before their entire
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: offensive line got hurt and went out the door. Although
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I know works is back, like the way that they
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: would get to their counterlooks and all the cool gap
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: scheme stuff they were doing last year like man like
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: run game is very much the meta that's part of
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: the pendulum swing offenses took back after all these years. Okay,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: cool two high structures. Nickel defense is smaller interior defensive
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: linemen you're all built to stop the pass. Cool, We're
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: just gonna mash the hell out of you. I really
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: do think the Bills path the success is paved through
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: the offensive line and twelve thirteen, twenty one, twenty two,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: and even twenty three personnel lean into the heavies grind mash. Honestly,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: that was I think the Falcons are a cool defense.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Jesse Bates is one of my favorite players, so I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: watch a lot of Falcons tav even when their defense
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: is bad. That've been bad the past couple of years,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: but their defense is kind of sweet this year. The
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: big reason why they got all these cool body types
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: up front. They're all fast and athletic, and they all
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: have juice and they can move and penetrate. You know what,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: they're not all necessarily great at doing stop in the
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: run if you try to run through their face. I
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: thought the Bills, especially when Palmer went down, I was like, Okay,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: they're just gonna go heavy and road grade them. And
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: they didn't. They started a little bit, and that second
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: the second half drive where they ran duo when it
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: felt like seven times in a row and just mashed
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the hell out of them. Yeah, because went in doubt,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: run duo, like that's all you need to do, and
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: that is that's the table seter for this entire offense,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: road grade mash, grind, lean on the line, lean on
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the run game. But then I want them to use
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: it to build into those explosives. They got to maintain
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: the explosives. There has to be some sort of create
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: doubt and space between the second and third level. Otherwise
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: teams eventually will come down just be like we're just
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: going to stack eight nine in the box, smother the run.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: But if you compare it with those body types and again,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: just work the rhythm, limit a little bit of the predictability.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it starts just grind the defenses into dust
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: and like Dominic Toretto, live life a quarter mile at
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: a time and then work, work and play action.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: And like I think everybody wants like the Detroit Lions offense,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: because the Lions offense is incredible. Yes, but excuse my language.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: When shit hits the fan, they run by pay Sewell,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: when they need a play, they run the ball like
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: that is their identity. That's something that I think the
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Bills have manufactured their identity on running the football being
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the I hate the characterizer from like a large scales
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: being the team up north that you don't want to
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: play when it gets told because they're gonna hit you
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: in the mouth like you be that team. And of
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: course we get to like the predictability stuff. But like
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: we said with some of the tweaks you can add
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: with play action, with the under center drop back stuff.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: You should base your your jab if we're talking about
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: like a punch like a boxing match. Your JAB should
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: be the run game and the offensive line. It shouldn't
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: be Josh Allen have to be Superman all the time.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: It's cool that he can be, but he don't want
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: to ask him to have to do that all the time,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: especially with the receiver corps being the way that it
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: is right now. The JAB should be the offensive line
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: and the run game. And then you hit him with
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: the Josh Allen Haymaker. That's that's what the Chiefs are doing.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Like that Patrick Mahomes just RPO outside that's six yards,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: jet sweep, Hollywood Brown five yards, those little glance routes,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: those little hitches off RPO six yards, and then Patrick
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Mahomes hits you for forty yards off layoffs like they
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: don't ask him to be Superman until it's time to
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: be super Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And it's I even think too, Like the run game
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: can be that jab and it can also be like
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: a good shot to the gut. It could be a
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: good uppercut like and then you can really work in
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: that pass again for the haymaker. But that run, yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: that is your table center. They can gash teams, they
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: can get explosives in the run like, they can grind
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you out for like six to eight yards a time,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: but then cook can pop a ten yarder into a
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: twenty yarder or a twenty yard er into a house call.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Their run game is so good. The offensive line is
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: so good. I think they've just gotten away from it
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit. And injuries have played a role, and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: so on and so forth. But very fair overall on
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the offensive side the ball. All right, JP, let's pivot.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the defensive side. Start, stop, continue again.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: You are the guests. Feel free to start with your start,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: start with your stop, start with your continue, whatever it
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: is you want to do. Let's do the defensive side
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: of the ball.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Defensive side of the ball. I think you know where
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going with this. Stop the run that's that's the
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: biggest thing. Like you have to stop the run. Specifically,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: if I could add like an astis or parentheses next
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: to stop the run, tackle, like it's football is so simple.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: When you can stop the run and you make tackles,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: it's like you we can make it as complicated. We
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: can spin guys into the box, we can do all
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: these cool sim pressures, we can draw it up on
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: the board as cool as we want to. But if
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: you can't tackle, none of that works, Like you can't
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: tackle in space, none of that is going to be
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: a thing for you. So while looking it up to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: really emphasize like stopping the run, the Bills are dead
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: last and yards after contact.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so bad, and it's it's not even because
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I got a number on this two Per next Gen Stats,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: they are last in the league in yards after contact
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: per rush at four point three eight. But here's the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: big kicker four point three eight yards after contact per
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: rush the Chargers. I almost say Clippers because I wrote
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: LAC and I'm focused on basketball. To season start, the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Chargers are second at three point six. Okay, the distance
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: between the Bills at one and the Chargers at two
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: is the same as the distance of the Chargers at
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: two and the Rams at twenty fourth. That's how bad
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: the Bills are in yards after contact per attempt against
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: the run. That is crazy. They're almost a full yard
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: more than the team and second, which is like essentially
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: double what the team at twenty fourth is.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: And it's really bad because because their yards before contact
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: isn't bad. They're thirteenth in yards before contact.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: The actually I thought, because.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I thought it would be so much worse.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: So they just keep getting moved correct, but it starts
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: with again, I hate to keep going back to them
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: because they are the easy guys to pick on on
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: this defense.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: But your safeties have to tackle. You can't play in
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: light boxes, you can't play with small bodies on the field,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: and your safety is not not tackle. Taylor Rapp wants to,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: he just can't. And every time Cole Bishop is forced
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: into a scenario we have to make a tackle one
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: on one, he ends up on somebody else's highlight reel. Yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: like it's it's it's fundamental stuff, and it's it stinks
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: because you can see like, yeah, we want to stop
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: the run from light boxes, which yet it makes sense
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: because you want to vote more bias in the pass,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: which stopping to run with light bodies and light boxes
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: helps you spin and more to defend the past, but
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: they aren't executing that. They cannot tackle the second level.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Of course, having Matt Mlano back will probably change some
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: of these, but Terrell Bernard's played, you know, Taron Johnson.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Not having Taron Johnson is also a big issue because
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: he's also your best tackler.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Bro, So it's ironic they've used more base this year
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to counteract like teams running at him and trying to
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: go heavier. But dude, I literally tweeted at earlier today
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: like which is understandable, right, you want to go big
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: on big, but taking Taron Johnson off the field, you
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: took off your best like box run defender. Even though
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: he's one hundred and ninety pounds, he's their best second
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: level defender at fitting the run and making the tackle.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: So you're you're hurting yourself even though you're going bigger
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: to try and not hurt yourself.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: And the issue, especially if you miss tackles, is because
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: of how fast this Bill's defense flows at the second level.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: If you miss a tackle, it's gonna be an explosive.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: That's the issue for the Bills. It's not just the
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: one yard games turning into five, it's the five yard
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: games turning in the fifteen and the eight yard games
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: turning into twenty because you missed tackles. You have to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: stop the run. That has to be the priority. I
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: get like the passing game hasn't been the pass defense
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: hasn't been that great. You're missing a lot of guys
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: in the secondary, which so effect pass coverage. But you
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: know what else affects pass coverage having to spend eight
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: to nine guys in the box because you can't tackle,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: so you have to stop the run with nine people
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: in the box, and then you take advantage of your
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Davius White because he's in single coverage, so you're the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Bills are having to play with one hand tie behind
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: their back because they can't stop the run out of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: light boxes. When we think about like the great Bills
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: defenses we've seen during this run, they were awesome stopping
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: to run out of light boxes because they were so
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: sure as tacklers. And that could be because the guys
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: who were great then are becoming a little older, could
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: be getting a little more injured. The body. The body
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: blows are starting to pick up a little bit. But
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: you need you need to tackle. And I hate to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: sound like such like a fundamentalist, such a like an
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: old school like football guy, but you really it really
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: does come down to tackling. And that's sort of again,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: excuse my leg. That's a give a shit like you
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: have to. You have to give a bleep as a tackler.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: That's super fair. I my start for the Bills defense.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: I literally put stop that fing run like that was
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: my start. And it's it's everything you said. I'm not
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: gonna drill down too much, but it's and it's also
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: schematic like it's it's multiple guys in the same gap
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: like so cool, like we talked about earlier. Oh you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: got eight guys in the box. Cool, two of them
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: are in the same gap, or you got three. They've
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: had times where like there's three guys in the A gap.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Why what are why is that happening? So you've got
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: guys insane in the same gaps. You got guys getting
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: washed or blown off the ball, even though their yards
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: before contact are not too bad, which is awesome. But yeah,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: you'll have guys in the same gap guys will get
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: blown off the ball, and then your linebackers are getting
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: eaten because they're small and they're having to take on
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: blocks and they're just getting folded and mashed. Like you
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: don't want Terrell Bernard having a battle with guards with regularity,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: like and they're just climbing to the second level and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: crushing him. And then the big one you mentioned it, like,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: so they have to play more single high to win
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: with numbers, Like, if you can't stop the run, you
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: have to bring more bodies either pre snap or post
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: snap into the box, which limits the coverages you can
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: play on the back end and limits the disguises you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: can have on the back end. But what also, so
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: that'll hurt any defense, right because then you're getting siloed
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But it hurts the bills even
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: more because they're starting safeties or Taylor raping Cole Bishop.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: And if you're going single high, one of those guys
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: is your single high post safety, and Taylor rap does
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: not have the athleticism or the range to be the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: single high post safety, and cold Bishop in theory has
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: the athleticism in the range, but he doesn't have the processing.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the eyes and the vision yet to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: really play and hit his angles and hit his spots.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: He's still learning how to play at that level. So
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: you have to play more single high to stop the run,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: and then you're putting those guys in disadvantageous situations on
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the back end, and we're seeing that play out in
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: real time against the run. Like Raps angles with the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: ball are bad because he's coming from depth but doesn't
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: have the speed. Bishop is, you know, struggling with his angles,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: but then also tackling form. Rap is struggling with his form. Rap.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about another point. His falloff for tackling
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: has been crazy and unlike him, I don't know what's happening.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: And then yeah you are. You're thirty second in yards
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: after contact per attempt, twenty sixth in EPA per rush.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: The big one though they've upticked in stuff rate over
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks. They are currently eleventh and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: stuff rate, but it has to be higher. They need
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: more tackles for loss and negative plays. We've talked about it,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: you and I have talked about on the show. Their thing.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: It's not and but don't break. It's like gash or
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: get gashed, like you'll run on the bills for ten
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: or nine or eleven, but then they're gonna get you
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: for minus three, or they're gonna get you for minus two,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna get you into second and ten plus
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: or third and nine plus and try and get you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: off the field that way. Granted, last year they were
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: horrible on third down, especially on third and seven plus,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: but that's a conversation for another time. They're trying to
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: create those negative plays and it's very give and take
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: their issues. The first several weeks they were getting gashed,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: they weren't gashing anyone else. They weren't creating tackles for
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: loss or no gains or stuffs or anything like that.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: They're also not creating a lot of turnovers, which they
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: also relied on heavily last year. But yeah, I'm in
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: I'm a similar alignment. They have to start stopping to run.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Mistackles are a huge point. That's another one of mine
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: that I'm gonna talk about. But even just yeah, schematically
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: and structurally, like you've got guys in the same a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: lot of guys in the same gap. Like last year.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: It was it was a it was a people piece.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: I think more than structure. It was day have the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: horses up front. This year, they're playing unsound like non
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: fundamental football against the run, no matter what numbers they have,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: and so it's just messy individually from a player perspective,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: and then also from a larger grander picture perspective.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: And the thing about unsound football schematically really does make sense,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: especially with the way that the Bills want to play
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: the run, especially as we see teams incorporate motion. We
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: talk about all the time they want to bump a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: guy in and bump a guy out. You can't be
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: unsound up front defending the run if you want to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: try and bump Taron Johnson into the box as a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: nickel like that. Again, that's what happened against Atlanta. All
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: they would do is motion and bump to rel Bernard
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: out of the box. So you end up with either
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Taylor rap spitting down, you'd have Can Lewis in the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: box or at either of those guys alongside Dorian Williams.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: That's asking to get over the head in the run game.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: So I went and looked it up while you were
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: talking about the run game of some of their stematic
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: and structural.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Why why was yelling about the pain, the pain in
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: my heart.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: So when they're defending the run against a light with
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: a light box less than seven defenders, they're giving up
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: six point one yards per carry, which I believe is
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: eighth and eighth highest, six highest in the NFL, point
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: one two epa per carry. But like you said, they're
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: not creating negative plays. They're nine point seven percent stuff
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: rate is twenty second. Now when you go to a
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: stack box, they're creating a lot of chaos when they
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: load up to really stop the run. With numbers, they
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: can create negative plays, but that leaves you susceptible on
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: the back end because you just don't have the horses.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Tied to You want to try and stop the rum
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: with light boxes, but secondary can't tackle and it can't
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: fit the run, so you gotta send everybody into the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: box to account for those guys not being able to tackle.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: But then you don't have the secondary to really play
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: in man coverage or single high situations. So you are
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: really you are really booked into a corner. You are
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: playing with one hand behind your back. So it's as
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: much an x's and o's as it is Jimmy's and Joe's,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: which is why when we led into this conversation, I
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if this like soares itself
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: up this season, because this is more than just like
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: a one person thing.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially too when you go with those single
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: high looks in the heavy boxes, when you have multiple
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: guys in the same gap, if there's a crease, there's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: no layers in the defense to try and stop that guy.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: It's just literally one safety who is the safety, like
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: literal safety, Like he's the one who's got to make
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: that stop. And if he doesn't, which the bill safeties haven't,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: you're in even more trouble. And yeah, it's a I do.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: I do think they in one of my points and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: the continue will you know, potentially help them. But yeah,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see kind of what happens going
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: forward with them, because it's even just from a schematic
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: like everyone for years, you know, you mentioned it, Miami
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: would do it all the time, like jet motion and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: some orbit stuff and force them to bump at the
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: second level because everybody knows what type of front they're
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: going to play in their box structure and all that.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: The one with Atlanta that really got me was and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Bijon's awesome. Right, Like Bijon sick, their offensive line when
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: healthy is sick. They're graded outside zone. And the Bills
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: are terrible at defending outside zone. They've seen it forty
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: five percent of the time this year and they're one
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: of the worst teams against it. So expect more outside
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: zone from a lot of teams. But early on in
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: that game against Atlanta, and I would say, oh, the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: first quarter and a half, and actually was that. It
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: happened on the Bijon touchdown run and on the allergy
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: or touchdown run. I believe they would They ran essentially
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: like the same thing. It was like, here's motion, let's
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: get you to bump down and then we're gonna run
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: weak side zone and they it's from the same thing,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: and it was they just kept doing it. I felt
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: like it was in Groundhog Day. They just kept doing
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the same thing. And I was like, no, like nobody's
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: adjusting yet. To'll be like okay, like let's watch because
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: it's one thing to know it and you just get
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: got right, like Bijeon breaks a tackle or somebody you know,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: you get reached, or Lynstrom makes a great block or
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Matthew Burgern who's playing sweet it makes a block or
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Jake Matthews was healthy at the time, gets
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: you okay, you get got whatever. But it was more like, oh, hey,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: we're stepping over here. Ah, we just got creased. It
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: was like, why is somebody? Why is somebody not aware?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Nobody's on the tablet, the stupid windows tablet, being like, hey, guys,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: they keep hitting us with week Side outside Zone, like
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: they keep hitting it, and it's it's those things added
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: on top of there's just like and I hate saying
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: this because it's it's so like not I don't know
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: if it's it's so nonspecific, but like the there's it
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: just feels like there's something in the water, like and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is because they're failing in
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: all these areas that are uncharacteristic of them. And also
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: like it's just ah, I hate it. I hate it.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it. Let's go to your stop.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: So that was your start, right, they got to stop
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the run?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: My stop was the run stopped?
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Oh literally stop the run? Good? Okay, all right, so
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: I I mind was stopped the run. But I that's
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: funny how you did stop the run. Mine was start
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: stopping the run.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: We're along the same line.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: We're along the same line. Okay. Do you want to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: go from your stop to your start or from your
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: stop to your continue.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to my continue okay, and my continue
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: is continue getting deon walker reps okay. Because with the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: way that the Bills play deefits, they are not a
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: they're not gonna get a bend from around the edge
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: guy that I've wanted the Bills to start one of
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: my We're not gonna get to the start. But one
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: one of the things that I want them to do
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: is just change up the body types on the edge
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: to just give like I think of like a defensive
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: line unit as like a pitching rotation. You can't have
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: five guys who all throw like, who all only throw fast.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: You can have a you can't have a pitching rotation
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: of all knuckleballers.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: Nope, that's not That's not the Bills. They want all
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the give me all the tim wakefields. Yeah, like that
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: that's all they want.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: You're cloning ari A Dickey five times, good knuckleballer reference. Now, yeah,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: you're cloning ari Dicky five times and saying like, yeah,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: we're gonna go win the World Series, and you're you're
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: asking to get shelled because they're gonna see it. You
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: know what's gonna happen. But Dion Walker is a unique
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: guy in that defense because he's so big. Again, you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: assume that he's like gonna win with power, but no,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: he is winning with quickness. He's winning with burst, and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I think that's something that's really needed in the interior
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: that defensive line, especially if you want to rotate at
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Oliver so he stays fresh when you get later on
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: into the season. I think that Dion Walker has been
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: such a revelation this season. I was really worried going
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: into the draft cycle because he just so full disclosure
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: before his before his previous his last season in.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: College, he was season one, he was preseason my preseason
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: number two. We talked about this going I think into
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: the combine last year, we talked about a bunch. That's
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: why I remember how much you liked him.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, and after the Combine I think I had
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: him around like the one hundreds. So it was a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: rough year for him. Of course, he was dealing with injuries.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: He just didn't look healthy. Now that he looks healthy.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: He has shown that he can be an impactful passer,
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: So I want I want the Bills continue to get
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: him those pass rush snaps, especially as they have Rousseau
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: and Atpanza and Joey Bosa sort of crushing the pocket
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: with power. That's going to lead to a lot of
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Dion Walker splash plays. You're gonna lead to a lot
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: of Deon Walker quick pressures because he is so fast
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: for a guy his size. I really do think it
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: catches offensive linemen off guard because it's like, why is
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: this mountain moving so fast? At me?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: His it's very you know what it makes you think
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: of it. You're a Disney guy in the second Mamana
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: when they first think they've come upon multi Fatu, but
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: it's really just the giant clam and the cock more
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: coming out and all of us. Cause you're like they're
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: like we made it and all of a sudden it's moving.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: That's like what it is, Like, why is this mountain moving?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: Oh no, it's a giant clam. This is a problem.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like oh my god, this this they can move
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: and it's like, uh, it's like when you watch like
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: the anime where like you don't you don't think the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: character is fast? And then they show the next frame
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: where the character's like right in front of the main guy.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Yes face. It's like, oh, this guy is a problem.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: So Dion Walker more reps as a pass rusher. I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: want to see him more on the field, and I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: think it makes sense to have him just just immediately
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: just quick pressures, getting that guy with juice on the field,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: especially because the Bills just lack speed at sort of
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: every level of their defense right now. So just getting
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: guys with speed to force quick reactions is going to
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: really help them.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned the archetypes. I alluded to this
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: or in the intro. Yeah they are, you know well
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: so many of the chats said Walkers like Napa from
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Dragon ball Z. That's funny, nice, nice call, Codder, well done. Yeah,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: they're on the interior. Again, this can be somewhat misleading
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: with size, but interior. They just want penetrators. They want
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: to build their entire interior defensive line out of three texts.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Even like and so your point, people see Walker and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, there's the mountain. It's like, nah, he's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: a penetrator. He's a six foot seven, three hundred and
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: thirty plus pound penetrator. That's what he is. Even it's funny.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Daikwon Jones has played very, very good on the interior
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: this year hasn't really gotten talked about, but with Ed
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Oliver being out, they had him playing more three tech
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: and he's been crushing it. He's their starting one tech.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: So even their like truest one tech in Dayikwon Jones
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: is still more of a three tech than he is
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: an actual one tech. So their interior is all especially
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: when they're when they're really cooking and everybody comes back
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: at Oliver, Daiquon Jones, Lario Withen, Joby, t J. Sanders,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: Dion Walker, it's all just penetrators. It's all shooters, gap shooters.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: That's it. Walker's play has been encouraging amongst that. I
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, he's I wasn't high on the pick because
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't like spinal defect. I was like, can you
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: can you heal?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: That?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Is that able to be healed? And I saw that
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: on a dude that was six foot seven playing at
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: three hundred and forty pounds, he just looked like he
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: was in pain. Last year at Kentucky, like he and
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: even within that they're lining him up in like a
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: wide nine and a five teck at times that he's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: beaten dudes off the edge, and I'm like, okay, I
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: get it, like I see it. But I was just like,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: I honestly thought he would essentially take like a red
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: shirt ear and be on the ir And it was like,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: let's see what we can get him and get him
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: healthy and get him to reshape his body a bit
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: and go from there. The splash plays have been awesome.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: You know, you do see the struggles against the run
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: because again, if he's six foot seven, he's not gonna
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: be able to anchor all the time against double teams.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the best change in directions. So if
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: he gets like washed down to your point, he can't
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: like against zone, he can't just sink his hips and anchor.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Like he's kind of like, okay, here we go and
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: he gets pushed out of the way. But you'll watch
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: him hit that quick swim on dudes, and it's been
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: he gets it in the past where I've really noticed
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: it the most gap scheme runs, especially once he realizes
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: like uh oh, the center's leaving or uh oh, this
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: guy's trying to down block me. It's a quick step
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and bang he swims that guard so quickly and he's
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: in the gap. He's did him multiple times in the preseason,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: he's done in the regular season. Yeah, I've been encouraged
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: by his play. And yeah, it's funny how he even
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: I really felt like they were trolling during the draft
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: when because I was just like, yo, give me, like,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: give me a space, heater. I want t Tyleek Williams
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: so bad, and there was like, oh, they traded off
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle in the second round, and it's like, oh,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I know he doesn't offer a lot as a pass rusher,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: but is it out for Collins? They were like no,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: it's t J Sanders and I was like all right.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: And then they took a mountain of a man in
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: the fourth but that mountain was Dion Walker. And knowing
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: that with what they like at edge, which is all
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: power and all compression, Yeah, it's it's funny. And I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: really do wonder like if they von Miller was an
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: outlier because he's von Miller, right, And then the Tyleek
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Williams thing is interesting because he said, you know, the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Bills told him if he was there that was gonna
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: be he was their pick in round one. Obviously he wasn't.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: And then they responded by going with t J. Sanders
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: and Walker, who are very much the antithesis of that
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: type of player. I wonder if we get any archetype
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: chaining in the future for those body types, especially upfront,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Like but they they really do seem very content to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: just continue to run out that mold at edge and
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: on the interior. And again, you know Michael talking to
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Pam like, I'm just gonna date harder, Like that's really
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: kind of what they're leaning into up front. Oh yeah,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: that's a good and and you know they I'm gonna
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: mention this because it ties into my continue. My continue
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: for them is on the defenses, continue to get healthy
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: and get guys back. I know that maybe like a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: cheating kind of answer, but it ties into the Deon
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Walker piece. Dion Walker has been playing like defensive tackle
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: two reps for them. He was supposed to be like
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle four or five, depending on how you view TJ. Sanders,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: Like in a perfect world it was Ed Oliver Daikwon Jones,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: Larry Ogan, Jobe Sanders, and Walker. Walker's been playing like
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: you're starting one tech because of all the injuries they've
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: had on the interior. Daikwon Jones has been your starting
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: three and they've been working that. Jordan Phillips is getting
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: a ton of reps on the interior he should not
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: be seeing and nope, yeah, you're laughing already. You know
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: that should not happen. They've got a bunch of practice
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: squad guys that are seeing reps on the interior like
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: they've just been decimated. They need to get healthy on
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: the interior, need to get healthy at linebacker, like they
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: just need to continue to bring those bodies back. You
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: mentioned Hairston, Like, see what Harston can do as you
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: start to work him in bit by bit. See what
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Milano can look like when he gets worked in. See
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: what Bernard looks like as he can get worked in.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Chef Thompson has been their best linebacker, which is awesome
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: for him, but also, yeah, dude, like, dude, he really
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: like it. He obviously doesn't have the athleticism or he's
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: still playing pretty athletic, which is crazy considering his age
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: and all the injuries to his lower body. But you
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: can just like watch him make these plays and it's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: I remember when he was twenty six years old and
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: like one of the best linebackers in football. Like he
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: just And it's also super cool to see dudes like
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: that who he's in the right place position more often
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: than not because he just knows the game. It's cool
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: to see. I got goosebumps thinking about it. It's cool
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: to see like that dude who's like, oh, he brings
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: the veteran experience. You're like, that's the example. Like he's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: not just all he's veteran experienced. He's been in the
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: league for you know, eight plus years. He's just in
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: the right spots. He knows how to penetrate and when
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: he shoots, it works. Like in coverage he's played well,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: He's played well against the run. So I'm interested to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: see how he fits in with this. But yeah, get
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: healthy at the second level, get healthy in the secondary.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: You get Michael Hoyt back from suspension, you get Larry Ogan,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Joey back from suspension. At Oliver came back against Atlanta.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: He should continue to get healthier. Greg Russau has been
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: injured to start the year. He's gotten better with each
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: passing week. Shocking because he's gotten healthier. Keep Joey Bosa healthy,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: he's actually been pretty good. Wrap him in bubble wrap
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: maybe and keep him healthy and see what you get.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: And then get TJ. Sanders back, you start to work
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: in everybody bit by bit. Daikwon Jones popped his calf
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: before the Atlanta game. That made things worse, But they
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: need to continue to get healthy. Part of which, again
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: tying into what we talked about earlier, they don't have
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: a ton of studs or really any but they've got
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: a bunch of really good players. But a bunch of
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: those really good players are out, and so they don't
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: have the studs to pick up the slack and put
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: everybody in their backpack and carry him across the finish line.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: They need those dudes. They're already starting a little bit
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: behind the eight ball because they don't have those A
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: tier s tier dudes. So having there anybody really, but
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: especially in this quantity and quality, being injured and then
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: having to push larger roles onto depth players is the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: last thing they can afford. And again, like I for
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: the wards that I still think Walker has, he deserves
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: a huge tip of the cap because he's had to
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: play legitimate starter minutes considering what's happened up front, and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: he's performed admirably like he he should not. I'm not
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: saying this is like a negative to him, but he
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: was not supposed to play this much on the interior
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: to start the year. Like we shouldn't have been in
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: that position. Joe Andresen shouldn't be play starting reps for
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: linebacker when they go into three linebacker sets. But they're
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: just banged up where they have to continue to get healthy.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: And honestly, I'm not saying this is like a guarantee
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: and this is the reason for it, Like if you
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: told me they're gonna have a bunch of injuries in
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: October and November, but it means they'll be completely healthy
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: come playoff time. I would be fine being ten and
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: seven and getting into the playoffs and being completely healthy,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: then having the one seed and knowing that four or
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: five important dudes are going to be out.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's the trade off of you know,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: that's always been the Bills thing, and come playoff time,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: they've never been healthy. They've never been one hundred percent
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: going into the playoffs, and that's always been what's kept
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: them away from the Super Bowl. It's nobody's ever been healthy.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: So the spin zone is, hey, maybe all these injuries
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: happen now means they won't happen later on. Yeah, I again,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: I just my biggest worry is speed and team speed.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: If you can get Taron Johnson, if you can get
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Milano and Bernard back, that will help your speed at
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: the second level. You get Harrison back, that should be
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: a boost in the secondary, like you will be a
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: little bit faster. So maybe that just uptick a little
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: bit and just team speed will help the Bills defense
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: kind of shore up some of the inconsistencies of the
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: passing unit. But like you said, they just got to
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: get healthy.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They've got this weird mix on defense where they're
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: like they're not like big and powerful, so you'd think like, oh, okay,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: so that means they're small and fast, but they're like not,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: They're like the medium and slow overall. It's just just
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: weird like like mix of Yeah, like they they they
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: don't have juice, but they usually think like, okay, they
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: don't have juice because they're a bunch of like the
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: they have a Monstars lineup, and it's like, oh, they're
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: like oh, they're the nineties where like, oh, because Levon
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Kirklin is one of your linebackers on these three hundred
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: and twenty five pounds, and it's like, no, it's yeah,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: it's weird, especially on the back end, like I I
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: that's it and that's even it too, Like say, what's
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: really like I'm not putting out there or maybe I
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: am trying to reverse jinx it. Like my biggest fear
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: is everything really falling apart, because then how do you
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: like you have to rebuild everything and that takes years,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Like because you've committed so much to this philosophy and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: this identity defensively from a schematic standpoint, from a coverage standpoint,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: from a roster building body types archetype standpoint, that if
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, are they cognizant enough to realize
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: it's not working out and they can change it? Because
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: you want that. But then also like that's like a
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: two to three year thing, man, Like I think we,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: especially Bills fans, I think got spoiled by like, oh,
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: they rebuilt the entire offense last year and moved to
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: like a condensed formation run the ball team, and we're
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: one of the best offenses and josh Anna won the MVP.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: It's hard to do that. And this is fair comment
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: from the chat saying sunk cost fallacy. Yeah, that's absolutely fair.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: And rather than just to keep sitting, well, we're already
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: spent all this money, let's keep at it. But yeah,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: it's I just want I just need something to work, please,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: And I'm hoping the health. I'm putting a lot of
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: chips into the Michael Hoyt part of the table. I
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: thought he would be a good chess piece for them.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: They need him to be now, Like I really think
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: they need him to unlock a bunch of the stuff
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: they want to do with like overload type stuff or
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: just I feel like he's the And it's funny because
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: he's not that level of player, although I do again,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: you have talk to you about him. Like I loved
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: him with the RAMS. I watched so much RAMS tape
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: because all the dudes that they have that I like,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: and he kept flashing for me. But I really feel
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: like it's the episode four of Star Wars and it's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: like the recording on R two and I'm Princess Leigh
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: and it's like save us, Michael Hoyt, You're our only
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: hope instead of like, O, we want Kanobe. Like that's
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm man at right now, and
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: like he that's not who he is, like he it's not,
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: but what he represents is so much more. I just
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: want to see him at edge. I want to see
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: him in the A gap. I want to see him
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: an off ball linebacker, and I want to see more
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: sims and creepers and everything he can do. And like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: they need him to be like they r J says
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: Hoyt needs to be the second coming of Lawrence Taylor
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: for this team to be elite. At this point. R
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: J is a huge and consistent pessimist, but that was
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: very funny.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: I am less optimistic about Michael Hoyt than you are,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: partially because the last time I saw Michael Hoyt, he
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: was getting routed up by Alman Ross Saint Brown naturally
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: because they were just leave him in coverage all the time.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think the thing. But that's why I
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: don't want to be like he needs to be like
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: just chess piece rusher everywhere.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Chess piece rusher. Mix him in and coverage occasionally. He
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: doesn't need to be your We're in five minute front,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: we gotta drop somebody drum.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: So so help me God if they and I don't
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: think they would do this, but so help me god
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: if they do. Like a Rex Ryan Bills where he
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: was like, hey, Mario Williams, you're gonna be dropping into
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: coverage a ton and they're like, why are you doing
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: that with Mario Williams. He's one of the best rushers
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: in football. Yeah, I want that every once in a
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: while is like the change up or the knuckle to
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, they dropped him into coverage and he
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: was right there. And I don't want him like in
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: coverage like out in the hook curl or like the
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: flat like I want him as like the low hole player.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: I want him get one of those like big guy
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: defensive tackle type interceptions where I was in the like
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: dropping hot bang or you know what, give me, give
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: me that, and then tie him into a nice coffee house.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Oh and just start to play those games. And then
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: even we might slant some dudes and have him come
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: through on the coffee house and he's going in through
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: the far side. B Just like those types of things.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: They they need, they need more of that. In general,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: I just want any I'm just I just want something
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: besides four down rush for I just I'm not asking
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: for the world. Just want some different things up front.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: And yeah, and I feel like again I like Hoy,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: but that's part of my point, Like I feel like
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm it's sad to be like putting so much onto
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: him because I'm like, that's not who he is, Like
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: he can't do that, but I'm hopeful.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: I do want to say one last thing about the
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: Bill's defense is something I've said a lot before on
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: social media. You can't be you can be slow, but
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: you can be big as a defense the Eagles have
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: They're not the fastest team on defense, but they are
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: incredibly big and they can do a lot of different stuff.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: You can't you can be small but be really fast.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: That was like the whole thing about the Cardinals was
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: like they had no size at all, but everybody was
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: flowing to the ball and Buddha Baker was a banshee
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: to an extent. That Texans are not that big, ye,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: but they always want to take somebody's helmet.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Off literally literally that he will will literally do that.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: You can't be both. You can't be slow and small
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: and small. Bills have kind of found themselves in both
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: the slow and small part of defense, and it's really
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: hard to live that way. It's really hard to live with, Hey,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: if we're gonna try and get fast flow and we're
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: gonna try and spin guys into the box late because
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: we know they have the speed to make up for it,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: it's hard to live that way when your safeties aren't fast.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: And it's hard to live that way when you only
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: have two hundred and ninety pound defensive tackles and Deon
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Walker who is more of a three tech because he
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: can't drop his hips. So it's it's hard to live
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: that way. You're making defense harder on himself. But I
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: do think there's an opportunity, there's an area where it
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: might work.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, And you know what the Bill's defense is, and
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I know he has the destructo disc and it's that's baller.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: The Bill's defense is krilling. Yeah, it's this point right now,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: And it's like, you don't want, you don't want, you
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: don't want your whole side of the ball to be krilling.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: It's fine to have a Krilling or two, right, but
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: that's because you gotta have a go Haan somewhere or
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: a Goku or figures got the flare at least once
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: there you go, that's right, and man, but you know
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: what they're their destructo disc is the stuff rate which
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: they need like and then so you just live through
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: the destructo disc and you try and go for their Yeah,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that's what it hit me when you were like, you
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: can't be slow and small and I was like, oh man,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: they're throwing, like that's what we're at. That's what we're
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: at with this defense. Oh no, what's your start?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: My start is start looking for help with team speed
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: at the deadline. And I'm saying team speed in general
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: for this defense and not typically safety because you're not
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: going to find a lot of like instant safety relief
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: at the deadline. Kyle Duggar might be the best option available,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: but he's in the division, probably not going to get
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: traded within the division, and he also is a box safety,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: which doesn't help out where you already lack. Nope, Amani
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: Hooker maybe from Tennessee, you might you might be able
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: to swing that. He also just got I think he
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: just got an extension, so maybe might be might not
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: be a thing. Tony Adams in New York, but again,
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: within a division, you're just the safety options are pretty barren. Now,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: if you want to add in the cornerback room, I
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: think that's a little more promising. Now you might get
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: them overlap with Taron Johnson, especially considering what Taron Johnson does. Now,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: important is the defense. But Alonte Taylor would be really fun.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: My god, he's pure, pure juice and violence. Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: He is the best pass rushing defensive back in the NFL.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah. I feel like he gets like twenty
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: sacks a year. I know, so he goold yeah.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: And it's not just like he's getting all these unblocked
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: buttzes that turn the sacks. He's like hitting dudes with
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: like ghost moves.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, they can dip a dip and rip
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit. It's like, all right, look at you playing.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, let me let me get let's let's get
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: you in a wide. See what happens?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Like you open a two point a wide nine off
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: the line, what you got?
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: What happens? You know the Luannarumo lined up Asky Doolan
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: past ye against the Cardinals. I just want to see
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: something with camp Taylor Bridge. Let's try something. But outside
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: of that maybe Cam Taylor brit as an outside corner
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: if you're if you really feel like taking on like
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: ud uh, he just needs a confidence boost.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Which is crazy because he one of my like not knocks,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: but like I remember when he came out in Nebraska.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I loved him, but I thought he was like too
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: confident in himself to the point that he was like
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: always getting into fights and skirmishes to like, this is
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: the dude who when the Bengals came into Buffalo and
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: beat them in the divisional round. Yeah, the divisional round.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: In the snow first play of the game, he's in
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: press on Stefan Diggs and he jams him and punches
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: him right in the face and then backs up like
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: talking to him, letting him know. And I was like, oh, like,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: look at the swag on this dude, Like he's just
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: feeling it. So it's crazy that right now that he's
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: like lacking that because he's just was all violence and
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: confidence and now it seems like that's gone away.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's part due to the new defense in
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati being more man based. He's not a man corner.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: I think he's an Al Golden Yeah, that's the Al
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: goolon defense. Baby, he is gonna get get in your face,
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: playman coverage. You just gotta beat us, Cam Taylor Britt.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: I think he uses length and he uses his feed well.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: But in zone, I think he's a cover two corner.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: I think he's able to get underneath routes really well,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: which I think will mesh with what the Bills want
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: to do. And again, he just has some more athleticism
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: he can bring to the room.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: And he's a really good tackle. He's a really good tackler,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: real good tackler.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: The last one. I don't know if he gets traded
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: because he might be more of a like we're gonna
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: build with him in the future. But Patricks or Tavia second, Hey,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: you know that'd be great. That'd be awesome if you
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: can swing that. I was gonna say. Roger McCreery from
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: the Titans.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Dude, my man, I love careery coming out.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: He and Taron Johnson might be a little too similar
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: when it comes to size, but that also makes sense
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: because he has unlimited levels of dog in him. Dude,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: he is going to constantly fight for the ball. He's
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: gonna constantly be going after the ball. I sort of
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: before he got traded to the Jets. I sort of
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: hope that the Bills might have made a move for
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: like Jarvis Brownlee.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Dude, you're name and all. I feel like you're in
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: my brain. You're naming all those corners who like I love, yeah, dude,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: and probably played good for the Jets in this a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: little bit that he's better now.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Need some feistiness, something some oomph.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: At the Cats, get us and jam him and beat
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: the hell out of them.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you're gonna play a pass rush unit
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: that wants to get late pressure, their getaffs aren't that fast,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: but they want to collapse the pocket if you can.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: If you get late pressure and you also play off
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: coverage and zone.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Dude, you're yep, yep.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: That's not a great way to play defense. You have
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: to you have to go and get in somebody's face.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: You gotta go and try and slow down the tempo
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: of an offense. So I think they need guys that
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: are willing to They're willing to put hands on a
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: received line of scrimmage. You gotta you gotta be a
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: little physical. Put some, get a little grimy, get some,
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: get some dirt on the jersey at at corner, So
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: those are the guys. Really, this was just to give
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a primer for what bills fans
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: can expect at the deadline if you're looking for secondary help.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Like I said, corner is much more, much more of
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: a thing than safety because you're not really gonna find
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of safety help this year.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's uh satan. I'm hoping, like with the
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: safety room, the call is coming from inside the house
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: and it like wrap just I just need wrap to
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: be improve is tackling like. But I'm also I didn't
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: have a high bar for the safety room, so I'm
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: not saying like and then everything will be fine. It's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: still not gonna be good, but that should help things
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm even to the point now where
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I'm like through it. Let's throw Jordan Hancock out there
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: and see kind of what we can get. Or Jordan
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Poyer didn't look terrible last week, let's see what he
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: can do. Ha ha ha, But yeat, I mean getting
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: a safety in this grouping is tough. I loved so
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: many of the corner names that you put there. Corner
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: for me is murky with them, because I feel like
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: you need someone ideally to start ahead of Trey White,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: but then you also want to bring in Harston along slow.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: But then you also needed to be someone that is
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: okay maybe being corner three next year, or is on
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: an end of their deal this year and is okay
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: not starting the whole year, and then maybe does that
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: hurt them going into free agency a little bit? So
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: like I feel like, because like their answer at corner
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: two should be Max Hairston, but if he's not ready
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: this year, that's fine, but he's the corner next year,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: so you could This isn't like a when they got
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Rasoul Douglas it was like oh sweet, and then he
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: can start for them the next year too.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: You can't. You don't.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: You're not a trade for Ristull Douglas because you got
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: your starters next year. Are Benford and Harriston in theory
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: or they should be? But man, I would love I
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: every name, so many of the names you mentioned. I
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: was such a fan of the real I. It's so
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: annoying too that like it's like, oh, well, they can't
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: just get a corner like of course, like that's kind
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: of what they need, but they also like can't kind
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: of get it. But they also Cook, it's just so frustrating.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: And when you were saying, like they need somebody to
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: start right now in case Harrison isn't ready. But understand
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: that Harrison is the guy moving forward again Cam Taylor
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Britt finally un of his contract.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Right, That's what I'm saying, Like, that's why I think
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: he's the perfect He tackles, he's a competitor. I hate
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: every saying this. So many people say, but dog all day.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: But like he can play the carbages they want to play.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: He can tackle, and then yeah, he could ball out
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit honestly, probably still at worst work in
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: a rotation with Harriston down the stretch or I don't know.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Let's also not forget too like Harston. Harriston didn't even
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: play preseason games. He didn't even really get any time
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: in camp. So like he's not here.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: Throwing him frying pan into the fire, You're throwing him
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: like fire frying pan into a volcano.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't even like he's like, wow, this is
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: really hot? Is that lava? Like that's exactly where he's at.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: And so he could be completely healthy, No, brace, everything
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: might look good this week, he might not be like
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: ready to go for several weeks. Man, that's going to
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: piss off a lot of Bills fans because they think
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: McDermot do just want to play rookies. But yeah, like you,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: you could bring in Cam Taylor Britton. At worst he's
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: starting into the middle of November, or they're kind of
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: platooning a little bit. I would. That's why I think
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: Cam Taylor brit is so perfect because he fits like
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: that contract situation, but I think he also fits stylistically
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: and schematically. And also I watched so much of his
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: tape when he was coming out of Nebraska, and I
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: was such a fan of his, So yeah, I would, Uh,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: I would absolutely take that. Oh I like those a lot.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: What did I what is my Oh? My stop is yeah,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: because I did start at to continue. Oh yeah, my stop.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: I tied it into the run. My stop was just
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: missing tackles. Stop missing tackles. Like That's where I'm at.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: And I just had some more stats with that. I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: mentioned the yards ever contact for rush, which is terrible.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: The Bills are also fifth in rush yards over expected
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: per rush. They also have the second most runs of
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: ten or more yards allowed with thirty one. And then
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: here's some fun safety stats, which are also painful. There's
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: eighty seven qualifying safeties. Okay, Cole Bishop is seventieth in
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: mistackle rate at eighteen percent. He's got six missed tackles.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Taylor Rap, out of those eighty seven safeties, is eighty
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: fourth in mistackle rate. Do you want to guess his
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: mistackle rate?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: Oh god, it's gonna be something brutal, is it. I'll
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: be into like sure fired double digits. Yes, oh lord?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Fifteen twenty five percent.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's missed eight.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Tackles twenty five percent miss tackle rate for Reference. This
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: is even crazy, and this is why I won for
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Reference last year. Three. So he's missed eight tackles this
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: year already through six games. Last year he missed three
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: the entire year. His miss tackle rate last year was
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: three point six. His miss tackle rate the year before
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: was four point seven. He his calling card has been
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: being a sure sound tackler. He's never been the most
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: fleet of foot, he's never been rangy, he's never been
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: super athletic, but he's always been a sure tackler. And
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: for people who say, like, oh yeah, because he always
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: played in the box, nah, last year he was primarily
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: a deep safety for the Bills, which was more frustrating
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: because it was like he has he's not that guy,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: how is he playing that? But he's great coming from depth, angles, pacing, form,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: all of it. So it's not like all, of course
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: he has a good tackle, right because he's already by
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: the box. No coming from depth. He was so good
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: and sound in LA. With the Bills, he's fallen off huge.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, they just it's it's I don't want to
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: say it starts with their safeties because they're on the
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: back end, so it really starts up front. But yeah,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: stop missing tackles. Also, start stopping the run. You can
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: flip whichever. I didn't know which like this would. The
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: start and stop were really hard for me because like
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: I can manipulate him anyway I want. I also want
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: them to stop playing so much spot drop zone coverage
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: and or start being better at it. Like it's just
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen guys cover grass so much in the
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: NFL that I have this year, and guys just seemingly
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: getting lost. That's another one too, where like some there's
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: there's just some disconnect on the back end because there's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: just there's so much space between the second and third level,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: and there's so much space across the second level in
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: the curl flats, hook curls everything. Guys are just not
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: aligned and guys are just Oh we saw it with
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Drake London. But then also that game plan was terrible.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: What does Drake London eat spot drop zone? What should
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: we do against Drake London not play spot Okay, well
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna play a bunch of spot drop and then
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: guess what happened They played a bunch of man in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: the second half and it got better. Who would have thought.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I wonder if the spot drop zone prevalent is because
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: they just don't have the guys.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: That's why might have theat is because I want them
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: to play. I want more man but an ideal world,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: give me more zone match. It could be a true
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: man match, it could be zone match whatever, right, But
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's Do they think, Okay, that's
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: more complex, we have to have a ton of rules.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: We don't want to have that, Or is it we
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: don't think rap can match with dudes. We don't think
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Trey White can match with dudes. We might not think
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: cold bitchup Bishop. He was kind of a bit noch
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: cold Bishop can match with dudes like that. I think
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: is fair too. And then also this is a good
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: coming from Charles who says no speed ant they're scared
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: to beat deep. That's also part of too. They're so
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: focused on keeping a cap on everything and keeping everything
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: in front of them. I don't think they want to
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: give the opportunity of like, okay, zone match or any
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: type of match turns into man and we got individuals
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: carrying guys vertical, and I think they're fearful of that.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's an excellent point from you, JP, and
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: probably very plausible.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I do think it's got a large part to do
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: with the fact that they just they don't have their
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: guys back there, and so when you're missing a whole
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of guys who don't really have enough reps communicating
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: with each other. I remember a couple of years ago
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: in Vegas for the Super Bowl, I asked Dane Jackson
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: and Lamar Hamlin. I asked them how they were so
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: good at matching coverages and passing passing route combinations off
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: to each other. It's like, Yeah, it's just communication. It's
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: we rep these all the time, and so it's just
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: basically like a mind meld, we know like, all right,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: we'll pass this guy here if he does this, and
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: I'll come do that if he does this. Now, they
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: don't have those guys that have that experience. They don't
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: have a lot of guys who can match coverage. And
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: also you don't have the linebackers with Milano out, with
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: Bernard out, you don't have like you don't want to
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: put Dorian Williams and Shaq Thompson scenarios where you have
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: to match coverage with a number two on the back
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: side of quarters, Like that's going that's going to end poorly.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: So I think carry carry the three vertically, like.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: You're not asking Dorian Williams to carry three verticals the
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: final three. I think when they get their guys back,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: I hope they'll do them a little more match coverage
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: because that's something that the Bills were known for a
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: lot of. But I do wonder if it doesn't come back,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: is that just because they don't have the speed.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: And that that's like the that's the annoying thing in
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: my brain because I'm like, is it the horses or
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: do they not want to do that in general? Because
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: I just again I refuse to believe that they brought
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: in a man coverage specialist, Mike Pellegrino, who was man
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: all day for New England for years and years and
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: years and years. I refuse, I refuse to believe they
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: didn't bring in him, plus Ryan Nielsen up front to
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: not be like, we're gonna bring more five man pressures,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do more creative stuff up front, We're gonna
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: do more sims and creepers and play more man or
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: match or whatever in some capability, Like, yeah, I wonder,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: And that's what part of me was like thinking of
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: working that into one of the stops and working that
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: into a start and then just combining stopping the run
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: of missing tackles on into one. But I didn't because
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: of literally exactly what you said, like that variable, like
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: I I don't know if they even want to start that,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: because I don't know if they think they have the
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: guys to start it, which is goes back to roster
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: building and archetypes.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: That's a bigger issue that can't be solved this season.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Correct correct, And that takes me. I'm just gonna go
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl again and find all these dudes
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: that I love and be like, man, these guys are sweet,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like, man, bills are gonna take any
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: of these guys. Yeah, do you have any like six
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: foot five slow power guys. Where are they? Oh they're
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: over here. Okay cool, let me go watch those guys.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me find let me find all your finest
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: speed to power guys.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: Not even speed to power. It's just power. Like like
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: I was just saying length to power. Yeah, power to power.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: That's it. Like there's I would cancel saying like I
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: would kill for speed to power, like anything that has
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: speed in it, Like, give me that.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: I just you just want you just want a car
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: that can get get a little bit. You want a
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: car that goes zero to sixty a little faster. Yeah,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: well you want to push the speed limit a little bit.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: And the Bills don't have anybody that's really pushing the
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: speed limit.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: No, we're just driving on a just the Toyota Prius
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  Speaker 1: of a defense.
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying, they're driving hummers.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's even better. Yeah. I was thinking
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  Speaker 1: just like a but on the edge, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On the edge and on the interior.
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  Speaker 1: If you put an Oliver, if.
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  Speaker 2: You gave if you gave ed Oliver a Jeppenesa's quick power,
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  Speaker 2: or if you gave a Japanese at Oliver's like lateral quickness,
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  Speaker 2: that would be so much, that'd be so cool. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but just again, Sean McDermott and this team have a type.
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  Speaker 2: They have a guy that they like, and it's cool
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  Speaker 2: to have your guys. But sometimes you gotta go away
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  Speaker 2: for the knuckleballer. You gotta go find Somebodyel third ninety five.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you can't. Just yeah, yeah, I don't even I
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  Speaker 1: have so many thoughts going through my head and they're
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  Speaker 1: all just frustrating. But the Bills have been in dire
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  Speaker 1: straits before, seemingly at bie weeks. They've looked ugly at times,
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  Speaker 1: and they've seemingly year in and year out, find a
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  Speaker 1: way to win the division, get to the final four
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  Speaker 1: in the conference or championship game. We'll see what they
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  Speaker 1: could potentially do coming out of this buy and going
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  Speaker 1: through twenty twenty five. JP Anny, I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I thought we'd end earlier than we're at right now.
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  Speaker 1: Actually have some price actually not no, yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of no actually this is kind of shorter for
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  Speaker 1: what we normally do, so we actually did well. Any
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  Speaker 1: final thoughts on anything, it could be on the bills,
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  Speaker 1: it could be on the entire league, or if you want.
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  Speaker 1: As I mentioned DNDI intro, you have moved onward and
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  Speaker 1: upward in your career, so feel free. The floor is yours.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever you want to talk about, plug anything and everything.
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  Speaker 1: You're awesome.
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  Speaker 2: The floor is yours, so real quick before I tell
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  Speaker 2: you guys where you can find me. Also, just thank
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  Speaker 2: you again, thank you for giving me the platform to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the bills. The bills should more than likely
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  Speaker 2: and probably will be fine. Like this, the AFC is
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  Speaker 2: not in a state where like there's just one dominant
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  Speaker 2: team and.
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  Speaker 1: That everybody everybody vulnerabilities.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody can get got at any time. And when you
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  Speaker 2: have Josh Allen an offensive line that they do, it
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  Speaker 2: gives you a wide margin for air to give yourself
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  Speaker 2: less of a chance of getting God, I do think defensively.
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  Speaker 2: When you get the guys back, we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: If it looks sort of similar. Once the guys get back,
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  Speaker 2: then there will be problems. But everybody, just like, calm
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  Speaker 2: down for now, like it's okay when people get healthy.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see what happens from there. But you can find
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  Speaker 1: Your journey has been awesome to track. I remember I
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  Speaker 1: You are awesome and I'm really happy to see the
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  Speaker 1: growth that you've had. And again, thank you for taking
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  Speaker 1: so much time to sit here and wax poetically about
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  Speaker 1: why things are terrible for the bills, but also maybe
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  Speaker 1: not so bad and why things could be okay, especially
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