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Talks to Jack Shanahan about his choice of The Husbands of River Song · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt penknife, or the Doctor
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  Who come true podcast. My name is Chad.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  And who are you? I'm EJ fault.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Do other people do the intro? Yeah.
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  Might everyone do? I'll my Toby.
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  Hey, don't do it. I've met Gary Russell.
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  Do it every fucker on this thing.
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  As managed to say, I'm super blunt penknife.
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  Okay, here was me thinking all Look, we're breaking tradition
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  were breaking convention, but only just, it's nice to hear you
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  say though. I yeah, I know, I know, maybe
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  it's just because on I'm just used to on 91 being the one to
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  say and then I'm used to hearing you say, welcome back to a
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  hamster. With a blunt, penknife suck one
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  up because it's been, it's been a little while since we've done
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  a 91. Can you just turn on intros?
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  Well please, I'm sure she'll for that.
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  Merry Christmas to all of you at home.
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  I don't think I had who has it. Go again.
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  Hello and welcome to the gnomon. Be praised, I'm Jack.
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  And I'm Joe. It's like it's like a crossover
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  episode, but it's still just us. It's it, it's all to podcast
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  fornicating. My God.
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  Here we go. It's a beautiful thing.
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  Beautiful. You love to see it happen?
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  Well, I mean, the thing is, is that both on hamster and on I'm
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  on they usually ten minutes of waffle, the beginning.
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  Ask Jealousy indeed, indeed, indeed, what could waffle it is
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  all I'm going to say to you. So it's been like about five
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  hundred episodes. Now since you last appeared on
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  how to book. And that's not because that
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  isn't because I wanted you on how to apply this one is because
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  you've been extremely busy, you know, that's right.
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  Doing actually things as well as work-related things and social
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  things, but also we have had our own podcast as well, which is
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  pretty, which is where you and I have been together.
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  Indeed, indeed, it's It's generally one of the sad things
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  that I didn't get to do as much of this year because I just got
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  so busy doing, you know, working full-time and doing local
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  theater in the after, in the evenings that I just didn't have
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  time to watched watched Doctor, Who, and even more.
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  So it's great to be back. Can I ask you to do something
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  then? Because it's probably been about
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  six, seven months since we've released an I'm on episode and I
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  don't know how many People that listen to hamster that listen to
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  No One. So would you please do some
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  marketing and tell everybody listening to this about the 91
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  be Pros podcast. So you're on and what it's all
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  about. Well you can jump in at any
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  time. If I start pitching it badly,
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  then I won't be praised is the Doctor Who podcast by Joe Ford
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  and Jack Shanahan who have been at who been added together since
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  the very beginning. If, and if you want, what?
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  More kind of ambiguous kind of waffling like that.
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  You just need to hop over to another podcast because it goes
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  on for much longer than this. But like unlike ham star, it's
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  not commentaries. We have long.
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  It's actually very, very, very long, very unedited
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  conversations about, basically, whatever do Doctor, Who episode.
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  We want, we want to talk about. And, you know, I think one of
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  our recurring, Jokes. Is that will go?
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  Yeah, we're going to talk about this next week, and we
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  definitely don't actually follow up that.
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  We just choose something else. Wait, we were talking about
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  during the long game for about a season and a half and there was
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  someone who commonly wasn't it? So, when you guys can do the
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  long game who we haven't named Roger, but we didn't know his
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  name was Roger. And then eventually we did talk
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  about the long game but we decided to just do a 5 minutes
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  55 seconds segment, at the beginning of an episode I do you
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  remember about that I do now? I do know because that's you're
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  describing that us like we definitely did.
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  Talk about the love game but General, we cover some fun
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  subjects and we we did the trial of Steven Moffat, which went to
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  five and a half hours long. Well, apparently the the name of
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  be praised is very big and it wasn't Ohio, Ohio.
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  O people of Ohio. Thank you for listening to the
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  night, won't be pressed. Yeah.
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  Jimmy, when we remade Dimensions In Time?
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  How could I forget? That was what the best things
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  that ever happened, in my chili, you also mr.
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  McCoy, still sounds like a do. Yo, man, you know, and which you
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  never fail to remind me about with it.
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  It is Li me. I'm very difficult to get 200 of
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  ha. Ha ha, we've had a lot of, and
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  just to say, we're not going anywhere.
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  We are sort of, on, we're on our 1985 Hiatus at the moment,
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  whilst we're busy with us. Other things but we are
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  definitely planning on getting back to it.
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  Indeed indeed my sky think our schedules of code to be slightly
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  nicer. Yeah.
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  I what do you say? On this bit of the cool things
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  with you. The constant erupting being
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  polite. No, I was gonna say this isn't
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  necessary. I mean not the first time I've
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  been back since the very beginning of hamster, since I
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  was your second guess? Yeah.
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  I did one, we've won with Joe list and then I did the brain of
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  morbius, a few straight after. That's right.
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  Eye is what I just learned that I morbius shall return from the
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  grave, you know? I could always so Pilots
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  couldn't, I don't be fresh flowers, but I was going to say,
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  you know, I've been away for quite a while but that's not for
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  lack of trying, no Jack. And I recently recorded a
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  two-and-a-half hour long commentary on the Steven Moffat
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  enormous success was called again.
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  Well, not in time and the doctor falls.
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  That's right. And boy, a boy that was the most
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  wonderful recording that only half exists.
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  I forgot to press record my end. So my father recording will
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  never ever be heard but Jack smarts wit and Charisma are
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  there for posterity. Yeah, I still I still maintain
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  that. You should record the Coventry
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  with somebody else and just say I'm there and then you can just
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  edit me in and it's like I was that I was never absent which
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  you know, like my overall fryers.
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  Done has been in this situation where it's been half recorded
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  and he has literally taken the other half of the recording and
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  then recorded his bits into it. Well, if you think I'm doing
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  that for two and a half hours, wow, you got nothing.
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  I think I will do again in six months.
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  I forgot what we said. I that's right.
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  I was not accounting for the human cost involved in this.
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  We could do it, but should we I don't know.
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  Do I have on it right? That that I have you done
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  Genesis of the Daleks? Yeah, I have now.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's good recording as well.
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  You know what six partners are hardly, you know, six Partners
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  when you have to try because you kind of you kind of get it all
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  out in the first couple of episodes about the regulars and
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  about the guest stars and it sets in the direction on all of
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  this. And then you've got four
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  episodes, you gotta feel somehow Is it is it part 5 is part 5
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  tricky? Yeah, usually six.
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  Good. It's wrapping things up sort of
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  the pace picks up and because I mean, when I did space museum,
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  no space museum. The sensor is with Gary Russell
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  and come if so free. We were so lucky in in things to
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  say I've just started interviewing him about his
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  career for the other four episodes, which is much more
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  interesting than the sense for us.
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  I'm sure that's actually quite an interesting commentary, track
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  them with that pretty well Jack. What are we talking about today?
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  What I chosen for us? I so, this is very nice.
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  Bang on the money for us. This is almost nine minutes into
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  into the track before. We actually even announced the
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  title. Whoo, good gone us.
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  We are here to talk about the series dying.
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  Christmas special, the husbands of River Song.
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  Well, try territory here for me or I've got Steven Moffat.
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  We've got River Song. Clara.
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  Now, we haven't got her in this. Okay, no Clark car is gone but
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  we still, we have for. We do have Matt Lucas who you
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  did come to like, but not in this story.
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  But I think this is pretty good. Actually, you know, and I think
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  this age H is a lot better than some of the Christmas specials.
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  I'd say, sorry, I think, I think on on, on first broadcast, I
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  mean, obviously the ending with River and the doctor where I
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  think went down quite well, but you know, the early stuff with
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  the kind of sort of panto. Farcical stuff at the beginning.
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  Was it was a bit kind of oh it's just dr.
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  Whooping really kind of camping. Silly, I think we can't deny
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  that. It is no no.
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  It would be wrong of us to deny that it's marvelous.
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  But I think I've seen over the years.
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  I've seen it creep up on people's favorite Christmas.
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  Special, this quiet. Yeah, me too.
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  Where does social rank? For you then in the the plethora
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  of Christmas specials a plethora.
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  I think we've got a whole season Christmas specials at this
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  point. We're not sure.
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  I'm not sure be my number one bury my, their fair, share the
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  Christmas specials. I do need to re-watch.
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  I was actually thinking putting on the runway broke the other
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  day. I would say, I would say, I
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  would put it in my top and the upper end of Christmas specials.
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  Probably in the top five at least.
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  So what off the top of my head, what else would I put there?
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  I know, we're never gonna see head ahead.
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  I 2i head-to-head on it. Eye-to-eye In A Christmas.
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  Carol, A Christmas Carol? Yeah, I please, please.
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  Please. Don't kill me.
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  Christmas Invasion would probably be there.
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  Yeah, as well. Last Christmas.
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  Definitely your last Christmas, right?
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  Probably both of snowmen. I do.
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  I was thinking the Snowman. I do actually have a bit of a
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  soft spot for the next Doctor actually.
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  Oh, really yeah. So yeah, some bits of that.
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  I've got a bit of a soft spot for voyage of the Damned.
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  Yeah, I mean it's kind of irresistible.
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  You got the Titanic in space and then I'll even are.
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  Yeah, I'm Kylie. But what more on average
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  nowadays, I think I am or towards the Muppet Christmas
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  specials than the rusty. Davis ones are don't think I'd
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  ever say that. What did I lose it?
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  Every why do you think that? Oh well yeah for a split second
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  I think Rusty Davis has like trappings of Christmas and just
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  tells a story. Whereas I think Steven Moffat a
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  she leans into the idea of a Christmas special and makes the
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  Christmas elements part of the plot.
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  So obviously A Christmas Carol is the Dickens story but told in
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  a The Sci-Fi setting doctor the Widow and the Wardrobe is
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  obviously telling The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe or
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  elements of it like last Christmas has Father Christmas,
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  That's essential character and fuck me to be managed to get
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  away with that. I don't know quite how he
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  managed it but he did. Yeah.
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  I the the thing II think you get particularly around from time of
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  the Capaldi Christmas specials Wow, is, I think certainly in
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  Lost Christmas and husbands or there's a theme attic attempted
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  a loose kind of thematic linked with the idea of a Last
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  Christmas. I think he tries to get into
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  that kind of that family, Melancholy, that can sometimes
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  around Christmas of. You never know if this is maybe
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  the last time you'll gather as a family for Christmas and then
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  the next time someone is gone. And I think, you know, this
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  whole idea of every Christmas is last Christmas which is Central
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  to the love to last Christmas. Is actually named called right
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  at the end of this episode. The husbands of river song, I
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  think about the egg. She says, every Christmas is
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  last Christmas. Yeah.
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  Well, I mean it's because somebody who lost his mother in
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  December like that has some resonance you know and well in
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  Christmas Carol he has that line.
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  Doesn't it halfway out of the dark?
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  He's a waste trying to make some kind of impact or statement
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  around Christmas. I don't know.
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  I just feel like Like I just feel like he leans into the
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  Christmas in a very common special, more than rushing over
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  start something and obviously Chris chibnall ignored it.
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  All together Christmas don't don't he don't occur in the
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  ship. No era.
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  Everybody's hung up over New Year's Day yeah fighting Daleks
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  usually all about But yeah. Well, let's see that again.
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  Get into it. We should probably get into it.
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  Yes we might have a little bit of lagging because I've got a
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  few internet issues today. I'm going to try and edit around
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  it if I can but please please be patient with us.
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  If if one of us sounds like we're going for a Time Warp, but
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  listeners of the nine will be praised.
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  This will not be an unusual experience especially the early
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  days. When Jax had lucky was recording
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  in the toilet was I actually I can't remember.
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  It was it was entirely due to my technical ineptitude.
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  That was all well, Jack look. I think it's funny if we say
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  that a toilet, oh my god. I've got I've got something
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  occurring now BBC iPlayer. Fortunately, a jack.
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  I can edit around all of these bits, so don't worry, I'm
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  getting quite good at this now, but we going when we go in icon,
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  okay? All right.
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  So, Jack, would you like to count us in?
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  Absolutely ready to go in three, two, one.
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  Yeah. Okay, this is a beautiful
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  special effects shot. Isn't it a straight in?
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  I know, immediately cracked by one of the silliest looking
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  sources you'll ever get in Doctor Who why are you talking
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  about it? So proper flow and salsa.
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  I, well, you know, if you're going to go big, go big on
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  Christmas day. Well, did I want this street
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  that they make? Is this the Trap street from
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  face the Raven? I'm pretty sure it is.
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  It looks it's again, pretty narrow pretty low lighting.
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  I think they've just added some snow and some Christmas lighting
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  and that's about it. And so sort of Christmas fronts,
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  you know, some shim Christmassy shops Did you see what is it
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  there on? The Todd is Carol Singers like a
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  crystal? Yeah, I really like the
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  implication that that implies that there have been multiple
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  Christmas. Carol has knocking on the door
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  and Peter Capaldi just doing it. I don't know.
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  I'm Malcolm Tucker at them. Just go.
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  Fuck off. Go away.
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  It's got a square. That's the same reindeer.
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  Is that wolf had in turn left? You know.
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  Yeah, but that but the Holograms I.
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  So this is the first time we meet Matt Lucas.
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  And, you know, I remember when they announced that Matt Lucas
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  was coming back. Not, it wasn't quite announced
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  as a companion, but as a recurring character and I do
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  remember at the time, you were like, what on Earth are they
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  doing that? Of all the characters of all the
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  guest stars, they're getting this character back.
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  Well, the thing was in The Runaway Bride?
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  Okay, they take Donna Noble and journey.
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  So, and she starts off as just like crazy Howard, and that, by
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  the end of it, they've given her a bit, a new ones, and a bit of
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  depth. And I can say, okay, yeah, you
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  could make a companion out of this character.
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  Well, they ain't doing that with Matt Lucas in this.
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  I'll buy Not at all. And certainly when you get to
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  series 10, the care if like there is a you could call it a
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  recalibration of the character that if you know, not all has
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  this kind of like goofy act that conceals an intelligence, but
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  that is absolutely not how the characters being written here.
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  The character in the husbands of River Song is 100% of Comedy
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  stooge purpose in this, I still don't quite For these purposes,
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  he just there to be a music, I think so.
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  All right, I think he's kind of, well, in terms of his plot
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  function, he's kind of their to mistake to kind of get the
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  incident, the ball rolling because, you know, you have that
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  thing where he gets the wrong doctor, we just had that bit.
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  Whether the surgeon walks past go, are you in need of a
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  surgeon? Which is a very, you know,
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  farcical comedy writing beat that mop.
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  That would be very familiar. With so he's here to kind of get
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  the Miss out, misunderstanding in the plot going, but beyond
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  that, not a whole lot other than standing around looking doing
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  that Luca sounds which you know his father itself, okay?
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  I've got to ask you about this straightaway.
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  So what do you think about this whole River Song?
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  Doesn't know who the 12th doctor is.
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  So the 12th doctor is forced into the role of river songs,
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  companion pretending that he doesn't know who she is.
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  I mean to some to some extent. If you push it to my art, if you
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  push it too hard, it all falls apart.
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  They there is a certain logical Breaking Point with it, but it
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  it it I think it gets away with it on two factors.
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  Namely, that it does. Try to address Why Try it does
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  try to present a plausible reason.
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  Why River doesn't know who the Twelfth Doctor is.
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  And also, And an old. But it's also coasting on the on
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  the fact that it is just very fun.
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  Seeing Peter Capaldi playing second.
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  Figure out the second fiddle to Alex.
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  Kingston is entire Christmas special with sold on the
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  chemistry between Peter Capaldi and Alex Kingston, which is
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  palpable and you certainly prefer Alex Kingston here, then
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  necessarily opposite Matt Smith. I think after sonnets lie before
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  us the dead, this is my favorite River Song episode.
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  Yeah, because it's not all about her being a mystery.
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  It's not all about. She's not like a plot function
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  in this. She is just a really Savvy,
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  really smart, very funny character.
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  That just so happens to have this glorious romance with the
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  12 doctor. I mean, if you would have said
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  to me, yeah, that after all of those, Matt Smith episodes with
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  Alex, Kingston that Peter Capaldi would come in, and the
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  most romantic seats between the doctor River would be the 12
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  doctor. I laughed in your face.
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  I think I think you didn't believe it did.
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  It really, really works. Like when he saw her a minute
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  ago, he's beaming from ear to ear.
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  I mean it's a bit ghoulish when it Smiles, if I'm honest.
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  Don't you think? I do remember, though?
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  Certainly at the time, this was coming out because Rivers story
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  had in a way been, I mean, it's always been catty.
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  Capped off since it does begin at its end but the last time she
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  had appeared in Doctor, Who was in the name of the doctor which
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  was kind of an epilogue to a story for in where it was, It
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  was kind of her day to ghost after the events of Silence in
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  the library and it works as an ending for her.
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  So there were I do remember there was some people going.
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  I think I think you might have been one of those people at
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  times. Like do we re case half of the
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  house? Opened unhappily required.
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  No, that was definitely me. And for every time River Song,
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  popped up again, I was like really we still doing this.
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  Well boy, did I eat some Humble Pie by the time I got to the end
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  of this episode. Aha, but it did.
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  I do, remember you saying, at the time you weren't necessarily
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  fan of all this kind of, this kind of mucking about at the
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  beginning but you seem like you seem a bit more on board now a
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  days. I think am I wrong?
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  I think when they go onto the spaceship in the second half of
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  the episode. Yeah.
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  Pretty much from that point on this is that the episode is
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  gold. It is brilliant lines.
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  It's great plot inversions Has that special effects are great,
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  but most importantly, that sinful relationship, like,
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  although I always think Moffat hits when it comes to the
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  relationship staff and when it comes to sentiment, but he Taps
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  into something, very, very moving in this episode and I
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  think the second half of this is really great.
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  Yeah. The first off, it is very fast
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  acylase a bit shouty. Although I realize shouty
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  comedy, you got Greg Davis stomping about being very shouty
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  and I just don't find that very funny.
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  It's not wrong with me. Yeah.
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  No, not necessarily. It is definitely a taste thing.
• 23:28
  And, you know, sometimes shouting comedy can be
• 23:32
  delightful and hysterical and Peter Capaldi, you know, got
• 23:36
  earned his comedy, you know, a claim on one of the shouty is
• 23:41
  Combi characters ever committed to British television but it's
• 23:46
  it's all in the Precision. It's all in the in the in the
• 23:49
  detail of the brush Strokes. Whereas you know, so stuff like
• 23:52
  this is he's very broad. So delightful, oh, after three
• 23:58
  incredibly heavy episodes face the Raven heaven-sent and he'll
• 24:03
  been where, you know, he's angry and I bit psychotic by the end
• 24:07
  of that season. It's so nice to see him having
• 24:11
  fun. Yeah, because that um, that tail
• 24:15
  end of series 9 is, and I mean, this for the character is quite
• 24:21
  publishing. Yeah, but I can also, but
• 24:24
  certainly by the time you get to hell-bent, there are some people
• 24:27
  who are like know, this genuinely is quite punish you
• 24:30
  can watch, I'll tell you what the it's worth going through.
• 24:38
  I think going through is really fun and I know you're going to
• 24:40
  celebrate the bit where he goes, into the told are so brilliant.
• 24:43
  Conan. So that the artist for the first
• 24:45
  time if it is worth, going through all of this sort of, she
• 24:49
  doesn't know who he is for the moment when she does realize who
• 24:53
  he is. And that I'm tired.
• 24:55
  That is one of the best moments in the entire Steven, Moffat era
• 24:59
  definitely. It's what it what makes
• 25:01
  everything work. But I was actually going to ask
• 25:06
  are you do you actually like Greg Davis in this episode?
• 25:10
  Not really? No, not really.
• 25:13
  Ali. I just don't think there's much
• 25:15
  character there. So I really get the character.
• 25:18
  He's just he's basically like the graph into K.
• 25:20
  Isn't he from repulsed? Pretty much I know you're about
• 25:26
  to say the Quran Allah asked me like, like the graph indicate
• 25:31
  was very shouty and pompous and warlike and a bit useless as
• 25:37
  well. I mean, I caught this quick
• 25:38
  work, you know, you can take his head off from things like that.
• 25:40
  I've asked wife visually quirky, it is very funny to like see all
• 25:47
  the excuses. They tried to find to remove the
• 25:51
  head and then immediately Music. We put it on this in like they
• 25:58
  put him on a table they've come up with a very odd configuration
• 26:02
  in the Tardis that has never been seen before, and it just
• 26:05
  makes me laugh to think I'll do. The rest of Greg Davis, is
• 26:09
  incredibly enormous body is just being filtered through somewhere
• 26:13
  else and he's very funny. I've seen Greg Davis on Room 101
• 26:17
  and he's a really, really pretty bloke.
• 26:21
  Yeah, he is. He's very funny.
• 26:24
  But it's again, it's the it's the same thing you get with Matt
• 26:28
  Lucas here because Matt Lucas is giving a similarly broad
• 26:32
  performance. Not one you would necessarily
• 26:34
  think is a lot. There's a lot of substance or
• 26:36
  depth to and you know, given the chance that there's a lot more
• 26:43
  to that performer than meets the eye on first glance.
• 26:47
  Doctor, literally just said, I am the doctor there and she
• 26:50
  still didn't get it. I guess you a bit dense.
• 26:53
  Look, I Are we getting the ninja noises?
• 27:07
  It's all getting a bit, so it's all getting a bit silly.
• 27:10
  Now I ain't it is a bit. It is Oh yeah, here we go.
• 27:16
  Look taking his head off. That's quite quirky and fact
• 27:18
  that he doesn't sound very fun. Things with hits in this.
• 27:21
  Well, that later on when that fellow is it unzips his head and
• 27:25
  takes out there? That's incredible.
• 27:29
  I will say when, when the what are they called?
• 27:34
  The the winter show or something like that?
• 27:37
  Yeah. I was kind of like I do remember
• 27:40
  when dr. Mysterio.
• 27:41
  Okay, more Hunters. Like we're bringing these guys
• 27:43
  back in the effect was Gray. When they tear the heavens fight
• 27:47
  ever anybody? I don't think anybody was gonna
• 27:51
  get bring them back. Next episode right now.
• 27:55
  Oh, I think you know I'm gonna say something bold about Peter
• 27:57
  Capaldi as I think this is the episode where he really sort of
• 28:03
  learned how to play every single facet of his doctor and he ate
• 28:08
  often, he can see him visibly relaxing the first season I
• 28:12
  think he's a bit tense and a bit angry and he's playing that sort
• 28:15
  of doctor the second season, they kind of shift between it
• 28:20
  being a bit faster. Cool.
• 28:22
  And a bit sort of Dad. For a midlife crisis and then
• 28:27
  here, he's just like, no, I'm just playing the doctor and I
• 28:29
  think it happens here and it happens in doctor Mysterio as
• 28:33
  well. He's just very relaxed and his
• 28:35
  start kind of enjoying himself and then that takes us into
• 28:38
  series 10, where he's just got it.
• 28:42
  Whatever it is, he's got it distilled.
• 28:46
  Yeah. And it's a bit and it's a bit
• 28:48
  tricky because I there is still quite a broad conception of the
• 28:53
  of how Peter Capaldi's. We played and I think among more
• 28:56
  casual fans that he is quite nasty and unpleasant and not
• 29:02
  very likable which is mostly Siri.
• 29:10
  Because if you stick it out, he, you know, like in stuff like
• 29:12
  this where he's being asked to do like very kind of he veers
• 29:17
  between Melancholy and comedy and Broad comedy quite well.
• 29:23
  And so it's kind of one of those things where if you stick around
• 29:26
  you'll definitely get the goods with Capaldi.
• 29:28
  I maintained from the very beginning but I can understand
• 29:30
  why he's not everybody's cup of tea.
• 29:33
  Right. You know you know me I think his
• 29:36
  season 8 Persona is my favorite the asshole.
• 29:40
  Couple of days. I wonder why, but I do think I
• 29:44
  do think that's what Mary in the humor and the grumpiness that's
• 29:48
  serious 10, he gets it absolutely spot-on in episodes,
• 29:51
  like thin ice and things like that.
• 29:55
  I, I do think. You know, I do actually quite
• 30:01
  like Matt Smith and Alex Kingston together, but I do
• 30:05
  think there is something very different and they can, they do
• 30:11
  actually feel like a proper married couple here.
• 30:14
  Okay is literally lying in the snow laughing.
• 30:18
  His head of a ranting math head in a bag.
• 30:23
  I mean this delightful. Yeah and and you know, this is
• 30:27
  kind of the point where, you know, even the doctor has to
• 30:31
  stop and go her. Come on you.
• 30:34
  You have to understand what's going on here.
• 30:40
  And if you know, Martha does is a little cheeky here by going.
• 30:44
  Oh, you know, as far as Rivers concerned, Matt Smith was the
• 30:48
  last doctor because of how we've done the the doctor numbering
• 30:52
  where you know, she's counting John Hurt and the second you
• 30:58
  know David Tennant's regeneration.
• 30:59
  Stone was like there are no doctors after Matt Smith.
• 31:03
  There can't be, it can't happen. So that's why I do not
• 31:07
  acknowledge the existence of Peter Cobalt.
• 31:13
  That's a great reaction. Who is this hottie?
• 31:17
  That's just turned up. Are you say this every time?
• 31:21
  But I do know what I was like. Yeah, I agree.
• 31:23
  Who is this terribly handsome, man, he's very handsome.
• 31:26
  I thought. Sure.
• 31:27
  Is that, is that River song? Oh, no, that's her, like, a
• 31:29
  partner in crime, isn't it? Yeah, but they're also married
• 31:33
  as well. I think in a very like, isn't it
• 31:36
  in this ma 40. It's a really ma 40 thing where
• 31:38
  it's like, oh, we're married. But I erased your memory because
• 31:42
  I thought you were being annoying.
• 31:45
  My god, did you see that? Did you see that?
• 31:47
  All those photographs, of all the old doctors?
• 31:50
  Yeah, and it kind of cuts off but Matt Smith.
• 31:55
  Oh no. Did you see that?
• 31:56
  Is it codename Damsel in Distress?
• 31:58
  I'll swear, that's a reference. That is a reference to talk to
• 32:01
  her in distress. I swear, you're just looking for
• 32:06
  any old excuse people, I wouldn't put it past him jack, I
• 32:09
  wouldn't put it past. I wouldn't you think Russell
• 32:12
  would bring back doctor and no, no, he's got to, he's got a good
• 32:16
  sense of good. Head on his shoulders.
• 32:19
  That's what it that's expressed I was going for.
• 32:21
  See, this is where I think the file still gets a bit much.
• 32:23
  You got Matt Lucas sort of prostrate In front of this
• 32:26
  grunting robot. Yeah, really Shades Rim, really
• 32:30
  doing his best jowl acting here. But, remember the rusty Davis
• 32:34
  quote, where he said that the Christmastime Is Where It's
• 32:37
  gotta be at its most sort of broadly enjoyable for the whole
• 32:42
  family because this like for a lot of people, this will be the
• 32:46
  only episode they watch because they're watching on Christmas
• 32:49
  day. Well, what would make her this
• 32:51
  Matt Smith roaming after that. It's robots, who can And I
• 32:55
  thought like it. I don't like it.
• 32:57
  I like it. Don't worry.
• 33:01
  Don't worry the Buzz Lightyear. Things are going to pop out in a
• 33:05
  second. He's going to be a great, big
• 33:06
  toy. I mean did you watch this with
• 33:11
  your family? Is there a reason for that?
• 33:21
  I mean, not in particular. I think I was away our broadcast
• 33:27
  last. I can't remember.
• 33:28
  But I did watch it by myself. It's like Dad would probably
• 33:34
  like this. Mom would be going.
• 33:36
  Oh my God. What the hell?
• 33:37
  Are we watching? She well, you say that, I mean I
• 33:46
  did share our episode 1 of city of death and she's like, oh god,
• 33:49
  what the hell? Are you making me watch Jack?
• 33:51
  This is awful. Bless God.
• 33:53
  Jack, will you do me a favor? Will you do the impression
• 33:55
  appear Capaldi in a minute? When he goes inside the Tardis?
• 33:58
  Because I know you, I know you could do this.
• 34:00
  Well, okay. All right.
• 34:03
  Prepare yourself. Okay.
• 34:05
  Oh, yes, yes. Getting into character.
• 34:07
  I'm not Jacob dudman. I can't quite do the full kind
• 34:11
  of doctor, but I'll I'll give it a crack before they do go in.
• 34:16
  I'm gonna say the thing about new Doctor.
• 34:20
  Who is you could tell whereabouts in Peter Capaldi's
• 34:23
  era. You are because of the size of
• 34:26
  his before whore. It's true.
• 34:30
  It's true. Yeah.
• 34:33
  I mean like it was a joke. We will make you until you
• 34:38
  actually get to twice a put a tie with his hair is long.
• 34:41
  It's so perfectly. Absurdly long.
• 34:44
  Okay, are you ready for this? Here we go.
• 34:48
  Does he say finally it's my turn or something like yes.
• 34:51
  Finally here we go. oh, I Don't it's bigger on the inside than
• 35:09
  it is on the outside. It do I have to do the whole?
• 35:15
  Yeah, go home. But I tired to study of physical
• 35:18
  space has been transformed through the bunch and smoke to
• 35:25
  death by grass of the universal constant sense of physical.
• 35:30
  Reality has been changed. He's having so much.
• 35:35
  Fun is Ali? Yeah.
• 35:39
  But this is what makes the thing so great does.
• 35:41
  All this grandstanding and showing off and then River Song
• 35:44
  does this completely ridiculous thing.
• 35:46
  But that the doctor has never noticed in his own tardis, which
• 35:49
  is just pulling the Brandy case out.
• 35:51
  I like to think though that somewhere behind those roundels
• 35:53
  and every console we've had over all time.
• 35:56
  Is that Brandi cabinet? I know what?
• 36:01
  I think that that's a joke that's actually made in twice
• 36:03
  Upon a Time. Doesn't, will it David Bradley
• 36:06
  open? One of the roundels and that
• 36:08
  same Little Brandy is in there. Oh really?
• 36:12
  Oh, that's the point. I wanted to ask you about that.
• 36:15
  Well, because this isn't technically might have been the
• 36:17
  end of the Steven Moffat here at my there.
• 36:20
  That's right. I because I think Chris Chappell
• 36:25
  had been announced me the incoming show up.
• 36:27
  Yeah, I had he been announced at this point.
• 36:29
  Yeah. Before before this Mysterio?
• 36:32
  Yeah. We waited a couple of years
• 36:33
  because he what he was doing Broadchurch That's right.
• 36:37
  So I think he agreed. Yeah, that's right.
• 36:41
  He agreed to do series 10 because chibnall wouldn't be
• 36:45
  able to come on board for series 10.
• 36:49
  And yeah, he did briefly talk about leaving on the husbands of
• 36:55
  River Song, which is why Richie called Capaldi of only had two
• 36:59
  seasons are possibly. I think, from what I understand
• 37:05
  there was like, Jen Jen even after series 10 there was a
• 37:10
  brief period, where cut, you know, how tenant nearly like for
• 37:14
  a brief period nearly stayed on for Series 5.
• 37:17
  Yeah, I think there was a very brief time where Chris chibnall
• 37:21
  had a conversation with Peter. A pile of the about staying on
• 37:25
  and from all Iron from all, I know if Capaldi it said, yes, he
• 37:30
  would have they would have had him, but I think capacity was
• 37:34
  pretty set on leaving so it was never a serious conversation.
• 37:40
  So yeah, ensure their there is a possibility that, you know,
• 37:45
  Steven Moffat might have left on the husbands of River Song and
• 37:49
  you know, the following year series 10 episode 1 with Chris
• 37:52
  chibnall Capacity, which would have been something I'm going to
• 37:55
  say, well, I wouldn't want to lose series 10 for anything
• 37:58
  because I think that thinner ice extremist oxygen wild enough
• 38:04
  time of the doctor falls, are some of the best of the year.
• 38:07
  I would want to lose theories tank.
• 38:08
  I do think it is pretty strong, but I would say, I think the
• 38:13
  latter half of this episode would have been a better out
• 38:17
  than twice Upon a Time. Oh, I definitely without a
• 38:22
  doubt. I mean here you like Even by
• 38:26
  some of my fat standards you can definitely tell twice upon a
• 38:30
  time is written kind of out of necessity.
• 38:34
  And after having said yes, after the three glasses of wine or
• 38:38
  something, because here, you know, more fat is clearly making
• 38:44
  an effort to kind of wrap up his entire approach to Doctor Who
• 38:48
  and some races. You know, he's tying up the
• 38:50
  river song Story which, you know, When he was announced, as
• 38:55
  showrunner was around the time that Silence of the library.
• 38:58
  And first of the Dead came out. Isn't that right?
• 39:02
  Yeah. So his entire tenure has, was
• 39:06
  kind of marked in theory, by the beginning of River Song and
• 39:10
  almost by the end of the River Song story.
• 39:15
  But, you know, he's also doing, you know, like, fastened and
• 39:20
  Broad comedy, which I are his Which is his trade.
• 39:26
  So I think he's trying to do everything he can in his
• 39:30
  wheelhouse before he goes in some respect, aside from the
• 39:33
  horror that actually put his name on the map if we're quiet.
• 39:37
  Yeah. Well, I said, Horror in this, do
• 39:40
  you think that's horrendous? I mean, there's a little bit of
• 39:43
  body horror, like the effects of the winter shawl tearing their
• 39:46
  own heads apart, is it's that kind of unpleasant, but nothing.
• 39:51
  Nothing. In the, in the vein of, you
• 39:54
  know, those early stories, you know, with the Clockwork man and
• 39:58
  the gas mask child Jewels. Yeah, yeah, of course, you know,
• 40:05
  it, it does feel that last scene in front of the towers, it does
• 40:09
  feel like the end of an era, doesn't it?
• 40:10
  Like I know it is the end of an era because it's the end of
• 40:13
  river storyline, but it doesn't I think it really feels like
• 40:17
  it's just perfect. It would have been a perfect way
• 40:19
  to end it. And yeah, I don't think twice
• 40:21
  upon a time is entirely without Merit.
• 40:22
  Mary, I think there's some good stuff in there but you're right
• 40:24
  it is a bit of a nothing episode because like you say it was
• 40:28
  conjured up in a bit of desperation.
• 40:33
  Yeah, I mean price Upon a Time basically exists out of Goodwill
• 40:38
  and Desperation. I just say that we're going on
• 40:42
  to this spaceship now. Yeah, which is obviously filmed
• 40:44
  in some absolutely glorious house somewhere.
• 40:50
  It's stylish as fuck, isn't it? Yeah, this is where we're
• 40:54
  getting a little bit of a little bit of Voyage of the Damned
• 40:58
  again, but as yeah, I think you're 100% right.
• 41:02
  As soon as we get to the screws line at the criminal Cruise
• 41:05
  liner in space, it's almost like kind of the tone coheres,
• 41:09
  doesn't it all? Just perfect me.
• 41:13
  Yeah, I mean, I think the style helps a lot because you know,
• 41:17
  you suddenly you've got everybody looking Dapper and
• 41:19
  impressive in suits and the gear shift, definitely.
• 41:24
  But you know, we're also actually getting perhaps for the
• 41:27
  first time to the actual substance of the episode as
• 41:30
  well. You know, we're about to go into
• 41:33
  that scene where the doctor and River, you know, the doctor
• 41:37
  spots the diary and the Diaries almost full and he realizes.
• 41:42
  And there's Like really great line about how the man who gave
• 41:45
  me the story which is this is the kind of man, who would know
• 41:47
  exactly how many pages you would need to fill a diary with so.
• 41:52
  So it's it actually become was about.
• 41:57
  It actually follows through on the dramatic potential of what
• 42:00
  if River doesn't know that the doctor is standing right next to
• 42:04
  her, where is in the first half of the episode, it's all kind of
• 42:08
  broadened fun, whereas the second half from them arriving
• 42:12
  on the spaceship, onwards actually becomes about.
• 42:16
  What is she willing? What is she willing to let slip
• 42:20
  about the doctor and her impression and her character her
• 42:24
  characterization of the man? She's married to To him not
• 42:29
  knowing that it's him. I could have said that in a much
• 42:31
  more. No, I seriously but I also think
• 42:33
  is why it pays off. There's stunning idea that in
• 42:37
  the science Library, first of dead, the first time that he
• 42:41
  means her is the moment where she dies.
• 42:44
  So that's the end of their story and that, that poignant idea of
• 42:49
  one last adventure, and then you have to go off to your death and
• 42:53
  that, yes, at that has an inherent pointers.
• 42:56
  Singing it doesn't it? Yeah.
• 42:59
  And there is if you're if you're paying very, very close
• 43:04
  attention. You should you do pick up on
• 43:07
  that a little bit at the beginning because it's that
• 43:09
  first interaction, you know, River does say nardole what have
• 43:13
  you brought to my doorstep? At the doctor says, I've had a
• 43:18
  haircut. This is my best suit, which is
• 43:21
  exactly what river says, in the forest of the Dead.
• 43:24
  You turned up on my doorstep within you haircut and a soup.
• 43:27
  Yeah. And the new screwdriver and he
• 43:29
  has because she doesn't think that screwdriver before.
• 43:31
  Oh doesn't he get the screwdriver in this?
• 43:34
  He does. He gives us the screwdriver
• 43:36
  which had Which if you were so inclined to be bothered by such
• 43:41
  things was a was a loose end, which is where does where does
• 43:45
  River get the screwdriver? And it's not something that
• 43:47
  really needs to be resolved, but it's good that it is this, this
• 43:52
  whole sequence here reminds me of deep breath and that long
• 43:55
  sequence between the doctor and Clara and the restaurant and a
• 43:58
  similar thing happens, isn't it in deep breath?
• 44:00
  It's all Clockwork people. And in this are they all those
• 44:05
  creatures those? Yeah.
• 44:07
  Yeah, they're all they booked out the entire dining car and it
• 44:11
  does that wonderful Mafia anything of when you suddenly
• 44:13
  catch up and you realize they're surrounded, you know.
• 44:18
  Yeah, I'm trying to work out if there are any clues in the
• 44:22
  background but no, they've all got their faces away.
• 44:25
  So I don't think you can actually tell, but I think
• 44:27
  Steven Moffat does those reversals really well.
• 44:29
  So this plays out like a funny character seen at a dinner table
• 44:34
  and then you suddenly realize they're in a trap and I can't
• 44:37
  figure anything. Nothing more for me than that.
• 44:40
  Indeed his that scene. I was talking about and I think,
• 44:46
  yeah, I think that's an Oscar Wilde quote when she says, I
• 44:51
  want you to always have something Sensational to read on
• 44:53
  the spaceship, I think. Oscar Wilde said, I don't think
• 44:57
  you said the spaceship bit. I think he just said that
• 45:00
  something or someone someone should always have something
• 45:03
  scandalous to read on a train. So, It's never been in a minute,
• 45:10
  I seem to remember, you know what, the fourth floor falls
• 45:12
  through? They've times that is it the
• 45:15
  Doctor Who's time dear, so the terrible disasters going to
• 45:18
  occur just when they need to escape, it's just, it's River.
• 45:21
  It's so good. It's wonderful.
• 45:24
  I've I do I got to ask since I know this cancer.
• 45:29
  Did this particular thing that Moffat does can sometimes rub
• 45:32
  you very much the wrong way. So what do you think of the kind
• 45:38
  of implication that the, the suggestion, the story sets up in
• 45:44
  its first stop that River Song doesn't actually love the doctor
• 45:48
  at all. She's just taking taking him for
• 45:52
  a ride and using her him as as her help and she's actually kind
• 45:56
  of a nefarious character. Well, that's a very cute notion
• 46:00
  but I don't buy it for a second and it's because of everything
• 46:03
  we've seen so far and because of how she feels about him.
• 46:07
  Silence in the library in forests that a date.
• 46:09
  So all of asked me to set up to show that that's a complete lie.
• 46:13
  Aha. So you don't think it really has
• 46:15
  much dramatic like serious dramatic weight to it.
• 46:20
  No, but I think I think like, in terms of oh my word look at
• 46:23
  impeding that head always about to do it.
• 46:26
  Here we go. You know what makes it do?
• 46:28
  Not makes it super gross is that there's all that Gunk inside as
• 46:31
  well as out there. No.
• 46:33
  Oh, that's horrible. And the camera.
• 46:37
  The cameras behind his head, it reveals Peter Capaldi, as it
• 46:40
  tears over, and it's a great line as well.
• 46:46
  You probably shouldn't do that in a restaurant.
• 46:50
  Look at all the go on here. Oh, come on.
• 46:54
  It's such a good effect. There is it?
• 46:55
  Isn't that clever? I know, I know, I sometimes
• 46:58
  Doctor Who really gets it, right?
• 47:00
  Yeah. You know, I know Peter Capaldi
• 47:02
  has been a little bit disingenuous about the special
• 47:06
  effects of Doctor Who He says he left and probably so because
• 47:09
  he's been in these big blockbuster movies since then,
• 47:11
  but like things like that, remember, the filler made are
• 47:14
  snakes in the Magician's Apprentice.
• 47:17
  Oh yes, yes, yes. That's right, I things like I
• 47:20
  really think her effective. It's the it's the great thing
• 47:25
  about Doctor. Who the great kind of spin the
• 47:28
  wheel. There are some things you know,
• 47:31
  that look, you know, I rewatched partners in crime earlier today
• 47:35
  and some of, you know, some of those effects shots are great
• 47:39
  and some of those effects shots have aged terribly, but it's
• 47:44
  all, but when doctor who gets a running, it's so good.
• 47:47
  And this is Doctor Who still like, what are we ever going to
• 47:49
  judge this on his special effects.
• 47:51
  Oh, We might now it's got 6 million per episode.
• 47:56
  Ah, long live, long live Russell T, Davies long.
• 47:59
  Long live the god-king. So what's the idea here in am I
• 48:03
  right? She's timed.
• 48:05
  The something going into the ship so they can get out of this
• 48:08
  trap. Yes.
• 48:10
  So the whole, it's all in that great line, where she's like
• 48:15
  where they ask, you know, how could you possibly know this?
• 48:18
  I'm an archaeologist from the future.
• 48:21
  I dug you up. Oh yeah it's a great look.
• 48:25
  Yeah so clear. It's clear what it is.
• 48:28
  It's a variation of you know Captain Jack's plan in the
• 48:35
  doctor dances. Do you remember point?
• 48:37
  He talks about volcano and how he has a heist time.
• 48:40
  For volcano day. Yeah, it's basically that kind
• 48:45
  of in real time where, you know, she he's River songs found out
• 48:51
  about a famous catastrophe and has time to her criminal Heist
• 48:55
  to coincide with that historical disaster.
• 49:00
  I've got to say right and I would say it's very often, so
• 49:03
  enjoy the moment, yeah, but when Moth is, are often trying to be
• 49:08
  very very clever. Yeah.
• 49:10
  And sometimes the overstretched himself and sometimes it all
• 49:13
  gets a bit smug in a bit silly. And but boy, oh boy, man, when
• 49:17
  it seems like this, when it all Co, he is like narratively with
• 49:22
  the lines with their performances.
• 49:24
  Ma there's nothing finer as a in Doctor Who no is 100%
• 49:29
  experience. And even in stuff like this,
• 49:32
  this bit here which is pure farce II think Actually lands
• 49:37
  quite well because the setup has been is actually quite good in
• 49:43
  terms of why they cut open the bat, I can then try to fight any
• 49:47
  possible excuse not to open the bag like it's the reason the
• 49:51
  logic and reasons are compelling so it's actually really funny to
• 49:55
  watch Peter Capaldi's squirm as they open up to find the severed
• 50:00
  head of great, your God. Like all stand idly by and let
• 50:08
  this continue. It's like being called you say
• 50:12
  this is just too absurd now. All right let's get silly with
• 50:17
  could have been silly but like I was I did a commentary recently
• 50:20
  on the empty child in the doctor dances obviously that was his
• 50:22
  first stabber, Doctor Who and the bit at the end where she
• 50:26
  reveals that she is his mummy and the answer to this.
• 50:30
  Bloody thing has been staring you in the face for the entire.
• 50:33
  Like I just think we're muffins on it.
• 50:36
  Eyes. Just gold?
• 50:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:39
  That's me. I know, I know I'm not used to
• 50:46
  getting such such words out of you, so easily, you go.
• 50:52
  It really is a Christmas miracle.
• 50:57
  Shallow. God bless us, everyone.
• 51:24
  And it doesn't have any eyebrows.
• 51:30
  You can practically see him, flicking them up.
• 51:34
  It's really Charming. Both falling is Moustache, one
• 51:37
  of the other. Yeah.
• 51:38
  Yeah. I actually, you know what for,
• 51:43
  for a comedy performance that, you know, what is, is a bit too
• 51:47
  much? I do love that.
• 51:49
  They actually just shoot hydroflax in his own face.
• 51:52
  It does. It's a bit like the graph
• 51:55
  indicate getting bummed to death by himself, in it.
• 51:57
  Indeed, indeed, and Greg Davis pulls what I think is possibly
• 52:03
  one of the single stupidest Expressions ever committed to
• 52:07
  film, it is one of the dumb This looks Amanda's of apples on the
• 52:12
  show. It wouldn't be out of place in a
• 52:14
  car soon with it is funny. No, there's the crystal.
• 52:26
  There's the diamond. So what's that diamond again?
• 52:32
  The I'm trying to do what's called the someone who's been
• 52:37
  listening to the commentary will probably know right in what's
• 52:41
  the diamond called but what's it all about?
• 52:43
  Is it just very expensive? Yes it is.
• 52:48
  It's a prize diamond from from a people that hydroflax conquered
• 52:54
  and River song has been hired to steal it back from from
• 53:00
  hydroflax which is why she pretends to be his husband.
• 53:05
  I can try wowzers. Did you see that the camera
• 53:08
  going through the top of the spaceship, right, down into the
• 53:11
  ballroom there? Yeah, it's Paul.
• 53:15
  Here is Paul McKibben. I did, he do any other so he did
• 53:20
  to do. No no no.
• 53:24
  It's yeah, he did. Um it's um he did a cold war and
• 53:29
  the sontaran stratagem and the poison Sky.
• 53:33
  Oh yes! Him of course, we did listen as
• 53:35
  well, didn't he? He did, he did listen in Time
• 53:38
  Heist as well. He's come a long way since those
• 53:40
  early days of sometimes, stratagem and poisonous guy
• 53:44
  which I do lie. But I think there is a bit of
• 53:46
  awkward Direction in him. By the time he gets to listen,
• 53:49
  man. Oh man, there's some atmosphere.
• 53:52
  Yeah, and he's and he's done well for himself.
• 53:54
  Be on the show. He did.
• 53:58
  He directed I think off the back of his doctor who work.
• 54:01
  He directed the TV adaptation of good omen.
• 54:05
  Of course he did. Yeah.
• 54:07
  That was a massive Endeavor. It was, it was a lot of money
• 54:11
  went into that. And he also did an episode of
• 54:15
  Sherlock immediately. I think actually was it.
• 54:18
  Yeah, that would have been around the time of the husbands
• 54:20
  of result. He directed A Sort of shallow
• 54:22
  because well was that one of the goodies?
• 54:26
  It really divided opinion. It's the it was the one that was
• 54:31
  set in when they kind of went back to Victorian London.
• 54:34
  But it also wasn't really set in Victorian London and it was kind
• 54:37
  of Gators and Moffat trying to be a bit too clever for their
• 54:41
  own good. But it's very, it's very stylish
• 54:44
  to look at and I think they got Rachel to Lele for the the
• 54:48
  series afterwards. So there you know, there was a
• 54:51
  little bit of Sherlock pinching from Doctor.
• 54:56
  Who why wouldn't you do? Why wouldn't you like, you've
• 55:01
  got? If I mean, the new in the new
• 55:05
  Rusty Davis, Sarah. He's got Rachel talalay and I
• 55:09
  think they just announced one of the chip will directors as well.
• 55:12
  So he's cherry picking the best of the directors that have been
• 55:18
  But you're a lot of these of Doctor Who modern doctor whose
• 55:21
  directors do go on to do some pretty big stuff following this
• 55:26
  like, do you remember Toby Haynes?
• 55:28
  Who directed The pandorica? Opens?
• 55:31
  The Big Bang. We he didn't easily.
• 55:33
  Well, yeah he did. He did a stretch of the the
• 55:37
  Smith era where he did pandorica, opens Big, Bang
• 55:41
  Christmas Carol and then the Series 6 opener and he you know,
• 55:46
  he went on to Rex a big chunk of the Star Wars show and or oh,
• 55:52
  wow okay yes and similarly what's his name?
• 55:56
  He I think he directed a few episodes of the chip malaria and
• 55:59
  a of Mars are Wayne Wayne Wayne Wayne year we did resolution,
• 56:04
  didn't he? Yeah, he did.
• 56:06
  He went on to direct I think a couple of episodes of Lord of
• 56:10
  the Rings. The rings of power.
• 56:12
  Wow. Which, you know that although I
• 56:15
  think because doctors got a fair budget, hasn't got a Massive
• 56:18
  budget compared to handle and that Lord of the Rings show.
• 56:20
  I think, if you can prove your worth on a show with a kind of a
• 56:24
  smaller budget, people probably will go.
• 56:26
  Well, what can I do you for a lot of money?
• 56:30
  Exactly? Like it's that thing where of
• 56:32
  such limited resources but of, in terms of the storytelling a
• 56:37
  conviction in the genre, it's of the same scale.
• 56:41
  Also we've just completely not talked about the wonderful
• 56:44
  scene. We have just got here of river
• 56:47
  really Rising, who the doctor is, you know what?
• 56:49
  The bit where I hate the hello sweetie live.
• 56:53
  But in this episode when he says it, I'm almost like I can
• 56:57
  forgive any hello. So easy for that, which is just
• 57:01
  beautiful. Yeah.
• 57:04
  And it's so genuine and so sincere and of course, you know,
• 57:08
  a moment later they, you know, they're teasing each other and
• 57:12
  but you never howling. Matt Smith could be quite
• 57:14
  vicious with her, couldn't. He could be quite rude and, you
• 57:19
  know, a bit nasty with her in flesh and stone in The Angels.
• 57:23
  Take Manhattan, we've talked about that before, you know,
• 57:26
  where he's quite enough as Capaldi's really gentle with her
• 57:30
  in a way that I just didn't expect.
• 57:33
  Yeah, I remember more fat saying that Russell love the idea of
• 57:41
  Kingston and Capelli together and in fact, in look slightly
• 57:45
  odd phrasing but apparently Russell wrote back going our
• 57:48
  capacity in Kingston together. It'll be a sex storm.
• 57:53
  I mean, it is, they are sis. They Sizzle on screen together,
• 57:58
  they do have great chemistry together.
• 58:01
  I don't know. They just look good in
• 58:03
  silhouette as well. There was a shot.
• 58:04
  Just there of the two of them like side profile.
• 58:09
  Yeah, and I do think one of the, one of the first publicity
• 58:13
  Stills released to them together Came From This Moment where
• 58:15
  they're hanging on through each other and they just look
• 58:19
  absolutely right together. They do genuinely feel like a
• 58:23
  couple in a screwball comedy. Well, that's the thing as well,
• 58:27
  and what you need because my wife is always right in these
• 58:30
  sort of Comedy. Duo's, aren't they?
• 58:32
  These romantic comedy Duo's sniping age, ever?
• 58:36
  What you need is to bloody good. Good actors.
• 58:39
  And that's what you've got here. Hmm.
• 58:43
  Like I often say that, I think Capaldi is a lot better than
• 58:46
  half the material, we're going Doctor, Who, like, I feel as if
• 58:49
  he was a bit under sold half the time half the time, they gave
• 58:52
  him really strong stuff to do. And absolutely, he was amazingly
• 58:56
  good. But I think all of these things
• 59:00
  between him and Kingston from now on, oh man, I'm not well
• 59:04
  Howard's together at the climax, you know, I don't worry, we've
• 59:08
  still got some stupid stuff to get through.
• 59:10
  First also You know that singing Towers.
• 59:14
  That's one of my favorite ever. Roam.
• 59:16
  Murray, gold pieces of music. You know.
• 59:18
  That woman singing. I know.
• 59:20
  Yeah, yeah. Didn't you say you used to
• 59:22
  listen to it at the gym? No, I would listen to it when I
• 59:25
  was meditating sometimes. Ah, that was it because really
• 59:30
  it's so beautiful. Honestly, I've always, I've
• 59:35
  always been a big fan of how they get rid of the hydroflax
• 59:38
  body. They just overwhelmed with how
• 59:40
  confusing the stock. It is.
• 59:44
  That's how Captain Kirk would do it, you know?
• 59:47
  Yeah. Oh is it?
• 59:48
  I mean, I barely know anything about Star Trek.
• 59:50
  So I'll take your word for who was talking Mac, computers to
• 59:53
  death left, right and Center. It's a it's a hard skill.
• 59:59
  What are you got it, Jack. I think I can't believe about
• 1:00:03
  the say this. I think I could have I could
• 1:00:06
  have done with if this had been a year earlier.
• 1:00:09
  Yeah they're done last Christmas husband's River song.
• 1:00:12
  Oh no. How's my real son?
• 1:00:13
  Would have been the end of the season still.
• 1:00:15
  I could have had a whole season of Kingston and Capaldi.
• 1:00:18
  Oh wow. That's Are you getting it?
• 1:00:21
  Are you gonna keep that covered in the recording?
• 1:00:23
  So, you know, I think they re off instead of having that
• 1:00:27
  second year with Capaldi and Coleman.
• 1:00:31
  I think this could have rocks. And here you go.
• 1:00:35
  As soon as, as soon as you get to the, to really embed, this is
• 1:00:38
  where the episode changes gear again and get the real real
• 1:00:44
  substance of it. Yeah.
• 1:00:47
  And and, and It's again, more fat is very obsessive about
• 1:00:55
  continuity details at times and it's so blink and you'll miss
• 1:01:00
  it. But when they're talking, when
• 1:01:03
  she's talking about all the times, they previously canceled
• 1:01:07
  going to really again, she makes an offhand comment where she
• 1:01:11
  goes. Do you remember that time?
• 1:01:14
  There were two of you which is actually a reference to the
• 1:01:20
  First, the first time that Moffat actually wrote the doctor
• 1:01:23
  going to the singing Towers Adder ileum, which was in a mini
• 1:01:27
  episode 4, Series 6. I think it was last night.
• 1:01:31
  You're okay, no, no, no, no. I always watch him.
• 1:01:36
  There was a box that there was a mini mini River doctor episode
• 1:01:40
  on the series 6 box set, where, you know, some comedy mishaps
• 1:01:46
  happen but it does end with the Future Doctor arrived.
• 1:01:50
  Irving in the Tardis revealing that he's taking River to the
• 1:01:53
  singing towers of darillium and it's Matt Smith who's taking her
• 1:01:57
  taking him. So clearly modified is like I'm
• 1:02:02
  writing the singing towers of darillium story but I've already
• 1:02:05
  attempted to write that before. So I've got to somehow it's
• 1:02:08
  square. That off, continuity wise.
• 1:02:11
  So if you're insanely Fixated on those things, there's a little
• 1:02:18
  get out of, there's a little fix it.
• 1:02:20
  He's, he's all that obsessive, continuity all the way from
• 1:02:24
  metabolize free met a bit. Oh yeah, you know, he's doing
• 1:02:33
  this now, doesn't mean people or the people who loves away in the
• 1:02:37
  nick of time, he just tried it with river and then she believed
• 1:02:39
  herself back again because she's smart.
• 1:02:43
  Yeah. And this is This moment you get
• 1:02:46
  you see it is looking Capaldi's phase where he basically decides
• 1:02:49
  now is time and I, and it's an interesting thing, you kind of
• 1:02:54
  get with Capel these character. I think, as the doctor, whereas
• 1:02:57
  one of the things that define Matt Smith is that, you know,
• 1:03:01
  was how vigorously he avoided endings.
• 1:03:05
  The doctor doesn't like endings was a thing that came up quite a
• 1:03:08
  lot. Whereas here, you've got the 12
• 1:03:11
  doctor actively finishing the story he makes The choice to end
• 1:03:15
  it. Well, you kind of get.
• 1:03:17
  Yeah you hey, can eat it because it's also a 24-year.
• 1:03:21
  Yeah, 28 years. So it's a longer by is almost as
• 1:03:24
  long as Lord of the Rings. Return of the King General,
• 1:03:29
  though. You've got, you've got all these
• 1:03:30
  sort of clever, Mafia ideas here.
• 1:03:33
  So, the doctor he opens the door is day.
• 1:03:36
  A needs it to be the next day when the construction is about
• 1:03:42
  to start, doesn't it gives them the diamond?
• 1:03:44
  It says, why don't you build a restaurant which makes the
• 1:03:47
  restaurant, you know, so the docks of sort of creating the
• 1:03:51
  whole thing so he can say goodbye to River on this last
• 1:03:53
  one. All, you know, I always say I
• 1:03:55
  very like what enough is clever but these sort of cute little
• 1:03:59
  ideas one after another. I just think it would have been
• 1:04:03
  a nice way for him to out, actually this all of this.
• 1:04:08
  Definitely, and it, you know, when he gets it, right?
• 1:04:11
  It's one of the, it's one of the fun.
• 1:04:16
  Things that he does very well. Which and I know this as an
• 1:04:21
  example, and I know this isn't a story that you find quite
• 1:04:23
  frustrating. The Big Bang.
• 1:04:25
  One of the most fun bits of the Big Bang is when the doctors
• 1:04:28
  zipping back and forth, essentially having fun with the
• 1:04:30
  time travel and go are his third you know, his that can of soda
• 1:04:33
  or whatever it was. And so when when he's just using
• 1:04:37
  time travel in a clever way, essentially to be fun and funny.
• 1:04:41
  It's quite delightful. It's when it gets into more
• 1:04:43
  complicated, Megan out. Narrative shenanigans that they
• 1:04:47
  get to be Jesus, season-long arcs where suddenly You Pull It
• 1:04:51
  threads and none of it makes any sense or people have to be
• 1:04:54
  deliberately deceptive for other people to learn certain things
• 1:04:58
  and all that nonsense. But I'll tell you what, the one
• 1:05:01
  time when he gets it, right? For our just an entire episode.
• 1:05:04
  And it's all quite of a clever narrative quirks, like that is
• 1:05:07
  Day of the Doctor. It's just one after another and
• 1:05:10
  it just works every single time. Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  There's some, there's some good plotting in that one.
• 1:05:16
  Amazing. The best bit is where they're
• 1:05:19
  all stuck in that. And they do that a long sequence
• 1:05:22
  that all stuck in that sail together, I think, Laura just
• 1:05:24
  walks in and says, all the doors unlocked.
• 1:05:30
  Here we go. Jack the lighting, and the set
• 1:05:34
  dressing in this sequence. The special effects, the music.
• 1:05:40
  It's just all Supply but they get it.
• 1:05:42
  All right here. Yeah even with nardole have been
• 1:05:47
  quote unquote, me time. Yeah, it's red.
• 1:05:53
  It's still Steven Moffat. There's gotta be some awful sex
• 1:05:56
  gag in there somewhere. Yeah, I know.
• 1:05:58
  It's definitely varying into love and monsters.
• 1:06:03
  You know, we have a bit of a love life territory.
• 1:06:07
  She's sucking him off. Who knows?
• 1:06:10
  Oh, I don't know. Yes, and he would get capacity
• 1:06:17
  in his new suit as we, you know, properly tying things up again.
• 1:06:24
  Just all my God, this is so romantic.
• 1:06:26
  And, you know, me, I'm a massive romantic.
• 1:06:28
  If someone did this for me, man. Oh man, I'll do anything.
• 1:06:32
  And here's the that original Sonex future Sonic Screwdriver
• 1:06:36
  from series 4. One of the best toys you'll ever
• 1:06:38
  get. Do you think Moffitt has got an
• 1:06:41
  obsession with time things out like this?
• 1:06:45
  A little, I mean, you know, there are a lot of things he's
• 1:06:52
  perfectly happy to let it go. And then something like the Time
• 1:06:59
  of the Doctor, he's there are some things he's just like,
• 1:07:02
  yeah, okay, fine, that's done. We're not going to address that
• 1:07:05
  will wrap that up in like two seconds.
• 1:07:07
  Whereas here. He's actually taking the time to
• 1:07:11
  properly. Think through the Oh wait what?
• 1:07:14
  What is the best way to finish the story?
• 1:07:17
  Did you see that small flock of birds just they cgi'd in across
• 1:07:20
  those Towers there? Yeah it just gets everything the
• 1:07:25
  way this pans out across the planet with the woman singing.
• 1:07:29
  It's so beautiful. Good grief.
• 1:07:32
  I didn't think I was going to be this positive.
• 1:07:36
  Sorry. Hey Joe it's not too late for
• 1:07:40
  you to delete this commentary track to know though.
• 1:07:44
  I'm putting this one out. Oh I forgot to hit record.
• 1:07:51
  Oh no, I've got both. Don't worry.
• 1:07:55
  What surprises me is you just would not.
• 1:07:58
  Imagine, of course, he's an actor.
• 1:07:59
  Of course he can do it, but you just don't see Capaldi as like,
• 1:08:02
  a romantic lead. Do you really?
• 1:08:05
  No. No, he's a bit too, you know,
• 1:08:09
  even if a movie, my favorite personal, favorite film is the
• 1:08:12
  personal history of David Copperfield where he's quite
• 1:08:16
  delightful in that, but I still remember reading some reviews of
• 1:08:19
  him. He played mr.
• 1:08:20
  Micawber, in that, where they were saying, I remember one was
• 1:08:23
  like, Guys a bit too thin, and he's a bit too scary looking to
• 1:08:27
  be the corba. He should have been somewhat, he
• 1:08:30
  should have been the villain of the piece rather than you know,
• 1:08:32
  this kind of happy-go-lucky character.
• 1:08:35
  I think he does still get pigeonholed a little bit as
• 1:08:38
  scary nasty man. When actually he can, he can do
• 1:08:42
  that. Kind of romantic tenderness when
• 1:08:44
  the moment calls for it. Why?
• 1:08:46
  So, I mean, I have softened, his look a little bit here is hairs.
• 1:08:49
  A little softer is in a nice suit.
• 1:08:51
  There's so few slighting all around All of that.
• 1:08:54
  Yeah, he looks a hearse or longingly, you know, and he's a
• 1:08:59
  bit cheeky with her and then the bit in a minute where we cut
• 1:09:03
  away and they look at each other and they're going in for a
• 1:09:05
  snack. The way they look at each other.
• 1:09:07
  I mean I was going to be a hot night on that balcony.
• 1:09:09
  I'll tell you I but you know it also ties it up with Did you get
• 1:09:22
  a sense of the kind of Burden that the 12th doctor has been
• 1:09:24
  carrot? Like the kind of pain.
• 1:09:26
  He's been carrying since the end of series 9 and there's that
• 1:09:30
  lovely line coming up just now, when you say I, you know, you
• 1:09:36
  know, Happy Endings is, it's just a lie.
• 1:09:38
  And then River says, it just means time.
• 1:09:42
  That's gorgeous. So sweet and I want to take you
• 1:09:47
  back to 1995, pre the TV movie. Before Paul McGann shove
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  Destiny, Ashbrook up against a tree and smoked the life out of
• 1:09:57
  her why she was picked chased and other whole of fandom.
• 1:10:00
  Imploded because doctor who kissed a girl?
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  I mean if this thing had come out and the TV movie ending with
• 1:10:07
  a pair of him, staring into each other's eyes and this romantic
• 1:10:09
  setting going in for the kill. I mean can you imagine Imagine
• 1:10:13
  Ian, Levine wood and spontaneously combusted.
• 1:10:16
  Yeah, no. Broken heart into flames, it
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  would have been deep breath put quickly in living.
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  I It's so lovely. I once I don't have a single
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  fact wanted to make And it's out and it's kind of in these
• 1:10:37
  moments where he gets things, right?
• 1:10:38
  Because you know, he kind of says you know nobody knows where
• 1:10:42
  the music comes from. It might be the distance between
• 1:10:45
  the towers and the Resonance of the sound but really it's magic.
• 1:10:50
  You know, it's magic that the the towers are able to sing and
• 1:10:53
  sometimes I know for you especially whenever sometimes
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  we've offered goes, It's Magic. Just go with it.
• 1:10:59
  It can really get on your nerves but here it's just no here just
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  what this is. It's like a Disney movie.
• 1:11:05
  This I mean it says and they lived happily ever after and
• 1:11:08
  then that all sort of vanishes into snow is just lovely and it.
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  But but what you get is that, you know, it says they lived
• 1:11:17
  happily ever after, but it it it's little time.
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  So the only word that remains is that, you know, it doesn't
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  matter if they live together forever.
• 1:11:27
  What matters is that with the little time they had, they lived
• 1:11:30
  happily together, Which is a lovely sentiment.
• 1:11:35
  And I've always said, like, you know, I feel that the mafia is
• 1:11:37
  sort of overly sexualized, the doctor, but boy, oh boy, he can
• 1:11:42
  do the romance when he pulls back.
• 1:11:46
  Yeah, I loved it and I both lived happily happily.
• 1:11:51
  Yeah, with all the joy and Melancholy that implies, like,
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  fuck me, Jack. You would have to have a horse
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  tone, not to be moved by that. Don't you think?
• 1:12:00
  I would agree. I think it always gets me that
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  ending. It's beautiful.
• 1:12:10
  It's beautifully done. It's a gent as I've sort of
• 1:12:12
  saying moment ago. It's a genuine.
• 1:12:15
  Instant of Magic on the of the show, kind of got going for the
• 1:12:19
  big, the biggest most romantic possible image, and idea and
• 1:12:26
  relationship. It can go for and it just
• 1:12:27
  getting away with it. Yeah, and from where the episode
• 1:12:32
  started and that sort of high farce, who would have ever
• 1:12:37
  predicted, that's where it would have ended.
• 1:12:40
  I think that was something you said in your original review,
• 1:12:42
  you are starting our God. I can't put up for this and by
• 1:12:44
  the end, you're like, oh my God, I cry.
• 1:12:46
  Yeah, I mean, I think it takes some confidence.
• 1:12:50
  It takes some balls to slip from that genre to that genre so
• 1:12:56
  effortlessly, yeah, as fantastic stuff.
• 1:13:00
  My God. I enjoy that even more.
• 1:13:02
  It's bumping up the list. Yeah, just I'm just doing, I'm
• 1:13:06
  just here to play my part just doing, just doing the doing the
• 1:13:09
  good work. Well, that you are now we have,
• 1:13:13
  you know, sort of wax lyrical a little bit about the husbands of
• 1:13:15
  river song. We have to give three reasons of
• 1:13:18
  Peace as to why we would suggest someone goes and watched it
• 1:13:22
  immediately start with you. Well, assuming you don't like
• 1:13:29
  people People being happy. And this this story definitely
• 1:13:35
  isn't for you. But from this fraud, If you love
• 1:13:41
  Peter Capaldi and if you, if you love Alex Kingston, then you
• 1:13:45
  have to see it there. They both give two of their best
• 1:13:49
  performances in the whole show and the chemistry they have
• 1:13:52
  together. And the cat their
• 1:13:53
  characterization, especially once the penny drops, and they
• 1:13:56
  realize who they who they are to each other, it's just gorgeous.
• 1:14:00
  And it's it's it's possibly the second-best River Song story.
• 1:14:07
  I would agree with that and it's it's one of the Loveliest and
• 1:14:12
  most gentle characterizations of a doctor who is quite spiky.
• 1:14:17
  If you if you've never really wore them to compel thee.
• 1:14:21
  See this story if you love elegant plotting which you knows
• 1:14:29
  Steven Moffat sometimes does well other times definitely
• 1:14:32
  doesn't stick The Landing. But if you like elegant plotting
• 1:14:35
  the way it wraps up, the River Song story is genuinely quite
• 1:14:42
  quite astounding and quite surprising.
• 1:14:45
  Will you just all you did all your three things in one go?
• 1:14:49
  Did I okay? Yeah, we're supposed to go back
• 1:14:51
  and forth, right. Fine now got to do free all in
• 1:14:54
  workout. I'm gonna say the production
• 1:14:56
  design on the spaceship, which I thought was particularly stylish
• 1:14:59
  and beautiful. I am going to say the direction
• 1:15:03
  in general, which I think is really striking throughout.
• 1:15:08
  It's just full of lots of pretty images throughout which I'm one
• 1:15:14
  of my favorite images is Peter, Capaldi, laughing in the snow.
• 1:15:17
  I shouldn't ask great. So simple, so lovely.
• 1:15:22
  And you know what? I'm going to say that bit of
• 1:15:24
  music at the end, which I think is one of marigolds fine.
• 1:15:27
  It's a lot of people that really you should.
• 1:15:29
  A lot of people were saying it was sort of running out of steam
• 1:15:31
  at this point and replaying the old cues and there was a bit of
• 1:15:33
  that going on but boy oh boy, he was the you know the musician on
• 1:15:39
  Doctor Who for 10 seasons for a reason and the end of this
• 1:15:43
  episode proves why? Absolutely stunning.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah I agree with With all of those points, you raised, that's
• 1:15:50
  fantastic. Look, Jack, I'm going to ask you
• 1:15:54
  the question now, then in terms of Hansel now, I mean, where are
• 1:15:59
  you? And I heading next.
• 1:16:00
  In 500 episodes time. I think you've asked me to do
• 1:16:10
  well did nothing. It was so annoying off of it,
• 1:16:17
  still exists, okay? Put our half of it.
• 1:16:20
  Then to be fair, it will be the smartest halfway All, I don't
• 1:16:26
  know. I think there's a decent chunk
• 1:16:28
  of me just going. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah, you're right. Well, I've been quite annoying.
• 1:16:35
  What are the funniest moments of doing 91 is when I revealed to
• 1:16:39
  you? Because it was a fact that, you
• 1:16:41
  know, I can bust in and interrupt you quite a bit when
• 1:16:44
  you're trying to make a point, okay?
• 1:16:45
  And then eventually someone piped up with a comment on
• 1:16:48
  YouTube and said, look, will you let Jack say a point please?
• 1:16:51
  You know, he's the clever of the two of you will you please let
• 1:16:54
  him say something. And then we realized we could
• 1:16:56
  recall this on Zoomers. How will be a bit better as
• 1:16:59
  Zoom. Would favor.
• 1:17:00
  One voiceover the alpha when we both talked at the same time and
• 1:17:04
  it was always you. I don't think that's true.
• 1:17:13
  But you know what? This is your this is your
• 1:17:15
  podcast, your house, your rules. Now, we will be doing a redo of
• 1:17:20
  the wonderful time and the doctor dances, although I do
• 1:17:23
  think we should do another. Asik serious commentary, one day
• 1:17:26
  because we did two Classic series commentaries on what your
• 1:17:31
  to on 91, be praised with a pirate planet where we did
• 1:17:35
  individual episodes on our own. And right, we did the apotheosis
• 1:17:41
  of our podcasting experience, the, the commentary of the holes
• 1:17:45
  of now, I'm on itself. Was today was one of the most
• 1:17:50
  enjoyable was awesome. That's right.
• 1:17:54
  Oh, that was that was a part of me.
• 1:17:57
  That was kind of like that that you know, if we were ever to
• 1:18:01
  stop somewhere. That's our, that's our series
• 1:18:04
  finale, right there, but we kept going And we enjoyed and they
• 1:18:09
  endured, we will be back for the nylon.
• 1:18:13
  Be praised at some point next. Year, and Jack will be back for
• 1:18:19
  this podcast called again. Of all the times.
• 1:18:26
  Although the name will be praised of all the times to
• 1:18:28
  freeze. I said, no, I was trying to make
• 1:18:31
  a joke and say, what's this, bro, what is this podcast
• 1:18:33
  called? But never mind.
• 1:18:36
  We lost the moment. Do you want me to try again?
• 1:18:39
  Do you want to do that joke again?
• 1:18:40
  No, it's I don't worry, there's warts and all this one.
• 1:18:44
  No, it's quiet, but I would like to see what fits for say.
• 1:18:49
  Thank you very much for your time and that was next in July
• 1:18:53
  but We should see out this episode of House of a blunt
• 1:18:57
  penknife with our usual, gnomon be praised ending, given us how
• 1:19:01
  we started. What are we are?
• 1:19:04
  We are we doing one, two, three, then they will be praised or
• 1:19:07
  want to three a hamster with the blunt end?
• 1:19:09
  I the first one. Okay, yeah.
• 1:19:13
  All right, then let's let's do it.
• 1:19:16
  A3 A2 A1, then I won't be praised.
• 1:19:23
  It's like a bike. You never forget.
• 1:19:25
  Forget there.