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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Week nine is in the books,
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Speaker 1: and we are back here with you on another episode
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Speaker 1: of Move the Sticks. What's up, friends, Great to be
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Speaker 1: back here with you. Red Lewis, Bucky Brooks, Daniel Jeremiah,
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Speaker 1: still on root back from Netlife Stadium, where let's just
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Speaker 1: say offense was challenging last night between the Jets and
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Speaker 1: the Chargers, and let's kick this thing off here Bucky
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Speaker 1: by getting to our Monday night football recap, and let's
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Speaker 1: just say the pass abilities are not endless for the
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Speaker 1: Jets offense. They are, in fact, very minimal. And if
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Speaker 1: it's not Garret Wilson in the past game, it feels
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Speaker 1: like it's not working. And they couldn't even run the
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Speaker 1: ball last night. Either offensive line struggled and I felt
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Speaker 1: like we wasted a really good defensive effort.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're Roberts Soliman, you you're just upset because
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Speaker 2: this is a game where defensively you played well enough
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Speaker 2: to give yourself a chance to win. Offensively, you couldn't
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Speaker 2: get it going, you couldn't run the ball. You turn
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Speaker 2: it over three times in the first quarter, didn't give
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Speaker 2: yourself a chance, gave up a big pup return for
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Speaker 2: a touchdown, which normally equates to losing. In the passing games,
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Speaker 2: Zach Wilson didn't have enough time to really make plays,
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Speaker 2: so we can't even really talk about is he or
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Speaker 2: isn't he. He didn't have a chance because he always
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Speaker 2: had a defender sitting in his lap. Just a bad performance,
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Speaker 2: a poor performance from a Jets offense that is still
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out who they are, what they are
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Speaker 2: and how they can get it done. Just unperformed on
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Speaker 2: a major stage.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think that's that's a good point. And
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Speaker 1: to be fair, you know, the Jets offensive line, which
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Speaker 1: you know, at full strength is you know, probably not
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Speaker 1: amongst the best in the league. But when it's not
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Speaker 1: at full strength and missing you know, two three starters,
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Speaker 1: Arry Tucker Al Beckton had to kick over the left tackle.
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Speaker 1: If you have the last couple of weeks, man, it
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Speaker 1: was trouble. You know, you had two Y two yek
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Speaker 1: Poloto with two sacks, Boso with two, Khalil Knack with
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Speaker 1: two the turnovers. The strip sacks Now the one thing
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Speaker 1: that Zach Wilson can do and if you were watching
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Speaker 1: the Manning cast last night, you know, Hayden was let's
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Speaker 1: just say, very frustrated with the ball security within the
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Speaker 1: confines of the pocket Bucky. And that does go back
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Speaker 1: to fundamentals.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes back to fundamentals. And he's always been
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Speaker 2: a guy that is more of a gun slinger when
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Speaker 2: it comes to the way that he played the position.
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Speaker 2: If we do it in basketball urnams, he's more of
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Speaker 2: a score than a natural shooter. He finds a way
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Speaker 2: to get baskets. But it's not always tech book. The
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Speaker 2: thing about that when you have someone who is very
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Speaker 2: loose with the football and very loose in how he
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Speaker 2: plays with zad Wilson hard to build a game plan,
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Speaker 2: how to build a playbook around him. And if you're
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Speaker 2: not good enough upfront to keep everyone at bay and
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Speaker 2: you don't have the weapons on the outside where you
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Speaker 2: can win a bunch of one on one matchups, it
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Speaker 2: just makes his life tough because he's trying to buy time, escape,
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Speaker 2: run around, keep the plays alive until someone can uncover.
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Speaker 2: But it takes a long time for these guys to uncover.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I mean, like even on that
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Speaker 1: last you know, the second to last drive. The last drive,
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Speaker 1: you're just popping those checkdowns to Michael Carter, you know,
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Speaker 1: like they're going out of style, and you know, you
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Speaker 1: just they're just there wasn't those explosive plays that they
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Speaker 1: really needed, It certainly felt like. And then you know,
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Speaker 1: on the flip side, you know, the Jets aren't the
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Speaker 1: only one you know, that that can wear something offensively
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Speaker 1: here in this So Justin Herbert did not have a
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Speaker 1: Herbert like performance here. It was barely over fifty percent
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Speaker 1: completion in this game. And this Chargers offense now has
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Speaker 1: not quite performed the way that we expected it to.
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Speaker 1: You know, in that times it has certainly, but you know,
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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks it's been a little different.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it's been a lot different for the Charges
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Speaker 2: team because now what is happening. The tape on the
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Speaker 2: Charges has circulated around the league. Before early in the year,
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Speaker 2: you were trying to piece meal what Killing more to
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Speaker 2: do from his time at Dallas and what Justin Herbert
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Speaker 2: likes to do from his time being in the league
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Speaker 2: with the Chargers. Now we have enough evidence of watching
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Speaker 2: these two work together. Teams are beginning to understand the
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Speaker 2: concepts they like any tendencies that may show up when
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Speaker 2: they're beginning to study both of these these guys and
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Speaker 2: they're beginning to have a great understanding of the personnel.
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Speaker 2: That said, his disposal, is Kennan Allen able to go?
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Speaker 2: If he is Ellen Gill?
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Speaker 1: What does he provided?
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Speaker 2: What does Mike Williams do? How they wenna use Quinn Johnson?
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Speaker 2: And it goes down a list. They have performed better
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Speaker 2: against the Charges because they have a better understanding of
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Speaker 2: how they want to play, and because they had that
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Speaker 2: understanding and they're beginning to make costs, it really disrupts
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Speaker 2: the way the Charges want to play.
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Speaker 1: So when we look at this now with both of
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Speaker 1: these teams sitting at four and four, the Chargers obviously
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Speaker 1: with the with the win in this one twenty seven
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Speaker 1: to six, move into the tenth spot in the AFC.
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Speaker 1: So both teams definitely still on the outside looking in,
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Speaker 1: but it's pretty clear, you know, you'd have more confidence
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Speaker 1: in what the Chargers are able to do right now
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Speaker 1: because of the quarterback situation. Whereas we heard again what
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Speaker 1: was it postgame or pregame? You know, guys going up
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Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers. Hey, we know it was dertw with
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Speaker 1: James after the game comes up and says, hey, you
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Speaker 1: know when we're going to see you again? He says,
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Speaker 1: you know, a few weeks, which again would be crazy,
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Speaker 1: But at this point, you know, when when does it
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Speaker 1: become like a lost cause for the Jets and for
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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to try to get this thing back and
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Speaker 1: can they hold serve now based on what we're seeing
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Speaker 1: with this offensive line with Zach Wilson, you know, when
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Speaker 1: they can't have it going on offense the way they
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Speaker 1: need to.
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think it is probably situation critical. You
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Speaker 2: probably have about four weeks before he has to go
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Speaker 2: into the mix. You got to give him a chance
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Speaker 2: to have an impact on the game. And the biggest
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Speaker 2: impact that you can have is you win the one
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Speaker 2: that he's playing, He'll win the next one, and then
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Speaker 2: you're hoping that the league does with solid and some
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Speaker 2: gays kind of come back to the pack. It's a
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Speaker 2: really interesting situation scenario when we look at this team
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Speaker 2: and how this team wants to get down. But look,
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Speaker 2: it's gonna take a while for the Jets to kind
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Speaker 2: of get back on top, and they're going to need
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Speaker 2: more than Aaron Rodgers coming back, They're going to need
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Speaker 2: the defense to play like the first team defense and
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Speaker 2: the second team offense where they are scoring points on
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Speaker 2: these hidden phases of the game offensively, they won't be
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Speaker 2: able to score enough points to get in them.
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Speaker 1: So just looking at the next couple of games here
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Speaker 1: for the Jets, They're gonna go to Las Vegas on
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Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football to take on you know, a definitely
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Speaker 1: new look Raiders team with Todio Pierce running the show
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Speaker 1: there at head coach. Then they got to go to
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Speaker 1: Buffalo to take on the Bills. Look, the Bills have
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Speaker 1: been up and down this year, but certainly capable of
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Speaker 1: winning that game. And then the Dolphins, you know, with
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Speaker 1: the explosive ability that they have, can get the Jets
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Speaker 1: score enough points to keep pace there. And then Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: Houston and Miami again. So if you're talking about you know,
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Speaker 1: mid December as a potential spot for Aaron Rodgers to
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Speaker 1: come back, I mean, you've at least got to win
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Speaker 1: three of your next five. It feels like to have
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Speaker 1: a shot. And so we'll see if the Jets can
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Speaker 1: ultimately get that done. Okay, let's move it on here
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Speaker 1: as we get to our rookie draft and boy Bucky on.
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Speaker 2: Oh you know the old goose egg.
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Speaker 1: Not great for you there, pal, But you know the
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Speaker 1: good news is you guys decided at the last second
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Speaker 1: to bring back the quarterbacks into the mix. And you know,
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Speaker 1: clearly I was rolling with my guy CJ. Stroud, So
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Speaker 1: that got me the three. We talked about that on
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Speaker 1: the pot on Monday. Jordan Addison also gets me three
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Speaker 1: from the receiver spot. So you know, I'm just curious
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Speaker 1: because obviously I wasn't here last week, Bucky, how did DJ?
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Speaker 1: Did DJ really appreciate my nine point outing from last
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Speaker 1: week that now has me all the way up at
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Speaker 1: number two, two points behind him in the standing seat.
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Speaker 1: I just want to know did he appreciate that fully?
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Speaker 2: He didn't appreciate it. But much like Big Ten officials
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Speaker 2: are trying to figure out what to do with Michigan,
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Speaker 2: I am trying to figure out what to do with
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Speaker 2: you with these late ads, these clandestine texts that are
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Speaker 2: going to draw where he's picking guys that are maybe
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Speaker 2: on or off the board, and you know, we're kind
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Speaker 2: of stealing signs along the way. So we're just trying
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Speaker 2: to figure out how all of a sudden, Rhett, who
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Speaker 2: was last, is really closed the gap and it's close
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Speaker 2: to being first. I just don't understand like some of
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Speaker 2: the new rules that are kind of in play, because
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Speaker 2: I thought were talking about quarterbacks one week, then quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: are not on the board, but then they're back on
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Speaker 2: the board. Just need clarity, just clarity, ecnsigency so we
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Speaker 2: can play within the rules and kind of figure out
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Speaker 2: a way to be able to get it right.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, as a you know, as a really good,
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Speaker 1: you know, head football coach like you are, Bucky, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you know, you got to be flexible and you've got
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Speaker 1: to be willing to figure out a way to maximize
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Speaker 1: your team's ability. And that that's what I think has
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Speaker 1: ultimately been lacking for you these last couple of weeks.
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt you're going to get things back
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Speaker 1: on track. It just might be too little, too late.
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Speaker 1: But the good news is, but you do have the
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Speaker 1: first pick in this week's draft, So it's gonna go Bucky,
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Speaker 1: and then it's gonna come to me. And then producer
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Speaker 1: Drew has DJ's pre rankings of his rookies for this week,
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Speaker 1: and so we will get DJ back to back picks
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Speaker 1: at three and four and then it'll swing back and
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Speaker 1: snake as it usually does. So this is what we're
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Speaker 1: doing this week. We're going quarterback, We're going running back,
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Speaker 1: and then you have the choice on the pass catcher,
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Speaker 1: can go receiver or tight end. Let's get the buys
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Speaker 1: out here, Bucky, and just make sure we're all on
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Speaker 1: the same page here, No pokinakua. This week. The Rams
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Speaker 1: are on a buy and let's see who else is
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Speaker 1: on the bye. We've got the Dolphins on a bye,
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Eagles. So wow, some star power
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Speaker 1: on the sidelines here this week. In week ten, Sorry, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: you are up pick number one of the draft. Where
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Speaker 1: you head it?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna go with the biggest star in the
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Speaker 2: league right now. The young c J. Stroud will now
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Speaker 2: come on to Team BB and they'll try and help
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Speaker 2: me get out of this rut. And they're playing better
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Speaker 2: because CJ. Stroud is look dealing. He's dealing from the pocket.
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Speaker 2: You have a lot of confidence that he's always gonna
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Speaker 2: keep your team in the mix. When Lama bestowed the
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Speaker 2: same confidence on him, he is going to help me
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Speaker 2: climb out of the cellar and get back to being
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Speaker 2: a very very competitive team.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that brings me up here at number two.
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Speaker 1: So Bucky going with Stroud certainly a good choice there
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Speaker 1: with the number one pick. Now, this is kind of
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Speaker 1: interesting here because there's some tough matchups this week. Stroud
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Speaker 1: going against the Bengals by the way, tough defense, and
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Speaker 1: lou Ana Rimo over there. There's any number of rookies
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Speaker 1: that could ultimately end up starting this week. Although I
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Speaker 1: think Clayton Tune is down and so Kyler Murray is
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Speaker 1: gonna start for the Cardinals this week. I'm not gonna
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Speaker 1: go with Aidan O'Connell against this Jets defense. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure I'm ready for that one just yet. So as
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Speaker 1: we go with the quarterbacks, I kind of feel like
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Speaker 1: the way that CJ. Stroud carved up the Bucks defense
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Speaker 1: last week, I might want to go Will Levis here
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Speaker 1: with the Tennessee Titans going to Tampa here in week ten,
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Speaker 1: Or do I go back and get my running back?
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Speaker 1: You know what I think? Ultimately that's where I'm headed here.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go, and I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: and get Bijon. Give me Bijon back here. Okay, Bijon
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Speaker 1: is getting back into the swing of things against a
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Speaker 1: one in eight Cardinals team. Give me Bjeon Robinson at
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Speaker 1: pick number two, So Drew who we got for DJ
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Speaker 1: at three? So DJ is gonna go with Jamiir Gibbs
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Speaker 1: at three. Oh, he's going Levis. I thought I might
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Speaker 1: be able to sneak it, all right, So it's gonna
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Speaker 1: go Stroud Bijon, and then DJ, with his back to
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Speaker 1: back picks, takes Jamiir Gibbs and Will Levis Levis the quarterback,
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Speaker 1: so he's got his running back in quarterback, just needs
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Speaker 1: this pass catcher with the last pick of the draft.
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Speaker 1: So it comes back to me now pick number five,
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Speaker 1: and I am going to I don't need to take
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Speaker 1: my quarterback, and I can take my choice of the
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Speaker 1: first wide receiver or tight end off the board, and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Tank Dell. Give me Tank Dell,
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Speaker 1: who was Tank Deale outstanding last week for the Houston Texans,
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Speaker 1: called the game winner from CJ. Stroud in addition to
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Speaker 1: another touchdown. So Tank Dell is my pick, which brings
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Speaker 1: you back up here, Bucky with a couple in a row,
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Speaker 1: two picks in a row, for you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, two picks in a row. So I'm sitting here.
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here contemplating who can I go, who can
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Speaker 2: help me get back on track? And so I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: just go and I'm gonna try and figure out if
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Speaker 2: Jordan Addison can get something that I know. Josh Dobbs
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Speaker 2: is coming in. They didn't talk to each other, but
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Speaker 2: they somehow find a way to make some connections. So
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Speaker 2: I will take him as my pass catcher. The tougher
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Speaker 2: thing is trying to figure out who to be my runner.
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Speaker 2: Jamiir Gibbs is off the board. I'm looking, I'm scrolling.
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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here, lock the kids running, not a not
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Speaker 2: a lot of options. So I think what I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: do is because the Broncos come back. I think I'm
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Speaker 2: a gamble on Jalil McLoughlin to see if he comes back. Okay,
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Speaker 2: following the by if they can come back and get
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Speaker 2: me back on track.
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Speaker 1: How about that against the Bills defense. Okay, so that
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Speaker 1: means I need my quarterback. So his light in the pants, yikes.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with Bryce Young as my
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Speaker 1: quarterback going up against the Bears. I feel like that's
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Speaker 1: going to be a nice bounce back for Bryce who
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Speaker 1: threw a couple of picks, three picks really in this
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Speaker 1: matchup at his last game. So Bryce Young is going
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Speaker 1: to be my pick, and then DJ to close it out.
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Speaker 1: It's going to go back to the well with Dalton Kincaid.
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Speaker 1: I think he's gotten the last couple of weeks, so
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Speaker 1: he is the only tight end in the mix this week,
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Speaker 1: even with Sam Laporter back against the Chargers. But DJ
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Speaker 1: is going with Dalton Kincaid with the final pick for
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Speaker 1: the Bills against the Broncos on Monday Night Football. So
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Speaker 1: there you have it. From CJ. Stroud to Dalton Kincaid.
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Speaker 1: We've got it working right there. Okay, So let's a
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Speaker 1: look at some of the offensive rookies we like when
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Speaker 1: we come back here on move the sticks, going to
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Speaker 1: turn the tables to the defensive side of the ball
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Speaker 1: and look at some of those rookie edge rushers. Check
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Speaker 1: in where they are at now just past the halfway
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Speaker 1: point of this season. All right, let's take a look
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Speaker 1: at your twenty twenty three first round edge rusher types
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Speaker 1: here from this last year's draft. As you look at
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Speaker 1: total pressures right now per Pro Football focus. There is
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Speaker 1: Will A. Anderson is far and away the leader of
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Speaker 1: the pack here. The third overall pick has twenty eight
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Speaker 1: pressures right now, Tyree Wilson and Lucas van Ness up
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Speaker 1: there as well as Felix an d. K Uzamo is
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Speaker 1: the last pick of the first round. But there's some
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Speaker 1: interesting kind of nuggets to get into with each one
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Speaker 1: of these guys, and let's start diving into it now here, Bucky.
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Speaker 1: And look, let's start at the top because we talked
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Speaker 1: a lot about C. J. Stroud early in the week
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Speaker 1: here and move the sticks and rightly so, I mean
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Speaker 1: we might be talking about not only rook offensive rookie
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Speaker 1: of the year, but like this guy that might be
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Speaker 1: inserting himself into the MVP conversation here with the way
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Speaker 1: that he has played. But let's on the flip side.
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Speaker 1: Will Anderson I think has been you know, more quietly
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Speaker 1: delivering right on the defensive side with the pressures that
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Speaker 1: he has. He's playing anywhere between forty and fifty five
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Speaker 1: snaps right now, Bucky. So he is a huge part
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Speaker 1: of the Texans defensive effort. They rely on him to
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Speaker 1: you know, really bring the effort and bring the pressure
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Speaker 1: and he's been doing, you know, a really good job
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Speaker 1: and run support as well. So he's kind of been
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Speaker 1: the complete player for them, and he is much more
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Speaker 1: than a rotational player like some of these other rookies.
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Speaker 1: So that's maybe why the numbers are a bit skewed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and numbers are skew because he's looked really really
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Speaker 2: product that we talk about. He has twenty eight precious
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Speaker 2: in this so this guy has seven. That's significant because
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Speaker 2: he also plays for a really good team. A good
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Speaker 2: team will give you opportunities to hunt the quarterback. When
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Speaker 2: you look at the other guys, some of them are
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Speaker 2: on losing teams, so you don't get as many opportunities
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Speaker 2: to get in their track stance and go hunt the
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Speaker 2: quarterback off the edge. The Niners have had the fortune
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Speaker 2: of being able to play in front, which will create
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Speaker 2: and has created. Now the Niners detectives have played in
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Speaker 2: more games what they won, so it's given them opportunities
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Speaker 2: to get after it. And so that's why you've seen
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Speaker 2: Will Anderson. But let's talk about him and his football character.
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Speaker 2: As much as everyone will laud CJ. Stroud about being
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Speaker 2: the franchise guy and what he's brought to the team.
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Speaker 2: Will Anderson has done that. On the other side, he
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Speaker 2: and some of his Alabama teammates have gotten together. They
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Speaker 2: just talk about like their winning pedigree, that attitude, being
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Speaker 2: able to come in and do those things. So as
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Speaker 2: good as he is as a pass rusher, he's been
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Speaker 2: worth his weight in gold in terms of the leadership
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Speaker 2: qualities that he has kind of given this defense. One
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Speaker 2: of the reasons the Houston Texas that bounce up automatic
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Speaker 2: quicker than we expected.
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Speaker 1: C J.
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Speaker 2: Stroud on offense, but Will Anderson absolutely getting the job
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Speaker 2: done on defense.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got such a like, such power like
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Speaker 1: his initial his initial contact with offensive lineman or if
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Speaker 1: you dare tight ends creates such a shock and you
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Speaker 1: can just see it with the way that he generates
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Speaker 1: that force and it knocks guys back almost immediately. So
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Speaker 1: Will Anderson and c J. Stroud, I mean, just a
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Speaker 1: phenomenal haul for the Houston Texans right now. Not to
17:32
Speaker 1: mention what take Tank Dell's doing as a third round pick.
17:35
Speaker 1: Let's move on here down the list. I'll come to
17:38
Speaker 1: you here on on Tyree Wilson Bucky because you know
17:42
Speaker 1: the seven pressures he's definitely been getting more reps as
17:46
Speaker 1: the season has gone on. Obviously missed a lot of
17:48
Speaker 1: the offseason in the summer with injury, but started to
17:51
Speaker 1: started to work his way back here. I just think like,
17:54
Speaker 1: ultimately the Raiders need more, Like they need more from
17:57
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson because Max Crosby gives you max effort on
18:01
Speaker 1: every snap, takes no reps off, So you got to
18:03
Speaker 1: get something else from someone else, and that person is
18:07
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson. How do they unlock that in Las Vegas?
18:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, now they have to find a way to really
18:12
Speaker 2: unlock and it's one of the things that ap Antonio
18:15
Speaker 2: Pearce will will try to do. They'll try and find
18:17
Speaker 2: a way to put the young guy in situations where
18:19
Speaker 2: he can thrive and flourish in those things. But one
18:22
Speaker 2: thing I do know, and listening to Pierce talk to
18:25
Speaker 2: his team, talk to everybody around Greider Nation impressers Tyree
18:30
Speaker 2: Wilson's gonna have to earn the opportunity. It's not just
18:32
Speaker 2: gonna be given to him because he's the first round pick.
18:34
Speaker 2: He is going to have to play and show them
18:36
Speaker 2: in short stints that he deserves more time. So a
18:39
Speaker 2: lot of this is on him and when you go back,
18:42
Speaker 2: you look at him a Texas tech look, big time flasher.
18:45
Speaker 2: You are smitten with the potential in what he could be,
18:48
Speaker 2: but didn't necessarily put it together to the same level
18:51
Speaker 2: of consistency that Anderson did that we talked about for
18:55
Speaker 2: the Texans. This guy needs to splash. He needs make
18:58
Speaker 2: some splash plays because what will happen? And if he
19:00
Speaker 2: makes a splash player too, he earned more opportunities to
19:04
Speaker 2: get up to the passes, but it starts with him.
19:06
Speaker 2: He has to be productive in a limited amount of
19:10
Speaker 2: reps so he can earn the right to have more
19:12
Speaker 2: opportunities to get up to the quarterback.
19:14
Speaker 1: Moving down the line here a little bit. Lucas van
19:16
Speaker 1: Ness is a name that I feel like just has gone,
19:19
Speaker 1: you know, totally untalked about for the majority of this
19:22
Speaker 1: season with the Green Bay Packers. You know, it was
19:24
Speaker 1: a first round pick obviously here and just has not
19:27
Speaker 1: generated that type of buzz. He actually, I think play
19:31
Speaker 1: might have played his best game in his first game
19:34
Speaker 1: Week one, in that rivalry game against the Chicago Bears.
19:37
Speaker 1: Played a ton of snaps use him and as kind
19:39
Speaker 1: of that stand up right outside linebacker. And obviously he's
19:42
Speaker 1: got to fight for snaps too, and fight for reps
19:44
Speaker 1: with Preston Smith and with Rashan Gary, and you know
19:46
Speaker 1: that's obviously a little bit difficult there. But he had
19:49
Speaker 1: five pressures in his first NFL sack comes in that
19:52
Speaker 1: first game, and then you know, the reps started to
19:54
Speaker 1: come off a little bit, so he wasn't getting as
19:57
Speaker 1: many opportunities. But then he kind of started the rat
19:59
Speaker 1: back up here a little bit. I think what you're
20:01
Speaker 1: seeing here with Lucas van Ness is what we saw
20:03
Speaker 1: in the pre draft process. The strength in the athleticism
20:06
Speaker 1: and the physicality is all there in space, and when
20:10
Speaker 1: he's winning, that's ultimately what he's winning with. I think
20:13
Speaker 1: as you get more seasoning for a young player like that,
20:16
Speaker 1: and you can continue to work on your craft, I
20:20
Speaker 1: think you'll start to see that unlock. I wouldn't be
20:22
Speaker 1: shocked if Lucas van Nes comes back next year and starts,
20:25
Speaker 1: you know, a breakout type of campaign early on next season.
20:29
Speaker 1: I think he's going to continue to get better. He's
20:31
Speaker 1: just got all the tools, just got to be able
20:33
Speaker 1: to put it together on a consistent basis. But there's
20:35
Speaker 1: still a lot to like right there. And you also
20:38
Speaker 1: saw them kind of use him a little bit as
20:40
Speaker 1: a you know, hand in the dirt defensive end in
20:42
Speaker 1: that scheme too. Wouldn't be surprised if we see more
20:44
Speaker 1: of that as well for a guy who's six foot fives,
20:47
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pounds. And then as we get
20:49
Speaker 1: down the list here, Bucky, you know, Will McDonald I
20:53
Speaker 1: think is a product of man just there's so much
20:56
Speaker 1: depth with New York. He's not getting the opportunities right
20:59
Speaker 1: with and Lost and Jemie Johnson, like the list goes
21:02
Speaker 1: on and on, but then Miles Murphy and Felix and
21:05
Speaker 1: Ydique Ozama kind of go in the opposite direction. Whereas
21:09
Speaker 1: Fau and the reps are really coming down, he's not
21:11
Speaker 1: seeing as many opportunities. But Miles Murphy, I played his
21:15
Speaker 1: best game this past week against the Buffalo Bills. How
21:17
Speaker 1: do you see that group of guys?
21:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this is really interesting when you just kind
21:24
Speaker 2: of look at this mix and you look at how
21:27
Speaker 2: these guys have been able to get it done. When
21:30
Speaker 2: you don't have the same opportunities as others, you gotta
21:33
Speaker 2: flash and you got to kind of give coaches a
21:35
Speaker 2: reason to kind of continue to keep putting you up there.
21:38
Speaker 2: When you talk about Will McDonald joining the Jets and
21:40
Speaker 2: you think about all the pass rushes that are into
21:42
Speaker 2: rotation for the Jets, he was going to have to
21:44
Speaker 2: be spectacular to earn more than a fifty percent share
21:48
Speaker 2: of the playing time. Hasn't had those opportunities. Yeah, we
21:50
Speaker 2: saw the pressures in those things, but he's going to
21:52
Speaker 2: need somebody to kind of get banged up where he
21:55
Speaker 2: gets more opportunities to play, and then when he gets
21:58
Speaker 2: on the field, he has to take advantage of those opportunities.
22:01
Speaker 2: We talk about the splash plays because Mike Tomlin always
22:04
Speaker 2: talks about those those plays that show up on tape
22:06
Speaker 2: that our game altering place. He's going to have to
22:10
Speaker 2: deliver a strip sack for Smombles something in dead May
22:13
Speaker 2: until the coaches fully trust him and put him in
22:17
Speaker 2: an elevated role on the defense.
22:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, Felix and Udique Zama just four snaps in
22:25
Speaker 1: Germany and just one more name though to think about,
22:28
Speaker 1: and not necessarily on the edge, but has seen some
22:31
Speaker 1: of that and it is beyond the first round, is
22:33
Speaker 1: starting to get more of those reps. Tommy Watta Barre
22:36
Speaker 1: for the Indianapolis Colts a name to kind of file away.
22:40
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Speaker 1: talk Colts Patriots in Germany on NFL Network and streaming
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Speaker 1: on NFL Plus. Certainly feels like two teams trending in
23:13
Speaker 1: the opposite direction. Colts get a big win this past week.
23:17
Speaker 1: Patriots another loss, and a loss that generated questions from
23:23
Speaker 1: the assembled media in Foxborough on Monday directed towards Bill
23:27
Speaker 1: Belichick about his job security. Holy smokes, what world are
23:32
Speaker 1: we living in right now where Bill Belichick is fielding
23:35
Speaker 1: those types of questions? But look, the record speaks for itself.
23:37
Speaker 1: It is not up to the Patriots standard. Do they
23:40
Speaker 1: find a way off us soil to rekindle some of
23:45
Speaker 1: that Patriot magic here, Bucky? Or are we just done?
23:49
Speaker 1: At this point.
23:51
Speaker 2: No, I think they found a way to get it
23:52
Speaker 2: done against the Indianapolis coach. Part of the reason is
23:54
Speaker 2: because Bill Belichick will find a way to make like
23:57
Speaker 2: miserable for goaring to Minshew in the pocket. Despite the
24:00
Speaker 2: superiority when it comes to their talent, even the level
24:04
Speaker 2: of physicality that the Coats played with right now compared
24:07
Speaker 2: to the Patriots. This is one that the game is
24:10
Speaker 2: still decided about the play of the quarterback. I cannot
24:13
Speaker 2: in good faith think that Garner Minshew is going to
24:15
Speaker 2: find a way to kind of crack the code and
24:18
Speaker 2: just unlock and unleash passes to the tune of three
24:21
Speaker 2: hundred yards. To me, this is a close game because
24:24
Speaker 2: the Patriots make it a close game and then they
24:26
Speaker 2: find a way to steal it at the end.
24:29
Speaker 1: And you know, you just kind of wonder what kind
24:31
Speaker 1: of chess game does Shane Stikeen want to play with
24:33
Speaker 1: the game playing here against Bill Belichick if he's worried
24:36
Speaker 1: about what Belichick can do to Gardner Minshew in the pocket.
24:40
Speaker 1: Does this kind of become, you know, one of those
24:43
Speaker 1: let's say, old school Tennessee Titan with Ryan Tannehill games,
24:46
Speaker 1: or one of those old school Jimmy Garoppolo with the
24:48
Speaker 1: forty nine ers games where they just take the air
24:50
Speaker 1: out of the football and run the rock with Jonathan
24:53
Speaker 1: Taylor and Zach Moss, and you just try to find
24:55
Speaker 1: a way to you know, shorten the game, keep the
24:58
Speaker 1: thing closed, find a way to win it late. I
25:01
Speaker 1: don't know, I could certainly see that happening with I mean,
25:04
Speaker 1: because that's clearly still the strength of this football team,
25:06
Speaker 1: even though you know Michael Pittman junior Josh Downs when
25:09
Speaker 1: he's healthy, and you know they've proven that they can
25:12
Speaker 1: they can move the ball through the air. But I
25:14
Speaker 1: just I just wonder if you take the risk out
25:15
Speaker 1: of this thing against the Patriots team that showed very
25:18
Speaker 1: little on offense and just try to try to dominate
25:21
Speaker 1: the clock and dominate the game that way with that group.
25:23
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised on that one, Bucky, No, I.
25:26
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be surprised. And here's the thing when we look
25:29
Speaker 2: at this matchup and look, those two guys would rate
25:33
Speaker 2: amongst the top fifteen players in this game Japha to
25:36
Speaker 2: Tatler Zagmoss collectively or being able to get it done.
25:39
Speaker 2: Talking about a running a rushing attack completely turning around
25:43
Speaker 2: when guys show up, So these guys can make life
25:46
Speaker 2: tough on the pages and if they're committed to running
25:49
Speaker 2: the football because they want to protect garn and Minshew. Yeah,
25:52
Speaker 2: this game going to the fourth quarter being within one score,
25:55
Speaker 2: but then it comes a matter of who do you trust,
25:57
Speaker 2: who you count on, who do you lean on in
26:00
Speaker 2: those moments. I'm gonna go with the Bengals like I'm
26:03
Speaker 2: gonna go on the other side in a tough one,
26:05
Speaker 2: just because I think the Patriots find a way to
26:08
Speaker 2: continue to confound gonna mention and that's ultimately the deciding factor.
26:12
Speaker 1: All right, Well, well, looking forward to it. It's been
26:15
Speaker 1: a great atmosphere there and Frankfurt was for the Chiefs.
26:17
Speaker 1: Dolphins can't wait to see this one this Sunday, nine
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26:43
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