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Legendary Green Bay Packer Lived out of a U-Haul Truck · Sports Exchange

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  Speaker 1: Goody and everybody welcome to their distant those sports exchange.
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  Speaker 1: My name is not Morgan, MotorCity MEDMA have more people
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  Speaker 1: coming in later on. We've got Market at nine thirty, Nico,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be on at nine five, and the New York
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  Speaker 1: guys Chris and Robert walso poppin as well. So meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna start off with well you had last week
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  Speaker 1: and that being Cliff, Neil, Ark Katz and Candy. I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad to have this group on again, but that's it.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to begin to show off with the Milwaukee
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  Speaker 1: Brewers all time line up. I'm gonna read them and
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  Speaker 1: then everybody can talk about them. And in that list though,
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  Speaker 1: I have added Hay Aaron and Pat Murphy on there,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm only talking about what was listed from my source,
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  Speaker 1: and then you can make changes. Outfielders include Greg Vaughn,
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  Speaker 1: Ryan Braun, Christian Yelich. Your infielders include Paul Molitor, Robin Yell,
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  Speaker 1: Rickey Weeks, Sheecil Cooper, starting pitchers, Ben Sheets, your relief pitchers,
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  Speaker 1: Josh Hater catcher, Jonathan Lucroi, d H. Prince fielder and
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  Speaker 1: of course they're listening to manager Craig Counsel. All right, Cliff,
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  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts?
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  Speaker 2: Where's Ted Simmons? Well, Ted Simmons a catcher. I was like, Ted.
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  Speaker 1: Simmons, Yeah there now thanks to you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Ted Simmons. I think it's a glaring Hey,
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  Speaker 2: Troy missing on there. There's other solid guys in there.
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  Speaker 2: I love me some Robin Robin, even though I'm from
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  Speaker 2: New York, absolutely adored robbing you out growing up. Heck,
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  Speaker 2: I even liked him better at short stuff than Cal Ripkin.
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  Speaker 2: And I have nothing but respect for Cal Ripkin. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, Robin Yu, he's mister Brewer to me. Paul
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  Speaker 2: moll Tour of course. Uh, Gorman Thomas, and he thought
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  Speaker 2: of Gorman Thomas in there. Gorman Thomas was uh, you know, yes,
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  Speaker 2: he was a lot when it came down to it.
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  Speaker 2: He was remind me of like Dave Kingman in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways. Either home runner, strikeout, but he had
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  Speaker 2: some other solid years there too. Fingers fingers. Another really
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  Speaker 2: relief picture in there that might be someone Hey, and
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  Speaker 2: I know we we we the kids just getting started.
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  Speaker 2: But that guy cann uh the new picture that they got,
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  Speaker 2: he's yeah, he's like, I'm like Oh my gosh, he's
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  Speaker 2: got we got we gotta wait on him. We got
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  Speaker 2: to see.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I'll say it was about your choice.
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  Speaker 1: Bout hey, Troy Garry, glad him in here. Man. We
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  Speaker 1: gotta get on the phone and see what else we
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  Speaker 1: can do, Troy. But thanks for popping in off Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna say one thing about one of
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  Speaker 1: your choices, Eric Candy Ted Simmons. I like, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: because he actually grew up in an area that I
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  Speaker 1: grew up called Southfield, Michigan. So I'm partial. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: I like that one. Great stuff. Look this guy, all right, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, where's Prince Fielder?
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  Speaker 1: He is on there?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, how about obviously, uh, you gotta first starting picture.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta include Corbett Burns in there. That's that's cy
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  Speaker 3: Burns and the closer. You know, I probably you gotta
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  Speaker 3: include Josh Hater in my opinion, because he was.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's on that list, Eric, I read the list.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, how about the list again? Yeah, I got it.
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  Speaker 3: How about how about William Thomas consistent as consistent as
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  Speaker 3: they consistent as.
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  Speaker 1: They out him? Yeah, the list has got Josh Hater
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  Speaker 1: on there, Paul Mulcher, Robbie Dell, Ricky Weeks, they put
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  Speaker 1: him in second. Cecil fielder Christian Yellich, Ryan Brown, Greg Vaughan,
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan LUKEROI Prince fielders on there, and I also added
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  Speaker 1: honorable mention Hank Garon and Pat Murphy. The reason why
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  Speaker 1: I put Hank Aaron on there is she got his
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  Speaker 1: final home runs there. But he also played for the
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  Speaker 1: Milwaukee Range, so he meant a lot to the city
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  Speaker 1: of Milwaukee. That's why I put him on that list.
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  Speaker 3: I'd include Brandon. I would probably put Brandon Woodrup on
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  Speaker 3: that list too, okay, because he's been because he's stayed
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  Speaker 3: a lot longer than the average player. You know, yes
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  Speaker 3: he's been hurt, but he stayed a lot longer than
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  Speaker 3: the average player has in Milwaukee in recent years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'll give you that candy.
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  Speaker 4: My favorite topic I would I would add ccil Cooper.
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  Speaker 1: Hm Well in there.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, did you put was Don Money or on there?
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  Speaker 2: Money?
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  Speaker 1: Put Don Money on there? But you're old enough to
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  Speaker 1: know who.
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  Speaker 2: That is that I remember money.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Don Muney is a pretty steady player.
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  Speaker 4: He had eleven and sixty eight hits. Yeah, Ben Ogilvie
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  Speaker 4: had eleven four, Jeff Jacobs twelve one. Ryan Brown obviously,
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  Speaker 4: uh let's see, yeah, I uh bj Sirhoffkay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was catcher. It was a catcher for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well see, here's the thing. He played catcher, third base
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  Speaker 4: and left field. Robignell played shortstop and center field. Paul
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  Speaker 4: Maller played third base and second base, so did Don Money.
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  Speaker 4: Ben Ogley played the outfield. Ryan Brown actually played left field,
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  Speaker 4: right field, a very little bit at third base, starting pitcher.
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  Speaker 4: I think i'd kind of I'd put Ben Sheets in there.
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  Speaker 4: Is he he's in there, Brandon. I might even put
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  Speaker 4: Teddy hagera okay. Teddy had an e R A three
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  Speaker 4: point six one with the Brewers ninety four wins and
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  Speaker 4: played for nine nine season, pitched for US nine seasons.
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  Speaker 4: As far as relievers, who did you put in there?
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  Speaker 1: Tash Hater was a top the list. Probably fiers I've added.
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  Speaker 4: And I might even put Dan Pleezak in there. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: he pitched quite quite a while. Let me think, Yukovich,
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know a lot of people don't remember Damn pleaxact. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: he's on MLB network, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Know this is gonna sound kind of different, But for
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  Speaker 4: a while he played with the Brewers. Devin Williams had
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  Speaker 4: an a r A at one point eight three. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he might not be doing as well after he left
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  Speaker 4: the Brewers, but he did well as a Brewer.
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  Speaker 2: He's the modern day Ed Witson.
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  Speaker 3: He was, he was, Yeah, he was an Yeah when
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  Speaker 3: Devon was there before Peter Lonzo's home run who he
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  Speaker 3: was an all star caliber closer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's he's ed Whitson. He Yeah, he goes
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  Speaker 2: to New York. Edwardson had this good career and then
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  Speaker 2: he went to New York and he just fell apart. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Devin Williams is the new Edwitson.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well William Devin Williams didn't eaten up into Big
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  Speaker 1: Apple G.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna say at Edwardson also beat Billy Martin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: John Oxford played for the Brewers for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: He played from behind the twenty twenty one. So that's
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  Speaker 4: a pretty long career.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That nineteen eighty two team, it just had so many
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  Speaker 2: good players on that team. It was such a look
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  Speaker 2: they had that you know, bent me out and Ogilvy
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  Speaker 2: and and money and small there he was just it's
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  Speaker 2: like the old time. A good chunk of the old
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  Speaker 2: time team is from that.
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  Speaker 1: That that team, Harvey King, Harvey's Lall Bangers, as I
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  Speaker 1: remember correctly.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, the bar still the bar still there it Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the bar is still there. I don't know who owns
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  Speaker 3: it now, but the actual bar is still their same location.
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  Speaker 1: And do they have the number of billion all that
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  Speaker 1: in there from there too?
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  Speaker 3: I would, I would probably imagine.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll go ahead and take it right in there
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  Speaker 1: one day and we'll talk about it on a baseball
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  Speaker 1: that's her. That's her assignment for the center.
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  Speaker 3: I know exactly where it is. I just might walk
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  Speaker 3: in forderick.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm from New York, but I have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of love for the Milwaukee Brewers. I've always loved their
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  Speaker 2: logo with the m B and the boat and the
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  Speaker 2: baseball glove. And then heck myself, myself, my church softball team,
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  Speaker 2: our our jersey was like the light blue instead of
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  Speaker 2: you know, in that same style. And you know, we
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  Speaker 2: even did a little thing with the little because we
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  Speaker 2: were Hemfield United met this, so we kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a little little thing with it, and it was like
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  Speaker 2: just like Milwaukee Brewers. So yeah, here.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a guy you might have forgot. Jeff Sirillo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah he was.
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  Speaker 3: He was up bright light and some pretty dark years
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  Speaker 3: for the Brewers.
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  Speaker 1: Say, I good like the list, like the add on,
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  Speaker 1: Let's continue to move forward. Ex Maryland basketball coach Mark
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  Speaker 1: Turzohn has been hired by the University of Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: Grew up in Topeka, Kansas, Maryland. He was with Maryland
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  Speaker 1: from two thousand and eleven to twenty one. He had
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  Speaker 1: a two D and twenty six and one sixteen Mark
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  Speaker 1: five NCAA's one fleet sixteenth clus near Neck of the Woods.
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  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about the job that Mark for
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  Speaker 1: John did and he's headed to the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's definitely a smaller program from where he
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  Speaker 2: I mean go from Maryland and a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: time of Whichitah State over there, and he had he
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  Speaker 2: had definitely two different jobs there. He was trying to
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  Speaker 2: bring some credibility back to Whichita State there and he
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  Speaker 2: definitely Maryland was the higher end program. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: it's only going to be a good thing for Kansas
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  Speaker 2: City there. It's not exactly the biggest uh program. But
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  Speaker 2: if they're gonna want to turn it around, I think
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a good, uh, a good influence for
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  Speaker 2: that team to have some success in the hopefully not
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  Speaker 2: too distant future.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Mark Sturgeon to me, he's been winter
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  Speaker 1: wherever he's gone.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Eric, I think it's a good hire. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that. I think COVID is what
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  Speaker 3: really kind of really hurt his momentum at Maryland because
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  Speaker 3: he had that team tie for first in the Big
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  Speaker 3: Ten right right when the pandemic comes struck, and then
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  Speaker 3: he was just never able to recover since. But it's
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  Speaker 3: a good hire. You know, you're bringing a guy in
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  Speaker 3: who's been at bigger schools and who's won everywhere he's gone,
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  Speaker 3: and I think this is a good stepping stone for
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  Speaker 3: him to kind of get back of the big leagues.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Candy, Yeah, he's he's been a coach for quite
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  Speaker 4: a while. He began his head coaching, or began coaching
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  Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty seven, started at Kansas, went to Oregon.
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  Speaker 4: I mean these are all his assistants Philadelphia seventy six ers.
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  Speaker 4: So he went into the NBA as well. Then he
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  Speaker 4: went to Jacksonville State, Wichita State, Texas, and Maryland and
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  Speaker 4: now he's at Kansas City. His head coaching record overall
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  Speaker 4: is four seventy six two seventy five, so he has
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  Speaker 4: a winning percentage was great. He won championships the MVC
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  Speaker 4: regular season in two thousand and six and Big Ten
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  Speaker 4: Regular season in twenty twenty. He won MVC Coaching the
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  Speaker 4: Year in twenty post six and Big Ten Coach of
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  Speaker 4: the Year in twenty fifteen. So I think it's a
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  Speaker 4: good good hire. I mean he's been out for a
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  Speaker 4: couple of years. He last coached back in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 4: I think he now took some time off and now
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  Speaker 4: he wants to get back into coaching and hopefully he
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  Speaker 4: has some good success.
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  Speaker 1: Now. You know, you guys talked about Willia Donnas. I
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  Speaker 1: think this is pretty interesting to talk about and we're
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  Speaker 1: going to add it. Willia DNAs actually last year was
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  Speaker 1: the first Fan Francisco Giants player with thirty home runs
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  Speaker 1: on the season since Harry Bonds in two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 1: So that was pretty interesting. So let's talk about him
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Cliff, what your talks about Willia.
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  Speaker 2: Domas well, you just brought brought it up because he
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  Speaker 2: was always a good solid player for the team. He
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  Speaker 2: seems to be doing well for San Francisco. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: guess I don't know if i'd still put him in
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  Speaker 2: the best Milwaukee Breweries of all time. But I mean, he's, he's,
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  Speaker 2: he's done respectable in this league. He'd make the Mets better.
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  Speaker 2: I know, that's for sure. They couldn't be any worse.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, he's he's, he's he's uh he contributes, uh
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  Speaker 2: in the way he contributes, and he's a good solid
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  Speaker 2: player to have and uh but I mean he's kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. But he might be doing pretty well for
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco, but San Francisco seems to have some other issues.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that eventually. With that great point, I
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  Speaker 1: just figured sisterly brown a damas up. Well, Eric, continue on.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Willia Domas I mean, for like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I always have a saft spot for him because he
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  Speaker 3: was one he was my favorite for when he when
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  Speaker 3: he came. He you know, in just just over three
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  Speaker 3: and a half years, he had over one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seven home runs for the Crew. He's still very much
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  Speaker 3: liked in Milwaukee. No one blamed No one blames them
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  Speaker 3: at all for for leaving. But they hit thirty home runs.
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  Speaker 3: When you're playing, when you're playing eighty one games a
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  Speaker 3: year in a ballpark that's notoriously pitcher friendly, is is
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  Speaker 3: pretty good, especially when when you're given the dimensions of
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  Speaker 3: that ballmark you really you really have to you know,
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  Speaker 3: in order to hit one out, you really have to
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  Speaker 3: give it a whack. So but you know, good, but good,
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  Speaker 3: but good for Willie, No one blames him here for
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  Speaker 3: leaving and and taking the money. But he's always been
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  Speaker 3: a good player. But I think I think San Francisco
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  Speaker 3: swung a little too high there and paid him all
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  Speaker 3: star caliber money when he's simply a solid player.
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  Speaker 1: Agree Candy.
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  Speaker 4: In twenty twenty four, Adamis tied the major league shortstop
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  Speaker 4: record for hitting a home run in five consecutive games.
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  Speaker 4: Now this is what the Brewers understand. He shares the
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  Speaker 4: record with Eddie Miller, Alex Rodriguez, Cory Singer, Trey Turner,
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  Speaker 4: and Tyler Fitzgerald. In he He also started all but
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  Speaker 4: one of the Brewers regular season games that year, all
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  Speaker 4: but one. Then he was traded obviously or he signed
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  Speaker 4: a seven year, one two million dollar contract with the
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco Giants. Included twenty two million dollars signing bonus,
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  Speaker 4: a full no trade clause, and no deferred money. As
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  Speaker 4: of December twenty twenty four, it was the largest contract
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  Speaker 4: ever given up by the Giants and yes. On September
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  Speaker 4: twenty eighth of twenty twenty five, on the final game
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  Speaker 4: of the series season, Adamas became the first Giants player
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  Speaker 4: since Barry Bonds to hit thirty home runs in a
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  Speaker 4: single season. But can we can we talk about where
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  Speaker 4: he started? Scott he signed He signed with the Detroit
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  Speaker 4: Tigers as an international free agent in July of twenty twelve. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: he was involved in a three team trade back on
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  Speaker 4: July thirty first of twenty fourteen that sent him, Drew
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  Speaker 4: Smiley and Nick Franklin to the Tampa Bay Rays. Austin
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  Speaker 4: Jackson was sent to Seattle and David Price to the
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  Speaker 4: Detroit Tigers.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I remember that David Price. And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that was a good short term for Detroit because
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  Speaker 1: David Price was a heck of a player. Eric. If
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  Speaker 1: anybody knows what.
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  Speaker 3: Price, go ahead, I mean yeah, I mean he was
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  Speaker 3: a great, great picture for the Rays, the Rays, the
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  Speaker 3: Red Sox, the Tigers. I mean, just a solid arm
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  Speaker 3: like in there. I know he was a big part
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  Speaker 3: of that twenty eighteen Red Sox team going to the
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  Speaker 3: World Series, and I know he was huge especially early
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  Speaker 3: on for the Rays in there and having in the
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  Speaker 3: success that they had.
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• 19:31
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• 19:35
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• 19:37
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• 19:43
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• 19:47
  Speaker 1: had a good job Eric Indy on Saturday edition of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Baseball he did. Yeah, I think this guy's pretty smart.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So Clift. These are a few of your new teammates
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: as well. And you know, like I said said, we're
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: always trying to do what we can to grow this
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  Speaker 1: platform as much as we can, and I always like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to get people from different parts of the country to
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: go ahead and do that. So with that said, we'll
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: go ahead and talk a little bit about Donald Driver
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: or actually, and then as more and more people come in,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: we'll incorporate the topic and get more opinion. But legendary
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Green Bay Packer wide receiver, Donald Driver once lived out
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: of a U haul Tek under a bridge. Wow, what
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: do you think? Clip?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I never knew about that. I've always known
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: about Donald Driver, a great wide receiver for the Packers,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: but I was not familiar with that story before growing up.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Apparently that happened. It was a tough upbreaking. Some financial
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: issues wound up popping up and they were forced to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: do that.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: It's that's that just shows you the uh, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the the perseverance and sometimes people go through and can
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: really drive them and uh actually appreciate when they do
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: make it, make it and appreciate the path to when
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: they do finally make it to that position. And uh yeah,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it's that's just a testament to how hard he worked.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: He could have just very easily given up and you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: but didn't, and he got all the way to the
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: NFL and played very very well for more Green Bay
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: for a very long time.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, okay, Eric.
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, just it just it just shows you
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: just how just how gritty he really was. I mean
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I always knew him, you know obviously as a what.
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: What go ahead? Eric? Go ahead?
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Okay? But Yeah, I always knew. I always knew down
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: the driver. Oh all right, I always knew Donald drive
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: as a very gritty wide receiver for the for the
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: for the Green Bay Packers, and you know, just just
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: hearing how far he came to being like to being
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: like one of the better wide receivers for a long
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: time in the NFL. It's just it's just a testament
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: just how just how how hard he worked, because I
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: know at one point he had like six or seven
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: straight seasons of a thousand or more receiving yards. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously won a Super Bowl with the Packers
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: in twenty ten, so and was obviously one of Brett
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Farr's favorite targets.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hitty.
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  Speaker 4: So Donald is very open about this. Donald wrote, uh,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: he wrote a book about it, and he said the
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: reason behind the book was just telling the story for me,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: was trying to put everything in perspective and letting people
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: know that regardless of what obstacles you may face in life,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: whatever adversity that you may overcome anything, you just have
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: to continue to believe that you can be successful. So, yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: his family, he's very open about his time as a child. Now,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: they confiscated his house and all the possessions, and that's
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: why they went and lived in the U haul.
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  Speaker 6: He was one of five children, and he talked a
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: lot of times and.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Gives a lot of credit to his parents. At one point,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: him and his older brother when they were teenagers, they
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: actually began stealing cars and stool drugs during their teenager
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: years in order to make it from day to day.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: At the age of fourteen, he moved in with his grandmother,
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Betty Lofton, and his life started to turn around at
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: that point. And then he shined as an athlete in
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: high school and everything like that. But yeah, his early
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: years were rough.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, welcome Market bilsoner of the show Marky, glad to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: have you.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: Back, by friend, Thank all, thank you.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: We're going to bring in with a quick rags of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: riches story very quickly. Donald Driver goes from a U
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Haul talk truck to the Green Bay Packers. What are
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: your thoughts about those types of stories?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean I had heard what you said,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: and I mean it was like he was a thousand
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: yard receiver for some years, one of the best. I always, yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: thought that Donald Driver was one of the better receivers
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: in the NFL. I mean I remember those Green Bay
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: and Aaron Rodgers Packers teams and such. You know, so
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: there is there a question about that. I am a
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: little surprised to learn not. You know, you say rags
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: are riches.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: I am always disappointed, like what was just said about
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: oh I needed to deal dope or something like that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, Jerome Vet has mentioned that in his biography,
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: and it's such a disappointment because you have you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: very you know are taking. You think that a Donald Driver,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: drum bettet is better than that even in their youth,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: you know. I mean that is a big disappointment.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: But nevertheless, uh and I don't mean to just blow
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: that off, but you know, uh, if the question was
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: was Driver one of the better wide receivers? Of course
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: he was right. So you know I.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Will not We got Marky back, so we're going to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: talk to you about the Pittsford fire and how about there.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to trust her all time life. Go lead
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: up with you, Marky. Okay, here's here's what I have.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Your free to add to this list. Okay, Marky. Your
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: outfielders include Roberto Clemeny, Andrew McCutcheon, Ralph Kiner, Pie Trainer.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I know you're old enough for that one, right, Maybe
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: maybe not right? Okay, honest wack?
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: That was who can American The old time Pittsburghers will
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: know exactly what I'm talking about. Pie Trainer was a
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: very popular sportscaster in his post playing career, and he
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: is sponsored by American Keating Oil. And that was his tagline.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: That was, you know, Till Rizuto in the money store.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to think if uh, now, let's see you're
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: talking about Brett Barvin Wrangler jeans or something like that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: You know, that was what he was synonymous with as
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: a sponsor.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Great stuff. I like this, great stuff. I like her.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Let me continue the less. You got Hannas Wagner shortstop,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: second bateman, Bill Mansarowski, first baseman, Willie Stargel. You're starting pitcher,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: they said, wilbrid Cooper. Right. The relief pitcher is Roy
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Faith Catcher, Jason Kendall, d H. Barry Bonds. And also
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: they talk about Fred Clark is a manager. I had
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: a couple of honorable mentions in there. You can add
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Jim Leland to the group. You can add Chuck Tanner,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Danny Murtau. All Right, Markue, go for it.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Okay, First of all, you want to mean a pirate
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: history here. I would not take Kendall as the catcher
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: because I thought he would have too many defensive liabilities.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: I would my own personal pick would be Tony Pania.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: A popular pick would be Manny Sanghian, who was the
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: captor of the great teams of the seventies. Pretty good.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: My first game, by the way, was the last game
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: that Manny san but that I ever attended as little boy,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: was the last game Manny Sanghian ever caught in the
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: big leaguees. He actually played his last season. He never caught,
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: but as a seventy nine Next and Penultimen Game of
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: the year. They put into cat late in the game
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: and all this. But yeah, that was anyway, But I was,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: you know, it's a toss up between Sangy, I think,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: and Tanya. I would take Paynia, but I know the
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: popular pick would probably be Sanghian. Manager. I would not
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: take Fred Clark. I'm going to tell you why. I
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: give you a little story that very few people know.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: But one hundred years ago, the Pirates had a team
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: that was supposed to be a dynasty. It was supposed
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: to last for a long time. They won the World
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Series in nineteen twenty five, but Barney Dreyfus, who was
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: the owner of the Pirates and Bill forbesfield and architect
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: of the World Series and so on, was taking a
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: trip overseas. Bill mcketney, who I might choose as the
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: all time Pirate manager, was a very laid back manager.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: And there's to be elaborate, but just take this anyway.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Because of that, Clark was taken out of retirement. You're
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: going to be m keckney's right hand man, You're going
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: to be his top coach. And basically Clark did every
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: old school thing. He ran off Max Carey, who was
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame center fielder who I would probably
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: put in center field because he's in Hall of Fame.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know if Kutch would be. You know, he may,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: but I don't know that he will. Ran him off.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Babe Adams, who was maybe the greatest Pirate pitcher ever.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Cooper is the winning East. Adams played on two World
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: champions and I think his nineteen or nine season might
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: be the best season a rookie pitcher ever ed. He
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: he was There was another veteran that he ran off
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: nobody remembers Carson big b but he was a legitimate
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: player of his day, and he was so that the
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: players legitimately started revolting, and mckeckney originally joined in with
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: them and then kind of got the idea that his
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: job was on the line, and so he then started
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: going in with management, and that basically cost him keckney
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: his job as Pirate manager. Now where I'm going with
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: this is that the next season they get a new
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: manager and he basically runs Kai Kai Kyler off the team.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Why did he? Twenty seven Yankees sweep the Pirates in
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: the World Series, they didn't use Kai Kai Kyler Hall
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: of Fame outfielder nineteen twenty five set the club record
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: for total bases. He's sitting on the bench. You think
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: that that might have had a little bit of an influence.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: And I do wonder if the twenty seven Yankees, they
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: might not be thought of universally as the greatest team
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: if they didn't sweep the Pirates. I think Kyler could
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: have made a big difference. So you're looking at this.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Then the Bucks they trade away Kyler the next year
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: for a couple of guys nobody remembers Sparky Adams and
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: a player I've forgotten. Kyler goes the Cubs. The next year,
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: the Arits finish a distant second to the Cubs in
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: the National Inepennant. In thirty two, they finished four games back.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: I think Kyler might have made the difference. So because
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: of Clark basically being this, you know, it's my team
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: now when it really wasn't, he essentially destroyed what could
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: have been a dynasty and sent the Pirates on a
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: streak of thirty three straight endless seasons. Yes, I mean
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: he was the manager in the nineteen oughts and won
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: four pennants, but you know, the second half of his
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: career did far more harm than good. And as for
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: mcket name, in twenty eight he led the Cardinals to
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: the pennant, and in nineteen forty he became the first
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: manager to win the World Series with two different teams
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: when he did with the Reds. So that's the guy
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: that they ran off. He's in the Hall of Fame, right.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: Uh you know, So those are some guys that I
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: probably wouldn't dh. I don't like the rules, so I
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: just pass on that you could take bonds over Kiner.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: I would not just as kind of every year he
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: ever played with the Pirates led them in home runs.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Bonds might be the best player between Ruth and o'tani,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: but you know, he didn't lead the league in home
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: runs every year he played for the team. I mean,
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: you know, that's pretty impressive, and not with a lot
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: not a lot of protection in the lineup. So and
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: there were in the seven years to play the Foxes
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: rookie season, he knew he was up in commer, but
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: he was only eating two twenty three, you know, I mean,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: he was getting accustomed to the major leagues, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: that sort of thing. Kinner as a rookie led the
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Majors and home or the National League and home runs
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: the whopping twenty three. But nevertheless, so, I mean I
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: would probably take Kinder just for that reason. But overall,
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Bonds may be the best player of anyone that you
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: just named, right, But yeah, I think that. Other than that,
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: I've seen some people that did metrics that actually said
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Dave Cash was the greatest, the second baseman of the Pirates.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: But I'm not about ready to put Dave Cash over
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer. I mean, I understand why Cutch,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: you want a modern player in there would be the
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: center field or I might go Hall of Fame with
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Carry or Lloyd Wayner who was a centerfielder. Paul Wayner
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: was a right fielder, you.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Know all that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I would Yeah, if you're looking at my
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: all time list, Cooper is the all time Pirates victory leader,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: I might go. I might go Babe Adams, though, I
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: mean that's a long time ago. But if you look
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: at his nineteen o nine season, uh, this is a
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: one thirty era. The rest of his stats are outstanding,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: and then he goes and wins three games in the
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: old Series. That's a pretty good rookie season. Yeah, so
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: I might do I might do that in terms of
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: someone who had more modern uh you know, and more
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: recent the I mean you have dud dre Beck was
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: a cy Young Award winner and yeah, then he goes
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: off to the astros such as being a Pirates fan,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: you know this sort of thing. So I think the
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: pictures that you're looking at starting picture, you might have
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: to go along with Schemes. I mean a lot of
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: people are saying Schemes is the best picture the Pirates
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: have had since they can remember. So you know, there
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: you go I suggest that relief picture. I mean, you know, face,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: I think you can choose from face to Colvy, Dave
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: Gusty and you won't go wrong anyway with me.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Of those guys a great list. So I know you're
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: on until ten. I want to get one or two
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: more topics and with Mark.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Ok we've got four championship at the NBA, we got
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: the NHL, we got the World Cup, we got car
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: Olling t World Series. We're talking the old time Pirates. Okay,
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: I can do it.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, why hey, come on, we got it. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: like to I like to give you a Pittford topic once.
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, why not.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Damn listen, you're the Pittsburgh authority. So I'm gonna go
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: out there and do. Yeah. We have a lot going on,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: for sure, so you know whether it would come on
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: nine nine thirty, We'll make sure we get if you
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: feel it home with Wilson, Okay, Eric, go ahead, Why
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: don't you what's your shot box about the Pirates?
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, the Pirates have had a
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: lot of greats go through there. I probably put is
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: Paul Warner in there, the big poison Paul or Wayner.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes, big Poison. Yes, I mean from way back
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: in the day. Uh. The thing about him is, you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: they've had a lot of great left fielders with the
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Pioneer Arts. I mean, Bonds, Kyner, Stargold began as a
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: left fielder. We got a lot of great right fielders too,
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: Parker Clemente and Paul Wayner was a right fielder. So
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: it's friend Clark for them, mat or it was a
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: fine player in his day.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, ye know, and also and also you gotta,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, even though he did leave for Houston,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: which was in the National League at the time, you
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: have to include Doug grayback, Ok.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're looking at all time. I mean, you
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: had a great list there. You know, I do agree
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: with Eric that Paul Winter his hits are two and
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: sixty eight, Roberto Clementees three thousand obviously, and then as
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: far as pictures, yeah, I think you got a fall.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I think you got to put Paul Skins even though
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: he's got just a short uh span here. But uh,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I would also put that one's I mean, you've had
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: you had quite a list there. Kind of think if
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: there's anybody else did you put kent.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: To youah know, I actually like him.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: Oh who doesn't, And he is a wonderful storyteller if
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: you ever should make his acquaintance. I mean, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: he's an I used to do the postgame show with
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: the Pirates on TV and was just so engaging and
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: asked Teak and you watch the postgame show. I mean
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: you knew the Bucks were going to lose, but you
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: just watch the postgame show, you know that sort of thing.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: And Sky you had John Candelaria on there, No, I
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: did not. I would put him on there. I mean
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: he you know, he pitched from seventy five to ninety
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: three with an e are of three point one seven.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: So here's a back in the day one. You could
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: probably put Vic Willis in there.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Yes, Hall of Famer the if you want to talk,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: you know, be a Saber guy and talk to history
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: of baseball. Those teams way back one in the nineteen
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Thoughts had tremendous you know pitching staff, Deacon Philippe, who
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: is actually a descendant Ryan Philippe, the actor is a
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: descended something right there. But you know it was a
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: wonderful pitcher of that era. U and very dominant Jack
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Chesbro who won forty one games. With the New York Island.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Now we're talking about one hundred and twenty years ago.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: But he was the last forty game winner in the
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: big leagues. The year before he was twenty eight and
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: six with the Bucks. So I mean, you know, they
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: had a lot of guys, uh, and but that was
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: the era of the big picture. They you know, uh,
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: you know three Fringer, Brown, Christy Matthewson and you know,
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: but yeah, Pick Willis would be a guy that would
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: be ranked with that, and you know Ed Walsh and
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: they were the American those guys, you know, I mean
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: the guys they're in the history book.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's difficult a lot of times. I love that,
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: but a lot of people don't, you know, and all this,
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: but I love it, you know. So it's wonderful.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Let's continue on, Cliff, you have the vital word on
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: here that we'll proceed. I have one tarpe that'll be
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk about NASCAR for Markey. I know
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: he likes car I got a topic for him. Yeah.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Well, looking at Bill Medlock, Bill Medlock great third basement
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: at least honorable mention. Uh there definitely, Yeah, he was
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: for a great, great hit I love Build Madlock. You know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: she brought up John Candelaria. That was someone who was
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: on the tip of my brain there when I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: about them. But if whatever they're going to be doing, hey,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: all those guys really great cases made for some great
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Pirates over the years. Yeah, they haven't been great recently,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: but there have been some top note maybe a slight
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: honorable mention for Brian Giles, but I don't know.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry to interrupt. Go ahead, please, oh no, no,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: go ahead, keep on. Brian Giles was actually the Pirates
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: all time leader in ops. Okay, yeah, I mean you know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: so there is something there with Madlock. Yes, some things
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: that I think dogs should be in the Hall of Fame. Unfortunately,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: when he went on the ballot, he couldn't get five
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: percent to stay on, which shows you I think I underrated.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: But also he didn't hit massive amounts of home runs.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: His career high was nineteen and eighty two. Yes, I
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: know that, but he was. He is actually the all
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: time leading hitter in terms of batting average for the
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Chicago Cubs. But you didn't know that meats out Riggs
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Stevenson by a couple of points. And those four batting titles.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: There is no other player in Big League history has
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: four batting titles, leading the league in batting average and
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: not in the Hall of Fame. Now think about that
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: for a second.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: Probably you should you should put five Friend in that
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: pitching staff.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: He was Yeah, I mean he uh pitched on a
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: lot of bad teams. But I know fifty five of
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: the nationally and earned run average. Uh, I can recite
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: that anyway. But yeah, he is an all time losing record.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: But yes, I think what kills Bob Friend is in
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: the one World Series, he pitched really didn't pitch that well.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: You know, Verne Law was the stopper of that year
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: and also pitched well in the series. I think, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Friend got bombed when he would pitch those games and
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: all that. Those are the ones the Yankees are out
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: of the pirates. So I think that my butt. Overall career, yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: I mean he was if you looked at it, he
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: had some very good career numbers.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's go ahead and let's move over
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: to NASCAR. I know I wanted to get to this
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: one here while I have Markey on to night, We're
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: going to talk about NASCAR drivers. By the way who
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: ended up finished there were runner ups. Okay, if anybody
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: can relate to this topic, yes, So what we're gonna
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: do is we're going to change gears a little bit
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: pun intend drivers with the most runner up finishes ever.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'll go over the list. Marketing will start off with
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you and Cliff Candy.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Eric.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Your free to get involved, but this one primarily for Markey. Okay.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Drivers with the most runner up finishes include Richard Petty
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: get this one hundred and fifty seven runner up finishes
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: across eleven hundred and eighty four Cup starts, remains the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: driver to win his six hundred career start, David Pearson
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: eighty nine runner up finishes and five hundred and seventy
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: four NASCAR Cup Series starts. Then you have Bobby Allison
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: eight and seven runner up finishes during a Cup career
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: that included seven hundred and eighteen starts from big names.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: And you have Jeff Gordon seventy five runner up finishes.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Gordon collected seventy five second place finishes across eight hundred
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and five NASCAR Cup starts. You have Dale Earnart seventy
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: runner up finishes and six hundred and seventy six NASCAR
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Serious Cup starts, Kyle Busch, the late Kyle Busch sixty
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: three runner up finishes and two hundred and fifty four
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and he had two hundred fifty four top five results,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: seven hundred and sixty two starts across twenty four years,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and then Cup Series, and then he had Kevin Harvid
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: sixty three runner up finishes, Carvick match, which was sixty
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: three finishes during a career, this Panada Ark top starts.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: When you put it all together, these guys here just
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: might all those second place finishes, Markie, they still built
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: some of the greatest careers this war. Did ever see
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: what a you're talking about these drivers?
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: I Mean, the first thing I think of is I'm
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: kind of under the victory total of a lot of
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: those guys that you mentioned, and they have more victories
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: and second place finishes, which I think you know is
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: their greatness. Petty had two hundred victories and he said
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: of one hundred and fifty seven runners up.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: And you know David Pearson, who I think is a
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: very interesting character character in Nascaris Stream because he never
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: really raced an entire seasons, very selective about what races run.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: But he is the second leading uh he is. He
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: a second all time in victories with one hundred and five,
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: although he did have more pole positions than that, as
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I recall, but you know he had fewer than one
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: hundred second place finishes. That's that's impressive. But Pearson was
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: very well known, and I had Jerry Bonkowski once tell
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: me that was why he was so great, was that
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: he knew what race to run because he would likely
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: win it. As you're mentioning, even about twenty percent of
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: the time, and what is it about almost forty percent
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: of the time he's finishing either first or second. That's
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: rather impressive for the silver Fox. But mostly guys you're
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: talking about runners up, I mean, have more victories, and
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I think that that speaks of their greatness.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Well, when you're competing at a high level, first or second,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that's not the worst thing in the world, especially in NASCAR,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: which is the individual's sport. You know, you fail first
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: and second, that's incredible. I mean, you know, whether they've
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: won Daytona five hundreds and those is another story. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of win a lot of money, and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of spotsors for sure. So that said, I know, Mark,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you have to leave it around ten o'clock. Is that correctly?
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: Front he had a couple of minutes here.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Why don't you go ahead and let everybody know how
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: they can get a hold of you.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: All right, I'm sorry to be short, like I said,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: this is you know all that, but I'm glad to
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: be invited and included here, especially for some historic discussion.
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: Let me just say this, if you want to get
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: more contemporary discussion, just do a Google search Marquee Bilson
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: or at Marquee Bilson, the fourth ivy being Broman World.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: And what I do a lot of is East Tennessee State.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: I do every day a one minute podcast on what's
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: going on with the Buccaneers. Remember I've lived a lot
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: of places and be graduated from e TSU. And so
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: even if you're not a Bucks fan, and let's face it,
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: they're not Kentucky, they're not in order to game, but
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: it is a good it's just a good rap for
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: a good analysis of D one sports. Tomorrow, I'm going
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: to be talking about the FCF playoffs. They lose money.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Has anyone ever considered going back to the bowl game
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: format with the Fts? It would seem to me that
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: having you know, four games where you're actually choosing the
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: opponents for matchups and top matchups, maybe in sunny weather
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: for the people from the Dakotas in Montana, that could
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: be very profitable, especially since the playoffs are not making money.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: For instance, eighty five percent of ticket revenue is not
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: collected by the home team. They've got to give it away.
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: They can only quick fifteen percent.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Mark, you have a quick question for you before you
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: go off. We're your talks about the fact that Bud
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Ceiling is definitely strongly in favor of the salary cap,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: knowing what he did in nineteen ninety four when he
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: you know, he was willing to cancel.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm not a Bud Sealing panel. The years ago,
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: I did interview him and find him very charming or
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: he did a very likable person, which is one of
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: the reasons why he's in Hall of Fame and stayed
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: on as a as commissioner for so long. But I
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: am in favor of a cap. I mean, I think
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: that for competitive balance. You know, it's worked for all
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: the other sports, and here is Major League Baseball where
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: they always like to say, well the Kansas City Royals
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: have won the World Series, you know, and but yeah
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: they did, but within about three years they were losing
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: one hundred and four games because they couldn't keep anybody. Now,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: you know you're gonna have poor management still by some teams,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: but you know, it's worked very well for competitive balance
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: in all the other sports. The Knicks can win the
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: NBA title the year after Oklahoma City, does you know what?
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: That isn't quite the case in other sports. So I
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: mentioning Brooke Caarvin market number seventy can be a great
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: spokesman for Wrangler. That doesn't happen in baseball.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Well you say that because that's exactly what Sealand said. NBA, NHL,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: the NFL have it, and that's exactly why he endorses
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: it with him.
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: I don't think it limits a player's ability to make money.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: People said, Look, I mean, you know, you're kind of
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: capped if you work at say a restaurant, you know
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: you're not going to be able to make a million
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: bucks as a waiter once you're getting really good tips.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: But you know so, but you are able to go
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: out and then mow lawns or whatever. I mean, you know,
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: and so there are so many other opportunities for a
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: baseball player, their own business, uh you know, their their enforcements,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: and yes, going out and mowing lawns if they wanted
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: the extra fifty bucks a day or so. Anyway, we
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: got some disrection here, I got to let you go.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Well, no problem. Well we'll see you next Wednesday night market.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Thanks for being out for half an hour. All right,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Well that takes care of that. Okay, the New York
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Gves we're coming on and we'll be talking about the
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: salary kap. And meanwhile, i'll tell you what We're going
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: to continue that topic, and then when they come on,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: we'll lead on them. Clip what are talking about? Bud
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Sealing obviously saying about his talk about the sellar cap.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: It should not be of any surprise at all that he's.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: No, not at all, I mean what these Milwaukee roots. Obviously,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee has always been identified as a smaller market team.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: I'm for it, I'm I'm all. I'm all for the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: salary cap. Yes, I'm a Mets fan, but heck, they
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: don't know how to spend the money even when they
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: do spend it, so they might as well just have
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: to have a cap. Anyway, that'll save them from themselves.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: You know, at least they will be in the same
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: boat as everybody else. But with spending the money, it's
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: just making sure. If you do that, you have a
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: salary floor, and you have to make sure there's no
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: shenanigans going on. Well, because there have been another sports,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Oh we're gonna take on this this this guy's contract,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: and it's happened a lot in hockey. They a guy
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: never plays for them, but it counts against the cap.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: You have to be very specific with with that. I'm
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: all for the salary cap, but there should be a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: salary floor, and they shouldn't have these exemptions where you
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: just take some guy who isn't going to be playing
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: anyway anymore, playing at all anymore, but oh his salary
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: against the floor, so they can still be bad. Oh
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: well we hit the floor. Yeah, there has to be
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: rules for that, Candy.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think if you're going to introduce a salary cap,
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: you have to have a floor. I think you have
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: to because they haven't had it that they have to
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: somehow figure out how to equal the playing field. But
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: in the same breath that some of these contracts are
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: already out there and established, so you've got to be
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: cognizant of that when you put in this salary cap.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: I just I want to see how good the Brewers
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: can be if you're going to put a salary floor
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: in it, because if they're one of the smallest markets
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: and spending the least and yet having the success that
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: they do already, I can't wait.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, no surprise there. He Bud Seeley tried to
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: do it in ninety four and to to know, to
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: know avail actually he bled it into the ninety five
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: season and and hes still and he still didn't get
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: it done. I'm gonna say no, I'm not in favor
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: of a cap. And here's why, because it's not going
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: to guarantee competitive balance. Look at the what the Patriots
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: did multiple times over in the NFL, the Golden State
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: Warriors had a little had a run there, and the
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Bulls during the nineties, So it doesn't necessarily guarantee competitive
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: competitive balance. Somehow, teams like the Rays, the Guardians, and
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Brewers have found consistency getting to the postseason.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: It wasn't that long ago that the that the Guardians, well,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: who were then the who were then the Cleveland Indians
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: took the Chicago Cubs to the brink of Game seven
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: and and near and nearly pulled it off. The Royals
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: won that were of World Series winners not long ago.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: The reason why they fell off is because their owner,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: if their owner at the time, is not no for
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: spending money and probably is more of a more of
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: a penny pincher than than any than anybody else up
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: to that point. And the owners are the rosters are
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: way too big, way too many players for you to
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: do a cap. Yes, there needs to be a floor,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: but if but if Baseball wants to do it, they're
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: gonna have The owners are gonna have to give some
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: serious concessions, which I don't think. I don't think any
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: of those octagenarians are are are capable of doing it.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: All.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Right, will bring Robin Christen to the program. Glad to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: have you guys back on again.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: Hi guys, everybody.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Also, the guys are now on the Softworre tribute website
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: under the about us as well the official Now they
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: are officially part of our platform. Right, Rob will start
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: off with you, what are your thoughts about budd sealing
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: and the salary cap.
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know. He you know, Bud Ceiling.
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: First of all, he you gotta think of the steroids, right,
• 52:57
  Speaker 8: he messed up that whole, the whole contract and everything,
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: and when baseball came back, it was a mess. So
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: what happens they have the home run going on with
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: McGuire and Sosa. He knew they had to know about
• 53:12
  Speaker 8: the steroids, right, they had to know about the steroids.
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: They let it go because the ratings.
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: That's the only thing I'd say Baseball, that home run contest,
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: you know, when.
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: They were going back, but that saved baseball after that strike.
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: So they let it go. They had a blind eye.
• 53:29
  Speaker 8: And now you know, these guys who did the steroids
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: are not going to get in the Hall of Fame
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: if they were Hall of Fame players.
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: So you know, I don't think much of Sealand to
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: tell you the truth enough, okay, Chris.
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I'm for a cap.
• 53:44
  Speaker 10: I mean, the other sports have it and it works,
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: and I think without it it would, you know, the
• 53:51
  Speaker 10: league just wouldn't be the same, like the NFL. The
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: only reason why the Packers have any kind of chance
• 53:56
  Speaker 10: in the NFL.
• 53:57
  Speaker 9: Is because of a cab.
• 53:59
  Speaker 10: Without a cab, the Cowboys would just outspend everybody, right
• 54:03
  Speaker 10: with their owner, we know how he is, Or the
• 54:06
  Speaker 10: New York teams would just outspend them because they have
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: the money and the package just don't.
• 54:11
  Speaker 9: And that's how it kind of is in Major League Baseball, right.
• 54:13
  Speaker 10: You got the Dodgers, you know, that have a ridiculous
• 54:17
  Speaker 10: amount of money, tremendous amount, more than any anybody in
• 54:21
  Speaker 10: the league, especially the smaller market teams. And what a
• 54:25
  Speaker 10: cap does and what the floor does. The cap will,
• 54:29
  Speaker 10: you know, prevent these big market teams from just outspending
• 54:33
  Speaker 10: everybody else, and the floor will force the small market
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: teams to spend more money on salary, which they just don't.
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: And I think it's the only way to make things
• 54:45
  Speaker 10: somewhat fair without it, you know.
• 54:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, once in a while, Eric made a good point,
• 54:51
  Speaker 9: right the Royals.
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: Will you know, if everything works out perfectly for these
• 54:55
  Speaker 10: small market teams, if all their young kids, all their
• 54:59
  Speaker 10: young prospers, all jail and all come together at the
• 55:02
  Speaker 10: same time, like we're also seeing with Milwaukee, right, that's
• 55:06
  Speaker 10: happening in Milwaukee now. But everything has to be perfect
• 55:10
  Speaker 10: for that to work, and you just don't see it enough, right, Tampa.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: Tampa's got a very good system.
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 55:16
  Speaker 10: Whatever they're doing, they're doing it right because they're not
• 55:19
  Speaker 10: spending money. But every year they figure it out, they
• 55:22
  Speaker 10: got a winning team. But other than that, none of
• 55:25
  Speaker 10: these teams can have a shot against the big market
• 55:29
  Speaker 10: teams like the Dodgers and the Mets and the Yankees.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Well, not that that's this year, but in general, Well,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: chrisy Neil, because of the fact that Bud Seeley already
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: said that if the NBA, NHL, NFL have it, MLB
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: should have it as well, I'll tell you what we're
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: gonna go with it. Off the wall topic with New Yorkers,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: and I really love this topic. That's why it's really
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: an easy one to bring in. Okay, New York City
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: retires subway trained by seeking them in the ocean off
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: the Atlantic coast. Get this, I don't think guys ever
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: heard of this one. That's why I felt, with a
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: couple of york Is on her it was good to
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: bring up. So I'll repeat again. New York City retired
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: someway by seeking them in the ocean off the Atlantic coast.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: And the repurpose is our official resear now support marine ecosystems.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: All right, Chris, this is in as heavy as I
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: used to go out there and hitch you. But with
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about New York recycling him by
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: putting them in the ocean.
• 56:21
  Speaker 9: I think that's a great idea.
• 56:22
  Speaker 10: At least they're they're doing something with those things right
• 56:25
  Speaker 10: that they're able to resign.
• 56:26
  Speaker 9: I love it.
• 56:27
  Speaker 10: And you know what, my daughter, she's she's in school
• 56:30
  Speaker 10: now trying to be a marine biologist, so she would
• 56:33
  Speaker 10: love to hear that. So I think this is a
• 56:34
  Speaker 10: great thing.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: We'll get her to listen to this show and then
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: she could go ahead and listen in and give us
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: another onatch.
• 56:39
  Speaker 9: All right, without a doubt, go.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Ahead, Rob, and let your daughter know that you're on
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: our website. So when if Rob hasn't shown the tea already,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: then I show it then later, Okay, So yeah, I know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was pretty good, Chris. It's not
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: as tough as you had to used to deal with
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: New York City thinking somebody's in the ocean. You know, man,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: that's called gen rated, right Chris, yep?
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: I agree.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: I go ahead, run.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 7: I I like the idea.
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: I agree with it, But did they check and make
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: sure there wasn't anyone left on the train sleeping before.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: They in the ocean.
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  Speaker 5: But you know they don't do that.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Now, I love that. That was good. Good job.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Truer words, Rob truer words, All right, Eric, I mean
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: they're they're putting they're putting them to good use. Actually,
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: you can argue it's probably you can sometimes argue with
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: the best the best use, given how how slow those
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: those things run during during any given work week or
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: the weekend for that matter. But but you know, good
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: good for good for New York City for finding something
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: else to do with with something else to do with them,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And some could argue for those who are frequent uh
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: subway riders, you can you might be able to make
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: the argument that that's even better than actually getting than
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: actually waiting and getting on the train at rush hour
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: at rush hour.
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  Speaker 4: M Yeah, I was kind of shocked when I heard this.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess what else do you do with
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: these subway cars? Because you just sit them in a landfill?
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: Then otherwise, like what you got to do something with them?
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: But interesting way of getting of repurposing them. I guess
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: that's what I would say.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Well, you kind of guy like me who's dealing with
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: ways to survive with Alzheimer's. I got to come up
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: with these off the wall topics that keep my brain
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: packed in so we can go from there.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, Cliff, I've been on some of those subway trains
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: when I used to working there. Yeah, it's I guess
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: they Yeah, went a little did a little bit of
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: research on that. They clean it all down. They they
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: make it so it's uh they can do actually make
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: that the barrier those reefs that they're doing. Hey, if
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: you can find a way to uh take those subway
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: trains do something good for the environment, more power to them.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Works for me, very good. Let's power. Let's talk about
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Frank Reich. He was hired by the New York Trances
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator or Adam Scheffer. All right, we'll start
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: up at the top, and are your thoughts about the
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: hiring Frank Reich.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn, look out, it's state teeth on borrow time,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: just like I said last week with Robbie Thompson and
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Don Manningley when Mattingley got hired to be the bench
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: coaching Like I don't know about that, and uh yeah,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: this is it just looks like, Okay, Aaron gled gets
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: off to a slow start. Throw Reich in there. He's
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: got coaching experience, He's got head coaching experience. That's what's
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: basically gonna happen. I don't know if it's gonna really
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: help the Jets with with Gino Smith there, but they're
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: gonna we'll see, we'll I think Derek Rereich will if
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: they do well, he might it might actually help them
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: have a better offensive plan, being the offensive coordinat coordinator,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: will see. But I really just think it's it's just
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, Okay, see you later.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Aaron, Katy, Yeah, I mean Aaron Glenn is in in trouble.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: We we've talked about this before that. Uh, he's in
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: to prove it year, I think. And if he doesn't
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: prove it, he's gonna be out. And here in locks Frank, right,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, what what a good succession plan? Possibly?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, like that, Katy, I told I'll just say
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: great mind sake like and that's all I'm gonna say.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: I'm partial for Frank anyhow because I work with him
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: with the Detroit Lions, and then I had an opportunity
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: to catch up with him when he was Stanford did
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: a really admirable job for the Cardinal last year, and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: then I saw him with the pro DA Frank and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: I go back all the way to the Lions, and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: it's so you need to Frank, you know. Yeah, I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: think you're right, easier apparent. Okay, let's have it to
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: the New York guys. Go ahead, Chris.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: I thought it was a great move for the Jets, right.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 10: I don't think it's gonna be a long term answer. Obviously,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 10: Frank Reich he was, he's kind of out of football now.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 10: I think he came back more as I hate to
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 10: call it a favor for Aaron Glenn, but they are
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 10: good friends. So I don't think it's like and I
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: don't think Aaron Glenn's gonna be fired halfway through the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: season unless it's a total, you know, poop show. It's
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 10: got to be really bad for him to get fired,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 10: like if it looks like it did last year. Yeah,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 10: I think you got to make the move. But gotta remember,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 10: this guy signed a five year contract, right, so I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 10: don't think, you know, Woody Johnson's gonna eat three years
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 10: of this guy's deal by if he gets fired.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: This year unless it's really bad.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 10: If it's really bad, yeah, I don't think it's gonna
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: be as bad as it was last year, anywhere near
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 10: what it was last year. Last year, they had no talent,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 10: right when you look at that roster last year compared
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 10: to this year, it's a totally different team. I'm not
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 10: saying this team is gonna make the playoffs. I don't
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: think it's gonna win eight or nine games, but they're
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 10: gonna they should be at the very least a competitive
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 10: team every week. That's that's what I'm seeing. You know,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: it's almos Gino. Smith is not falling off a cliff
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: like he looked last year with the Raiders. But I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 10: think the Raiders were just awful. So I think they're
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: gonna be a pretty, like, I don't wanna say decent team,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 10: but they're gonna be a competitive team.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 9: And I think they're gonna be just good enough that
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 9: you're gonna.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 10: Say, oh, okay, you know what, they're possibly turning the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: corner here, and you know with the Jets. So that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 10: that's what I see with that team. I don't see
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 10: it as oh, Aaron Glenn's in trouble or he's on
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 10: the hot seat unless it's awful. It's got to be
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 10: awful for him to get fired, because I do not
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 10: see Woody Johnson eating three years of that contract.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: Fair.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I can appreciate that, Tay, go ahead, Rob.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: I like the move, but I think it is insurance
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: and insurance move. I think Aaron Glenn is on a
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: shorter leash.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 7: Than Chris does. But you know, I sort of agree
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: with Chris too.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 8: I don't know if Woody Johnson would want to eat,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: you know, three years of that contract, but if it's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: a disaster, and we're used to disasters with the Jets,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: then you know, I could see him eating it.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: So I just think.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: He's you know, he's there, and I think that Aaron
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: Glenn's going to be on a shorter leash than Chris
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 8: thinks he is.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I personally think they made a big mistake letting Robert
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: Salad go. That's my opinion. So, yeah, Robert sala deserved
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: a better fate in New York, that's for sure, all right.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: Eric, Well, I you know, I personally think that, you know,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: I was a little surprised that one was right, because
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: right kind of had hinted at his time in the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: NFL was coming to a close. I'm not a huge
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: fan of the higher because it's, you know, he's coming
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: off a failed head coaching stint with the last time
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: he's in the NFL. He didn't even last a year
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: with the Panthers, and you know, the Colts, he had
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: a very ugly end there, and you know, even and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: so like he's been very just you know, he's kind
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: of at this point just living off the living off
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: the Philly Special, Philly Special play that ultimately won the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Philadelphia Eagles the Super Bowl. But I don't see the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: Jets firing Aaron Aaron Glenn. And here's why, because Woody Johnson,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: prior to last year as Robert Shalla, had never really
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: done that. He kind of let his coaches kind of
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: go toward the bitter end. And he's had some bad
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: coaches during his life, during his lifetime as the owner.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: But I don't see them doing it because he signed
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: up to a four year and he'd beaten three years
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: and I just don't think Woody Johnson wants to wants
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: to do that. So but you know, overall though, I mean,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: I think Frank Frank Wright has even said he's it's
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: just whatever coaching job he takes. It depends on it
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: depends on the people. And I think at this point,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: because he knows Aaron Glenn, he knows that he's going
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: to be relatively secure there unless unless Aaron Glenn gets fired.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: So you know, I just don't see I just don't
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: see him. I just don't see the season him get
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: and you know, him getting fired in season and Reich
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: ticked over because you know, Reich was has already been
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: a two time failed head coach.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like this comment that Cha this is a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: pretty good I say, it's reminded me of the nineteen
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: that's Mike a good job. I like that, my friend,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: that was a good time. And I really liked that.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: When when the Jets played that Giant Stadium. The joke
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: with the joke there was the Jets are so bad
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: they don't even have about home to plan.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: That's funny. I don't know. I like this comment about
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: the nineteen forty five champions there for I was going
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: to Don Manning and I'm going to talk about it first,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: the first part of his tenure with the Fields, because
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: he starts out fifteen to four and he do it
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: pretty well. I actually took a failed up from the Marlins,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: but you know, he had a seven sixty nine winning
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: percentage and won their sixth straight series under Manning league.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Those series included the Giants in Marlins, Athletics and Rockies,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox and the Pirates, and after that, okay,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: and then they ended up going twenty four to twenty
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: three earlier on. But they but obviously there aren't after
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: that to make the playoffs for sixty five point five
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: percent fourth best in the NL, win the nl E
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: thirteen point seven percent, win the World Series five point
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: four percent, fifth percent MLB. And they began okay in
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: April roll under Rob Thompson nine to nineteen in the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: playoffs at that time of thirty three percent, winning the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: NLA six point nine percent, win the World Series at
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: two point one percent. And then furthermore, the story goes
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: on that obviously Don had a family situation, so Dusty
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Waton filled in for him because he had a family graduation,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: and he actually ended up getting a win. First, let's
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: start off with Don manningly first of all, and then
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: we'll go over to wathaon and we'll start off with
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: the New York guys first Okay, Chris, go ahead.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: Well, Don Mattingly, I mean, he's my favorite Yankee of
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 10: all time, and I love seeing him be as great
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 10: as he's been so far with the Phillies. He basically said,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 10: he's basically saving that season with the Phillies right now.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 10: So you can't really say much anything else other than that.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 10: I mean, they were looking just as bad as the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: Mets unfortunately early in the season, right and they've they've
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 10: turned the season around. That's something that the Mets fans
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 10: probably wanted, uh, you know, done for them, you know,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 10: get rid of their manager and bring somebody in just
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 10: to shake things up, and maybe it'll work.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: With the Phillies. It worked, you know, would it worked
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: with the Mets.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 10: I doubt it, but at least try it, you know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 10: because you got to do something.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: The Phillies did it. It's worked, and you know what,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: the Braves are starting to come back, you know, to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: earth a little bit here. They're struggling tons of injuries now,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 9: So maybe we'll see the Phillies win that division and
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: it's gonna be led by Don Manningglick.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Let's go to Larry Jarra. Kay wants you to give
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: m a summary about what we've talked about for and that, Rob,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: will you can compile your thoughts on Don Mattley. Go ahead,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: Can you give Larry a little bit of a summary
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: what we've talked about so far?
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: We've talked about a lot of different things. We talked
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: about from anything from the Green Bay packer, Donald Driver,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: who is a legendary the title of the show. He
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: actually when he was a kid lived out of a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: U haul truck. We talked about Brewers all Time lineup,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: we talked about the Pirates all Time lineup. Now we're
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: talking about we talked about the salary cap and floor,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: and now we're talking about the change in managers for
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: the Phillies this year and how Don Matting entered Don
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: maddingly to the Phillies to save the day or save
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: the season.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: There you go, Larry got it, And I'll tell you
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: what my friend. If you're subscribed to our YouTube channel,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: this will be up late. It's already going on there now.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Feel free to watch the show again when you get
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: a chance. All right, Rob, and were thoughts about Don Mattley,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about what happened he had his graduation.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: Let's start off about the incredible turnaround.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 8: Hey, it was what a great move. I mean, the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 8: Phillies were dead. Madden Lye comes in, boom, he wakes
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: him up, unfortunately for met fans. But what more could
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: you say, Maddically, It's just amazing what happened in Philadelphia.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 8: And it's the best situation because Don's like, you know,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: my son's my boss, but he can't fire me. If
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: he fires me, Thanksgiving is going to be very awkward.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: So it's a win win situation.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Dave Dombrowski, I hired him,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: not pressed on that, and yeah, well okay, I mean,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I know you're right. I talked Hi about
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving situation. By the way, when I actually had
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: a chance to go ahead and talk to him earlier
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: this ring. It was pretty cool. You mentioned that round
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: pretty much some good memories of my time in Clearwater
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: during preaching, all right, Eric, I know you have some
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: comments on it.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Well, it's not the first time the Phillies have done
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: it in recent years that the Phillies have done an
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: in season firing up manager. They did it to Girardi
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: and to put in Rob Thompson. Rob Thompson led them
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: to the World Series that season, and they did, and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: then they did it to Rob Thompson this year and
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: Madingle comes in there, and I guess it was a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: different voice. I think is helpful for that team. It's
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: a better and laden team, so you knew the talent
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: was there. It was just a matter of it getting going.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: And Don Magley has got it, has got it going,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: and now the team looks poised to make to make
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: it to the postseason yet again. And believe it or not,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: they're only six and a half behind the Atlanta Braves.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: So the old saying goes, you stay with him seven
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: at the All Star breaker's still in the hunt. So
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if Magley pushes them, pushes them that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: far too. I've always thought of him as, you know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: you know, he's good. He's good with players because he's
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: because he's been there and knows how it goes. And
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: I think players players appreciate that, you know, I think,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: you know, I you know, it helped him in LA
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: when he had the success that he had there, and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: obviously the Marlins he never lost that clubhouse despite all
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: the losing going on, and you know, out in Philadelphia.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: You know, he's got a team that's playing, that's playing well,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: and I think that if things go right, don't be
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: deprived of Madley rallies that team to be on top
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: of the NL East.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you Tommy Hutton, Arland broadcaster, is actually retiring
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Once if you can't
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: play for Don Manny, you can't play for anyone that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: So go ahead, Candy.
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  Speaker 4: During spring training, we got to go watch Don in action.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: He was out coaching the first baseman. Uh, it was
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: just cool to see how he was telling him how
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: to position himself, where to where to be, where to
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: where to play, where to catch the throws, And it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: was really cool to see. And then to listen to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: Scott interview him, and yeah, he talked about Thanksgiving dinner
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: and I so you got to go check out our
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: YouTube channel and find out find that Don Manningley interviewed.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: But the historic turnaround. The team went on a historic run,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: becoming the first in baseball history to win their first
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: seven series immediately after taking over in mid season. So first,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, anytime you think about that, the first in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: baseball history. Baseball has been around for how long and
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: They've changed managers in mid season how many times? But
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: to have a stat like this, it's pretty pretty neat.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: It was interesting because when you talked to Don Scott
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: he said he didn't know if he had the energy.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: I think he's found a newfound energy in this team
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: and went once you see success and you see winning,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: and I think players are also motivated knowing that if
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: we can get rid of a manager, we're next on
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: the chopping list, so we got to start playing better.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Well, think about it. In the last calendar year, I've
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: had two one on one interviews at time man, and
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I've got all kinds of soundbites the show Good Are Friends.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: We are every pr person that went to him and said,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: hey and Don Yeah, I'll talk to him and give
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: me one on one interviews. Chris is not the worst
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: thing in the world with your friends with Don Amy,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 9: I don't think so.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I would love to.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: You cannot go wrong with you cannot go wrong. You
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: cannot go wrong with the hit man. I think too,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: that the reason why he has the I think what
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: happened in Miami, though, is that took a lot out
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: of him because that organization is chaotic and and then
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: he goes he goes to a place and he coached,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: he helps out in Toronto and does and does well there,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: helps John Schneider along, and then he goes to Philadelphia
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: where he's going to an organization that has an experienced
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: baseball staffer in Dave Dombrowski who's been around the game
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: for a very long time. And he's got an organization
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: that's had that's had some winning years there. So yeah,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: I think, apparently Don Magley, you do have the energy
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: for this.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Well, all you have to do has Ha Lozardo who
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: played for him in Miami, and now Don knows what
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: to do. I asked him during that interview, how you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: like reunited with your former places. He loves that. I mean,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: let's say some Miami. He's on a fixed budget. Fel
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: the healthiest man period. All right, let's continue the other
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: half of because Dustin Watt Watson sold in from Mandadin,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: who actually had a family graduation. Gotta win now. Actually
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Dusty said this after the win. It's easy when you
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: have a great group of ballplayers, and the boys got
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: together and got me a nice bottle of bourbon by
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: the whole team. Dusty picked up and first win for
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Don Manning was that his child's college graduation. Job well done.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: And again, at that time, the Phillies were fourteen and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: four under him and hadn't lost a series. And then
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: you continue, I already mentioned all the sixth series that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: they had won. So let's talk about now that we've
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: talked about Don Manningly, you know, he staked true to
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: his word. I'm going to my family's graduate and the
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Phillies don't care and gets who gets a win out
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: of it? Mister Dusty Watson. Not the worst thing in
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: Chris, Yeah, no, absolutely, I agree. What was that about.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Well, what happened was this, Chris, Don had
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: a graduation from one of his kids, and Dusty Watson
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: filled it. He gotta win. But DoD stayed true to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: whose word family. Family, and that's what he told me, right, Katie,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: family means everything.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 9: Family.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Point. He didn't plan to manage. But again I knew
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: him better, but I'm not gonna ask me to. If
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be the manager of the Phillies, they ain't
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: to go there for that, and I know that and
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: everything he tells me. I can read him well because
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: we've known each other dating back to the eighties until
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: he came to Miami. Our friendship picked up again, and
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: if I ever had any advice, I needed them. Like
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I'm dealing with Alzheimer's, it really sucks, it really does,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: and I dealt with concussion. Don would when we were
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: privately talking and Marlin had never gotten away. They were
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: always when they saw Donnie and I just talking without interviews.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I give them Marlin's their due. I'm don how do
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you deal with this concussion situation? Don would go on
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: three or four instead of going to the patting cage.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: Don and I would talk about it a little bit
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: and pat me on the back. I know you'll do Okay,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: this is what you got to do. Don't put too
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: much pressure on yourself. That's the kind of relationship with
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: I have outside of baseball. He's just a true friend
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and a brother to me. And I told him I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: love him many times, and if you see the picture,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: so many times that we've hugged each other a lot.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: But getting back to Dusty, he took advantage of an opportunity.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: He got a bourbon out of it. Love him now
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and that's the chalt. But I'm happy for Tusty Watson
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: that he got that opportunity one time with Don' was
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: taking care of family business.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 10: That's yeah, I have no problem with that, And I
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 10: think I think most teams would be okay with their
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 10: manager leaving for a day for graduation or you know,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 10: you see obviously players leaving for you know, having children
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 10: and stuff like that.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 9: So I think it's great.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 10: It just shows you though, you know, like the words
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 10: you're saying about Mattingly, you just the guy is just
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 10: a classy guy.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: He's just a great person, and it's as simple as that.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 10: And I wish he had other opportunity of these to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 10: be a manager, and you know, I wish, you know,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 10: he could have stayed with the Dodgers because obviously see
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 10: the Dodgers having all this great success. But but yeah,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 10: I love seeing I always root for Mattingley. Last year,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 10: it was tough that World Series. Was tough to root
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 10: for the Toronto Blue Jays or root for the Dodgers,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 10: So I just kind of watched it and enjoyed it,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 10: and it was heartbreaking to see them not win it.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 10: But but yeah, I love Mattingly, So any good stuff
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 10: about him I love to hear.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Alex Score turned down that job that Dave Dobrowski
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: went to him, and so it's pretty cool, all right, Chris,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: you've talked about Watson at least.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: I think it's great. You know, the guy got it,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 9: he got an opportunity, he managed, you know, and he
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 9: got to win. I mean, good for him.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 10: So who knows, maybe that turns into something more, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 10: more long term somewhere else. You never know, he might
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 10: get another opportunity.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 8: Rob, Yeah, I agree, I agree with that, but I also,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: you know, things are different now, and it's it's great
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 8: that madden Lee went to the graduation because listen, graduations
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: happened in June usually, and that's baseball season. And in
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: the old days, managers didn't always leave the team for
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 8: a graduation, and many managers missed the birth of their
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: children too, back in you know, back in the day,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: that's how things were. So I think it's great that
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: madden Lee stayed true to his word went to the graduation.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 7: And you know, it's just the whole situation was good
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: and the Phillies just kept winning anyway, so it didn't matter.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: Eric, Well, I think, well, I think what baseball has
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: done a good job and you probably argue all of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: sports in general, is they've they've kind of take they've
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: kind of kind of relaxed on the whole graduation, birth
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: of a child thing. I know Craig Counsel here when
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: he was here in Milwaukee, he went to two of
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: his sons graduations, and I know Pat Pat Murphy filled
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: in for a one We're one of those games and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: helped them and helped the versa win that day. But
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: good for Dusty Watsam. I mean, he's got himself a win,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Madly got to go to his son's graduation, and you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: know it's a win win for everybody. So but yeah,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: I think baseball though, over the years though, is kind
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: of really taking a step back on it being all
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: about one thousand percent on jobs but also sprinkling and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: family in there, which which which is good to see
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: what the sport has done, and probably probably other sports
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: Maybe I would think, I would say in general, because
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: remember baseball is a business too, But I think in
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: general that in here in America that we're trying to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: do better with work life balance, and I think they're
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: realizing that yes, family comes first, and you need to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: have you need to be there for those moments because
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: they don't come around a lot. I mean, obviously a
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: graduation comes around once in their lifetime, and so it's
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: important as fathers, grandfathers, whatever, to support their kids and
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: to be there for those moments even while they have
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: a job. So I think it's I think it's great.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's great that the Phillies allowed him to
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: do that. I hope that more people take note of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: that and do the same.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia A Phillies are a class organization on top to bottom.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: That's all there is to it. I'm just glad Don
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: is managing there because not only knows what it's like
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: to manage real talent where they spend real money. Okay, Cliff, well,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not really surprised.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Don Mattingly has at least been a class act, and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: it's good that they decided to allow him. I don't
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: think to me wouldn't have been a hard decision to
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: allow him to do that, but it was good to
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: see that. As for Walt, then okay, great, he got
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: an opportunity. I'm always gonna arn for the Phillies to lose.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: No no offense to Manningly at all, and I give
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: him his props. You know that he's doing great. But
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I got to deal with the Philly fans. So I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: thought it was at least this year. Being in a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Mets fan, it's like, all right, at least we've both sucked.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: And then they turned it around and now I got
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: to deal with them again. That's I've been down here
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: in nineteen years and I was never a big fan
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: of Philly fans, and now I've got friends who are fans.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: But oh my gosh, there's so much worse when you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: really get to know. So it's then now I gotta
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: deal with that. At least if they were were well,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: we were both bad. Okay, so they couldn't talk. But
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: there they're never gonna stop, and they know him, the
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Mets fans. So but yeah, hey, fans to Don Man
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: because they have nothing but respect for the man. I
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: always have had, and I like seeing him succeed wherever
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: he goes.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: That question, I'll way, Cliff, here's some advice to help
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: you with the Philly fans. Just think to yourself, here
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: comes all the noise, it will eventually all go away.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: It never does. It doesn't go It doesn't go away.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 9: They Steven when they're bad.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: They're still delusional.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 7: It did go away in twenty twenty four.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 9: Though you weren't down here.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: You aren't down here. They always have something.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like SpongeBob to both of you.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: All right, let's continue on. We're gonna We're gonna stay
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: in New York. Now, Keith Hernanda's signed a three year deal.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: Let's s n why to keep covering the Mets games.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: He's dropping out from one hundred and ten games so
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: a year to nineties, so it's topping off twenty well
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: started tough for your thoughts clip about Keith Hernandez staying
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: in the game, but subtracting twenty.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: I mean it's I love him as an announcer. You
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: see you watch him talk and you see him allies,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: what's going on. I can't tell you how many times
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: I watch and those like, oh he should move over here,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: and then the next bitch boom, exact thing happened. I mean,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: he might not be able to physically do it anymore,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: but he can analyze and see his situation and he's
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: right on top of it. Yeah, he's having some back issues.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Now we're all getting older, he's getting old. Play lots
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: of baseball, so you know, it's it's gonna be a
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: little bit tougher for m to do that. It's Keith Hernandez,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: it's the Mets. You want to take do twenty less
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: games or twenty five less games. That's great. They've been
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: using Todd Zeal. I've noticed they've been using Todd Zeal
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: for some of the announcing too. So I love listening
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: to Keith nanda Is to do his analysis. I give
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: him whatever he wants. He's he's he's Mets Royalty.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Danny.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, he actually won two twenty
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: ten New York Emmys. He won an Individual Award for
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: Sports Analysts and as part of the s n Y
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: Mets broadcast team. He's I think someone that wins Emmys
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: while doing what they love. Like, you know, he's like,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 4: like Cliff said, he's not getting any younger. I mean,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: he's seventy two years old. If you know he wants
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: to do less, let him do less. You know, it's
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: kind of reminds me of some of the other great broadcasters.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: You know, they can't always do all the games and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: it can be a grueling season. So as long as
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: his employer is good with it. Let him do what
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: he you know, what he can.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: He's an Actually, yeah, I don't care. It's not on
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: time and for broadcasts their workload, it really really isn't.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: All he did was chop off twenty. But the Mets
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: fans can still enjoy this guy.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 10: Oh hey, Chris, Yeah, I listen anytime you know a
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 10: team you know can hold on to their guys, you know, longer,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 10: the better I think, you know, TV guys, because fans
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 10: love that. And I think in New York with watching
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 10: both New York teams have probably the two best TV
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 10: boots in you know, in the entire for me at least,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 10: you know, because the more I listen to any other teams,
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 10: you know TV guys, they're they're just nowhere near the
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 10: New York guys, whether it's the Mets or the Yankees.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 10: To me, the Yankees and the Mets cut the two
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 10: best in the entire sport. And Keith and End that's
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 10: obviously one of the best.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 10: I don't think we're ever going to see a guy
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 10: like Vince Gully doing it till he's ninety seven, ninety
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 10: eight whatever he was at that age, you know, and
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 10: he was still amazing, and he was still the greatest.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 10: I just don't think we're going to see that. You know,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 10: Keith and enn Is, like you mentioned, he's already got
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 10: a back issue. It's not gonna get any better. We
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 10: know that, right once the back go starts to go,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 10: it's it is what it is. But let's just hope,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 10: you know, he stays with the Mets as long as
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 10: he can. You know, I mean it's he's just a
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 10: great voice, and fans like to hear the you know,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 10: the same voice all the time. You know, it's it
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 10: feels great to put the game on and you know
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 10: who's talking, right, you know it's Keith.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: You know it's Ronnie. You know.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 10: So I think in that sense, it's great and it's
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 10: great to see him, you know, stay with it because he's,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 10: like I said, he's one of the best.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: In the game.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: Rob Yeah, of course, I mean I love I love Keith.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 8: Best booth in baseball. So he so he does twenty
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: something less games, No big deal because when he's in
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 8: the booth, you know, he makes you laugh because he just,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 8: you know, Keith says whatever whatever's on his mind, it
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 8: just comes out. So that booth with him uh Ron
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 8: Darling and Gary Cohen is a great booth and when
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 8: Keith's not there, like Cliff said, uh Zeal's in it
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: sometimes and even Daniel Murphy's done some games.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 7: So I'm glad that Keith at least, you know, got
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 7: re signed. And I don't care if it's twenty something
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: games less. He's Keith Eric.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Well, he's seventy two years old. I mean, for me,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: he's you know, he's he's start you know, he's gotten
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: he's gotten older. I mean for the longest, for the
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: longest time, I'd probably say, up until up until this year,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: Keith Hernandez looked like he he still looked the same
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: as he was when he played. That was the amazing
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: thing about him, including when he was in Seine film.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: But he's you know, he's still a terrific broadcaster. I mean,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: nobody has a better breakdown of the game than him.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, yes, he's yeah, he's cutting
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: back his workload, but it's pretty common for broadcasters when
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: they get older to do that. I mean, Vin Scully
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't traveling at the end of his career, and he
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: did it until he was ninety five years old. Now
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: nobody I don't think can make them can talk about
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: the history of home plate and make it sound entertaining
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: like SKULLI can, but but he but you know, Hernandez,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: nobody breaks down the game better. I mean, Mets fans
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: are still going to tune in because it's still good.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: They're still going to tune in because it's Keith and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: you know it's it's great because he really just does
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: not have a filter and it's very funny.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: Points. Okay, let's continue the mess Sea sheby the Big
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Ball Hall of Fame makes it official. Carl Beltan will
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: have a mess logo on his cap. All right, start
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: off at the top and work our way and New
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: yorkis hey, Cliff, with your thoughts about Carlos belt getting
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: a metslog on his cap.
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  Speaker 2: You know it makes sense. I've alreadys said like, he
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't my favorite Met at the time, but he did
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: do some good things for the team. I mean, you
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: look at the stats that he did during his tenure
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: with the Mets. It was better than his other attendures
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: of the other teams. I still remember that. I'm sorry,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: I still have a hard time remembering him. Watched Strike
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: three go past at least swing at the ball. But
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: you know what, Hey, we only have two other guys
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: with me with Met caps on there, and he did
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: have the best part of his career with the Mets,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: So I'll take it. Like I said, not my favorite
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Met of all time, but anything that gets his more
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: Mets in the Hall of Fame, I'm all for.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Let's go to mister Joe and the chat room. Keith
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: is the man with the Golden Glove and Mike great
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: mindstick alike, mister Joe, I like that line, no, but
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: and mister Joel commit to us. So if you don't
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: mind subscribing, are you too, Channel, that'd be great. And
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: also GMTA mister Joe great mindstck like you might want
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: to take that to memory because that's exactly where I'm
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: at with you on that. That's comment the chat remark Candy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, when you look at his career, the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: longest he stayed with a team was with the Mets.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: The Royals he started out with them for six years
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: as well, so close to the same. But I mean
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: he was a nine time All Star World Series Champion,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: three time Gold Glove Award. He's in the New York
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Mets Hall of Fame. I mean, yeah, congratulations to him
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: and who else?
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: Good job, Yeah, Carl, I'm happy to se him at
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Gett in the Hall of Fame. Why not. I mean,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: he had a great career, you know, I think it
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't the offer of managerial job. But things got complication.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: That was a mess at the time.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: What he did do didn't do with signs stealing. That's
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: why he lost the job.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but nevertheless he's going in. As a minute, it
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: was I'm glad to see it happening. All right, let's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: go on to Chris or is there somebody that I forgot?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 9: Oh no, Eric said, no, goad, Eric, you could go.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I have no problem.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, Well I was gonna say, though, I mean
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: he did. The more I think about it, I think
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: it's fitting that he should have a Mets hat on
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: because he did help that team in their six year
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: playoff drought when they and he even even took the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: help take the Mets to the nl to the NLCS,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: which they came within a I believe a Jim Edmund
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: home run away from from from winning it and potentially
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: going back to the World Series. That was actually their
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: deepest playoff run up until they up until they made
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: that run in two thousand and I believe twenty fifteen fifteen, Yeah,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: when he when the Mets finally made the World Series
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: and against the Kansas City Royals. But you know, the
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: more I think about it, his best years were with
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: the Mets. Yeah, he had some strong years with the Royals,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: but the Royals for for his entire tenure there were
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: not a very good team. And they but yeah, I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: mean his best years and were with the Mets.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, if there's no denying that. Yeah, listen,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: I'm glad. I'm happy he's going in as a Met.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 8: You know, it was between the Mets and the Royals,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 8: and like Cat said, uh, you know, the Royals weren't
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 8: very good when Beltron was on the Royals. And you
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 8: can't define a guy's career by one at bat. I
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 8: was at Shea Stadium for that at bat. Believe me,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: I saw it live.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: It was a long drive home.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 8: But that pitch by Wainwright, I mean, any hit, almost
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 8: any hitter would have just you know, it was like
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 8: a deer in the headlights, right, you had to see it.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 7: I was on the I was on the third baseline.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: I had a pretty good I was in box seats,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 8: I had a pretty good view of it, and you know,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 8: it was painful to watch. But you can't define his
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 8: career on that one at bat. The guy was a great.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 9: I don't.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: It's just something that just sticks with me.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Hey, listen, I drove. I had to drive home
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 7: an hour thinking about that. It was not fun. But
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 7: I'm happy, you know my answers. I'm happy he is
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 7: going is a met of course?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I think it makes sense, right, I mean
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 10: his best year. We're definitely with the Mets, same year,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 10: same amount of years with the Royals, right, seven years each.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 10: But yeah, with the Mets he did have some playoffs
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 10: and stuff like that. Better teams, so yeah, I think so. Yeah,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 10: and the strike at the game that he struck out,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 10: and yeah, that was that was a It is what
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 10: it is. You know how many great players, uh you
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 10: know have those bad moments. It is what it is,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 10: Wayne Wright. I think it was a rookie that year,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 10: so it's not like a guy that he knew very
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 10: much of so but you know, great pitch. Uh you know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 10: tip you add off your cap to to Wayne Wright
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 10: for making that great pitch against Beltrend But yeah, the guy's.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 9: A Hall of Famer.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 10: Uh one of the greatest center fielders we've we've probably seen,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 10: you know, top ten easy. Uh so yeah, pretty cool
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 10: that he's going in as a Met.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say up with the met for one
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: more top and wrap up show with a couple of
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: New York Knicks topics. All right. Number one, The Mets
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: signed former Tigers infielder obviously during their wild season, Andy
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: ebonya okay is added, and then last night they pick
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: up Zach Short as well. I will go to the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: New York guys first for your thoughts about them trying
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: to go a couple of Tigers there. They're trying to
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: clean up that infield.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 7: You want me to go first?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 8: It Starns just playing games where he's trying to catch
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 8: lightning in a bottle. And today Short made a couple
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 8: of errors. He looked terrible, you know, and he was
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 8: and he also he is a former Met too, So
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 8: I just Stern's has got to do something to clean
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 8: this up. It's a big mess and something's got to
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 8: be done. So I'm not happy with every other day
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: the Mets are signing some someone's uh, I don't want
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 8: to say rejects.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: They're maybe rejected. Say it, I'm reject and watching.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 7: It was he was horrible.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Tell me how you really feel.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 10: Uh yeah, Listen, they're just trying to piece it together
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 10: until Lindor returns. Right, He's supposed to returning in a
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 10: few more days. So I think they're just trying to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 10: piece it together. It's it's sad that a team with
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 10: this kind of a payroll is, you know, taking so
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 10: many chances even before the season started. You know, Rob
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 10: and I spoke about it so many times on our show,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 10: but you know, you have no first baseman. You signed
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 10: Polanco to play first base, never played first base in
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 10: his career. Plus he's an injury prone player. Louise Robert
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 10: and center injury prone player. Both those guys injured done.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 10: So now you've got Lindor hopefully coming back. But I mean,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 10: this is a team that shouldn't have the depth that
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 10: they have. I mean, they got nothing on their bench, right,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 10: I mean, they you have to bring it. You have
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 10: to bring up a couple of rookies from Triple A
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 10: that maybe you didn't want to bring up this year,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 10: but they had to bring them up. So yeah, I
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 10: mean this is this has just shown you how bad
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 10: Stearns is done with the Mets. I don't know how
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 10: he's still surviving. I guess because of his contract, but
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 10: he's just it's it's just a mess. And hopefully Lindor
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 10: could come back quick and Zach Short will probably be
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 10: dfaid once he returns.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a lot of hype of up bringing
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: David Sterns in. Yes, they definitely do. Miss Francisco Lindor.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Okay, Eric, Well, I think that uh you know, like
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: like like like the like everyone's saying, it's pretty much
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: just throw David Sterns at this point, just throwing things
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: on the wall and pray that they stick. Right now,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: the Mets are just keep on digging themselves into an
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: even bigger hole.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 7: They lost it.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: I believe they lost the series to the Cincinnati Reds,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 3: and you know, I think the Mets are Yes, there
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: was a lot of hype when he came over from
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: Milwaukee all the way to New York because of everything
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: that he accomplished with the with thes, but they're coming
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: to I think the Mets, like the Cubs, are figuring
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: out that it wasn't just those two guys who made
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: the Brewers go. It was an entire organizational infrastructure, which
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: I'm starting to believe Matt Arnold did the legwork on
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: while Stern's got all the credit but he But you know,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: it's it's a different animal though, going from a small
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: market team like the Brewers to a big market team
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: like the New York Method, there's the differences couldn't be
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: more stark. But at this point, though, I mean, you know,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: the reason he has been fired is because Steve Cohen's
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: a head fund gunny. He knows he knows how to
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: play the long game better than anybody. He did it
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: with Billy Eppler, even though Billy Epper made bad signing
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: after bad signing and he kept them. He didn't fire
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: him until he had to fire him. So, but you know,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: I think I think Colin's going to stick it out
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: with with Stearns a while longer because he knows that
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: he can't just he can't just be George Steinberg and react,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: fire and react and fire people because of it, it's
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: going to hurt your team in the long run.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: Ky, Yeah, I mean, it's amazing to see the difference
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: that Sterns did in Milwaukee compared to what he's done
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: with the Mets. I don't know if it's a bigger payroll,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: if it's the New York market that's got him, not
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: you know, doing as well. But yeah, Banya's was claimed off.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: Waivers peered in a couple of games, hitless, not having
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: quite any success that they were looking for to help
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: them out of their club. But I think they're just
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: throwing darts and whatever whatever is going to help them.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: They're hoping something does and sparks them, but so far
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 4: it's not working.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Hey Cliff, Yeah, Zach Shorts, oh my gosh.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was with a cup cup of coffee a
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago with the Mets and didn't do anything.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: He made the ray Or Donias look like a Honus
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: Wagner of the way he hits. It's it was so bad. Yeah,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: it's there's a reason he got dropped. Okay, he's he's
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: hanging on. He'll probably playing for the Long Island Ducks
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: next week. Okay, it's it's it's a nightmare. It's I
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: I I was. I even said at the beginning of
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: the season, I didn't like what the Mets did this
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: I had, I had, I had omens of ninety three
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: all over again, and it's it's coming to room. We
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: all know. If these guys are from New York, they
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: know we've been through this before. We've seen this. This
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: isn't how the Mets win.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: We can't just.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 9: Bye bye bye bye bye.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: You know they have. It's got to be a combination.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: So another long year.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I like to win a long year
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: because you know what, it's a great transition over to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: the New York neck. All right, three, yeah, greatful segway.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: But all right, well let's talk about the New York next.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Twenty nine point come back one for the Ages just
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours after losing Game three, and it was
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: a controversial appearance by Donald Trump. Charles Barkley wolves out
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: on records, say Spurs are the dumbest basketball team and
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: the history of civilization. All right, Chris, charl Barkley is
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: things those Birds are the dumbest team and the history
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: of civilization.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 10: Well, I think in that big comeback victory for the
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 10: for the Knicks in that game, you could say they
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 10: were the dumbest team in history.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 10: I think that kid Fox is gonna you know probably
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 10: uh be the he was definitely the goat of that game.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 10: Not the goat, but he was definitely the reason why
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 10: they lost. Right if you remember on that loose ball
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 10: late in the game where he tried to just pick
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 10: it up and score instead of like they were I
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 10: think they were up at one, up by one at
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 10: the time. If he just held on to the ball,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 10: the game probably would have been over, right because they
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 10: probably would have fouled him maybe, And then he hits
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 10: the two free throws and then you know, then you know,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 10: the Knicks would have to hit three just to tie
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 10: instead of having a chance to win the game on
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 10: the next play on the tipping but uh, but yeah,
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 10: they just played awful. I mean, they had a huge
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 10: lead in every one of the games that they lost.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 10: So you could call him stupid, you know, the dumbest team,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 10: the biggest choke artist. You know, you could name a
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 10: lot of these. Plus it's a team that has or
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 10: at least for the for the most part, most of
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 10: the team have no class. Because they didn't shake any
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 10: of the guy's hands after the game, right, Wemby just
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 10: walked out right, and you've seen what he said on
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 10: you know, in the press conference after the game, they
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 10: just had no class.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 9: So dumb and choke artists are probably.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 10: The least amount of the least words you could call them,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 10: at least at least from what I seen in that series.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Well, they're young in the experience, but definitely had to
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: learn a lot. Yeah, the next put out of clinic,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: and the boy did they really put on a clinic,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: winning three of those four games in San Antonio. And
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: keep in mind, I've been at that stadium before when
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: they took on Toronto as well, so it's a pretty
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: good place. You can get three wins out of that stadium.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: They're doing all right, rob.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah they are. You know, their Spurs are young team dumb.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 7: I don't know they did.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: I would call them choke artists. Yeah, and there were
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 8: a couple of more than a couple. There were a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 8: lot of dumb, dumb plays. But they also thought they
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 8: were thugs right right the way they were. They were
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 8: plowing into into the Knicks, and they're not thugs. The
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 8: Knicks taught them a lesson.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, I can't believe.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 7: I couldn't believe what I was watching for most of
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 7: these games.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: The Knicks, the Knicks.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 7: Just you know, the first the first half of the game.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 7: They were behind.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 8: For mostly every game, and the way they came back,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 8: especially uh you know, the twenty nine point comeback, it
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 8: was just amazing. So I just think that the Knicks
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 8: outplayed them. It has nothing to really do with being stupid,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 8: except like Chris said, with the one play when he
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 8: just should help hold onto the basketball.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: But you know, the Knicks deserved this big time.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Well, we all know Charles Berkley isn't afraid to speak
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: his mind. And by the way, I have a picture
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: of Charles Barkley in my book. Him and I spent
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: some time together a few years ago back at a convince.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: A right Err, I mean you know, I just knew
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: that when that when that happened. Though the Knicks had
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: the the Spurs had no chance of winning, of winning
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: that championship at all. I mean, Jalen Brunson brough all
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: his credit despite being plowed into and decked around like
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: a pinball all over the court, though he wasn't backing
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: down and he wasn't complaining to the referees about it,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: and and then but you know that's that just shows
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: you that he Nicks had the edge all the way.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Spurs are long have have fallen long
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: away from what they were with Tony Parker and Mono
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: Jennobili and and my favorite guy, Tim Duncan. But you know,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: you know, when Biana, I think he's I think he
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: might be the most classless player in the NBA today
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: and the NBA and the NBA has a bad people
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: in it, but I don't think any of them are
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: as classless as as Victor Wembiana. I mean, he's you know,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: he he couldn't handle the fact that his team got
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: his team blew a lead. Yes, they're a young team though,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: but you better pray, you better pray buddy that buddy
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: that you get that you get back though, because some
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: players never get back. You might want to open a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: conversation to with Dan Marino about not getting back.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: Like that. You know, I think about some of these games,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: and I think about the comebacks, and I think for me,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: San Antonio was the younger team. But what surprises me
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: is the coaching and leaving when you're up by a
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: little bit at the end of the game and you
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: leave timeouts on the floor, Like I don't understand that
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: here the Knicks were coming back. They had the momentum.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: You're supposed to do whatever you can to stop that momentum,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: take a time out, maybe put some other fresh blood
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: in there, because sometimes it seemed like San Antonio was tired,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: and which surprises me because they were the younger legs,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: the younger team, but I think they were out coached.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: I think sometimes it was just right place, right time.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: And sometimes you have to be lucky to win too.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: It's not always about yes, you have talent, but both
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: of you got to that point. Sometimes you got to
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: have a little luck too. And they had the ball
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: just bounced the right way. Had the ball not bounced
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: to their player or close enough to that player and
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 4: bounced further, they wouldn't have gotten the rebound, they wouldn't
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: have gotten the basket, you know. And so sometimes it's
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: about luck as well.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: And over the next couple of weeks here on the
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: Sports of Chains with Rob and Kris, we're gonna talking
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: more and more about the next so so to make
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: sure that this is just the beginning. Okay, go ahead, Cliff.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: It was a team, It was a team effort. This
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: was go throughout this whole series. They went sixteen and
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: three in the playoffs. They went all those games in
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: a row, and yes, they came back on all those
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: And this is very reminiscent. And I'm to do another
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: hockey thing here. I always talk about hockey. But when
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: the Islanders won their last Stanley Cup Edmonton, they got swept,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: they said they learned so much from that, and that
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: that San Antonio team is young and a lot of
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: those guys were picked very, very high. So this could
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: be that this could be that that lesson, well, at
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: least I hope it could be at least for them,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: that lesson to hey, this is how we have to win.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe they were just a little too young
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: and they're in San Antonio is going to be forced
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: to reckon with but the the next five years or so,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: but the Knicks were they dominated. They dominated, like from
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: the standpoint of just playing that whole time. Were they
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: down all those times? Yeah, but they worked like a team. Yeah.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: The last game Brunson, he totally took over. The rest
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: of the team was actually kind of but Brunson proved
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: himself he was He's been great all all the whole
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: time there. But he was the one that really took over.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: He even had not such a great game earlier in
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: the in the series, but the rest of the team
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: stood up and played and got them there. And that's
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: what it's supposed to be about, coming together. It's been
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: fifty three years and it's it's it's high time. I'm
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: not a big basketball fan, but I'm happy the next one.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, i'll tell you what final top of the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: night goes. Along with what Cliff said, the next championship
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: parade will featured the largest playing police deployment in the
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: history of any New York Police department. At this ten
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: thousand New York Police Department officers are expected to be there. Okay, Cliff,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: ten thousand, I.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: Think it's going to be I don't still don't think
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be enough. Plus it's not they're missing a
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: lot of cops.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: As it is.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: They lost a lot of cops, and I'm here, maybe
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: like three or four million people might be there.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: They might be exaggerating on that, but it's that's gonna
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: be nuts, because you know, New York City, though it's
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: it's still very crowded and very cramped, and the Canyon
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: of Heroes down there. Oh my gosh, it's just gonna
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: be bed them and what we were seeing after some
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: of those victories. I don't know, Well, I don't think
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be enough. I really don't.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not gonna be enough. They're gonna they're gonna
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: be out there, but I don't think it's gonna be enough.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: This is this is different because the Knicks are different
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: because every other New York team or a sport, there's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: another team in town. Yeah, the nets come on, the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: nets are not It's not like the Yankees, Matt's Islands Rangers,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing, Jets, Giants, it's everyone.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: So it's this is This is very, very different, and
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be enough. Cops to to
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: take care of what they're gonna gonna do. They're gonna
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: do the best they can. And I tip my cap
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: to them because you know they're there. They are they
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: are police officers. But this is, this is gonna be nuts.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be absolute.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Candy ten mountain tops, right, you know.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: But if you think about it, if they're going to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: have how many thousands of people in New York, I
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: can see it I mean, kudos to New York for
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: going out there and hiring, hiring, and employing that many
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: cops to be there. You always hear about disfrontle people
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: here and there. Hopefully they don't need these ten thousand cops.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: But.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good move for New York.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 10: Chris, Listen, if there's any city that can handle this,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 10: it's New York, right, And they've they've done a bunch
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 10: of these ticket taperaraides already, so they know what they're doing.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 10: So if there's a if there's a police force, if
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 10: there's a city.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: That you could trust to do this. I don't know
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 9: if I trust the city to do other things, but
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 9: I definitely.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 10: I definitely trust them to handle a ticket taperarade because
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 10: they've had tons of practice with this. This one is
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 10: probably gonna be the biggest one they've ever had, because
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 10: I remember, like we talked about it too, like the Knicks,
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 10: everybody in the city loves the Knicks, right, because there's
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 10: only one real New York team in basketball, and that's
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 10: the Knicks, right. The Nets are not really a New
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 10: York team. They're from Jersey, so they don't really have
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 10: a lot of New York fans. Every other sport, it's
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 10: split right down the middle or pretty close.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 9: To it in New York.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 10: So there's gonna be millions of people there. It's gonna
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 10: be crazy. But if there is a police force and
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 10: a city that I trust to handle is it's New York.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 10: So I think it's gonna be a great day. Hopefully
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 10: whoever wants to be there is going to get there early,
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 10: because I don't think everybody's gonna be able to get in.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 7: Listen, Chris is right. NYPD could handle things like this.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: They handle New year Times Square right, New Year's Eve,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 8: they handle the Macy Thanksgiving Day parade, They've handled other
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: ticker take parades, even though this is going to be
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: the biggest one. So they're going to take care of that.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 8: But with ten thousand cops and the shortage of cops
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 8: in New York City, what's going to happen during the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: parade in the other boroughs when most of the cops
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 8: are at the parade? Right, it may be a free
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 8: for all, who knows, But NYPD could handle it definitely.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: I will say, though the Knicks did, you could probably
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: give the next credit for lowering crime in New York City.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: I think I read some somewhere where the crime had
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: dropped by x percentage. I can't remember the number. But now,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: this is the best police force in the world. I mean,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: they have some of the biggest largest gatherings and events
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: that in the entire country and perhaps the entire world.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: Where these where these where this force has been trained
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: like no tomorrow to handle this. They already deal with
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: millions of people on a on a daily basis, and
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: so but they they will, they will be fine. Yes,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a very large gathering of people
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: because the Knicks are in New York City, run for
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: run for generations. They go back to your parents' parents,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: but they But yes, it's going to be a fun
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: day for all of New York. It's going to be
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: great to have a ticket ticker tape parade of that
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: magnitude because the Knicks are just that one team that
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: everybody likes. I mean, the Nets are New York. I
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: like to think of the Nets as New York wannabes.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: But all they have the show for is a nice arena.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: That's about it. But but the but you know this
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 3: is this has been a long time coming for that
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: Team seventy three was the last one, and I'm looking
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: forward to seeing Spike Lee just living his best life
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: on those floats and yell and yelling and yelling at
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: everybody about how happy he is, because I know Spike
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: Lee is going to have a day on have a
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: day in that parade.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Well done, love everybody's and put it on the top.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: We got Times Square out there. I'm glad we brought
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: that up. Yeah, you're right. I think the nets firstly
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: should have stayed New Jersey, but that's just my opinion.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: So I have a moment for parting shots. Anybody have
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: one that they want to say, Katy, you know, I
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. I will.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: They finished the Bob mucher Mural. I talked about this
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: the other day, but it's completely finished now up in Milwaukee.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: I think it looks really cool on the side of
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: the building. I've seen pictures from above. Uh and anybody
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: that lives in Milwaukee, I think you need to go
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: see it. I had a picture before. I don't think
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: I have the picture of it done. I'll have to
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: get that, but I think that's a really cool tribute
• 1:53:59
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• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks all right, I got it.
• 1:54:04
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  Speaker 3: Quickly, Well, I will say though, I got to say
• 1:57:14
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• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: ticker tape parade back to back to New York, New
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: York City. It's it's you know, it's happy for all
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: Knicks fans who have kind of put up with some
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: very some very low moments in the France with the
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: franchise and you know, he you know, they fin they
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: finally got it done. You know, happy that that generations
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: of Knicks fans will be able to gather on Broadway
• 1:57:39
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  Speaker 1: to have Rob, We're going to have Chris on again.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: I enjoy these two guys immensely. Marky was in the
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  Speaker 1: first hour. You know it does a good job. Eric
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  Speaker 1: as obviously, and we know what he does. He means
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  Speaker 1: lots on the network. Cliff, I love having on Wednesday
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  Speaker 1: Night as well, and everybody involved with our platforms that's that.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: That does include a sedition of the Sports of Change
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of Marquee Cliff Candy, Eric, Rob and Chris,
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  Speaker 1: who want to take you very much for joining us.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be on next Monday night around nine o'clock am
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  Speaker 1: Eastern time. Hope you can join us. Good Night, everybody,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: God blessing, congratulations once again to the New York next
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: and at Caroline I'm a hurricane. Good Night everybody.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 8: M m hmm.