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Jaguars Happy Hour | Victory Monday: Recapping Jaguars' Dominant Win Over Patriots · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: It is Victory Monday, September 28th.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour. Jaguars Happy Hour is brought
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  Speaker 2: to you by Jet Home Loans. And now, a gal
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  Speaker 2: who realizes dogs can't operate MRI machines, but cats can.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Nani Stevens.
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  Speaker 3: I love a dad joke. Welcome in to Jaguars Happy Hour,
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  Speaker 3: a Victory Monday Jaguars Happy Hour, which always makes it
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  Speaker 3: that much sweeter. We're presented by Jet Home Loans, and
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  Speaker 3: we've got a lot coming up for you today. Presented
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  Speaker 3: by Deep Eddy Vodka, handcrafted with real fruit, proud partner
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  Speaker 3: of the Jacksonville Jaguars. It was a sweet September win yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: a beautiful day in Jacksonville if you happen to be
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  Speaker 3: out there, and beautiful play on the field. The playmakers
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  Speaker 3: were making plays. We talked last week about some of
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  Speaker 3: the stars not stepping up in the key moments. Not
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  Speaker 3: a problem against the Patriots in week three. We will
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  Speaker 3: keep it real, as we always do, about the pass
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  Speaker 3: rush coming up. And we'll answer some of your fan questions.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get those in in the 4 o'clock
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  Speaker 3: hour today so we can answer all of those fan
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  Speaker 3: questions for you. CBS Sports Senior Writer Pete Prisco, Jaguars
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  Speaker 3: former defenseman Austin Lane with me. And what a fun,
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  Speaker 3: fun game that was because obviously in Denver, they just
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  Speaker 3: couldn't quite put it together. It looks kind of ugly.
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  Speaker 3: It was close in the first quarter in this game,
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  Speaker 3: but then the Jaguars took full control and really took
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  Speaker 3: advantage of all the opportunities given to them. Austin, it
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  Speaker 3: felt like this was a game. We talk about that response, right?
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  Speaker 3: They say Liam Cohen talks about response all the time.
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  Speaker 3: This was a strong response.
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  Speaker 1: It was a response.
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  Speaker 4: It's something they've always, I feel like has been their
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  Speaker 4: identity when they haven't played up to their standard, whether
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  Speaker 4: it was going back last year to the Houston game,
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  Speaker 4: whether it was the Buffalo Bills game, they kind of
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  Speaker 4: let the Bills off the hook a little bit that
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  Speaker 4: transferred to the Cleveland Browns game week one. or the
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  Speaker 4: Denver game that transferred now to this Patriots game. They've
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  Speaker 4: always responded, and that goes to show you that even
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  Speaker 4: though sometimes it's not going to go great, it's the NFL,
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  Speaker 4: it happens, that they buy into their coaching. And by
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  Speaker 4: the way, they had a bad game against Denver, still
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  Speaker 4: a close game. New England played a bad game against Jacksonville,
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  Speaker 4: and it was 35-6. So it goes to show you, too,
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  Speaker 4: even when it's the bad games, how the Jaguars are
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  Speaker 4: still in the mix of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and coming out and just dominating that game after
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  Speaker 5: the first quarter, tells you where they are.
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  Speaker 6: A, as an offense.
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  Speaker 5: But I think it also says a lot about New England.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, and I said before the season,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think they'd be a playoff team.
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  Speaker 6: I thought they feasted on a bad schedule.
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  Speaker 5: I thought Drake May had concerns at the end of
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  Speaker 5: last year, and they've carried over.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, I said it last week. I did
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  Speaker 6: the research on it.
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  Speaker 5: He played every one of the teams he played last
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  Speaker 5: year in the regular season had a scoring defense that
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  Speaker 5: was ranked 12th or higher or lower, I should say,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in the tour, a lot of them in
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  Speaker 5: the twenties and the 25 in the playoffs, he played,
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  Speaker 5: I think seven, four, two, and one. And then so
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  Speaker 5: far in the regular season, he played one, which was Seattle.
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  Speaker 5: I count, you know, at the time. And then the
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  Speaker 5: Steelers were nine or eight when they played him. And
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  Speaker 5: I think Jacksonville was six or seven in scoring defense
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  Speaker 5: when he played him. So the bottom line is, he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't play very well against good defenses and Jacksonville took
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  Speaker 5: advantage of that. And, and I think that's why they,
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  Speaker 5: they won that football game. I mean, we could say
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  Speaker 5: it might, if not for a couple of drops of blood,
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  Speaker 5: maybe the game is different. Did you see that today?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw. So obviously we have that Drake may
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  Speaker 3: fumble situation that Devon Hamilton rolled over onto the ball.
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  Speaker 3: And after the game, Drake may said that his center
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  Speaker 3: had blood on his hands. And you can see in
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  Speaker 3: one of the photos, there's blood on Drake May's hand
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  Speaker 3: when he's throwing the football, but it's for me.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Say that happened. Fine. That's what happened. It's the
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  Speaker 3: lack of mental fortitude because he looks broken almost after that.
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  Speaker 3: Like it's, it's, it reminds me slightly of when, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the Jaguars two years ago, it was like, if one
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  Speaker 3: thing went wrong, it was everything went wrong because that's
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  Speaker 3: how Drake made it. Like the second, anything is a
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  Speaker 3: rye or not what is expected. He kind of crumbles
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  Speaker 3: and it's, I don't know. It seems mental. Cause he's,
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  Speaker 3: he can throw the ball to me. It, it seems
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  Speaker 3: like it's mental right now.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and it's wild that I've seen him playing snow
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  Speaker 4: games and was able to grip onto the ball, but
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  Speaker 4: we talk about a little plasma here and there. And
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  Speaker 4: now all of a sudden it's like, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: end of the world, uh, not going to get him
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  Speaker 4: off the hook for some, for a couple of drops
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  Speaker 4: of blood, uh, fumbling the football. I mean, he's gotta
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  Speaker 4: be better than that. He has to make better decisions, uh,
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  Speaker 4: in the end zone as well. That passage I was
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  Speaker 4: on her was, was gift wrap, but yeah, um this
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  Speaker 4: is a guy and listen i think he's to the
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  Speaker 4: point i talked about this in the pre-game show a
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  Speaker 4: little bit drake may is a type of guy where
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  Speaker 4: when he has great players around him he can sustain
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  Speaker 4: and he can and he can do his thing but
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  Speaker 4: i don't think he's to the point in his career
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  Speaker 4: and even though the numbers may say differently but he
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  Speaker 4: can't elevate the guys around him like he's not gonna
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  Speaker 4: make romeo dobbs i feel like a household name right
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  Speaker 4: and and i don't know i think if aj brown
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  Speaker 4: was back it wouldn't made a difference yesterday but drake
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  Speaker 4: may's not quite there yet to elevate the guys.
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  Speaker 5: Around him Yeah, and on that play, by the way,
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  Speaker 5: I watched it today on the 22, he's got a
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  Speaker 5: chance for a big play down the sideline. Did you
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  Speaker 5: watch it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: The guy's clearing there, and it would have been, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he would have had to hit it, but it was
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  Speaker 5: available until the blood dropped the ball, and that kind
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  Speaker 5: of changed the whole.
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  Speaker 6: feel of that game right there.
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  Speaker 5: And it's funny how it did because Jacksonville's offense came
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  Speaker 5: alive after that. They weren't doing much before that. And
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  Speaker 5: once he dropped the football, they kind of came alive
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  Speaker 5: a little bit. So it's interesting that one play like that,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's a drop of blood or whatever, he dropped
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  Speaker 5: the ball, turns that game around because that might have
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  Speaker 5: been a touchdown. I don't know if it would have been,
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  Speaker 5: but there was a possibility down the right sideline that
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  Speaker 5: it would have been. And who knows what happens from there?
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  Speaker 5: So a little drop of blood. Maybe that's the lucky
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  Speaker 5: blood that Jacksonville needs or something.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe, right? Because it did change the momentum
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  Speaker 1: of the game.
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  Speaker 5: Put it in a vial and carry it around on
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  Speaker 5: your neck.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe we can get some of that, you know?
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  Speaker 4: But even, okay, say worst case scenario, and they score
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  Speaker 4: their touchdown 7-0, Patriots, they have all the momentum. I
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  Speaker 4: still have a hard time believing the Jaguars don't blow
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  Speaker 4: this team out simply because of the Jaguars could run
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  Speaker 4: the football and the Patriots couldn't. Like, I just don't
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  Speaker 4: think Drake May's arm and the weapons that he had
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  Speaker 4: could have gotten a track meet. Because if they would
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  Speaker 4: have scored there, then you're talking about a track meet,
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  Speaker 4: which the Patriots were not equipped for.
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  Speaker 5: I agree with you. I think Jackson was clearly a
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  Speaker 5: better team. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Now,
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  Speaker 5: if A.J. Brown's on the field, you know, maybe that
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  Speaker 5: changes it a little bit. But you're right.
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  Speaker 6: They pushed them around in the run game.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, we went into that game thinking, oh, well,
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  Speaker 5: those down defensive linemen are good players. They've been having
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  Speaker 5: good years. Barmore is a good player. Milton Williams is
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  Speaker 5: a good player. Those guys got pushed around. And then
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  Speaker 5: when you really dissect their team, I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: talented they are. And so Jacksonville, kudos to the way
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  Speaker 5: they ran the ball. And by the way, Newton ran
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  Speaker 5: the ball again. What happened in that little sequence when
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  Speaker 5: they took him out?
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  Speaker 6: Was he dinged up at all? Was he cramping or something?
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear anything about it. I remember what you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about. He was kind of getting in flow state,
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  Speaker 3: as he likes to say. But overall, good day for
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  Speaker 3: Tootin and for C-Rod as well to get them both touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, very generous and kind, got Tootin his one
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  Speaker 3: touchdown on the day. I think it was a brain
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  Speaker 3: fart moment, personally.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he admitted it was. That's the best thing
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  Speaker 5: about it. By the way, look at this blog by Harrison. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 3: Oof. It's so good. Every time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: What would you.
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  Speaker 6: There's eight minutes.
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  Speaker 5: I worry that Trevor thought there was less time than that.
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  Speaker 5: Why would he do that?
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  Speaker 3: It was a long drive. I think he thought he
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  Speaker 3: was burning more time than was... Like, you know, if
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  Speaker 3: you're down to maybe five minutes, even then, I think
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  Speaker 3: also that game was so in hand. I understand that
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  Speaker 3: is not the correct thing to do. But did you
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  Speaker 3: have any faith that if they didn't score there, Drake
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  Speaker 3: May was going to wage a comeback?
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
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  Speaker 6: Otherwise, it's the mercy knee.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I was at the mercy knee.
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  Speaker 4: I was under the impression that he was maybe calling
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  Speaker 4: out Tim Tebow, the Tebowing from back in the day.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe calling out Tim Tebow for going to Denver and
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  Speaker 4: playing that play with the Broncos instead of Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I thought it was, Pete.
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  Speaker 5: He's bringing back memories of the knees that were taken
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  Speaker 5: against the Jaguars in 1995 that people don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: True story.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: The Jaguars are playing at Detroit.
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  Speaker 5: You can look this up. At Detroit, they're getting blown
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  Speaker 5: to smithereens. I think it was 45-nothing, maybe. And in
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  Speaker 5: the third quarter, in the third quarter, the Lions started
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  Speaker 5: taking knees. Could you imagine if that happened today?
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  Speaker 3: Will there be a fight?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was embarrassing, A. It was insulting, B. And it
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  Speaker 5: would have gone viral nowadays.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't get away with that, sneakily. Definitely not. The offense...
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  Speaker 3: as we talked about, needed to spread the ball around
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more. They did that. Jacoby Myers had
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  Speaker 3: a great day against his former team. Eight targets, seven receptions, touchdown,
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  Speaker 3: 64 yards. And they spread the ball around. Myers got
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  Speaker 3: eight targets. Parker Washington got five. Strange got five. Quinn
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  Speaker 3: Allen got two, Tootin got two, Josh Cameron got two,
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  Speaker 3: BTJ only got one. But getting everybody involved, and it
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  Speaker 3: seemed like they were splitting reps between Josh Cameron and BTJ,
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  Speaker 3: specifically early in the game Josh Cameron was in, that
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  Speaker 3: first drive mostly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think that was kind of a
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  Speaker 4: statement towards BTJ. And, you know, I'll say this one
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  Speaker 4: thing about the coaching regime. The regime and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: general manager, whatever you want to call it, they're consistent.
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  Speaker 4: And it doesn't matter where you're drafted. It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 4: how much money they spend on you in free agency
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  Speaker 4: or how tied they are to you. If they feel
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  Speaker 4: like they can't trust you and they have depth, they'll
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  Speaker 4: find someone that they can trust.
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  Speaker 1: And I think yesterday was a.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit of a call-out to Brian Thomas Jr. saying, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: if you keep dropping balls, we've got other guys ready
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  Speaker 4: to take your spot. And listen, this isn't an ode
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  Speaker 4: to Brian Thomas Jr. I think he can handle this
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  Speaker 4: and respond accordingly. But to me, this just goes, we
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  Speaker 4: have depth. at this position and if you can't do
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  Speaker 4: your job somebody else will it was a great.
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  Speaker 5: Play design by the way i love the play design
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  Speaker 5: right there you'll get him in the middle you clear
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  Speaker 5: out with the guy get in between the dropping defensive
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  Speaker 5: end and make it easy throw. And Trevor did a
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  Speaker 5: nice job of looking that off, but you know, back
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  Speaker 5: to Cameron, he's a better run blocker and they wanted
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  Speaker 5: to run. They were clearly going to run the ball.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's part of the reason why he's
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  Speaker 5: on the field. If you look at him, he can
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  Speaker 5: block on the edge. He gets them outside. He did
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  Speaker 5: some really good things. I mean, he's a good football player.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you know, he, special teams. He can do
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things and you're right. He's probably sending
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  Speaker 5: a message to Brian Thomas. So, you know, you've got
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  Speaker 5: to catch the football and you've got to become more
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  Speaker 5: of a factor in this passing game. So they have, look,
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  Speaker 5: there's so many weapons right now that the corner doesn't
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  Speaker 5: need to play wide receiver, right?
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  Speaker 1: Not even close. Yeah. And once again, Josh Cameron, another touchdown.
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  Speaker 4: And Pete, you said it was a great design, you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of teasing the perimeter a little bit with motion.
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  Speaker 4: And then the play previous to that, I think was
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  Speaker 4: the doula, uh, Bubble screen, Pete's kind of favorite thing.
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  Speaker 4: He likes to run on the perimeter. Yeah, that kind
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  Speaker 4: of got blown up. Strange couldn't get there. But they
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  Speaker 4: were threatening that perimeter up until that point, right? And
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  Speaker 4: then even you said, I think it was Myers that
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  Speaker 4: went in motion.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember. It might have been Parker.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he came out.
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  Speaker 4: Was it Myers that went in motion? Yeah, so Myers
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  Speaker 4: goes in motion. Once again, they threaten the perimeter. And
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  Speaker 4: even that defensive end that drops back is kind of
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  Speaker 4: looking to the sidelines a little bit. And all of
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  Speaker 4: a sudden, yeah, don't forget about Josh Cameron in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of the field for that touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: How many times was the bubble screen blown up? Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: What was the one where Strange ran into? Was that Abdullah?
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  Speaker 1: I think there was two.
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  Speaker 5: The one where they ran into each other.
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  Speaker 6: There was one on the left-hand side, and there was
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  Speaker 6: one on.
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  Speaker 1: The right-hand side.
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  Speaker 3: The one on the left-hand side was very bad-looking.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was Gonzalez who blew that one up, I think,
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  Speaker 5: on the left-hand side. It almost looked like he was
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  Speaker 5: going to pick it off and go the other way.
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  Speaker 3: He almost did.
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  Speaker 5: You know how much I love that play. I was
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  Speaker 5: just waiting for all I needed was the jet sweep,
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  Speaker 5: and I would have had it completed my day.
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  Speaker 3: You do love the end around. You love that.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Prisco bingo a little bit. I like it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's give some credit to the defense. Once again, Pete,
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  Speaker 3: I saw you tweeting about it. They stopped the run.
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  Speaker 3: That is their identity to their core. They did that.
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  Speaker 3: Travion Henderson only had 23 yards on eight carries. Armando
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  Speaker 3: Stevenson had seven carries, 22 yards. They had a couple
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  Speaker 3: runs in garbage time to get that up. So 83
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  Speaker 3: total rushing yards for the team. But it starts there
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  Speaker 3: for them, and I.
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  Speaker 6: Mean, it starts, it's, you know where it starts.
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  Speaker 5: It starts with 52. I mean, that guy in this league,
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  Speaker 5: if you ask the majority of people who cover this
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  Speaker 5: league and watch this league and follow this league, they
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  Speaker 5: have no earthly idea who Devon Hamilton is none. They
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  Speaker 5: have no idea. And he is such a big part
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  Speaker 5: of what they do on defense because I mean, he
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  Speaker 5: might be the best run-stuffing defensive tackle in the league.
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  Speaker 5: And to me, there's great value in that. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he was dominant on Sunday. I mean, he was throwing
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  Speaker 5: guys around. I mean, it was as impressive a performance
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  Speaker 5: inside for a guy that's not known as a pass rusher,
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  Speaker 5: even got a half a sack.
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  Speaker 1: Well, then he caused that forced fumble, too. Yeah, forced fumble.
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  Speaker 4: And it kind of retraced his steps. That's when Drake
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  Speaker 4: May took off. I think that was Armstead, too, kind
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  Speaker 4: of got... Boggled down a little bit. May goes on
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  Speaker 4: the outside. And then Devon Hamilton, listen, you think of
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  Speaker 4: nose tackle, right? You think of the zero or the
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  Speaker 4: one technique, and you have the preconceived notions of the
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  Speaker 4: guy can't really move that well. Great job retracing and
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  Speaker 4: causing that fumble.
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  Speaker 3: He's, to me, the epitome of, when we talk about
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  Speaker 3: O-line or D-line to some degree in the center, you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to hear anybody's name, or they don't get
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  Speaker 3: enough credit, right? Because they're doing the dirty work and
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  Speaker 3: the stuff that's really important, but not necessarily a stat
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  Speaker 3: sheet filler. But he did get on the stat sheet
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  Speaker 3: this week. So he had the half sack and forced fumble,
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  Speaker 3: fumble recovery. So tons of love for Devon.
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  Speaker 5: He got dinged up. I mean, I know he went
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  Speaker 5: in with the back. What happened?
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  Speaker 6: Did they say anything today about him?
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  Speaker 5: I didn't see that.
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  Speaker 3: I think he got kicked when he was in the
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  Speaker 3: pile there. He was okay. He came back in the
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  Speaker 3: game after that. So he was all right.
• 14:08
  Speaker 6: Okay, I just want to make sure. Because you never
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: know with his back. You got to be careful with
• 14:11
  Speaker 6: all that stuff.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: And your back is always, once you have a back,
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: it's always, it feels like it's always a back.
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: You know, one thing about that, though, Kai, is, look,
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: he is such a good run player. Trayvon Walker and
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: Josh Hines-Allen, such good run players, and they stop the run,
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: you would think that would lead to productive pass rush. Yeah.
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: And it doesn't.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: We have yet to see.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: Pete, let me ask you this because, you know, I
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: know you watch the film and everything. Did it almost
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: seem like yesterday the game plan more from that defensive
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: line and passing situations was to try to like. contain
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: and bottle Drake May more than it was like.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: Mushrush, yeah.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:49
  Speaker 5: And the feeling with him around the league is if
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: you keep him in the pocket, he's ordinary. Sure. But
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: as he showed on Sunday, sometimes when he gets out
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: of the pocket, he's ordinary. When he threw it into
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: Travis Hunter's stomach. So, yeah, but to watch the rush,
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: the way they rushed, it wasn't– you're right. It wasn't
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: an all-out, up-the-field kind of rush.
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: They kind of kept him enclosed and tried to.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Keep him inside that pocket.
• 15:15
  Speaker 5: Overloading too.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: Like on the line of scrimmage, they would overload a
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: little bit. And this is the thing with quarterbacks. They
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: call this like the– the step-up line or the honey
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: hole coaches refer to it as, believe it or not. And,
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: you know, every quarterback has a spot where they like
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: to step up, right? And it's your job as defensive coordinator,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: defensive line coach to take that spot away. Now, some
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks are better than others. I remember I played against
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers didn't matter where you rushed him from.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Like our game plan against Aaron Rodgers is we're not
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: going to blitz. We're not going to run any games
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: because the guy can step up anywhere and make it happen.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: So it's almost like you kind of just got to
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: bull rush and kind of look in the backfield, make
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: sure he doesn't take off. I got a little bit
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: of that vibe yesterday with Drake May. They were afraid
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: of him getting to the perimeter and everything and creating plays.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: And I get it.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: He's kind of like Bo Nix. He's a lot better
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: escaping the pocket than he is in the pocket. But
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: I still feel like you have Josh Hines on. You
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: have Trayvon Walker. You can turn him loose probably a
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: little more.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: I would agree.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: I would agree.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: And they need to be turned loose a little more
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: because they've got to start getting some sacks. I mean,
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: you've got to get guys on the ground.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I think when you play good teams, you're going to
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: need that. We haven't seen it. to this point, but
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: maybe they'll scheme something up later or get some more
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: contributions from what they have on this roster. Tons to
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: talk about today. It's Jaguars Victory Monday here on Jaguars
• 16:30
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• 16:38
  Speaker 3: on Tuesday, tomorrow, September 29th, from 6 to 7, head
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: to Publix at 13170 Atlantic Boulevard to meet some of
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: your favorite players, Jackson DeVille, members of the Roar, as well. Publix,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: where shopping is a pleasure.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It's really a cultural thing around here. I mean, yeah,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you might lose some games here and there, but we
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: always want to bounce back.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: We always play physical.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: We always want to dominate our opponent. You know, after
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: a loss like that, especially, it was the main emphasis
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: this week.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: You don't get the opportunity often. I'm going to give
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: a nose tackle as much time on camera and as
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: much time as we can talk about him. We're also
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: going to talk about our player of the game brought
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: to you by Publix for Shopping is a Pleasure. Pete,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I think your vote, does your vote go to Devon
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: or do you have someone else in mind?
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: No, I think he, to me, he wins it. I'm
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: all for giving a defensive tackle, nose tackle, some love
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: once in a while. I mean, give the big guy
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: some love. He's just such a big part of what
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: they do, and nobody knows who he is. Yeah. Seriously.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: He's so soft-spoken, too, so it's extra funny because he's
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: just this big dude, and he just talks very lightly.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Plus what he's come through, dealt with. I mean, it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: an incredible story, and DeRocco wrote a really good story
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: on it. And detailed the whole thing. And look, it's
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: an incredible story. And it's a tribute to him to
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: fight back to be the player he was. He's a
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: better player now than before all that stuff happened. Yeah.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: So Devon Hamilton had a back injury two or three
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: years ago, was it now? It was two years ago.
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, not last season, the season before.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: And turned into an infection.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: And he had some kind of infection in his back,
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: and it was dangerous to the point.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: That they were worried about his life and death. It
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: was life-threatening, yes. And so not only to be able
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: to be healthy, also to be able to play football
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: and play at this level. So good guy, good game.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I'm all for it. So that's my player.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: Of the game, Nick.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, and I agree with you. Shout out to
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: the Nostack. If we're getting player of the game, I
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: just can't believe Pete didn't go with Tootin, man. I mean,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: if anybody's been campaigning for Tootin to get the football,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: it's been Pete Prisco.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: And now he finally saw it come to fruition.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: He still didn't get the ball enough in my book.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: He still didn't get the ball enough.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: I was watching the game and I'm sitting there.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking, OK, he had a couple of runs and
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: then he went out. And then it was Rodriguez.
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, Rodriguez get one.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Change of pace.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: Then he got two. Then he got three. Then he
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: got four.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: And then it was like his whole drive. The rest
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: of the drive was Rodriguez. Was Tootin cramping or what?
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Did something happen to him? Because he went back to
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear anything about that. I know they're really
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: trying to get them both involved. So I don't know
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: if that was by design or not. It could have been.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look, Rodriguez ran well. I mean, he did
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: some good things on Sunday. I mean, he ran the
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: ball hard. Yeah, yeah. But I just think there's a difference.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: You see Tootin bounce to the outside. He can get outside.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: Rodriguez can't do that. That, to me, is the biggest difference.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost think with Rodriguez, it's more of like,
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: you know, when it's a fourth quarter, you're up by
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: a little bit, you've got to run some clock down
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: and impose your will.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: That's where Chris Rodriguez steps into play.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: And, listen, it's nice to have– a little bit of variety, right? Like,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: you know, Tootin's going to get you, he can get
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: you eight, nine yards and Rod Reed's and get you
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: that hard four or five. I mean, it's, it's a
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: good problem to have, but like, once again, with this team,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: when you talk about well who's showcasing their skills right
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: now who's doing their thing it's obviously tootin', right? So
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I think you got to keep on riding the hot
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: hand until you can't trust him anymore. And right now,
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: he's giving you no reason why you can't trust him
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: in a larger capacity.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: By the way, let's run that play.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: That play is typical of Rodriguez.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: If you run it from behind, why doesn't he just
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: pop it to the left and there's nobody there?
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Because he needs contact.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: He ran to the contact.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Exactly, he did. Yeah, if you're going to get a touchdown,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: hit somebody.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Dude might have popped that left and just walked in,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: but that's the difference. And look, I'm not taking it
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: away from Rodriguez. He played well yesterday, I thought. But again,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: you run right into the back of the guy. Why
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: didn't you just go to the left and nobody touches you?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let them know you're there, Pete. Yeah, let them
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: know you're there sometimes.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: One thing that I saw a lot of yesterday that
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: I thought was really good was strange as the lead
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: blocker in the backfield.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: Almost as the fullback at times.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And he did a really nice job in that role.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: He's such a good football player. I mean, he can
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: do so many different things. And Liam Cohen gets creative
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: with him, which I think is good.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Pete, what did the tape look like? Did they use
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: more 12 personnel at all? I know they use strange
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: in different ways, but.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there were times where there were three
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: tight ends on the field. Then, of course, they brought
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: the fourth tight end, Milam, in. And I'll tell you what,
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: that play, when he came in and he went in
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: motion and pulled around, he actually did a nice job
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: of sealing that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: And he looked like he was moving when he did that.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: So creativity. And you know what you can also see
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: when you watch the tape? You can see Liam setting
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: up things for down the road. Mm-hmm. the boots out
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: the back door and, and, and like we saw strange
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: as a lead blocker and blasting guys and stuff. It's
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: not too far off where he just sneaks out that
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: thing and doesn't block anybody. It just gets wide open
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: because nobody's paying attention to him down the field. I mean,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: there are so many variations and I can almost see
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: him coming. When I watched the plays, there was one
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: play I think where, He put somebody in motion and
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: the run went that way, but you can see Trevor
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: booting around, playing the play fake through, even though he
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: handed it off. Yet there's going to be somebody on
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the other side when he does that. There's so many
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: things off of, I'm telling you, the lead because teams
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: are running that now where they lead through with the,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: like the fullback and he sneaks out and maybe picks
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: off the back goes behind him or, or he becomes
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: the guy in the route where he sneaks through.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: I think that's coming for strange.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Well, and it really, and it shows you to Pete,
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: when they can run the football, it drastically helps out
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence as well.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: And, and I'm under the impression if they can get
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: close to a hundred yards a game rushing, you're going
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: to talk about Trevor Lawrence being the MVP conversation, you know, like, Now,
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: not to say he can't throw for 40 times a game,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: but that's not what they want to do, right?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And that's not efficient.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: If they can run for 100 yards a game, mark
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: my words, Trevor Lawrence will be in the MVP conversation.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: What's his numbers right now as we speak? Because the
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: yardage numbers aren't great.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Let's see. I'll look them up.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: You guys check them out. But, yeah, I don't think
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: the yardage numbers are great, but the touchdown numbers, the
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: interception numbers are great.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: He'll have one less rushing touchdown, of course.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's going to be a little asterisk
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: next to that, I feel like, if they're in New
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: York or the NFL Honors.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but at some place, he's going to take one
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: of his touchdowns, too, though. We know how that goes.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It always works that way, doesn't it?
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, because the interception yesterday that he threw, I'm not
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: so sure that's on him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I see. I thought it was Pete. I mean, like
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it was a good play by the defender here.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: It wasn't a bad, he forced the throw.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you can't throw when you saw the end
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: zone shot.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Also, he also had a guy that was kind of
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: wide open.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know if that was, look at, look, see,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: that's off the strangers hands.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I thought I could have swore it got deflected though.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's hard to tell, but can I see that?
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Is there a way we can see that again from
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: that end zone?
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: It makes it too strange and then goes off his hands.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I think it got deflected.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: You think it got... I don't think it got deflected.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I thought it did. There's one guy's hand up there, but.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't think it got deflected.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: No, because it doesn't want to change. Where did it
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: get deflected? Right there? I mean, no.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think the DB deflected it? I really do, yeah.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: I don't... It didn't look like it. It looks like
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: it goes off his hands.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: All right, Trevor so far has 616 passing yards, seven touchdowns,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: two interceptions.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: What was it? How many yards? 616.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: So he's averaging.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: A little over 200 yards per game.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he only had 100-something yesterday.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: If we can watch that play one more time, too.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I couldn't tell who the slot was here, even watching
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: back on the film, but he had a guy wide
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: open that he just– the guy gets out of his
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: stance late. I can't tell if that's Brian Thomas Jr. Cameron,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: but he had a guy wide open just like on
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: that out. Yeah, on the outer right. If he just
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: saw that, laid out the stance, but wide open right there.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: It would have been an easy first down for him.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Mistakes happen.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: But, I mean, it's like it almost– I think you
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: got a hand on that, Pete.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: The interception at the end of the Bills game.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Oh, like the tip ball, yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Remember?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Was that off Myers? Who was that off of?
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: That was off of Myers, and it should have been
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: thrown there because he had Parker Washington on the over
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: route for a big play, and he didn't see him. But, again,
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: you know, it was one mistake. I think it could
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: have been caught. I don't think it was tipped, but
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: you probably shouldn't have thrown it there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: But that was it for him. Other than that, it
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: was a pretty clean game.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: For Trevor Lawrence.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: We love to see it. How about the offensive line?
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Give them a little credit. After a disastrous week in Denver,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: they did okay. I know he was under pressure.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and the one in Denver was more where every
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: play there was at least one or two guys messing up.
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: So it wasn't, you know, there'd be a guy make
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: a good block, and then the guy next to him
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: would stink, or the guy next to him would stink,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: and he'd be good.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: And it was like that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: And then this week, it was much more consistent. Much
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: more consistent. I'll tell you what. There are plays on
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: that tape where Pregnon is mauling dudes. Square, hand, balling, pushing, shoving,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: putting them on his back. He did a really nice job.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: I thought.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: You know, Cleveland was a disaster in Denver.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: It was much better this week. Much better.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: He had a few, I thought.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Van Lannen, what did you think of Van Lannen?
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: He had some moments where it wasn't so good.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: He had some moments with that speed, with the speed
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: rip where he got turned around a little bit.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Could have been better.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: But I'll say this about the offensive line as a unit.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I think I read a stat, and I don't believe it,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: but I'll take the word for it. It's next-gen stats.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: The Patriots blitzed over 50% of the time to try
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: to get after Trevor Lawrence. And any time you do
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: that and you're sending more than, you know, four, you've
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: got to be on your P's and Q's in terms
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: of communication and sliding coverage and calling everything out.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: They did a great job of that, I thought.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, for the most part, because and
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: once again, I get maybe Christian Barmore was a little
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: banged up and everything, but it's still a great interior
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: defensive unit. You know, and then the outsides, the addressers,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: probably some work. But I thought overall they did a
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: pretty dang good job of handling the blitzes, keeping Trevor
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: upright and obviously buying him time.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: To get those touchdowns on the day.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: And he did a great job of standing in the
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: face of it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he took some hits on some of those.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Side stepping one here.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but like there's free runners. You can't account for
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: everybody what has to happen. The quarterback has to be
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: the guy who wins. See, that ball wasn't tipped.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Pete, how can you just be so confident and say that, man?
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Look.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: You're right, you're right.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: The trajectory of the ball is the same. But Pete,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: if he catches it, does it get tipped right? Okay,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: but then I feel like it's knocked out.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: No, that's not that.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: He should have caught that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: All right, it's a drop on Brent Strange.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: Like, if I'm grading that, if I'm a coach, that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: a minus on... Probably minus for the decision to throw
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: it there, but also minus on Strange for not catching it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Take away a gold star.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: In fairness to him, it probably should have been P.I.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Well, if it was a tip-off, like Austin says, then
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, right?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: What'd you say?
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I said, if it's a tip ball, like Austin said,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: then it doesn't matter for PI, right?
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: No, where's it tipped?
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: I'm saying it's not tipped.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Now, Pete, we literally got an 8K, the 32K zoomed up.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: My bad. It's not tipped. Sorry, man. I'm watching the All-22,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm watching the TV cut. I can't zoom up,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you know, 32. Let's see one more time.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I'm watching like the JFK.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Movie, back and to the left, back and to the left.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Like my old ass eyes said, there was no tip.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Dude doesn't know how to use Zoom, but he knows
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: he can see it wasn't a tip from a mile away.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Congratulations, Pete. I'm going to, hey, I'll tip the hat
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to you, man. That was a good one. That was
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a good call.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: I'm going to get you some of my laser contacts.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Watch out for that mute button later in the show, though.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: I can't see it. I wouldn't be able to see
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: you two right now.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Pete, watch out for that mute button later, all right?
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: It's 2-0 right now against you later today. Watch out
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: for that mute button.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: We're going to break. Don't mute yourself, Pete. Austin and
• 29:07
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• 29:26
  Speaker 9: For me, I know he tried me a couple times,
• 29:28
  Speaker 9: so I was just in there saying, I'm getting too
• 29:30
  Speaker 9: close to the ball. I got to get me one. So,
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: you know, we just continue to just do what the
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: coaches schemed up for us, and we just played our
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: best ball today.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, discourse was a majority. of our show last week,
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and fortunately the Jaguars won. Travis Hunter got an interception,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: and a snap count was up. So, Austin, all for naught.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: Or they were listing, and Liam Cohen decided to change
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: things up.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Decided to change it up a little bit.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Now, there are a lot of rumors, a lot of
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: speculation from a national standpoint saying he's going to play
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: a lot more on offense. Didn't really need that, I guess.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: Didn't really see that come to fruition. But, listen, we
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: know what it is, right? Like, yes, I get he's
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: one of a 53 on that roster. But at the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: end of the day, the resources that you took, where
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: you took him and everything– He is different. Right. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: it was great to see him get that interception. Now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: was he perfect yesterday?
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: No.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And I think, you know, he still has to grow
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: into his own a little more in zone coverage.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: Because I think he's more of a man coverage type
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: of guy. And you saw a couple of times playing
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: a little too far off. And hopefully those things get
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: cleaned up and everything for weeks to come.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: The one.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Play that Hollins got on him early in the game.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: He's peeking into the backfield and kind of... That's another thing.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Know your opponent. Mac Hollins is not running by you.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Remember on the stop route when he beat him for
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: about 13 yards?
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: Mac Hollins is not fast. He's not going to run
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: by you.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: So you got to know who that is that he's
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: not going to run by you and play it that way.
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: But he got caught peeking in. I thought... on the
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: big play down the sideline, based on the way the
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: defense looked, that Jordan Lewis has to sink with no
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: threat underneath.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: And that was his guy. Hunter kind of took the
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: inside route.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: Remember?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: On the sideline. I think it was like a 30-yard
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: gain or something.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: There was just, you know what it was, Pete? I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: saw hesitation.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Right now, whether or not that's Lewis's guy more than
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Hunter's guy, but there's just hesitation there, right? And I
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: think that's kind of When you talk about zone coverage
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: with Hunter right now, he does, and man coverage is fine. Hey, Hunter,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: go take who you want. Stick on them and it's
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: good to go. But they don't do that. But when
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: you talk about zone coverage, now it's like, okay, well,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I got to pass a guy off. I have to
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: get eyes in the backfield and all this stuff. So
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: it's just a lot more on somebody's plate. And if
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: they're not really accustomed to doing that, you see what
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: can happen. Pete, I want to ask you, man, because
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I always thought, you know, playing man-to-man coverage coming from
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: college to the pros was a lot harder just because
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the speed, the route running and everything. Do you think
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: zone coverage is actually harder to play in the NFL
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: if you played zone coverage? in college, in terms of
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: playing man.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: But he didn't play a lot of zone in college.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I know, but that's what I'm... Remember.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: What they used to tell him?
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: You go take that guy and cover him, and he
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: played man-to-man. That's what he did. That's what they did
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: at Colorado. So that's been the toughest adjustment for him.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: And remember, playing zone takes doing it. It's not just
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: going into that simulator. Like he did a year for
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: a whole year. It's getting on the field and doing it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: So I don't know if he's, if he's going to
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: be comfortable playing zone until at least midway through the season. Pete,
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: do you think it does take a lot of technique
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: and timing and leverage and reading and everything else? Pete?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we both agree that Hunter is
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: the better man on man guy.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I think we saw yesterday Jerrion Jones had a great
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: man coverage where essentially he ran the run. That was
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: a bad throw, bad timing, but gets his interception right,
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: reads the route, and a man coverage. I mean, do
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: you almost have a couple guys now where you look
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: at where they can maybe man up a little more?
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Do you tailor that defense to your players a little
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: more and start going a little more manned?
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: Well, and here's the other part of that. If you do,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: that means you can turn your blitzes loose a little
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: bit more. And I'm all, look, I watch the Vikings
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: and the Vikings turn everything. Now they play a lot
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: of zone concepts behind it too. But I like it,
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: you know, and Campanile gives me the idea that he
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: has things in his back pocket that he's not showing yet.
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: Probably because of what you said. They want to get
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: those guys comfortable playing man-to-man. When they can play man-to-man,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I think you'll see more of that. It's interesting. It
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: was almost like yesterday was a test of sorts because
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: you saw Hunter played 45 snaps.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: He did.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: What did Jarrion Jones play?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Jarrion played 46, so we edged him out by one.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Well, there you go. And they played the most.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: And it was kind of a flip from what we
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: saw last week because Monteric now has the least with
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: 30 snaps, which is 48%. Jordan Lewis had 40 snaps, 63%.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: And he had a rough go of it a little bit,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: He did. He had a tough day.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: And that's two weeks in a row because he also
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: had that where he got beat on the sideline by
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: Waddle late in the game, remember? That was him. Yes.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe Pete's on to something here. Maybe this is the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: first three preseason games.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: It's slowly happening.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Well, no, maybe they're changing these as the first three
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: preseason games, and now next week will be the first
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: regular season game for them.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: It's for real next week.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: So Jarrion Jones and Travis Hunter need to be on
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: the field the whole time.
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: They're the most athletic two of the group.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: And I understand Monteric Brown because he is such a
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: good player in zone, watching things in front of him
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: and keeping everything and understanding how to come up and
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: play everything and passing stuff off.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: He's probably best at that.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: But sometimes you just need to get the better athlete
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: on the field. You know what I mean?
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: So I'm not so necessarily.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: sure that it's not they love lewis because he brings
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: that feistiness you know there's a tackle he made in
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: the run game he came in and blasted a guy
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: i mean that's what he gives you but when it
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: comes to coverage jerry jones is better inside i think
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: than lewis would be don't.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You I agree.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: And like, let's not sell a giant Jones to either
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: with feistiness. I mean, that dude's not afraid to throw
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: down either, man. You didn't never forget when Trevor Lawrence
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: got cheap shot at by shy year, like Jerry and
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Jones was the first guy in that, that scrap, like
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: ready to throw down.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And then Doug Peterson yelled at him.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: But if that's another story, if you were going to
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: pick Austin, if you're going to pick three guys to
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: play 45 snaps, which three would you pick and how
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: would you play.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Them based off what I've seen right now?
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going Hunter. Jones and Buster, probably.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm probably in agreement with you. I mean, based
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: on the last two games, I think Lewis has struggled
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: more than the other two. The other three.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I think when you mention those three guys, or Jarrion
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: and Travis Hunter specifically, I think Monteric a little bit too,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: they have the athletic ability to make up for it
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: if they do play. maybe hesitate for a half a second.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I don't think Jordan Lewis can make up that speed
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: as much now. So if a mistake is made, he
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: can't recover.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: No, but you'd also don't want to get Monteric in
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: man-to-man coverage.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: You saw that. What was that? Who was that against?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Was that the end of the Browns?
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't want to get him late in that game.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Was that Boston?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: We've seen that over.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: The last couple of years. Over the last couple of years,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: remember when he played the nickels, guys would run away
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: from him all the time. That's not his forte either.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: But the other two can. You know, Jones and Hunter can,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: so that gives you flexibility on how you can call things,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: I think, if they're on the field. If you had
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: to take one off, you would probably take Lewis off. Now,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: they won't take one off because that's not what they're
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: going to do. They're going to play him.
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: But, okay, I mean, I know they're going to play him, Pete,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: but at some point, I think these players are going
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to separate themselves from each other, and we're going to know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: you know, who's the better player.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: So there's the fourth one.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Get limited to five, seven snaps instead of 30?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think eventually that's going to be the case, right?
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you could trade one of them for
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: a defensive tackle, I would do that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: You're making trades? Who are you trying to get?
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Go to a team that has no chance and try
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: and find somebody. I mean, for example, you could trade
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Brian Thomas and a corner and try and get a
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: dominant defensive tackle.
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Does that get you out there.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: Willing to do that?
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Does that get it done? Am I?
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know if you're going to get
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: you're not going to get Jeffrey Simmons from the Titans,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I don't think. But Lord knows you'd love to have
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: him because nobody's blocking him this year. He's been one
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: of the most unstoppable guys in the league. He's been
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: unblockable at times. But you might be able to price
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: somebody out there free. I mean, go to the crappy teams.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: When you get to the crappy, you know the Dolphins
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: are going to be crappy. I don't think they have
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: anybody you'd want to go get because you're not going
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: to pay that kind of premium for like a Zach
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: Seeler or somebody like that. Go to Tennessee's not going
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: to give away anybody.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: In the division to somebody in their own division.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: That's not happening. So you can't get them. Chargers don't
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: have any elite defensive tackles. They're 0-3.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: The Texans are 0-3.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: They're not going to give you anybody. See, that's the
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: problem is finding somebody. Okay. Here's one. Okay. GMP. He
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: signed a new contract for two years, so you only
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: have to take his contract for two years because that
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: was the concern. He wanted a new contract if you're
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: going to trade for him. The Bucs are 0-3. Their
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: quarterback has a torn thumb ligament. They're probably going to
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: be 0-6 or 0-7. They'll be done. What about Vitavia?
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, but let me ask you this then. I get
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: there's some pass rush prowess there. But isn't he essentially
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: what you have with Devon Hamilton, minus the pass.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Rushing, though?
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he can pass rush a little bit, too. But
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: how about the other one?
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: What is that going to look like, though, Pete? You're
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: going to have Devon Hamilton and Vita Vea?
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: How about Elijah Kamsey?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: I'm a little more intrigued.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Maybe they'll be willing to part with him.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: What are we sending? Brian Thomas Jr.
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: And who?
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: Jordan Lewis, if he can get rid of the contract. See,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: I don't think Tampa would do that.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I don't think they would either.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: A team that would need a wide receiver would be
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: willing to do that.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It's not good relations.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: You can find a team that's willing.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Or we're playing GM.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, who would be willing? There were supposedly a
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: lot of teams that wanted a wide. I'll give you,
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: how about Pittsburgh?
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Pittsburgh's in two and one.
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Looking, you know, their wide receivers don't scare anybody. Metcalf
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: is dropping the ball all over the place. Pittman's been
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: a major disaster for them. Hmm.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Or disappointment.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: So Pittsburgh has a bunch of defensive tackles. You might
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: be able to pry one of those guys free.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Pete, let me ask you this.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Do we hit up JP and their relations? They already
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: have Dewey. Does Arizona have anybody? Because I feel like
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Arizona is in need of a wide receiver right now.
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: I don't think they're giving up on Harrison yet.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: I think that team's building more for the future rather than,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Harrison, Wilson.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: And I know they got Wilson. I'm not sure. Okay,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: with Harrison, I feel like Well.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: They'll let that play out at least for a couple
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: more half the season, I think.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Best of luck with that.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Coming up, we'll talk a little bit. We'll get to
• 40:27
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• 40:30
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• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Happy Hour. We're going to do some fan questions because
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: we got chatting and I forgot in the last block.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: So let's start out with this. Is the lack of
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: downfield passing yesterday tied to the decline in BTJ snaps?
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Is that going to hinder the offense moving forward? They
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: only had one play that was over 20 yards. A
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: lot of smaller plays in the game yesterday. Probably one knock,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: you could say. It wasn't any explosives.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know what?
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: If you're getting... moving the ball and scoring touchdowns the
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: way they did running the ball and all the play
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: action and everything, you don't necessarily need the big plays. Now,
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: you're going to need them at some point, but is
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: that because Brian Thomas wasn't on the field? Probably not.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, he is the speed guy, right? He is
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the deep threat and everything, so obviously I think the
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: deep threats do go to him a little more, but
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: this is, once again, let's just keep him on defense
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: until further notice, but this is where Travis Hunter could
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: come into play, too, as well, because We saw it
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: against the Rams. Like he can be a little bit
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: of a deep threat as well.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Like I don't think.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: People think about Josh Cameron. Like if he's getting more
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: and more reps, like could he be that deep threat guy?
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Because I get the.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Sense of like slants and just, you know, short to
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: intermediate routes with his size and everything.
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: He's more of a, he's not a, he doesn't run
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: like that. That's not his, he's a big body receiver
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: who he'll make plays down the field. He's just not
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: going to go run by people. And that has to
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: be Brian Thomas or Travis Hunter. That's who it has
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: to be. Yeah.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: All right, we touched on the offensive line, but who
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: on the offensive line had the best performance on Sunday?
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Who on the offensive line has you concerned?
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: Well, going into this week, my concern was Cleveland and Hainsey.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: And coming out of the week, Cleveland played much better.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm going to give him this prop. So,
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: you know, I was ready to half bench the guy.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: He was better.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: Who am I most concerned about?
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: It would probably still be the inconsistency of the rookie.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: a little bit, but when he, when he makes those plays, he's,
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: it's just like he he'll let off a guy. And
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: then the guy who gets to come down the line
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: and make a play little thing, you know, block, you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: this Austin in college, you hold the block a certain
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: amount of time and it's good enough in the NFL.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: You hold the block a certain amount of time and
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: the guy's coming off and he's making a play down
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: the line. Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: You know, like I'm not, he's a rookie. And he's
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: not going to have perfect games, right? And it's almost
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: a little bit of growing pains here or there. And, like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: once again, I think the physicality that he brings to
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: the table, sometimes it overlooks sometimes the other mistakes that
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: he makes.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm not worried about Pregnon.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: If I was going to say I was worried about
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: one person, and once again, I think you do do
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: good to the Patriots, and I think everyone kind of
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: comes out unscathed, but I would still probably say it's
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Ezra with, like, an honorable mention to maybe Hainsey.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those are the two.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Those are the two.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: And by the way, I.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: Will say this right now.
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: Pregnant will be a pro ball, all pro left guard
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: at some point in his career.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: I'm predicting that.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Lock it in.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: We're running a little short on time, but I have
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: to get to this. Could Prisco take the ball boy
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: in a fight? And if you haven't seen the video,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: it's glorious. So Travis Hunter had his first career interception
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: in spun the ball, had to get his dance moves in.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Josh Heinz-Allen went to retrieve the ball, as any good
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: teammate would, and got in a little scuffle with the Patriots'
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: ball boy. So, Pete, you think you could take the
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: ball boy?
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: I would have ripped that thing right out of his
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: damn hands. There would have been nothing in his hands anymore.
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: At one time, this is a true story, when I
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: was a substitute teacher for my old high school, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: I went back, and nobody, you know, I was... in
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: the gym and I'm rolled out the balls. I was
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: PE teacher and playing basketball in the gym and I
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: was playing with the guys. And then it came time
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: to blow the whistle. We got to go get classes over.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: And I said, all right, let me have the balls.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: And the kid goes, no. And he didn't know I
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: was the teacher. And I go, dude, I'm the teacher,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: but I'm going to take the whistle off and pretend
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not. I'm taking the ball out of your hand.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: And I took the ball. So, yeah, would I have
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: taken the ball out of the kid's hand?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Here's how I know Pete's about that life and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: about that action. Pete, were you at the Panthers practice, right,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the joint practices?
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Is that where you– this year? Was it the Panthers
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: or Bucs? It was the Panthers.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: And there starts to be like a little scrap, a
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: little pushing and shoving with the Panthers and the Jags.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: You know me. Let's go. And I turn to Pete.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I go, Pete, we got to go in there. Let's go.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: And like he wasn't trying to go in there.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: But he was ready.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: But you could tell like in his– you could just
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: tell some people in their eyes where it's like if
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: it popped off, he had no problem throwing down with me.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: And I'm telling you right now in that moment– He
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: was ready to pop.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: He was ready to get it in.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: But you would have taken the ball from that kid
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: too yesterday, right?
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man. I'm surprised Josh didn't rip it out of
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: his hands.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Well, the optics of it were not going to be
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: great if Josh actually took the ball from that guy.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: The optics were terrible for the kid.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I agree. And George, who's head of equipment here, came in,
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: broke it up, and I can confirm, done some intrepid journalism.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: They got the ball for him, so everything is fine.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: That kid was ready to sue, too.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: But he was taking it real serious. That kid was
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: ready to sue.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You can't touch me.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: Was he ready to sue?
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Did you see what he was saying? Did you hear
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the audio of it, Pete?
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, you got to hear the audio, Pete.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Pete, the audio is the best part.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: This is like a drive-through Karen at McDonald's where the
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: coffee is too hot or something. Like, yeah, he was
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: ready to sue. No, he didn't say he was going
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: to sue, but he's like, you can't touch me.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: He's touching me. And it's like, dude.
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. Relax, man. He should have just ripped
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: the ball out of his hand and never touched him.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: He wouldn't have been able to stop him.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: Get out of here.
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Get out of here.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I think it needs to be like the security at
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Chuck E. Cheese or something. You can't be like in
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: an NFL game acting like that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Stepping up to Josh, too. I don't know.
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: So he was actually the Patriots ball boy?
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: And so it all got settled. We got everything. We
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: got everything handled.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: He's used to filming stuff in the crowd.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That's what he's used to. I'm going to wicked sue you.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I'm going to wicked sue you.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Got to take some shots there.
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Spy game. Spy game. He was in spy game.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: There we go. He was in spy game.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Alright, second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour. We're going to
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: keep it real about the Jaguars pass rush. We'll look
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: ahead to that matchup with the Cincinnati Bengals in week four.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: All that coming up on Jaguars Happy Hour here on
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: the Digital Network.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they did an awesome job. I thought we stayed
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: on track. We didn't have a ton of second and longs.
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: Not too many third and longs either, so I think
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: that was a big part of the game. It never
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: felt like we were living in drop back and just
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: having to try to throw it every play. We were
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: able to be really consistent, efficient, running the ball on
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: first and second down, had some really tough, good runs,
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: and then some explosive ones as well. So I think
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: that is kind of the key, right? That's how you
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: want to play football is to be able to, and
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: then you can get to all your stuff. It's not
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: like you're just having to drop back and throw it
• 47:48
  Speaker 8: every single play to get back on track.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: You can stay efficient.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: So it was a good example of that today.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence on the offense had a great day. Thanks
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: in part to the run game getting going. Welcome back.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: This is the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour presented
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: by Mr. Chubby's Wings. after the game and during the game.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: We're going to do our opening drive presented by Target Zero.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Let's get everyone home safely. Jaguars get a big 35-6
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: win over the Patriots. They bounce back after that week
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: two loss to the Broncos. We talked about spreading the wealth,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: and they certainly did that, finding different receivers. Both running
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: backs were involved. Five for five in the red zone,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: eight for 12 on third down. When they're rolling, they
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: make everything look really easy.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: Again, I think Austin touched on it.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: When you run the ball the way you ran the ball,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: you're going to make it easy. And Trevor seems to
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: have much more of a command of the offense when
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: he's not just dropping back and playing fast and loose.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: And don't get me wrong, I think he can do that,
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: but he seems much more comfortable. And you go back
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: to that touchdown he threw to Myers in the back
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: of the end zone. Mm-hmm. Looked right, looked the middle,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: came back, boom. And he knew he was going with it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: He just fired a shot in there. That was almost
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: like the throw on the opposite side that he threw
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: the camera in week one where he threw a bunch
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: of hands and arms and stuff because that was a
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: really good throw. And he just looks more comfortable. Don't
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: you agree when to run the.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Ball without a doubt and listen the Patriots played a
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: lot of zone coverage you know in the red zone
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: and everything and I think they're the top red zone
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: defense going into that game against the Jags but you
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: saw what Trevor Lawrence could do right if you buy
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: him enough time he's got no problem being comfortable looking
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: down one way and then I was coming back to
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Josh Cameron in that one play as well did the
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: exact same thing so you know I think the the
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: sign of a quarterback in zone coverage is do you
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: have time to diagnose but also do you have the
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: wherewithal to look somebody off in zone coverage and go
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: the other way and Trevor Lawrence showcased that skill set
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: to a tee yesterday.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: What's their red zone numbers? Their red zone numbers got
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: to be among the best.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Well, they were five and five yesterday. I'll look up
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: the league stats. But what I talked to John Ogier
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: about this earlier today and in training camp, they went
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: to New Orleans and look great. You know, they really
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: bounced back with the joint practices with the Panthers and
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: the Bucs. But over that entire time, and even on
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: the days when they didn't look great, they always looked
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: good in red zone. And so far, they've translated that
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: into the regular season, and Trevor looks so comfortable.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and even in New Orleans, right?
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Like, they didn't look good at all, but that last
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: red zone period, they finished strong, and everyone was talking about, yeah,
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: that red zone period.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: So.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of identity and everything, that's starting to
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: be a thing, which is crazy because it seems like
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: a couple years ago we were talking about how they
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: could never score a touchdown in the red zone, right?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: And they couldn't get anything done.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: If only their kicker could make his kicks.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Pete, what's going on?
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: 70 yards, huh?
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Is he panicking?
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Is he mental? 70 yards. Yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Here, that's two weeks in a row he's had misses.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Pete, is it an issue? I mean, I'm going to
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt on a 70-yarder. No,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, I got you.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know with you sometimes, man. I don't know.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: I mean, that thing was long enough.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: It was, and it looked real good. He had the strength, yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: It was like right at the last second it went
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: kind of like this. Because even we have Coach mic'd up,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: and he thought it was good, and then they were like, oh, no,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: at the last second. So it was almost there.
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: You know what's funny? We were talking about that when
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: he kicked that. You got to be careful on those–
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: because like Rand Carthon, who works with me, used to
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: work with the Rams when Greg Zerline was there. Remember
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: Greg the leg?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, of course.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: And they used to have Greg try all those like 60,
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: which was 60 yarders back then, which was long back then.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:32
  Speaker 6: And then he started missing the ones in between, you.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Know, those shorter ones.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Cause he was focused on the long ones.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: So you gotta be careful with that sometimes.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's, And, I mean, we always talk about
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: how he can kick it from so far, but it's
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: just he's still young, getting that mental, like, in the
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: big moments, right? Because the Bills game or, like, you know,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: in the Broncos game when it's an important moment. So
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: it's kind of like getting him to mentally stay strong
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: in those. Because kickers can be strange, you know?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, they are.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: Not can be. They are.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: No, there's some weird ducks every once in a while.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, shout out to Josh Scobie, man. Josh Scobie,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: one of my best friends on the team, though.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, I love Josh Scobie.
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, he was.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know how the dude doesn't have his own show, man,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: because the guy is funny as all get out. But
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: it's wild how far we've come in terms of distance, right? Because, like,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I was watching the game with my son. You know,
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: my son was like, I can't believe you missed it.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it's a 70-yard field goal. Like, when I
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: was your age, I was in awe of 55, you know,
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: let alone 60.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: I remember, was it Jason Elam or whatever? Or who
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: was the guy in Denver?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Elam.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Elam. Yeah, I remember exactly where I was for
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: that moment when he kicked.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: That's unreal. And now that's like a chip shot these
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: days for some of these guys.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: So it's crazy.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: How old were you then? Like a kid?
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I was a kid for sure, man. I was
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: probably like 10 or 11.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: I covered that game.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Me and Osher. Wait, John Osher was in Denver at
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the time? Or was he in Jackson?
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: No, he worked with me.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: I didn't know John Osher was in Jackson before.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got you.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: He came up in the game.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: When we started, John Osher, I was the beat guy,
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: and John Osher was my backup.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I got you. Okay.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: He was the good cop, and I was the bad cop.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Now you're both bad cops.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: He never admitted he was a bad cop, but he
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: was a bad cop, too.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: He's that cop when you watch the interrogation where he's like,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: I'm on your side. Pretend to be their friend, but
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: you're really just trying to get them. That's one of those.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: You know, back in the day, he had a little
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: ponytail in the back.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I've heard rumor of this.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: He did, and it used to drive Tom Coughlin crazy.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, I need to see some evidence.
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: Ozone with a ponytail?
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: I need to see some evidence.
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: It was a big ponytail, so we called it the
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: puny tail.
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: It was kind of small. True story. So Coughlin, it
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: was everything and anything that Coughlin had disdain for was
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: that ponytail.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: He used to look at it and make Coughlin face,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: you know, the Coughlin face. He'd just like cringe at it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: He hated John. Ask John. He'll tell you. He hated
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: his ponytail.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: What were the craziest Coughlin rules? Because I hear all
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: kinds of stuff all the time. Like you couldn't wear
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: sunglasses at practice and like all kinds of weird stuff.
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: As a media member, he can wear sunglasses.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: Jeff Loggeman might have had one of the best responses
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: to a Coughlin rule in history. You had to wear
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: a tie on the road. And Loggeman wore a bolo
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: tie one time.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: Nice.
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: And so Coughlin goes, sees it and goes, he made
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: his face, what is that?
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: It's a tie.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: Because he gave him a rule book and it was
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: in the rule book. He said he had to wear
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: a tie. And he told him, it's a bolo tie.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: It's a tie. Well, the next year in that book.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: An exception.
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: It said cloth tie.
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: Ah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: So Jeff Loggin changed the rules.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Changing the rules.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, the rules were crazy. They were crazy. You
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: couldn't wear, God forbid, if you got cut from a team.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: And all you had was like you had to work out.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: You had your old team's issue. Oh, my God.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: That would be bad.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: That was a no-no.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Kyle, you've been on the plane and everything. Are guys
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: still wearing suits or is it a little more casual?
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: No, we don't do that anymore.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It must be nice. I had to wear my suit.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: I remember with Jack Del Rio. I only had one.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: Jack used to make you wear suits?
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: For the way games, we had to wear suits. Yeah.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, Pete, you know me by now. I don't
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: wear suits, man. Weddings and funerals, and that's about it, right?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: So I went to Joss A. Bank, which turns out
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: to be Joseph A. Bank, but I thought it was
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: called Joss A.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Bank.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Went to Joss A. Bank, got me one suit. That
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: was the suit. And I got me two, like, shirts
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: underneath it, and that's all I had for the whole season.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I had a home white, and I had an away
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: pink that I wore underneath my little collar.
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: Home and away, okay.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: It was about a get-one-free guy, obviously.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Obviously.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Got to.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it's like, I never understood making people travel
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: in In a suit that is so uncomfortable when you
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: should let them travel.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: It's a business trip, Pete. It's a business trip.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Pete, they do not travel in like a cramped like economy.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: They're in lie down seats. You can lie down in
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: a suit.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: I think that's dumb.
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: I don't mind.
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: Travel in what you feel comfortable in.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Be you.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. Yeah.
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: That's what Liam Cohen thinks as well.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: So they do. They're comfortable.
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like us on TV now.
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: Like certain days of the week, we have to wear jackets.
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: And some days it's casual. It's casual day.
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: I'm like, well, why aren't we wearing jackets?
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's casual day.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: Fine.
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: Whatever you want to do.
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, Pete, he wants to wear a tank top.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Pete, you got to wear like a tank top one day, man.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: He's a beach guy.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Come on, man. This is Paramount, man. You're Mr.
• 56:51
  Speaker 5: Paramount.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Let's see what that tank top.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: If I had my way, I'd never have anything on
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: other than flip flops.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Flip flop guy. Uh, let's look a little bit ahead
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: to week four. We'll get probably more in depth, but Pete,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: you watch all the games. What did, what did the
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Bengals look like? What have they looked like so far
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: the first couple of weeks?
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Well, the first two weeks they were really good on defense,
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: really good on defense. And then last week they kind of,
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: went to Pittsburgh this past Sunday, and they weren't as
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: good on defense. You know, they were talking about all
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: the same old Bengals. And Rodgers actually carved them up
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: a little bit. Rodgers looked good.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: He also ran.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Dual threat Aaron.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: And Warren ran the ball well, too, for them. Here's
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: the concern I have with Jacksonville playing the Bengals. Dexter
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: Lawrence on Hainsey. I mean, Dexter Lawrence is a monster
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: in the middle of that defense. They're going to have
• 57:46
  Speaker 5: to do something to take him out of there. And
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: Jonathan Allen's been playing good next to him. So they
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: have two good big body guys. The defense is much improved.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: At least it was until Sunday. And we know.
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: What they are on offense, right? They're going to score.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Higgins made a play on Sunday where he caught it
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: on his back. You know, Chase is a problem. And,
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: you know, Their offensive line's okay. It's not great. So
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: you might be able to get after Burrow a little bit.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: And they're not a great running team, although I think
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Chase Brown's a decent back. But I think the biggest
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: difference in the Bengals you saw a year ago when
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: you went there is how improved they are on defense.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: They've had a lot of new people back there.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a big test for the Jaguars' defense.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen two of the best catches this
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: year happen in back-to-back weeks with the Bengals.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, I think it was against Indy. I forgot
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: where they played.
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: No, that was against the Texans.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, Texans, thank you.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Chase had that one, and then they had the
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Tee Higgins one. And here's the thing about Chase Brown.
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: They don't necessarily scare you in terms of physicality of
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: establishing a run. But he does scare you in the
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: pass game, right? So whether that's going to be Ventrell Miller,
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Branson Combs, you're going to have to be on your
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: target here because if he gets the ball in space,
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: he can make you pay, right? And I think, I mean, listen,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: the linebackers have been playing pretty well so far, I think,
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: for the Jaguars and everything. But you do get a
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: little nervous watching Chase Brown in terms of his past
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: catching abilities as well in.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Offense but this is gonna be one of those games
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: look the right tackle mims has been really good for
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: the bangles big powerful kid he's That's going to be
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: a good matchup when you see two power players like
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: Walker and Mims going at each other. I mean, that's
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: going to be fun to watch. And then, you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: it's time for those pass rushers to get after a
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: good passing quarterback. Josh Hines-Allen, who was pretty good on Sunday,
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: by the way. I'm not going to take it. I
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: thought he did a nice job.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: He set the edge. He did some really good things.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: Chased down.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: uh drake may on one play but they got to
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: get into the backfield knock them over you know they
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: got to knock them down they got to knock joe
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: burrow down in the backfield yeah.
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Because here's the thing i and i once again it's
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: like some of the next gen stats so drake may
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: had the most time uh the second most time in
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: his career in terms of his pocket presence to throw
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: um yesterday which is okay but if.
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: That's they said he had 14 did i always have
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 5: 14 pressures i didn't see that.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, he felt pressured. I'm sure he, on the inside,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: felt the pressure in that game. I don't know.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: Felt the weight of the world.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Bearing down on him.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: That's what they're talking about.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though. You can't give that time
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow and those receivers, right?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Because Mac Hollins and Romeo Dobbs, all due respect to them,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: but it's not T. Higgins and it's not Jamar Chase.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: If those guys get time to get open, whether you're
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: man or zone, they're going to beat you. So you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: have to get to the quarterback for this game.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: I'll be curious to see how they play that next
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: week with the secondary.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Look, Travis is not a big corner, so I don't
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: know if he can... Hollins is a pretty big receiver,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: and he was on him in man-to-man situations. But he
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: doesn't run like Higgins is in a burner, but he's
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: faster than Matt Collins.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: The others, I don't know if you can man up Chase.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: I think he kills you whoever you are. Yeah. He
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: kills the best receivers. He killed Sting, best corner. He
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: killed Stingley. Yeah. So you might double Chase and put
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: Jarrion Jones on Higgins.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's more physical too. All right, it's time to
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: check in with Copilot quickly. So a bit of a milestone.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: What head coach was the fastest to get 15 wins
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: in Jaguars franchise history? And Copilot had the answer for me.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: It's Liam Cohen. He was the fastest to get there.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: He did it in just 20 games, which is kind
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: of crazy to look back on. I think he's done
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: that so quickly. Last coach to do it, Matt LaFleur
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: in Green Bay in 2019 and 2020. Looks like they
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: made the right coaching hire. I think that's safe to say, Pete,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: wouldn't you?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think the people in Tampa are really
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: lamenting it right now, by the way.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: I knew how mad they got when that whole situation,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: that he was going to be good. Because you don't
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: get that mad if it's some bum that's leaving. Like,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: they were furious.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: They were mad. I know. I talked to a bunch
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: of people in that organization when it was going on.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: They were mad.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: And, look, I can watch Liam Cohn draw plays all day.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: Because every week, it's Sean McVay.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 6: That's what it is.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: If you want to.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, the creativity is fantastic and the sequencing.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: And looking ahead.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: Like I said, I can see his madman head going
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: nuts right now trying to figure out when he's going
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: to get that play involved where he leaks out right
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: through the middle of the line when he makes him
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: look like he's the blocking back and sends Strange straight
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: down the field for a 50-yard gain.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: And listen, I don't want to look too far ahead, right,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: because I'm having fun being the president right now. But
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: this is the beauty of having a play caller who's
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: also the head coach, is that you're always going to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: help your quarterback out with that, right? There's some coaches
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: in the league that defer to their offensive coordinators to
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: call the plays.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: They do well. They get the best out of their quarterback.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: What happens? They go all their places, right? They have
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: to bring in a whole new system, a whole new scheme.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Learn the X's and O's. Once again, it takes two
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: or three years. Maybe they do good, and then they're gone, right?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: Not here in Jacksonville. You have a guy now that's
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: going to be here for a while, that's calling the plays,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: that gets the best out of his quarterback.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: That's the ideal situation that you want for your franchise.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: And by the way, not to discount Grant Udinski either,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: because from everything I've heard, and I've talked to Grant,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: but other people in the organization, his ability to see
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: things when the game plan is getting put into place
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: and make Trevor see them is said to be unreal.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: His ability to see it. translate it give it to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: trevor and then allow liam to call it with trevor
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: taking what grant had given him they say that is
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: the the process is unreal that's why it works it's a.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Crazy game of telephone it's important you got to be
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: able to teach it if you know all the answers
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: but you can't teach it doesn't work.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: And by the way they keep winning games grant and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: campanile are gone Of course.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I expect that very much so. That's why we're
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: enjoying the time while they're here now. A lot more
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: to come up. We're going to keep it real. We're
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: going to talk about the pass rush, what they need
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: to do going forward with that. Jaguars happy hour presented
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: by Mr. Chubby's Wing.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: We started with the plan. I think we really tightened
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: our third down menu going into the week. Typically, you know,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: you carry... Roughly about four to five passes in each
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: window and like two runs per window. We actually trimmed
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: down some of the inventory, looked at what plays within
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: the normal D & D game plan could also slide
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: into some of those third down windows.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: So we really.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: Focused on what we do best. What do we execute best?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: What are our guys go out and play fast doing best?
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: And I thought Trevor did some really good things of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: either throwing off schedule, making a play with a guy
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: in his face. We made some contested catches as well
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: in some critical moments today. So very proud of the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: situational awareness.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: Ian Cohen talking about some of their success, you know,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: trying to get the ball out quickly, what they were
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: able to do to negate some of the Patriots' defense
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: and their pass rush. But we are going to talk
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: about our pass rush here on Jaguars Happy Hour, presented
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: by Mr. Chubby's Wings. And we're going to keep it real.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Presented by ServPro, like it never even happened before. Let's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: talk about the pass rush problem, Pete, because they didn't
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: do a ton in week two. It was kind of
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: nothing from them whatsoever. Was it as bad as it
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: looked in week three when you rewatched?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: And I think Austin touched on it. It looked like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: they were trying to keep him in the pocket. So
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: it wasn't full on get up the field and attack
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: like you would some other quarterbacks.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: And so I think it was a little different approach.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: But again, the numbers aren't great, rushing the passer. the
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: money that's in their pockets is pretty great for the
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: rushing the passer. They got to be better at it.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: And if you're not, you're going to ultimately pay. It
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: starts this week. Like, like Austin said, if they don't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: rush Joe Burrow, which they did last year, by the way,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: until he went out, they knocked him out of that game.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: Remember?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: They did. That was a Mr.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: They're going to pay for it.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: They're going to pay for it. If you don't rush
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: the passer.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and I mean, there has to be
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit of worry.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: And I get maybe the game plan dictated that you
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: keep Drake May in the pocket. That's fine. But you've
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: seen them blitz now. You've seen them rush four. You've
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: seen them rush five. You've seen them run stunts, seen
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: them run games. And it seems like they're kind of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: having problems getting home these past couple games. And I mean,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, because if you look at their edges, right,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Josh Hines-Allen, Trayvon Walker, BJ Green, we put Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: up there as well. You know, they're all, to me,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: they're all physical rushers. They're all speed to power. You
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily have like that speed guy. Now you have Gardeck,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: who is used in packages and things like that, who
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: can provide you a little speed. But to me, it's
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: almost like they have a lot of the same type
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: of rusher, Pete. And I wonder, like, I wonder if
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: going forward that's going to be an issue. I don't
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: think it's going to be because the resume of Josh
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: Hines-Allen says 17.5 one season. Trayvon Walker's had double digits for, what,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: two years now? I think they can get the job done,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: but I wonder if they need a little more speed
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: or just a little something different, man, because right now
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: you're not seeing the best.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: Which goes back to when we were talking about making
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: a trade, and we were talking about trading for a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: down interior pass rusher. Mm-hmm. Well, what if he traded
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: for an end and move Walker inside on passing downs?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Possibility.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, they have a twitchy.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: End because they don't have a twitchy end.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: That's, that's what they lack.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: Josh finds Allen and Trayvon Walker are really, really good
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: football players and they're good pass rushers, but neither.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: One of them would be considered twitchy.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: Like, and like a Von Miller is prime twitcher, you know,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: Aiden Hutchinson twitchy or a, You know, that kind of
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: Miles Garrett or Khalil Mack in his prime, Bon Miller.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: Those kind of guys.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: So where do you go looking for a twitchy pass rusher? Well,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: you thought at some point that twitchy pass rusher might
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: be with the Raiders.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: But the Raiders are now three and oh.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: And so a team that's 3-0, if they somehow kept winning,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: which I don't think they will, by the way, but
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: if they did, they're not trading away twitchy pass rusher, right?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: No way. Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 4: Pete, since we're keeping it real right now, if Mendoza's
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: a starting quarterback like you wanted, are the Raiders 3-0?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Don't know.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: Probably not. All right.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: But Pete says they're going to be bad from now on,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: Here's their next four games, by the way.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: They had their fun in the sun.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: You want me to read them to you?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: They play.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: They play home against Kansas City, at New England, home
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: against Seattle, I think, and then home against the Rams. Ooh.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: Well, I guess we'll see.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: You're about to find out.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: So if they're three and four, you know.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Pete, if they're five and two, they might be trading
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Mendoza away. Who knows?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: No. I'm kidding. I'm joking.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I'm joking.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: I know, but I tell you what, the Raiders are
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: doing things the right way. They got a lot of
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: good young players on that team, which is why trading
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: Crosby and getting even more assets might make sense for them.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: But you know what, Pete? And I can't say enough
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: about the Kubiak offense, man. It's the power of the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: play action, right? It's meat and potatoes play action. It
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: gets the job done.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: And by the way, what are they missing?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: The Raiders?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: A receiver that can go down the field.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Well, they've done deals with them before.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: You trade Brian Thomas, maybe a draft pick, a third
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: or fourth rounder, and you go get Crosby or a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: second round to go get Crosby.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: Pete's got his GM hat on.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: Well, they need something. You're not wrong, Austin. They're all
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: the same. There's no twitchy there. Where's the twitchy?
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: Can you fix it with this roster, or you have
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: to make a trade?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, the time they guard that guy,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: now is he going to give you 30 great or
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: 20 great rushes a game?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: Probably not, right? Like I think in some packages.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: Brian Thomas looked pretty twitchy on that late rush he
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: had to get a half a sack. I mean, but
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: you can't count on that. I mean, it's a rookie.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: You can't count on that.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, and you have Wesley Williams eventually maybe because
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: we haven't seen him yet.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: But he's not really a twitchy guy either.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: That's not what he was. You know, so they got
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: to try and look around to see if they can
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: address that. The current state of the pass rush on
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: third down.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 6: Has to be manufactured.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: Yep. Unless you had another edge, quick, fast, twitchy edge
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: rusher where you could slide Trayvon inside and let him
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: rush inside.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think right now, to echo your point, I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: think you have to rely on the Blitz a little
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: more to get home, which, you know, once again, if
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: it's a team like the Bengals and you're sending a
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: couple extra, you don't feel good about, you know, Blitzing
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 4: and leaving man coverage with, you know, T.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Higgins and Jamar Chase all the time.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: Or Jamar Chase and Monteric Brown. Yeah. And you're not
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: going to do that.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: That would be not good. I don't think anyone wants
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: to see that.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: I think we're all good.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: I'm going to vote and say no one wants to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: see that.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: Well, the good news is Winger's not on the back
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: end anymore, so that's a good thing.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: I text JP every once in a while when I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: see a Winger play.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: Did you say you missed the tackle last week?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: You get run over on the touchdown, yes. But he
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: was quick to respond and say that Dewey had a
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: goal line stand there. on the fourth down as well.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: Look at J.P.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Backing up his deer. Oh, yeah. Hands on the table.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Ready to go, J.P.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Ball in the desert. Got to. Stay with us on
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour after we will talk more about the
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals, see if Travis Hunter's going to try a
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter revenge game, perhaps, as they head up to Cincy.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: Much more coming up.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: We need to get closer to the receiver to get interference.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: We shall see.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: From the two-yard line. Third down and goal for the Patriots.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Under center. Rolling right is May.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Looking, looking, looking.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: Fires to the back of the end.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: The ball's going to be picked off.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: It's going to be picked off.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 10: How about that? How about Travis Hunter?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: He picked it off in the back of the end zone.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: And they have turned the Patriots away.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 10: How about that for the second-year player?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: It's Frank Frangie with the call of the game presented
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: by Coil Fence. It's 1927. We've been around the block
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: and fenced it too. Finally got that monkey off his back,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: got the first interception of his career, and he's going
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: back to Cincinnati where he didn't get that pass interference call.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: And then all, that's where it set it all off.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: So it's a revenge game of sorts.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: Real quick too, shout out to Foya Lucan on that play,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: who his read recognition is, like shot out of a cannon.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he really deflected. He didn't deflect
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: the football or anything, but he did put some pressure
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: on Drake May, I think, to kind of help him
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: throw that ball to Travis Hunter.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: He looked fast on that play.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: That was crazy, wasn't it, Pete?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: He didn't look as old as he is on that play.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: He came out of nowhere. That was as fast as
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: he's looked in a long time. That was a great play.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: He didn't have anybody open. There was nobody open on
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: that play.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Nobody.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: I don't know why he didn't throw it into the crowd.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: That was just a thrown prayer because there was no
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: way he thought anyone was open either. Yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, look, Travis Hunter made a great play. I mean,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: it was a good man coverage play. That's what he did.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: He covered the guy and he did a nice job
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: with it. And again, revenge game for that call. I mean,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: think about where it was a year ago, though, in
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: that game. That was what, week two?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: It was week two. He was never going to get
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: that call, even if he made the perfect, which you
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: could argue he made a great play.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: He was never going to get that. It was an interference.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: But it's funny how to think how things would switch
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: had he gotten that call. You know what I mean?
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: If it went Jacksonville's way, they would have had a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: home field advantage in the playoffs.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: They'd still be showing that video.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: They would have had a home.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: Field advantage in the playoffs.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We still had it against the Bills, but you know.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: But I'm talking about they would have had the number
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: one seed.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: We're doing what it could have, should have.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: You're not playing along.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: Sorry.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: My bad.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: But again, this is a guy that hasn't played a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: lot of football.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: That's what If he came into the league, did what
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: he did on offense last year, played his bits on defense,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: and then got hurt and didn't play the rest of
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: the year and came back this year, but they didn't
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: trade up and call him a unicorn and they're going
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: to change the game, everybody's saying, okay, it's a pretty good,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: solid draft pick. But because of what they gave up
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: for him, because of what they said about him, it
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: changed the whole narrative. He was going to redefine how
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: guys play football. That's not what's happening. And it's not
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: going to happen unless they play more on offense.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: And I think they will with time. If you were
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: in a regular season and he was playing straight through,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: he's played 10 games. It would be like an early November.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: Like that's where he is in his rookie season, if
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: you want to look at it that way. And I
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: think what they did early, which may have been a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: hindrance as well, is they gave, he has both playbooks
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: and I think he was trying to do too much
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: at once. And now what they're trying to do is like, hey,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: let's master one thing and then we'll incorporate the other
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: later on.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: Pete, you know what's wild, man, is that we spent
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: kind of the preseason shows talking about, okay, when Travis
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: Hunter goes in on offense, who's coming out and everything?
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 4: Is it going to be Brian Thomas Jr.? Is it
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: going to be Parker Washington? Josh Cameron's going in. Never mind.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Now he's shown you can trust Josh Cameron a little bit.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: So Travis Hunter's not even really needed right now on offense.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: Which is why trading Brian Thomas is not that wild
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: a proposition to a team that needs a wide receiver.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: It's not, no, listen, man, I get what you're saying.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: My only thing is right now, would you get value
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: on the dollar for Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Probably not with the way that he's playing. No, but
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: if you put.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: A package together with him in it, a receiver-needy team,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: and you could pry away a pass-rushing defensive tackle or
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: a twitchy end, I would consider that.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you can definitely get a need, Pete,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: then sure. It's definitely on the table. But if we're talking, like,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: future draft considerations, then I'm just going to say, well,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: you know what?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Like, why not have depth?
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: Because knock on wood, but injuries can happen, right? And
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: if you've got to tell me, okay, well, Brian Thomas Jr.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: might come off the bench and replace him, so be
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: it then.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: Also, BT's your burner.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: You don't have that.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't trade him for draft picks.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I would keep him.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: So you're saying if it's a need right now, interior
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: defensive line, fast edge.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 5: Rusher, you're good?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: Interior pass rusher, edge twitchy rusher.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: That's what I would... Any package I could package together
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: to get something like that, then I would do that.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: Because you would agree with that, wouldn't you?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: It's risky, but at the same time, I mean, is
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: the risk worth the reward? I think so, right? Because
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: we're talking about you need more pass rush. Like they
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: have receivers right now and they have a Josh Cameron
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 4: who can come in and suffice. Now, do they have
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: a burner per se? Maybe not, but I'm willing to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: sacrifice that if it means we can get to the
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: quarterback even more.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: It's interesting. I feel like some of these issues were
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: eight months ago issues that we discussed and Pete, were
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: they just trying to motivate what they already had in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: house because they didn't address them a ton.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: No but they well they kind of did though they
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: they addressed it with a draft they got the fourth
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: round pick they used on a supposed pass rusher right.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 4: Well they got wesley williams they got regis too for
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: interior purposes.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: They got yeah.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: You just heard Wesley Williams hasn't played yet.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, Ro, Ro, Ro, Ro, Ro, Ro, Ro, Ro actually
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: made a couple plays on Sunday.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Rook had a sack, I believe. Yes, he did.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: He's still learning the game, too.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: He's done a couple plays in a run game, too.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's still learning, man. If you give him
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: some time, because I've said this about him, he's got
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: a great first step, right? And that's hard to teach.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: So if you can kind of teach him the eye discipline,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: getting comfortable playing that three or even that one if
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: you want to drop him down, with his first step,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: it might be something.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: Pete has a little bit of a disappointment was Dickerson.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's been as flashy as he was.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: A year ago.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: Do you agree?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on that.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But to me, that wasn't his game though, Pete.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: Next step.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I feel like he was never really a
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: flashy guy though.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: No, but I thought he would, you know, I'm talking
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: about flash play.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: Play here.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: He just, have you noticed them much?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: I haven't.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Is he even on.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: The tackle sheet? Is he even on the tackle sheet?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. There's not a lot on the
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: defensive score sheet, as we discussed, other than Devon Hamilton.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: Dickerson had two tackles, one assisted tackle, so three combined
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: and zeros elsewhere.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: Funny how they give tackles sometimes.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: Like there was a play where somebody made the tackle
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 5: underneath and I think a Louis Khan or somebody came
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: over and they gave him credit for the tackle.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: If you're near there, that's the key. Just stand by
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: the pile somewhere.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: Ventrell is playing really good football, by the way.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: He is, man.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: What's impressive about Ventrell?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: He really is.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: What's that?
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: What's impressed you most about him?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: Remember, he used to be a liability in past coverage.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 5: He's not a liability in past coverage anymore. Again, nobody's
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: asked him this. I've asked a couple of the guys
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: if this is true. He looks leaner to me. Like,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: he's not the... plug that he was like a fire
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: hydrant he was he's leaner and i think he's running
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: better and he's still playing with a physical presence but
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: he looks like he's faster and more athletic to me
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: at least to me that's what it looks like on
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: tape compared to a year.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Ago you heard foy lucan say this a lot to
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: the point where i'm just like okay man i mean
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: like i'll take your word for it but now i'm
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: starting to believe it or you know they practice like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: the whole eye discipline thing where you see and react And, yeah,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: you saw that with that interception to Travis Hunter-Foy. But
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: you see with Ventrell Miller as well where, you know,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: and I'm with you, Pete. I kind of question his
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: ability in space. We know he's a physical linebacker, right?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: But can he play in space? Can he cover somebody?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: You see with Ventrell where once he diagnoses what's going on,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: He's to it like that. And that's the difference between
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: him right now and Branson Combs, who I thought was
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: going to be the better cover guy. Branson Combs seems
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: like he's maybe second-guessing a little too much right now
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: and still getting used to the position. Ventro Miller, whether
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: he's right or he's wrong, he's going to go. And
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: if he's wrong, he'll make up for it with effort.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: And that's the biggest difference right now is the read
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: and reacting for those linebackers.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: It's noticeable.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: By the way, he is... And granted, we don't put
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: as much stock as most people do into these grades.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: He's the top-rated PFF linebacker after three games.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: Ventrell Miller.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: Devin who?
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: Well, Devin Lloyd had a great game week two. He
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: did not play last week.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was hurt. But one of the things, you
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: always have to line up Devin Lloyd. Let's be real.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: You don't have to do that with Ventrell Miller.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: It's nice to see. A pleasant surprise. I know they
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: were betting on Ventrell, so what he's been able to
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: do has been impressive. I was going to say, when
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: we were talking about Rook-a-ro-ro-ro, Mason Smith went to Atlanta.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: I feel like that name pops up every time I see.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: Someone covering his pockets.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: He's played some good football for Atlanta.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: It feels like one of those, like, everybody needed a
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: little change of scenery, and now it's working.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, probably so. And, look, Mason Smith wasn't very good
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: in Jacksonville, let's be real.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm. But sometimes you're right. You go get a change
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: of scenery, get a different situation, and it starts working out.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: Because he made some plays last week against the Packers.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: He's been better. He had the talent. It was just
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: a matter of putting it together. I loved him coming out.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: I thought he was going to be a steal in
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: the second round. And sometimes guys aren't motivated in certain situations,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: and that was the word on him.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 6: He wasn't as motivated in Jacksonville.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing, too, you have to realize,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 4: and like– I always think it's a position coach thing, right?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 4: Because you think, okay, well, this coach can get the
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: best out of him. Well, he's dealing with Liam Cohen, what,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: maybe 10 minutes out of his day, right? But what
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: it comes down to is it comes down to your
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: defensive corner, but more specifically your position coach. And some
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: coaches work better with players than others. You know, some
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: players learn differently. It's just the way that it is.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: And maybe just a new change of scenery is what
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: Mason Smith needed. But, like, I think if Mason Smith
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: stays here, I don't think they're going to get what
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: they got out of him in Atlanta. You know, it's
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: just the fact of it's a change of scenery, man.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: Also, Atlanta looked crazy indifferent when they get their quarterback
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: back in. I just, that game as a whole was like.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Green Bay is.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: Also, you're playing against a bad offensive line, and Green
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Bay stinks. Yeah.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Is Green Bay bad now? Sorry to get totally sidetracked
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: from the Jaguars.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: You know, it's funny.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: Somebody put out something the other day.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: They have... This kind of relates to the Jaguars, because
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: their offensive line is so bad, but they've had an...
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: They lost their left tackle as their best player for
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: the year. But they have five guys starting elsewhere... that
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: were on their roster two years ago, including Cole Van Lannen.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: You know, the left tackle in.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Carolina, Rasheed Walker.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: Myers, the center with the Jets. Jenkins is in Cleveland.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's five of them.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: And their line that they have now is so bad,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 5: but they allow those guys all to leave.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: It just made no sense. It's malpractice in the offensive line.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: Pete, but here's the thing about the Packers, too, because,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously they've got a lot of friends and
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: family back in Green Bay.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, do weigh in.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: And it's panic mode right now in Green Bay. You know,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: they don't have Josh Jacobs right now. They can be
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: a run-first team. They don't have a wide receiver that
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: can get you 10 receptions a game. Like, they have
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: Matthew Golden, who's a deep threat, and they have Christian Watson,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: who's a deep threat. But these guys aren't route runners.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: They can't run the whole tree. They can't get you
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: 10 receptions a game. Well, Jaden Reed would, but he's hurt.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. But he's been out, man. His
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 4: craft is a shell of himself right now. He was
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: their target monster.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: By the way, I joked around today on our show.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: Green Bay plays Tampa Bay.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: Their offensive lines in the last two weeks, their game
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: on Thursday and their game on Sunday might have been
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: the two worst ever, so it's a six-on-six game. I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: don't know if we've seen six-on-six football yet, but that's
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: basically what it's going to be.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: Battle of the Bays. We're going to go national in
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: the next block, so let's do our final look-ahead, way-too-early
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: scouting report. Who needs to play well in Cincinnati for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: them to get a win next week?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: Hainsey. Hainsey, it's on you. This is the game... where
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned because the one problem with Hainsey is he's
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: not physical. And big power player like Dexter Lawrence, man,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 5: that's going to be a problem for him. It is.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: I'm curious to see how they figure out a plan
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: to block him. He's been so good early this year. Now,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh did some creative stuff. I don't know if you
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: saw the one play going around where they had Washington
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: blast them on the way out coming through the line.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think they might do stuff like that.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And strange and everything. But again, block him or
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: you're going to have problems all day long because he
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: can push right.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: The worst thing a quarterback wants is pressure right in
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: your face, right.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: Up the gut.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: And for me, it's got to be the defensive line
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: and what the coach camp's plan is going to be
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: to get after Joe Burrow a little bit. Now you've
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: had Joe Burrow's number, you know, but it just feels
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: a little different this time around. And are you going
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: to send four and trust they can get home? Are
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: you going to start blitzing and leave a little more
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: man coverage? Like, I'm really curious to see what the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: plan to contain Joe Burrow is because it's one thing
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: to contain guys like Drake May and Bo Nix.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's of a different caliber.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: It's a bad combination too. You're getting a team coming
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: off a division loss at home after being on the
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: road for two weeks. That's never, never a good thing.
• 1:25:50
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, guys, that one feels real good. That one
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: feels good.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 10: Hey, man, you talk about responding together as a team.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: All week, there was no doubt, no.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 10: Doubt that you guys were going to continue to do
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 10: it and do it and stay the course.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: And, man, that's what happened.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 10: Talk about complimentary football at its finest. Playing off each other, man.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 10: Give it up for you guys, man. Really proud of you.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 10: Really proud of you guys. That is a legitimate response
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 10: to who we know who we are, guys.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: We know who we are.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: That's the reality.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Great job, fellas.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: Great job.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Enjoy it tonight. All right, Jax on three.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: One, two, three.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: Jax!
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: Flying in fist pump from Liam Cullen. He was jacked up,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: got to beat his hometown team. I mean, it's got
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: to feel great.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Listen, I voiced my concerns last year that that rotator cuff,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: you know, if you keep on getting wins like that,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: how much can that rotator cuff handle? But maybe the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: guy's doing Pilates, some sort of yoga regimen. He's got
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: a lot of fluidity, a lot of flexibility in that shoulder.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: Everybody's playing hurt, okay? After training camp, everybody's playing hurt.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: You just got to go out and give 100%.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. By the way, there was something today from somebody
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: at ESPN that said that. Ah, there it is.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a Jacob Mizorowski fastball. Kyle, he plays
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: for the Brewers, by the way.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's unbelievable.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Look at that fastball coming down the hill.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: Boom.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: That's a 100-mile prop right there. Liam, I'm talking on
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: that Pilates schedule, man. Hit me up, dude. I got
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: tight shoulders.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: From punching, man.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: But, Austin, I was telling you there's a thing from
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: ESPN that said that Josh Hines-Allen had the second most
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: pressures during the weekend.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: Josh Hines-Allen has the second most pressures in the weekend?
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: This weekend.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: This weekend?
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this week.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: Behind Will Anderson.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Did you see that when you watched Pete?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: No, I didn't see that. Did you?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Not really.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 6: But they count when he got him on the boots.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: But this has to count when Drake Mayweather was leaving
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: the pocket and then Josh Hines was chasing him down.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: It's just one of those stats that's hard to quantify, right?
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: What does PFF say?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know what they said about his pressure,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: but they said they gave him a good grade though.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: I do know.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 6: Let me look and see. I'll tell you right now.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: I was joking.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: They did give him a good grade. No, because it's
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: interesting to look at all the people who grade this
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: stuff and see what they say, but I thought it...
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: Did you watch the tape?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: I thought it was.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: He wasn't He wasn't bad or anything, but it wasn't
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: like he was knocking people back and winning consistently.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't think. So he had great discipline in terms
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: of the run game and everything. Wasn't peeking inside too much. But, like, yeah,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: getting after the quarterback, I mean, we said it earlier
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: in the show. Like, Drake May in his career had
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: the second most time to throw in the pocket.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: He was just panicking.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 6: Like, his best grades for them were run defense.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: Tackling and then he didn't get it he didn't get
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: a fantastic pass rush grade but he was the second
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 5: highest rated player and they gave him credit for one
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: hurry so i don't know what what you know i
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: didn't see anything no no sack one hurry so i
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: don't know he played a good game it's just he
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: wasn't a great pass rusher by the way the highest
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: rated player devon hamilton our man player of the.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Game player of the game who pete's trying to replace
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: a beat of a apparently but it's all good.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: No, I'm not trying to replace him.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying they need to get something. I would
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: go get a pass rusher now that I think of
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: it and move Trayvon Walker inside on third downs.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind that.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: GM Pete, he's changing his mind on the flag.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 6: Hey, Tony Pacelli can do it. Anybody can do it.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: They all came from Jaguar's happy hour. The success. You're next, Pete.
• 1:30:10
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• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: Once again, Jaguars in strong command of the AFC South,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: which is now a combined 3-9. One other team had
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: to get a win because the Colts played the Texans.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: Texans are 0-3, Pete. What happened to Texans running the South?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: And playing the Cowboys this week in what's a big
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: game for both teams. So, yeah, again... The Colts went
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 5: into that game giving up 37 points per game, and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: the Texans couldn't move the football consistently. They can't run
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: the ball. Remember, we revamped our offensive line. It's not
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: any better. They don't have any weapons.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 6: The quarterback isn't playing great.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: Defensively, there's still going to be a problem for everybody,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 5: aside from week one when Josh Allen got them with
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: a bunch of big plays.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: They're still good defensively, but they're not scoring well.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: Points oh and three they came out of that lap
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: two years in a.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Row yeah but they had to rip off all those
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: runs those wins at the end to kind of make
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: up for it so they're again making it hard on
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: themselves uh the bills.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 6: And they lost two at home already this year.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: They have which is not a good start the bills
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: get a win but five turnovers still found a way
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: the chargers continuing on pete as you mentioned winless.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: There's another one. They could end up going 0-9. Their
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: schedule is just brutal. They could go 0-9. And then
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: there's going to be questions about Harbaugh.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: I don't think they'll fire him, but there'll be questions
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: about him.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: The other Harbaugh getting a new quarterback, J.G. McCarthy leaving Minnesota,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: heading to New York. How did we get to this point?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: I said this on our show today.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: If he went to New York and had success, did
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: Kevin O'Connell fix him? Or was he not fixable by
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: the quarterback guru? You know what I mean? Is he
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: going to be blamed or did he fix him? You
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: know how everybody leaves Minnesota. Kevin O'Connell got Sam Donald right.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: He fixed him. He fixed him.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: No, blame him for, number one, blame him for letting
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: Sam Darnold go and then blaming for maybe a fixed J.J.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: McCarthy because right now you've got Kyler Murray and we'll
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: see how that turns out for you.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: And you drafted him.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: And you drafted him high.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: So you've got a ham sandwich, a fifth-round pick for
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 5: the guy you picked in the first round. So blame the–
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: but they are 3-0.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: By the way, shout out to Jameis Winston because nobody
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: spins a bad offense like Jameis Winston. Coming out and saying, well, yeah,
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: we put up 12 points. Six times two is 12,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: and we did that for Jackson Dart.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: John Harbaugh goes, oh, really cool. Here's J.J. McCarthy. We'll
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: see you later. Thanks for your services.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: You know what that was? that was a deal they
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: had talked about before Sunday based on what they saw
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 5: from Jameis Winston. And then when they saw what Jameis
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: Winston did the last two games, they said, let's call
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: the Vikings again and make this deal with JJ McCarthy.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: That's what that was.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: Sure. I mean, he ran into Kim Scadavu on the,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: trying to hand off.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: There's, there's just a lot.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: It wasn't good.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Uh, That somehow they got a field together in Brazil.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: Ravens get that dramatic win over the Cowboys. Talking about
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: that Cowboys Texans matchup. Cowboys have been struggling.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: Pete, what's going on with your Super Bowl team?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: Well, they have a lot of, they have nobody playing
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: on the back end. In fact, the guy, this is
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 5: how bad that was at the end of that game.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: They had a kid that played two plays in that game.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 6: And he's in man coverage on Zay Flowers.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not good.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: And they played cover one, and the safety that was
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: in the game played barely at all because he was
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: a replacement too, and he goes bailing to the deep center.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: They love a big boy in the middle of the
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: field to hit the shot, got down, kicked the field goal.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: Coaching malpractice is what that was at the end of
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: The Commanders beat the Seahawks yesterday. Marcus Mariota, correct?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: You know what this was yesterday? It was a reminder
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: to all of us that, Nobody in the league is
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: any good right now. That's what it was.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: I have no idea who's good. I say that every time.
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  Speaker 5: Nobody does.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, think about the 3-0 teams.
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  Speaker 5: The Vikings are one of them.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: The Raiders. Are they good?
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: Are the Vikings good?
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Are the Raiders good? They have a good defense.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: The Chiefs, though? They've got a great defense. The Chiefs?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: The Bills and the 49ers.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Are the Chiefs 3-0?
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: And the Eagles can get there tonight if they win.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: The Chiefs are 3-0.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: The Chiefs are 3-0, yeah.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: Right, that's what I said.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: I was making sure they were.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: Are the Chiefs good?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: They find ways to win.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: I think they have a running game for the first
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: time in a long time that helps things out.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they're good. The Raiders are undefeated, and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: the combined records of the teams they beat is 1-8. Oof. Yeah.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: Because the Chargers are 0-1 and the Dolphins stink, and
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: then the Saints are now 1-2.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: The Raiders.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: The Browns are 2-1, by the way.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: Are the Browns good now?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: But I will say this. They played much better the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 5: last two weeks in a lot of areas than they
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: did in week one. They really did.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: The defense has been much better.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: And you know what? Big division game Thursday night at
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: home against the Steelers, who are also 2-1, as are
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: the Bengals, as are the Ravens.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: Todd Munkin's getting them together.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: Making it happen. Todd's a good football coach. Absolutely.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: Making it work.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Let's go. Let's talk tonight. The Philadelphia Eagles fly into
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Chicago to take on the Bears at Soldier Field. Philly
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: trying to maintain their undefeated record. The Bears are trying
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: to keep everything together, stay afloat while their starting quarterback
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: is always competitive. It's always competitive in the NFC North. Eagles, Bears,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: who you got?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: There's the deflection. You see that deflection? He was ready.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: That's a real deflection.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 5: Sorry, Brent Strange.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: Not today. That's an interception, Trevor. Sorry about that. Go ahead, Kai.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: Who you got?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Boom.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: Jake Bay just threw it into my stomach.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have to be, we're taking the Eagles, man. Like,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: come on. Oh yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: I'm taking the Eagles. Look, no Caleb Williams. Case Keenum start.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 6: And that changes the whole.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: Way you run the football.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: There's no threat of the quarterback pulling the football and
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: running it out.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 5: I'm taking the Eagles.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: If Caleb's out, they said now it's a grade two.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: So it could be three, three weeks, three, four weeks.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: Can the bears stay afloat? Cause you're talking about the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: Vikings three. No, that's a tough division.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, and it's not a great defense. Remember, they
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: give up a boatload of points in week one to Carolina. Now,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: last week it was in the rain, and Minnesota doesn't
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: score on anybody, so it was different. But without Caleb Williams,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: they change who they are offensively. And it's funny how
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: things flip in two... Remember, week one, they're going to
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: set the scoring record. Week two, they scored three points,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: and they lost their quarterback, and now they're playing with
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: Case Keenum, and they're wondering when they're going to get
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: the quarterback back. So it flips in a hurry in
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: this league.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: So, no, I.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: Remember they played the Eagles last year and they ran
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: it and ran it and ran it for over 200
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: yards against them. I don't think they're going to be
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: able to do that without Caleb Williams.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: All right. Well, it's one to watch. We've got big
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: game on week four coming up against the Bengals. But
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: for now, we're going to enjoy this Victory Monday and
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Victory Week. Thank you for joining us on Jaguars Happy Hour.