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Timeline Therapy with Jamie Green · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapists podcast. My name is Gamick.
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Speaker 1: Person I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to
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Speaker 1: helping those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank
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Speaker 1: this show. So five four, three, two and one, our folks,
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the podcast. Very excited today to have
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Speaker 1: my guest, Jamie Green. Jamie welcome, Yes.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. It's the honor to be here.
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Speaker 1: Seik, appreciate it. Thank you. Jamie is a transformational coach,
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Speaker 1: reiki master, and wellness facilitator who helps individuals and organizations
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Speaker 1: release limiting beliefs, strengthen emotional resilience, and step into their
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Speaker 1: potential through trauma informed practices. She blends techniques like timeline therapy,
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Speaker 1: NLP hypnotherapy, and yoga with neuroscience back strategies to support
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Speaker 1: stress reduction, enhance communication, confidence building, and team cohesion. She
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Speaker 1: delivered its keynote talks and workshops with customized wellness programs
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Speaker 1: for corporate teams, schools, and retreats. Jamie, Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it all. Right, before we get going share with
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Speaker 1: our listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I am originally from Baltimore and I just
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Speaker 3: relocated back to Baltimore from Sunny Florida.
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Speaker 1: Oh all right, just in time for the Winner.
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Speaker 2: Yeah all right.
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Speaker 1: So Jamie, how the heck did you get into this field?
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Speaker 1: How did this start for you?
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love that question. Of course. You know,
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Speaker 2: as you know.
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Speaker 3: How healers, we all develop through our own personal healing journey, right,
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Speaker 3: and so growing up, I grew in a household with
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Speaker 3: a Vietnam veteran, and I saw the effects of unhealed
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Speaker 3: trauma and as a child not being able to comprehend
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Speaker 3: why their parent is and showing up fully in a
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Speaker 3: way that they need to provide support. During those childbearing days,
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Speaker 3: I internalized a lot of what I saw. I couldn't
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Speaker 3: understand why my father was choosing subsibuse over being present
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Speaker 3: as a dad, and so I carried these beliefs, thinking
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Speaker 3: that I wasn't worthy of love that was nourishing and good,
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Speaker 3: that I wasn't good enough, and so it took me
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Speaker 3: many years to find something that actually worked. I utilized
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Speaker 3: traditional talk therapy, but oftentimes I found that I left
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Speaker 3: worse than what I initially felt initially going into the office,
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Speaker 3: because the conscious mind can only process so much information, right,
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Speaker 3: And it's as if, let's say, our life experiences are
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Speaker 3: different parts of a story, and our conscious mind can
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Speaker 3: logically understand and review the cover of a book, let's say,
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Speaker 3: and we can determine what we think the story is
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Speaker 3: going to be about. But those details that tells more
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Speaker 3: about the character and their struggles, all of that lies
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Speaker 3: in the subconscious mind. And so when I finally found
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Speaker 3: timeline therapy and normal linguistic programming, everything transformed for me.
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Speaker 1: So you talked about the experience of growing up with
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Speaker 1: a Vietnam veteran? How did you deal with this as
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Speaker 1: a young kid? Say what? Ten eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
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Speaker 1: How did you deal with it? Were you what?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 3: Thankfully I had an older brother at the time, so
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Speaker 3: we had our own little connection and ways of trying
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Speaker 3: to mitigate any type of triggers in the household. I
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Speaker 3: also sought out music as a form of therapy, and
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Speaker 3: I found meditation at a very young age, and that
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Speaker 3: was a way of creating a safe space when things
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Speaker 3: got really bad. Unfortunately, though, I wasn't completely free of
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Speaker 3: the drama. As children, we learned through modeling, and even
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Speaker 3: though I knew that I didn't want to be like
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Speaker 3: my dad and repeat those same steps, I saw him
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Speaker 3: modeling how he coped with stressful situations. And since I
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Speaker 3: had all of these internal demons as we call them,
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Speaker 3: feeling unworthy, I felt like my life wasn't worth living.
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Speaker 3: I turned to drinking alcohol as well, trying to fill
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Speaker 3: that eternal hole of you know, toxic feelings.
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Speaker 1: At what age did you start?
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Speaker 2: It was around fourteen? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Okay, so fourteen through high school? Okay? Was there a
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Speaker 1: time than that frame where you did seek out therapy
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Speaker 1: or was that your therapy?
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Speaker 3: That was one form of therapy for me, toxic form
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Speaker 3: of therapy.
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Speaker 2: And then of course.
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Speaker 3: I found myself in a lot of situations that I
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Speaker 3: shouldn't have been involved in, and that led to me
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Speaker 3: being sexually abused multiple times. Unfortunately it was someone who
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Speaker 3: I thought that I could trust, but things took a
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Speaker 3: turn with alcohol involved, and after that I experienced I
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Speaker 3: did seek out a therapist.
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Speaker 1: Okay, how did that go?
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Speaker 3: It wasn't as relieving, I know that because the conscious
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Speaker 3: mind only can process the five percent and all of
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Speaker 3: the other internal beliefs, the thoughts, and the feelings that's
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Speaker 3: governed by the subconscious mind.
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Speaker 2: And so even though I felt as though that what.
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Speaker 3: Had happened wasn't my vaulb, I still had that sense
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Speaker 3: of shame and guilt and I was caring that for
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Speaker 3: many years.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so how do things evolve such that did you
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Speaker 1: go to school? Did you go to what did you
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Speaker 1: go through? You went through high school? What happened after that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I went to high school and then I went off
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Speaker 3: to college in New York for about two years to
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Speaker 3: get away from family drama. But of course I was
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Speaker 3: still relying on those toxic coping mechanisms and was turning up,
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Speaker 3: you know, on the weekend the holidays and stuff, and
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Speaker 3: when I came home, things were still pretty heavy and tense.
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Speaker 3: And I eventually joined the military, and that was a blessing. Indeed,
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Speaker 3: I was able to not only feel more since worth,
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Speaker 3: self worth as well as confidence. But then the triggered
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Speaker 3: emotions began to come up when I had a physical
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Speaker 3: agility test, and that was triggering for me because it
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Speaker 3: made me think as though I wasn't good enough because
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Speaker 3: I wasn't able to perform with the cardio requirements. And
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Speaker 3: eventually it manifested in bruxicism, chewing my teeth at night.
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Speaker 1: And so.
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Speaker 3: Ding. Yeah, so if I was chewing all my problems.
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Speaker 3: So that was consistent for about three months. I tried yoga,
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Speaker 3: I tried exercising, I tried talk therapy again. Eventually I
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Speaker 3: saw all hypnotherapist and yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I am.
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Speaker 1: I am.
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Speaker 2: I thought though I had tried it all and nothing
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Speaker 2: was working. So I was like, let me just try
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Speaker 2: How did that work? It worked wonderfully.
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Speaker 3: We haven't I haven't had any sentences that one session. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and so everything that I've experienced in life has led
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Speaker 3: me to the next thing. And so that's why I
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Speaker 3: incorporate all of these techniques and therapies into my coaching
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Speaker 3: sessions because I know for a fact they work.
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Speaker 1: How did things progress such a how long were you
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Speaker 1: in the military.
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Speaker 2: For eight and a half years?
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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, you get out? What do you say, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to be a therapist. How does that happen?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Well, the transition from what I originally was doing with
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Speaker 3: security forces, I switched over it into firefighting.
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Speaker 2: When I went off for technical training.
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Speaker 3: I had to leave my son again for the second time,
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Speaker 3: which was really hard, and at the time he was
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Speaker 3: dealing with being bullied at school. So unfortunately, I wasn't
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Speaker 3: able to be fully present in the moment where I
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Speaker 3: needed to be while I was at technical training, and
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Speaker 3: due to the physical and mental demands, I wasn't able
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Speaker 3: to pass the training. So I came back to Merlin
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Speaker 3: and then I eventually got out a couple months later
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Speaker 3: to just take a break and be present with family.
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Speaker 3: But I feel as though that if it wasn't for
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Speaker 3: that experience, then I wouldn't have the opportunity to help
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Speaker 3: people the way that I'm helping them now.
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Speaker 1: So how did you decide I'm going to help people,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to start doing this. How did what was
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Speaker 1: going on in your head?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Well, I've always believed that you know everything that happens
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Speaker 3: for a reason, right, and no matter what our past
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Speaker 3: painful experiences may be, our purpose and passion is greater
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Speaker 3: than that. And I knew that after I had received
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Speaker 3: the training for NLP and timeline therapy, that that was
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Speaker 3: where my passion and my heart lied. I barely enjoy
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Speaker 3: firefighting and one day. I hope to be able to
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Speaker 3: do that when I retire. But knowing that that's where
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Speaker 3: my heart was, I knew that I was making the
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Speaker 3: right decision to focus on being a transformational coach.
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Speaker 1: So when when did you do the NLP And was
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Speaker 1: that around the time that you did the hypnotherapy mm hmm.
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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, Mindmapping Academy with doctor Maysia.
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Speaker 1: You did hypnotherapy through that, through that yes, yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: and you were like, wow, this is amazing. Say more
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Speaker 1: about that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So even from my experience and I've helped even people
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Speaker 3: that have struggling with survivors of remorse or grief from
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Speaker 3: leaving from a child, you know, when we go through
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Speaker 3: these traumatic experiences and for so many years where we
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Speaker 3: haven't found any relief, we think that that's our current life,
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Speaker 3: this is who we are, this is what we're going
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Speaker 3: to carry for the rest of our lives. So when
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Speaker 3: I initially learned about timeline therapy, it sounds so simple,
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, I've been through too many traumatic experiences
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Speaker 3: for this the work. All the way up until the
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Speaker 3: very seconds that I experienced the transformation, my mind was
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Speaker 3: still saying, this isn't gonna work with me. I'm too broken,
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Speaker 3: I'm too damaged. It's not going to do anything. And
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Speaker 3: the floodgates opened, and I've reintegrated all of those negative emotions,
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Speaker 3: the shame, the guilt, the regret of not being the
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Speaker 3: person that I need, that I could be, and I
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Speaker 3: just felt an abundance of joy and peace and having
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Speaker 3: the power to help guide people to that truth is priceless.
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Speaker 1: All right, break this down first a little bit. Give
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Speaker 1: us the nutshell version of what is timeline therapy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so timeline therapy is essentially it can be described
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Speaker 3: as like a guided virtualization, where we identify how you
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Speaker 3: see your past, your present, in your future, and from
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Speaker 3: there we go into the past belief or the root
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Speaker 3: belief such as I'm not worthy. We guide you, put
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Speaker 3: you in a state of relaxation, and we help your subconscious,
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Speaker 3: subconscious mind come to the forefront to identify what past
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Speaker 3: experience rooted that belief. And a lot of times it's
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Speaker 3: in child rearing days, but sometimes it could be in
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Speaker 3: early adulthood as well, and so once we identify that
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Speaker 3: root experience, we guide the participant back to that time,
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Speaker 3: not through their own eyes, as if they're reliving the expert,
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Speaker 3: but as an observer, and from there you're able to
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Speaker 3: gain more wisdom and more perspective from the experience and
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Speaker 3: release the emotion and the beliefs behind it.
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Speaker 1: Is that similar to hypnotherapy, No, it's.
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Speaker 3: It's similar in the fact that you're utilizing the subconscious
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Speaker 3: mind for profound, lasting change, but it's different because we're
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Speaker 3: assessing the belief, we're releasing the meaning, the negative meaning
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Speaker 3: behind it, and we're reintegrating a empowering belief. And then
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Speaker 3: you follow your timeline to different events that have occurred
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Speaker 3: from the original origin event and you're integrating those experiences
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Speaker 3: and empowered belief behind it.
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Speaker 1: Is that done in a series of sessions?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we worked with five negative emotions, so anger,
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Speaker 3: is sad, and a shame, guilt, and regret, and each
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Speaker 3: session targets one emotion at a time.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So when you experience that, well, when you
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Speaker 1: first experienced hypnotherapy, you were like, hypnotherapy was amazing, and
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Speaker 1: then you found how did you get involved with this
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Speaker 1: timeline therapy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I was actually seeking hypnotherapy. And she provides all encompassing
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Speaker 3: program that includates timeline therapy and no logalistic programming. Okay,
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Speaker 3: so my you know, unwavering dedication for truth and solution
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Speaker 3: led me to NLP and timeline therapy unknowingly.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting. Obviously there's so many modalities and different
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Speaker 1: types of therapies out there, but this worked for you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like it was life changing for you. Yes, Yes,
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Speaker 1: What did you when you first felt it? You when
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Speaker 1: you first felt the effects of it, when you first
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Speaker 1: were like, oh my god, this is great, amazing? What
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Speaker 1: were you like? What did you do? What were you thinking?
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Speaker 1: What was going on for you?
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Speaker 2: I was in tears.
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Speaker 3: It is a huge, beautiful and overwhelming sense of release.
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Speaker 3: It's you feel like your shoulders melt, your heart lightens
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Speaker 3: from carrying all of the negative, toxic emotions, and it
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Speaker 3: was unbelievable almost. I couldn't really explain in words in
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Speaker 3: that moment, I was just crying.
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Speaker 1: And what shifted for you? How did you now in
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Speaker 1: that moment or after that moment? How did you see yourself?
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Speaker 1: How did you experience yourself?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Well, for one, I immediately knew that it wasn't my fault.
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Speaker 3: Everything that I had experienced, it wasn't my fault, and
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Speaker 3: I knew it in my heart and my soul.
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to intellectualize that say yeah, I get it,
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Speaker 1: but you've got to feel it obviously.
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Speaker 3: Because if not, those negative emotions are always going to
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Speaker 3: be there and you'll start second guessing whether.
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Speaker 2: Or not it was your fault.
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Speaker 3: Right, And that's why I talk therapy can take months
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Speaker 3: to years versus this process takes twenty minutes.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, So you go through that experience and what
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Speaker 1: do you say, I want to do this myself, sign
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Speaker 1: me up or what?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I knew. I knew that everything was leading
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Speaker 2: me to this moment.
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Speaker 3: And from a very young age, when I saw my
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Speaker 3: dad struggling with his own trauma, I knew that I
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Speaker 3: wanted to help people and that I wanted to change
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Speaker 3: the world. And this is how I'm doing it, helping
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Speaker 3: people release those I'm not worthy, I'm not good enough,
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Speaker 3: so they can truly step into their power.
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Speaker 1: I mean, just remind every when I'm speaking with Jamie Green,
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Speaker 1: she is a transformational coach, reiking master, and wellness facilitator.
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Speaker 1: All right, so you started what you obviously you got
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Speaker 1: certified as a coach, therapist, whatever, reiking master, you start
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Speaker 1: helping people. Did you have a particular like target group
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Speaker 1: you wanted to work with or.
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Speaker 3: What Yeah, definitely my heart is always going to be
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Speaker 3: domestic violence survivors and abuse survivors, and then my family
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Speaker 3: the veterans as well. But I've worked with a the
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Speaker 3: first group of people to help them with overcoming different,
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Speaker 3: limiting beliefs.
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Speaker 1: And when you work with someone like that, I mean
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Speaker 1: with the understanding that everyone's different. When someone walks into
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Speaker 1: your office, are they coming to and I guess it's different? Right?
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Speaker 1: Are they coming to you with saying I've suffered from
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Speaker 1: a survivor of domestic violence? Or maybe not? Right? You
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Speaker 1: could go both ways. Let's say someone does come to
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Speaker 1: you who's admittedly a survivor of domestic violence. What do
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Speaker 1: you say to them? What do you how do you
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Speaker 1: approach that?
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Speaker 2: First?
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Speaker 3: Starting with the basics, letting them know that they're safe
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Speaker 3: and that this is a profound moment and a shift
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Speaker 3: in their current reality. The decision and the courage and
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Speaker 3: bravery that it takes to show up and to accept
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Speaker 3: that they are ready for change and healing is the
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Speaker 3: pivotal moment right there, and from there we start a
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Speaker 3: conversation about what is it exactly that they're looking for?
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Speaker 3: What's their desired outcome when they're done with the coaching sessions.
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Speaker 3: How do they see their lives, how are they moving,
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Speaker 3: what are they doing as a passion, what is their career?
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Speaker 3: And then we start to work in those different details,
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Speaker 3: enlightening them with different empowering habits, identifying the different beliefs
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Speaker 3: that they want to have moving forward and the ones
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Speaker 3: they're ready to let go.
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Speaker 1: Limiting beliefs are such a big thing in my life,
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Speaker 1: and as you were saying before, it's very easy for
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Speaker 1: a lot of us to feel like, well, this is it,
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Speaker 1: this is it, nothing's going to work for me. I
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Speaker 1: have that feeling a lot. I do. So I'm like
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Speaker 1: all ears. When you're talking about feeling similarly and something
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Speaker 1: shifted for you, It's it's amazing to hear. Yeah, when
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Speaker 1: you when you work with people, Now, Jamie, what do
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Speaker 1: you feel it is that allows you to do it?
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Speaker 1: Allows you to connect with people?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: For you? What is it in you? What is it
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Speaker 1: in you? Though?
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Speaker 2: In me?
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Speaker 3: I say, just recognizing the individual and all of who
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Speaker 3: they are, what they've lived through, what they survive, and
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Speaker 3: knowing that I see them I think that is pivotal
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Speaker 3: when you're trying to create a sense of safety and connection.
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Speaker 1: Do you notice any kind of similarity, similarities or themes
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Speaker 1: with the people who come see you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of them.
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Speaker 3: They have similar beliefs such as I'm not good enough
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Speaker 3: or I'm not worthy, and having these beliefs, they begin
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Speaker 3: to affect an influence a lot of our actions and
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Speaker 3: they determine how far we think we can go, which
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Speaker 3: is why they're they're limiting.
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Speaker 1: Right. You mentioned NLP. For those listeners who maybe aren't
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Speaker 1: familiar with it, tell them what that is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's neural linguistic programming, and that's the process of
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Speaker 3: rewiring our thoughts, release.
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Speaker 2: And our habits.
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Speaker 1: Now is that a foundation in the sense of this
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Speaker 1: timeline therapy.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they go hand in hand.
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Speaker 1: Okay, can you talk a little bit about how what
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Speaker 1: their relationship is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So after we identify the negative emotions and the beliefs
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Speaker 3: that you're ready to let go, when we make sure
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Speaker 3: we integrate the empowering belief then we're able to anchor
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Speaker 3: in and associate positive beliefs and emotions on demand. So
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Speaker 3: as you're moving forward and you begin taking bold action,
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Speaker 3: that you weren't used to taking. Instead of feeling anxiousness
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Speaker 3: and anxiety, you can anchor in a positive emotion to
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Speaker 3: help you move forward, as well as learning how to
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Speaker 3: communicate it with intention.
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Speaker 1: I mean that sounds very easy, It sounds simple, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but is it? What does it require of the client though?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Definitely beginning the work exploration, asking whether or not you're
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Speaker 3: truly ready to let go of those beliefs, if you're
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Speaker 3: truly ready to step into your purpose and power, because
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Speaker 3: that takes courage to reflect on and to address those right,
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Speaker 3: So you have to decide and commit to being your
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Speaker 3: highest self.
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Speaker 1: All right? So as we wind down here, how so
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Speaker 1: who do who you work with? You work with primarily women,
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Speaker 1: exclusively women?
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Speaker 2: Now I work with women and men.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and again people who experienced domestic violence, survivors.
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Speaker 3: Okay, higher farming, individuals that want to elevate in their
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Speaker 3: career as well, so, people that are struggling with stress
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Speaker 3: and anxiety okay.
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Speaker 1: And in what forms? What capacity? Are you working with?
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Speaker 1: People that online events, et cetera or what?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So a lot of my coaching is virtual.
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Speaker 3: I also do in person workshops as well for organizations,
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Speaker 3: and I will be hosting a transformational retreat in October
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Speaker 3: at the end of this year at River.
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Speaker 1: Mountain, OH.
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Speaker 3: It's in Pennsylvania, Oh. And so we will be going
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Speaker 3: through the entire coaching process within three days, specifically addressing
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Speaker 3: those limiting beliefs and negative emotions to fully release and
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Speaker 3: let them go.
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Speaker 1: I think one of the things I've noticed about in
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Speaker 1: talking with you, Jamie is your I mean, obviously from
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Speaker 1: your own experience, You've lived this, You've gone through the
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Speaker 1: experience of as you talked about, living in your environment,
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Speaker 1: trying to get help, things not working, and then you
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Speaker 1: found something that helped you seemingly thrive. That's incredible. And
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Speaker 1: then and then to start helping other people, that's very empowering,
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Speaker 1: very inspiring. Thank you, Look at you.
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Speaker 2: Look at you. You're doing it too.
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Speaker 1: Oh, in a different ways certainly, but it's just it's
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Speaker 1: just so it's incredible, you know, to look what you've done,
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Speaker 1: and there's just something I find so inspiring about you know,
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Speaker 1: you going through that and just like having those beliefs
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Speaker 1: where you feel like you're not worthy and then being
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Speaker 1: able to see that you are. I mean, I know,
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Speaker 1: I know there are so many people listening to this,
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Speaker 1: who can't believe that there's a different version, a healthier
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Speaker 1: version of themselves out there? What do you say to them?
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Speaker 1: Because I'm like that too, I'm like, really, come on,
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Speaker 1: what do you say?
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Speaker 3: Well, well, I would say that it starts, honestly, with
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Speaker 3: a decision. Sometimes it could be that simple, just choosing
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Speaker 3: do you want to continue being who you are now
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Speaker 3: and where you are now in a couple of years
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Speaker 3: from now, or do you want to be better? Do
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Speaker 3: you want to become that version of you that you
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Speaker 3: know deep down is for you? Because I'm sure, and
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Speaker 3: you don't have to disclose, but there's something that you
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Speaker 3: know for a fact that you can feel it in
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Speaker 3: your bones that this is for you, and you got
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Speaker 3: to follow that feeling because only you receive that vision
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Speaker 3: and that gift and the world needs it.
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Speaker 1: Love it all, right, Jamie. How do people learn about
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Speaker 1: you or learn about everything you're doing in your groups,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. What's the best way?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that you can definitely subscribe to my website at
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Speaker 3: Sunshine Soul Vibes that I have my retreats, my meditations
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Speaker 3: as well as my show, so's on there as well.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll link all that up here at the show
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Speaker 1: notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Jamie,
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Speaker 1: you are inspiring. You have an amazing smile too, that glow.
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Speaker 1: I love it. Appreciate you, all right, We'll be in touch,
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Speaker 1: all right, all right, by bye,