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The Beauty of New Beginnings · The World Knowledge

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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening, listeners. Thank you again, as always. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so grateful for all you guys who have built this
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  Speaker 1: podcast up, who listen, who watch. And I've just been,
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  Speaker 1: you know, falling across so many different stories this year,
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  Speaker 1: and they're so different. But I came across Dawn Wilcox,
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  Speaker 1: who's on the screen. And then for those listening, you'll
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  Speaker 1: hear her voice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, you know, it's kind of hard to say.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's getting any better. I've seen statistics
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  Speaker 2: that say overall, you know, homicide rates in the United
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  Speaker 2: States have gone down and that could possibly be true.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. And that's part of the reason why
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to gather this data is I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anybody can really answer that question fully, that question. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, so, I mean, that's something that I hope,
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  Speaker 2: I hope, you know, what I'm doing helps in some way. I,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's a, it's a huge question. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: I think some of the data is very difficult to, um, access.
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  Speaker 2: Like I, I couldn't, access to a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: data because I'm not an academic or I'm not in
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  Speaker 2: criminal justice. So I have to rely on news articles
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  Speaker 2: for the most part. Um, you know, which is kind of,
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  Speaker 2: it can also be a blessing in disguise because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the data is sort of under the stranglehold
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  Speaker 2: of like law enforcement. Um, and yeah, So that's really
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  Speaker 2: the only way I have hope of kind of getting
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  Speaker 2: access to some of that data. I haven't even gotten
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  Speaker 2: to the point where I've done like freedom of information
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  Speaker 2: requests because I'm already so overwhelmed with what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: information I already have that I do have access to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And what do you think would, do you think
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  Speaker 1: there is something that can help with this, that this
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  Speaker 1: will ever be something that can be eradicated or for
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  Speaker 1: you is it more is there a way i can
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  Speaker 1: inform women maybe give warning signals on this how are
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  Speaker 1: you hoping this data beyond contributing to more knowledge on
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  Speaker 1: the numbers and what type of crimes um how it
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  Speaker 1: can help perhaps.
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  Speaker 2: Well i mean help yeah and i mean and this
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  Speaker 2: is And, you know, to be clear, this is an
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  Speaker 2: issue that affects, if you, you know, scroll through some
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  Speaker 2: of the photos of the women, everyone from infant girls
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  Speaker 2: to 90-year-old women, every socioeconomic group, every race, every culture, religion.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the answers to, first of all, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it's going to be eradicated, just being realistic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Numbers can be reduced. Um, you know, I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a multi-pronged approach. It is, um, you know, it is
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  Speaker 2: a girl on Tik TOK who's a young woman on
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  Speaker 2: Tik TOK, who's talking about red flags and maybe planting seeds,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and it is, um, you know, domestic violence
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  Speaker 2: agencies providing services. It is, um, You know, unfortunately, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the approaches that we do use, I think,
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  Speaker 2: aren't very effective, like batter prevention programs. You know, there's
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  Speaker 2: just a high rate of recidivism. And I've even heard
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  Speaker 2: information about, like, restraining orders and protective orders sometimes can
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  Speaker 2: escalate the situation. You know, you would think. You know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes when a guy gets a restraining order put on him,
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  Speaker 2: that pushes him, and I'm not going to say pushes
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  Speaker 2: him over the edge because that's a decision we're making,
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  Speaker 2: but that escalates their behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Certainly having services for women. I think that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: people who know someone in their life who is experiencing
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  Speaker 2: domestic violence, just understanding that it can be very frustrating
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  Speaker 2: to try to help someone. It can be really actually
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  Speaker 2: even dangerous. I mean, there are helpers who are killed,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a woman staying at a friend's house and
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  Speaker 2: the guy goes in and kills everybody, you know. So
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  Speaker 2: that can be very dangerous, but also it can be
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  Speaker 2: very frustrating to try to help a woman and see
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  Speaker 2: her return to the abuser. And, you know, the kind
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  Speaker 2: of the advice that I give is just understand that
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  Speaker 2: you're planting a seed and that, um, yeah, you know, and,
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  Speaker 2: and you're making it so that when that woman finally
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  Speaker 2: really is ready that she's going to reach out for
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  Speaker 2: help again.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's so, I mean, that's so powerful
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  Speaker 1: you're saying because it's compassion with a boundary. It's like
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  Speaker 1: the sense of like, I will be here. I will
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  Speaker 1: always be here. How much I'm going to participate in
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  Speaker 1: enabling you right now is not something I'm willing to do.
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  Speaker 1: But I want you to know that I'm here for whatever,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when that crisis moment comes and just continuing
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  Speaker 1: to say the truth to that person.
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  Speaker 2: And being patient.
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  Speaker 1: Being as present as you can safely and honestly, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's different if the person pushes you away, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to talk to you anymore. There's nothing
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  Speaker 1: you can do about that. But making sure that there's
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  Speaker 1: that compassionate presence of being there when you know that
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  Speaker 1: time comes, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And you absolutely do.