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10/28/26: Israeli Election Results, Bolsonaro Flees Brazil To U.S., Dems Drop Trump Epstein Report · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: are going to start here with the Israeli elections. It
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  Speaker 3: does appear now that Prime Minister Netanyahu's party, Likud, did
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  Speaker 3: achieve the plurality in the Israeli election. However, the open
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  Speaker 3: question now is, will he be able to form a
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  Speaker 3: coalition government? That is very much in question as of
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  Speaker 3: right now. We've got our grass Noga from Israel, who
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  Speaker 3: will be joining us to break all of that down.
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  Speaker 3: There is, of course, also this situation going on in Brazil.
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  Speaker 3: Absolute madness where Flavio Bolsonaro had been ordered to have
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  Speaker 3: his passport seized. Then Brazilian authorities are trying to track
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  Speaker 3: him down. Various reports yesterday he was fleeing to Argentina
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  Speaker 3: and then to the United States. It now appears he's
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  Speaker 3: either on the ground or on his way here to
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  Speaker 3: the United States will be granted asylum, I guess, of
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  Speaker 3: some sorts. by the Trump administration. So that, of course,
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  Speaker 3: is crazy. Our friend Juan David Rojas is going to
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  Speaker 3: break that down. We've got Emily in particular, who did
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  Speaker 3: a massive deep dive on this new Democratic report that
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  Speaker 3: came out about Donald Trump and his connections to Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker 3: In particular, the major headline is they are saying if
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  Speaker 3: they win the House of Representatives, that they will be
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  Speaker 3: looking for a special prosecutor to examine that little preview
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  Speaker 3: a little bit later to talk about the UAE. New
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  Speaker 3: Dropsite report says that the UAE is actually helping the
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  Speaker 3: is the journalist with those new explosive allegations against Jared Kushner.
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  Speaker 3: an episode with a friend. But Em, let's get to Noga.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see her.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 3: Joining us now is Noga Tarnopolsky. She is an Israeli
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  Speaker 3: political analyst and, of course, a great friend of our show. Noga,
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  Speaker 3: thank you very much for joining us. We appreciate your time.
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  Speaker 4: My pleasure, as always.
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  Speaker 3: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: So let's go ahead and start with some of the
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  Speaker 3: results that we know right now. We can put these
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  Speaker 3: up here on the screen. As of the latest, with
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  Speaker 3: approximately 77 percent of the votes counted, the Likud party
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  Speaker 3: has got some 27 seats in. in the current projections. However,
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  Speaker 3: for our purposes, as I understand it, what matters the
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  Speaker 3: most is.
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  Speaker 2: About the bloc itself.
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  Speaker 3: The current bloc does not put Netanyahu in a 61-seat
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  Speaker 3: coalition majority. However, the opposition led by Eisenhower also has
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  Speaker 3: not achieved that. And there have been a significant showing
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  Speaker 3: by the Arab parties as well. Noga, can you break
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  Speaker 3: down for our American audience what this means going forward?
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  Speaker 3: Will Netanyahu be able to form a coalition government? Will
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  Speaker 3: Eisenkant potentially? And will any of this actually potentially break
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  Speaker 3: apart with some people saying that they wouldn't previously align
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  Speaker 3: themselves with the Arab parties?
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  Speaker 2: Will they continue to do so? I know it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit complicated.
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  Speaker 4: That's about 17 questions in one.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to frame it this way.
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  Speaker 6: I think the headline here should be how Netanyahu won
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  Speaker 6: by losing. OK, so that's the first bottom line of
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  Speaker 6: this election is that Netanyahu lost.
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  Speaker 4: He crashed and burned.
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  Speaker 6: He walked into Election Day with a 68, depending on
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  Speaker 6: how you count it, 64, 68 coalition. And if he's lucky,
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  Speaker 6: he's going to walk out of this Election Day with
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  Speaker 6: a 54. So it's a big loss for him. And
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  Speaker 6: it leaves him in a position in which he cannot
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  Speaker 6: form a new government.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't have leeway.
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  Speaker 6: Let's say he holds steady now at this block of 54.
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  Speaker 6: That 54 is a hard 54. He has no one
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  Speaker 6: else from the opposition block, from the non-aligned block, from
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  Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it, no one else who
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  Speaker 6: is going to reach out a hand and give him
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  Speaker 6: those extra mandates. Now, to form a government, you need
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  Speaker 6: a majority. It can either be a majority of 61
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  Speaker 6: out of the Knesset, or it can be a simple majority.
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  Speaker 6: The opposition can have 50 and you get 52. You
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  Speaker 6: can form what's called a minority government. Netanyahu does not
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  Speaker 6: have that possibility. And I think that this was reflected
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  Speaker 6: in his speech last night, which was, I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: dare say, maybe the most overtly racist speech statement I
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  Speaker 6: have heard him make as prime minister. He touted, I'm
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  Speaker 6: quoting this now, he touted having, and I quote, a
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  Speaker 6: Jewish majority, which is really a step further than even
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  Speaker 6: what we've seen. And he basically delivered an election speech.
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  Speaker 6: So Netanyahu, I think, believes that that he has succeeded
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  Speaker 6: not in winning, which he never could do, he just
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  Speaker 6: never had the numbers, but in preventing anybody else from
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  Speaker 6: being able to win. Now, why do I say that,
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  Speaker 6: given that the opponents to Netanyahu, the opposition, has, you know, 65, 66,
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  Speaker 6: 67 out of 120 seats, a clear majority. And that's
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  Speaker 6: because Netanyahu's success during this campaign. He may have realized
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  Speaker 6: before any of us did that he really had no
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  Speaker 6: way of winning, or maybe as the rest of us did,
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  Speaker 6: but we saw it more linearly. Netanyahu realized the only
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  Speaker 6: way he could win is by being able to hang
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  Speaker 6: on as acting prime minister and pushing for second elections
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  Speaker 6: in the hope that in a second round of elections,
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  Speaker 6: the left would the Arab voters, the liberal voters, the
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  Speaker 6: pro-democracy voters would be disheartened, and he would have a
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  Speaker 6: better chance at winning. And he may have succeeded at that,
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  Speaker 6: not just because of racism, although that's a big part
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  Speaker 6: of where we are right now, but because Eisenkot appears
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  Speaker 6: not to even be at an equal position with his
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  Speaker 6: bloc as the Netanyahu bloc, I still think that there's
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  Speaker 6: a chance of changing the Israeli government. There's 100% certainty
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  Speaker 6: of changing the Israeli parliament. The parliament has been voted in.
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  Speaker 6: It's a vast majority against Netanyahu. And that parliament, once
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  Speaker 6: it crosses some hurdles, Netanyahu will try and stop the
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  Speaker 6: parliament from forming. The Supreme Court will have to get involved.
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  Speaker 6: But once that parliament and a new parliament speaker, Knesset speaker,
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  Speaker 6: takes over, they can pass laws. For example, the opposition
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  Speaker 6: has promised to pass a law prohibiting any indicted criminal
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  Speaker 6: from running for office. That would eliminate Netanyahu from his plan,
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  Speaker 6: which is to run again. He's indicted. He's on trial.
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  Speaker 6: So we really are very much at a standstill. I think,
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  Speaker 6: to end this long explanation, I think that Eisenkot may
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  Speaker 6: still give it a shot.
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  Speaker 4: He may.
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  Speaker 6: Join up certainly with the most, I would say, kind
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  Speaker 6: of mainstream of these two parties. That's called Ra'am, actually
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  Speaker 6: a party, a very moderate party affiliated with the Muslim
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  Speaker 6: Brotherhood here in Israel. But it's the other party, the
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  Speaker 6: Joint List, that has had also just an astonishing, just impressive,
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  Speaker 6: inspiring success. And its leader, Yusuf Jabarin, he's the one
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  Speaker 6: who has spoken up already today. and said that he's
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  Speaker 6: in negotiations with the opposition and that they are, he said,
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  Speaker 6: ready and.
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  Speaker 4: Prepared to.
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  Speaker 6: Asphalt the way, to pave the way to get Netanyahu out.
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  Speaker 6: So the possibility exists, but right now I say odds
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  Speaker 6: on Netanyahu sticking around as an acting prime minister and
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  Speaker 6: pushing for a new round of elections.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I want to pick up on this anti-Arab messaging question.
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  Speaker 7: We have a few elements to run through here. There's
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  Speaker 7: a Haaretz headline, quote, emergency Netanyahu rails nonstop against alleged
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  Speaker 7: high Arab election turnout. Amit Siegel posted voters are complaining
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  Speaker 7: of messages that briefly took over their phone screens, reading, quote,
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  Speaker 7: last chance to prevent a left wing Arab government go
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  Speaker 7: out and vote. So, Noga, tell us more about how
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  Speaker 7: Likud and Netanyahu relied on this particular messaging as the
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  Speaker 7: election was happening yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: It's really a mind blowing thing. I don't think I'm
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  Speaker 6: exaggerating if I tell you that Netanyahu and his party
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  Speaker 6: posted more than 20 videos, posts, memes, whatever you want
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  Speaker 6: to call them, overtly racist. Now, Amit Sehgal, just for
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  Speaker 6: you to know, he's.
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  Speaker 4: Like a little Hannity.
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  Speaker 6: He's one of the whiny mouthpieces of the prime minister
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  Speaker 6: in the Israeli media space. He doesn't pretend. His official
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  Speaker 6: title He's a political analyst for one of the main
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  Speaker 6: channels here. But that shows you a little bit about
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  Speaker 6: how broken the public space and the political space is
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  Speaker 6: in this country. So take everything he posts with a
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  Speaker 6: grain of salt, but I can tell you and I
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  Speaker 6: can even show you if you'd like.
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  Speaker 4: Yesterday was astonishing.
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  Speaker 6: Those of us old enough to remember 11 years ago,
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  Speaker 6: this is what you have now on the screen is
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  Speaker 6: particularly astonishing to This photo is AI manipulated, having nothing
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  Speaker 6: to do with elections. This was proven by a good
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  Speaker 6: government group called Fake Reporter early in the morning, maybe midday.
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  Speaker 6: I remember quoting it in a report that I did
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  Speaker 6: maybe at midday-ish, two in the afternoon. It was known
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  Speaker 6: that this was fake. And Netanyahu continued reverberating this message.
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  Speaker 6: throughout the day, again and again, apparently somebody on his
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  Speaker 6: team thought this show, apparently showing, right, this fake image
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  Speaker 6: ostensibly showing veiled Muslim women coming in droves to vote.
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  Speaker 4: Now, anyone who.
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  Speaker 6: Knows Israel or knows Israeli Arab communities would know this
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  Speaker 6: is a cheap fake because people here tend to vote
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  Speaker 6: in families, Arabs and Jews, mother, father, kids, Grandpa, grandma, kids,
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  Speaker 6: no one, there's no sex segregation in voting. That clearly,
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  Speaker 6: if it even existed, was a religious event. Nonetheless, even
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  Speaker 6: after being shown, having it been proved that this was AI,
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  Speaker 6: the Likud and Netanyahu personally kept posting this and reposting it.
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  Speaker 6: They thought it was effective. It may have been, I
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  Speaker 6: don't really know. I don't yet have all of these
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  Speaker 6: like behind the scenes stacks on who voted and when.
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  Speaker 6: And also very important to state, The full numbers are
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  Speaker 6: not yet counted. I don't think we're going to have
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  Speaker 6: complete numbers, at least for a full other day. Even
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  Speaker 6: that 77% of votes counted that you showed lacks a
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  Speaker 6: whole other chunk of voters. There's about 10% this year
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  Speaker 6: of voters who are voting from temporary voting places. Those
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  Speaker 6: votes are going to be counted later. So things could change.
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  Speaker 6: I don't expect a sea change. There could be enough
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  Speaker 6: of a change that it would give Eisenkot the kind
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  Speaker 6: of boost he needs to feel that he would have
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  Speaker 6: public legitimacy to, in fact, join forces with one or
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  Speaker 6: two of these Arab majority parties and form a coalition.
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  Speaker 6: But I think if he stays uncontrovertibly behind Netanyahu's bloc
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  Speaker 6: and the bloc that he leads, it's a bloc right
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  Speaker 6: now filled with kind of a circular shooting squad, a
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  Speaker 6: lot of recriminations inside it. I don't think he will
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  Speaker 6: feel that he has the legitimacy to take a brave step,
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  Speaker 6: which ironically is the step that a majority of his
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  Speaker 6: voters are asking for.
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  Speaker 4: A clear majority of.
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  Speaker 6: Aysen Kot bloc voters want them to join forces with
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  Speaker 6: these Arab majority parties.
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  Speaker 3: Noga, one of the interesting things, I guess, you know,
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  Speaker 3: from our perspective, of course, we're based in the United States,
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  Speaker 3: is we've seen Netanyahu as the ultimate survivor. And so
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  Speaker 3: what you're laying out here is a scenario where he
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  Speaker 3: remains the interim prime minister while all these parliamentary and
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  Speaker 3: legal machinations happen. Meanwhile, while he has the authority as
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  Speaker 3: prime minister. He can continue to push what we know
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  Speaker 3: here in the United States, which is a new round
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  Speaker 3: of war with Iran. Could you talk a little bit
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  Speaker 3: about how he may try to use this interim period
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  Speaker 3: to reignite hostilities with Iran? And then what effect that
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  Speaker 3: would have on your potential to even hold new elections
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  Speaker 3: and potentially even try to swing the vote, which I
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  Speaker 3: know he tried desperately to do ahead of this round
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  Speaker 3: of elections?
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I was about to say.
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  Speaker 6: It's no secret that he's trying to ignite a new
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  Speaker 6: round of fighting with Iran. As far as I could tell,
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  Speaker 6: he tried to do it both unilaterally, just Israel, and
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  Speaker 6: has been basically blocked by his military chiefs. That in
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  Speaker 6: and of itself is a remarkable moment, which we really
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  Speaker 6: would be focusing on if everything else weren't happening all around.
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  Speaker 6: He clearly is trying to push Trump, who I'm not
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  Speaker 6: sure needs much pushing. into another round with Iran. We
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  Speaker 6: heard both of them speak last night. Netanyahu's kind of
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  Speaker 6: strange 3 a.m. rah-rah post-electoral speech spoke as much about
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  Speaker 6: the horrible media, the traitor media and the Arabs, as
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  Speaker 6: it did about Iran and his partnership with Trump. I
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  Speaker 6: don't know where Trump will be on this. Trump has
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  Speaker 6: proven himself to be fickle on this issue. The United
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  Speaker 6: States did issue a warning yesterday to Gulf states that initially,
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  Speaker 6: at least, I took quite seriously. And I thought, wow,
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  Speaker 6: they would not be warning all of their allies in
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  Speaker 6: the Gulf, Bahrain, the UAE, Saudi, to watch out and
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  Speaker 6: to expect what the Wall Street Journal reported as a
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  Speaker 6: short but intense round of fighting if they didn't have
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  Speaker 6: something in mind. But then a colleague reminded me they've
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  Speaker 6: been doing this for a few weeks now. So I
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  Speaker 6: don't know. But from the Netanyahu point of view, on
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  Speaker 6: the one hand, one of the things you said I
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  Speaker 6: would want to modify, Netanyahu as acting prime minister does
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  Speaker 6: not have the same powers vested in him as he
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  Speaker 6: does as fully-blown prime minister. And I think that explains
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  Speaker 6: a remarkable moment in Gadi Eisenkot's speech last night, which
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  Speaker 6: was at about 1 a.m., when he still thought his
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  Speaker 6: block was larger than Netanyahu's, part of his speech was
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: a direct warning to the military chiefs. He said, I
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  Speaker 6: know the kind of pressures you're under. You have to
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  Speaker 6: remember that you serve the people of Israel and not
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  Speaker 6: the outgoing prime minister, and you will have my full
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  Speaker 6: backing to make all the legal decisions you must.
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  Speaker 4: That was quite a moment.
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  Speaker 6: In what was otherwise a sort of thank you and
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  Speaker 6: now on to the White House kind of a speech.
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  Speaker 6: So there's very much something going on in the background,
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  Speaker 6: and I'm not sure how in the background it is again.
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  Speaker 6: We have seen it in the front pages. Netanyahu wants
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  Speaker 6: another war. I would say, unrelated to whatever Trump may do,
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  Speaker 6: Netanyahu would also like to expand Israeli activities in Gaza,
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  Speaker 6: whether that means giving free hand to some of his
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  Speaker 6: ministers who literally want to settle Gaza, whether that means
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  Speaker 6: continuing to block Trump's board of peace plan to try
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  Speaker 6: and reconstruct Gaza. With this current situation as I'm reading
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  Speaker 6: it and Netanyahu remaining as acting prime minister for at
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  Speaker 6: least a few more months, I think that it presages
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  Speaker 6: a very, very bad panorama for the West Bank.
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  Speaker 4: Because if he is.
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  Speaker 6: Limited in his legislative and military powers as acting prime minister,
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  Speaker 6: He's not limited in that he can just give a
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  Speaker 6: free reign to his own brand of crazies who are
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  Speaker 6: perpetrating a kind of violent anarchy in the West Bank.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't see that changing right now anytime soon.
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  Speaker 2: And you're there, Noga.
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  Speaker 7: So just to go back to what you alluded to,
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  Speaker 7: Barak Ravid posted on X in a speech to his supporters,
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  Speaker 7: Netanyahu claimed victory. He didn't mention the opposition of forming
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: a unity government with Eisencutt, but rather called for forming, quote,
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  Speaker 7: a strong Jewish right wing national government. Can you talk
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  Speaker 7: to us a bit about how this is playing out
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  Speaker 7: on the ground? Like, what is the mood in Israel
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  Speaker 7: right now? Obviously, a very divided country. But how are
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  Speaker 7: people reacting just in the last 24 hours to everything
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  Speaker 7: that's transpired?
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  Speaker 4: Well, tragically.
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  Speaker 6: the people who voted for the opposition are very depressed,
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  Speaker 6: very disheartened, and really feel a sense of a lost opportunity.
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  Speaker 6: And that's the side that has won somewhere between 65
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: and 70 seats out of this Knesset. But again, it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: because we're going back to this, I think, realpolitik point,
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: which is that if Eisenkot, if his bloc really does
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: have substantially less even two, three seats less in the
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Knesset than the Likud bloc, it's hard to imagine them
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: taking what is now a bold step in Israel, and
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: it's simply joining with another party that has enough votes
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: to make a coalition, but it's an Arab-majority party. This
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: is Netanyahu's great success in his four-year term. He has
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: made racism a completely common currency. In 2018, ran what
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: was at that point a shockingly base election, and it
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: was against the then-Labor Party leader Isaac Herzog, who today
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: is president of the state. And he seemed to burst
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: through all of the taboos and laws. On election day itself,
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: he posted a video on Facebook in which he exhorted
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: his voters, go out and vote. The Arabs are being
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: bussed in to vote in droves. At that time, the
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: fact that he broke the law to post an electioneering
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: video on election day, which is illegal, was then and
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: is now illegal, became a scandal. And the fact that
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: he used overt racist tropes, the Arabs are coming to
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: vote in droves, the leftists are driving them in buses,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: whatever it was, he said, this became a scandal lasting years.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: And his party was fined. And, you know, the fines
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: here are ridiculously low.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: I think his party was fined something, a few thousand
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: dollars or something for breaking the law. Yesterday on an
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: election day, 11 years later, they were posting more than
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: a video an hour. This breaks the same laws as
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: it did 11 years ago. These were so racist and
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: also so lunatic that they made what he said 11
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: years ago kind of look like a kindergarten teacher. That's
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: how bad things have gotten. And it's gotten that bad
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: basically during this term. You know, we hear astonishing things.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: Netanyahu's diaspora affairs minister, Shikli, who is a friend of
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: European neo-Nazis, talks about how we're not going to let
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: the terrorists anywhere near the government. This is a guy
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: who sits around a cabinet table with Itamar Benvir, who
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: was convicted 13 times of hate crimes and terror. The
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: first actual convicted terrorist to ever sit in an Israeli government.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: So we really are very much in loony land. I think,
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: you know, I'm speaking very bluntly right now with you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: I think we do have to wait a few days
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: to see how things pan out. And it could still
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: go in different directions. But right now, it really does
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: appear that Netanyahu has lived to fight another day, probably
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: a few more months. I don't think he has any
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: way to form a government. And I don't think he
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: does from what he said last night. But he can
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: just wake up tomorrow and still be prime minister.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: For a little while longer.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: Or maybe a lot longer if this election leaves the
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: majority of Israelis feeling so crushed that they don't have
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: it in them to themselves fight another election like this. Both,
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: I'm speaking among the Jewish majority and among the Arab,
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: both Muslim and Christian minorities, it may be hard to
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: pull people out of a funk.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that really was my takeaway. I was
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: really shocked, you know, watching from afar.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I've spent time in your country, you know, probably 10,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: 12 years ago. And for me to watch the centrists
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, well, we'll never align with the Arabs.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wow.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's not really something I would have heard
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: long ago. And we're talking about the opposition here. To Netanyahu.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: But you're saying that the voters themselves wouldn't or at
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: least for the opposition bloc would actually be OK with that.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: Could you break just.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: OK, go ahead.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: I didn't speak well or something. OK, the clear majority
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: in every single poll, including a poll published yesterday. Last
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: night by the Accord Center, I recommend you look it up,
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: which is the Hebrew University kind of stats guys. They
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: posted a poll after speaking. They did their own exit
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: polling of people who had just voted after 9 p.m.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: So in every single poll, a clear and solid majority
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: of opposition voters want the opposition bloc parties to include
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: among them the Arab parties. They want to govern with
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: their fellow Arab citizens. By the way, even among Netanyahu voters, interestingly,
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: the last time I checked this, it was somewhere like 45%
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: of the Netanyahu voters thought it was fine for Arabs
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: to be in government or an Arab party to be
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: in government. This is the taboo, this kind of racist
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: delegitimization of Arab-identified parties. and the Arab voting public, this
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: very much comes from this complete break in Israeli society
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: between the leadership and the people. So the ministers, the
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: leaders of parties of this right-wing nationalist extreme who are
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: in Netanyahu's government, they have made it a commonplace way
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: to speak to say that Arabs are delegitimized. The Smotriches,
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: the Benviers, the Minister Levins, the Minister Regevs, there's a
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: whole bunch of them. It's not reflected in the people,
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: but the people may be too exhausted to fight this
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: one again.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: Got it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Well, Noga, we appreciate your analysis very much. And of course,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: we'll keep up with it as the days progress. Thank
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: you for your time.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: We appreciate you.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: You caught me on almost no sleeve. So very raw
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: this time.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: No, you were fantastic. You were really good. Thanks.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: And great to meet you.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Nice to see you again, Emily.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Take care.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Joining us now is our great friend Juan David Rojas,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: columnist over at Unheard. He was recently in Brazil. He's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: going to break down this craziness for us. Good to
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: see you, man. Juan, what the hell's going on? Let's
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: put B1 up here. On the screen, Simon Levy says,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I can confirm Flavio Bolsonaro is no longer in Brazil.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: and is on his way to the United States, a U.S.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: protective operation is underway to ensure his safety. So, Juan,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: why is Flavio Bolsonaro on his way here? Why does
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: his safety need to be insured after he lost this
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: election in Brazil?
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: And why is Simon Levy tweeting about this? He's Mexican,
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: like American anyway.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: It seems like the CIA extracted Flavio Bolsonaro from Brazil
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: after Sunday's result within hours of his defeat to Lula
• 26:24
  Speaker 8: on Sunday. Justice Alexandre de Moraes is an extremely controversial,
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: horrific figure, in my opinion, in Brazil, like already was
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: asking him to turn in his passport. And Flavio reported that. consequently,
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: it seems, and Rubio stated something to this effect, yeah,
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: that they helped extract him. It looks like he crossed
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: the land border with Argentina and then flew over to
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: Ecuador and now is in Miami, or at least got
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: to Miami yesterday. The Trump administration, yeah, Rubio already said
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: that him and his family are going to be given
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: asylum and have been given visas, so This is to
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: give you an idea. There's so much to go in
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: here with this like judicial persecution. Flavio himself does. He
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: is a very shady figure. Like there is some legitimacy
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: to some of the investigations against them.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can talk about it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: Well, let's let's stay on this Trump point, because Sagar
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: rightfully flagged this clip of Donald Trump being asked about
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: what happened just yesterday.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Take a listen.
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: Just one more thing on Brazil.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Do you want to do something about the election?
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: Well, I'm not running Brazil.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I'm running the USA. I just thought that the election was.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I like Lula.
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: I get along with him very well.
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: I just think it had a very bad look, the election,
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: the way it was tabulated.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You have a response? The extension given was very strange.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: Okay, Juan, so on that point, what do you make
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: of this? You've covered the Trump administration, obviously, and their
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: approach to Brazil. He sounds like he's not the one
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: running the show, obviously. I don't think it would surprise
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: anybody to imagine it's purely coming through Marco Rubio at
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: this point.
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: Three notable things. First, the Trump administration, I said this
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: on Monday, did not formally endorse Flavio Bolsonaro. Very, very curious.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: Maybe they thought, you know, obviously, like he had tacit
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: backing and like Flavio went to the White House, et cetera.
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: But maybe they thought that if they endorsed him, it
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: would have actually have helped Lula in the runoff. Who knows? Second, well,
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: sort of to that effect, you know, just personal relations,
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: Trump does actually sort of seem to like Lula. Trump
• 28:43
  Speaker 8: likes winners. So, you know, regardless, even if he thought
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: there were irregularities. And third, yeah, regarding the irregularities, yes,
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: you know, they extended the voting by two hours. It
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: was the first time it was done in history. It
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: was an extremely questionable decision. That said, did it affect
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: the results? Almost certainly not. The amount of people, Sagar
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: said this yesterday, that voted after 5 p.m. when polls
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: closed and then were reopened was only around like 30,000
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: people and Lula won by like 4 million.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: OK, so let's talk about the Brazil aspect itself. Let's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: put what is it before up here on the screen.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: So this is Flavio may have put his name on
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: a decoy flight from Brazil to the U.S. in reality,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: slipping into Argentina. from where he may now be en
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: route to the United States. Put B5 up next, guys.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: This was something that you referenced, where Flavio was ordered
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: to hand over his passport in a money laundering inquiry. Now,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: as I understand it, and you have flagged this multiple times, Juan,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: is that the issue of the Supreme Court itself has
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: been a problem in Brazilian society now for years. So
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: break down this controversial figure the role of the Supreme Court,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: kind of their quasi-status in Brazilian society, their overt politicization
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: that eventually led to this?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Where to begin?
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: So a friend of mine made a good point in
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: referring to the Supreme Court in Brazil. He called it
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: like the moderating power in the country, which if you
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: know anything about Brazilian history, that's how the emperor was
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: referred to in the 19th century. Brazil used to have
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: an emperor. And so the emperor was actually pretty powerful.
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: But it was still a parliamentary system. It wasn't an
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: absolute monarchy. And the emperor tried to restrain himself in
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: dealing with the parliament and whatever. But whenever they couldn't
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: make a decision or he just thought something was too objectionable,
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: he would get involved. Basically, the Supreme Court is something
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: like that. I would say far worse. In Brazil, a
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: single justice, it's not even just at the Supreme Court,
• 30:53
  Speaker 8: like the federal justices, they can they are judge, jury,
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: and executioner. They can investigate crimes, rule on them, send
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: police to enforce the decisions. And you have these insane
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: monochromatic decisions where a single justice can do what Cristiano
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: Zanin did on Sunday to just extend voting by himself.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: You don't need a majority on the court. I guess
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: there's some equivalence here, right, in the U.S., but this
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: has really gotten out of control. I mean, to give
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: an idea, try to be as fair to both sides ideologically,
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: Lula himself was put in prison for allegedly accepting an
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: apartment he neither lived in, had a deed for, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: ultimately went unoccupied by a single judge who, again, same thing,
• 31:39
  Speaker 8: was judge, jury, and executioner in his case. Later, the
• 31:43
  Speaker 8: Supreme Court, well, first the Supreme Court affirmed the decision
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: to not let him run in 2018, giving the presidency
• 31:50
  Speaker 8: to Bolsonaro and And then when they got scared that
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: Bolsonaro would turn into a dictator, they got him out
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: of prison to run against them. And so really, in
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: recent years, they've really turned on Bolsonaroismo. And look, me personally,
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: you can talk to Bolsonaroistas about that. It's very similar
• 32:08
  Speaker 8: with Trump in January 6th. I personally think that Bolsonaro Sr.
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: did try to lead some kind of coup attempt. There
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: were apparently lots of different plots. But the main thing
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: was that the heads of the armed forces testified. that
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: he asked them to do a military coup. And one
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: of them, one of the three, apparently, was willing to
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: go along with it. So, to me, that's very serious.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: At the same time, like, the court, in order to
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: defend democracy, has, like, jailed people without trial. Basically, like,
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: there was one case where, like, someone, like, threatened them, like,
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: on social media. And they literally, like, sent officers to, like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: their house to arrest them.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: So.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: Again, Bolsonaroismo, I think, is unhinged, but that doesn't give
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: the court a right to trample over democracy in order
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: to try to save democracy.
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, Juan, I wanted to ask you about this
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: post from Glenn Greenwald, obviously based in Brazil. For those
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: who decided to invent some bizarre new authoritarian law and
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: order rule today to justify Morais' ban on Bolsonaro leaving
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: the country, Glenn writes that if you're under investigation without
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: even being charged, it's normal to have your passport seized.
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: Please note, Lula's son is engulfed in several major financial scandals.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: And then he goes on to say countless rich and
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: powerful people in Brazil, including Lula's allies, are are under
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: investigation yet freely leave the country when they want, jetting
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: off to Dubai, France, wherever. Truly bizarre how some on
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: the left start fabricating extremist police powers when it suits them. Now, Juan,
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: if you could also tell us a bit about how
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: you think that take, that argument from Glenn and others
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: is playing on the Brazilian left and among the sort
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: of Bolsonaro contingent. Because I bet there are people on
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: the right in Brazil who don't like that he fled.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: So can you help us understand like the politics of
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: this and how it might be playing out on the
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: left and the right?
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: So, Glenn, Glenn has pissed off a lot of people
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: left of center recently on the election in Brazil. I
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: think he's kind of gone too far because like Bolsonaro, like,
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: for example, the the top electoral court is was during
• 34:17
  Speaker 8: the election was run by this Bolsonaro ally who was
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: clearly favoring Flavio. He was like favorite. boosting his stuff
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: on social media and, like, taking down Lula's stuff. So,
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: you know, I think that whoever would have won eventually, like, well,
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: you know, it's exactly like we've seen in the U.S. Like,
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: look at free speech MAGA. Whoever would have won, they
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: eventually would have adopted this stuff. But so, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: we do need to, like, look at this stuff on
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: principle and say, no, look, like, censorship is wrong regardless, like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: of who's doing it. As far as Flavio is concerned, yeah,
• 34:49
  Speaker 8: the politics, he did say that he wouldn't do this.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And then he did it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: So that's not a good look. On the other hand,
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: you know, on the right, they're just saying that this
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: is persecution. And look, I said this before, like he
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: does have a lot of serious investigations against him. He
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: has a lot of a long background of disturbing ties
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: to what are called the milicias in Rio, which are
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: kind of these right wing paramilitary groups. Actually, years ago,
• 35:18
  Speaker 8: the Supreme Court dropped one of those investigations against him,
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: I think, in order to try to ingratiate themselves with
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: his father when he was in office.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Got it. Last question. Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: My last thing, Juan, is more about the U.S. factor here, where,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: you know, in some cases, this is kind of a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: humiliating defeat for the United States, which has attempted many
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: times successfully, I will add, to swing elections in Latin America.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: The whole Don Roe doctrine, right, is we colonize Venezuela.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: What did Rubio say the other day?
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: He's like Cuba, you're on notice.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: You're on notice.
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: And remember all the memes before the runoff, in between
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: the runoff about how USAID had been crippled and this
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: was allowing for freedom and liberalism to flourish.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: In Latin America.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Right. So in that context, like how do you see
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: this in terms of the Donro doctrine? I guess, if
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: you will, we're one of the most largest democracies in
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Latin America, unambiguously, probably what? Maybe the greatest power outside
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: of I can't even think of really another one. Praline
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: flagrantly flouts the United States and forces their friendly leader
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: to flee the country like a rat. you know, the
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: moment the guy even gets indicted. I mean, look, say
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: what you will about Lula. He stood in prison. He
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: literally fled the country like a dog. I mean, Lula,
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: you know, indicted on some bullshit charge. He at least
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: went to prison, fought for his people. You know, I mean,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: this is not a good look, I think, for Flavio
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: and for the United States and its power in the region, Juan.
• 36:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely right. I mean, if you look
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: at polls across the region, especially since Trump has come
• 36:51
  Speaker 8: back into office, both his personal approval And attitudes towards
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: the United States have really gone under since 2025. And
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: in Brasilia, I think it's something like almost 60% have
• 37:04
  Speaker 8: a negative view of Trump right now. And this is
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: the case in other countries, including, you know, it's a
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: bit better in like Colombia, for example. But a lot
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: of these right-wingers that are really close to Trump, they
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: went in spite of their ties to Trump, in many cases,
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: not because of them. In Brazil, I still think, and yeah,
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: a lot of people left of center have gotten mad
• 37:30
  Speaker 8: at me for saying this. I think they should have,
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: I think I shouldn't be doing this, especially immediately after
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: winning the election. They should have had at least some
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: restraint with the opposition. I mean, they still won tons
• 37:46
  Speaker 8: of votes. They dominated in the Congress. I said this
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: on Sunday. Both candidates ran on a platform. of reforming
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: the Supreme Court. And there was this huge scandal before.
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: The other thing, Moraes was, he received like $ 50 million
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: from this corrupt evangelical banker who also was like, had
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: these like ties to multiple other people on the court
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: related to both sides, Bolsonaro, Rizmo, and Lula. And so
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: this turned into like a Game of Thrones where they
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: were like, each side was like trying to protect each other.
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: Lula-friendly justices were protecting Moraes. And yeah, it completely destroyed
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: the narrative, though. Look at Moraes defending democracy. The court,
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: if it's not reformed, this is going to turn into
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: a powder keg. It already is. Lula's fourth term is
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: going to be really rough. If he doesn't deliver on
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: this problem, I foresee serious problems in the future.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: I have one more question, Juan, which is, you were
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: in Brazil as the election was playing out, were you
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: surprised to see the runoff go in a direction people
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: didn't expect it to?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: What was the mood? What were you hearing from voters?
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I said this on Monday. I thought that Flavio
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: would win, but I thought that he would win based
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: on the polls. In fairness, and I was struck by
• 39:08
  Speaker 8: this while being over there, I thought to myself, Wow, dude,
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: Lula really has a lot of support on the streets.
• 39:14
  Speaker 8: There were these insane, absurd demonstrations. He was campaigning all
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: over the country at 80 years old, much to his credit.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: But I thought, oh, you know, this must be like
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: a silent majority in favor of Flavio. And again, like, look,
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: his party, the PL, got... the best result of any
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: single party in the Congress since the 80s, basically since redemocratization.
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: So Lula's victory is very ferocious. But yeah, on the
• 39:40
  Speaker 8: other hand, what he did in the runoff was really impressive,
• 39:43
  Speaker 8: was really driving out turnout among people who abstained in
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: the first round, who also got scared that, oh, dude,
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: Bolsonaro is going to win. You know, last thing I'll
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: say about this, there's been so much back-slapping, rightfully so,
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: from progressives. It's like, oh, look, Lula can win, and
• 40:03
  Speaker 8: progressivism is great. Lula, during the campaign also, he ran
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: away from a lot of the bad parts of progressivism
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: on crime, on energy, And, you know, there's one debate
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: where he was saying, I'm the one like paving this
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: road in the Amazon. Well, that's something that a lot
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: of people in his coalition and like foreign NGOs have
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: like screamed about. Oh, my God, that will lead to deforestation.
• 40:26
  Speaker 8: So anyway, he's also pumping large amounts of oil. These
• 40:30
  Speaker 8: are all things that are going to get memory hold.
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: It's really important to learn the right lessons from a
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: lot of this stuff. His victory is incredible, but it
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: is fear in many ways.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Great points, Juan.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: As always, we appreciate not only your analysis, but your
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: willingness to actually go to these places and tell us
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: a little about what's going on. We will see you
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: next time we have a Latin American story to cover.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: See you, man. Thank you.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: Well, Democrats are now calling for a special counsel to
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: be appointed to look into Donald Trump's ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: This comes on the heels of Democrats in the House
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: releasing a large report this week detailing allegations about Donald Trump, women,
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: and Epstein. And I think that's an important way to
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: look at this document that was just released. rehashing some
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: allegations that happen in the public. It does add new
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: allegations to pre-existing allegations, but it's really what it's doing
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: is repackaging some of these allegations specifically through the lens
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: of proximity to Epstein, if that makes sense.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And what we wanted to do here.
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: is go deep into the report as best we could.
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: It is a long report, but we want to bring
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: you as many details as possible because, as we just mentioned,
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: Democrats are now calling for a special counsel to, as
• 41:43
  Speaker 7: the New York Times put it, quote, scrutinize Trump ties
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: to Epstein. And first of all, Ryan, let's just start
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: by saying we don't necessarily need a report or special
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: counsel for us to understand that Donald Trump has has
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: a deep relationship going back years, that is to say,
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: in terms of longevity, had a deep relationship with Jeffrey
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: Epstein going back to at least the late 1980s and
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: early 1990s. And so some of this may not seem
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: new to people. But again, we've covered this here many times.
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: Their connections go back many years. And Ryan, you at
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: Dropsite have covered that for a long time as well.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: You might not need a special counsel, but it'd be
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: smart to have one. And here's my free advice to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: any Democrat or Republican running for president in 2028. Promise
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to appoint a special counsel and promise to make it
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Thomas Massey. I don't even think he's a lawyer, but
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: have him run the office. Because then, Democrat or Republican,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: you know you have somebody there who is going to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: follow the leads where they go, particularly if you're a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Democrat at that would show an enormous amount of confidence
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: to say, look, don't care about party. Don't care where
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: this goes. Whatever Thomas Massey and his team, well-funded team finds,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: we're prosecuting. So anyway, there you go. Free advice.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: No, I think they'll have a very good.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: Case for assembling a special counsel if they get the
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: ability to do it. And so let's dig into the
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: report first. It says, quote, a growing body of evidence
• 43:07
  Speaker 7: demonstrates that Donald Trump was an active participant Jeffrey Epstein's
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: sexual abuse of young women during the mid to late 1990s. Now,
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: that is really the crux of the theory that Democrats
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: are trying to build out with this report, that Trump
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: was an active participant in Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse of
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: young women. So they have to do a lot, I think,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: to tie Trump specifically to the Epstein ring. But what
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: you're going to see in this report is obviously a
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: lot of similar characters in similar locations, if that makes sense.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, for example, we already had Virginia Jafray many
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: years ago saying that she was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: at Mar-a-Lago. So that allegation has been public for a while.
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: But you're going to see things where basically Epstein and
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: Trump are orbiting each other during those years. The report
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: goes on to say the Department of Justice and the
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: FBI are doing everything they can to keep the American
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: people in the dark about it. So that's another chunk
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: of the allegations in this report is going into what
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: they say. are shady dismissals or, let's say, attempts to
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: ignore certain evidence by the Trump DOJ. That's another chunk
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: of what is in this report, in addition to some allegations.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: They write, the actual evidence we have seen, as shared
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: in the accounts and stories of 11 women each described below,
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: indicates that Trump abused, assaulted, and even raped numerous women
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: alongside and in coordination with the most infamous sex trafficker
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: in history. So, These 11 stories vary wildly in the
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: severity of the allegations. For example, one of them is
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: that Trump made a comment about a 14-year-old. We'll get
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: into this in just a moment. Basically, Epstein said to Trump,
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: that's a good one, huh? And Trump said, yes, this
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: is a 14-year-old, allegedly. There are some allegations of rape.
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: There are some allegations that he was basically serving as
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: a sugar daddy to a 21-year-old.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and get into the allegations. We'll
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: start with.
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: Beatrice Kuhl, who added to her prior allegation against Donald
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: Trump and is now accusing him not just of groping her,
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: but actually of rape. That is what's new in the report.
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: It's probably the biggest thing that's new in the report.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: So this is a young Swiss model and her allegation
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: is from 1993 at the Donald J. Trump American Dream pageant.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: That was for 16 to 22 year olds, according to
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: the report in Atlantic City in New York. The Dem
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: report says during their at least 15-minute introductory conversation, Trump
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: promised Kuehl that he would arrange a visa for her,
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: stating that Paolo, a reference to Paolo Zampolli, would, quote,
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: take care of that. Trump further stated that he personally
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: would ensure her acceptance into New York University, and he
• 45:37
  Speaker 7: repeatedly offered to take care of her and arrange her travel, insisting, quote,
• 45:43
  Speaker 7: either I will take care of you or when she
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: said she could handle her own visa, quote, No, no.
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: My friend Paolo will take care of that. Paolo was
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: just fired. Ryan, I think you followed this from the
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: State Department because of the spat with Kimberly Guilfoyle.
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Dispute there.
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: The fact that Paolo has been an envoy to the
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Trump administration, given all of his connections to ancillary connections
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: and tangential connections and perhaps more than that to all
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: of these different sex traffickers who are involved in the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: fashion industry is just kind of just shocking in general.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: That in this era, I'd be like, you know, that's fine. Well,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: this this guy's fine. But does the report get into
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: why she expanded her allegation?
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: It doesn't yet, and I'm sure we'll hear more from
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: her in the days to come. But yes, I mean,
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: part of. The problem that she's going to face is
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: that this was originally an allegation that was made really
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: shortly before the 2024 election. So if there's a special
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: counsel assembled, you're definitely going to hear about that. She
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: also says after Trump stepped away from that conversation, Epstein
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: immediately approached her saying, quote, I'm Jeffrey, Don's best friend.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I scoured yesterday.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: Gmail and all of that to try to find a
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: record of Epstein's referring to Trump as Don. He does
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: usually call him Trump or Donald. But anyway, nonetheless, she
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: goes on to say Epstein also made similar promises as
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: Trump and asked Kuehl to attend a party at Mar-a-Lago
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: in the coming months, saying, quote, you know I can
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: take care of you. We organize many parties with Don.
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: Don again. Epstein, like Trump, Dempsey, stated that all her
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: needs would be met. Flights, accommodations, you don't have to
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: worry about anything. Then, apparently, Kuehl gets invited upstairs at
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: the Plaza Hotel.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Goes to the room.
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: Trump, quote, ushered her into the suite, where upon entering,
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: Trump reportedly grabbed Kuehl from behind and forcibly raped her,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: in the process tearing her dress and causing bleeding and
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: bruising on multiple parts of her body.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Kuehl described the rape as, quote, brutal.
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: Following the assault, according to Kuehl's report, Trump sat her
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: on the edge of the bed, repeated his promises to
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: arrange for a visa and NYU admission, and made her
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: promise she would keep quiet, saying, quote, the show must
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: go on. Now, this is, according to Dems, substantiated by
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: another woman who's among the, uh, people listed in the
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: report named Jill Hearth, who also had a complaint. We'll
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: get into this as well from 1987. that detailed how
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: Trump called, quote, several models for four years after the
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: calendar competition to offer them positions and or career advancement
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: in return for sexual favors, much the way he repeated
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: his offer of a visa and NYU admission to Kuhl
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: months after the competition.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: That is really important. The NYU bit of it is
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: really important.
• 48:20
  Speaker 7: And House Democrats say that Kuhl would have had little
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: way of knowing that Epstein had this NYU pattern. But
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: when she reported Trump's similarly manipulative promise back in twenty
• 48:29
  Speaker 7: twenty four, Dems say that was months before any public
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: report of the connection between NYU and Epstein survivors had surfaced. Now,
• 48:37
  Speaker 7: as I mentioned, I was going through a lot of
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: this stuff yesterday trying to confirm, verify.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: That is false.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: James Patterson's book, Filthy Rich, does advance the NYU-Epstein connection.
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: It's actually pretty early in the book that was written
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: in 2017, Filthy Rich. And that is one of the most,
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: I would say, widely read books on Jeffrey Epstein or
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: pieces of investigation on Jeffrey Epstein.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: So people can take that for what they will.
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: I think that's just a big error that Dem staffers
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: made to make that claim.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: 2017, they were in middle school then.
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that would have been out there already. But now, again,
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: remember with Paolo Zampolli, this is the New York Times recently,
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: who said Ongaro was a 17-year-old, this is a woman
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: who made accusations against him, who flew to New York
• 49:20
  Speaker 7: on Epstein's plane from Paris with her French agent the
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: year she met Zampolli, then 32 at a Manhattan nightclub.
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: In 2004, Zampolli and Epstein teamed up in an unsuccessful
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: bid to buy elite modeling management. Despite this, Zampolli has
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: long maintained he was not close with Epstein. He was
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: known as the man who helped introduce Donald J. Trump
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: to Melania Maas. So, Zampoli has said that Epstein was
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: hanging around his modeling firm that was totally normal back
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: in the 90s or early aughts.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I think it must have been the 90s.
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: But Zampoli being in the Trump administration, to your point, Ryan,
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: is obviously going to supply Democrats with fodder to hear
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: these sorts of allegations. We should mention also in that
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: 1990 biography of Donald Trump that was written, Ivana Trump
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: did say that Donald Trump got violent with her and
• 50:04
  Speaker 7: she used the.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Word rape at the time.
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: She described the rape.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: And then she walked it back so much so that
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: they had to put a note at the front of
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: the book. But she said basically that she meant it
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: was mental rape, not legal or criminal. So, again, people
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: can take that for.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: What it is. What she originally described was physical and
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: legal and very similar to what the Swiss or Swedish.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: Swiss.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: So, yes, Trump is describing. And this was in a
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: sworn statement.
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: Trump apparently took a handful of her hair, according to Ivana,
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: and then forced himself on her sexually, according to the
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: biographer at the time. And Ivana, again, walked that back.
• 50:48
  Speaker 7: But that is one allegation of violence regarding Trump. There's
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: another woman in the report named Stacey Williams. She was
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: a 25-year-old who does accuse Trump of groping her during
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: a visit to Trump Tower in 1993, according to the
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: Dems report. In her words, quote, his hands were all
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: over me. They were on my breasts. They were on
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: my butt. They were on, you know, my hips and
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: up and down. CNN interviewed three women who confirmed that
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: Williams informed them about the incident with Trump and Epstein
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: in 2006, in 2015 and 2018, respectively. Let's also note
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: the White House has denied all of these allegations are true.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: They literally their statement was, quote, none of these allegations
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: are true.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Let's move on now.
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: To Jill Harth, who was 31 years old at the
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: time of these allegations. Jill Hearth is another interesting case.
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: She was offering to help the Trump campaign in 2016.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: She went to a rally. She accused him, rather famously now,
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: of attempted rape in a 1997 lawsuit. The to the
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: Guardian in 2016, she described, quote, He pushed me up
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: against the wall and had his hands all over me
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: and tried to get up my dress again. And I
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: had to physically say, what are you doing?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Stop it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: It was a shocking thing to have him do this
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: because he knew I was with George. That's her husband.
• 51:59
  Speaker 7: And they were in the next room. And how could
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: he not be doing this when I'm there for business?
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: At the same time as this lawsuit, Trump was in
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: a suit with her husband over business dealings. And again,
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: this was surfacing in 2016. she was offering to help
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: the campaign at that same time. So something to keep
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: in mind, all of these caveats don't mean that an
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: allegation is true or false. I just was going through
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: this yesterday and thought it would be helpful to do
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: a breakdown so everybody could have as much information as possible.
• 52:26
  Speaker 7: In that lawsuit, she claimed in 1993, Trump had hosted
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: a party where he allegedly, quote, forcefully removed Hearth from the, quote,
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: public areas of Mar-a-Lago and forced her into a bedroom
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: belonging to Ivanka, wherein Trump forcibly kissed, fondled, and restrained
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: Hearth from leaving against Hearth's will.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And despite her protests.
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: Now, she did say to Law News, this was like
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: the law and crime website, that she wouldn't discuss the
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: settlement because she had settled that original lawsuit. And she
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: said she was under duress and pressured to file the case.
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: So this is when she's coming out and seemingly in
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: support of Trump. And when she was questioned about that pressure,
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: she wouldn't say. So were the sexual harassment allegations true?
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: Hearth says the allegations were twisted and embellished. Everything could
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: be looked at in a different way. Hearth, who now
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: runs a beauty business, says she's put the lawsuit behind her.
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: And get this, she said she'd even vote for Donald
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: Trump in the upcoming election, what she calls supporting a friend.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: So again, putting all the information out there.
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: This was in 20, I think this was 2016.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Got it. When the allegations surfaced. Okay, so now.
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: Getting into an underage allegation, this is from Jane Doe One,
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: 14 years old. This is from DOJ documents from the
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: Epstein Files Transparency Act. Apparently, Jeffrey Epstein introduced a victim
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: to Trump saying, quote, this is a good one, huh?
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: In Mar-a-Lago in 1994.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: And Trump responded, yes, the victim was 14 years old.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: At the time.
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: This victim was used in the Maxwell trial, according to
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: the House Democrats, who they say was seen as a
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: credible witness by a DOJ investigator.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: She was one of the four women to testify against Maxwell.
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: And described in detail, quote, abuse and sex acts that
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: occurred at Epstein's properties in Florida, New Mexico and New York,
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: sometimes involving Maxwell and groups of people. So this is
• 54:12
  Speaker 7: one of those allegations that they're using to build a
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: case that Trump was specifically involved in trafficking operations. There
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: is another Jane Doe, too. It goes by Katie Johnson,
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: 13 years old, and alleges that she was asked to
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: perform a penis massage on Donald Trump. She came forward
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: with a lawsuit in April of 2016. That lawsuit has
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: since been withdrawn, accusing Trump of raping and sexually abusing
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: her on multiple occasions in 1994. When she was 13
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: at an Epstein party in New York, she reported that
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: as a minor, quote, she was asked to strip down
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: to her underwear and give a massage to Epstein and
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: massage the penis of Epstein's guest, Trump, with her hands.
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: She also reported that Epstein and Trump argued over who
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: would take her virginity and Epstein became angry and violently
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: raped her. when he learned that Donald Trump had done so.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wrote about her case in 2016. She kept
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: promising to come forward with new information and then kept
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: backing off and canceling press conferences. And even the attorneys
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: that were working with her started to become skeptical about
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: her claims, as I recall, this particular allegation.
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: That was when I dipped back into the case yesterday.
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: I think that's a good characterization of it. We can
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: move on to Jane Doe 3, a.k.a. Kate, 20 years old.
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: While her official FBI form is heavily redacted by DOJ,
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: the Dems say it shows that Kate was introduced by
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: Maxwell to Donald Trump with a clear understanding that she
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: was available for sex. The FBI notes state Maxwell took
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: Kate to a party in New York. Maxwell, quote, seemed
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: very excited. There would be a lot of great men
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: for her to meet, including Donald Trump. Maxwell allegedly presented
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: Kate to Trump They had a conversation for approximately 20
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: minutes before she was invited to Mar-a-Lago, where she was
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: given a tour by Trump with Epstein and Maxwell present.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Although Kate does not explicitly claim any misconduct by Trump,
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: Maxwell repeatedly made clear that Kate was available to Donald Trump,
• 56:07
  Speaker 7: saying things like, oh, I think he likes you.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Aren't you lucky? This is great.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: So just to mention, she is 20 years old. But
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: what Democrats are trying to do here is to reinforce
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: the point that that we've been making, they are just
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: trying to specifically build a case that Trump and Epstein were,
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: that Trump was involved knowingly in Epstein's trafficking.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that they're boys.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: And that there was a legal trafficking question that Trump
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: was aware of and participating in.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I thought, wasn't this the time they were allegedly not
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: buddies anymore?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: That's part of what Democrats are trying to cast doubt on.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: They're trying to cast doubt on this question of whether
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: Or Trump's claim that he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: That's one thing they specifically mentioned in the report as
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: being called into question. So, yeah, that's one of the
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: things that a special counsel, I think, would certainly focus
• 56:55
  Speaker 7: in on is if there's all these testimony of them
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: still hanging out together at the time. But again, that
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: one says no misconduct.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: He seemed to have his own independent relationship with Ghislaine, too.
• 57:06
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good point. Next, Jane Doe, 13 years old.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: This is Jane Doe four. DOJ documents indicate that in 2019,
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: FBI interviewed a Jane Doe who came forward shortly after
• 57:17
  Speaker 7: Epstein's arrest to allege abuse in South Carolina in 1983.
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: So part of the problem with this allegation is that
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: Trump said in 2002 that he'd been friends with Epstein
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: for 15 years, which would date that to roughly like
• 57:29
  Speaker 7: the late 1980s at the earliest. Doesn't mean it's completely false.
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: He could have been speaking cavalierly, but that is one
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: of the holes that would be poked in this one. Initially,
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: Dems write a third party contacted FBI to share that
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: Jane Doe, when 13 or 14 years old, allegedly, quote,
• 57:44
  Speaker 7: bit President Trump while performing oral sex. And then he, quote,
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: hit her in the face after she laughed about biting
• 57:50
  Speaker 7: President Trump. I found a New Republic article that focused
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: in on some of this reporting here. They write, she
• 57:55
  Speaker 7: detailed that one incident took place while Trump was developing
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: a casino in Atlantic City. She was led to Trump
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: in a, quote, very tall building with huge rooms. People
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: have already cast doubt on her story because it's not
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: particularly specific. So the very tall building with huge rooms
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: in Atlantic City is one of the problems that people
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: have raised with it. Trump allegedly told others to leave
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: the room, New Republic reports, and told her, let me
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: teach you how little girls are supposed to be.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: This is so gross.
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: Before unzipping his pants and forcing her to perform a
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: sex act. She told the FBI that she, quote, bit
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: the expletive out of it, which angered Trump, who slapped
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: her and cursed. The Post and Courier, so a local
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: paper in South Carolina, said in her account about Trump,
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: she claimed that he forced her to commit a sex
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: act on him sometime around 1984, but provided foggy details
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: to FBI agents, including that the alleged encounter with Trump
• 58:39
  Speaker 7: happened when she traveled north to New York or New
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: Jersey with Epstein, who was a fixture in elite society.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Then this report, go ahead, Ryan.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: No love for Trump over here. I think one of
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the biggest creeps ever to live, but you're going to
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: need more than just that. Also, I'd be surprised if
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein ever set foot in South Carolina.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Well, so apparently he had that Hilton head.
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: This is actually an interesting Epstein subplot. Yeah, that he was,
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: but it's never been fully investigated.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: I forgot about it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Certainly possible.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: But by the way, again, like if they're building a
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: case for a special counsel, they're definitely, you know, for Democrats,
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: they'll have plenty to build that case with. Now, this
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: Jane Doe five is an interesting story because people may
• 59:24
  Speaker 7: remember the picture of Epstein holding a giant check that
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: was from the birthday book. she is the woman that
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: is identified as the one that is quote unquote sold
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: to Trump because it's her name that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Is under the redactions. So them's right.
• 59:39
  Speaker 7: One page of the birthday book depicts Epstein holding a
• 59:41
  Speaker 7: check with the caption, Jeffrey showing early talents with money
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: plus women sells quote fully depreciated woman's redacted name to
• 59:49
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump for $ 22, 500.
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: Well, she first dated Epstein while she was at NYU and,
• 59:58
  Speaker 7: And then Trump dated her right afterwards.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: So she does not ever. She has not. There's no evidence.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: Dems note she hasn't alleged misconduct, but she is a person,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: a real woman whose name is on that check. After
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: Epstein dated Trump and they're joking about the sale. Not
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: a helpful joke in the context of a serious sex
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: trafficking ring that we see Epstein. She was 20 years
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: old at the time that we see Epstein now in retrospect,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: very clearly building.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: These guys were passing young women and girls around like
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: that's what they were doing. Like I think when people.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: look for too much of a hierarchical, like mafia-like sex
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: trafficking operation, they're probably going to be disappointed because they're
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: not going to find the precise structure of that. But
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: what were they doing? Using their wealth and power and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: impunity to exploit young girls and young women. And so
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: this is an example of that. And some women are
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: going to come out of that and be like, hey, like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: It's a disgusting world. I knew what I was getting into.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: And I got the meetings I wanted. And these are
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: just two of the dozens of disgusting men, you know,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: that I had to navigate my way around.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: And a few of them are going to actually like
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: the guys.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 7: I think that's well said, because the question of consent
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: is obviously an important one. But that's where the NYU allegations,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: which are mostly just coming from Kuehl here, If they
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: can find more allegations that Trump was like pulling the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: strings at NYU and pulling the strings to get people visas,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: that's going to be in the trafficking realm much more clearly.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 7: These underage allegations, I'm sure, will be investigated more. But yeah,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 7: a lot of these women that we're talking about here.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So let's go into Maria Farmer.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Also, by the way, Trump bought the teen USA or
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: whatever it's called. And said he did it so that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: he could creep on girls in the locker room. It's like,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: what are we even talking about here? The guy is
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: a disgusting, like, if pedo is not the right word,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: whatever it is for like guys who are like into
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: 13 and 14 year old girls. Like he's a disgusting
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: creature who acted his entire life as a disgusting creature.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: So we're just kind of painting in some of the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: lines here.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: This gets us to Maria Farmer, 25 years old, who
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: obviously is one of the more famous Epstein accusers. She
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: claims that she was at Epstein's office in New York.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: She was waiting for Epstein. Trump comes in the room. Trump, quote,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: stood over her, Democrats say in a very imposing way,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 7: smirking at her like he was in on some secret.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 7: Epstein then emerged from his office laughing and saying, no, no,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 7: she's not here for you. Epstein escorted Trump to another room,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: leading Farmer to suspect there was another girl in that
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: office who was potentially there for a sexual purpose, causing
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump to confuse her for that girl. As the
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 7: two men left the room where Trump had ogled her,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 7: Farmer overheard Trump comment, quote, oh, I thought she was 16,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: although she was in her 20s at the time. Said Farmer, quote,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 7: it felt it, quote, felt very predatory. And Farmer's sister
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: was 15 at the time.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: Last one.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: To go through from this new report is Jane Doe Six,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 7: who was 21 years old at the time, and basically
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: alleges that Trump was still married to Marla Maples while
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 7: he was allowing her, well, not allowing, but he was
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: inviting her to be a sugar baby to him, basically.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: And this was in proximity to Epstein. So she's a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: Russian model who moved to Florida in 1995 at age 21.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 7: And shortly after meeting Donald Trump, the report writes, moved
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 7: into an apartment in Trump's Fifth Avenue building. Notwithstanding the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: fact that Trump was still married to Marla Maples, the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: New York Post, which wrote a contemporaneous article, stated that
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 7: her lavish accommodations were taken care of, quote, courtesy of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: an unidentified sugar daddy. Around this time, Jane Doe Sixx
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: spent time with Epstein and other co-conspirators. Flight records show
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: that not long after, Jane Doe Sixx flew on Epstein's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: jet with Chloe Maxwell and Prince Andrew. So those are
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 7: some of the, I think, bigger.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: chunks of this report, which.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: Is, again, it's not necessarily trying to just say that
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump has new allegations of sexual misconduct, although I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 7: think some of the media covered it that way. What
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: it's really trying to do is build connective tissue between
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: Trump's sexual exploits, many of which were covered by tabloids
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: at the time, and then.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: The Epstein, the broader Epstein operation. So we'll obviously continue
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: to follow.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: That, Ryan.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And meanwhile, Democrats have found that the Epstein issue,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it took them so long to
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: realize this, has been resonating with voters around the country. Republicans,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: independents and Democrats hitting them differently. Democrats, it's inspiring them
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: to turn out. And a lot of independents is inspiring
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: them to turn out and vote against Republicans. For Republicans,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of them, some of them are switching. Others,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: it's inspiring them to just stay home. So, you know what? Like,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I don't like these Democrats, but I'm not going to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: go out and put my name behind these disgusting kind
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: of sex trafficking, you know, cover up artists. And what
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I think happened here, and I don't think this is controversial,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: is that dozens of senators and Republican House members did
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: not realize that they were going to have close races.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: And so their biggest fear over the last couple of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: years has been getting on the wrong side of Trump.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: And so when Massey and Khanna put up, you know,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: with the help of Marjorie Taylor Greene and others, put
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: up the legislation to release the Epstein files, the politically
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: safer thing for them to do was to side with Trump.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: That is now being used heavily against them. Democrats on
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: the Senate side have spent, and Politico reported this, I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: can confirm it, have spent at least $ 20 million on
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: ads that mention Epstein files. On the House side, there's
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: at least several million. I'm still working on getting a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: full figure there. But let's roll Politico discussing a little
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: bit about the way that Democrats are successfully kind of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: leveraging this as a wedge issue.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: There's a world where if Democrats are able to climb
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 9: uphill and flip the Senate in their favor– that one
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: of the reasons why they were able to do it
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 9: will have been because of the Epstein saga and its fallout.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: In a number of states, including Alaska, Ohio, Iowa, and others, Dasha,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: the Democratic firm Blue Rose Research is working with the
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 9: Chuck Schumer-aligned Senate Majority PAC to flood the airwaves with
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 9: $ 20 million in ads down the homestretch. focusing on the
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: Epstein scandal. Dasha, this is interesting. It's really privately giving
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 9: Republicans and Republican pollsters a lot of consternation because essentially
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 9: what they say is happening is they've consolidated 85% of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 9: their base. They're confident in 85% of Republicans who they
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 9: think will turn out for their candidates, where Democrats are
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 9: at 95%. The difference, they think, is partly due to
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: these Epstein ads. They think these Epstein ads from Democrats
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 9: are suppressing the Republican vote and encouraging them to not
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 9: turn out to vote because they feel let down by
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: how the Epstein files played out.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: So I actually want to take a look at some
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: of the ads in particular. Now, imagine that you're a
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: voter in Kansas, Nebraska, Florida, and you're seeing these ads
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: and think about how it would make you feel about
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: the incumbent. Let's roll through some of these.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: It was one of the worst child abuse scandals in history.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 11: Dozens of young girls sexually trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein, drugged, molested,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 11: and raped.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: And Roger Marshall helped cover it up.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 11: Marshall voted to keep the Epstein file sealed, ignoring pleas
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: from victims, and saying releasing the information was, quote, not
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: of much interest to me. Roger Marshall used his office
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 11: to protect pedophiles. He doesn't belong in the Senate.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: Let's play a game. How many degrees is Pete Ricketts
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: from Jeffrey Epstein? Rule one, follow the money. Let's start
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: with an easy one. Former Call of Duty boss, Bobby Kotick.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Years after Epstein's sex crime conviction, Kotick invited him over.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: Drinks tomorrow, my house, 5.30? Kotick's cash went to Ricketts.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: If you guessed two, you're right on the money.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 12: Six million documents, 1,200 victims, and his vote stood in
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 12: the way of the truth. Dan Sullivan took thousands in
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 12: cash from Epstein Associates and voted to keep the files
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 12: hidden from the public, even after he knew 14-year-old girls
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 12: were raped. Dan Sullivan had the power to release the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 12: Epstein files and protect the victims. Instead, he protected his
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: donors and his friends.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 10: In their world, power protects power. Ashley Hinson made sure
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 10: of it. Her top donors appear in the Epstein files
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 10: over 700 times. In Congress, Hinson voted against releasing the files.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: When given another chance, she skipped the votes. Instead, she
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 10: was raising money from a billionaire who was in the
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 10: Epstein files over 20 times. Ashley Hinson put her donors
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 10: before her duty.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 13: I was 13 years old when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 13: I was told about an old guy that just liked
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 13: to get massages from young girls. When Jeffrey gave me
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 13: that $ 300, I was very vulnerable.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: He used me in every way.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 13: Senator Ashley Moody cast a deciding vote to protect the
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 13: man who abused me. Why protect a pedophile? Ashley Moody,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 13: whose side are you on? Ashley Moody, how can you
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 13: put your political career above abused children?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: And Emily, it turns out somebody in the Epstein files
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: is helping fund some of these. Is that right? Reid Hoffman?
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: It's Reid Hoffman.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: Reid Hoffman basically put a ton of the money into
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 7: the pack that's running a lot of these ads.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: And Ryan, you've reported on Reid Epstein's, Reid Epstein, Reid
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Hoffman's Epstein ties.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: He's a reporter right now.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 7: Yes, unfortunately for him. Reid Hoffman's Epstein ties, which are
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 7: not nothing. They're not like insignificant. Somebody who's just like
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: incidentally in the files.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: They were correspondents.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 7: Reid Hoffman was on the island, according to the reporting
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 7: that I'm familiar with.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: So this is a twinge of irony.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: He is denied participating in any, you know, you know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: sordid activity, uh, People who have met Epstein say that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: you got creep five from him immediately. So at a minimum,
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  Speaker 2: it reflects either poor judgment or the kind of judgment
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  Speaker 2: that we'd rather not know about. Yeah, put up C5. So, yeah,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Reid Hoffman, you know, spending a significant amount of money
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  Speaker 2: hammering them. What are you hearing on the Republican side?
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  Speaker 2: My understanding is that this is that Democrats are going
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to lean heavily into this in the final kind of stretch.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: This is exactly what Republicans deserve for milking the Epstein
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  Speaker 7: issue rightfully before the Trump administration came back into office
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  Speaker 7: and then allowing Trump to get away. I mean, to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: be fair, a lot of Republicans. I mean, you'll remember this.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: I remember this before they went to the break. Last year,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: when the Epstein-Faust Transparency Act was being pushed for, I
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 7: was at like a Republican event. And the kind of
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: conventional wisdom in Washington was that this was just a
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: podcast issue.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody really cared about it.
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  Speaker 7: And I went and talked to all of these Republican
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 7: members and said, like, do you think when you go
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: back home to your district in August, it was right
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: before the recess, they're going to want to talk to
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: you about Epstein? And like every single one of them
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: just casually, fairly casually was like, yes, they were all
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: prepared to have to talk about it because they knew.
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  Speaker 1: That people at home would want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 7: Like it was clear to them that people cared enough
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: to ask them questions about it. And so that's why
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: I think you end up with the Epstein-Files Transparency Act
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 7: finally passing because they knew the pressure was so significant.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: And Republicans knew that going back years because they were
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: the ones who were trying to milk the issue politically
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: during the Biden administration. And so honestly, I have no
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: sympathy for them whatsoever. And I do think, I mean,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: the Ashley Moody ad, I do think these ads are
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: absolutely powerful.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is brutal stuff. And yes, absolutely agree.
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  Speaker 2: And it's ironic that they did so much to elevate
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: the resonance of it. And now it's coming back and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: hammering them. So maybe hopefully we don't see that cycle again.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: And with Democrats taking control and then themselves refusing to investigate,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: it's like we want you know, we want to see
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: everything and we want to we want actual accountability. And
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: I think until the public gets it, the politicians are
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: going to continue to be punished for it.