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EL TREN DE LA VIDA 16-05-24 · EL TREN DE LA VIDA

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  Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the
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  train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I
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  want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world,
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  a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace
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  and freedom. The train of life is a magaxin of good news and hope.
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  This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and as many
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  seekers of truth, of the only truth that can make us truly free.
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  Come Te, I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of
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  all, which will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train
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  of life. Good morning, Spain. Bon día, friends and friends,
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  welcome to this traveling train. We travel on the train of life and today
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  we are also unstoppable. Come along, ladies and gentlemen, very well found,
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  welcome to this stretch, stretch of life. By train is a living
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  parable as life itself, traveling being led by life. The train doesn'
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  t take us, we don' t take it. So there' s
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  a driver who takes us with the automatics on duty. Practically notice that there
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  are cars without a driver right now. Imagine how afraid you are going through
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  the cities. But this has almost greater security than a vehicle with a driver,
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  that is, what paradoxes life has. No, well, we don
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  ' t know if trains work like that, but some of that' s
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  just good. We have the recent memory of the Albia who derailed and well,
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  claimed many victims for going at a speed on an inappropriate curve, totally
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  inadequate at speed. But, well, this creeping train never does. In
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  addition, it takes us to safe harbour, to term station, takes us
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  to a certain place. It' s the train of life. They know
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  who the great helmsman of this train is. Yes, it will seem strange
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  to them. But it is Jesus, the son of God, or as
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  he called himself the son of man, not he the God who became man
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  and left us the trail the way for him, he said and it is
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  true. I am the way, the truth and the life, and he
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  is the way by which we must walk the supreme truth and transcendent life.
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  Life essence also and transcendent life. No one can reach God the Father,
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  but it is by me said Jesus. Therefore, Jesus is inescapable and he
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  is the supreme guide. The Father has given him the rank of Jesus being
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  the true driver. Well, ladies and gentlemen, this morning we have some
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  good guests here. I have my friend Jau fuller, a proen lawyer,
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  not only in this radio talk, but also in others in the country and
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  also a great national and international lecturer. He is also the national coordinator of
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  professional Bible groups of graduates, and he is the national coordinator of this work.
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  He also has the perfect features to drive it. And of course,
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  because this morning he will be with us here we are going to talk about
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  the present, the current debate. It just gives a lot of it to
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  many of us today. The truth is, yes. And well, there
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  we' ll be talking about today, you' re already talking about political
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  changes, political upheavals, the wars going on, the surrounding concerns, and,
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  well, as you steal our copper here, in the stands of Barcelona,
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  Catalonia and again and again and again, this can' t be.
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  This is an oversight by not so much the police, but how to organize
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  the police to prevent this day and night, a week and a week this
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  week. This is a failure, but huge, no wonder what you'
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  re doing It' s going to be a government for that, because this
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  can' t be once in a while unexpectedly anywhere. But this shows a
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  brutal discoordination and this has to be arranged for you. This and other things.
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  Well, already or tomorrow he will be with us today to discuss between
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  a servant together with him, who will be the chateau of pro the other,
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  the rock, will be with us this morning from our already experienced family
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  doctor friend, in addition to being an active evangelical pastor. We' ll
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  talk about the patient doctor relationship. Let' s talk about it because you
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  know, between the patient doctor relationship it occurs. Okay. There are doctors
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  there who are inaccessible, totally see you They have a barrier, a breastplate
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  or an altar. These are the old ways. No, but there are
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  others that are not, there are others that are more sober, but there
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  are others that have that empathy, that almost empathy solves you fifty percent of
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  your problem. There are others who have antipathy, no, but the other
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  rock is one of those who have great empathy. Let' s not always
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  talk about the relationship. Also when the doctor' s relationship is toxic.
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  It means that the doctor' s doctor can' t be told in the
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  emotional vampirism plan either to be stalking him that he does that, too.
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  Well, we' ll talk about this what results that gives, good and
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  bad, and how far does this whole patient medical relationship have to go and
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  why do those figures represent? Well, there in a little while, we
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  ' ll also go to the station with modest rock. The family doctor,
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  Victor Mirón, director of the SPA of grandparents, only for flights, kicks,
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  only for good. Okay. You who here in Castel de Fells,
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  who, by the way, in the way of the Mar del Plata of
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  the Argentines, because it is sea and it is a place that likes very
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  much. There are many Argentinians there and many Argentine restaurants. In addition,
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  it is a very beautiful tourist site, twenty- two kilometers from Barcelona,
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  Capital. And then there in the imperfect restaurant that is where the church is,
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  a Baptist church of my good friend Daniel Requena, of the pastor and
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  is also the director of the restaurant, a solidarity restaurant. Every three months
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  there is a very interesting conference of Spanish grandparents. The best are always chosen.
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  Indeed, there was Felix Ortiz and others who have been talking about issues
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  related to grandparents. But now we have ahead for shortly, by the 24th
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  of May in the afternoon at 18 hours. There we have the doctor in
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  psychology and also master' s degree in family therapy, Pedro San Jaime,
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  who has been pastor for many years, also director of vision for living Spain.
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  He is currently going to be addressing emotional and emotional ties between grandparents and
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  grandchildren. How these things have to be given. Not then, Victor Mirón,
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  as director, will explain the subject to us and you will say good
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  and what has to do if it is done there how we will access it.
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  Yes, we have the pleasure of going at almost every trubated encounter,
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  as we say here in Catalonia. We are there, but now there is
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  a wonderful possibility and it is done by Zoom, so that you can follow
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  it live and live through zul. And I tell you the lectures, the
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  talk talks are sensational for grandparents nor go first think that of grandparents there is
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  nothing orientation, eh, there is nothing at all. In fact, Victor
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  Milon is about to release his book after the summer, finishing his notes on
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  the subject in question, that there is virtually nothing, except some approaches that
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  have been made. So succinctly. Well, then, emotional and effective bonds.
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  It will be the lecture between good and grandkids given by Pedro San Jaime
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  himself, Doctor in psychology, but that Victor Mino will make us an advance
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  and will talk about some very interesting questions of grandparents and grandchildren. Do not
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  miss it here on the train of life and if it gives us time,
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  besides having been with good music, we will listen to psychiatrist Mariane Rojas talking
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  to us about forgiveness, forgiveness it heals, everything it heals, everything it
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  can heal, it must heal. Genuine forgiveness, forgiveness given and forgiveness received,
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  forgiveness declared, and forgiveness received, and forgiveness received by the offended.
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  So, well, then, very interesting. The theme eh of many browns
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  on Sunday. We call a talk in our church about the subject in charge
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  of theÁngel Martínez cloth about the power of forgiveness well, then, gentlemen,
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  I leave you with good morica and we go to the boarding. Let
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  ' s go with me. You know we' re on Facebook. You
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  know we' re on Facebook. Connect between your points. The train of
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  life together is and follow him here, follow us, he was not doctor
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  of power what changed my Corson. It wasn' t tom that same and
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  your splendid what I speak to master what leads me to follow this way to
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  the end, your love, your impossible compassion in all the do sora of
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  this was tender favor like the breeze that loves like smile and cobraz It was
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  your forbidden way love gives. It was with my power or put on what
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  changed my condition. It wasn' t immense glory of your fulgo, which
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  I' m proud of. I melt what' s on your fingers,
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  which leads me to believe. It was your love your impossible compassion, tumbura
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  goodness that was the only degree of guidance. It was your love as full
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  as the breeze or that heals like a smile and that of. But this
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  is the way you use to communicate with other drivers, to tell them that
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  you tour ahead or you' re going to get out of a roundabout,
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  to give them the safety to predict your actions and, sometimes, to prevent
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  an accident on the road. More than anywhere. Meeting the rules of movement
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  and coexistence can save our lives. Directorate- General for Traffic, Ministry of
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  the Interior, Government of Spain. For any query suggestion you can write us.
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  To Julio Pérez Arroba, the train of life? Punto is Julio Pérez
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  Arroba, the train of life? Point is we wait for your mail?
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  Are we waiting for your mail? Ladies and gentlemen, well, we'
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  re already in line to talk. We also talk about what happens, no,
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  what happens to us and what concerns us, also because we are not
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  raw material from another planet. We do not have a deseideratum also about the
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  socio- political reality, besides the spiritual reality that we talk about from here
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  a lot, because this is the blind angle, the blind self of people
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  not and we have to address it, because it is transcendental for human life,
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  the subject of spirituality. But we also talk about what concerns us,
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  because it affects us, it affects social, political and everyday life beyond the
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  word pass, you know, not that because it also entertains many and even
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  if the winner takes a ball, but half is what he was doing poor
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  man. Well, let' s go there. We have our friend jaun
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  more full as always monthly, not missing this welcome appointment. Yauma. Thank
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  you so much for the welcome and thank you for coming to your program.
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  Happy to be with the listeners for another month too. Yes, of course
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  I do, with pleasure. Listen to this pasaword thing. You have to
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  see awake, awake or passions not. And a thousand eight hundred million did
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  not touch him. One million eight hundred, one thousand five, one thousand
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  eight hundred, one thousand eight thousand eight, see oscar days. It'
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  s just that the author, the two of you have done very well.
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  Uh, well, I' m going, obviously I' m on something
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  else at this hour, but some of the days I' m here,
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  obviously, Mishue was that she' s a woman, she' s practically
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  ninety years old, she' s living with us, because the woman gets
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  entertained sometimes. Seeing this, not that contests, because they are the most
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  entertaining thing there is. The pure truth, the roulette of luck, the
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  pasaword, moreover, makes the mind faster, no, and all this helps
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  and I thought that the two, the two contenders, because they are in
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  both, have been very good. But, finally, that man and they
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  have to be very good. Yeah, yeah, I was talking this morning.
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  I was at the hairdresser' s. She' s a hairdresser in
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  the corner and as I travel tomorrow as an emergency, she' s fixed
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  me up a little bit. The hair is called Susana and we talked about
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  the theme of the contests, not the wheel of luck, the pasaword,
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  then the know- how to win, this contest that is already historical.
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  I think that when Franco was a corporal, he was already on the way,
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  and you see, they say, this man has made a pact with
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  the devil, also this one that I remember his name now, but he
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  is very well known. Knowing how to win and you see it are very
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  popular contests that people follow a lot is that they have a formula that is
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  simple. What succeeds is both the simple and that can be scaled over time,
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  which from to in a way works now and will work within fifty years.
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  These contests also have, they are of a small and reduced economic investment,
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  not because their simplicity, their simplicity is the key to the game and
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  everyone sees it because somehow they think. I could be right about some of
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  these, too. The standard key to the return to the rocky, no,
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  but some of them you know too. And that inspires you. A
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  lot is stolen Jordi. Now I was watching him know how to win Jordi
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  stolen, you see him no, he doesn' t get old. This
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  is like Odrian Gray' s portrait. No or back to everyone else,
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  let' s get older is less. Yes, yes, fifty years ago
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  and you see it the same and the contest has its audience on Spanish TV
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  ' s two. So, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, it
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  ' s the day- to- day program with the most years of broadcasting
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  on television, on television in general, on public television. Well, it
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  ' s from the contests. It must be recognized, for it is an
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  entertainment, let us say, feasible, friendly and it is also now.
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  Also, if they are pocketed, because that money, see, you,
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  even if they take half, have a lot of money, of almost two
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  million, a lot of money, almost a million euros. Yeah, that
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  ' s a lot of money. I think they have that. They have
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  human competitiveness, because human beings are competitive. But at the same time without
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  the acrimony in many other places, such as politics, such as religion,
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  such as football, these sites have become very aggressive. And instead, this
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  contest is competitive. You can get into it. And there are no insults,
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  no bad voices, no bad words. And these tune very well.
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  Not with the heart of human beings. I think it has those advantages,
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  it has those virtues. It' s just like roulette, the luck that
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  many years ago, that' s going on. Also, as much sympathy
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  on the part of the presenter also and besides, it is easy, it
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  is dynamic, it is extroverted a lot And well, as there are also
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  some not so large, not prizes, but it is good the car.
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  When someone takes the bounce car, it makes you. Looks like you'
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  re looking forward to it. If someone takes a car, if they touch
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  me, listen, I could really use it. I think the key is
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  those simple formats that can be replicated and replicated and replicated over and over again
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  without you getting tired of seeing the same thing and there are people saying what
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  happens to this person that quickly mentally. No, that' s virtues.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there are so many current
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  TV contests. Not because he said he knew how to win too and the
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  wheel luck, obviously, passes word. And then there are several new contests
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  for also to make money that people are crazy about getting what they can.
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  No and well, at least it' s a hook, but good is
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  something of the most attractive TV in the benign sense. Television after the Eurovision
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  show as entertainments, and after the Eurovision show yaoma. Eurovision is a bad
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  screen, although it has a lot of modernity, of lights, of aesthetics,
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  of multimedia, amazing and such, but it is a cutrate. But
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  of those out of the ordinary big time, but it reflects the soul of
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  today' s Europe, true, a decadent Europe. From decadent Europe because
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  that' s what you say. A lot of technology, a lot of
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  apparent modernity and a lot of decay. That' s what you see.
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  There was no one the other day who took pictures of what the contest was
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  thirty years ago and today and there was a broken Europe. There was no
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  Europe going to miss decadence. You know the systems fall from the inside.
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  Systems are not attacked by something outside that is more powerful than they are,
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  but it is the system' s own decay that makes it dangerous. The
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  Roman Empire, which in a huge period, the Assyrian empire, the Babylonian
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  empire, all those empires, there was a time when someone attacked them,
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  For example, the Babylonian Empire was attacked by the Persian Medes not and fell.
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  It seemed impossible for Babylon to fall. It was totally impossible and instead,
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  they just touched it a little bit and Babylon collapsed. There was a
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  great appearance and very little content. Babylon had begun to fall within long ago.
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  What happens is that it kept that shell, that structure, it kept
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  the brightness, and that' s what' s left of Europe right now.
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  But of all that Europe had made great, that which Europe' s
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  generosity, the welfare system, had done, a great Europe was a place
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  of welcome for everyone. Today we are, we are miserable. Yesterday an
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  immigration law was passed that is responding a little bit to the misery of Europeans,
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  to that ultra- right contrary to all immigration, when we really need
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  immigration to pay our salaries, our pensions, because while what we have is
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  a huge birth crisis, that is to say it is a problem that we
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  are the sugar that is being held inside the coffee and at one point all
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  this falls because there is only the external structure, there is only the brightness
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  of Europe, there is only what we had been. But we are a
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  heartless continent, a continent that no longer has a soul. What Europe had
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  made great is not our military successes, we have not had them for a
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  long time, but what was left was the philosophy that Europe had built.
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  It is very interesting that Europe, when the first core of the current European
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  Union was formed, is that European steel Community after the Second World War.
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  It is very curious because there was a stop of European leaders and leaders,
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  most of them Democrats, Christians, etcetera. They had a prayer meeting together
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  they stopped to pray to God, to create the European Union. Of this
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  which remains as it is today, the leadership that we ourselves have given to
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  Europe is as decadent leadership as what we see in the Eurovision. Eurovision is
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  simply a glimpse of what we Europeans are today, of what remains. What
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  remains of today is the remains of the wreck. We have spiritually shipwrecked,
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  we have morally shipwrecked, and what remains are the remains of the shipwreck.
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  And this is what we see when we make art, when we express ourselves
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  artistically, what we see is misery and decay. Well, there it is,
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  but it' s just a reflection. That' s not the real
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  problem. The real problem is not what appears in Eurovision, but the real
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  problem is our moral, spiritual, etcetera decline, which makes us tremendously vulnerable.
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  That' s right. You see, when I was looking at the
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  good guy, I saw a while from the journalistic interest. I am so
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  bored with Eurovision. But for a while I saw the Spanish song. I
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  ' m telling you, but it' s huge, wanting to raise it
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  up, but from all points of view it' s not good then.
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  Beyond all that, those reflections of mine, what I am realizing and all
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  the choreographies that count a lot at the time. The choreography more than vocal
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  performance, vocal musician, but comes out to see, to see who makes
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  her fatter? The point is to see who makes her fatter. Not later,
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  for me, the most beautiful song with the most musical quality motifs was
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  Israel' s number one and then France' s. The Algerian who sang
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  that beautiful song of love representing France. That was the two songs, and
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  that of Israel, of course, Hurricane, Hurracán. These two were the
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  prettiest songs for me from the festival. But well, how careful that during
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  Spain, Spain voted to Israel massively, curiously, citizenship by quality of song.
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  Not later, as everything is politicized, because it' s gone that
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  there' s then the show. But the question is then this guy comes
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  out naked from the waist down, then the non binary. Now we'
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  re going to get the weirdo out of here. I don' t know
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  what it means. This is the one I do not say, the masquerade,
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  not to say another word a little thicker, the most colossal masquerade.
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  But I' m telling you who makes her fatter. And the one who
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  makes her fatter is the one who won win you remember. Perhaps this began
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  with I don' t know what this gentleman from Austria was called, who
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  won the competition, sir dressed all as a woman with a beard and so
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  yes, yes, another yes. So, there' s the thing that,
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  as you have to be politically correct, if you do any of these
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  things, you have a lot more chance of winning, which if you sing
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  well, then it' s no longer a song contest. It' s
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  a contest full of ideology where a series of things take precedence over art,
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  over the composition that you' re singing and for nothing. I' m
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  personally absolutely interested. I didn' t do anything completely different at that time.
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  I devoted myself to something that was useful and the truth is, it
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  doesn' t even entertain me. I am already bored sovereignly and for years
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  I have not seen it, I do not waste my time in those things,
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  but I dedicate myself to seeing other things that I consider to be much
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  more useful, much more edifying. Yeah, yeah, no, don'
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  t go with them. What happens clearly, it is impossible to read the
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  press and not to see the photos, not to see the images, not
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  to watch the videos, that is to say they are putting it in you
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  then not and one for keeping informed. You see it, but really,
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  what I really see is that' s honestly a lot of decay, a
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  lot where what' s premium is ideology, the song. And that'
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  s a long time ago, which happens in the Oscars, which happens in
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  the Grammys and which happens in a lot of places where you no longer judge
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  what seemed to be the center of the prize no longer was judged. A
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  good movie. It is judged whether there are LGBT components and what treatment is
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  given to the homosexual collective. There is an issue about abortion that is promoted
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  and seen the propaganda of the system. It' s not that I'
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  m very interested in seeing their propaganda. I' m very interested. Then
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  you haven' t made one or that. No, I don' t
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  understand you, I have it. I did, but with the truth that
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  it' s hard for me, because I rarely get bored, sor.
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  I don' t like it at all, but, well, journalistically,
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  I have to take a look at it, but the thing has done a
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  very interesting analysis. Europe is cardboard stone. You mean. If Europe is
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  destabilized, which is apparently the most politically and economically stable continent in the world,
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  there will be a global decomposition that is already being seen by many,
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  even in the United States and at different levels. And it is Europe that
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  is complacent. And that Europe, that fortress, that apparent is being eroded
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  by accelerated moral and spiritual degradation in a savage way that we go everywhere and
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  nowhere. And then, of course, the incorporation into the Charter of the
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  European Union of the right to abortion as an unappealable right, in the sense
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  that it will not even be a dictatorial imposition. Also, I mean,
• 33:08
  we' re in some very complex situations, but if you think we'
• 33:15
  re moving on to the good one, we can' t help it.
• 33:20
  They' ll move on to the domestic policy my wife was telling me now,
• 33:28
  but they' re wrong. They' ve sent another vote card again.
• 33:30
  I say no, no, if we vote by tomorrow again, I
• 33:35
  say June or we were again says there, yes, I didn' t
• 33:38
  remember. I say yes, yes, of course, honey. If this
• 33:40
  is why we are sent, he says, but if we finish it,
• 33:45
  we are finally coming, we are going to be packed with electoral calls.
• 33:50
  It is that Galician, Basque, Catalan, European lessons and hope that some
• 33:55
  other system does not fail and we have to go to early elections. No,
• 34:00
  it' s not like we' re going. Come on. I
• 34:01
  anticipate we' re going. If we don' t go before the end
• 34:05
  of the year, we' ll at most in the spring. That'
• 34:07
  s pretty sure. Come on. It is that all analysts, even from
• 34:12
  the left itself, the most Rick Juliana, who is a very brilliant man,
• 34:19
  of those who try to position themselves impartially as far as he can,
• 34:27
  not that, by the way, Hara has published a book and for me
• 34:29
  he is a most brilliant man to read. Your articles are front- line
• 34:34
  and your comments are very good. But girl there' s a choice in
• 34:38
  itself. This, this is inexhaustible, all the mess in the backyard there
• 34:43
  is. But going to what we have seen, the subject of Catalonia,
• 34:49
  well there has been a great change. Indeed, independence has obviously been reduced
• 34:53
  to thirteen seats less in votes, also good. As a matter of fact,
• 35:00
  Juns got the minimum votes that last time. The thing is, there
• 35:02
  ' s the law. Leon has three more seats, but of votes he
• 35:07
  has the same ones that he had a little less even barely. But,
• 35:12
  well, the thing is, he' s got it. What he'
• 35:14
  s got is that total Bucklet ra. Then the lady oriolls that the Catalan
• 35:19
  voice but has also been diminishing. And then and the socialists, of course,
• 35:28
  have set themselves up. I think, from my point of view,
• 35:34
  I don' t know how you feel about it and it' s already
• 35:37
  done an excellent campaign. He is a man who has manifested more temper of
• 35:39
  statesman, of measured man, not insulting. He has collaborated with the current
• 35:46
  Government, which seems to me that reciprocity will have to be given in one
• 35:51
  way or another, because if we do not go to other elections, it
• 35:55
  will not benefit anyone. But the fact is, the scenario has changed.
• 36:01
  What is your general impression, looking at the global, is that the situation
• 36:10
  is very diverse. In Spain you have noticed Galician elections. The PP wins
• 36:17
  with a huge majority and there is a nationalist party, the Galician nationalist bloc
• 36:25
  in the middle and then the PESOME very low. Now let' s go
• 36:30
  somewhere else. We' re going to the Basque Country. The Basque Country
• 36:34
  struggles between two more peripheral national nationalist parties and the fall of both PESOE and
• 36:45
  PP that almost no Catalan elections appear, just the opposite of what happens in
• 36:52
  Galicia. Socialist Party top Catalan nationalism in growth a little increase of the PP
• 37:05
  that rose from three deputies by little, becomes the previous elections in extra-
• 37:08
  parliamentary party, the pp NO, etcetera. See how we have Spain if
• 37:15
  we now go to Madrid and have an election in Madrid, an absolute majority
• 37:22
  of the PP decay of all the other parties, that is, Spain is
• 37:25
  not Spain. They are those of Spain, because there are very different perspectives
• 37:31
  and we have to observe the image of what Catalonia offers at this moment from
• 37:40
  more than one perspective. I always say that in Catalonia there are two axes,
• 37:45
  not one axis. In many places in Spain we have the right-
• 37:47
  to- left axis, and we have only one, for example, in
• 37:52
  Madrid. Madrid is a question between right and left Castilla y la man In
• 37:57
  Castilla, La Mancha derechos derechos derechos. But, on the other hand,
• 38:01
  in Catalonia there are two different axes that if we want to understand well what
• 38:06
  happens, we have to read right to left and Spanish nationalism Catalan nationalism.
• 38:10
  And what have these elections told us, this selection. We have been told
• 38:15
  that it goes up to the right and goes up to the left, so
• 38:20
  the Socialist Party has gone up, the Popular Box Party has gone up with
• 38:25
  what had the Catalan right ultrara goes up, so somehow the two poles go
• 38:30
  up. But, on the other hand, on the Spanish nationalism axis Catalan
• 38:37
  nationalism. It climbs the axis of Spanish nationalism, above the axis of Catalan
• 38:40
  nationalism. This is the reading. What' s up? Behind all this,
• 38:45
  there is a tiredness of Catalan independenceism, of the constant quarrel and fight
• 38:52
  between the Catalan nationalist parties and the people who voted in independence, who have
• 39:00
  done on this occasion voted mostly for the Socialist Party or stayed at home.
• 39:07
  And the problem is that Catalan nationalism, Catalan independence, cannot get its people
• 39:10
  out to vote and as long as they continue to do so, they will
• 39:16
  not succeed. Then there' s tiredness. The process has led to fatigue
• 39:23
  among independent voters. They' re still there, they' re probably still
• 39:30
  there, but they can' t get them to vote. And so,
• 39:32
  in this sense we have a totally different height. But I think we'
• 39:38
  re in front of different scenarios. There is no single reading within Spain.
• 39:44
  Looks like there' s a maintenance on that PP increase. Looks like the
• 39:50
  weight holds up they' re there. And of course, one of the
• 39:54
  problems is the difficulty of the covenants, that is, how the births go
• 39:59
  out. In Cataña there are no pacts going out anywhere. In Catalonia there
• 40:02
  can only be minority governments, but the problem in Spain is the same.
• 40:07
  In Spain there are two poles. A pole that is the PP that only
• 40:10
  has no choice but to agree with Box. The PPE does not want it
• 40:15
  any more than BOX and, on the other hand, there is all the
• 40:21
  rest of the parliamentary arch that prefers to agree with the left than to agree
• 40:28
  with the right. Of course, it makes governments very complicated, very unstable.
• 40:35
  The PEPE which is perhaps the force without perhaps the most voted force in
• 40:39
  Spain at the moment has no one to make pacts with. He' s
• 40:45
  broken up all those he could deal with somehow. No one supports the PP
• 40:50
  but Box who is obliged to agree with them because he has no other partner
• 40:54
  who can agree. It' s clear. The problem in Spain is that
• 40:57
  everyone is excluded from each other. It is. I won' t deal
• 41:00
  with this one. I won' t deal with this one. I won
• 41:01
  ' t deal with this one. In the end they have to end pact
• 41:07
  you remember before the last national elections June said never will President Sanchez, that
• 41:15
  web words of Junes and obviously they had to do it. President. It
• 41:19
  is that this is the problem, It is that the problem is the problem
• 41:22
  of the pacts, because we are a country that is not used to the
• 41:27
  great pacts. And then now it' s hard for us to find partners,
• 41:32
  because we' ve all disqualified everyone, we' ve all said that
• 41:37
  with this one I' ll never agree and in the end you have no
• 41:42
  choice but where you said. I mean, I die and you' re
• 41:45
  already on your own. I don' t think it' s a very
• 41:47
  wise analysis, very accurate one that you' re doing in a general and
• 41:54
  punctual way, of the national panorama, but also of the vain to Matalán,
• 42:00
  the people, also the pragmatism, the speech I would put on the
• 42:05
  skin of an independentist that I have. Of course, anyone has the right
• 42:08
  to do whatever they want then and we talked, but even putting me in
• 42:15
  their psychology and as I would say, there has been a lot of clumsiness.
• 42:17
  People need to be solved on a daily basis, not to spend week
• 42:23
  after week on the stands, regardless of whether they depend on Madrid or depend
• 42:28
  on it. That is a strategic failure, brutal local, not drought,
• 42:34
  that there have been so many improvisations of small domestic problems that are not well
• 42:42
  solved. So that' s what people still want. An important independentist sector
• 42:47
  has said don' t tell me about Itaka. Now tell me about the
• 42:52
  solutions later and see if, to see what we do with once we position
• 42:55
  ourselves better, because independence a not being formally independenceist. Convergence, the old
• 43:04
  convergence, that is, the breakdown that has had it has never had since
• 43:08
  I, from the beginning, means defeat is very great he wants and this,
• 43:15
  therefore, speaks of that politically recovery looks. How it turned out is
• 43:21
  that Republican, how it is June, that I' ve been as it
• 43:23
  was. At least they have been the clearest when they have said the cross
• 43:29
  and then all the others. But I was thinking and I' ve already
• 43:35
  given the image of the man, the man of state, the man of
• 43:38
  calm, the man of quiet, he has a good head and notice that
• 43:44
  you could tell this one, because maybe it' s not. No.
• 43:45
  No, I' m not and I' m not either I don'
• 43:50
  t have an approach, but I' m realistic and I' m doing
• 43:54
  an analysis that I' m trying to be even. No, and he
• 43:55
  ' s a man who inspires trust and I' m sure he' ll
• 44:01
  do very well. What' s more, I' m going to tell
• 44:04
  you something and I' m saying it in front of the whole Sanchez audience,
• 44:10
  that in its fall, it can happen at any time. I wear
• 44:12
  you down because you' re going to a thousand of the magic tricks you
• 44:16
  ' ve done a lot, but at some point not far away. The
• 44:22
  only socialist candidate I see able to replace Sanchez is Salvadoría because of the temper
• 44:28
  she has. There is no other outstanding socialist in sight as Savior and I
• 44:32
  do not know if you will agree at state level. Eh the question of
• 44:38
  leadership We want, that is, whether we are betting on moderation or we
• 44:45
  are betting on confrontation and conflict, because it looks like a part of the
• 44:49
  citizenry to which anger and conflict goes because if they would not vote for those
• 44:53
  who vote you understand. At Catalina we have always had a rather dialogueal and
• 45:04
  rather tolerant system of operation. You know what got him dirty. He came
• 45:08
  to dirty citizens, citizens put as much mud as possible, insults offense.
• 45:17
  This was totally strange, because in Catalonia it had always lived together six and
• 45:22
  seven political parties and in Catalonia that style did not go and now, at
• 45:27
  this moment, it does go too, but fortunately it has won someone who
• 45:30
  does not have a quarrel, because she will have the virtues and defects she
• 45:36
  wants. But he' s not a bronc man. He is a dialogue
• 45:39
  person, he is a person who never offends, he is a person who
• 45:45
  always prefers arguments to brazenness, to insult. So it' s good for
• 45:52
  me. As for the political regeneration of the country, we need leadership of
• 45:59
  that kind, but I also like the style of Republican squer, which were
• 46:04
  the ones who lost. We say, gentlemen, we' ve lost,
• 46:07
  we' ve totally lost. It was curious to see the statements of citizens
• 46:13
  with carrizosa who disappeared completely, who did not even take out for pipes and,
• 46:17
  instead, were without feathers and pooping. And instead, the appearance of
• 46:22
  Aragonese and if we have not lost, we have done it very badly.
• 46:24
  I mean, we haven' t managed to convince anyone, or be fatal,
• 46:28
  we' re going to the opposition. This is an appearance of someone
• 46:31
  honored, someone to say has to be lost like this and seeing her has
• 46:37
  to be won like that. Even the participation of Alberto Fernández in his statements
• 46:43
  later seemed totally different to the statements, for example, of Feijo and those
• 46:49
  that are uploaded. I see Pepe in other parts of Spain trying to get
• 46:52
  close to the box style and trying to beat him. Instead, the appearance
• 46:58
  in Catalonia of Pepe was very dignified. So that style is another way of
• 47:04
  doing politics that the Catalans have to recover, because it had been something very
• 47:07
  own. In Catalonia there has always been political debate. As there has to
• 47:12
  be, there have to be different options, posing different forms of government,
• 47:16
  different ways of understanding reality. But understanding must never be lost, because then
• 47:21
  we need to agree with people. It is that in Catalonia, as well
• 47:25
  as at a time when there were many autonomous parliaments with two blue and red
• 47:30
  parties. There have always been seven or eight here, we have always had
• 47:34
  a lot and of course, here, without understanding it is very difficult to
• 47:37
  govern. Of course it may seem pretentious, because they listen to us in
• 47:43
  other parts of Spain. But I have a more Spanishistic view in general moderately
• 47:49
  and I understand Catalan aspirations, for example, and I am already a man
• 47:57
  who understands Catalanism. It is but it is Catalanist, and that makes it
• 48:02
  very well connected with certain demands of independence. And you have to understand Catalan
• 48:09
  culture and aspirations, which are just and legitimate in many cases you understand that
• 48:16
  ' s what you don' t understand is from other parts of Spain and
• 48:22
  then there' s the issue. But now I' m going to say
• 48:25
  something and it may seem pretentious and I say it from that I' ve
• 48:29
  confessed like I have. I have a Spanishist vision of the but I understand
• 48:34
  very well the Catalan alma mater and I am Catalan, that of the Catalan
• 48:38
  jumps, but I am Catalan and it is the culture of Catalan talent with
• 48:46
  each other, for example, Salvadorilla has demonstrated it with squire, Junes has
• 48:52
  demonstrated it with squire, that well, they have agreed the same, but
• 48:55
  they have let rule. They have let rule. They didn' t put
• 48:59
  sticks on the wheels that was their competitor. After all, we leave the
• 49:02
  government of generality to leave alone is queerra, it is that it continues to
• 49:08
  govern and already makes pacts and agreements and there are budgets and everything, and
• 49:14
  to the commons it also means that taranade of the culture of understanding and not
• 49:20
  in plan frank Estéi, no, not in plan. I see it more
• 49:23
  authentically here, me, that tarana. It seems very correct to me,
• 49:30
  it seems very elegant to me. Another thing is that there are things that
• 49:34
  have been done wrong. This is already a judgment of political value. But
• 49:38
  the taraná the attitude that we have here in that sense, I see it
• 49:44
  in a few parts of Spain, in very few parts of other autonomous communities.
• 49:47
  I have to say it and some, today there is a broader understanding
• 49:53
  than there was before. But, for example, in the Basque Country there
• 49:58
  is the Basque National List Party, a Basque nationalist right- wing party.
• 50:02
  Today there is BILDU, which is an independence party, a radical left party
• 50:08
  and there are no insults between them. And then there' s the PESOE
• 50:15
  and then there' s the BPÉ. And people live together in the Basque
• 50:17
  Country and I think it is not only Catalonia, but there are other places
• 50:22
  in Spain where there is a level of dialogue between people very different that I
• 50:30
  think we have to copy, because we have to aspire to coexistence in a
• 50:35
  society advances when it is able to put the majority of its population to work
• 50:39
  in a direction, when we do not put people to work and put them
• 50:44
  in opposite directions, This does not prosper, that is, it does not
• 50:50
  advance that territory. And we have to get to big deals. We have
• 50:53
  to get there a number of things that are above what political discussion is,
• 50:58
  which is lawful to have different political opinions, but there is one thing that
• 51:04
  is superior, which is the good of the population. And then, if
• 51:07
  we don' t aspire to this, then that' s bad government.
• 51:09
  It' s the kind of government that' s sinking countries that themselves are
• 51:15
  their own enemy. And we Spaniards have to think about this, that is,
• 51:17
  think about what kind of country we want, what kind of society we
• 51:22
  want, because we have to build and we have to reject those who are
• 51:28
  not for building a society of understanding. Not where differences are respected, because
• 51:34
  differences are lawful, they are legitimate. I think it' s reasonable to
• 51:38
  be right, to be right, and I think it' s reasonable to
• 51:42
  be leftist I think it' s reasonable to think that you have to give
• 51:46
  the private sector maximum freedom, because this will push the country and I think
• 51:51
  that then the emphasis of the left, that you have to correct the things
• 51:55
  that the market spoils, because the market left to its free will. It
• 51:59
  turns out that this sees things and produces very important inequalities. I think they
• 52:02
  are both right, therefore, to cooperate within those. People will choose in
• 52:09
  elections that this time they have to rule the right or this time they have
• 52:14
  to rule the left. What should not have space is disqualification. Which shouldn
• 52:19
  ' t have spaces for moral destruction. On the contrary, what should not
• 52:22
  have space is political ruin. I think that we have to let go of
• 52:28
  that and it depends on the citizens. When we go to some elections,
• 52:30
  we have to punish the scoundrels and we have to reward those who have that
• 52:36
  kind of understanding they have. They are before building from their perspective, legitimate
• 52:42
  perspective, but what should not take place is the space for that call to
• 52:46
  the ultra- right and ultra- left, those ultras who want to push
• 52:51
  us into the abyss and I think that is what we should not reward.
• 52:57
  What is advocated is that there will be a political relay in Spain sung independently
• 53:04
  and perhaps for wear and tear, not just for so many things that have
• 53:07
  happened. There' s going to be a political change in the next election
• 53:12
  contest. Sure, sure as hell not then. But what I would say
• 53:16
  is to have a much smarter policy, both towards Catalonia and towards the Basque
• 53:22
  Country, smarter if they rule on the right. If I was a feijo
• 53:28
  counselor, well, here' s Fernández, who' s a man.
• 53:30
  I ran into him. The memory a few months ago in a restaurant is
• 53:35
  we had a very pleasant talk as director of a pau Catalonia and such and
• 53:42
  seems to me a man with a pretty well furnished head. It' s
• 53:45
  right- wing, like the others are left- wing. Everyone is what
• 53:46
  they want, but it means to have. If I were a counselor to
• 53:52
  each other, I' d decide not to be so aggressive, not to
• 53:59
  be so acidic, to make against proposals, not to go around, to
• 54:02
  go another way. You understand and from Madrid, especially clear because, if
• 54:07
  we have the oscar bridge there and to the other side, others also that
• 54:10
  are at the grin of the constant grunt, of the constant replica. This
• 54:16
  is why it never ends. It' s the never- ending story.
• 54:19
  But in what you say about the entanglement of political life and disagreements with nationalism,
• 54:24
  we must work with more political intelligence in Catalonia and the Basque Country,
• 54:34
  from the two great parties. It is true that the political compound that Sánchez
• 54:37
  last made has been, has been brutal. But beyond that, beyond that,
• 54:45
  it is necessary that if that is done in a plane of serenity and
• 54:47
  in a terrain, say in another environment, for surely there would have been,
• 54:54
  there would have been blisters, but otherwise. But I mean, ideologists,
• 55:00
  engineers, socialists, wise men, wise men, we need them.
• 55:06
  We need them in politics, on the right and on the left. I
• 55:09
  think what we also need is to think in the longer term, that is,
• 55:14
  that insult and disgust give you immediate vows because you excite the lowest passions
• 55:20
  of people. Nationalism itself, centralist nationalism and extreme radical nationalism. What it
• 55:30
  produces are visceral passions. It does not produce reflection. You understand and I
• 55:37
  think that what we need is a little more reflection. But reflection demands not
• 55:43
  wanting to win three votes by instigating one against the other, because that is
• 55:47
  the vote for today. But we are building misery for tomorrow in all the
• 55:52
  Spanish parliaments in all. There' s going to be Basque nationalists, there
• 55:59
  ' s going to be Catalan nationalists, there' s going to be Galician
• 56:05
  nationalists in all parliaments and we' re going to have to understand each other.
• 56:07
  You can' t demonize those with whom you then have to give the
• 56:09
  vote, because in the end, if you don' t want to rule
• 56:14
  only with the extreme right, with the extreme left, you' re going
• 56:19
  to need moderate votes too and that requires longer- term policies, not just
• 56:25
  radical condemnations, not just demonizing those who are going to be there forever.
• 56:30
  Then it doesn' t generate anything. What policies should be done in Spain
• 56:35
  on education. In Spain we have an education that is very poorly considered within
• 56:40
  the PISA tests. We have our students with a very low level of competitiveness.
• 56:46
  This affects the country' s competitiveness, the competitiveness of enterprises, the
• 56:51
  competitiveness of what is export, what is the economy. Of course, we
• 56:57
  have very low students, so of course, these are things that need to
• 57:01
  be fixed. That' s stuff you have to work on. We have
• 57:06
  a completely obsolete transport system. What is happening these days in Catalonia is,
• 57:12
  in short, looking at one thing about all the wire thefts in Spain.
• 57:16
  More than fifty percent happen in Barcelona. Yes, if this is not tolerable,
• 57:22
  this is not tolerable chable, vain quotation clear this, this we have
• 57:25
  to treat every and every semp and every week and every week and every week,
• 57:30
  that is, every week on the twelfth day there was, but it
• 57:34
  is that the fourteenth and we were again with two days later, then,
• 57:38
  since the huge wire theft that has caused the chaos in Barcelona, that there
• 57:44
  was not a single train that could enter Barcelona, of course, after this
• 57:47
  there have been two more already then, but that was last Sunday. We
• 57:52
  are on Thursday and all have them in Lérida, the other in Barcelona,
• 57:57
  then, of course, but Barcelona gathers the fifty. This must provide solutions,
• 58:01
  because this affects the quality of real life of people who have to go
• 58:06
  to work in Barcelona every day, and this affects companies, because people do
• 58:09
  not get to work on time, people lose hours. So, of course,
• 58:15
  I think providing solutions this has to be worked on in the long term?
• 58:20
  This isn' t fixed in two days, but does this have to
• 58:22
  be worked on in the long run? Solutions in the Police, Solutions in
• 58:27
  the Metal Purchasing Market, because this is bought by very few people. There
• 58:31
  are no metal buyers on every street in Spain, but this is what buyers
• 58:36
  are buying this cable very concretely. You know something. This, wire theft,
• 58:40
  this is not even considered a crime. It' s just a larceny.
• 58:45
  If those people catch them, they' re gonna stand on the street
• 58:47
  the next day and steal more wires again. It' s the same people
• 58:52
  who are robbing it, stealing it every day and not even considering it a
• 58:55
  crime. So every think what this means that it has a huge affectation and
• 59:01
  has a minimal penalty. It' s wrong. This way you can'
• 59:07
  t fix the theft problem, the crime problem behind it. It' s
• 59:12
  a felony. All this has to be said because this does affect the real
• 59:16
  quality of life of people in our cities. Yes, we' re not
• 59:22
  succinctly addressing it, because it gives us so much of it, but it
• 59:29
  ' s real problems and we weren' t talking about the drought of the
• 59:34
  desabilizers that had to be already underway. But a lot and other issues,
• 59:37
  both regional as it is in the national hydrological water issue. That has to
• 59:45
  be done in order for there to be other bases, but well designed or
• 59:52
  not abusing others in emergencies. This was not done It was not done.
• 1:00:00
  It started sometime in Asnar' s time. It seemed that the thing was
• 1:00:04
  going to take shape, but it was paralyzed and some people talked about it,
• 1:00:09
  they said it, they stopped saying it among everyone they killed her and
• 1:00:12
  she died alone. It means we' re in a water crisis. He
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  wants this to be another issue and there are a thousand issues like the issue
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  of public debt, that is, of course, he' s taking care
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  of everything. Come on, pull. We' re going to give the
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  gold and the Moor, because to get the subsidy culture of countries like Argentina,
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  Venezuela and such to keep the unions and such that they are the living
• 1:00:37
  ones of power, no, no, don' t listen, yes,
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  we' re going to raise the mentions, we' re going to do
• 1:00:45
  what, but we' re going to rationalize things and we' re going
• 1:00:47
  to look for other sources of income. I mean, there' s so
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  much to do. There' s so much to do. Do well,
• 1:00:52
  well done, but we' ll see, we' ll see what happens
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  in the national courtyard. But we have now notice, we have a date
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  that God by good is week. I' m doing Curro Jiménez Road.
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  I say I always do the Route of this Sancho Panza Don Quixote, but
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  this is Corro Jiménez. I have to go to Andalusia, but then immediately
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  I go to Madrid to meet Parliament and faith which is an interesting European convention.
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  They come in people who are already involved in politics or have a very
• 1:01:35
  close approach to politics and let' s see there are panels there. Let
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  us also see that I would like to hear what input people who have political
• 1:01:45
  roles in Europe or who have a very close approach from the Christian world view
• 1:01:52
  have. I really liked it with this. It goes very well with what
• 1:02:00
  you are saying the statements made by the Secretary General of the Alliance and Spanish
• 1:02:05
  Bancalica, Manuel Suárez, in this line of defusing the quarrel, that we
• 1:02:10
  also make a contribution, although it also makes the thing a little hot sometimes,
• 1:02:15
  but we do have to defuse the quarrel and we have to give ourselves
• 1:02:20
  a little more room, no but to appeal to the political class, this
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  in a direct way and this seems also wise to me, and you were
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  saying it. I think it ratifies what Manuel Suárez was also saying. We
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  will see in this forum of Parliament and faith that in Madrid it is on
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  the twenty twentieth days in the afternoon to the inauguration, twenty- one and
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  twenty- two also and well, we will listen. I want to probe
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  an active listening, see what' s cooking between us and we' re
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  going on or off, because sometimes there' s also some nonsense out there
• 1:03:04
  that you see. But there is also an interesting worldviews of some parties,
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  such as the Party in Holland, the Christian Party, the Democratic Party that
• 1:03:13
  made the Christian Democratic Party Christian, which is a very responsible party and has
• 1:03:20
  exercised a very positive influence. Let' s see, I don' t
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  know if you have knowledge of the Convention of Parliament and little faith, but
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  yes they called me also to be, I can' t, but what
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  I would like is for Christians to make positive contributions, that is, in
• 1:03:45
  the face of the situation one may be all expressions with c Can' t
• 1:03:50
  just condemn, or one can just criticize. That is very easy to condemn
• 1:03:53
  everything, to say that everything is very wrong, that everything is horrible,
• 1:03:58
  or to criticize to sit to say this evil, this evil. This is
• 1:04:01
  the simple part. There is another part that also does not collaborate too much,
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  which is the part of copying, that is, what others do that
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  we do the same. And this does not bring anything new to society,
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  because that is what is already being said. We repeat it and I think
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  we have to have an original thought, a unique thought. From the Christian
• 1:04:26
  worldview. I think Jesus did one thing that you notice that he did not
• 1:04:32
  get involved in the sense of being a king of his time. When they
• 1:04:38
  wanted to take him to do so, king, Jesus disappeared. He totally
• 1:04:43
  disappeared. He was not of this world. But, however, the proposals
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  he made, the proposals of the Kingdom of God, have a huge impact
• 1:04:53
  on society, because they are proposals that have to do with relations for the
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  reconstruction of relations. One of the problems is the breakdown of relationships in a
• 1:05:03
  society and we all that is not relational cannot justify it. We must go
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  on to improve relations between people, relations between people and each other in the
• 1:05:15
  workplace, relations in political places, relations in Parliament, because all this has
• 1:05:18
  an impact and produces long- term changes. Therefore, we think from a
• 1:05:28
  relational worldview, this produces results, produces concrete measures that in the end are
• 1:05:35
  different where I think we have to create culture. That' s our part.
• 1:05:41
  It is the faith he lacks, which is neither to criticize, condemn,
• 1:05:45
  nor copy, but is the c of creation. To create culture is
• 1:05:49
  to make new proposals from a perspective, not to join the voices of the
• 1:05:55
  quarrel on one side and on the other. If there' s a million
• 1:05:58
  people screaming and you' re a christile that you add to those voices,
• 1:06:02
  screaming you' re a million one you have no impact on. But when
• 1:06:05
  we formulate proposals that are different from that relational worldview, which is the worldview
• 1:06:12
  that is in the depth of writing, I think that there we have something
• 1:06:16
  to say. We need to measure the impact of the measures being proposed today.
• 1:06:23
  What impact it' s going to have if it' s going to
• 1:06:27
  improve relationships or what it' s going to do is it' s going
• 1:06:30
  to worsen relational quality. That' s why we defend issues like family.
• 1:06:33
  Not to defend the family simply because they are conservative, but because we think
• 1:06:38
  that family relationships are the closest that a person sustains, they are the ones
• 1:06:43
  that sustain him when he is in a crisis situation. And, therefore,
• 1:06:46
  that is something that the State cannot do. But sometimes what the state does
• 1:06:50
  is dynamite the foundations of the family. And when he does that, he
• 1:06:58
  ' s leaving people completely unprotected. Who will take care of the children of
• 1:07:05
  broken families, Who will take care of the elderly in families where everyone goes
• 1:07:11
  to their ball. We' re going to have to spend millions of public
• 1:07:16
  money to compensate for the injuries that have been inflicted on children from broken families.
• 1:07:20
  We' re going to have to spend a lot of money on corporate
• 1:07:24
  care to seniors. And, of course, these are things that cover up
• 1:07:31
  the real problem, which is that our families have worsened, therefore, everything
• 1:07:35
  that can benefit and favor. To that we are generating social structures that support
• 1:07:42
  people' s lives. And I think that' s why that Christian thought,
• 1:07:47
  which is relational, is not the family for the family, but the
• 1:07:51
  family because the family is a God' s design that works that, in
• 1:07:56
  the end, is the one that provides support structures for people in society,
• 1:08:00
  for our young people, for our children, for women, for everyone who
• 1:08:04
  is in a situation of weakness. That facilitates a power structure, so to
• 1:08:11
  speak what empowers. This is precisely a solid, sober relationship that really sustains
• 1:08:17
  a society. Yes, sir, what our listeners realize that in the public
• 1:08:23
  square, from a Christian worldview, we would need men, as Marcos Zapata,
• 1:08:29
  Manuel Suárez, already full voices. I put, Pedro Tarquís, because
• 1:08:36
  not also I if they were in that square of my would encourage with them,
• 1:08:42
  because they must also be voices, in many cases of anti- dissenting
• 1:08:45
  and in others, but of with a good tarana and with proposals and deepening
• 1:08:53
  and sailing, sailing, sailing and dismantling also the social lies, argumentally and
• 1:09:00
  also with elegance. No, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:09:05
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:09:05
  no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:09:05
  No, although the truth is that there are so many things that are
• 1:09:11
  scandalous, that we are already very excited, but I am referring to the
• 1:09:17
  idea of being able to do things with dignity. Well, we' ll
• 1:09:20
  see. Nor do we want there to be a political representation in Spain that
• 1:09:25
  makes fools no and then what, and then it' s a duck that
• 1:09:30
  that too, because it would leave us for very bad expectations. But good.
• 1:09:34
  Having said that, I think there are many points that we have made.
• 1:09:39
  This gives much more of itself, my dear friend, and I thank
• 1:09:41
  you as always that we will miss you, at least on this occasion.
• 1:09:45
  You' ve come again to lie to faith and not be able to be.
• 1:09:47
  But this European call, this Convention, because Mira, it seems to
• 1:09:51
  me that we will cooperate and listen actively. How he' s gonna do
• 1:10:00
  oriol now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, then, dear friend,
• 1:10:05
  I thank you very much. Yauma, I don' t know if
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  you want to say anything in view of the groups of biblical graduates of graduates
• 1:10:15
  that you find interesting. I can say, for example, that this summer
• 1:10:18
  we are going to have one more edition of the political training summer camp.
• 1:10:25
  We also have very good summer school politics for young college students and then we
• 1:10:33
  will have one more edition. There will be Manuelo Suárez, José Moreno Berrocal,
• 1:10:39
  who is the president of the Theology Commission of the Evangelical Alliance. I
• 1:10:45
  ' m going to be in biblical apart too. I' m going to
• 1:10:48
  touch on Martin Luther King' s appearance as a person who applied the contents
• 1:10:56
  of writing to the struggle for freedom and equality. So, how can we
• 1:11:01
  copy that, how can we apply scriptures to our environments to inform the struggle
• 1:11:09
  for freedom and equality in our environment. This is going to be my theme
• 1:11:13
  at summer school and good because we are going to have José Moreno Berrocal will
• 1:11:16
  play the part of recent years as the Church. He touches on the whole
• 1:11:20
  issue of how the Church has been connected with politics over the centuries and is
• 1:11:24
  going to touch on the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth centuries and the beginning of
• 1:11:29
  the twenty- first century. It is going to bring it up to date
• 1:11:30
  and see what the lines are and how the Church has to learn from the
• 1:11:34
  past, because it has been relating to politics for seventeen centuries and what we
• 1:11:40
  can learn in the 21st century from how it has done throughout history. No
• 1:11:43
  manolo is going to play very practical topics as well so it' s a
• 1:11:46
  summer camp. It' s full, you can' t aspire to anyone
• 1:11:49
  anymore. I' m saying this so no one else can sign up but
• 1:11:54
  it' s full. But by don it' s going to be,
• 1:11:56
  or it' s going to be where it' s going to be this
• 1:12:00
  time in an olive grove near Priego, Córdoba, Carambas. If now every
• 1:12:03
  year it fills up quickly about two or three days ago, then there is
• 1:12:10
  no more. If you remember and even more this initiative. When we had
• 1:12:15
  a few meetings several evangelical leaders in Madrid, we had a two three encounters,
• 1:12:23
  we were creating as an answer when there was the topic of the eleven
• 1:12:29
  me, of the fifteen forgiveness that was born we can and company, but
• 1:12:34
  that there was a desire for democratic regeneration and all that after it has been
• 1:12:39
  left in a piphia, but at least suddenly it gave the stick and we,
• 1:12:45
  as a civic current, were doing a reflection and from there was born
• 1:12:47
  the idea of a summer school, of formation of the people, with vocation
• 1:12:53
  of future for the public life, the life that are needed because and this
• 1:12:58
  is already taking place some years ago and I think it will be because perhaps
• 1:13:05
  in this imminent generation we can have in intermediate places, but also in the
• 1:13:13
  councils, that there are already some Christian councillors, of course, mayors that
• 1:13:17
  touch the citizenship more closely are those who work with the citizenry and then representatives.
• 1:13:23
  I believe that all this in this decade we can already see a little
• 1:13:27
  bit the outcome of those summer schools, true a decade and there are some
• 1:13:33
  that are in places of very high responsibility, in companies, in administration and
• 1:13:40
  so on and so on. We believe that good foundations that have passed through
• 1:13:43
  there for three years, at least something has been able to gather from what
• 1:13:46
  the scriptures say, from what history teaches, from practice, because they are
• 1:13:50
  taught aspects as relevant as how a bill is analyzed from a cricine perspective,
• 1:13:56
  what to do, how the analysis works, what question is so, how
• 1:14:00
  to access political parties, what kind of structures the parties have end things absolutely
• 1:14:04
  practical. No, yes, yes. What good? What good? Well,
• 1:14:12
  my friend sends you a virtual hug, but very affectionate. Likewise Julio,
• 1:14:16
  also always, always. Chao yauma, ladies and gentlemen, it'
• 1:14:24
  s good that we can be here talking to jaun tomorrows and now we'
• 1:14:30
  re going to continue with Dr Rocca. There' s the patient relationship in
• 1:14:34
  a very interesting patient doctor. Don' t miss this conversation, very,
• 1:14:38
  very interesting. And then Victor Mirón, also director of spa for grandparents only,
• 1:14:45
  is going to have spas here in Castelle de Fels, in the restaurant
• 1:14:53
  imperfect on Friday twenty- four at six o' clock in the afternoon.
• 1:14:59
  There' s still room, there' s still some room, but virtually
• 1:15:02
  they' ll be able to follow it as well. If you want,
• 1:15:04
  you will listen to Victor Mirón, who will put us in detail. It
• 1:15:09
  is about the relationship, emotional and affective bond between grandparents and grandchildren in charge
• 1:15:16
  of the doctor in psychology and also master in family therapy, as is Pedro
• 1:15:21
  San Jaime, my good friend Pedro and also who is in turn the director
• 1:15:26
  of vision to live Spain. But before I leave you now with them,
• 1:15:30
  I tell you that I have my book here traveling on the train of life.
• 1:15:36
  It' s already available. I see that there are many friends who
• 1:15:41
  are acquiring it that way. I think they' re gonna enjoy it.
• 1:15:45
  It' s a book not just to enjoy for themselves. It is a
• 1:15:49
  book by a servant, Julio Pérez, temporary reflections for an eternal destiny,
• 1:15:55
  but it is also a book that can be given to people who are not
• 1:16:00
  deliberately believers or who have an approach to faith from any angle, even if
• 1:16:05
  it is not confessional, because I am sure they will like it. It
• 1:16:14
  ' s a very mature workbook traveling on the train of life. About the
• 1:16:18
  thirty- two years of this train, traveling fifty reflections in six different stations
• 1:16:24
  by blocks, and there it is. The book has a cost of fifteen
• 1:16:30
  euros and this is a contribution to help us in the Pazo wave radio project
• 1:16:35
  in a pau Catalonia and the Life Train that has been traveling for many years.
• 1:16:40
  Therefore, that is what we offer with great pleasure. I thank you
• 1:16:45
  in advance. You can get on the Amazon platform and traveling it will have
• 1:16:49
  Amazon life if you have Amazon Prime, because they will send it to you
• 1:16:55
  for free, but nothing. The cost is minimal and you can order it
• 1:16:58
  on the Amazon platform and enjoy it, give it away. I assure you,
• 1:17:02
  well, you' ll see. I loved it so much. Binding
• 1:17:04
  is super well done. I have to thank my good friend, writer,
• 1:17:11
  writer, wonderful, by the way, MiguelÁngel Acebal, pastor of the
• 1:17:15
  charismatic mission here in Barcelona. Well, that got me a well designed thing,
• 1:17:24
  the text and the work, because it has made a server and the
• 1:17:27
  ideas, also those and the covers and counterportadas my good friend Alejandro Molina,
• 1:17:32
  that is magnificent the suggestion, because there is that. Let' s go
• 1:17:36
  for the second interview and enjoy them on the life train ok a two three,
• 1:17:55
  because I was taught that everything is possible. If I can believe that
• 1:18:08
  on the mountain, on my way we can move with a grain of per
• 1:18:15
  that the storm my housewife falls because you are biea that everything is possible.
• 1:18:26
  If I can believe or say that I' m taught that your hand can
• 1:18:40
  all solve, that nothing can eat me why you gave him without the abnjo
• 1:18:50
  of I will not be afraid or he can overcome hear of it all ossible
• 1:19:14
  if I can live you. I want you not to meet with me,
• 1:19:19
  it' s still goal friend, just tell me where and I' ll
• 1:19:25
  chase you to the moon and the sun because they' re do with your
• 1:19:27
  favor. Your way gets better and I can feel that love. Stay safe
• 1:19:32
  or I don' t see you I believe you I' m still walking.
• 1:19:34
  I was dependent on your love. If you leave my side, thank
• 1:19:38
  you, no further, I' m on your own, then your favor.
• 1:19:40
  I have a friend to me I really have a friend who doesn'
• 1:19:44
  t miss me anymore. I have a friend who loves me the more that
• 1:19:49
  little girl loves me. They taught me that you are possible, yes,
• 1:19:54
  I can believe that on the mountain on my way you can move with a
• 1:20:01
  grain of faith. There' s a storm in my houseman' s face
• 1:20:14
  because you' re faithful, that anything is possible, yes, I can
• 1:20:17
  believe it. Othame give me go, Lord give me faith, for there
• 1:20:43
  are chains that do not, for your story. You every day and every
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  hour, Dame, we' ve been remembering the use of the flashers for
• 1:21:00
  years. It is a basic rule of road safety, a rule of coexistence,
• 1:21:05
  a tool that prevents accidents. But today there are still many drivers who
• 1:21:13
  do not use them properly on the road. Meeting the rules of movement can
• 1:21:16
  save our lives. Use the flashers. Directorate- General for Traffic, Ministry
• 1:21:23
  of the Interior, Government of Spain. You can send your message through our
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  Facebook, through our Facebook, entering between its double- point see the train
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  of life, point is, the train of life, point is. Remember
• 1:21:40
  that in this way you collaborate with us tell us your impressions, ask us
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  and participate actively. We want to meet you, we want to meet you
• 1:21:53
  enter our website three or month doubles, point the train of life, point
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  is and follow us through Facebook, through defined. Gentlemen, we are in
• 1:22:18
  direct line with Dr Roca' s consultation and in his consultation in sardanol,
• 1:22:25
  here in the metropolitan area of Barcelona, and we have him, therefore,
• 1:22:30
  online to talk to him always. It is always interesting to talk to the
• 1:22:34
  other Rock, especially because he is our family doctor, not this great family
• 1:22:40
  of the train of life in so many cities and in so many places that
• 1:22:45
  they take very good note and some say galle. If I could be so
• 1:22:46
  close to Barcelona, I would go to see the good rock doctor, but
• 1:22:51
  those who are nearby can take advantage of it later We will give data from
• 1:23:00
  his medical consultation so that they can enjoy and take advantage of his good offices,
• 1:23:09
  because we are talking today about the medical patient relationship and of course we
• 1:23:15
  also relate it a little bit to the current conflict in public health. Of
• 1:23:15
  course, the doctors are oversaturated with me. The other day I went to
• 1:23:24
  pick up a prescription for my doctor, who is a good doctor. Only
• 1:23:29
  for that I occasionally went and the truth was that I noticed her nervous because
• 1:23:38
  she had done me an analysis too and then the issue noticed her nervous,
• 1:23:46
  but I noticed her nervous about the number of people that and she is a
• 1:23:55
  very good doctor and clear and I noticed that this makes doctors nervous. Well,
• 1:23:59
  let' s talk to the other rock he knows. He knows a
• 1:24:01
  lot about this because he' s been a social city doctor for many years.
• 1:24:04
  Now it has its own consultation and, of course, it rationalizes the
• 1:24:10
  visits more because with the other rok it is as long as it takes.
• 1:24:14
  And well it is those who know him, Dr Rocca, dear friend,
• 1:24:21
  Good morning, Hello, Good morning or July, Good day the relationship is
• 1:24:27
  already everyone, in the first place, the relationship patient doctor, but more
• 1:24:32
  perhaps in the second place, because maybe we start at the end. The
• 1:24:39
  end is a little bit of I refer to today' s topic, the
• 1:24:45
  topic of social interest. It is this strike that there are of the doctors
• 1:24:50
  here, as you can see, as there is in other parts of Spain,
• 1:24:55
  due to the saturation of the big capitals, fundamentally and good in the
• 1:25:00
  small ones, sometimes of markings, also the lack of medical resources. It
• 1:25:06
  ' s necessary here. It is said that two hundred new doctors have to
• 1:25:12
  be hired, but there are also so many available in the market for medical
• 1:25:17
  offers. What paradoxes, what' s the real problem with what' s
• 1:25:21
  going on. The problem comes from years. Dear July. The problem was
• 1:25:26
  to be seen by the collective of doctors in different provinces, Barcelona outside of
• 1:25:32
  Catalonia. We have also been presenting complaints to the administration, to the different
• 1:25:40
  administrations, because, well, it is one of the first healings in the
• 1:25:45
  world, because we have been falling steps in that assessment. And it'
• 1:25:51
  s not because our professionals have asked for training. Quite the opposite. You
• 1:25:56
  know that doctors are always recycling us and s s cluso s that we are
• 1:26:00
  already a certain age. We continue as children and to school, that is,
• 1:26:03
  always preparing to have an updated knowledge as optimal as possible. But the
• 1:26:11
  administration has not played fair, it has not played well its cards, it
• 1:26:15
  has taken advantage of the good faith that that abounds in the medical class.
• 1:26:19
  And a moment has come, because there has been the gout, that has
• 1:26:23
  overflowed the glass and that I understand perfectly to my elementary school colleagues that they
• 1:26:30
  are overloaded, saturated, as you said very rightly of the doctor premiered why,
• 1:26:35
  because there is an overload of work and to see this, it is
• 1:26:41
  not about making nuts. And with all due respect to my making nuts.
• 1:26:45
  If a nut goes wrong, then the good price is thrown away, the
• 1:26:49
  economic priority and the time spent will not be so great. But a human
• 1:26:55
  being is not a nut. A human being can' t throw himself away.
• 1:26:58
  A human being has his dignity, requires his time and the doctor'
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  s brain has a lot of information. We are people who accumulate throughout our
• 1:27:06
  studies and our provial life, a lot of information. But you have to
• 1:27:12
  find it good in the equation for the patient that we have in front of
• 1:27:15
  us, and that takes time. You have to think about it. We
• 1:27:17
  ' re not a computer, we' re human beings, both patients and
• 1:27:23
  doctors. We need to perceive ourselves in the sense of what happens to my
• 1:27:28
  patient. And when I say what happens to him, I mean the body
• 1:27:31
  and the soul that I say to the mind, to the conduct, to
• 1:27:35
  the feeling and, obviously, with the time available in consultations. It'
• 1:27:41
  s terrible. I remember when I was visiting in his social life, well
• 1:27:45
  on a morning dear Julio. I remember tomorrow, one morning, from nine
• 1:27:49
  o' clock in the morning until two o' clock in the afternoon they
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  passed in front of me. I dare not say that I visited them,
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  but I remember my record was in one hundred and twenty- seven patients to
• 1:28:03
  see you put a hand in your heart and tell me outside the fifteen minutes
• 1:28:10
  of the coffee mediamatana. There are fifteen twenty minutes, which is what I
• 1:28:13
  usually use to how much you touch per patient. Well, and I was
• 1:28:17
  kidding my patients, I was saying good to see you don' t even
• 1:28:21
  think about taking off a sock because you' re ruining my office, you
• 1:28:27
  ' re breaking my pace, and in the end we knew and said to
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  see the throats raise their hands. Of course that' s ridiculous and the
• 1:28:32
  administration talks about quality, but it lies like beauty where quality is, where
• 1:28:38
  it is. What is there is the economy, the economy in cuts and
• 1:28:43
  cuts and fortifications, but it is a cursed economy, because that is a
• 1:28:46
  damage to health, it is a damage to the user, for the so
• 1:28:53
  they always fill their mouths with the rights of the user, but then they
• 1:28:56
  do not respect the user and well, either the professional or I tell you.
• 1:28:59
  It' s not a total paranoia. And finally, because it is
• 1:29:03
  exploited and exploited in all intensity and wait. They have joined specialists, they
• 1:29:09
  have joined university professors, number of university professors from all the mess we have
• 1:29:15
  with alternatives. You know that this is also in a process because, well,
• 1:29:21
  I don' t know what this Mr Sánchez has put in the Ministry,
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  that they' ve put a group of interns, but he forgot to
• 1:29:30
  put firefighters, that is, they' re reaching out to people who aren
• 1:29:33
  ' t doctors, who have no idea, who are talking as if they
• 1:29:36
  knew and know us. And the professionals don' t tell us anything at
• 1:29:40
  all. We' re sick of sending letters from medical societies. You'
• 1:29:44
  re also a doctor who says I' m Secretary- General. We'
• 1:29:46
  ve e- mailed the lady Dinists to the Ministry asking for an audience and
• 1:29:53
  what they' re doing today, two or two or deaf. This is
• 1:29:55
  there and then they surround themselves with non- Merica people, who are surely
• 1:30:00
  in their interest, pharmaceuticals that do suit them and are humping and pardoning everyone,
• 1:30:06
  the patient first and the professional as well. Of course it' s
• 1:30:12
  a social state situation. I hope that from this chaos finally comes order that
• 1:30:17
  someone really with common sense and noses not to say anything else, because put
• 1:30:23
  a point on the table and it starts to resolve and it starts to resolve
• 1:30:27
  in the autonomies and it starts to resolve in Madrid, because this is all
• 1:30:30
  a chain. We do not have to turn to Europe, because that is
• 1:30:34
  what we are going to be doing. We are already doing this by turning
• 1:30:38
  to Europe as if here the people we vote for as politicians would jump them
• 1:30:45
  on condition that they have no common sense, not to say brains, and
• 1:30:48
  that they really solve the problem of the population. All they do is enlarge
• 1:30:51
  it. To increase it, to enlarge it on the basis of what I
• 1:30:57
  say these gentlemen, on the basis of how clear in the frivolity of politicians
• 1:31:03
  with regard to some social issues, for example, as this is, because
• 1:31:08
  of course, this is a domino effect because all this is happening throughout the
• 1:31:11
  state. The issue is impressive because I imagine the whole, for example,
• 1:31:19
  the President of the Government and all his Ministers sitting in one I would like
• 1:31:27
  to imagine them sitting in an ambulatory, waiting for them to be touched,
• 1:31:33
  instead of having their private doctors, that they would go through the ring and
• 1:31:40
  then see them do it, that they would all go, that socialist friends
• 1:31:45
  are so exemplifying now, that they will go and see that they experience and
• 1:31:51
  that they will hear people and that they will perceive the atmosphere, as I
• 1:31:55
  perceived nothing the other day, that I was there for a while. But,
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  obviously, because for a while, I didn' t have enough time,
• 1:32:04
  even though I had my time, but it took a while. But
• 1:32:09
  the point is that doctors are rationally asking for a minimum consultation per patient of
• 1:32:16
  twelve minutes, ten minutes would be at least, of course, because two
• 1:32:21
  minutes, five minutes. Some of me see it that good doctors, because
• 1:32:25
  they can' t resist it and spend as much time as they do.
• 1:32:30
  There' s still a queue left, that gets to the street, because
• 1:32:32
  what they want to do the job, they don' t want to dehumanize
• 1:32:35
  medicine. And then there' s this. No and then twenty- eight
• 1:32:44
  visits a day, which is a lot, even a lot of twenty-
• 1:32:49
  eight visits a day using in- depth, which is clear when you know
• 1:32:54
  what it' s like to talk to people and talk about things in another
• 1:32:59
  order, you hear that people are not machines. Nor is it clear then
• 1:33:02
  just the claim being made, Of course yes, very fair. Yes,
• 1:33:06
  in that sense it is fair and in the other as well. Dear Julio,
• 1:33:11
  why, because, notice, we are not going to enter into comparison
• 1:33:15
  of salaries between Spain and Switzerland, that we could do this and you saw
• 1:33:20
  astronomical differences, yes, but simply to earn a salary that is worthy to
• 1:33:26
  be able to maintain, because a standard of living that is right in a
• 1:33:30
  professional, be a school teacher, whether a walker or a doctor, that
• 1:33:34
  is indifferent. But to earn a salary from the work of one who is
• 1:33:41
  worthy and with the cuts you know the tijeretactos, because they have been tractijeretas,
• 1:33:48
  because that global salary has been exercised, reduced and in the end we
• 1:33:55
  are all at the limits of poverty. That' s good. Everyone'
• 1:33:59
  s not staying. If you' re a politician, I don' t
• 1:34:01
  think so, since you have the right to raise your salary and earn whatever
• 1:34:05
  comes out of that place, that one has no problem. But they'
• 1:34:10
  re giving us pensioners, workers, professionals. A situation to but careful.
• 1:34:15
  We have to pay taxes, we have to pay and RPS, we have
• 1:34:19
  to pay social security, we have to pay highways, we have to pay
• 1:34:23
  food. I mean. It is a situation that you say well that the
• 1:34:28
  political gentlemen so that we vote to you if we can say goodbye and we
• 1:34:32
  organize ourselves much better and we will do much better with a gesture than with
• 1:34:36
  all of you, because they are acting in a totally irrational way and the
• 1:34:44
  country is there is that you look, dear, Jewish, everything is the
• 1:34:47
  same is today a regret to this attitude of mine today I am a little
• 1:34:51
  apocalyptic and I do not know good. The game is within a constant struggle.
• 1:34:58
  We' re on the phone. Practically yesterday I was hung up on
• 1:35:01
  the phone also with different radio stations. Surely you hear of programs that have
• 1:35:06
  been recorded and that are going to take these days in later days because of
• 1:35:11
  all this movement that we are living. Good health doctors in general, especially
• 1:35:15
  in pharmaceutical doctors in this country. Of course, of course it affects you,
• 1:35:21
  it affects you very directly and the users, the patients, of course,
• 1:35:27
  and this will have been details dear July, yesterday, not before yesterday,
• 1:35:31
  sorry, it makes yesterday morning I talked to the Department of Medicines of
• 1:35:35
  Maternal Health because to a patient who visited Monday afternoon, the woman is a
• 1:35:41
  woman who has hypertension is working very well already for time with a medicine and
• 1:35:45
  suddenly the medicine stops being in pharmacies. I looked at him in the famous
• 1:35:55
  ford Mecum that we have the doctors who are now on the Internet. We
• 1:35:58
  have it on the Internet so that it is absolutely up to date and I
• 1:36:03
  see that the medicine is still there. It was an incongruity. Then choose
• 1:36:06
  the lady I say look don' t worry about management tomorrow morning Tuesday or
• 1:36:11
  I call health and find out. Well, the next day I kept my
• 1:36:16
  promise and me to healing and Melis does say yes if not. The medicine
• 1:36:19
  is not withdrawn. Doctor, the medicine in what happens is that the laboratory,
• 1:36:27
  because it has not done enough and then there is shortage to see shortage
• 1:36:35
  of an important medicine for the control of hypertension. You can believe it.
• 1:36:43
  I was hallucinating. I was hallucinating good, and sometimes they send us.
• 1:36:46
  We have to send patients to a department called foreign medicines, because the medicine
• 1:36:51
  is no longer made in Spain temporarily, of course, because it is worth
• 1:36:57
  two euros here anyway. But at the end of the year, after putting
• 1:37:00
  many letters and many screams the medical collective, this medication is identically back in
• 1:37:05
  pharmacies. But at the value of thirty euros we are living this. Then
• 1:37:11
  these gentlemen must finish once and for all there must be enough supply, at
• 1:37:17
  least of the necessary drugs, and not that someone who is there earning the
• 1:37:23
  money he wants, doing absolutely nothing to look at how he can get more
• 1:37:28
  money out of Spanish society. So the rebound that Mexico has, as you
• 1:37:33
  can see, is immense. And of course, immense because, well,
• 1:37:38
  they' re playing with our children' s bread, as they say,
• 1:37:42
  clear, and with the health of the public, with the health of the
• 1:37:45
  people and they' re playing with the wolf- free, of course,
• 1:37:49
  and no one puts the rattle on them. Regarding this, Dr Roca,
• 1:37:51
  I read a fact that there are more than a thousand medicines that have been
• 1:37:59
  withdrawn, which are most needed medicines. I don' t know if the
• 1:38:04
  number was too high, but about a thousand drugs that have disappeared like this
• 1:38:14
  by the art of birlibirirlo of the pharmaceutical circulation and then you were talking about
• 1:38:19
  this one. But you see, that' s happening a lot. So,
• 1:38:23
  the ones we' ve been out for a few years July, out
• 1:38:28
  of a bitterness about the drug issue. In the social health departments there is
• 1:38:33
  a kind of forced forzap of the professional to prescribe the most economical that sometimes,
• 1:38:42
  because it is so economical that hardly if it has the medication. And
• 1:38:46
  then the patient realizes that I don' t work as another brand that has
• 1:38:49
  the right dosage, because there are tolerance margins in the manufacture and sale of
• 1:38:56
  medicines. And then, when one more drug is going to give, because
• 1:39:00
  since the margin is so many milligrams up or down, sometimes they' re
• 1:39:05
  down, then it doesn' t work well. And well, all of
• 1:39:10
  a sudden, when it' s an important drug we' ve been using
• 1:39:15
  with good results for years. And there' s a shortage and we have
• 1:39:20
  to make this story of asking for it from foreign drugs. Many times what
• 1:39:25
  there are simple letters and it is simply an eagerness to audit the price they
• 1:39:30
  generate all paleness. What we have lived not once, the last, two,
• 1:39:33
  three, twenty times. So we already know when a medicine comes,
• 1:39:39
  the patient says ay there is no longer one in the pharmacy already we suspect,
• 1:39:43
  we move. I often call for healing or call the lab and ask
• 1:39:46
  them directly no. No, no, yes, if the drug is still
• 1:39:50
  done, but look you there is shortage, that this word suits you very
• 1:39:55
  well, and then you have to send him to foreign drugs that there is
• 1:40:00
  h the winner and he is the poor patient going two years to the hospital
• 1:40:03
  area, looking for the drug he needs until he is back in pharmacy and
• 1:40:10
  then the price of the medicine has multiplied by eight, by ten, by
• 1:40:12
  twelve. Of course, that is immoral, but totally immoral. That'
• 1:40:16
  s debatable, it' s absolutely renounceable. Let' s say it clearly.
• 1:40:20
  It starts with having the best that practically one of the best public healings
• 1:40:30
  in the world. Now it turns out that little by little we are sliding
• 1:40:35
  towards the let' s say a Bolivarian or almost Venezuelan framework. It'
• 1:40:43
  s just not that much, but we' re going to end the Bolivarian
• 1:40:46
  revolution at this rate. This pacotilla that has the menda lerenda of Venezuela,
• 1:40:53
  that they don' t have, they don' t have anything at all
• 1:40:58
  and we' re there sending medicine, because he hears that in the end
• 1:41:02
  the Court of Vidal and they end up that they don' t know how
• 1:41:04
  good. I always say in our village, the Spanish people are a noble
• 1:41:10
  people. Let' s see, not perfect, because perfect is only God,
• 1:41:14
  but he is a noble people and a people who endure, who have
• 1:41:16
  patience. I always say to my patients, what a nice word. We
• 1:41:20
  don' t call you patients, the patience you have to have with us
• 1:41:26
  for the premos, so that, at least, we try. The Spanish
• 1:41:30
  people are an extraordinary people, but they also have a point, a point
• 1:41:34
  I think we have reached that point. We have started health care, but
• 1:41:42
  look at the reaction of the people, the vast majority of patients support this
• 1:41:45
  attitude because they know the reality, because, as you said, there are
• 1:41:50
  many people with chronic pathologies, with advanced ages, who spend hours and hours
• 1:41:55
  in outpatients to be attended by professionals. And sometimes, then, where there
• 1:42:00
  is an emergency situation, the problem is to take care of him because there
• 1:42:04
  is not enough staff and since these cuts no longer come from yesterday, but
• 1:42:08
  they come from years, what has happened to the medical population prepared and trained
• 1:42:13
  that has left the country and to many fellow close friends working in France,
• 1:42:18
  England, Germany, Switzerland, the United States and Canada, and also my
• 1:42:24
  students from the university who have had to emigrate to make a decent living,
• 1:42:28
  because here they have been closing plants, cutting down services lengthening queues and good
• 1:42:35
  what you said about being a country as a top health of the world'
• 1:42:41
  s first. We are already in the ranking thirty- so close and at
• 1:42:46
  forty there are fifth. That' s how we get off the table.
• 1:42:48
  Not anymore. I believe that there is a reaction from the population as well
• 1:42:54
  to be aware and to press it to move, because, ultimately, the
• 1:42:58
  doctors are moving for our rights, but also for yours, for the users.
• 1:43:02
  Of course you' re directly harmed. It is careful that doctors are
• 1:43:06
  also users, because we have pathologies and I look myself. I myself was
• 1:43:14
  surgically intervened last Friday at the Puts See clinic and at that time I was
• 1:43:20
  not a doctor, that was patient was the table of the Pyrophan and another
• 1:43:25
  doctor attended me, that is, that I am a user. We'
• 1:43:29
  re also users. We also see that there is and remains the best possible
• 1:43:33
  health that this Spanish people deserves. Sure, sure, well that' s
• 1:43:39
  where we' re at, we' re going to see if things are,
• 1:43:43
  of course, normalized, we' re going to dedicate the necessary games
• 1:43:47
  for this to be fixed, because this can create a social outburst, also
• 1:43:55
  of indignation and problems, because with the students it' s played and it
• 1:43:58
  ' s important. It is clear that the subject of medical patient like this
• 1:44:02
  is also a very interesting topic that I would like to reserve, because there
• 1:44:06
  are many interesting aspects, but look at the paradox, the speaking, the
• 1:44:12
  medicine, medicine is a means of care for human well- being, for
• 1:44:18
  the protection of people, for the care of people. It is a blessing,
• 1:44:25
  that a blessing in all its dimension. In that word, but I
• 1:44:30
  was thinking last night, I was at a solidarity dinner of compassion And well,
• 1:44:35
  we were talking about the poor of the world, the kids, the
• 1:44:38
  most precarious countries and all kinds of human problems, and I' m thinking
• 1:44:46
  about the need for good Samaritans. Sometimes we see in the doctors. We
• 1:44:53
  also see that figure is the good doctors, who are not few like you
• 1:44:58
  have said and doctors, of course, the good sabadito of the person,
• 1:45:03
  who assists, who cares for the well- being of the other, but
• 1:45:09
  also in human needs. I believe that when Jesus there in Luke' s
• 1:45:14
  Gospel. Chapter ten explains that parable of the Good Samaritan. Besides, he
• 1:45:19
  talks about someone who' s socially is out of state by others and he
• 1:45:26
  takes it. The least you can think of is the one who cares about
• 1:45:30
  him and takes him. He takes him to a place, to a house
• 1:45:32
  of mercy, almost to an inn. He cares to be cured, to
• 1:45:39
  be replenished, to pay all the cost of his convalescence and his diet and
• 1:45:45
  all that. We need good Samaritans. Good truth. The truth is that
• 1:45:50
  I do not cease to be surprised in the July period of the generosity of
• 1:45:56
  this Spanish people. Now we' re gonna check it again from the weekend.
• 1:45:59
  We are also the church committed to the great derailleur here or in the
• 1:46:04
  area. Well you see the generosity of people as it contributes, because they
• 1:46:12
  know that, although they are not left over, others are much worse and
• 1:46:16
  will contribute, therefore, a bag, something they can to help others more
• 1:46:23
  in need. And yes, there is a good Samaritan attitude in the Spanish
• 1:46:28
  people, especially in all the people, but especially in those who are or
• 1:46:32
  are dedicated to social work, let us be sanitary, let us be pastors,
• 1:46:41
  let us be social workers, that is, all those aspects. And
• 1:46:44
  that' s good. You know that extra mile thing. Yeah, whoever
• 1:46:50
  wants to carry your load put a mile, then go with him two.
• 1:46:55
  That extra mile, that extra mile, because it is something we see every
• 1:47:01
  day that there are people who go that extra mile, that extra step,
• 1:47:09
  that love of the unselfish neighbor and that many times, then, will lead
• 1:47:14
  us to be generous with our time, with our economy. That' s
• 1:47:19
  where we can arrange for the other to have a little more peace and well
• 1:47:27
  - being in his life, the role of the good Samaritan, as you
• 1:47:30
  said. Moreover, he was a man who was not of the people of
• 1:47:34
  Israel, he was a relegated man, he was a rejected man, he
• 1:47:38
  was a Samaritan, he was a person, let us say socially, of
• 1:47:44
  a group that was not accepted. And, on the other hand, Jesus
• 1:47:47
  sees and sees that role, in that correct role, in that pope that
• 1:47:51
  the demand of the Christian Jesus follower is a disciple that we must make walking
• 1:47:58
  that mile more and mercy for our neighbor. The word neighbor comes from the
• 1:48:03
  next word that we have next to? That' s what it' s
• 1:48:09
  coming to mean It seems like a weird thing. It is not the one
• 1:48:11
  next to us, because if we do not have compassion and mercy from the
• 1:48:15
  one next to us, how we will have compassion and mercy from those we
• 1:48:19
  do not know and who are here miles away. Then it is very important
• 1:48:25
  that God' s people, especially in some way, wear those slippers,
• 1:48:31
  with those sandals of Christ and that I do the work that he did to
• 1:48:36
  me I love that precious passage, where he good removes part of his clothes
• 1:48:42
  so as not to soil it, so as not to wet it. He
• 1:48:45
  takes a sort of lebrillo with water and washes his feet, washes his feet
• 1:48:50
  to the disciples and gives us an example of humility in the service that we
• 1:48:57
  must follow Yes, the truth that last night we talked about that in the
• 1:49:02
  last forty years, since democracy was declared in Spain with the death of the
• 1:49:09
  dictator Franco, speaking a little from the perspective of the evangelical churches, it
• 1:49:16
  is evident that the Protestant evangelical Christian social work has grown enormously. Something that
• 1:49:24
  hardly existed, Yes that existed, there was so much in important cities,
• 1:49:30
  there was both in Barcelona and Madrid, talking about the future or the Evangeli
• 1:49:36
  Hospital, some emblematic places, but any outbreak of social interest, by humanitarian
• 1:49:44
  projects, of even organizations working in many countries from here and in various programs
• 1:49:50
  of social and solidarity action, concerned for the most disadvantaged, for those who
• 1:49:57
  suffer, for those who lack things and for those who are marginalized. Okay,
• 1:50:02
  then. The truth is, it' s a matter we have to
• 1:50:08
  have as a man. This is very linked, because if you remember in
• 1:50:12
  the church called Primitiva, the Church of the first time, when there was
• 1:50:19
  that outburst of life through the outpouring of Holy Fiu, and they went out
• 1:50:24
  with all that force to preach the Gospel of Jesus and impacted people with a
• 1:50:30
  message speaking so freely, with so much boldness and there was a simultaneous thing
• 1:50:36
  that was going on and there was a community of spontaneous goods, You mean,
• 1:50:43
  evangelization was accompanied by the good works of a church committed to the most
• 1:50:50
  disadvantaged, such as orphans and widows, especially that they were the poor of
• 1:50:55
  solemnity, that is, foreigners? From here? And foreigners? And foreigners?
• 1:51:00
  So, how nice it is that this continues to be promoted from all
• 1:51:05
  ranks, also out of thanks to God, there is a very important sense
• 1:51:11
  of solidarity, but from the people of God, because of God. How
• 1:51:14
  nice it is that we still have that sensitivity to help the Next, because
• 1:51:20
  this is our DNA. It' s supposed to be true. I think
• 1:51:24
  it is, which is in the Christian' s DNA and look at it.
• 1:51:27
  There we share this important work with two Catholic brothers, even with people
• 1:51:33
  who are in the Red Cross who do not know whether they are Catholics,
• 1:51:39
  evangelicals or nostics, but who also have this desire to help. I believe
• 1:51:42
  and well, in the Evangelist Church, of course, in our DNA comes
• 1:51:46
  with that mark of service, of selfless service, it is only intended to
• 1:51:53
  help the decision later, and the relationship and conflict is between man and God.
• 1:52:00
  Man has to fix his problem with God. But that' s personal.
• 1:52:03
  It' s something I can' t force, I can' t
• 1:52:10
  manipulate or anything, because it' s God and man. When man looks
• 1:52:13
  for God, God came his way. It' s always like that.
• 1:52:16
  Look, Paul was on the road to Damascus looking for the Christians and the
• 1:52:24
  boss came out where you' re going. Then there' s a change.
• 1:52:29
  When we meet the Lord there is a change in life. So the
• 1:52:32
  people I don' t believe, I don' t know, I'
• 1:52:35
  m not sure. Suddenly, as the phrase says, he sees the light
• 1:52:40
  and realizes that God exists, that God is real, that God loves you
• 1:52:44
  that God and in some way, because he is constantly blessing you, is
• 1:52:47
  leading you. And that is the change to know Jesus in that intimacy.
• 1:52:55
  This change is conversion. It is the return to Jerusalem, I would say,
• 1:53:00
  in that phase, in this image that before created with the Apostle Paul
• 1:53:04
  the Way of Damascus, to return to the house of the Father, to
• 1:53:09
  have a relationship with God again, because that is what God commands, that
• 1:53:12
  is what God pursues since man voluntarily separated through sin, not only original sin,
• 1:53:16
  but individual sin, yours, mine, that is listening to us,
• 1:53:20
  because we are all sinners and, therefore, we are all destitute of the
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  grace of God. But the glory to God that in Christ Jesus, our
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  lord, there is remission of sins and eternal life in him. And this
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  is the beautiful thing that even as sinners, Christ died with us and confers
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  life and is a life, it is an eternal life, it is a
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  life that has a beginning, but that does not have so Dear friend,
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  hear how nice to hear these things. Well, although we have been here
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  a little late, but of course we have also done so on behalf of
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  thousands and thousands of people who want to be supportive of the well- being
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  and needs of others. It' s no other reason to outrage us a
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  little bit. No, my dear friend, I am sending you a very
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  affectionate hug and we hope to speak soon. I hope so, dear Julio,
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  a strangely strong hug, already affectionate for you a kiss for your wife.
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  Yes, thank you, a very affectionate greeting also to all our listeners
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  that God bless you that you enjoy a magnificent day. Thank you always the
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  same the train of life, life, life, from my mother' s
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  womb, patiently you formed me and painted the details with your love, your
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  design so perfect. Today I don' t know it feels complete, it
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  needs the touch of its creator. But here I have a miracle trapped in
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  my hands and I will not let it go I will only believe. I
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  ' m Sana. I' m Sana, though I don' t feel
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  it in miladro now. I' m Sara' s sleepy, though I
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  don' t see it Your word is already a fact. Jamba li in
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  your plan I always work life. This isn' t where it ends.
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  And even though this body suffers great pain, the end will be greater.
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  My mother' s mabrara celebrating lake. I' m Sano, I'
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  m Sanna, or I don' t feel that I' m Sara,
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  I' m Sana, even though I' m your father. It'
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  s a fact to my hello friends. I' m Julio Perez. You
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  know I' m the director of the radio show, the weekly Magaxing train
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  of life. And it does nothing less than thirty- two years that we
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  travel through many human landscapes and many curiosities and things of life, earthly life
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  and heavenly life. I also have the joy of telling you that I have
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  published my book, a book that has to do with the train of life.
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  There are fifty selected articles written by me. There are six seasons and
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  in each season there is a section of eight reflections, temporary reflections for an
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  eternal destiny. These are the things I tell in this book. They are
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  perfections, analysis, experiences, comments that other curiosity also in those fifty reflections,
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  in those six stations, until we reach the term station that there is
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  also a section, a very important block. This book can already be found
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  on Amazon on the editorial platform of Amazón. Traveling on the train of life
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  is called the book. It' s the title of the book Traveling on
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  the Train of Life. Julio Pérez, a server is the author. Then
• 1:59:55
  there you can well know that the train tells us about trips, trips through
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  life. Life is a kind of living parable, like a running train,
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  that there are so many sensations and so many experiences inside the train and what
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  we are seeing inside and what we see from the train out, For there
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  I propose that you be able to access this book, look at this book.
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  I' ve done it with a lot of love. I think there
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  are things that are very dear, very very intimate, and others not so
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  intimate, are very open, but it is a book that I have done
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  from the heart and with the heart traveling on the train of life. It
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  is the title of a Julio Pérez server on Amazon' s editorial platform.
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  You can find him. The book has a cost of fifteen euros in about
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  180 pages, and everything collected from that book is invested, reinvested in the
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  radio project of Onda Paz or Napau and in the train of life. Of
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  course it is part of the project so that this is put on and kept
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  going as long as it never stops So, I remind you and I thank
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  you in advance for buying my book on Amazon' s platform traveling on a
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  server' s life train, Julio Pérez. Thanks until always for any suggestion
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  query you can write to us. To Julio Pérez Arroba the train of life,
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  point is. To Julio Pérez Arroba the train of life, point is.
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  Are we waiting for your mail? Are we waiting for your mail?
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  Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are on the move and there with a
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  new interview, as I announced to you with Victor Mirón, who is the
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  good one. He is the president of family, family, but also of
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  spa Grandparents, great- grandfather ors and special events. This is the subble
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  page where you can enter to reserve your place. Tre dot spa only with
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  that at the end, org spas bar special events so that you can access
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  it. While I' m talking to you, now, I' m
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  talking to him and if you want to phone. At six hundred and ten,
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  twenty- four eighty- six ninety- nine, Lydia is also responsible
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  for taking note of emotional and emotional bonds between grandparents and grandchildren. Wow,
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  I' m going to theme by Pedro Sangeme, PhD in Psychology and Master
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  ' s in Biblical Counseling. It is, it is, Don Víctor Mirón
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  Angure and they can also Julio Férez, Don Julio Pérez Jiménez and other herbs.
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  That' s trans barren is for the best. What good ways do
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  you hear? How good you look, marriages, grandparents, very important figures
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  for reference in human life, in social life, in family life, emotional
• 2:03:53
  and affective bonds between grandparents and grandchildren. On the subject, this yes,
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  yes, it is a tebazo that we are playing every bit between three three,
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  almost three, every four months we have a theme. We have given
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  very important topics so far and we were seeing this the emotional relationship between grandparents
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  and grandchildren. Also, here are three quick elements. One, as a
• 2:04:24
  grandfather, how we get excited to see grandchildren. No. Second, how
• 2:04:30
  grandkids get excited when they see grandparents. And thirdly, it is an absolutely
• 2:04:35
  emotional relationship of affection and affection. You don' t know that he'
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  s also a grandfather and what I' m going to tell you and what
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  I' m going to say to all the grandparents. Not when we see
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  a grandson who calls you grandfather, I love you like mine told me the
• 2:04:49
  first time abi Tastimu Mira, I dropped everything there was to fall and say
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  lucky that the child was only two years old and I can' t say
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  a good thing. Now I want this that the other thing, because if
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  I buy everything for sure you hear, well this good going and this will
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  go there. In the restaurant i perfect de Castel de Fells, with snack
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  included, there is a justified contribution, more than justified, of ten euros
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  per person, which is a matter of mines, which is what we charge
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  almost the same place to have the place and offer us the snack. The
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  measure is very tasty but it' s just what I don' t think
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  you' ve been. They are sandwiches, a coffee, they are juices,
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  that is, more than anything, because it is also a time to
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  greet us and to have a snack that we all like to meet. I
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  mean, we always think with the snack We arrive around six o' clock.
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  A very good thing about the place where we go, which is imperfect,
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  which is next to one of the churches there, but it is a
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  place that does park very well. It' s a sports area. It
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  ' s all right, very well what' s left of a place is
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  beautiful and we have limited places. That is true, although today there is
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  a surprise that answers. I' m going to say yes clear more,
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  that' s good. Then you have to enter to register and take advantage
• 2:06:20
  of that afternoon we never miss it, because the truth that the guests and
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  good and we have Peter St James, who is a number one in this
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  subject, doctor in psychology and master in biblical counseling, an expert. But
• 2:06:34
  well, all the previous Felix Ortiz Martín, well they' ve been fabulous
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  that all the speakers there have been, also with such practical questions and some
• 2:06:47
  questions that can be asked. It' s a very profitable time. Besides,
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  seeing the faces of grandparents for a while, that' s also very
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  picturesque to see the faces of many grandparents in my head. There are a
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  lot of things going on to see us in the future and maybe we will
• 2:07:08
  talk about this, but yes, yes, it is nice to see us
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  too, but not only to see us, but to know that we are
• 2:07:17
  in the same game, although sometimes not all relationships or situations are easy,
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  true, but we are in a very beautiful time of life and we have
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  to know how to take advantage of it certainly, certainly and have grandchildren and
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  that the relationship your bonds and emotional and effective enters euros. It has to
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  give perspective to someone, because of course we can either fall short or overtake
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  each other. No, and we have to find the thrill of enjoying the
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  grandkids and grandkids of grandparents, but also the necessary balance. No, and
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  I think it' s going to be very interesting. No, it'
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  s not always going to be easy. I can' t advance programs,
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  I don' t take the subject and I don' t know how you
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  ' re going to present it to Pedro, but I do see one thing.
• 2:08:07
  We' ll never go from loving to ever loving. You never overdo
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  it in love. Now it' s also how we love it. Sometimes
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  we don' t love to give me a kiss. If you give me
• 2:08:20
  a kiss, I buy you and you. I give this all the time.
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  Not there, there are things that don' t work there. Or
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  at the same time we can see it as well. No. On the
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  other hand, Julio, let' s see a lot of grandparents who are
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  either lost or say no. No. I already had my kids. Now
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  what I' m going to do is enjoy life and from time to time
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  I see them I go to their birthday, bring them a gift and such
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  and don' t bother me too much. We can go to both ends,
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  but we' re never gonna have an excess of love. We can
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  have an excess of favoritism, of protecting them over respect, of giving them
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  too many things. That' s right, but that' s not love
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  and it' s very interesting, this is what you just said, very
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  interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is why we have good and
• 2:09:07
  in the talks that you also give in family matters, when you touch the
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  point of grandparents and that you have done it and it is to listen attentively
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  to you Victor Mironis eskaplant presidents of family, family and also as an exclusive
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  and novel section, a forum for grandparents that did not exist, And that
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  is that in grandparents are very significant figures in family life and in social life.
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  Right. Well, a lot, a lot, a lot, too
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  much happens that we are in a society that seems to be serving us the
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  most and I just think that that' s why what happens to us happens
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  to us. It is not a broken, disconnected society and the disconnection there
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  is very large, especially between the abe and their children, who are the
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  parents of our grandchildren. This is an element that has been broken a lot
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  and then sometimes it is difficult for grandparents to reach grandchildren. But we always
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  did this and we keep it because, besides, it' s true and
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  in grandparents we' re the second biggest influence children have. I' ve
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  said it little by little for people to put in. We' re the
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  second influence. It' s not TV, it' s not on screens,
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  it' s not what happens is that it' s an influence that
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  we' re limited in whether we can access our grandchildren or grandchildren can access
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  us. But I believe that one of the fundamental elements and that we will
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  talk about in other situations and times. One of the fundamental elements is that
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  we connect the children with their story where they come from, where their parents
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  come from, how they appeared. Around there, and Grandpa and the grandson
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  have a connection and a full city that the others don' t have.
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  And if we deprive grandchildren of this, we are depriving them and us,
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  as grandparents, of something very important, of being able to pass on everything
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  we know to the children, of course, and also to the grandchildren,
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  because I am reminding them of the following links and mercenaris and affections between grandparents
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  and grandchildren. In charge of Pedro San Jaime, PhD in Psychology and Master
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  in Biblical Counseling, who will be the one to give the talk and some
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  questions can also be realized and then convenient including the cost. The truth is
• 2:11:37
  that it is a minimum cost of ten euros per person. This is almost
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  nothing for the quality that the whole meeting has and these will be in the
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  imperfect restaurant there, on Avenida Vana Vieja, in castel defenses number eight can
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  enter to make your reservation. There' s a chain. Our website is
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  also appearing here on screen in frecula. Me too on our radio wave page.
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  There you can see it and there' s a QR to do it
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  directly. But if you enter three w SPA without if the e with the
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  spa as if it were the SPA of these hydric spa grandparents, three ws
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  SPA grandparents org bar special events. Not when events take place. There is
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  also true point. If not, no, no, no, no,
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  necessarily special events. Already goes directly three SPA flights org Bar special events.
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  Or if you want to phone Lydia, you can also call six ten,
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  twenty- four, eighty- six ninety- nine. I repeat six ten,
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  twenty- four eighty- six ninety- nine is the direct telephone information
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  for this grandparents' spa meeting as well. And well and all the grandparents
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  that we' re going to meet there we' re going to hear some
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  of let go of us. A little. The scoop is what you have
• 2:13:03
  to give us. The scoop looks, I' ve lost you now you
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  see me yes, yes, I see you like this, I see you
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  and they see you yes. Not that I don' t know. It
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  ' s not gonna happen It' s okay now I remember Look, the
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  scoop is clear. Some will ask good, but I don' t live
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  in Barcelona, I don' t live near Casios Deffels, which is the
• 2:13:26
  place where this restaurant is. I can' t attend, for whatever reason,
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  because I' m out, or I' m in Madrid, or
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  I' m in Valencia, or I' m in the Canary Islands.
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  Not so, this time, for the first time and also, when you
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  register, you can do it. We will be able to do online everything
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  that is the talk, the talk until more or less and already when you
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  aim, we will tell you the time about 6: 30, which is
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  when the first part ends, which is the snack, and such then we
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  will connect and all those who have written will connect, we will be all
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  the ling and everything so that you can follow the char the presentation and the
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  talk that is always, because, of course, in Spanish, so that
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  they can reach others in that aspect, although we do it here, it
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  is bilingual and such, but the talk always we maintain, because in the
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  language of Cervantes and also for South America and many places in South America that
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  will connect us. Then it' s the first time. We hope it
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  will work well, always the first times, since direct and such, but
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  this time it is planned so that from today, of this meeting and to
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  all that we do are also online and others can be taken advantage of.
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  There' s a small cost. Of course, it won' t be
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  a snack, that is, it won' t be a ten euros,
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  because you don' t have to put it on the snack. But we
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  have a cost of everything that is the production and all the Internet and all
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  this, and we ask for one donation that you will see and that is
• 2:15:03
  when you enter the website to register you. You will have this double choice
• 2:15:05
  and we encourage you to be able, and perhaps better meet, because with
• 2:15:11
  two or three marriages or two or three grandparents in a house, in one
• 2:15:13
  place. You connect and you can talk later we will give option, ask
• 2:15:20
  questions by chat and if there are any questions, because we would also pass
• 2:15:24
  it to the speakers. I mean, it' s gonna be a novelty.
• 2:15:26
  Let' s hope it works out for us. And apart from now,
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  since everything we do we will give it online so that everyone can benefit,
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  because look and this is already cute boo not of this is sure there
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  is a series that we can. We are in the metropolitan area environment,
• 2:15:43
  if you can better be there, of course, but who can not come
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  from for any reason, or be in another city. And this is going
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  to be fantastic, because the quality of the talks are of such magnitude that
• 2:15:58
  it is to take advantage of it and to take advantage of it, but
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  to the maximum and then if it can be left engraved in such a way
• 2:16:07
  that it is seen in situ. But then what you say in your own
• 2:16:11
  community or friends who are grandparents, i e, hey, Mira, let
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  ' s invite other grandparents. There' s a great talk. I mean,
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  this gives a lot of yes, uh, yes, Julio, all
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  the talks, all the ones we' ve done, since the first one,
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  which was the first, was fern Ortiz. Then came Juan Joaquín Rola,
• 2:16:33
  then came who is a doctor in mathematics. Then came Esther Martinez.
• 2:16:37
  After that Curtis Claubet has been with the subject of artificial intelligence and the last
• 2:16:43
  driver Products, with the theme of everything that is genetic and all that aspect,
• 2:16:48
  and now everything will also come is recorded and it can be video and
• 2:16:52
  everything can be seen from the website. I mean, it' s a
• 2:16:56
  great topic of work. You can download it, you can talk to a
• 2:17:01
  group of grandparents and everyone is on the website and you can look at it,
• 2:17:05
  and that' s free to download it, which is also all the
• 2:17:11
  material we do and the website is fantastic to look at it, please,
• 2:17:13
  because there are lots of material items, there are many aspects, there are
• 2:17:22
  movies that we present, that we suggest there up to Grandma' s kitchen.
• 2:17:24
  There are jokes, there are video clips, there are very humorous things,
• 2:17:28
  there are very serious things. There is also how I can pray for
• 2:17:31
  and with my grandson, that is a whole stimulus as well as ideas,
• 2:17:37
  as grandparents, to be able to cover our, our grandchildren spiritually. We
• 2:17:43
  will be working more, but you will get into the website because it is
• 2:17:46
  worth it and since you have said it, it is unique wow that interesting
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  spas org access to everything, to all the contents of the page and then
• 2:18:05
  also to make the section special events, because also there they can make the
• 2:18:11
  pre- registration to be online or be face- to- face, because
• 2:18:16
  enjoying it hears how good, what a good opportunity, And I say it
• 2:18:22
  not only because it seems to me a very good initiative, very interesting,
• 2:18:31
  because as grandfather and my wife and I as grandparents, we have felt a
• 2:18:37
  special emotion in this forum and these calls, because of the importance, that
• 2:18:41
  the relevance that is given to it, by the talks of such high quality
• 2:18:48
  and by the need that grandparents also take note of things that we have,
• 2:18:54
  that it seems that we know almost everything and we do not have to learn
• 2:18:54
  to be up to date. And I have a four- year- old
• 2:18:56
  grandson who now turns next month, and I have another grandson out of every
• 2:19:01
  sixteen and a thirteen- year- old granddaughter. It almost means and this
• 2:19:03
  interaction that we are looking forward to. My grandson is leaving the Institute for
• 2:19:11
  Cantabria with the students' boys. We' re looking out for him and
• 2:19:16
  so and this morning, well, Cariñeta looks at how he tries a bachi
• 2:19:22
  beta, everything, all this interaction. It' s but that' s
• 2:19:26
  good, that came out of the heart spontaneously, but there are things we
• 2:19:30
  have to learn to do. Well, really look so much, yes,
• 2:19:35
  I don' t know if I can make any progress, yes to see
• 2:19:39
  and I ask for prayer and then so too, if you allow me,
• 2:19:45
  I' m going to make another present to you some idea of future worth.
• 2:19:46
  Yes, it may be and we' re talking, because that'
• 2:19:50
  s also what I wish you could get directly involved with part of the radio,
• 2:19:56
  but I' m writing a started book and besides, I want to
• 2:20:01
  congratulate you personally for the book you' ve done. I' m already
• 2:20:03
  looking forward to buying it. I want to buy it from you directly,
• 2:20:05
  buy it by listening well to the word. I bought you good and read
• 2:20:11
  it. But I' m working on a first book. There is a
• 2:20:15
  second in mind, but the first is the title. He' s probably
• 2:20:20
  going to be the grandfather I want. To be a guide to being a
• 2:20:24
  better, a guide to being a better grandfather. Then I' m on
• 2:20:28
  it to see what comes out. But this is the idea that you said
• 2:20:31
  before you could give tools and encourage each other, to do this important job,
• 2:20:39
  to be a grandfather, to cover our grandchildren, to be with our
• 2:20:41
  grandchildren, to regain our rightful place. We do not, of course,
• 2:20:46
  replace parents at all. We' re the second, never the first.
• 2:20:50
  At some point. Unfortunately, we have to move to the front line by
• 2:20:56
  leaving or by what are situations that are taking place and that are going to
• 2:20:58
  take place perhaps too much in the future, but to recover the place that
• 2:21:05
  we need to be and that our grandchildren need, which is that grandparents are
• 2:21:11
  better grandparents or intentional grandparents. And this is the idea that encouraged us to
• 2:21:16
  work, to say that there is nothing in the Spanish state. One may
• 2:21:24
  wish, as has happened with the issue of family within five or ten years,
• 2:21:28
  there will be many, but God has called us to break through,
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  to take out stones and open the way and others. I hope that others
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  can enter, and also worldwide, because it is also almost the same to
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  tell you before, because I guess I can say something more and that the
• 2:21:48
  website, which is very interesting, are following us in ten countries of the
• 2:21:52
  world, including the United States and Russia and some that also imagine that we
• 2:21:56
  have reached Spanish. I don' t know why they' re spying on
• 2:21:58
  us anyway. I don' t know, but we' re getting a
• 2:22:05
  lot of sites and we' re getting a lot of visits to the website
• 2:22:11
  and seeing that this is necessary. Yes, Victor See, because in doing
• 2:22:15
  so this way, also apart thanks for that announcement of a novel bowling book,
• 2:22:20
  because we have nothing at all and it is missing I realize now to
• 2:22:24
  be in these talks, in these forums. I first realize the need we
• 2:22:30
  have to learn to learn well, learned and take note of things and instructions
• 2:22:35
  and advice and then exchange with other grandparents, seeing us and in situ.
• 2:22:43
  That creates a very particular synergy But in addition to that book, which is
• 2:22:48
  going to be a blessing and I encourage you to work it and before the
• 2:22:52
  end of the year, we will have it available notice that by doing it
• 2:22:58
  online through this sonic system, we can give through the train of life announce
• 2:23:03
  it, because there will be many of our listening friends that saying caramba,
• 2:23:09
  I cannot go to the snack will be virtual. One gets a good coffee
• 2:23:13
  with milk and anything and gets there with his wife, with the husband,
• 2:23:20
  with such friends and can follow up the talk of the colloquium and enjoy it,
• 2:23:26
  so notice that we have an open alternative there that before could not be
• 2:23:31
  because if it was not face to face. But, well, that'
• 2:23:37
  s where we open it up to the whole audience of the train of life.
• 2:23:39
  In any Spanish city they know that this 24th of May, at 18
• 2:23:46
  hours online you will be able to access prior registration on the platform of spabuelos
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  rg special events. There you can make the prescription and enjoy that afternoon.
• 2:24:03
  Also on the 24th of May there are eighteen hours, eighteen, thirty will
• 2:24:09
  actually be. Man, yeah, I think this is basic. We'
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  re also going to have another one in October, about every three months.
• 2:24:20
  What will come future is we expect the book I' m working on and
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  another one we' ll talk about at some point. You and I had
• 2:24:26
  some idea to do, but one of the things we' re going to
• 2:24:33
  put forward is also a global vision, but we have to go down to
• 2:24:37
  the local level. And one of the things we' re doing and we
• 2:24:41
  ' re going to do is a presentation in different communities. From here we
• 2:24:46
  already say it to all those communities, churches or groups that want and have
• 2:24:52
  grandparents, grandparents with grandchildren. We are never talking at Spa and we also
• 2:24:58
  love the 90- year- old grandparents, so to speak, not that
• 2:25:03
  they are grandparents, but that they are already very, very, very old.
• 2:25:05
  We are speaking in this senior generation silver, senior or gold, which
• 2:25:11
  is between fifty and a little fifty and five sixty at seventy- five eighty.
• 2:25:16
  We are not talking about this almost third age and that we are grandparents,
• 2:25:22
  that we are young and that we want to do things and that we
• 2:25:28
  have energy and desire to be able to take this issue forward. So what
• 2:25:33
  we' re presenting is we' re going to have a presentation of what
• 2:25:37
  is SPA in different places where you want, in different communities, and we
• 2:25:43
  ' re going to touch on a theme that is the senior generation, opportunities
• 2:25:46
  and challenges. This is going to be something that we will be taking as
• 2:25:50
  a kind of conference in different places and it will be a presentation of what
• 2:25:58
  we do in SPA and how, in each of this vision, how you
• 2:26:03
  can enter at local level and that everyone can develop it in their own way.
• 2:26:05
  But lower your vision and take it not only that you come to the
• 2:26:09
  activities we do, but the idea is that SPA comes and wants to come
• 2:26:15
  to the different sites to help the different communities. To begin this important emphasis
• 2:26:20
  to grandparents, because only with a meeting every three months, we scratched and
• 2:26:26
  nothing more. And what we want is for one generation to impact the other.
• 2:26:31
  And although you' re very young Julio, tell all the grandparents that
• 2:26:35
  we don' t have that much time, we' re in the third
• 2:26:41
  part of our life or the fourth part. I hope it is, between
• 2:26:43
  third and fourth we have a very important part, but let' s take
• 2:26:48
  advantage of it. That' s why the senior generation wakes up. Listen,
• 2:26:54
  then magnificent this proposal also how many interesting things, ladies and ladies,
• 2:27:00
  through Victor Mirón, together with Seska Planagum are the pioneers and also the directors
• 2:27:07
  of this ministry. It' s parabuelos and you' ve said that I
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  ' m young, I' m as young as You Victor or if at
• 2:27:22
  last You and I were very recently in an emphasis and you' re going
• 2:27:28
  to understand me perfectly you didn' t talk about the generation Joshua yes,
• 2:27:33
  yes, okay, but the generation Joseph could never have been posue. If
• 2:27:33
  the Kaleb generation does, then this is a little bit of my personal aspect
• 2:27:41
  and that' s where, if you can say so I said. I
• 2:27:45
  may not have received revelation, because someone can misunderstand it, but I do
• 2:27:50
  believe that in that regard I represent, I represent Kale. I see myself
• 2:27:54
  in it saying there' s a mountain. Leave me this mountain. Conquer.
• 2:27:58
  This is my last battle possibly and there I go with all my might
• 2:28:03
  to conquer this mountain, which I think is going to be very important and
• 2:28:09
  just a detail. All the generation that entered the promised land. We are
• 2:28:15
  talking about the Old Testament and the Bible, and this is a generation that
• 2:28:18
  entered without grandparents. The only grandfather there was was that he was older than
• 2:28:26
  Joseph. The others stayed in the desert for not understanding what God wanted for
• 2:28:30
  them. Therefore, without wanting to have that messianic aspect of being the grandfather
• 2:28:35
  of Spain. But yes, Grandpa calev the generation caleptia barla and tell you,
• 2:28:41
  gentlemen, there is a mountain to fight, to conquer and we go
• 2:28:45
  for it. Yes, sir, what a nice app. Well, then,
• 2:28:48
  Victor Mirón, director of this ministerial initiative in Spain, novel and I
• 2:28:56
  would say in the world, because little thing, just somewhere about the Ministry
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  of Aid and care for grandparents and of a bet a day remember that it
• 2:29:09
  will be on the 24th of May, at 18 hours that it is Friday,
• 2:29:15
  on the 24th of May, and insitulos that we can be there in
• 2:29:20
  the restaurant imperfect in Barcelona, which is a place to a solidarity restaurant also
• 2:29:24
  led by a church that has an imposing solidarity movement in the area and the
• 2:29:31
  truth that is an ideal place, is a beautiful atmosphere with snack included.
• 2:29:37
  But if they cannot be as it will be in many cases that they listen
• 2:29:41
  to us in different Spanish cities, because nothing, they can also access to
• 2:29:50
  rg flights and access to special events and online they can participate fully with their
• 2:29:58
  partner with other friends of another group of the church, sit in the living
• 2:30:01
  room and we will see it in those television pants that we have now and
• 2:30:07
  enjoy it and also, you can interact with questions and such and do not
• 2:30:11
  miss it because it is worth it. Dear friend, thank you very much
• 2:30:16
  to You, Victor for being here this morning and explaining to us something that
• 2:30:22
  seems very original, because it has happened to us unnoticed and cannot be We
• 2:30:26
  need to be up to date. Thank you. Besides, I love Monday
• 2:30:31
  ' s title. It' s not an ordinary day. Today is no
• 2:30:33
  ordinary day and less to be able to talk to you and be in peace.
• 2:30:37
  Thank you, my friend, a very strong hug, a hug Chao
• 2:30:41
  Chao. You know we' re on Facebook. You know we' re
• 2:30:56
  on Facebook, connect between uploads, double points. Taking life together is and
• 2:31:01
  following it continues. Good morning to everyone, thanks to the oa for the
• 2:31:09
  honor of being able to express some ideas that concern me and concern me thanks
• 2:31:18
  to Comba Tantisimets in Buffman for having thought it necessary to hear my word and
• 2:31:24
  I will go. I' m a journalist, a writer, I'
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  m not going to lose myself in words. I' ll be very clear.
• 2:31:35
  Three ideas to get started. Anti- Semitism is currently the most important
• 2:31:41
  hate problem in the world. There is none that is comparable to its dimension
• 2:31:48
  and its risk. The second idea is anti- Semitism. It' s
• 2:31:54
  not about Jews, it' s about non- Jews. The Jews suffer
• 2:31:58
  from it, but we, the non- Jews, have a responsibility to
• 2:32:05
  fight against it. And the third element, as the rapporteur said before me,
• 2:32:09
  no one is immune to it. But we have never, ever before
• 2:32:16
  since the Second World War had we had such a huge dimension. We are
• 2:32:22
  going to put out clear data because when we talk about anti- Semitism,
• 2:32:28
  we say that it has grown, that it is worrying what we are talking
• 2:32:35
  about, that is, first, that it is clearly defined in the Declaration
• 2:32:39
  of Aira and, therefore, I submit to it. But to remember,
• 2:32:41
  anti- Semitism is hatred of Jews. Anti- Semitism is to consider that
• 2:32:48
  Jews dominate the world, that they dominate the press, that they are suspected,
• 2:32:54
  that they are guilty of the evils or wars that have created the conflicts,
• 2:33:01
  that Israel has no right to exist because it is a Jewish state,
• 2:33:07
  etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. As one thinker and friend of mine said,
• 2:33:13
  Jews are always guilty. It is the universal fault of the ultranationalists. They
• 2:33:20
  were the culprits of communism. For the communists they were the culprits of capitalism.
• 2:33:24
  When they live in the diaspora, if they are perfectly assimilated in their
• 2:33:30
  surroundings, they are Argentines, Uruguayans, French, many consider that in reality
• 2:33:35
  they are only Jews and that they are perhaps infiltrated. And when they live
• 2:33:41
  their lives as hidden Jews, then they are suspects. If they spend a
• 2:33:48
  lot of money, it' s because they' re ostentatious. If they
• 2:33:50
  don' t spend it, they' re greedy. It is always the
• 2:33:54
  fault, one way or another, because anti- Semitism has made them the
• 2:34:00
  universal fault. It is no coincidence that if the Jews are the culprits of
• 2:34:03
  the world, Israel is the culprit of all the culprits, the Jewish State
• 2:34:11
  spoke of the data. How many citizens of the world could clearly enter into
• 2:34:18
  Aira' s definition of what it is to be anti- Semitic, even
• 2:34:26
  not even accepting it even by denying it or even not, being aware of
• 2:34:33
  the American League of defamation that monotorizes this issue, along with intelligence services and
• 2:34:39
  along with a lot of information from police stations in Europe, Latin America and
• 2:34:41
  America. The League before and infaming speaks of an anti- Semitic contamination of
• 2:34:50
  one nine billion people. But let us do the most concrete thing, for
• 2:34:56
  example, in America, how many people in America could be deeply contaminated with
• 2:35:03
  anti- Semitism. About 19 percent are spoken, millions and millions of people.
• 2:35:11
  And to make it more concrete, since we are in the OAS,
• 2:35:16
  a country like Argentina, where the Jewish community is large, twenty- four
• 2:35:20
  percent of the population is important, six point eight million people believe that Jews
• 2:35:28
  are responsible. They' re guilty, they have some sort of contempt,
• 2:35:35
  they can insult, they can demonize, or they can assault. In Venezuela
• 2:35:39
  it is thirty percent, in the United States it is nine percent, but
• 2:35:43
  we speak of twenty- one million people, Chile, thirty- seven percent,
• 2:35:48
  Peru that I tell them. And if we go to Europe. In
• 2:35:54
  Europe, the situation is beginning to be enormously serious. Only in France for
• 2:35:58
  you to get an idea. In France alone, more than 1, 100
• 2:36:09
  anti- Semitic attacks were reported in four hundred and ninety arrests. In England,
• 2:36:20
  in the last month, a thousand nineteen anti- Semitic attacks were recorded,
• 2:36:28
  five hundred and thirty- seven percent of growth more than usual. So
• 2:36:33
  to speak. We have seen the shameful case of Poland, with a far
• 2:36:39
  - right type, burning with a Hanoka fire extinguisher the FBI and said that
• 2:36:45
  hate crimes in the United States have increased towards the Jews by twenty- five
• 2:36:52
  percent. But Jews are in the United States the two commas four percent of
• 2:36:56
  the population receive the sixty- three percent of hate crimes. They wouldn'
• 2:37:03
  t have imagined it. Surely we wouldn' t think of other communities.
• 2:37:07
  They' re not the first sixty- three percent. In Germany, according
• 2:37:13
  to the Federal Crime Investigation Office, in the last month, five hundred and
• 2:37:20
  forty crimes linked to anti- Semitism were recorded. I' m not going
• 2:37:24
  to bother you with any more data, because they' re very explicit.
• 2:37:30
  And what they' re telling us is that if anti- Semitism is the
• 2:37:35
  most important hate school in history, because it' s the only one that
• 2:37:39
  ever created an extermination industry, an extermination industry. We Europeans came to create
• 2:37:46
  an extermination industry so we could kill more accurately, better and faster and exterminate
• 2:37:54
  three quarters of the world' s Jewish population. Consider that anti- Semitism,
• 2:38:03
  first in the Roman and Greek eras, then in the medieval Christian eras,
• 2:38:09
  then linking, after the French illustration, in the new anti- Semitic
• 2:38:13
  concept, linked to ideas of economy, and there are also social days.
• 2:38:18
  And then, going forward, ending in Auswitch, we' ve been creating
• 2:38:24
  a hate industry against the Jewish people, a people, on the other hand,
• 2:38:28
  very small in the human community and after World War II, it seemed
• 2:38:33
  that this he and Bessel said is not true. The Holocaust killed millions of
• 2:38:41
  Jews, but it did not kill anti- Semitism. The Polish example is
• 2:38:46
  clear. There millions and millions of Jews died and remains a country with very
• 2:38:52
  high levels of anti- Semitic fear where there are practically no Jews. They
• 2:38:56
  were talking about it before, too, and that' s the way it
• 2:38:58
  was. Anti- Semitism survives the Jews. There may be none, but
• 2:39:03
  that doesn' t mean there isn' t a school of hate. How
• 2:39:07
  is it that suddenly we have been shot and terrible things have happened. I
• 2:39:13
  was just talking about the three universities. Hector spoke of the shameful session in
• 2:39:20
  Congress, he had never felt so ashamed as a university student. As a
• 2:39:26
  person who has always admired Harvard Meath, imagine the universities that are going to
• 2:39:35
  form the great leaders of the United States, a country so enormously important,
• 2:39:41
  and seeing that session horrified me because the worst thing was not the lack of
• 2:39:52
  responsibility shown by the rectors of those universities, but the enormous banalization they made
• 2:39:58
  of a hate crime. That was the bottom line, the bottom line,
• 2:40:01
  but of course, context depends on the context. It is one of the
• 2:40:11
  most serious barbarities I have heard and I have heard many in what would be
• 2:40:16
  all the anti- Semitic rhetoric. Yes, even if I don' t
• 2:40:20
  know, the rector of the University of Pensylvania was making a speech at that
• 2:40:28
  time clearly anti- Semitic to defend the genocide of the Jews. It has
• 2:40:31
  no context, it doesn' t have it it' s hate point,
• 2:40:33
  there' s no more. No decent college. You may consider that it
• 2:40:37
  depends on the context, or that it is a freedom of thought, of
• 2:40:43
  opinion, but it is that the University of bn Sylvania invited Roger Waters to
• 2:40:48
  speak for what, to sing, because, in addition to singing to the
• 2:40:54
  lord what he speaks of, it is today one of the great references of
• 2:40:56
  hatred against the Jewish people. He is invited to a university and we can
• 2:41:01
  continue what happens to the big operators. You know, for example, that
• 2:41:05
  the letter Bill Laden wrote to the United States decades ago, a long time
• 2:41:11
  ago, with a number and a standard of classic Semitic topics, from the
• 2:41:18
  protocols of the Sages of Zion to. Practically the Menkaft was all there,
• 2:41:22
  as exposure has increased, the viralization in Tiktok alone of the Charter of binn
• 2:41:28
  Lading one thousand eight hundred percent. With only forty- one videos dedicated to
• 2:41:35
  that letter, they have reached six nine million people. When organizations trying to
• 2:41:41
  monotorize anti- Semitism crimes on Tiktok, or on Twitter or social media try
• 2:41:48
  to have metadata to power, operators deny it. There is no way to
• 2:41:58
  know why it spreads, how it spreads, who does it and how we
• 2:42:03
  should equip ourselves to stop it. I repeat, I said I' d
• 2:42:09
  leave the data. I' m gonna try to run the test. Why,
• 2:42:11
  from World War II to here, anti- Semitism has skyrocketed. I
• 2:42:16
  ' m sure they' ll tell me, since October 7th. It'
• 2:42:20
  s clear. No. No. No. No. Most of the data
• 2:42:22
  I' ve given you are prior to the 7th of October. I don
• 2:42:26
  ' t have the October 7 data, only in the French case, in
• 2:42:31
  the German case, because there are police complaints. Not much more. Hey,
• 2:42:35
  let' s name those responsible. One is known is the anti-
• 2:42:41
  Semitic discourse that took place for centuries in the Catholic world, in the Christian
• 2:42:46
  world, globally the Catholic in particular. I am a Catholic family and come
• 2:42:50
  from the old Sepharat of Spain, with which I know very well what I
• 2:42:54
  am talking about feeding the idea of the guilty people. The Jews were the
• 2:43:00
  ones who had killed God. Nothing but God could have been more serious crime.
• 2:43:07
  But after that classic anti- Semitic process that with John twenty- three
• 2:43:13
  changed paradigm. Fortunately, and after the typical speeches of the far right,
• 2:43:16
  what has fed the anti- Semitic discourse since Stalin' s time is the
• 2:43:22
  left. And he tells it to someone who has always militated on the left,
• 2:43:28
  leftist movements, leftist organizations, leftist parties that first began feeding Israel'
• 2:43:33
  s discourse as the rich, colonizing, white, oppressor country of the poor,
• 2:43:39
  ethnically non- white, unfortunate, colonized people, that is, the
• 2:43:46
  idea in parallel with the concept of the United States, as an imperial,
• 2:43:52
  channeling country. But Israel at the core. Decades and decades, decades of
• 2:44:00
  university professors at my own university and at any university? Decades and decades demonizing
• 2:44:07
  and criminalizing Israel. It' s not free. What is happening to us
• 2:44:13
  now comes from afar. Of course, Israel and any country must be criticized,
• 2:44:18
  of course, but the limits between criticizing a government action that you disagree
• 2:44:26
  with or a conception have nothing to do with permanent demonization, permanent criminalization and
• 2:44:31
  the mobilization of everything that happens in the Middle East to Israel, which is
• 2:44:37
  often denied the right to existence and the right to defence. I was interviewed
• 2:44:46
  by a Spanish television today. Before they entered I was interviewed for a local
• 2:44:52
  subject of my country. There is a bit of a political mess there and
• 2:44:58
  I have commented that I was in the OAS today and that I had the
• 2:45:01
  honor of talking about anti- Semitism I have only talked about anti- Semitism
• 2:45:07
  and at the moment the journalist tells me well, but it is that Israel
• 2:45:13
  is killing in Gaza and, besides, now they want to flood the tunnels
• 2:45:16
  and they are going to drown the kidnapped. That was the reflection. Okay.
• 2:45:18
  I have responded as I had to answer, but I have told you
• 2:45:22
  that I am talking about anti- Semitism. Well, yeah, but Jews
• 2:45:26
  are guilty of what' s going on in Gaza. This permanent idea in
• 2:45:31
  the world of journalism linked to the story that the left has imposed and a
• 2:45:35
  part of the right, but less in this case. The right has as
• 2:45:39
  many faults as the left in many ways, but in the case of anti
• 2:45:46
  - Semitism, it humbly blamed personally directly to the left for feeding a hate
• 2:45:52
  speech that, passing through Israel, ends up bursting into Jewish communities all over
• 2:45:58
  the world. That is another food package of anti- Semitism and we have
• 2:46:05
  seen it after October 7. The account in the massacre within two days had
• 2:46:11
  no longer existed, the abductees were no longer important. Data and information on
• 2:46:16
  Gaza are permanently false, exaggerated. Israel is the only one to blame.
• 2:46:26
  There is no military structure and a terrible war structure in the area. There
• 2:46:31
  ' s no responsibility. All this how they think it finally falls into the
• 2:46:35
  day- to- day lives of communities that live anywhere in the world.
• 2:46:39
  The other day, in Argentina, leaving a hanuka, protesters, some kids,
• 2:46:45
  insulted some Jews who were leaving the party. It was Argentina, they
• 2:46:52
  were Jews, but it was Israel. And there he goes and all this
• 2:46:56
  I' ve been feeding him, if doubtless, the left. And the
• 2:46:58
  third to have an element that has built a very important hate speech, which
• 2:47:05
  we never talk about because it is politically incorrect, is radical Islamism and globally
• 2:47:13
  in some way, a considerable part of Islam that has also had a deep
• 2:47:20
  Judeofoba base and interacts in Muslim communities living in liberal democracies, because there too
• 2:47:26
  hate speech to Jews is fed. I mean by that there are no other
• 2:47:31
  hate speech. There may be hate speech to the Muslim population and that is
• 2:47:37
  terrible and must be attacked. There may be a hate speech to a race,
• 2:47:41
  to an ethnic group, it certainly has no way. The dimension of
• 2:47:46
  the anti- Semitic problem is enormous? It is enormous and so worrying that
• 2:47:52
  every time anti- Semitism has grown in the history of humanity, we have
• 2:47:58
  gone to the abyss, we have gone to self- destruction, because the
• 2:48:03
  school of hatred of anti- Semitism profoundly destroys the foundations of modern civilization,
• 2:48:11
  destroys the foundations of democracy, destroys the Charter of Human Rights and learning to
• 2:48:16
  hate Jews, Odia learns to hate in a way that since they have given
• 2:48:24
  me the voice, I would tell them that each of the members of the
• 2:48:30
  OAS has their responsibility and obligation to fight this scourge in each of their countries,
• 2:48:35
  but not with declarations that are very beautiful, not only with denunciations and
• 2:48:41
  conferences. We have to change penal codes, we have to stop inviting the
• 2:48:48
  Roger Waters to the universities. We have to start telling communities that they are
• 2:48:54
  fighting for civil rights that they also have to fight for this. I am
• 2:48:58
  horrified that it has quelled the n neo of the Black Cliff Madars movements have
• 2:49:03
  manifested themselves next to never. I want to remember that American Jewish movements were
• 2:49:09
  side by side with black civil rights throughout Luther Kin' s struggle and up,
• 2:49:15
  and today some, not all, are failing, as feminist organizations,
• 2:49:20
  too, are failing, where they are in the terrible violence that Israeli women
• 2:49:26
  have suffered. The example of extreme violence against massive women that we had experienced
• 2:49:33
  never knew anything like it, but I have not seen in manifestations of myth.
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  I haven' t seen any moves What happens when the raped woman is
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  Jewish, she' s not raped. When the murdered man or the woman
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  is Israeli, she is no longer murdered, she dies. All this has
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  to do with the building of hatred. We' re failing in the public
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  narrative. The journalists are failing, the university rectors are failing, our political
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  leaders are failing, who see it as something far away, which is not
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  worrying, which is not the first line. This is the first line.
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  This, I repeat, is without a doubt the greatest conflict of hatred we
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  have in the twenty- first century and as we have done in other times.
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  It seems that we care little, perhaps here, a little more,
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  perhaps in combat we worry little, we care less. We' ll get
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  out of here and we won' t. We' re gonna live when
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  we get out of this room here in America. There' s going to
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  be acts of anti- Semitism, you' re going to see them,
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  we won' t see them in the press, we won' t see
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  them. There will be an account of hatred when the Israeli issue is discussed
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  and never balanced. We' re not going to notice all this, but
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  it' s going to persist. It' s going to persist. He
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  ' s gonna see if I' m not Jewish. My religious culture is
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  Catholic, and my culture and struggle in a country, my family is a
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  family reprisaled from Franco' s dictatorship and I learned to fight for civil rights
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  with a father who taught me to understand that the worst sacrella of humanity had
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  been the Holocaust. That was my school of love for democracy and my school
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  of love and commitment to civil rights. This too would be important to educate
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  in the Holocaust. In any case, I tell you to finish, that
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  I am pessimistic. I think it' s growing anti- Semitic in the
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  world. It' s just starting to get worse. I don' t
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  see the necessary defense mechanisms. The dominant story goes in the opposite direction.
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  Doesn' t seem to worry anyone. And in the end, I have
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  the impression, as a European, that we have almost all become Chamberlain going
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  to see Hiller, to see if he didn' t kill us. We
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  can' t be Chambers in any way. We can' t be Chamberer,
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  because that kills us. We have to be citizens committed to the first
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  school of hatred, which is anti- Semitism. We have to be all
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  Churchiu. Thank you for not knowing. I do not know if there are
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  any questions if they are not Croft Thing thinkich s t o the N o
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  N o n t t h Stein n Watrick Spain dis to The Young Peopleline
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  Watto I will answer you in Spanish because I understood you perfectly, but speaking
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  it costs me much more. Obviously, as a mother I am very concerned
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  about young people because they also receive all the hate speech from social networks.
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  They assume and believe that they are defending positive values, attacking Israel or even
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  attacking Jews. This is one of the dramas that we have that many good,
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  decent democratic people demonstrate and take out a banner of never because they think
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  it' s the right thing to do. But of course, problems with
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  young people or university rectors. Where we fail, because the young man,
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  in the end, is a sponge that assumes what he hears. We fail
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  in the media accounts, in the press, we fail in the universities,
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  we fail to be brave in denouncing all this and the youth are only the
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  consequence of something that fails much higher and that we do not fight, that
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  is, in the case, for example, of the information about the Israeli
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  conflict with Gaza. If you say all day long that Israel wants to occupy
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  Gaza, a lie, but you say so, your son will think Israel
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  is a colonizer. If all day long the press says that Israel kills children
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  and not that it is trying to destroy the military structure, never, ever,
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  and so on. So that he' s not attacked again, your
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  son is going to think that Israel is a kill child. In addition to
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  classic anti- Semitic topic in Christianity, Jews drank the blood of Christian children
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  and Portugal Spain in that sense we are clear and now beat children. If
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  television says that the Palestinian people struggle to have a State and nobody knows that
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  they have had five times the chance to create a State and have never wanted
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  it to be in favour of a Palestinian State. Be for an Islamic Republic
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  that we have behind Iran, which we have is ball aiming with 100 zero
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  missiles. If we don' t explain all this, your son will think
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  that Israel is a war criminal, that it' s a murderous, colonizing
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  country, and so on. The period fails, the left- wing intellectuals
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  who would have to say Mira Netanyahu fail, I don' t like it
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  well, but Irraael has a right to defend himself and the Palestinian people are
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  to blame. The Arab countries that have been saying decades that no Palestinian state
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  was offered everything. They never wanted to, and we' d have to
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  report it. Iran, for example, in its role in the region.
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  Not all of this doesn' t exist. The first distortion that occurs in
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  journalism that affects your son and my children. The first distortion is that there
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  is only one conflict, that of Israel. But the hundreds of thousands of
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  deaths in Yemen do not exist. The more than 100- zero displaced Armenians
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  in Nagorno Karabak do not exist. Women fighting in Iran for their freedoms do
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  not exist. The President of Iran is a state criminal, obviously he is
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  massacred to his population in the most brutal way. Someone says so. There
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  are demonstrations in the universities. The president that Harvard would talk about the context
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  doesn' t matter. The only conflict that exists in the media is that
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  of Israel. Israel is the only one to blame. Therefore, the only
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  Jews guilty are the Jews. How to fight so that young people’ s
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  thinking is not distorted. Let' s start by not distorting the media and
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  public narrative. And let' s start there is that there is not much
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  more solution. And then I will try to educate them also in schools with
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  what the Holocaust meant, which is a great school for learning fundamental values.
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  Let me say something that I think is important. I have said this these
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  days in Talks and humanity is summed up Hello, modern civilization is summed up,
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  it is summarized in three books, the Ten Commandments, the Civil and
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  Roman Code and the Charter of Human Rights. There' s everything, everything
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  we' ve built in 2, 000 years, it' s either there
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  or three zero. What is happening now is that this human rights charter,
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  which was common, has been broken into pieces. I defend the fight against
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  hatred, it depends on who, if they are Jews. No. I
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  defend women against rape, it depends on who, if they are Israeli women.
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  Maybe not, and that' s how we' re doing. It
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  is not true that there is an account in favor of human rights, there
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  is a partial account of bits of those human rights and there the anteimitism is
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  not schooled. Everywhere. You' re getting it, it' s not
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  done. Thank you the evangelical churches a place of peace and friendship. You
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  can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood or your population. You
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  ' ll be very welcome.