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Mind Shift, with Mike Lee (Leadership, Mindset, Personal Development, NBA) · The Action Catalyst

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Adam Outland: Welcome back Action Catalyst listeners.
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Today's guest has a tremendous background in both psychology
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and sports, having spent time on the court with elite NBA stars
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such as Steph Curry, and he's blended that experience with
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neuroscience and practical exercises to help leaders face
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challenges for navigating the pandemic to employee retention,
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company culture and more. He's also a sought after speaker and
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founder of Mind Shift Labs. And his name is Mike Lee. Thank you
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for making the time for this, Mike. Where are you Zooming in
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from?
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Mike Lee: LA.
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Adam Outland: Originally from Wisconsin?
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Mike Lee: I am originally from Wisconsin. Yeah, right in the
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middle of state the middle of absolutely nowhere growing up,
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you had to drive I don't know back then the roads weren't the
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same. So we had to go is a good three and a half, maybe four
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hours depending on you know, visit my grandma or parents
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driving along to get to Milwaukee or Minneapolis. So how
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do you What's your connection to this?
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Adam Outland: The nutshell version? When I was in college
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at University of Maryland, I sold educational books door to
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door.
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Mike Lee: So did my buddy. What was it? The company?
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Adam Outland: Southwestern.
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Mike Lee: Yeah. Oh, is this the same? Same organization? No way.
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No way. So yeah, one of my buddies did the same thing. So
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you're familiar with the small town Wisconsin.
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Adam Outland: Oh, yeah.
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Mike Lee: I mean, that's where I grew up.
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Adam Outland: Summer sausage and cheese curds. Man. It was great.
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Mike Lee: It's great when you're that age. Today, it takes a
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toll.
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Adam Outland: You've got to connect the middle of nowhere
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Wisconsin, and you studied a concentration in basketball
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entrepreneurship.
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Mike Lee: You went deep into my bio. Where did you... I don't
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even know where that's listed anymore.
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Adam Outland: Zach's like a ninja at pulling information up.
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Mike Lee: Yeah, I can talk about that a little bit. Yeah, for
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sure. I'm talking about that a long time. But yeah, I think
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it's a great lesson. Actually. Honestly, there's some there's a
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good lesson out of it. So probably like my junior year in
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college, I realized that I was never going to get a job. It
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started my basketball camp, my summer basketball camp. We
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started with one camp small town to Wisconsin, like we've been
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talking about. It kept growing. And we we had 100 kids show up
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the first year town at 15,000 people. The second year was we
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had over 200 kids. Third year was 300 kids and I just I knew I
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wasn't gonna get a job. So my advisor was just very aware of
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what I was going to where it comes from. When you have a
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degree in psychology. At the school, you also have to have a
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minor or a concentration. And so what he'd let me do because he
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was I think he was in charge of the department was he let me
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essentially create my own minor. And he let me create it in
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basketball, entrepreneurship, and I picked all these different
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classes that would help me in this career that I was creating
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kind of Otter nothing I mean, now today, you can pick up a
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rock and throw it you'll hit a basketball trainer that's that's
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working with kids back then you nobody's really, really doing it
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like we were doing it. And so he saw that and realize that T
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should prepare me for real life not going to, you know, get in a
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job and working somewhere. And so that's kind of where that
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came from, yeah he was awesome.
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Adam Outland: Yes. Graduating from what I know around '06, but
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in '05, you also founded the Wisconsin playmakers basketball
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club.
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Mike Lee: Yeah, so in 2003, a buddy of mine, and he were
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talking and like I was talking about earlier, I grew up in a
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town in middle of nowhere, right. And we wanted we just
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wanted to run a basketball camp. And we got a gym, got some
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coaches together. I printed flyers on my I designed a flyer
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in Microsoft Word on my mom's computer, printed it out. We
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just took it around town everywhere we set it out the
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high school coaches, you know, I'm dating myself, but we you
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know, we mailed it. You know, the first year was our kids
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second years to our kids. Bam, by the third year, we had 300
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Kids and at the time, I actually thought I want to coach college
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basketball. And I realized that I wanted to coach college
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basketball, that my best avenue was not going and being a
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manager doing laundry, cleaning the floor at some division one
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school and trying to work my way up. My best way was to
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essentially create my own brand outside of the college
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basketball world, and then leverage that to get into
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coaching college basketball. I wanted to be in the gym. I
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wanted to work with kids. I didn't want to spend my time
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doing the managerial janitorial stuff with a you know, college
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basketball program. And that just kind of evolved. We started
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working with kids from Central northern Wisconsin where there
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were no programs there were you know, you had the drive, like I
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was talking about earlier to Minneapolis or Milwaukee to get
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access to these types of programs. And that's so that's
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We created this club for. And I just believe that these kids had
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an opportunity. Some of these kids with the right train the
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right work the right skills and resources that they can play at
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the same level. And that's what happened. And we had kids that
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went out to play, NCAA Tournament get drafted in the
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NBA Draft two game winning shots in the NCAA Tournament. It just
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was a it just evolved. That's something that I look back on.
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And that's what we did, then, like, we just stay focused on
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the little things. And we just focus on them day after day
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after day after day, and trusted in the process.
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Adam Outland: Do you feel like it was the reps doing some of
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that coaching with the kids that helped form some of what you
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deliver on stage and talk to people about? Talk to me a
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little bit about how you get from where you were doing that
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to what you share on stage today.
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Mike Lee: There's definitely some of that no question about
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it. Being involved in sports, since you know, eight, nine
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years old, you kind of the fish in the water. And you don't
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realize you take for granted a lot of lessons you take for
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granted a lot of the mindsets and the things that the belief
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systems and things that you have to instill in yourself, and
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instill in the people that you're working with the players
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that you're working with, in order to be at an elite level.
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And I think I took that for granted. And so I definitely
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these are definitely things that translate to the business space
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to being a better leader to being a high performer. No
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question about it. But really, the the transition came when I
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you know, we had built this company in Milwaukee, and but I
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always dealt with depression my whole life. I used to get super,
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super depressed in the winters in Wisconsin, not getting out of
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bed till three or four o'clock in the afternoon. Global
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pressure. I mean, it was brutal. I mean, my my barometer was if
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I'm aching out of bed, and I imagined that somebody called me
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and said Kobe Bryant is at your facility right now and he wants
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to get a workout in. And that doesn't excite you and you don't
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want to get out of bed, then you're definitely in a going
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through a depressive state. Yeah. And so it just got to a
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point where I decided that I cannot take another winter here,
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I just cannot take another winter in Wisconsin. And I
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picked up and I had moved out to LA purely for the weather. And I
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decided to get off an antidepressant medication that
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had been on for about 14 years. And getting off of it was one of
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the I shouldn't say one of it was beat up this thing that I
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had ever gone through in my life. There are there's board
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certified doctors at UCLA that are that are now comparing the
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withdrawal symptoms of some of these medications to getting off
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of heroin. Wow. And to get off of it, I decided to commit to a
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daily mindfulness meditation practice. And after a couple
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months of consistent practice, I realized why elite athletes like
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Kobe, white luminaries like Oprah and CEOs, like Steve Jobs
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all attributed some form of a meditation practice to their
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level of success. It gave me the ability to be present to be
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fully present in the moment. And I knew as a former athlete, and
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coach and everything that we want exists in the present
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moment, being in a state of flow exists in the present moment
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being in the zone exists in the present moment, the connection
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that you have to create with the people that you're leading
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exists in the present moment. You want to show up with empathy
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that exists in the present moment, everything that we want,
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as a leader, as a high performer, as an entrepreneur,
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exists in the present moment. And so I realized that that at
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that point, I had a deeper purpose in life. And instead of
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building basketball players, it was the build people on to build
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leaders. And that's one of the inflection points from where
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I've gone from basketball space to what I'm doing today.
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Adam Outland: I love that story. Because it starts with self
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application, right? It's like, oh, no other people need this
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resource. It starts with no, I needed it, right. And then as an
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extension of that I can equip others, but what gave you the
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belief? Not many people just go, Hey, I'm going to move out to LA
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with no network and just randomly start a whole new
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business that I feel really confident. Because there's so
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much associated risk with the idea of relocating and building
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something from the ground up. Talk about that new idea a
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little bit more and getting Mind Shift Labs up and running.
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Mike Lee: Well, there's there's a couple things, I think, yeah,
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I think Tony Robbins says we either we either change because
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we're in so much pain, or because we have a compelling
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vision. We're either pushed by pain or we're pulled by a
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compelling vision. And as you know, I'm not even getting into
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the worst of the worst, but you know, when you are can't get out
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of bed so three or four o'clock in the afternoon. Sometimes
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you're pushed to make a decision, even if it doesn't
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seem rational. Another inflection point was I will was
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going through this period of getting off of getting off a
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medication, there was the acute withdrawal symptoms for several
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months. And then there's what's called the post acute withdrawal
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symptoms, which are where these medications shut down your
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natural serotonin production. And so when you get off of them,
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your body is not producing any serotonin. So after I was
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completely off was actually worse, a good three and a half
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years, or I'm going with that as it is I was trying to make sense
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of all this. I knew given the withdrawal. So there was no way
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I was going back on something like that incredibly emotionally
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unstable. And so I was watching, I am not your guru at Tony
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Robbins, but I know he's kind of a divisive person. Some people
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love them, some people hate them. But they asked, Why do you
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keep doing this? You have houses all across the world, you could
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have quit 10 years ago, why do you keep doing this? And he
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said, I have an insatiable desire or an insatiable desire
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to alleviate suffering for as many people as I possibly can in
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my lifetime. And I just started to cry like crazy, because I
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that gave my pain and suffering purpose, because I knew that
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everything that I was learning, the internal skills, the
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emotional resilience, the self awareness, all of these things,
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I was going to be able to I was building this massive toolkit
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that I'd be able to take and then teach to other people.
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Adam Outland: That's awesome. And it's true. I mean, the it's
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so difficult to give coaching and guidance to others, if you
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don't have the empathy of having been there yourself. Right. And
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so some of the best coaches I know, are people that have had
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some of the darkest moments because they can go there, right
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with clients. So I totally appreciate that. So for the
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listeners on the podcast, I mean, you've worked with some
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really outstanding athletes. You know, Steph Curry is on your
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website, what are some of the things that have translated
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really well from from your personal experience, and it
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makes these things and when I say things, I guess what I'm
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asking for is, you know, what's the strategy? What are some
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ideas you you share that have been effective?
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Mike Lee: I'd love to share something with Steph because
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it's something that I'm still working on today. It's something
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that I learned from him just being or being able to be around
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him at his for skills academy that he ran, then being able to
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stay in touch though in bed, you know, go into pregame workouts
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when he was in LA. And in Milwaukee. The short story is I
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brought a kid with me one year to watch Steph go through a
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pregame workout, a kid that was working with our basketball
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company, and the conversation that unfolded with between this,
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this kid and stuff, I realized that yeah, Steph put a ton of
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time in on the court. He's passionate about the game. But
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he did define his self worth by his performance on the
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basketball court. He was having this conversation with with this
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kid about friends about school about his family, other
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interests outside of basketball, I realized that that stuff
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defines his self worth by the totality of his human experience
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by how he is as a husband, a father, an activist, and
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entrepreneur. And that takes pressure off and when he steps
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out on the court, and this is what allows him to be in this
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state of flow that allows him to play with so much joy, freedom,
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gratitude, and creativity because he goes one for 10 For
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the three point line, or nine for 10. From the three point
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line, when he walks off the court, he's going to feel the
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same way about himself. And so this is what what allows him to
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drop into the present moment where like I was talking about
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before, right? The present moments where everything that we
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want in life in business exists, right, it's in the present
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moment, locking in on that, that task at hand, his belief that I
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am more than an athlete allows him to do that. And I think
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that's a lesson that we can all all take into any area of life.
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I'm more than an entrepreneur, I'm more than a speaker, I'm
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more than a podcast host I'm more than a, whatever it is. It
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allows us to take some of that that weight off that pressure
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off the standards and the expectations that we place on
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ourselves that help us get to the top and also be the things
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that make us fall off the mound. And so I think it sounds
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counterintuitive that we would place our identity in a variety
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of things, but it actually I think it makes us better in all
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areas.
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Adam Outland: Yeah. If you're a parent and your kid is your
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entire life where that kid graduates and doesn't really
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quote unquote need you as much anymore. It tears parents up,
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right? If you're, you're an athlete, and that's your entire
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box like it is for so many college athletes. And so there's
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so much merit I think to everybody that listens to the
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more elaborate your boxes with where confidence is spread out
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between family and health and all these different interests
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and things that you've developed. It creates a lot more
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of a foundation if you if if and when you lose one of those
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spots. Since it doesn't absorb the whole thing.
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Mike Lee: 100% yea. And it's a tough thing. What's really tough
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is when you're so passionate about something to separate
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yourself from it, we're so attached is not the right word,
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intertwine. We're so intertwined with our work, as you know,
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especially if you are an entrepreneur, and this business
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is something that you birth, like, it's your child. Like,
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it's so it's really difficult to do that. But I think there's a
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lot of power in it when you do.
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Adam Outland: You know, it's got some, I guess, relatability to
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like that Zen culture of like, it's not detachment from
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everything in life, but being careful to not put too much
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attachment and interweave too much of yourself and things. I
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mean, is that part of what you believe or agree in somewhat.
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Mike Lee: 100%, I am working on that every single day non
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judgment and detachment, I really want when an event
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happens, like just being completely detached from it, and
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and not judging it, I really don't know, I think it's hard to
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describe this without coming off as being a victim, one of my
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beliefs that I hold and and I truly try to apply this in
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everything that I do. And that's I know nothing, right. And it's
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coming from a place of humility, but also just complete
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detachment from from expectations for results from
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material things for relationships, and it's more so
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coming from it sounds cold, it sounds like, you know, you're
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not Oh, you're not emotionally invested in anything. It's not
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that I'm not emotionally invested in things, I'm just
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psychologically try to detach from an expectation of an
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outcome, I guess, is the best way to put it. Because I think,
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you know, I can't tell you how many things I've worked on in my
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life where I have, I've worked insanely hard at something, and
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it just did not come to life. But there are also things that
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that just kind of came through that I had feel like I had no
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influence on it, right. And so just really coming from that
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place of detachment, I think is super, super powerful. And, and
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the reason it's powerful is it allows you to stay centered, it
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allows you to stay grounded, it allows you to stay in the
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present moment, right? If we get super attached to a future
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outcome that's going to drive our mind so far to the future
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that it takes us off of what we can actually control in the
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present moment. Right. And then if the outcome does not
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manifest, and we are super attached to it, now we are stuck
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in the past. And we're also out of the present moment. So I
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think there's there's a there's a lot of power in in the
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practice of detachment and non judgement.
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Adam Outland: Yeah. So talk about like functionality,
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because knowing this stuff, you gotta meet people where they're
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at, right, and I'm assuming doing the work that you do at
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that level, and you're getting with people that haven't
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experienced any of that, that don't necessarily share that
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core belief set before they start working with you. So what
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are some things that you do in the beginning of a relationship
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to kind of open them up to explore.
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Mike Lee: Such a great question, it comes down to awareness, just
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really being aware of where they're at being able to see the
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next step for them, and not taking them, you know, if they
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only need to go one step not trying to take them eight steps,
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because that's where you're at? I think there is some ego
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involved in that. It's like, well, this is this is where I'm
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at, and this is the knowledge that I have in this moment that
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is relevant for me, and and I, the ego, like I had to achieve
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this or go through this or whatever it is to get to this
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level. So I should be, I should be teaching at this level.
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Right? When the reality of is it's not about you, it's about
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them. And you might have to scale back to make things timely
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and relevant and actionable for where they are at in this
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moment. And so I think it comes down to awareness and getting
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out of your ego.
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Adam Outland: Yeah. So how do you share some of this message,
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some of your message, is an application and leadership that
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helped them change their approach to working with their
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people.
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Mike Lee: I think the first thing is getting clear on vision
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and getting clear on purpose. I think everything is driven from
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those two things ethic when we get crystal clear on those that
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can drive the process to bring bring those things to life and I
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think especially in in today's world, getting crystal clear on
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your purpose and your why is it's just so so important. If I
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didn't have purpose and meaning over the past, just you know
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what, what everything that I've kind of shared you I don't know
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where I would be to be honest with you like I was in some
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really, really bad places. But But I had a connection to
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something bigger than myself, I had some sort of why. And the
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research shows that having a clearly defined purpose,
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improves your motivation improves focus, and improves
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your resilience. And so I think as much as it's important to get
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clear on that, to get to the next level to bring this vision
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to life, it is even more important to get clear on it for
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when you go through adversity. Because when you go through
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adversity, you need a vision to rely upon, you need a why,
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because you're going to get knocked down, things are not
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going to go as planned, the strategy is not going to go from
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A to B, B to C, C to D, like you had written out, your five year
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plan is not going to work. It's more serious, you know, six to
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12 month plan in today's world. And so getting getting clear on
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the why, and then being open to how that actually manifests,
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right? And a perfect example, I guess is is with COVID. And
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hopefully we don't have to go through anything like this
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again. But you know, the reality of it is we're going to go
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through something like something's going to happen,
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right? And so a lot of service based industries that we're
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working with people in person or the fitness industry, the
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speaking industry is a great example. You had to go back.
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Yeah, I can't be with people in person right now. But what is
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the impact that I want to make? And what avenue what, what
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medium can I use in order to get to the end result to get to the
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impact? And I think knowing your purpose allows you to focus on
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not so much be attached to the process of the impact, but the
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impact itself? If that makes sense.
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Adam Outland: Yeah. And I think about college, or high school
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students where they're going through, a lot of them went
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through a massive depressive period during COVID. Because
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they were isolated. I mean, and so I guess, you know, if you
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have one, what would be kind of an action that you would
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suggest, whether it's, you know, a college athlete that maybe
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just got injured, and it's going through that kind of function,
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reprocessing their future, it's, it's figured out a new vision,
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but what what are some other actions that maybe you suggest
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to someone that's pulling themselves out of one mindset
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into a healthier mindset?
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Mike Lee: I got a lot of things that are coming to my mind,
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because I think you know, a lot a lot of people go through
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number number one like talking about for get get clear on a
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vision, get clear on a why. Second thing is to just pay, you
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know, try to operate with a beginner's mindset from the
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standpoint of try to let go of this identity that you had in
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the past and your passion from the past that maybe is maybe
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it's just simply no longer possible. Maybe it is an injury,
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that career ending injury, just it's just simply not possible
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anymore. Probably come from it from a beginner's mindset from
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the standpoint of just being really aware of what your
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interests are. Maybe it's something that you were
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interested in, in high school, but you were just so dedicated
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to basketball or to football, or whatever it is that you just
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couldn't couldn't pursue it. Right. It was just not you had
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to braid one thing for the other pay attention to what just your
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interests are, what were you're interested in, what did you
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maybe want to do that you had to sacrifice? I don't think I feel
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like I'm kind of lucky from the standpoint that that it was
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clear for me. For some people it's not, I think one of the big
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things to keep in mind is you don't always have to be
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operating at this deeper level of purpose. But what you need to
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do is you need to operate with a deep level of intention with
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everything that you do. And so I think, you know, that takes a
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little bit of the pressure off. I think there you know, there's
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a lot a lot of people in the self help space leadership
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space, everything is like you got to find your purpose, find
24:03
your purpose, find your why. Right. And it's like it's not it
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comes when it comes and it's really important to give
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yourself the permission to not have it figured out yet. I feel
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like everything that I've done in my life has been here was a
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pain point. I solved this, I figured it out. And now I'm
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teaching somebody else to go through the same thing that I
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went through. And so look at what are some pain points in
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your life? What are some things what have you had to go through?
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What are the lessons that you've learned? And now how can I use
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this as a way how can I teach others how to go through the
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same thing? Because if you went through it, somebody else went
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through it and you probably have a unique perspective on on it
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that is going to be able to connect with somebody else and
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that's going to be fulfilling right art of purpose is finding
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what's fulfilling. Well, what's fulfilling is, is you know,
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being of service and helping other people out find find At a
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pain point that you want to solve, figure out how to how to
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go through it yourself and teach others to do it. That's a great
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place to start, as you know, give yourself permission to not
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have it figured out and to look at some pain points in your life
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that you had to solve, and that you've learned something from
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and you can teach to other people.
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Adam Outland: Love that. We're going to end this with just
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spitball questions that are somewhat short answer, just a
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piece of technology that you feel you've used. Maybe it's an
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app on your phone that's kind of helped in some of these ways. Is
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there anything you'd recommend?
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Mike Lee: I know, you said, short answer. I mean, up to
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number one, A is fine. If you want to dive into talking about
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meditation a lot in the beginning, you want to dive into
25:41
into meditation, get an app, you have to have a guided audio
25:45
experience, especially when you first start out reading about
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it. And then trying to practice it or not having a guide is
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incredibly frustrating. And you're going to quit because
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it's going to be too challenging. So find a guided
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app, let's face it, great. That's what I use. Second thing
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is I don't talk about this a lot. But there's an app called
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Focus timer. It's an app for it's a desktop app. I don't know
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if they have it for your phone or not. But it's a desktop apps
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for Mac for sure. Maybe for PC. And when you have a task that
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you need to complete, we need like some sort of psychological
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triggers, right? It's like when I was coaching, basketball
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players, every drill that we did, our goal had had to hit
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that goal within a certain timeframe, right, and it creates
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psychological, it's a psychological trigger to get you
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to lock in and get you to focus, right? So a focus timer and set
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a time to complete certain tasks. I think it'll help help
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you level up your focus.
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Adam Outland: Productivity. Yeah. The last question is this
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one piece of advice that you would give yourself at the age
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of 21. Knowing everything you have now.
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Mike Lee: Don't be so hard on yourself. It's all working out
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the way it's supposed to. And the view every adversity as a
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catalyst for growth, and not look at something that's
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happening to you look at it as something that's happening for
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you, and lean into that challenge that adversity with a
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growth mindset. Because what you learn from that experience is
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something that you're going to be able to teach and the more
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you become, the more that you can give. And if you're
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providing value for people, you're not gonna have to worry
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about anything in your life.
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Adam Outland: I think those last few sentences were the perfect
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way to end a great interview. So thank you for making the time
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for this Mike, it was really good.
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Mike Lee: Yeah, thanks for having me on. We'll continue the
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conversation soon.