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The White House Correspondents Dinner Shooting · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: you for listening or watching the show today.
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  Speaker 2: Hope you leave.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully you're watching on the Salem News Channel, you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: on the Salem Radio Network, or in one of our
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  Speaker 1: great affiliates across the United States. The events of this
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  Speaker 1: weekend are front and center, with the would be assassin
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  Speaker 1: being arraigned in Washington, d C. As we speak, or
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  Speaker 1: just momentarily about to conclude. I go back nineteen years
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  Speaker 1: and a week ago to win a killer on Virginia
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  Speaker 1: Tech campus murdered thirty seven people and wounded another dozen,
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  Speaker 1: and NBC got a tape from the crazy person. He
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  Speaker 1: was a complete schizophrenic. I don't think he ever stood trial,
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  Speaker 1: as in a mental institution somewhere for all I know,
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  Speaker 1: miss cho Cho and he murdered all those people, but
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  Speaker 1: before he did. He made a tape, a manifesto, and
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  Speaker 1: he sent it to NBC and without thinking about it,
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  Speaker 1: NBC ran it and at the time, and since I
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  Speaker 1: was enraged at the time, I'm still angry now. You
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  Speaker 1: do not give would be assassin's statement killers. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I call them, statement killers. Whether it's a school shooting
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  Speaker 1: or an attempt to assassinate President Trump, or the attempt
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  Speaker 1: to kill all the Republicans at the baseball field, or
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  Speaker 1: the attempt to burn down Josh Shapiro's house, or the
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  Speaker 1: attempt to anyone who's making a statement, you'd never ever
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  Speaker 1: ever give voice to their statement on the day of
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  Speaker 1: in order to find out whether or not there's a
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy might involve other people. You do have to publicize
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  Speaker 1: the name, but you never have to publicize this statement.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why I hope Barry Wise is changing the
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  Speaker 1: locks at the door at sixty minutes right now. Because
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  Speaker 1: the President the United States, who was the target on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night, pretty obvious, and the cabinet was going to
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  Speaker 1: be the target, pretty obvious, and a bunch of journos
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  Speaker 1: in they I've only been in the White House Courts
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  Speaker 1: Bond Association dinner once. I think it's a ridiculous event.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it, and the President might have juiced
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  Speaker 1: it up a little bit last night might have been funny,
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  Speaker 1: or two nights ago. But sixty minutes gets an interview
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  Speaker 1: with the President the United States, whose job it is,
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  Speaker 1: like he did in the press conference after the attempted
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  Speaker 1: assassination to calm everyone down, to tell everyone everything's fine
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  Speaker 1: here at the White House and heron we're still in
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  Speaker 1: a battle with you. Don't worry, nothing's happened here. We
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  Speaker 1: got our crazy people, and it's a crazy person. So
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  Speaker 1: he gives sixteen minutes to the interview, and they've got
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  Speaker 1: at least a few hours to prepare, and they send
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  Speaker 1: in Nora O'Donnell. And I really never met Nora o'donald,
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  Speaker 1: got nothing against her. But this is the dumbest thing
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  Speaker 1: I think i've since the NBC decision to play the
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  Speaker 1: tape of the Virginia Tech shooter cut number twelve. In
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  Speaker 1: exchange between the President Nora O'Donnell, the so.
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  Speaker 3: Called manifesto is a stunning thing to read. Mister President,
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  Speaker 3: he appears to reference a motive in it. He writes
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  Speaker 3: this quote administration officials, they are targets, and he also
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  Speaker 3: wrote this, I'm no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist,
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  Speaker 3: and trader to coat my hands with his crimes.
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  Speaker 4: What's your reaction, Well, I was waiting for you to
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  Speaker 4: read that because I knew you would, because you're horrible people.
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  Speaker 5: Horrible people.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did write that, I'm not a rapist.
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  Speaker 2: I mean anybody.
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  Speaker 6: I think he was referring to.
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  Speaker 4: Excuse me, I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap
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  Speaker 4: from some sick person. I got associated with stuff that
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  Speaker 4: has nothing to do with me.
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  Speaker 2: I was totally exonerated.
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  Speaker 4: Your friends on the other side of the plate are
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  Speaker 4: the ones that were involved with and let's say Epstein
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  Speaker 4: or other things. But I said to myself, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I'll do this interview and they'll probably read the manifesto.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's a sick person.
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  Speaker 4: But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that because
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  Speaker 4: I'm not any of those things. Excuse me, you shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: be reading that on sixty minutes.
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  Speaker 2: You're a disgrace.
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  Speaker 4: But go ahead, let's finish the interview.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing, although Donald Trump, it is a disgraceful
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  Speaker 1: moment for American journalism, it's not just Nora O'Donnell. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know if I can blame Nora O'Donnell sixty
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  Speaker 1: minutes as an executive producer. They have a line producer
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  Speaker 1: for the segment. They no doubt met all day long.
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  Speaker 1: I've worked with every network, every network, and I've done
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  Speaker 1: debates with CNN and NBC, and I know how these
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  Speaker 1: things work. They have an enormous number of people gathered
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  Speaker 1: in the room talking about questions. It's the next day,
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  Speaker 1: so they've been at it all night. You know, they
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  Speaker 1: get the call from the White House. We'll give you
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  Speaker 1: the interview. The President wants to do an interview to
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  Speaker 1: assure everyone and everything's fine. Compliment the Secret Service do
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  Speaker 1: all the things. I can play all the tape, but
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  Speaker 1: you can watch all forty minutes. It's a forty minute interview,
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  Speaker 1: and I watched all of it. And when that came up,
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  Speaker 1: I said to myself, he is right to be angry.
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  Speaker 1: It is a righteous anger that there is any reason
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  Speaker 1: to read that libel. And it is a libel. It
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  Speaker 1: is a slander, and it has got nothing to It
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  Speaker 1: is to play into the fever dreams of the crazy
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  Speaker 1: people in this country.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a choice.
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  Speaker 1: You've got the President of the United States for forty
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  Speaker 1: minutes every year or six months or so. The President
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  Speaker 1: gives me thirty minutes, that's great, and I try and
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  Speaker 1: pack as much in as possible. I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 1: trap him. I'm not trying to get an emotional reaction
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  Speaker 1: from him. I don't want a viral moment. I want
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  Speaker 1: to ask him about stuff that I think people would
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  Speaker 1: find interesting. There is no reason, none, no news value
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  Speaker 1: in reading a libel about the president to the president.
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  Speaker 1: Accept Some lefty at CBS suggested it to Nora O'Donnell
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  Speaker 1: or demanded that she ask it. So, hey, let's ask
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  Speaker 1: him about this and see what happened. I've been in
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  Speaker 1: these rooms. I know what they want. They want the
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  Speaker 1: president to get much angrier than he got. What they
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  Speaker 1: don't want is exactly what he delivered, a very cool, collected, harsh,
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  Speaker 1: and accurate assessment. Now CBS is now run by Barry Weiss,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope Barry Weiss takes a look at that,
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  Speaker 1: thinks about it, calls everyone in said, who had anything
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  Speaker 1: to do with that segment? You're off this show, and
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  Speaker 1: if I can, you're out of CBS. We're not doing
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  Speaker 1: that anymore. We're not in the business of trying to
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  Speaker 1: gig and gash the president of the United States, no
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  Speaker 1: matter what their party is. We're in the news business
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a war with Iran, one that
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  Speaker 1: could escalate, one that I hope does escalate. President brings
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  Speaker 1: up Iran, all right, he brings up the door's open
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  Speaker 1: to ask about newsworthy subject matter. I actually think Nora
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  Speaker 1: O'Donnell ran out of question. I've seen that happen before,
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  Speaker 1: when Richard Nixon came back from California to New York
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  Speaker 1: and he refused to do sixty minutes because.
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  Speaker 2: He knew he they would edit him that. He just
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  Speaker 2: knew it.
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  Speaker 1: And so he sat down with ABC News Barbara Walters.
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  Speaker 1: One ground roll, We're not going to talk about Watergate.
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  Speaker 1: I did Watergate with the Frost interviews. I did Watergate
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  Speaker 1: with our n the book this is the book, the
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  Speaker 1: real War. We're going to look for forward. And they agreed,
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  Speaker 1: and Barbara Walters went right to Watergate and Nixon then
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  Speaker 1: just gave her one word answers. That's in the room
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  Speaker 1: Upper West Side of New York. And that's when I
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  Speaker 1: learned that the media is full of liars and frauds.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when, by the way, the American media began
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  Speaker 1: to lose the confidence of the American people because of
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  Speaker 1: garbage questions like that.
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  Speaker 2: Some other things.
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  Speaker 1: The President said, I thank you out of here. In
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  Speaker 1: case you didn't see the sixty minute interview. Cut number five.
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  Speaker 4: We are consequential. This is a consequential presidency. I have
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  Speaker 4: a great cabinet and they do things that are very good.
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  Speaker 4: But some people, you know, don't be good for us
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  Speaker 4: and not good for other people, like as an example, Iran,
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  Speaker 4: when they're not going to have a nuclear weapon, they
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  Speaker 4: will not have They're not going to blow up the world.
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  Speaker 1: I play that to show you he opened the door
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  Speaker 1: to questions about Iran, and she was unprepared. They blew
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  Speaker 1: a forty minute opportunity with the President to talk about
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  Speaker 1: world historical matters. Cut number six.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Presner, I wonder how much has the Secret Service
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  Speaker 3: and the FBI briefed you about this suspect Cole Thomas Allen.
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  Speaker 3: Have you read what a senior US official is describing
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  Speaker 3: to us as a manifesto? Did you know that he
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  Speaker 3: emailed it to family members?
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  Speaker 2: Not we found it before this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Right before the attack.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we found that out this morning, and the family
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  Speaker 4: members were concerned. I think the brother called up the police.
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  Speaker 4: I think the sister may have called the police. The parents,
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  Speaker 4: who were rather devastated. He lived with the parents, so
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  Speaker 4: the parents last night on television opening the door, I
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  Speaker 4: assaid that was his parents.
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  Speaker 1: So my point being, it's so devoid of news value.
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  Speaker 1: Were you aware that he sent the manifesto?
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  Speaker 2: It was away for her.
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  Speaker 1: It's a bridge question to bring up the manifesto, you see,
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  Speaker 1: And he didn't take the bait. He didn't say anything
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  Speaker 1: about the content of the manifesto, and then she stepped
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  Speaker 1: on the rake. I really you've probably seen the Jimmy
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  Speaker 1: Kimmel discussing quote joke from two nights before the dinner.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Lady Malania Trump having the globe and expectant widow.
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  Speaker 1: He won't be off the air tonight because Legacy media
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  Speaker 1: doesn't know how to change. They're run by left wingers
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  Speaker 1: for left wingers, and they don't want to state the obvious.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazed lunatic. Is a crazed lunatic of the left,
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  Speaker 1: pedaling leftist conspiracies and going to no King's rally. Doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean everyone at the No King's Rally is a leftist
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy lunatic. It just means that the waters in which
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  Speaker 1: this particular thirty year old would be assassin and with
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  Speaker 1: swimming were from the wacky left, not the craze left.
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  Speaker 1: The wacky left. Stay tuned America, Abe Greenwald, Morgan back America.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt joined now by Abe Greenwald, Executive editor
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  Speaker 1: of Commentary magazine Mourning Columnsts for Commentary, regular participant in
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  Speaker 1: the Commentary Pod. A by way background on you and
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  Speaker 1: I traveled the same road in parallel today. I was
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  Speaker 1: writing a column during a three hour drive my wife
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  Speaker 1: was driving about the events of Saturday night, and with
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  Speaker 1: about five hundred words about it. Norah O'Donnell's disgraceful questions
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  Speaker 1: of the president, you've got stuff to say about that.
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  Speaker 2: I've already had my turn. You're up at bat. What
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  Speaker 2: did you make of that interview?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 7: It takes a lot to leave me flabbergasted, but that
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  Speaker 7: certainly did it. You know, I remember there was a
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  Speaker 7: time when the press talked about not publishing or amplifying
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  Speaker 7: the manifestos of spree killers and assassins and would be
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  Speaker 7: assassins for fear that they would spur copycats and so on.
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  Speaker 8: But really that only happens in the.
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  Speaker 7: Cases as far as I could tell, when the assassin
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  Speaker 7: or the shoe is trans because Noura O'Donnell seemed to
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  Speaker 7: pick through this manifesto for talking points and actually put
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  Speaker 7: questions to Trump to answer the charges of his would
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  Speaker 7: be assassin.
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  Speaker 8: One day later.
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  Speaker 7: So it's extraordinary. And I didn't even find that to
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  Speaker 7: be the most extraordinary part. The most revealing part was
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  Speaker 7: that she had the nerve later in the interview to say,
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  Speaker 7: what would you say, mister President, to those people in
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  Speaker 7: this country who are promoting political violence?
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  Speaker 1: If I was, I'm so flabbergastaid, that's a great word.
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  Speaker 1: By the collapse of the CBS News division. Now you
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  Speaker 1: know how this works, or I send you to They
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  Speaker 1: meet all day long with the executive producer, the line producer,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of associate producers, and random people from CBS.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if Barry's in the room or not.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt it very much. They get an opportunity of
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  Speaker 1: a lifetime and you know, he opens the door to
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  Speaker 1: talking about Iran, and they don't even ask him any questions,
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  Speaker 1: and then about Iran, and then she runs out of questions.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed this. She's repeating herself
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  Speaker 1: at the end, trying to fill up forty minutes because
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  Speaker 1: the President just cut motored down. What would you do
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  Speaker 1: if you're Barry White? I don't know if you can
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  Speaker 1: save that program's editorial staff.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean, Barry is very competent. She I haven't
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  Speaker 7: spoke to her about this, but I have no doubt
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  Speaker 7: that she's horrified by what's happened. She's well aware of
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  Speaker 7: the larger problem. I think you've got to go back
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  Speaker 7: to square one, talk about what your job is, what
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  Speaker 7: is not being done, what the American news consumer is
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  Speaker 7: not receiving, which is news? And this is there's a
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  Speaker 7: larger problem here, and it's that goes well beyond CBS,
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  Speaker 7: the liberal mainstream legacy.
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  Speaker 8: Media, whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 7: Their total embrace of very dangerous figures who promote violence
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  Speaker 7: has created and I wrote this today in my daily newsletter,
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  Speaker 7: something of a national emergency here.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, don't forget this comes this Saturday night. Was
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  Speaker 8: the attempt at shooting.
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  Speaker 7: Last week The New York Times homepage featured a podcast
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  Speaker 7: discussion with Hassan Piker and Tool writers discussing the virtues
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  Speaker 7: of resistance, crime and terrorism. And that's hardly Hassan Piker's
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  Speaker 7: first fluff job.
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  Speaker 5: On the homepage of The New York Times.
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  Speaker 1: Last week and last week they had Jimmy Kimmel making
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  Speaker 1: jokes about the glow of an expectant widow Milania Trump.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's as though all decency is exiled from
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  Speaker 1: the media, and it's just basically it's not politics, I agree.
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  Speaker 8: And it's not just the media either.
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  Speaker 7: It's it's among the politicians and the other figures that
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  Speaker 7: that that that liberals have decided entirely to embrace.
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  Speaker 8: Don't forget last week.
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  Speaker 7: A week before last week, zoronmom Donnie made a video
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  Speaker 7: announcing his new Pieta tere Tex, in which he essentially
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  Speaker 7: docked Citadel CEO Ken Griffin, showing showing where his penthouse is,
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  Speaker 7: giving the address, painting him as some sort of evil
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  Speaker 7: sinner for spending money in New York and and bringing jobs.
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  Speaker 8: And revenue to New York.
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  Speaker 7: Mom Donnie has over ten million followers on social media who.
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  Speaker 2: Will see this vigure.
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  Speaker 1: This does the city It doesn't take an amazing cruscin
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  Speaker 1: to realize he's telegraphing to everyone who sees his channel.
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  Speaker 1: Come here and demonstrate. Abe is going to stay with
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  Speaker 1: me for another segment because we have to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the correlation causation of anti Semitism in a country with
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  Speaker 1: the rise of extreme and violence. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I've been saying the same thing for twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Years since NBC ran the tape of the Virginia Tech Killer.
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  Speaker 1: So I haven't changed my mind. This is just out
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  Speaker 1: of bounds, say to walking back to America. Hugh Hewitt
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  Speaker 1: inside the Belwagh, joined by Abe Greenwall in New York.
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  Speaker 1: Abe is the executive editor of Commentary magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Abe.
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  Speaker 1: I've read you right somewhere or I heard you say
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  Speaker 1: in the Commentary podcast that there is a core relation
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  Speaker 1: between the rise and anti semitism in a country or
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  Speaker 1: a nation or a society and incidents of political violence,
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  Speaker 1: even those that are unrelated to anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: Did I get that right? Was that you? That was me? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I did. I spoke about it and and wrote about it.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 7: Look as you explain on that expound Yeah, I think
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  Speaker 7: you know we've talked a lot at commentary and a
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  Speaker 7: lot of other people have about all the terrible ways
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  Speaker 7: that a thriving nation begins to circle the drain once
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  Speaker 7: it turns on its Jews. And there's no better evidence
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  Speaker 7: of this than what we're seeing now with.
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  Speaker 5: The violence of the culture.
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  Speaker 7: Because really, everything we're talking about here, if you want
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  Speaker 7: to talk about the the the attempts to h on
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  Speaker 7: Donald Trump's life, the shooting Brian Thompson in New York City,
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  Speaker 7: many others, this all comes in the wake of October
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  Speaker 7: seven and the mainstreaming of people who are chanting globalize,
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  Speaker 7: the fatap in Devada and from the River to the sea.
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  Speaker 7: And the problem is, once you legitimize violent anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 7: you have broken the social contract.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 7: You have opened the door to all sorts of grotesqueeries
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  Speaker 7: and you don't get to choose which come through now,
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  Speaker 7: because you have made it okay to scapegoat a particular
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  Speaker 7: group and do violence in the name of that scapegoating.
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  Speaker 7: And once you give that permission, every manner of evil,
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  Speaker 7: malicious person will take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 2: And we're seeing that, I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 1: It accelerated at an exponential rate after ten seven, and
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  Speaker 1: the excuse was Israel's necessary war against Gaza. And now
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  Speaker 1: we are up to random violence and no kings, rallies
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  Speaker 1: and rhetoric of extraordinary veracity ferocity. Now I know what
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  Speaker 1: the left will say. They'll say it's a both sides problem.
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  Speaker 1: Blame President Trump for his various posts which have crossed
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  Speaker 1: lines of decency in their eyes. But he hadn't called
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  Speaker 1: for violence against anyone. And this is I think where
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  Speaker 1: we have to begin to draw some lines about assault.
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  Speaker 1: And assault is the legitimate fear of an unpermitted touching.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it is in the law of fifty States.
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  Speaker 1: And we really have to start to draw a reasonable time, place,
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  Speaker 1: and manner restrictions that are neutral about this. And then
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  Speaker 1: on college campuses are anywhere where people break them, we
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: have to enforce the law.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: And I don't think you're.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Going to get that in New York, by the way,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna get that in New York, but
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: everywhere else we ought to get it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: Well, Look, I mean, what is the Trump Administration's cracked
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: down on elite schools having permitting anti semitism really about?
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: It is about, on.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: Some level enforcing the law, because what these schools did
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: was violate the civil rights of Jews. Jewish student civil
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: rights were not protected on these campuses.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: That's illegal.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: You cannot have a space where someone says.
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: You cannot cross this lawn because you're Jewish.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: You can.
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: However, that is what's going on, So it's not you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: it's not the code of conduct of a particular university.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Civil rights have been violated here.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Now, last question, we've got twenty years of expanding violence.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: That's sort of like the sds of my youth when
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they were going around blowing up townhouses in Greenwich Village.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Those kids, however, were at least well read dummies.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: They were well read radicals.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Today's radicals are stupid and I mean ignorant, not incapable
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: of learning.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: They have refused to read a book.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Do you think we've abandoned credentialing people before they are
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: allowed to have opinions that enter into Like Hassan Piker
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was interviewed by The New York Times.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, he doesn't know anything,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: does he?
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: No?
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: No, That was the most extraordinary thing about that discussion,
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: where the three of them are talking about the virtues
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: of violence, is that they sound like morons.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: I mean, I just I don't know how else to
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: put it.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: They have they have no sort of history they have,
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: they have no political theory.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: To speak of.
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: The problem is not a lack of credentialing.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: I think the problem is credentialing because what the university
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: system and various other parts of the establishment have credentialized is.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: Those who attained a certain status in.
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Being able to articulate a particular leftist ideology.
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: That's the credential and that is the problem.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But if we went through the New York Times newsroom
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Hire is forty and under and every other legacy newsroom,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and we gave them an objective test about American history
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: or world history, or political theory or anything that that
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: would be sort of a basic building block of informed
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: political dialogue. How many of them do you think would pass?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: What percentage?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: Oh, I don't know, ten less than ten percent.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I have no idea ten percent.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's astounding. They know nothing. And that's
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: about the United States.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: Then they get to the Middle East and then all
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: bets are off.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Then you know they have they have a count they
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: have a counter history that they know perfectly.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Well they have that down pad has nothing to do
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: with anything that it's actually happened.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope that tomorrow I've got a Fox column
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: coming out. The one thing I'd like to know are
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the correlations, causation linkages between all of the statement killers
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: and would be killers of the last twenty years. Something
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: has gone wrong in our education system, something has gone
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: wrong in our parenting system. And Jonathan Height can talk
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: about the problem of cell Phonius, but it's much much
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: deeper than that. We've just abandoned basic decency and discipline
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: at a young age and the demand on students that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: they learn something that come into a right podcast helps
• 24:01
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• 24:07
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• 24:10
  Speaker 1: right back on The Hue Hewitt Show. Welcome Back, America.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewitt. Senator Tom Cotton is from the great
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: state of Arkansas. Senator Cotton, I want to welcome you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: back and begin with a lighthearted subject. I assume all
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: razorback fans will now be Browns fans that Taylor green
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: is going to go up to Cleveland and turn that
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: program around.
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: Well, he's an incredible as plate to you. Maybe more
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: than that. I think he's a fine young man and
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: the Browns can certainly use some turning around. But I'm
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: not sure even that is enough to convert many of
• 24:46
  Speaker 9: us to Browns fans. I think you should button for
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: punishment and want to teach characters of their children.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: You should lead the.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: You should lead the way. You should just absolutely adopt
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the Browns. Second thing, my friend Rob Lockwood had a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: piece in the Post Tuesday, before the terrible events of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: this weekend, urging that President Trump and the Congress get
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: behind getting rid of English as our official language and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: making it American. I think that's got to be a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: ninety ten issue, making American our official language.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: What do you think.
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: It sounds like my kids? You asked sometimes, if those
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: people speak American?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so let's just make it official. Consider being
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a co sponsor none of the serious stuff. Norah O'Donnell
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: last night repeated a libel to the President less than
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: twenty four hours after a crazy person tried to kill him.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: What do you make of that? Editorial judgment?
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: Not right, Hugh, and something we hope to see better
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: judgment out of at CBS now that they're under new management,
• 25:47
  Speaker 9: and I suspect we will see it. I mean, I've
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: never been a big fan of reading manifestos of these
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: crazy people who are trying to kill the president or
• 26:00
  Speaker 9: kill school children or what have you, in part because
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: that's what they want. I'd prefer that we not even
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: share their names and give them that kind of notoriety
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: because I think it encourages other mentally unbalanced people. Yeah,
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: not the fine stower of the Tiffany Network.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's possible to turn You
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: broke the New York Times single handedly three years ago,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: and I don't know that it's possible to turn the
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: legacy media around. Have you seen any good signs that
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: legacy media is returning to the median.
• 26:32
  Speaker 10: No?
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Not really, Hugh.
• 26:33
  Speaker 9: I mean, I will credit the new leadership at CBS.
• 26:37
  Speaker 9: They do seem to be making an effort despite that
• 26:40
  Speaker 9: misstep last night, as you look at the CBS Evening
• 26:43
  Speaker 9: News and some of the analysts they brought on board,
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: including a former aid of mine.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Aaron McClain, is a great pick up.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: Yeah, who does very very good analysis of strategy and warfare.
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: But obviously there's a lot of a lot of the
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: older games still in place as well, So again one
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: missed up. But I have seen some provement there, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 9: no other networks, and I've been or newspapers not even
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: making an effort. It's been twenty years and you can
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: see yeah, I mean, and you can see it too
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: in the Converridgees, New York Times and Washington Posts and
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: others of the worn Iran I mean, they're they're in
• 27:17
  Speaker 9: effect rooting against our troops and rooting against America. Tom Friedman,
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: you know, kind of let it slip a couple of
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: weeks ago when he said that, yeah, you know, Iran
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: is bad and they're an enemy of America, but gosh,
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: i'd hate to hit CDB. And Trump did a political win,
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: so you know, I guess I'm not rooting for us now.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: The King and Queen of England has arrived at the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: White House, so I don't know how much Iran policy
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: they'll be doing over the next few hours. But the
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Huett plan is to give Iran a list of thirty
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: oil facilities ending with carg Island, and then bomb them
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: one day after the other and destroy it. I don't
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: want to impoverish the Iranian people. But these are lunatics
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: and we don't want to put a lot of forces
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: on the ground. When do we start to hit them.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: We're grabbing their ships on the high seat full of
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: oil and they're not exporting, and they're brimming to their
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: field of the brim with the unused oil. But should
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: we not begin to take out their infrastructure and poverish them?
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean a huge time is not on the
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: run side here. They are rapidly running out of storage
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: space for their oil. If they run out storage space
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: and they have to shut down their wells, that is
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: basically closing them for good in many cases, because those
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: wells are so old and brittle, and oil well is
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: not like the faucet in your kitchen that you can
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: just turn on and off, even under the best circumstances,
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: you know, under the newest, say American wells. In the run,
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: they have some of the oldest and most fragile wells imaginable.
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: They're also losing up to five hundred million dollars a
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: day in foreign currency from those exports, which they also
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: can't import what their people and their industries need. So
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: time is rapidly running out for a run to make
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: some hard choices. And as the President said, and as
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: Sherman Kane has said as well, we're posted to start
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: hitting around at any time again.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Now, do you think their regime has settled into a recognizable,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: coherent leadership structure. I don't know that how many two
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: point zero was involved in this so that they keep
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: putting out statements in his name, But do you think
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: there's a decision pyramid there that we can actually rely
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: on in negotiations.
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I would not put a lot of stocks in
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: Freido hominy. There's the reason why his dad did not
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: want him to take over, and it wasn't just because
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: they had a rule against inherited power. I think there
• 29:37
  Speaker 9: are obviously some power centers jocking for power view and
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: some of that at times has burst out into the open,
• 29:44
  Speaker 9: as it did last weekend when some of the civilian
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: officials said the start up romoers were open and the
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: Revolutionary Guard leadership, who have all of the guns, said
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: no they aren't. We saw who won that dispute. But
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: I think we should realize that there are no moderates
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: in iran Hu. There may be people have different perspectives
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: of how to advance the interest of the revolutionary revolutionary regime.
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: But there are no moderates. I mean, was it the
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: moderates who mowed down tens of thousands of their own
• 30:12
  Speaker 9: people in the streets in January before the so called
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: card liners to go over. This is a mess again
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: perpetuated by the liberal media in America because they want
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: to claim that Donald Trump has made things even worse,
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: when in reality, of course, we are so much better
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: off than we were ten months ago when Iran was
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: on the threshold of a nuclear breakout and had thousands
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: and thousands of missiles and drones owned with us.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Now in terms of the endgame ahead of us here,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I don't really care because it don't impact me.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not a trucker.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not someone who depends upon gas for a living,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: but I know some Americans are hurting from that. Nevertheless,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I think we've got to see this through to the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: end of the regime. And I know that truism is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you can't change a regime from the air. But the
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: precision strike force capability that we have, I'm not sure
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: that's true anymore. Are you sure that's true anymore?
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: Well, it's a very big country view and it's hard
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: to do from there. I will say this there, Israel
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: obviously has exquisite intelligence capability in kind of Iran. You know,
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: last summer, for instance, we weren't just bombing the condos,
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: condo buildings where senior generals were staying, or their luxury
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: of penthouses.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: And by the.
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: Way, isn't it funny that the Revolutionary Guard generals are
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: all staying in luxury of penthouses, But we were putting
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: missiles through the specific window of specific room in which
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: they were at that moment. Look at the Madua rate
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: for that matter, and the intelligence we had on Nicholas Maduro.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: So just because bombs are not falling in I ran
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: right now, I think it's fair to say that there's
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: still a lot of things going on behind the scene
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: and have been for a long time to prepare the
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: ground for this moment.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: And our last technical question the President called on DHS
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: funding in the aftermath of Saturday, is that budget reconciliation
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: on the move?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: We have a minute, Senator, we do.
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: The Senate passed the bill last summer that free funded,
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: if you will, border patrol and ice because we anticipated
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: the Democrats and try to shut them down. And therefore,
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: we sent the House a bill about a month ago
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: that would fund the rest of Homeland Security. Since bred
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: control and ICE already funded at least at the end
• 32:21
  Speaker 9: of this year, we would like to see the House
• 32:25
  Speaker 9: pick that bill up and pass it to get things
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: like the Secret Service and FEMA and the Coast Guard
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: and the rest of Homeland Security funded. The bill that
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: we passed in the Senate, I should say, the budget
• 32:36
  Speaker 9: that we passed and sent to the House last week
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: would pick up border patrol and ICE funding at the
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: end of this year and extended all the way through
• 32:43
  Speaker 9: the end of the Trump administration. So the immediate action
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: to take for the Secret Service and other elements of
• 32:48
  Speaker 9: DHS is simply for the House to pass the funding
• 32:51
  Speaker 9: bill that we sent them about a month ago.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Sentaer Tom Cottana, I'd go to talk to you.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Glad that you're in the Bronze faithful fold now and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: we will talk again soon.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Stay tuned, America. I'm ju Ju. Welcome back, America.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I'm Hugh Hewittt.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: One person in the United States has experience talking to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: President Donald Trump after an assassination attempt that's my guest,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Selena Zido, who is standing next to him in Butler,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: when the President was shot a year and a half ago,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and then the following day, talked to him what a
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: half dozen times? Selena, So I have a question for you.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: If you had been Nora O'Donnell last night, you'd had
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: a chance to ask suggested or what to ask the president?
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: What would you have suggested? She asked the president.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: The first thing I would ask is how are you doing?
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: How are you feeling?
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: How are you and why do you sort of what
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: The first thing I asked them how do you comport
• 33:49
  Speaker 11: yourself in these moments? Because you seem to be you
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: have a calmness about you that spills over into the
• 33:58
  Speaker 11: people watching it. Right, Like remembering Butler, everyone remarked about
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: why is everyone so calm?
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: Why is it freaking out?
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: And it was the same way in the ballroom on
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: Saturday night. And his explanation to me was one of
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: the most powerful things that you will find in my
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: book Butler. It's so relatable but yet so uplifting to
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: hear him talk about how he sees the office of
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: the presidency and how he's supposed to show it in
• 34:31
  Speaker 11: a moment where there is vulnerability and.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Violence.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Then he gave the press conference immediately after he hit
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: that out of the park, and then he gave the
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: interview to Norah O'Donnell. And I'm kind of fixated on
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: this because it cross my I got very few redlines
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: for the media with President Trump. Ask him whatever you want.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: He used to it, but don't read him the libel
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: from the shooter's manifesto.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Just don't do.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: And that's a rule I've had since the Virginia text shooting.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: What did you make of Norah O'Donnell reciting back to
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: him the libel in the shooter's manifesto.
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: Well, what she was reading back to him is something
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: that you can find every day on cable news in
• 35:15
  Speaker 11: particular MSNBC or whatever they're called right now, or talking
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: points on Twitter or social any social media that comes
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: from the left or comes from Democratic officials, And it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 11: so vulgar for her to put that out there after
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: what happened to him, again in front of the entire country.
• 35:43
  Speaker 11: I don't understand what she was trying to get.
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: Across in that moment. I really don't understand that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, when we do rehearsals for debates with networks,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: we anticipate reactions of the candidates, and so they've rehearsed
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: this with the CBS sixty minutes. I think they must
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: have expected him to get much more visibly angry than
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: his rather measured your horrible people in the plural, because
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: he knows that it's a team. It's not just nouro down.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You're horrible people, And that was a horrible people moment.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if she's a horrible person, but I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: know it's a horrible people moment. I don't understand why
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: anyone would do that. And they didn't ask him anything
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: about Iran. He opened the door to Iran. They wasted
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: forty minutes with the president is what I thought. They
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: wasted it.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: They really did.
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: It was almost a show designed to get clicks and
• 36:38
  Speaker 11: that substance, which is probably exactly the way it was designed.
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: There were so many moments where you could have had
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: a meaningful dialogue with the President on numerous.
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: Topics.
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: And I really want to make this point in that
• 36:55
  Speaker 11: President Trump expects hard questions, he welcomes, then he loves
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: robust debate. Robust questions is not reading lible what she
• 37:08
  Speaker 11: did was not a robust question. It doesn't open debate,
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: It doesn't give you insight into his thinking. And that
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: was that was a shameful moment for her, and I
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: know she can do.
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: Better than that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, he mentioned Iran, He brought it up
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: suic Sponte, So that opens the door to saying, do
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: you think Iran is still trying to kill you? Do
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: you think they will continue to try and kill you?
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Are you going to finish the job in it? I mean,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: there's so much way to make news and make it
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a meaningful interview and move on from what is in
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: essence a closed door subject. They got the guy. Did
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you notice, by the way, he.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Knew Thomas Crook's SATs?
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: No, I did not.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: He talked about Thomas Crooks getting sixteen hundred on his SAT.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he did or not, but someone
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: told the president that obviously, and the FBI.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Do we know anything about Crooks yet to your knowledge?
• 38:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, we know enough about him that this is
• 38:07
  Speaker 11: a young man that suffered a psychological break in November
• 38:10
  Speaker 11: of twenty twenty three, and his father and his parents
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: tried to do everything. I'm not saying what they did
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: was right. I'm just saying they thought they could handle it, right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: They were also embarrassed by it. They wanted to fix it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 11: That parents think that way all the time, but usually
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: it's over minor stuff, right, it's not about a mental breakdown.
• 38:35
  Speaker 11: And you know, I think that's that's where the Crooks
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: story is and ends where this young man. The scary
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: thing about him is that he doesn't seem like.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: He had a mental break like he thinks he's a hero.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I have my own take.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I need more information, but there's some gaps in the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: narrative about him from cal Tech in twenty seventeen till now,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: and he's an SAT tutor. There's some gaps there. It's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: not it's not a normal career path, and so I expect.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, right, yeah, Texans, great school.
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: Why is he teaching SAT part time?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: That's a he's not a teacher, he's a tutor a
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: part time, right, Why.
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: Is he doing that? When you went to cal Tech?
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Cal Tech is like MT California.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Right, No, you see ism. I t of California. But
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: it's pretty good. I mean, I'm joking. It's a very
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: very prestigious engineering and technical computer science school. I don't know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and I have no way of knowing, and I don't
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: think it's a productive line of questioning for Noah O'Donnell.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: I just think that as long as that, we can't
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: expect the country to recover, so.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Long as the media stays broken. Last word, do you
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: agree or disagree with that?
• 39:55
  Speaker 11: I agree there could have been an incredibly meaning full conversation.
• 40:01
  Speaker 11: There's so much you could have gleaned from that. The
• 40:03
  Speaker 11: American people could have learned again, a numerous topics when
• 40:08
  Speaker 11: you can. The trick about President Trump, and I bet
• 40:12
  Speaker 11: you will agree with me on that is you can
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: ask him hard questions, but you can also be very conversational,
• 40:19
  Speaker 11: which even brings more out of him.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: There are presidents that are like that.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: George W.
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: Bush was like that as well, and you can really
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: get rich detail.
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: And insight into something you normally might need.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And she didn't want to talk about the ballroom, and
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: he wanted to talk about the ballroom. But there are
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of different ways you can go on the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: ballroom to get the other news. But they're so not
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: good at interviewing.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just astonished by how bad people are at interviewing.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: But Selena Zeito. Here's always a great interview. Thank you
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: for joining me. Follow Selena on acced Zo.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Selena.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Her website is Selenazito dot com. Stay tuned, America. I'll
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: be right back, mord and gloried even grace in America.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I'm Heugh Hewett. Welcome to our three on the program.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired the United
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: States Navy.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Admiral. Good to see you. I want to begin by
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: telling you the Iranian Foreign Ministry two.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Hours ago posted a x account posts damning the outright
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: legalization of piracy and armed robbery on the high seas
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: because we've taken three of their oil tankers in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Indian Ocean.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think they like that, Admiral.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: They don't look this blockade's working.
• 41:28
  Speaker 12: The blockade's job is boring work, but important. It stops
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: ships from proceeding into and out of the Gulf's do
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: I think there's been one or two leakers, maybe since
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: it started. But what they're bitching about is that ships
• 41:45
  Speaker 12: that got out before we set the blockade and were
• 41:47
  Speaker 12: meandering along their way, probably to India or China, with
• 41:53
  Speaker 12: shadow on shadow fleet, ships with sanctioned Iranian oil were
• 41:58
  Speaker 12: run down by the US Navy and appropriately seized on
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: the high seas. This is absolutely are you know, we
• 42:07
  Speaker 12: have the we have the right to do this, and
• 42:11
  Speaker 12: you know the US is This US blockade is a
• 42:14
  Speaker 12: response to the Iranian ongoing blockade that started on day
• 42:19
  Speaker 12: two or three of the war when they attacked ships
• 42:22
  Speaker 12: and caused a shipping to all freeze inside the Arabian golf.
• 42:25
  Speaker 12: And they never came off of that, by the way,
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: even though they promise they did and the President said
• 42:29
  Speaker 12: they did, they never did. And as soon as the
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: President realized that, he put the blockade in place.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Now, Admiral the Hewett plan I've been peddling to pundits
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: who don't know anything about They're like me, they're just civilians,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: is to give the Iranians a list of thirty targets
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: oil infrastructure and hit one a day, ending with carg Island.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: If they don't open the straight up, what do you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: make of hitting oil infrastructure because we're going to destroy
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: it anyway. They can't pump the oil anymore.
• 42:56
  Speaker 12: So look, we have to take a hard look at
• 42:58
  Speaker 12: what our Arab You know, we're about more than ourselves,
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: and I know sometimes people don't think we're that way,
• 43:04
  Speaker 12: but we are.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: We're about our.
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: Air partners in Israel and this as well. Israel would
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: be fine if we started doing that, our air partners
• 43:12
  Speaker 12: would be at risk, not.
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: All of them.
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: I think the UA, the United Arab Emirates, has figured
• 43:16
  Speaker 12: out both ballistic missile, cruise missile and drone defense, but
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: I think some of the other countries.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: Are not quite there yet. We need to check on that.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: If they're there, if they've gone.
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: To the Ukrainians, gotten the air defense, the counter drone
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: interceptors they need, if they've been able to restock or
• 43:34
  Speaker 12: reset themselves and Patriot, if they're aircraft, are ready with
• 43:39
  Speaker 12: the advanced precision killed weapon system, that drone system that
• 43:42
  Speaker 12: the Ukrainians. It's American, but the Ukrainians professional, you know,
• 43:47
  Speaker 12: have used effectively against your head.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: If that's all set, I'd do it.
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: But you know, the natural response when we hit one
• 43:53
  Speaker 12: a day is they'll start hitting Arab infrastructure one a day.
• 43:57
  Speaker 12: So we just need to make sure that the Arabs
• 43:58
  Speaker 12: are ready.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Tell me whether or not there are alternatives to opening
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: the strait that don't involve destroying their infrastructure and squeezing
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: them because right now they're being squeezed. They've got a
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: gasoline price hike crisis going on, and so economically they're
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: melting down. Is there any alternative? I guess we've hit
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: three out of four of the target lists that we
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: had originally, so there's set twenty five percent of the
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: targets left. But what else can we do except squeeze them?
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: So look, I think it's two.
• 44:28
  Speaker 12: The first thing I would do is could keep this
• 44:30
  Speaker 12: if the President has the discipline for it and the patients,
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: this blockade is the right answer. It's taking America's greatest
• 44:37
  Speaker 12: strength or economic power, mixing it with our greatest military strength,
• 44:41
  Speaker 12: our naval seat power, and crushing the Iranian economy one
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: day to time. And that's one way to me that
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: long it's a long term. It's a long play. I
• 44:53
  Speaker 12: would take it. I think it's a it's a months
• 44:56
  Speaker 12: not weeks thing, but it gets us there. Now. There
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: are some ways it could be weeks. You know, they
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: could have a saddle breakdown, in which case it would
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: be weeks not months.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: But that is longer. One.
• 45:06
  Speaker 12: There is a military solution where we reinitiate combat operations
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: and strike heavily along the maritime coast to try to
• 45:15
  Speaker 12: remove mine whatever mines are still in stowage, drones and stowage,
• 45:19
  Speaker 12: and small boats in stowage, and then set up that
• 45:22
  Speaker 12: aggressive line that you and I've talked about before, where
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: you use combat air patrol overhead at fifteens of sixteens,
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: F eighteens, a tens and armed helos for the small boats,
• 45:32
  Speaker 12: and then Navy air defense ships that Arley Burke class
• 45:36
  Speaker 12: the stories that have done so well in this conflict
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: to escort ships through. We're already comfortable having US Navy
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: ships do that under that umbrella, but our risk taking
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: is obviously will take more risk than the insurers and
• 45:51
  Speaker 12: the owners of the merchant ships that are inside the gulf,
• 45:54
  Speaker 12: So we have to lower the risk to one where
• 45:56
  Speaker 12: they accept that. And then of course we'll have to
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: do a quick q route check. That's where we take
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: some minesweeping ships and create a five hundred yard wide,
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: twenty mile long QE route through the strait that bended
• 46:09
  Speaker 12: that hairpin in the straits to demonstrate there's no minds
• 46:13
  Speaker 12: in there, and probably redo that every three or four days,
• 46:15
  Speaker 12: you know, do a quick, slow one initially full comprehensive
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: que route and then do quick rechecks every three four
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: days to show the merchants they can go through.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: That's how I would.
• 46:23
  Speaker 12: Do it if I wanted to do it in a
• 46:25
  Speaker 12: slightly more risky, more forcefull, less deliberate patient way.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: All right, So I adm having watched for almost two
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: months now combat operations, is there anything that has been
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: revealed about the United States Navy that's a glaring deficiency
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that we have to up production of or design of
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: right away.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: For sure, our munitions need to be improved. The amount
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: of standard missiles.
• 46:52
  Speaker 12: Those are the air defense missiles trickally the ones that
• 46:55
  Speaker 12: do intermitt arrange bliss miss defense of Israel called the
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: SM three Omahawks.
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: All of these more numbers.
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: The good news is the administration, back in November December
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: last year, using a new law from Senator Wickers team
• 47:10
  Speaker 12: actually has already started multi year orders. Don't just do
• 47:14
  Speaker 12: don't just maximize the buys, but raise what the maximum
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: could be each year, so you're building more and more
• 47:20
  Speaker 12: a fad Patriot and these naval missiles I just mentioned,
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: so we're in.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Good shape there. I think Another thing is the low
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: cost counter drone.
• 47:29
  Speaker 12: Look, FA teens can pick them off with the advanced
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: patis to kill weapons system.
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: The Navy, though, has a choice. They can wait to
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: the last thing.
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: They didn't have the gatling gun do it, which would
• 47:38
  Speaker 12: probably work, except you don't want to risk your ship,
• 47:40
  Speaker 12: So in the end you use a kinetic missile and
• 47:42
  Speaker 12: that could cost you a million dollars for a fifty
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: thousand dollars drone.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: You've seen enough to assess the laser weapon that Israel
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: has deployed, as at least allegedly has deployed in the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: defense of their country.
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: Yeah, here's what I think about laser weapons. They are
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: going to be part of the future. But right now
• 48:02
  Speaker 12: their maximum range is less than the last time to launch.
• 48:06
  Speaker 12: For your kinetic weapon. That means the range at which
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: you know they'll destroy something is less than your last
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: chance to launch a missile at the targets coming in,
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: So you'd have to rely only on the iron beam
• 48:20
  Speaker 12: or another directed energy weapon a US one. Because we
• 48:23
  Speaker 12: have them on our ship, a couple of them on
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: ships and on shore. My concern here we got to
• 48:29
  Speaker 12: get that range out. Once we do, will be in
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: a better position. Right now, A captain can't take the
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: risk of waiting to see if the directed energy works.
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: I don't think the Israelis have been removing iron dome
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: and replacing it with iron beam.
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: They putting iron beam there to augment iron dome.
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: Once we move past augment and into replacement, then on
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: nowhere in great shade and no.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: You ran the cyber solarium for a few years. Have
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: you seen any evidence that cyber warfare is ongoing or
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: has been particularly effective against the regime.
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think both our offense against them and some
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: of their stuff disruptive technologia, a much lower level of
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: cyber against some of our companies is going on.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Again, I don't think we've quite.
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: Reached that point where we go, Hey, for that radar
• 49:16
  Speaker 12: right there, we want to take it down so at
• 49:18
  Speaker 12: Fateen can pass over.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: We'll just use a cyber effect.
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: I think we're still that we'll use a cyber effect,
• 49:24
  Speaker 12: but let's follow it up with a weapon, right and
• 49:26
  Speaker 12: so I don't think we're quite there where we're uniquely
• 49:29
  Speaker 12: reliant on cyber when there's a kinetic backup. Now, if
• 49:33
  Speaker 12: there's no kinetic way of getting it something, I think
• 49:35
  Speaker 12: we'd rely on cyber now, but we're not there, so
• 49:37
  Speaker 12: I think cyber is integrated into all of this.
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's this positive.
• 49:41
  Speaker 12: I don't think it's playing the dramatic role that it
• 49:44
  Speaker 12: could play long term.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Last question, how much communication security do you think that
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: we have compromised for the arrangee they didn't have good
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: communication security.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: To begin with, or at least the Israelis.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Had penetrated it after all the shell acking they've taken.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Do they have backup systems or do you suspect we
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: know everything about them?
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 50:05
  Speaker 12: I think they're probably learning not to talk on phones
• 50:08
  Speaker 12: very much, you know, much like HESBLA had to learn
• 50:12
  Speaker 12: hard not to use beepers and not to use walkie talkies.
• 50:15
  Speaker 12: They're probably you know, they've reduced that, but in the end,
• 50:19
  Speaker 12: those bad habits come back, so that if we have
• 50:22
  Speaker 12: to go back to kinetic operations, I promise you Israel
• 50:25
  Speaker 12: will effectively strike senior IERGC leadership again, maybe not the leader,
• 50:30
  Speaker 12: but many leaders because in the end, people need to
• 50:35
  Speaker 12: commn feel you know, they have to communicate, and they
• 50:38
  Speaker 12: have to communicate rapidly, and that puts them on mobile and.
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: Wireless devices that eventually get compromised.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: So the narrative is in a lot of legacy media,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: we're not winning. I think we're winning rather decisively. If
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: patiently you get thirty seconds out, how do you describe
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: the first two months?
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: Look operationally and tactically, we're winning Strategically. I don't think
• 50:59
  Speaker 12: we properly explain the strategic end state to the American people.
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: I think it was presumed to be regime change. If
• 51:05
  Speaker 12: it was, we did not do the preparation of the
• 51:07
  Speaker 12: battlefield for that. If, however, it was changed, how the
• 51:10
  Speaker 12: regime acts, because it's unacceptable how they place Israel and
• 51:14
  Speaker 12: our error partners at risk.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: That is strategically becoming true.
• 51:19
  Speaker 12: We just have to resolve that the nuclear issue and
• 51:22
  Speaker 12: the streightsover moves over the next month of negotiations under
• 51:26
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• 51:27
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  Speaker 2: My name Hugh working back America.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Hewing inside the Belway, former United States senator and
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: also a former congressman is back leaves to be a
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: regular on my guest. I've been doing it so long.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: People going to have second careers a second time. Welcome back, Senator,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: It's good to see you again. This is part of
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: my eighteen community deal. I had Scott Brown on a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: couple of months ago. Now I've got you on.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: I want to look at anyone you want on.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: You want anyone you want, Okay, I want to win
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that New Hampshire seat.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Why are you a better candidate than Scott?
• 53:27
  Speaker 13: Look, you've got to be able to unify the party.
• 53:29
  Speaker 13: You've got to be able to win independence. You've got
• 53:31
  Speaker 13: to be able to raise the money. You've got to
• 53:33
  Speaker 13: be able to put together a complete organization. You've got
• 53:36
  Speaker 13: to be able to communicate effectively. You've got to be
• 53:39
  Speaker 13: able to show people that you you know, you just
• 53:42
  Speaker 13: don't have good.
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: Ideas, and I certainly believe I do.
• 53:44
  Speaker 13: But you've been able to get things done for your state,
• 53:48
  Speaker 13: for New Hampshire, things that are meaningful and impactful. And
• 53:52
  Speaker 13: obviously my record in the House and Senate is.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: That as well. So it's all of those things.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Hugh.
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: There's no magic recip You don't just check boxes You
• 54:02
  Speaker 13: just have to have conviction. You have to have the
• 54:04
  Speaker 13: ability to connect with people and the ability to win,
• 54:08
  Speaker 13: you know, not just the party base. That's important. Obviously
• 54:11
  Speaker 13: we're Republican state. I certainly haven't forgotten that. But you've
• 54:14
  Speaker 13: got to be able to win those swing voters and
• 54:17
  Speaker 13: those independent voters. And I've got an ability to do
• 54:19
  Speaker 13: that as well.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: All right, So, Senator, tell me a little bit about
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: the fall. Assume you win the nomination. You got the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: late primary. I hate late primaries, but it is what
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: it is. Assume you win the nomination. What puts you
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: apart from the Democratic congress person who wants to be
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the next editor.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 54:35
  Speaker 13: Look, I think first and foremost, it's standing up for
• 54:39
  Speaker 13: the state, the things that make New Hampshire special and
• 54:44
  Speaker 13: the ideas that reflect where most people in New Hampshire are.
• 54:47
  Speaker 13: I'll be running against Congressman Chris Pappis. Well, let's start,
• 54:50
  Speaker 13: for the with the fact that he has voted consistently
• 54:54
  Speaker 13: to shut down government, deny DHS funding, deny Secret Service
• 54:59
  Speaker 13: funding at a time when these things are obviously incredibly
• 55:03
  Speaker 13: important to America. I was I was in Congress and
• 55:06
  Speaker 13: the Senate for twelve years. I never voted to shutdown government.
• 55:09
  Speaker 13: You know, it's just not the way people in New
• 55:12
  Speaker 13: Hampshire want to see their representatives behaving, you know, like
• 55:17
  Speaker 13: grade schoolers or middle schoolers.
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: It's juvenile.
• 55:22
  Speaker 13: The security of the country and the presidency and our
• 55:24
  Speaker 13: homeland security is way too important. He is consistently voted
• 55:29
  Speaker 13: party line. When Nancy Pelosi was Speaker, he voted with
• 55:33
  Speaker 13: her two hundred and twenty two out of a possible
• 55:36
  Speaker 13: two hundred twenty three recorded votes. That's amazing, Hugh. I mean,
• 55:40
  Speaker 13: it's not New Hampshire. That might be California, but it's
• 55:42
  Speaker 13: not New Hampshire.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: All right, So give me the rundown on where you
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: win this time around that you lost the last time around,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: that you won the first time around, because this is
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: your third at bat for the Senate.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: If you get the number war, well.
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: Look, every election is different.
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  Speaker 13: You know, in two thousand and eight, Barack Obama was
• 56:01
  Speaker 13: running for presidents, we lost eight Republican Senate seats. This
• 56:06
  Speaker 13: is not that election, right, This is a different time,
• 56:09
  Speaker 13: a different place, different issues.
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  Speaker 5: So it would be a mistake to.
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  Speaker 13: Go back to an election four or eight, or ten
• 56:17
  Speaker 13: or fifteen years ago and say, well, I'll take that
• 56:20
  Speaker 13: election and just change it a little bit. This is
• 56:23
  Speaker 13: about keeping the economy moving. This is about affordability, getting
• 56:28
  Speaker 13: health care and energy costs down. It's about making sure
• 56:32
  Speaker 13: we don't go back to nine percent inflation, which is
• 56:35
  Speaker 13: exactly what Chris Pappus and the Democrats and Joe Biden
• 56:39
  Speaker 13: gave us. It's about not going back to chaos on
• 56:43
  Speaker 13: the borders. No one wants to see that again. So
• 56:46
  Speaker 13: you know, those are the issues that I think are
• 56:48
  Speaker 13: driving people today, and those are the issues that are
• 56:51
  Speaker 13: going to move swing voters in my direction. And again,
• 56:55
  Speaker 13: this is about where people in New Hampshire are. People
• 56:59
  Speaker 13: in New Hampshire support voter idea. Chris papp has voted
• 57:02
  Speaker 13: against it. They certainly support a work requirement for able
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: bodied Medicare recipients.
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: Chris papp has voted against it.
• 57:11
  Speaker 13: He voted for twelve hundred dollars a year in taxpayer
• 57:16
  Speaker 13: funded benefits for illegal aliens.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: That's just not New Hampshire.
• 57:20
  Speaker 13: So you know, those are the issues I think that
• 57:23
  Speaker 13: are going to resonate with New Hampshire voters. Certainly they
• 57:27
  Speaker 13: want someone who's going to just stand up for the
• 57:29
  Speaker 13: Hampshire every day and that's what I talked about in
• 57:31
  Speaker 13: my announcement speech, and that's what I'll continue to do Saturday.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I began the show today by talking about, obviously the
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: thirty year older tried to kill the President's cabinet on
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Saturday night. So it's been twenty years since you were
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: a public figure. You don't ever stop being a public figure,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: but been twenty years since you've been in the fray.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: What happened to this country in twenty years that we've
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: got this many nutters running around?
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, there is a difference in rhetoric and tone.
• 57:59
  Speaker 13: You can blame social media, you can blame the Internet,
• 58:02
  Speaker 13: but there's no.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: Arguing the fact that that tone has changed.
• 58:08
  Speaker 13: One of the ways that it's changed is in the
• 58:13
  Speaker 13: rhetoric now being directed not in an idea, not in
• 58:16
  Speaker 13: saying that's a bad idea, I disagree with you, but
• 58:20
  Speaker 13: in attacking the individual, attacking the person, their motives, And
• 58:24
  Speaker 13: obviously with President Trump, the rhetoric has become absolutely extreme,
• 58:30
  Speaker 13: Nazi fascist, threat to the free world, threat to democracy.
• 58:35
  Speaker 13: You know, I saw Carolyn Levitt reading some statements from
• 58:38
  Speaker 13: the podium just earlier today and about these are democrat,
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: Democrats and positions of authorities saying we need to take
• 58:48
  Speaker 13: to the streets this is a war. It's that language
• 58:52
  Speaker 13: of violence that is a little bit different today. And
• 58:57
  Speaker 13: obviously if someone is mentally ill, and so many of
• 59:01
  Speaker 13: these individuals that engage in violence are, that rhetoric has
• 59:06
  Speaker 13: a big impact on them.
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  Speaker 1: Let me interrupt you. You're an MIT guy. In fact,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: the whole families on people. It's like there's no other
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: college for the Sanoonas except MIT. So you're an MIT guy,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: You're a smart guy. What is it that has the
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: statement people tipping over? Because there's always been I mean,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I was in the Reagan White House. It was pretty
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: brath knuckled back then, too. W certainly had this number
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: of people about it.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: And by the way, New Hampshire is not this way.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: I would drive down from Maine to hear various presidential
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: candidates doing Portsmouth are down in Manchester.
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  Speaker 2: It's not crazy.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: So what is it about New Hampshire that's not crazy
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: that some of these other places are crazy?
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  Speaker 13: Look, I don't know, there's no easy answer to that, Hugh. Look,
• 59:52
  Speaker 13: I think part of it is the local aspect of
• 59:56
  Speaker 13: politics in New Hampshire, right well, when the the key
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 13: politicians in your life are your neighbors, selectman, budget committee members,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 13: even state representatives.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: As you know, we've got.
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  Speaker 13: Four hundred of them in New Hampshire, So if you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 13: throw a rock in New Hampshire, you're gonna hit an
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 13: elected representative.
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  Speaker 5: The fact that.
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  Speaker 13: They're your neighbors, there are people, you know, I think
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 13: might make you much less inclined to engage in that
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 13: kind of rhetoric, that kind of antipathy. But look, we've
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 13: seen more of it everywhere. Norms have changed everywhere. The
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 13: language that gets used off and even you're in New
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 13: Hampshire has certainly changed a little bit. And look again,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 13: I go back to the issue. Attack the idea, say,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 13: call somebody wrong or even foolish, or even ignorant of
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 13: the facts, but don't attack them personally. Don't make it
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: an issue of destroying them personally.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Center Before we run out of time, what's the website
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  Speaker 1: for the campaign?
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  Speaker 13: So new New Senator, you know, the campaign's been fun.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 13: It's New Hampshire, it's town totown, it's person to person.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 13: We've got great support from across the entire Republican spectrum.
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  Speaker 5: Here in New Hampshire.
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  Speaker 13: Great support from Independence, great Veterans Coalition, and it's been
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  Speaker 13: fun to be back on the campaign.
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  Speaker 1: Grow so Newdews Senator dot Com. I'll do another round
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  Speaker 1: with you in scott before the primary. But I think
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  Speaker 1: you're right. I think the reason it's not as crazy
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  Speaker 1: in New Hampshire as there's a lot more politics and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: it's hard to be crazy about people that you know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's smaller. Too good to see again, Senator, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for coming back. I'll be right back in America's Welcome
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: back in America. I'm here, Hewitt. So much of the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: day been grim. I want to go back to you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: forever ago last week in the Washington Post, when my
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: friend Rob Lockwood published a fabulous op ed on the
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  Speaker 1: need to immediately move to declare American our official language
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  Speaker 1: in our two hundred and fiftieth year.
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  Speaker 2: Rob Lockwood, welcome friend, How are you? Thank you?
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  Speaker 10: I am great, longtime listener, first time call.
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  Speaker 2: Agree to be with you. It's triat to be with you.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me, Rob, did anyone reach out to you from
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: the White House yet to say we like that there's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: an executive order coming?
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  Speaker 10: I know, I think they're pretty busy this weekend and
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 10: then the events of Saturday night. I think focus everybody's
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 10: attention appropriately on security going forward and other events of
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 10: this week. But I don't know. I haven't had any
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 10: conversations yet.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I want to get back to making American our language.
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  Speaker 1: Tell people the point of the Washington Post piece, which
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: may look behind a paylall, I fear.
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  Speaker 10: So, the point of it is is he as you
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 10: know quite well, we're undergoing the two hundred and fiftieth
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 10: anniversary of America, the USA two fifty celebrations. They began
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 10: last year with the Paul Revere Reenact and ride. And
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 10: this is something that President and Trump has put a
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 10: tremendous focus on. Something that Secretary Doug Bergham, who I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 10: worked for, always reminded us, both privately and publicly, is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 10: that we have a president who's committed to American excellence
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 10: at his core and the greatest marketer in the history
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 10: of mankind. And so he has put on what is
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 10: the greatest show on earth in charge of all of these.
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  Speaker 5: Two fifty events.
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  Speaker 10: And so you've we've got the Army Parade last year
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  Speaker 10: that I have said was patriotic and powerful. We've got
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 10: the UFC Octagon steps away from the Oval Office, We've
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 10: got the Grand Prix in DC, fireworks at Mount Rushmore,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 10: the Theodore Roosevelt Library opening, you name it. President Trump
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 10: has put on a program for the history book, so
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  Speaker 10: much so that in two hundred and fifty years, when
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 10: they look back, they're going to say, how the hell
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 10: do we ever top that? My advice is good luck
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 10: trying to talk what they're doing. But with events that happen,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 10: these are about celebrations. They're in the moment, but they're
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: fleeting by nature, meaning they become a memory, they become
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 10: a thing of the past. If we look at what
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 10: we can do now, they will have permanency for the future.
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  Speaker 10: I think that the celebration of America and the declaration
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 10: of American as the official language is something we could
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 10: be reminded of every day going forward in our lives
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  Speaker 10: in perpetuity. And it's the type of thing you know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 10: we're when our I've got two young kids here, you've
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 10: got grown children now, but grandchildren, you know, they'll take
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 10: American in school rather than English. And so that was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: the theory behind that, is that this idea is two
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 10: hundred and fifty years overdue. In my mind, it's something
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 10: that's been discussed since our founder's generation. And if there
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 10: ever was a time to do it, it's the celebration
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 10: of American freedom. So that's why we have to call them.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: And I point out to people I was talking about
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: it with this weekend, the path has diverged between Great
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Britain English and American American. It's they're very different languages now,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: at different inflections.
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  Speaker 2: Pronunciation, word usage, idiom. It's not crazy. The only reason
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: we haven't done it, I suppose we're lazy.
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  Speaker 10: Well, if you look back, I quote this in the
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 10: piece Noah Webster, who's the godfather of the American Dictionary.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: He wrote in seventeen eighty nine in a dissertation saying that,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: you know, it's our responsibility as an independent nation. We
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: are required with an honor to have our own systems
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: and language and in government. We've got the government part down.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 10: We have a democracy that is thriving. The language part
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 10: has been discussed though since then, so again from people
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: like Theodore wrote, people in pop culture, like I said,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 10: dating back to the eighteenth century at least. And so
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 10: this idea has been around forever and it's something that's
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 10: in line with measures that the president has taken, including
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 10: re christening the Gulf of Mexico appropriately is the Gulf
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 10: of America. And so, like you said, yeah, linguistically, there's
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 10: so many differences in spelling and structure and slang that
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 10: have occurred. And in nineteen nineteen, more than one hundred
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 10: years ago, hl Menk in the famous Sas wrote a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 10: book called the American Language where he talks about how
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: are we've become a completely distinct, immature version. You know
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: today some people call it American hyphenated English. I say,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 10: scrap the hyphen call it American. And then, you know,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 10: when you look at the emergence of English, a lot
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 10: of it came to do when Great Britain was a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: great world power, when they had greater control over maritime
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: in the commerce. But really in the nineteenth, twentieth and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: twenty first centuries, the elevation of global commerce and global power,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 10: in the elevation of English language. There it's been because
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: of America. And so again we're two hundred and fifty
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: years into this. The idea has been mulled over many
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 10: a time. Even people who've thought about it before didn't
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 10: necessarily agree or didn't think of the label American, But
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 10: it's pretty straightforward and it would be the most meaningful
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 10: gifts symbolically that we could give our nation on this monumental.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Birthday, completing the independence.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: And you've got Smalls and so I don't know if
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you've read Eloise yet, but alois I read last Night
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: to a six year old and it's about a British nanny.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: And obviously the languages are different, the songs are different,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: everything is different. So I kind of love this idea
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  Speaker 1: for the two fiftieth.
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  Speaker 8: It could be.
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  Speaker 2: Done and whether a law required. Could you get it
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: going with an EO?
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, you can do it with an executive order, but
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 10: to get it to fish with durability, which is what
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 10: the goal would be, you'd want congressional actions, so it
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 10: would have to start in the Congress. But hopefully there
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 10: could be a happy union between the branches of government.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 10: And again, you this is a simple thing. They could
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 10: do it where it's just recuatory, where you just substitute
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 10: the word American for English where it appears in law, business, commerce,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 10: and culture.
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  Speaker 2: That's called time all for it.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Rob Lockwood, go and read it into Washington, both of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: you are a subscriber. If not, just ask people about it.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Spread the word. Thank you, Rob. I'll be right back.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Good morning, Glory and eman grace America. I'm Hugh Hewett
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: opening the Hour with Brett Stevens, New York Times Calumnist,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to do part two for Hour number two,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: so both hours get to hear a little bit of Brett. Brett,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: welcome back. It's been a while. I want to compliment
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: you rather belatedly on your State of World Jewelry speech
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: with Dan Senor from your conversation with Dan Senor about
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: it from February. Has that continued to ripple through the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: world of American.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 14: Yeah, thanks to Dan. The speech went viral, at least
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 14: within among American Jews, and I think it's helped set
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 14: the terms of conversation this year. So I'm very proud
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 14: of it.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: It was a very good piece and it made me think,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and I hope a lot of people, especially people who
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: give money, give a lot of thought to that, because
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a Roman Catholic and I think if you're going
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: to be an activist in Catholicism, give money to good
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Catholic schools. And if you're going to be a Jewish activist,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: give money to good Jewish schools and bring down the cost.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I love the idea, Brett. Let's talk first about the
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: white outs. Corresponds dinner right. Originally as to talk to
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: you about iron and I'll come to that, but and
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not putting you on the spoty. I want to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: bring up the New York Times Hassan Piker conversation from
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: last week that's been gone over. Generally speaking, the water
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: table is poisoned. There is no turning down the heat.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: The President, in a Nora O'Donnell interview which I played
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of earlier in the program, repeatedly said he's crazy.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: It's the Internet. He's not. He's just nuts.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: Is that all there is we can say is that
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: there are so many percentage of people in America they
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: are gonna be nuts.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: Well, I mean, unfortunately, that's been true for you know,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 14: since John Wilkes Booth screams six semper tyrannus at the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 14: Fourth Theater in eighteen sixty five. There's no question that
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 14: there is an atmosphere in this country of demonization. Both
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 14: sides play the game, but I see it acutely on
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 14: on the left. I'm a critic of President Trump, but
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 14: I try to give him credit when I think he's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 14: done the right thing. And you know, we we we
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 14: are swimming in an atmosphere here in the United States
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 14: in which the president is being described roots teemly, as
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 14: a tyrant, as an autocrat, and that to certain minds,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 14: provides an air of legitimacy to violent acts. So we
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 14: desperately need to bring down the temperature in this country.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 14: I would say that's true on both sides of the
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 14: political divide, but it particularly behooves people on the left
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 14: who claim to speak in the name of democracy and
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 14: then find themselves embracing in one way or another, the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 14: language that easily turns into a justification for violence.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: So, you know, literature search is the best I could
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: in one day for a calm. That will be on
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Fox News tomorrow, trying to find any study that looks
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: for commonalities among what I call statement shooters. These are
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: our statement would be assassins er statement mass killing people
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: who want to make a statement. And I can't find
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: anything that actually looks into their childhood, their education, their
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: psychological profile.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Do they have a break?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen any kind of systematic dive into
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: the people who do political violence, or even include Columbine
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: through Marjorie j other Parkman violence. Have you ever seen
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: anything that does that?
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 14: No, I'm not. I'm not aware of it. I would
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 14: love to see some of that, some of that literature
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 14: if it exists. But no, your guess is as good
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 14: as mine.
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  Speaker 2: I just it's a glaring, glaring hole in the record.
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  Speaker 15: Last topic, about one point I'll make you at one
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  Speaker 15: point I think is worth making is that the greatest
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  Speaker 15: evil is almost always done in the service.
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  Speaker 14: Or is always almost always done by people who are
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  Speaker 14: who are true believers, in the service of causes whose
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  Speaker 14: righteousness they believe is u alf evident. And I don't
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  Speaker 14: think it's an accident that the most malevolent ideology in
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  Speaker 14: human history, exceeding even fascism, was communism, which was an
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  Speaker 14: ideology that claimed to speak for the betterment of all mankind.
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  Speaker 14: And so once you have convinced yourself that you are
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  Speaker 14: operating for a higher good, it becomes a license to
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  Speaker 14: carry out some of the most severe types of evil,
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  Speaker 14: not simply assassinations, but murders on an industrial on an
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  Speaker 14: industrial skill. I think it's why the conservative mind if
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  Speaker 14: properly trained is somewhat immunized against those forms of evil,
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  Speaker 14: because we know that human nature is complex, and we
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  Speaker 14: know that human beings, including ourselves, that were fallible. And
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  Speaker 14: that's a distinction that we don't partake of this kind
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  Speaker 14: of utopianism, which can justify crimes in the present for
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  Speaker 14: glorious for some kind of glorious future for humanity if.
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  Speaker 1: Properly trained brat. That's one of the things I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to dig into. I've been reading Joseph Lecan's book on
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  Speaker 1: Tolkien and C. S. Lewis in the year thirty three
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  Speaker 1: through forty five, and how they saw it coming, and
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  Speaker 1: how they tried to warn it, and how their answer
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  Speaker 1: to it was great old books steal the mind, against
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  Speaker 1: fantasies and extraordinary revolutionary design that you've got to be grounded.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think our education systems giving up on the
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  Speaker 1: glories of Western civilization.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: And it's a constant source of real anxiety for me
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  Speaker 14: in terms of the future of the United States, that
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  Speaker 14: so many people are civically ignorant and ignorant period about
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  Speaker 14: the nature of small r republican governance. Liberalism in the
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  Speaker 14: classical contemporary sense, it worries me that so few conservatives,
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  Speaker 14: especially young conservatives I know, have ever spent any time
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  Speaker 14: in the company of Edmund Burke reflections on the Revolution
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  Speaker 14: in France. They'd learn a few things. And I'm very
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  Speaker 14: grateful that I came of age in the previous century
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  Speaker 14: when you know, a baseline intellectual literacy was kind of
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 14: a requirement for entry into the conservative world. I think
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  Speaker 14: it helped me a lot. I think those of us
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  Speaker 14: who are now kind of conservative graybeards should make more
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  Speaker 14: of an effort to make sure that you know, some
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  Speaker 14: of our younger contemporaries or younger peers who are coming
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  Speaker 14: up through the ranks get that kind of education. I
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  Speaker 14: don't think it's just missing on the left, although it
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 14: is missing on the left, I think it's also missing
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  Speaker 14: on the right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to agree with you, and I'm like the
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  Speaker 1: penultimate graybeard as long as brit Human is still working.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the oldest guy working, but I'm able the.
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  Speaker 14: Anti penultimate graybeard. You're the penultimate one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So the question becomes when we were young in the business,
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  Speaker 1: and I was in the eighties or the nineties trying
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  Speaker 1: to first offered a microphone you had to be credentialed.
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  Speaker 1: You actually had to have read books and note things,
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  Speaker 1: and before you wrote something you had to submit op
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  Speaker 1: edge places and you had to build That's no longer
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  Speaker 1: the case, and I don't know that we can ever
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  Speaker 1: turn that around. I'm not on a fool's mission here.
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  Speaker 1: You can't stop YouTube from monetizing idiots. So there is
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  Speaker 1: no real answer there is there.
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  Speaker 14: Look, there are a lot of it, I mean, and
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  Speaker 14: I get to meet them from time to time, like
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  Speaker 14: really astonishingly brilliant and thoughtful young conservatives. But it is
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  Speaker 14: true that, you know, how did I get into conservative media?
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  Speaker 14: When I was nineteen years old, I published a roo
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  Speaker 14: of a book about anthropology and cultural relativism and Commentary magazine,
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  Speaker 14: and other people got themselves published in National Review or
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 14: the Wall Street Journal's editorial pages or some of the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 14: other some of the other outlets, and that was kind
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  Speaker 14: of a prerequisite for getting into this orbit of people
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  Speaker 14: like William F. Buckley or Norman Pott Hortz, Irving Crystal.
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  Speaker 14: That's just gone. And partly it's a function of technology,
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  Speaker 14: but I think it's also a function of declining.
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  Speaker 5: Intellectual literacy.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. Now, last question, on my personal hobby horse.
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  Speaker 1: Norah O'Donnell asked a question last night where she quoted
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  Speaker 1: from the manifesto. Now, I'm consistent going back to the
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  Speaker 1: Virginia tech killer when NBC ran the tape of his
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  Speaker 1: rantings and on my head exploded because you should never
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  Speaker 1: publish or quote the manifestos of deranged people. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think it was a slip in the moment or do
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  Speaker 1: you think they had an editorial meeting beforehand and they
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: decided to try and go the president by reading pedophile
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  Speaker 1: at him.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to speculate. I don't know what it was.
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  Speaker 1: Generally speaking, then, as opposed to neuro'donald question, I think
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  Speaker 1: that editorial meeting because you don't do sixty minutes in
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  Speaker 1: the White House with at least talking to people about it,
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  Speaker 1: but we got one minute. Should anyone ever read the
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  Speaker 1: manifestos on the air or use the name to the
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  Speaker 1: would be statement killers.
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  Speaker 14: That's a good question. I think in this case it's
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  Speaker 14: actually relevant because we're trying to establish his motives and
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  Speaker 14: they're obviously political. This is a political question. I think
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  Speaker 14: it differs in some respects from the manifestos of people,
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  Speaker 14: For instance, who go and commit mass murders at schools.
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  Speaker 5: I just think I do think it's relevant.
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  Speaker 1: I'm bringing Brett back, welcome back to America to give
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: it as promised. Brett Stevens New York Times Collinis is
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: back with me. Brenda wanted to ask you about Iran.
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  Speaker 1: The Huid plan is to give them a list of
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  Speaker 1: oil targets and say we're going to take one out
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  Speaker 1: a day until you say uncle, and we're going to
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  Speaker 1: end with carg Island in thirty days, and you will
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  Speaker 1: have no revenue and no infrastructure left. Sorry Iranian people,
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  Speaker 1: but we're tired of this regime. What do you want
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  Speaker 1: to do with Iran?
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  Speaker 5: The Hewett plan I immediately adopt is my own.
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  Speaker 2: Well, then then it's a good plan.
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  Speaker 14: No. Look, I mean, let me just expound on that briefly,
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  Speaker 14: which is that the Iranian negotiating style is not the
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 14: negotiating style of say, another real estate developer at the
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  Speaker 14: other end of a Manhattan conference room table. The expression
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 14: give them an inch and they'll take a mile is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 14: a cliche, but in their case, it's absolutely the case.
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  Speaker 14: We have to give them in no uncertain terms, without
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  Speaker 14: without any any change in the terms a very clear
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  Speaker 14: idea that every successive day imposes ever greater costs. I
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  Speaker 14: am one of the first people who made the case
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 14: for a blockade of Iranian oil exports. I did that
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  Speaker 14: several weeks before the President imposed it. I think that
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 14: was the beginning of the right strategy. But I worry
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  Speaker 14: that the Iranians are interpreting the President's I think good
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  Speaker 14: faith efforts to come to some kind of negotiated settlement
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  Speaker 14: as a sign of weakness. And we should leave them
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  Speaker 14: with no doubt that the penalties they are that they'll
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  Speaker 14: pay will only increase by the day. You know as
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  Speaker 14: well as I do, Hugh, that very soon they will
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  Speaker 14: not be able to pump oil into wells, and they're
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 14: going to create They're going to start destroying their own infrastructure.
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  Speaker 14: But we have a case of two ticking clocks. One
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 14: is the clock on Iran's capacity to sustain a cratering economy,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 14: or the regime's capacity to sustain a cratering economy. The
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 14: other is the inevitable pressure that is going to fall
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 14: not just on the West but here in the United
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  Speaker 14: States to find some way to you know, ease uh
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 14: ease the block the Iranian blockade of the Strait. And
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  Speaker 14: I think that the Iranian offer that's been made to
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  Speaker 14: to eliminate the blockade on on Horn moves and negotiate
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  Speaker 14: the nuclear terms later is classic Iranian fools gold.
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  Speaker 5: I hope the President doesn't fall for it.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, and the last and take your time on this.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Rhodes was out over the weekend again flotting, arguing
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  Speaker 1: that the j g PUA would have presented all that
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  Speaker 1: prevented all bad things from happening. It is such a
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: stupid argument that they don't usually engage with it.
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  Speaker 2: But what's your.
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  Speaker 1: Concise response to the JCPOA fans who are out there saying, oh,
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  Speaker 1: if the president hadn't torn that up when he did
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  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, we'd be fine.
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  Speaker 14: Oh, that's just pure nonsense. If we hadn't torn up
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  Speaker 14: the JCPOA, the Iranians would now see the sunsetting of
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  Speaker 14: many of the restrictions that that weak agreement had imposed,
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  Speaker 14: and which, by the way, they were cheating on from
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  Speaker 14: the beginning. So we would be in a worse position today.
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  Speaker 14: You know, the best possible case that can be made
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  Speaker 14: for the JCPOA, Hue is that the regime, as the
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  Speaker 14: Obama administration believed was sort of on a glide path
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  Speaker 14: towards greater moderation, and that the JCPOA would sort of
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 14: open Iran to the world and encourage more moderate policies regionally,
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  Speaker 14: domestically and beyond. In fact, we saw the exact opposite happen.
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  Speaker 14: The monies that Iran got through the JCPOA targeted their
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 14: efforts to become the regional hegemon in Lebanon, in Iraq,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 14: in Yemen, elsewhere throughout the region. The JCPOA made the
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 14: regime more radical and more repressive. And you saw that
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  Speaker 14: not just in the protests in January that resulted in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 14: tens of thousands of dead, but in the Women Life, Free,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 14: Women Life and Freedom protests three years ago, in the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 14: mass killing of the against economic protests in twenty eighteen.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 14: The regime was becoming more and more tyrannical and more
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 14: and more aggressive. That's exactly the result of the JCPOA.
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  Speaker 14: The President made the right decision in twenty eighteen to
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 14: get out of it. He made the right decision with
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 14: Operation Midnight Hammer, and he made the right decision to
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 14: go to war with Israel to prevent to stop the
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 14: Iranian nuclear cancer at stage one or stage two before
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 14: it became a stage four cancer that we would be
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 14: powerless to stop.
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  Speaker 1: So that's one hundred percent with you. I'm wondering whether
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: or not what I call the Trump distortion field and
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: the net and Yahoo distortion field will ever let people
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: hear that. Do you think it's a persuadable topic in
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: the United States? Because it was Trump who did it
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: when w didn't because of an intelligence committee in two
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: thousand and seven told him they'd abandon it, and of
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: Hona wanted to change the world. Trump was starting to
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: do it and he lost the election and then Biden
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: it into Is it a persuadable argument to people that
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: we cannot give in to this regime?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: It has to collapse.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 14: The people the president needs to persuade, and I think
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 14: he has to do a better job than he has
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 14: so far, are not let shall we say, Manhattan or
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 14: Beltwait liberals. He needs to persuade conservatives who are somewhat
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 14: are generally for the president but skeptical of this war,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 14: that this was something that he had to do, that
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 14: the threat was in fact imminent in the sense I
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 14: go back to that metaphor the cancer was at stage two,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 14: you wanted to stop it now before it progressed any further,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 14: and that Iran has been a threat not only to
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 14: Israel or to the Saudis, or to our interests, but
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 14: has been a threat to the United States for forty
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 14: seven years. American blood from the Marines in Beirut, to
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 14: our service members in Iraq, many other Americans are they
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 14: were murdered by this regime. And I think that the
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 14: name of the operation Epic Fury was well chosen because
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 14: anyone who has followed what this regime has done to
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 14: American citizens and American interests should be epically furious and
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 14: should want to see the end of this horrific and
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 14: threatening regime for the people of Iran, for the people
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 14: of the world, for the United States of America.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: And I answerr question, Brett. I don't care what gas costs.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Now that my living does not depend upon driving, so
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: it's easier for me to say that, But I don't
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: care what gas costs. They will destroy my grandchildren's world
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: if we don't stop them. They're crazy, as Marco Ruby said,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: they're lunatics. Do you have that same mindset? Grit it,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: grit your teeth and gird up your loins and go
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: forward to get rid of them.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 14: I drive a lot, and my gas is much more expensive,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 14: but it's a cost worth paying because some things are
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 14: more important than what I have to pay out of
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 14: pocket to pull my tent.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: And then Brett Steven's good to see you back again.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Don't be a stranger at Brett Stevens The New York Times,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: never to be missed.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: And if you haven't heard his address on World Jewelry.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: Just go to Google back and you'll get the entire speaks.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be missed. Stature in America. I'm here,