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The Late Debate | 30 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately than general. Welcome to the Late Debase.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, and welcome to the show. I'm calib Bond
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  Speaker 2: with Joe Hildebrand and Freyer leitch Well. Last night, as
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  Speaker 2: the Government was announcing that YouTube would be included in
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  Speaker 2: the Social Media Band for Kids, the Senate voted that
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  Speaker 2: age restrictions and online surveillance for some websites was going
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  Speaker 2: too farm.
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  Speaker 1: More on that soon.
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  Speaker 2: In the papers, Iranian agents are allegiedly threatening expats in
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  Speaker 2: Australia with death if they don't toe the Islamic Republic's line.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're a teenager and you end up in
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  Speaker 2: a police chase. I mean, that's probably bad enough, but
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  Speaker 2: it can get worse. The coppers could call up your
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  Speaker 2: mum who marches you down to the cop shop.
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  Speaker 1: That embarrassing story and.
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  Speaker 2: His even worse excuse a little bit later, but first,
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  Speaker 2: I know it's what is it?
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  Speaker 1: It's July thirty, so it's a little bit early.
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  Speaker 2: But Australia days back on the agenda, I am sorry
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  Speaker 2: to say, because one council has decided to rear a
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  Speaker 2: ugly head and join the long list of lefty councils
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  Speaker 2: around Australia. That has canceled Australia Day. This time it's
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  Speaker 2: Dubbo Council, which says we couldn't possibly have any sort
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  Speaker 2: of celebrations or citizenship ceremonies etc. On Australia Day because
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  Speaker 2: you know that's actually Invasion Day or Survival Day or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: The hell you want to call it.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to move it to January twenty five instead,
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  Speaker 2: because if you just move it to the day before, it.
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  Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with Australia Day anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The council's excuse for this is quite funny, really, they
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  Speaker 2: posted online in response to the outpouring from people in
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  Speaker 2: the community. Say what the hell are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: He said.
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  Speaker 2: Council determined during the twenty twenty five July Ordinary Meeting,
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  Speaker 2: which was last night, that events and activities to recognize
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  Speaker 2: Australia Day in Dubbo and Wellington will be held on
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  Speaker 2: twenty five January. Sorry, to recognize Australia Day on twenty
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  Speaker 2: five January, Australia.
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  Speaker 1: It's not on twenty five January anyway.
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  Speaker 2: They say this decision was made by councilors to balance
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  Speaker 2: the needs of the communey and provide a range of
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  Speaker 2: activities for our community, and we encourage residents to spend
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  Speaker 2: Australia Day on twenty sixth January in a way that
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  Speaker 2: is meaningful to them. Well, I dare say there are
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  Speaker 2: plenty of margarreants who've moved to this country and might
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  Speaker 2: live in the bounds of Dubo Council who would have
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  Speaker 2: found it really meaningful to become a citizen of Australia
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  Speaker 2: on our national day, Australia Day, January twenty six But
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  Speaker 2: so the council says that's not a way that they
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  Speaker 2: should meaningfully spend Australia Day. Joe, We'll do it on
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  Speaker 2: January twenty five instead. Why do they keep doing this stuff?
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  Speaker 2: It's like all of the virtue signaling that we talk
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  Speaker 2: about in Indigenous affairs, It does nothing to change anyone's life.
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  Speaker 2: Can't you just get on with Australia Day being on
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  Speaker 2: Australia Day because that's when most people want it to be.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't understand. Does Dubo Council, does the Dubbo
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  Speaker 3: Wellington area not have enough problems? Is everything else fixed?
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  Speaker 3: And now this is what they're going to get to? Like,
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  Speaker 3: I actually really like a nob Pierce and Wesley and
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  Speaker 3: I've had similar ideas of having an Australia Weekend and
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  Speaker 3: Australiay weekend, so you could celebrate the twenty fifth, the
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  Speaker 3: twenty sixth, and arguably even the twenty seventh. So you
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  Speaker 3: could have twenty fifth celebrating Indigenous Australia, twenty sixth celebrating
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  Speaker 3: the arrival of the Europeans, and then the twenty seventh
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  Speaker 3: celebrating the new multicultural Australia we live in. And so
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  Speaker 3: you know, I have one public holiday when you can
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  Speaker 3: have three. But the idea that you would actually move
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  Speaker 3: the day in an area which frankly is you know,
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  Speaker 3: has its own issues with social justice, with law and
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  Speaker 3: order in particular, and disadvantage, it just makes no sense
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  Speaker 3: to me. It's kind of like saying, oh, we've got
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  Speaker 3: a you know, we've got a crisis in indigenous health.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to change a bit of red pen on
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  Speaker 3: a calendar and then see if that works. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the papers tomorrow we're going to find out the
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  Speaker 3: closing the gap targets are even worse than they were
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  Speaker 3: a year ago, with most not even close to being met.
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  Speaker 3: And yet you still have so called Aboriginal activists, people
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  Speaker 3: who claim to have the best interest of Indigenous Australians
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  Speaker 3: a hut banging on about this crap instead. It just
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  Speaker 3: boggles the mind, Like I just the amount of energy
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  Speaker 3: that goes into this and counsels around the country who
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  Speaker 3: who are doing this as a matter of priority while
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  Speaker 3: there is real need in the community is just it's
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  Speaker 3: just kind of staggering. It's like someone saying, oh, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 3: my house is on fire, and someone saying, oh, really, well,
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  Speaker 3: how about I get a postage stamp and write a
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  Speaker 3: letter of support and mail it to you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, And it makes no sense.
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  Speaker 5: And the problem with these activists is it's never just
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  Speaker 5: about Australia Day. If you cave on Australia Day, the
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  Speaker 5: next thing will be the flag, and then it'll be
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  Speaker 5: the place names, and then it will be the name
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  Speaker 5: of Australia itself.
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  Speaker 4: And then you add.
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  Speaker 5: Legitimacy to this argument that the Left is trying to propagate,
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  Speaker 5: which is that Australia is in an illegal country on
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  Speaker 5: stolen land, that we don't have a right to be here,
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  Speaker 5: that we should be ashamed and embarrassed at the whole
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  Speaker 5: project of Australia, which is I mean a historical one,
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  Speaker 5: but also objectively untrue given millions of people would love
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  Speaker 5: to move to Australia because what we have built is
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  Speaker 5: so incredible. And that's my problem with this whole argument.
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  Speaker 5: It's not really about Indigenous people. It's about continuing to
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  Speaker 5: try to tear down the country. You can observe Australia
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  Speaker 5: Day on January twenty sixth and be reflective of the
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  Speaker 5: impact that colonization had on Indigenous people, but also celebrate
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  Speaker 5: the remarkable country that we've built for all Australians, including
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  Speaker 5: Indigenous Australians, who are objectively better off now than they
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  Speaker 5: would have been pre colonization.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, and by the way, in the corner of the
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  Speaker 2: screen there you'll see that to parade going on for
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  Speaker 2: ozy your was born in Birmingham. There's anything interesting coming
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  Speaker 2: out of there, We'll bring you some full screen peace.
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  Speaker 3: There's one thing that people are proud of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's a very good point.
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  Speaker 2: But also no one ever talks about the fact that
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  Speaker 2: January twenty six apart from being the day that the
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  Speaker 2: first fleet arrived, is also the data I think it
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  Speaker 2: was in nineteen forty nine where Australian citizenship first came
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  Speaker 2: into being. It was January twenty six that we created
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  Speaker 2: the concept of Australian citizenship. Prior to that, that's when
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  Speaker 2: the legislation came into effect. Prior to that, everyone was
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  Speaker 2: a British subject. So January twenty six isn't just about
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  Speaker 2: the arrival of British people. It actually marks the day
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  Speaker 2: that we made the most significant change in our country's
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  Speaker 2: history that asserted our authority apart from federation, as Australian people,
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  Speaker 2: separate from the British. I mean, surely that is something
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  Speaker 2: a part of the story of January twenty six that
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  Speaker 2: we should be celebrating as well.
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  Speaker 5: For sure, And it's been celebrated as a public holiday
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  Speaker 5: since eighteen eighteen when Governor Lachlan macquarie New South Wales
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  Speaker 5: designated it a public holiday.
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  Speaker 4: Over two hundred years of.
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  Speaker 5: History tradition, pride doesn't mean you ignore the suffering of
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  Speaker 5: indigenous people. But we need to celebrate the remarkable country
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  Speaker 5: that we've built. And just on that note about becoming
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  Speaker 5: independent from the British, my goodness, I am glad we
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  Speaker 5: are independent now because in Britain illegal migrants are being
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  Speaker 5: put up in hotels with four poster beds, buffets and up.
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  Speaker 1: For a minute, I know we're talking about the UK.
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  Speaker 2: We're just going to go to the UK for a
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  Speaker 2: moment and take these live pictures from Birmingham of the procession.
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  Speaker 6: There.
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  Speaker 2: You can see in the back of that hearse Ozzie
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  Speaker 2: Osbourne's coffin. You can see the hearst of course moving
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  Speaker 2: through their procession there and plenty of fans turning out
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  Speaker 2: and doing them to honor Ozzie Osbourne.
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  Speaker 1: You would have been a fan. I mentioned show.
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  Speaker 3: With Black Sabbath only their early stuff, Caleb only their
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  Speaker 3: early stuff. Yeah. Ever since I found out that Ossie
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  Speaker 3: didn't bite the head off the bat on purpose and
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  Speaker 3: its accident, I have to say, you know, I mean
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was a hard man, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was tough, but it turns out, Yeah, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 3: They revolutionized that basically, that sort of bridge between now,
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  Speaker 3: along with maybe led Zeppelin and others, that bridge between
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  Speaker 3: sort of really you know, hard hard blues and hard
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  Speaker 3: rock and heavy metal. Absolute pioneers. I'm pretty sure Ossie
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  Speaker 3: doesn't remember half the stuff, but he was just incredible.
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  Speaker 3: And the fact that I really did love his second act,
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  Speaker 3: where he could sort of take the piece out of himself,
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  Speaker 3: and also that there was something for all his nannigan's.
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  Speaker 3: And there were so, so, so many shenanigans. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this guy, this guy took the rock and roll lifestyle
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  Speaker 3: and just turned it up to eleven, as they say
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  Speaker 3: in spinal tap. But but there was a real warmth there.
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  Speaker 3: And then there was clearly real love between notwithstanding the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he did the dirty god knows how many times,
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  Speaker 3: but that he you know that, you know that he
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  Speaker 3: was a hard dog to keep on the porch. We say,
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  Speaker 3: there was clearly a real love between him and Sharon,
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  Speaker 3: and Sharon was of course his manager as well, and
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  Speaker 3: so and so ran the house. I ran all the
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  Speaker 3: money because she had to because Ozzie was hopeless, and
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  Speaker 3: ran his career and and there's I know, there's something
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  Speaker 3: really really lovely about that, I think, and that despite
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  Speaker 3: all the you know, all the hedonism and the excesses
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  Speaker 3: of the rock and roll lifestyle, which I fully endorsed
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  Speaker 3: as a young man, that eventually just kind of became
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  Speaker 3: a house husband just like the.
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  Speaker 2: Rest of us, and broadcast it to the in what
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  Speaker 2: was basically the first reality TV show maybe apart from
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  Speaker 2: Sylvania Waters of course here in Australia, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was one of those first reality TV shows that
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  Speaker 2: looked into that style that then of course you know
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  Speaker 2: Breed the Kardashi, Yeah, and all these other things as well,
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  Speaker 2: but a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot to answer for it.
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  Speaker 1: But I really interrupted you to to go to this No.
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  Speaker 5: No such an iconic figure and it's so great he's
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  Speaker 5: being honored today. So as I was saying in the
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  Speaker 5: UK illegal migrants who crossed the Channel, I've been put
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  Speaker 5: up in hotels with four poster beds, buffets for breakfast,
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  Speaker 5: and your choice of sporting entertainment. These hotels are usually
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  Speaker 5: heavily guarded, so no one really knows what goes on inside,
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  Speaker 5: but one man has managed to go under cover and
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  Speaker 5: get inside and expose what's really happening.
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  Speaker 7: When I thought of the term illegal migrant hotel, I
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  Speaker 7: definitely had a far less luxurious accommodation in my mental image.
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  Speaker 7: So aside from music for entertainment, there is other provisions
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  Speaker 7: as well, like access to multiple different types of sports equipment,
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  Speaker 7: including cricket. If you fancy having ten eggs for your breakfast,
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  Speaker 7: take ten eggs, what's on the menu hush browns, bean's,
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  Speaker 7: hush browns, salad, eggs, tomatoes.
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  Speaker 5: They are taking the British taxpayer for a ride. There
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  Speaker 5: are thirty two thousand asylum seekers in the UK being
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  Speaker 5: put up in two hundred and ten hotels, all on
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  Speaker 5: the dollar of the British taxpayer. While British families are
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  Speaker 5: struggling with the cost of living crisis, struggling with surging
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  Speaker 5: energy prices, struggling to keep a roof over their heads,
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  Speaker 5: you have thirty six thousand illegal migrants being put up
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  Speaker 5: in hotels across the country. We've seen protests in the
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  Speaker 5: UK are wrapped around a lot of these hotels. And
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  Speaker 5: while there are some unsavory characters that have tried now
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  Speaker 5: to hijack this issue and just cause chaos and protests,
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  Speaker 5: I understand the incredible frustration and resentment these people must
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  Speaker 5: feel towards not necessarily the migrants personally, but certainly the
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  Speaker 5: government who has allowed this situation where you have millions
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  Speaker 5: and millions of pounds being spent housing illegal migrants.
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  Speaker 2: And it should be clear this was going on under
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  Speaker 2: the Tories as well, but it has become much worse
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  Speaker 2: than the labor government. I mean, it's almost as those
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  Speaker 2: Tukia took a look at what was going on in
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  Speaker 2: New York and other places in the United States where
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  Speaker 2: they were putting legal migrants up in hotels.
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  Speaker 1: And said, ah, yes, that's the blueprint. That's what we
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  Speaker 1: need to do over here.
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  Speaker 2: Because it worked so well in the United States. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the US had exactly the same thing in terms of
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  Speaker 2: these demonstrations, and you saw how people voted at the
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  Speaker 2: presidential election in November lax year. The number two issue
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  Speaker 2: behind cost of living in every poll was illegal migration.
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  Speaker 2: It is a massive issue and it's turning into a
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  Speaker 2: massive issue in.
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  Speaker 1: The UK as well. And it's bloody expensive too.
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  Speaker 2: That the last financial year twenty twenty four to twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: there was spending one hundred and eight million pounds a
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  Speaker 2: month putting these people up in hotels. That's what I
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  Speaker 2: did the conversion earlier two hundred and twenty two point
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  Speaker 2: twenty five million Australian dollars, which over the course of
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  Speaker 2: the financial year was two point sixty seven billion Australian
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  Speaker 2: dollars that they spent in the UK putting up illegal
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  Speaker 2: migrants in hotels who clearly by the looks of it,
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  Speaker 2: have a far better lifestyle than many people across the UK.
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  Speaker 2: Many people across Australia who were struggling could love nothing
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  Speaker 2: more to be put up with free brecky and a
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  Speaker 2: nice hotel room and the tennis courts and a cricket
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  Speaker 2: pitch to play on every single day. But if you
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  Speaker 2: get a boat across the channel year a year, you go, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Look, i'd I don't necessarily. I think nations have to
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  Speaker 3: control their borders, and that's the most important thing. So
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  Speaker 3: the question I think is whether or not, And because
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  Speaker 3: that does really affect how poor people live because it
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  Speaker 3: undercuts their wages, it takes jobs that they would otherwise get,
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  Speaker 3: and of course puts all sorts of cost of living
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  Speaker 3: pressures on the economy. So that is the first thing.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think. I don't, I mean, I don't,
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  Speaker 3: I don't take I hate the scenes of people rioting
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  Speaker 3: outside and throwing things at police and setting fire to
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  Speaker 3: things and acting horrendously violently or aggressively or threateningly towards
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  Speaker 3: these people, and I don't think they'd see the distinction
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  Speaker 3: between it being against the government or against them. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't like those ugly scenes, and I don't necessarily well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily I don't want asylum seekers or anyone
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  Speaker 3: to suffer unduly. And if a hotel is the only
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  Speaker 3: place they can be put up while they're a waiting
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  Speaker 3: processing or a waiting zept.
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  Speaker 5: I.
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  Speaker 1: Only place they can be put up, well.
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  Speaker 3: That's why they ended up in hotels in New York.
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  Speaker 3: That's why we use hotel quarantine here for our own
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  Speaker 3: citizens as well as other people.
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  Speaker 2: We give it for our own citizens because you know,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't wanted to put them on Christmas Island or
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  Speaker 2: some joint because fair enoff, you're an Australian citizen, you
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  Speaker 2: come to me with that a hotel is the only place
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  Speaker 2: in the entirety of the United Kingdom, I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they don't float the boat, float a
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  Speaker 2: boat somewhere put them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care where you don't put it in the hotel.
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  Speaker 3: We used where you had to build purpose built detention
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  Speaker 3: centers offshore just for that purpose, and the UK simply
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  Speaker 3: does not have them, which is why they're being put
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  Speaker 3: up there. So if they're being put up there and
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  Speaker 3: that they're the facilities the hotel has, while they're awaiting processing.
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  Speaker 3: I think, fine. But the more important thing is that
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  Speaker 3: you actually do have control of your borders, so you're
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  Speaker 3: not incentivizing people to risk their lives, and so you're
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  Speaker 3: giving humanitarian visas to the people who need it.
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  Speaker 4: But that's the problem.
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  Speaker 5: Right by having these cushy conditions, everyone else knows that
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  Speaker 5: if I go to the UK, I get put up
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  Speaker 5: in a really nice hotel with a really nice quality
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  Speaker 5: of life, and that is what draws people. All of
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  Speaker 5: these people are crossing the channel from France. France is
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  Speaker 5: a safe country. The UK is under no obligation to
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  Speaker 5: offer these people asylum if you're coming from an already
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  Speaker 5: safe country. So the answer is, you build a British
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  Speaker 5: style Alligator Alcatraz and you make the living conditions so
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  Speaker 5: unbearable that there is no incentive for people to cross
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  Speaker 5: the channel. And while you do that, you fortify the channel.
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  Speaker 5: You actually have surveillance and navy boats turning these boats around.
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  Speaker 5: This is all within the government's control, but they have
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  Speaker 5: failed to secure the border, and it's British people who
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  Speaker 5: are paying.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's a boat called Tony Abbott. They may want
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  Speaker 1: to look it up in the United Kingdom.
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  Speaker 2: He came up with this idea of turning boats back
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  Speaker 2: and you know what, it worked. It was so successful
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  Speaker 2: that the Labour Party adopted it as well. Maybe the
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  Speaker 2: Labor Party in the United Kingdom should look into that
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  Speaker 2: idea too. Strange story you might have seen floating around today.
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  Speaker 2: I know a few other people have talked about it tonight,
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  Speaker 2: but we're going to talk about it as well, because
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  Speaker 2: it's just so ridiculous. The Member for Longman, Terry Young,
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  Speaker 2: was speaking in the House of Rips yesterday about quotas
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  Speaker 2: gender quoters. He was speaking against gender quoters and he
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  Speaker 2: made a pretty reasonable point about the fact that on
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  Speaker 2: the whole men are attacked to certain jobs, then women
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  Speaker 2: are attracted to certain jobs miasibly uncontroversial.
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  Speaker 1: I would have thought this is what he said.
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  Speaker 8: I simply cannot understand while we just cannot accept that
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  Speaker 8: men and women have vocations that the majority of each
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  Speaker 8: gender is drawn to this ridiculous practice is opposed to
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  Speaker 8: ensure fairness, but of course, in reality creates more problems
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  Speaker 8: than it solves. As a husband and a father to
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  Speaker 8: three daughters, if any of them didn't get a job
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  Speaker 8: because of their gender, I'd be filthy, But I'd be
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  Speaker 8: just as filthy if they.
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  Speaker 3: Got a job.
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  Speaker 8: Because of their gender, men tend to be more drawn
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  Speaker 8: to vocations and involved mass physical exertion, like construction and trades,
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  Speaker 8: whereas women in the main tend to be drawn to
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: careers that involve women and care and other people. Vocations
• 17:55
  Speaker 8: like hairdressers, nursing, social workers and the like will always
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: be more female dominated.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, where's the lie. What he says is true.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: But Catherine King, the infrastructure minister, eh, she saw red.
• 18:09
  Speaker 9: This is exactly the attitude member for longmen that keeps
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: wages for women low, stops them from putting their hands
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: up to earn, learn a trade, or work in stem
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: or represent their communities in this place.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Which is all Reggie was. Reggie could have bloody read
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: in that suit there too. I mean, for goodness, Hack
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to try and suggest with what he see it is
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: sex It's it's not sexist, it's just the truth.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: But I mean, we need gender quotas.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: We absolutely need gender quotas, because when I drive home
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: at night and they have incessant bloody roadworks going on,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I have not seen a male lollipop person in a
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: very long time. All the women have taken those jobs away.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: So we definitely need male gender quotas in the construction industry,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: the road building industry to get blokes turning those lollipops signs.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Again, I think that so should be a matter of principle.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: We need to get onto that. But honestly, what is
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: sit is true? What's wrong with it?
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Well, it is true women are three percent of all
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: construction workers and similarly, men are twelve percent of nurses.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: It goes both ways. There are certain industries the men
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: and women are differently attracted to. In the past, have
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: there been biases against men in nursing or women in
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: construction or the trades?
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: Of course, should they exist.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: No, If you can do the job competently, then you
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: should be able to do the job and have equal opportunity.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: To do so.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: But the reality is we live in quite an egalitarian
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: country now. If you're a girl in Australia and you
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: want to do basically any job under the sign, you're
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: more than able to. And so the argument that somehow
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: those differences exist because of oppression is false.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: It's choices.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Women biologically are wired up to nurture to be more caring.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: Of course, there are exceptions to that rule, but that
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: is just a fact. If you look women's personalities on
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the whole, and if you look at men on the whole,
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: they are generally going out. They want to be the protectors,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: they want to be in physical industries, hands on. It's
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: just different. And the idea that in the twenty first century,
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: because we're all such great feminists we can't even acknowledge
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: simple biological reality is so stupid.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: But I guess it does make sense.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: When you can't define a woman, you can't acknowledge reality,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: so it starts up for labor.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Look, I think now, I think a lot of these professions,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: I have no doubt that you know, women are probably
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: buying large more instinctively carrying and nurturing than men, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: there'd be certain biological realities there. But a lot of
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: this is stuff that is historic that is grounded. Like
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: if you look at, for example, teaching, where you know
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: where it was overwhelmingly dominated by women, you know in
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: a large part that would be because you know it
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: was done by nuns back in the day, and women
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: indeed were so treated light nuns. As soon as they
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: got married, they had to quit whatever job they had
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: including teaching. So these things that have kind of cultural things,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: and this has led to problems as well, Like there
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: are problems with we just had a debate about whether
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: or not men should be allowed to be childcare workers,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: for God's say, and so we sort of I suppose
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the stew on the other foot. But there's issues with
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: educators a really way that there are not enough men
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in primary school teaching because because they are because because
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: kids aren't getting positive male role models in life boys,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: young women.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: But why would you want to be a man in
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: teaching because you get drummed out.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They only thinks you're peed put.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: That's right, So you want to actually fix that problem,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: not just say our teaching is just for girls. Same
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: as we want to get more people into STEM, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: that means getting more women into STEM because it's under
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: they're underrepresented. So you want to be saying you want
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: to be making it easier and better and more.
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: Attractive, say that you're biologically Why do you have shorn
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: the idea that somehow women being underrepresented in an indie
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: is inherently a bad thing.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I just don't buy that argument.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Women are underrepresented in the brick laying industry if someone
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: wants to go out and set a quota for fifty
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: percent bricklayers being women, I don't know what difference that
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: would make to the bricks. Like it just I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: understand how someone's gender impacts the work they do.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: It makes longference to the number of women who need
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to retire when they're fifty years in These have given way,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and they've tried to have a kid in the middle
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: of it too, I mean. And that's the other biological
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: reality is that you know, I know it's controversial so
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: these days, but only women can have children and.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: That necessarily affects career choices as well.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people don't want to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: admit that it does, but the reality is that it does,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and that is never going to change until they come
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: up with a way.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure they will.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Very soon for all of us to be able to
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: be a children, and it will be an unnatural way,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: but they'll come up with a way to do it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Until that happens, there will be an innate and natural
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: inequality that exists in terms of employment, because that's just
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the way it's got to be. But his point, Terry's
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: point was he'd be filthy if his daughters didn't get
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a job because they're women, And he'd be filthy if
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: they got a job because they are women. And I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: think that's all he's trying to say is you should
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: have a quality of opportunity. And I think that's a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: fair thing, isn't it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Totally. We stand with Terry. Justice for Terry on this one.
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: Well, in Marti Gras, it's been no secret that the
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: lg and B sometimes have an issue with the t
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: and there have been certain activist elements of the LGBT
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: movement that have tried infiltrating organizations and pushing them in
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: a very radical direction. That's exactly what's happened in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Sydney Marti Gras last year. A group called Pride in Protest,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: which is a far left wing activist group, mobilized at
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: the AGM to move a motion banning police from all
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Mighty Gras in the future. And naturally, there are a
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: lot of gay lesbian members of the police force who
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: should be free to participate in Marighty Gras as anyone
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: else would be. Well, now a group has started organizing
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: themselves to push back against the creep of the radical
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: left wing group pride in protest. But this was always
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: going to happen because there has been, since the emergence
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: of the sort of transgender far left movement, a tension
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: there between a lot of LGB people who just kind
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: of want to get on with life, not cause too
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: much of a fuss, just have their street party, have
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: the Mardi Gras, and that's kind of it. And then
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: now you've got these groups coming and going no, we
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: need to make political statements, we need to ban police,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: we need to tear down Australia. So I'm really glad
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: people are standing up and going no, this shouldn't be
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a forum for political activism.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I'm absolutely inside. I mean Mardi Gras is always been
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: a forum for political activism. Minor started as a protest march,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: but yes, you're asolutely right. So what's happened is Marti
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Gras has gone from being at its peak this incredible
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, it went from being a protest marched, this
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: incredible international success story that was a massive tourist draw
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: card for Sydney. It was renowned all over the globe.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: People would come from literally, you know, the opposite side
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: of the planet to you had crowds packed I used
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: to live just down the road in Darlinghurst, but have
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: crowds packed, you know, two hundred thousand people watching a parade.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: And the mark of its success was that it started
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: as a protest against the police targeting gay people and
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: homoseexualty being illegal, and the police then embraced it and
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: as a sign of how far they had come and
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: how much the gay community was welcome and celebrated and
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: embraced by the community. The police then had their own
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: float and they marched in support of this movement that
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: they once oppressed and tried to shut down and arrest.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And so this is the most incredible victory for that movement.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And then what happens, of course, is you get these
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: guys and it's not just transfers. They're basically sort of
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: queer marches, and they are and they are just now bonkers,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: and they just want to hijack everything they want to.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: You know, they call pride in protest. They want to
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: protest for the sake of it. I don't believe that
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the actual victims of this horrendous double murder. I don't
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: think their families were calling for the police to be ejected.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And the mainstream gay community I know is really appalled
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: by this and does not want police to be excluded
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: because they see this as erasing all the things that
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: they have achieved over generations and decades. And then you
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: have these young, crazy radicals who come in who haven't
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: done the hard yards, who didn't get these massive wins
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: for the community, who now just want to blow up
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: everything like all radicals want to do. So it's an
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: absolutely disgraceful thing that they've done to try to hijack this,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: and it's no incidents that since these guys have had
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: more influence with the Mardi Gras, the parade and the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: celebrations have not been the massive international draw card or
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: success that they were in previous years. They also want
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: to boycott people. You know, they kept talking about boycotting
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: prime ministers. They don't know this, talk about boycotting Malcolm
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Turnbull because he didn't do enough for marriage equality. These
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: guys just want to protest and boycott and winge and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: for the sake of it, and they are undermining all
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: the work that more far more impressive people, more impressive
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: activists than them, have done.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And the problem for these people who are coming to
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you know, the Johnny cum Lately's, and I suppose that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Johnny cum Latley's in large part because they're younger than
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the people who came before them in the gay movement.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: But you know, they're living in a lifetime now where
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: there is nothing abnormal about being gay. You're not a
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: victim by being gay. I mean almost everyone says, just.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Go about your life.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I don't particularly care what you do, but when it
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: is decided, everything about your personality is tied to victimhood,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're not a victim anymore
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: because people fought.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: For you had to get arrested.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: In mind, I know you're like, damn it, what's wrong
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: with me?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: You know? And Jack a You, who's been the labor
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: man for a long time, he's an organizer in the AWU,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: has written about this stuff in the OS, and he
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: kind of makes the point. You know, you don't need
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: to have a great coming out story.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: You're gay. You're just gay.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Move on to the world we fought for, and now
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you say it's not good enough.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: We've got to have problems with everyone else.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Last night we told you, of course, at ten thirty
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: when the story broke, which is nearly ten thirty now,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: but ten thirty last night the story broke that the
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Federal government was going to include YouTube in its social
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: media band for under sixteen's. Also last night going on
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: in the Senate was a motion put up by United
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Australia part of Senator Ralph Barbett to say this is
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: an urgency mode to acknowledge the fact that rules that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: have also been brought in with all of this social
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: media stuff for people who have accounts on search engines
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: like Google for instance, which says if you have an
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: account with Google or Bing or any other search engine,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: that you'll have to subject yourself to some sort of
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: age verification is going too far. His motion read that
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the need to recognize that the Internet Search Engine Services
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Online Safety Code, which is part of all of this stuff,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: which requires age assurance measures for account holders of search engines,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: must be amended as it represents another layer of digital surveillance,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: stressed up as child protection and raises many privacy issues.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: He was him introducing that motion last night.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: I have some Greens I say thank you for supporting
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: my motion in defense of privacy and against creeping surveillance.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: I never thought I'd say that, but thank you Helmus
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: have frozen over to the Liberal Party. We believe statement
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: says that you support the inalienable rights and freedoms of
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: all people. Here is your chance to show it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: And indeed the Liberal Party did support it. And so
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: this motion passed thirty eight to twenty five. Now it
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any immediate changes to any legislation, but it
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: certainly paves the way for it to potentially happen. Now,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got an acknowledgment from the Liberal Party,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: from one Nation, from most of the cross Bench, the Greens,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that we do have privacy issues tied up in all
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of this social media regulation business, in this case, specifically
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the need to subject yourself to an age verification test
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: to have an account with Google, for instance. The whistle
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: is starting to be blown on the fact, particularly that
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the E Safety Commissioner seems to be getting away with
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: her self.
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: A bit here.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: Yes, But at the same time, if you don't think
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: Google doesn't already know absolutely everything about you, your mum,
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: your dog, your cat, like you've got to be kidding me.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, they have all this information just by looking
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: at your browser history and the cookies that you collect
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: across each website. Google or any social media giant is
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: basically able to construct a pretty clear picture of exactly
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: who you are, where you live, how old you are,
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: everything about your life and so, yes, the idea that
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: the government is then playing a part in that and
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: accessing that information and potentially opening the door to censorship
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: is concerning. But at the same time, if you don't
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: want any of your details being out there, if you
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: do genuinely care about your privacy, the only way to
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: do that is by not being on the internet or
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: having an incognito browser, never have any tracking or cookies on.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: If you do that, good on you. But most people don't.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's absolutely right. I think you know
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: this is a conspiracy in search of a reality, the
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: idea that this is all the government's doing, and that
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: social media companies aren't already harvesting all animation they can
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: possibly extract from us, And that's right, And they know everything.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, guys, they know everything.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So we should be forced to give it more, is
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: what you're saying, because they've got enough already.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: No, No, I mean I'm saying they've already got it.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: And again, if there is I think there do have
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: to be some measures to protect kids. There are already
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: plenty of streaming services. I think Disney now makes you
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: put in your date of birth so they give you
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: appropriate streaming content. And the interesting thing I thought was
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: that the Greens who supported this did this with sort
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, oh.
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: We're supporting Ralph Berbott's motion, but we we want to
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: make it clear that we don't really support anything he
• 32:43
  Speaker 11: thinks about this, even though we're supporting the motion, because
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: in fact, you know, we're just as crazy as they are,
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: but we don't like to associate with them because that's
• 32:50
  Speaker 11: here because we're the Greens.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, you know, obviously if it gets
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: too owners, people will resist and that's where it will stop.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Because the social media companies and that and Google want
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: us to be there, so the minute there's resistance from people,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: then they simply won't.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But it's the means by which you construct all of
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: this that is the potential issue. They're date of birth,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but you could put any bloody date of birth in,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: so we say, well, date of birth doesn't work. Hence
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: why they want to use facial recognition and things like
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: this to get onto social media, which means they're they're
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: using biometric data, which is valuable. That I know, all
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: data is valuable, but we're just offering up more and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: more data.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: But in this do you not government?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: How do you do you open your phone with facial recognition? Well?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I can, yes, So.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: They've already got itst.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Of the government.
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: The government doesn't really we can get we can get
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: into this, but it's too complex for now. But there
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: are ways that you could have verification that sits separately
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: to the government, but it talks to each other, so
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: you're not actually transferring your data to the government.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: You give it straight to the private companies.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: They're selling it anyway.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: But another area where technology is getting a little scary
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: is artificial intelligence. We've told you that every job is
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: under risk, even supermodels and influences are being replaced by AI,
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: and now one hundred and fifty jobs at at Lassian
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: work cut, with those jobs all being replaced by AI.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Now, Mike canon Brooks recorded.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: A fifteen minute video that he emailed to staff basically
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: going sorry you're sacked. Rightfully, people are a little upset
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: at how impersonal the news was delivered to them, but
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: don't worry. There is actually one sector that will never
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: be replaced by AI. The Camera Times reported that don't
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: worry Camera public service jobs will not be replaced by AI.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: It will only be used to enhance our jobs, never
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: replace us. So I don't know that makes you feel
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: so much better about the date of AI. I know
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: we're all replaced, but the canber bureaucrats they'll still be there.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But if there's one place you wouldn't have mine Todai'm
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: taking over some jobs, it would probably be the public service.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, for goodness, well, I was going to give
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a hand.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: That hand all that over first. In Mike cannon Brooks's defense,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: if you're going to let someone know that they're being
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: replaced by a robot, I think you'd want to do
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: it in personally, right because that's literally what that's literally
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: what's happening. So give it. Please give them a taste
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: of what they're getting. But yeah, I find it just
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: hilarious that the Canberra Times today this morning splashed with it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: They don't worry public servants, your jobs are absolutely safe.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: There is no way, maybe because the intelligence simply wouldn't apply. Well,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: let's say that's a good point artificial mediocrity that might
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: be a threat to that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Anthony Catalano would have been breathing
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: a sigh of relief when he realized that one of
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: his main mast heads will still have people in Canberra
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: available to buy it, because you know, if they get
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: rid of all the public servants and replace them with
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: who's going to buy the Canberra Times. After this, we'll
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: get into the papers on the front of the oars,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: torow Iranian agents harassing s mixedpats here in Australia, course
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: to shut down the embassy and more than coming up
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: after this. All right, let's get into the papers, starting
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: with the Herald Sunjo.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yes, indeed the heun has a greatly on on the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: front page exclusive radical plans for new taxes, legalizing cannabis,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: softening anti protest laws in leaked agenda Labor's secret hit list.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know why, I'm just doing the media watch
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: voice for no reason.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Anyway, you might be on the list.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: That's check out this. Hundreds of Victorian Labor Party proposals
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: that include new taxes, legalizing cannabis and watering down anti
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: protest laws have been leaked ahead of a major party
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: meeting this weekend. The Herald Sun has obtained a copy
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: of every policy committee report that will help shape the
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: ALP state election blue next year, including on health, education,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: justice and the economy. The report, up to one hundred
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: pages long, contains new or revised policies such as replacing
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: stamped with an annual land tax was a crowd favorite,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: creating attacks on land salese superprofits, and opposing new powers
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: for special envoy tackling eighty epnitism. So this is all
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the little Luck Party carnetine little policy committees that all
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the memberships so diligently go on and prepare their little reports,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: and then it all goes to state conference and then
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: it all gets ignored by the government, which is what
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: happens every time. Although having said that the Victorian Labor
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: government is a bit they're almost crazy enough.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Well that's the thing is, there's no guarantee that they're
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: just going to say no.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: In New South Wales, in a civilized state, every single
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: policy gets ignored. And also the conference is run by
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: the right. But in Victoria, yeah, the lunatic.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: This is got to keep in mind and nut cases
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: that actually run some of these parties and the stuff
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: they come up with. I mean, you know this is
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: this is real election winning.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Stuff, isn't it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: And how do you have time to put together one
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: hundred pages of policies? This must be people either bureaucrats
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: or on the union dollar, because that is a lot
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: of work, and for such garbage policies as opposing the
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: envoy on anti Semitism, Like is that really a priority
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: for the state?
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like the last at conference was fully
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: hijacked by pro palestime protests and everything, and and you've
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: just got all these like super super keen activists, you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: like constantly imagine you imagine like young labor.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Left and let's let's let's have more taxes that'll that'll
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: certainly win your elections. Let's go to the front of
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the Australian tomorrow, which is revealed agents of your own
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: regime terrorizing dissidents down under. Exiled Iranians say they're being
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: stalked and threatened with death by Islamic Republic agents operating
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: freely in Australia. As the Albanesi government faces renewed pressure
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: to shot down tey RAN's embassy and act on foreign interference,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: several Iranian Australians broke their silence to tell the Australian
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: how the regime monitors their.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Activities using informants.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The claims they've been repeatedly threatened for publicly condemning around
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: Supreme Leader the Aya Toller and the Muller's. Some threats
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: came after Israel and the US destroyed Iran's nuclear facilities
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: during a twelve day war in June. I mean, you'd
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: think this is just basic stuff to get on top of.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe we shouldn't be letting agents from basically what our
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: terrorist countries come over here and threaten people.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I would be thoroughly.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Surprised if AZO or the federal government weren't aware of
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: this already in some way. If they're not already aware
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of this and they're reading it for the first time
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: on the front of the Odds tomorrow, that's seriously concerning.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: These people need to be found and drummed out of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the country or locked up.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: The other element as well is that they will threaten
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: the families that are still in Iran of the dissidence.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: So I spoke to a woman who after the after
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: Israel bombed Iran's nuclear plants, she's been very vocal against
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: the Islamic regime and her parents were detained for questioning
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: about what work she was doing, what she was doing
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: on social media. She's an academic at Sydney UNI and
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: then her parents disappeared. That is happening in real time
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: because of things. She's an Australian citizen, because of things
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Australians are saying about the regime, their families back home
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: and now even here are being targeted.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And you say, you know, there's reports of
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Party doing similarly the same thing.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Chinese as right here. But good on them for coming
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: out because that will probably the first thing, the first
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: thing that covert operatives hate is when things stopped being
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: covert and suddenly it's come out. So it's very brave
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: of them to reveal it. But also just you know,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: well done everybody who decided they would back Iran and
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: the AYA when it was at war with Israel and
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: the US, because you are officially an enemy of the
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Iranian people, just as that regime is an enemy of
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: the Iranian people. So it's just, you know, it's just
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: the socialist left and the Ayatolla. You guys are just
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: on a unity ticket hanging out.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Together exactly, it's absurd.
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: In the Career Mail tomorrow, Queensland's coal shoulder mining companies
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: would rather do business in Tanzania, Namibia and Indonesia than
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Queensland due to red tape, unpredictable regulation and concerns over
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: disputed land claims. A major new report has revealed and
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: the annual global survey of more than one hundred, three
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: hundred and fifty miners by the Canadian based think tank
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: the Fraser Institute, revealed yesterday, shows Queensland has taken a
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: severe stumbling in the rankings, dropping from a thirteenth in
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: the world for investment attractiveness to thirty ninth. So these
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: businesses would rather be mining in Africa or you have
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: to deal with corruption, port, infrastructure, unreliable everything. Really then
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: in Australia, in Queensland, that's shocking.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's pretty easy to get things done
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: in corrupt countries because just just pay your money and
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you start to get stuff done. But as a country
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: now we stand in the way of all this because
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that's supposedly good for the environment and therefore good for
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the world. And I would advance the argument as I
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: have before in these matters both from the perspective that
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: mining things here like col to send overseas is good
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: because it pulls people up out of poverty. And why
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: would we want to consign billions of people around the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: world of poverty when we have the answer to that,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: which is cheap energy that we can dig out of
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the ground here in Australia. But do you think the
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: working conditions for people in minds in Africa are all
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: that great? I mean, surely we're much better allowing mining
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: to flourish in this country where we know people are
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: treated reasonably well and that we have general knowledge of
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: where the money is going, as opposed to what's happening overseas,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: where people would be.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Dying in the minds every day. You know, there's no
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: oversight what.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: That's absoutely right. And I think in a lot of
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: ways this is actually sort of you know, uncertainty or
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: perception rather than reality. I mean, Australia's export coal mining
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: business is one hundred percent open for business. It is
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: not under any threat. As long as people are buying
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: our coal, we are going to continue to dig it
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: up and export it for exactly those reasons that it's
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: better than some of the alternatives that developing nations are using,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: like burning wood. It's also much better than alternative coal
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: sources because we've got really high quality black coal in
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: New South Wales and Queensland, so we will keep exporting coal.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: And I think part of the problem is you maybe
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: have people thinking, well, there's so much noise about it,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: you know, is that going to be the way forever?
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: And business is thinking, oh, you know what if there's
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: greenies getting charged? So as usual the Greens and the
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: left who are demanding everything go further harder all the time.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: And our little friend from the un who came over
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: for give us a little lecturer, hurting business and probably
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: hurting the environment as well. To the NT News Just
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: quickly before we go ex cop file's official complaint, I
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: think you've probably heard of this guy, Rolph takes on
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: coroner by my good friend. You'll be surprised to learn
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Caleb Matt Cunningham, former editor of the nten years and
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: now of course Sky News Northern Australia correspondent and a
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: top blow former Northern Territory Police officer Zachary Rolf, has
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: launched lodged a complaint accusing the coroner of bias. It
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: comes after Territory Coroner Elizabeth Armitage earlier this month delivered
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: her findings into the death of Command Jay Walker in
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: front of an activist group's banner. So he is saying
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: that the that the finding handed down by the coroner
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: because it was read out in front of an activist
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: banner on behalf of Command Joe Walker, he is a legend,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: not that we know yet, but he's alleging in his
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: complaint that the coroner was in fact bias, and we
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: know that there have been some adverse findings against Zachary
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Rolf in both the coroner's court.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Indeed, you know, it's the perception I suppose that it gives,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: regardless of whether or not there is actual bias from
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the coroner. You can understand why he would feel that
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: people would watch that and see a sign behind you
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: go oh, well, there must be some sort of connection here,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: whether or not that connection is real.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: So we will see where.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: That ends up after the break. Imagine you're a young fella.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: You get caught in the police chase pretty bad. The
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: coppers call your mom up. She tells you go to
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: the cop shop. That's pretty bad, and then you give
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: up clanger of an excuse for why you were in
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: that chase.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: We'll tell you what that is up.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: All right, Time for another entry into one of our
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: favorite segments, and today it's poor old time Hartigan. He
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: was caught by the coppers going one hundred and twenty
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: kilometers an hour in a sixty zone, which is pretty ordinary.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: He ended up in a police chase and he had
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: to go off to court for this. They saw him
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: in the IgA car park. He pulls out of the
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: car park and proceeds to go down the road, running
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: on red lights and driving over roundabout, all this sort
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: of stuff at one hundred and twenty k an hour
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: and the coppers didn't manage to catch up with him,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: but they did take down his license plate. So they
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: looked up his license plate and then found his mum
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: and called up his mum and said, I think your
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: son should come and hand himself in.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: So we did come and hand himself in. They said
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: what the hell were you.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Doing and he said, look, I've just had a break
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: up with my girlfriend and I watched him in the
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: right frame of mind, because that's going to get you
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: over the line. I mean, you know what all the
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: excuses to come up with, Oh look, I'm sorry I
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: had to go one hundred and twenty k an hour
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: in a sixty zone because my girlfriend broke up with me.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: It's got to be up there.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe she was driving him crazy, driven to despair.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Very good, poor guy.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: What I love is that they they called his mum
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: and got his mum to call him. Don't they know
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: it's dangerous to answer the phone while driving. I mean
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: he's already doing one hundred and twenty and a sixty zone.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: This could have been catastrophic. Speaking of things moving very
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: very fast and Australian design and manufactured rocket, something tells
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: me this is not going to any well. Has lifted
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: off in the first launch attempt from home soil, although
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: it did crash shortly after. Gilmore Space Technologies attempted to
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: launch its orbital rocket called Eiras from a spaceport in
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: the North Queensland community of Bowen on Wednesday morning. Didn't
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: know we had one, but that's nice. The rocket was
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: in the air for less than a minute, which I
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: think for something that's meant to go orbit, is probably
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: not quite long enough to do the circumference of the Earth.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: But anyway, Spectators who gathered in Bowen reported hearing a
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: blast and seeing large plumes of smoke at the launch
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: and for some time after. Co founder Adam Gilmore posted
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: to social media the company was happy with the launch attempt.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Adam Gilmore Gilmore Space released a statement with further information
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: celebrating the unprecedented event. The company said Era said twenty
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: three seconds of engine burn time and fourteen seconds of flight.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: So you know, I know it was very great, syste.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I'm glad to see a technic Jobilki Peterson wanted to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: do this thirty nine years ago and finally the idea
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: is coming to me.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good and apparently Australia is actually optimal country
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: to launch things into this space.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: Let's just hope we can get one there one.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Day about thirty nine years. This incidentally, is approximately three
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: years per second of flight.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: There we go.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: Well, just quickly, I want whoever is running the White
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: House a social media they deserve a pay rise. The
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: White House is pumping out the memes left, right and center.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: He was the latest one they posted.
• 49:04
  Speaker 12: Damn hold, nothing beats the jet to you holiday and
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: right now you can save fifty pounds per person. That's
• 49:13
  Speaker 12: two hundred pounds off for a family of four. But
• 49:22
  Speaker 12: now Ubjet to you holidays.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: So using that iconic mean sound and showing videos of
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: them deporting migrants too good.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: That's it from ours up nicks to rid a panic
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: and show them black