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Romeo /Juliet? TEEN GIRL TELLS NANCY 'WHY I'M AFRAID TO GO HOME · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
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  Speaker 2: With me right now is a special guest and we've
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  Speaker 2: heard a lot about him, but now let's hear from him.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Penny Lyle, fifteen year old
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  Speaker 2: Penny Lyle's father, Ryan Lyles. Mister Lyles, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us, mister Lyles. This whole thing has spiral,
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  Speaker 2: has spun out, way out of control. I know from
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  Speaker 2: talking to you before we went to air that your
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  Speaker 2: number one concern is getting Penny home safely. How did
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  Speaker 2: this whole thing start?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it started with my older daughter's cell phone. She
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  Speaker 3: said it needed to get fixed, and I said, we'll
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  Speaker 3: set it on the counter.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: The cell phone sat there for a day or two
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  Speaker 3: and started going off with messages. I looked at the phone.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen some incriminating messages on the cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: What did you see?
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  Speaker 3: Just they're buying drugs or using drugs. They're sneaking out
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  Speaker 3: at night, they're not being responsible kids. And it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: this my oldest daughter. It was all of them. Jonathan's
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  Speaker 3: the only one with a corne.
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  Speaker 2: Now, hold on, I want to clarify they're not out
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  Speaker 2: buying crack and heroin. You're talking about marijuana and possibly Mollie.
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  Speaker 3: What's called mollie? If they had mentioned marijuana and mal
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  Speaker 3: which is it's supposed to be m DMA or ecstasy,
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  Speaker 3: and I could turn with that.
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  Speaker 2: Is it that it could have anything in it? You
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  Speaker 2: don't know what it's been mixed with.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could have anything at all.
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  Speaker 2: So the older sister, Penny, who is fifteen, older sister
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  Speaker 2: leaves her cell phone. It's ding ding dinging. You look
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  Speaker 2: at it, and, as I would, you start reading it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course you're gonna read it. And you find on
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  Speaker 2: Peni's older sister cell phone texts and messages about marijuana,
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  Speaker 2: about molly, And of course there are parents out there
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  Speaker 2: that only wish their children were just on marijuana and
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  Speaker 2: or molly and not heroin and not cocaine and not methamphetamines.
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  Speaker 2: But still I would be beside myself as well if
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  Speaker 2: I found out the twins were using marijuana and molly.
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  Speaker 2: So you find other things on there about sex, which
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  Speaker 2: no dad wants to think about his daughter, but it happens.
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  Speaker 2: But it's my understanding from what you told me earlier,
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  Speaker 2: your big concern was about the drugs, and so what
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  Speaker 2: do you do.
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  Speaker 3: So I text Penny, comes straight home after school, because
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  Speaker 3: you know, sometimes on meander around and drive the log
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  Speaker 3: and roads, or this is what I thought they were doing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just going to lunch. I'm really now, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not sure exactly what they would do.
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  Speaker 2: So you texted Penny who's now missing, and I mean,
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  Speaker 2: did you text her siblings?
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  Speaker 3: I only only text Penny come straight home after school.
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  Speaker 3: My son would ride the bus home so I didn't
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  Speaker 3: have to worry about him, and my oldest daughter had
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  Speaker 3: graduated already, so it was just Penny I needed to
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  Speaker 3: come straight home. But in the meantime I had told
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  Speaker 3: my wife what I had found, and my oldest daughter
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  Speaker 3: had heard that conversation because she was here at the
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  Speaker 3: house and she called Penny. Until Penny's dad got my
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  Speaker 3: cell phone, and he knows everything. He knows it all.
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  Speaker 3: He's in the cell phone, he's got access to it.
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  Speaker 3: We're busted.
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  Speaker 2: And based on your old your other daughter calling Penny going, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the gig is up. Dad knows everything. He read my phone.
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  Speaker 2: Penny is afraid because she's gonna get in trouble.
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  Speaker 3: Penny is afraid that she knows what's gonna come. She
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  Speaker 3: knows that Jonathan is. She's not responsible to have Jonathan
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  Speaker 3: around the house anymore. She knows that. That's because we
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  Speaker 3: had an agreement, you know what I mean, Jonathan could
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  Speaker 3: stay here if you guys got straight a's. And there's
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  Speaker 3: not any like physical intimacy, there's not There was rules
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  Speaker 3: set out to this relationship, and we shouldn't have done
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  Speaker 3: it to begin with, but there was rules set out,
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  Speaker 3: and they knew the consequences of the rules.
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  Speaker 2: Now you let Jonah when you guys moved, you let Jonathan,
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  Speaker 2: who is now turn eighteen move with your family.
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  Speaker 3: Well, why, I'm very strict with my oldest daughter. We
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  Speaker 3: didn't allow dating. We didn't allow that type of thing,
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  Speaker 3: and it didn't turn out well. And so I thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: we're going to try this a different way. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: let Pity have a boyfriend, and we're gonna we're gonna, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, nurture the relationship and watch it and be
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  Speaker 3: involved in it and teach her the proper way, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean, the proper way to have a relationship.
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  Speaker 3: I figured I would go that route because the other
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  Speaker 3: ways of just nothing didn't work okay, and made you know,
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  Speaker 3: made my other daughter lash out a little bit and
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  Speaker 3: be rebellious. So Jonathan didn't live in the house with this.
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  Speaker 3: I have a large property here in Oregon, and I
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  Speaker 3: have an apartment, and he lived in the apartment, and
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  Speaker 3: like they could have, there was curfused where he had
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  Speaker 3: to go to his apartment, and so it wasn't a
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  Speaker 3: free for all here.
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  Speaker 2: So question, after your daughter Peeny, who's now missing, gets
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  Speaker 2: tipped off, Dad's mad. He knows the whole thing, what happens, then.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I just continue to look at these tents. And
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  Speaker 3: I really I didn't think anything about Penny not coming
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  Speaker 3: home or anything like that, because she's a good kid.
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  Speaker 3: At about three forty five, four o'clock, I'm texting Penny
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  Speaker 3: you know where ye at? And I didn't get anything
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  Speaker 3: in return, and I called her several times and nothing.
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  Speaker 3: So I drove to the school. And when I got
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  Speaker 3: to the school, the doors were locked, and the sheriff
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  Speaker 3: was there, and they had Penny inside and Jonathan.
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  Speaker 2: The doors were locked, the sheriffs were.
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  Speaker 3: There, the doors were locked, the sheriff. They wouldn't let
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  Speaker 3: me in the school to talk with my daughter, I imagine,
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  Speaker 3: because Penny said she was scared, scared of what well
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  Speaker 3: she would have said, she would just say she's scared
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  Speaker 3: of losing.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan's okay because she what, in your mind assumed that
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  Speaker 2: because she's in trouble, that you were going to make
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  Speaker 2: him late.
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  Speaker 3: That was already a known consequence. They're only allowed to
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  Speaker 3: have this if they were going to be responsible people.
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  Speaker 3: And if you can't be responsible, then like if your
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  Speaker 3: grades fall, you know what I mean, there's there's a response.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be responsible in order to have that privilege.
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  Speaker 3: And they were doing all right in their grades and
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  Speaker 3: started following a little bit, and you know, Jonathan didn't
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  Speaker 3: do any sports this year and Penny didn't do any sports.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't do any of that stuff that their parents
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  Speaker 3: claimed they did. They didn't do any of it. They
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  Speaker 3: weren't involved in school at all. They wouldn't go to
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  Speaker 3: church with me. And it was it was it was
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  Speaker 3: starting to get a little frustrating, just to say the least.
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  Speaker 3: But now I realize why.
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  Speaker 2: When you get to the school the doors are like
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  Speaker 2: the Sheriff's there and Peeni's inside. What happened? Then?
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  Speaker 3: I waited around for a few minutes and I thought,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this is fruitless. I need to call my wife,
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  Speaker 3: to tell my wife what's going on and get her involved.
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  Speaker 3: I called my wife and she left work immediately and
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  Speaker 3: she went to the school. I went home at that point.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I had a other sign that's there, and
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  Speaker 3: you know I needed to go home.
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  Speaker 2: Well, plus, they told you they're afraid of you, So
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  Speaker 2: you leave and your wife get so much as your
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  Speaker 2: goal is to get peenis.
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  Speaker 3: My wife went there? You asked, my goal is just
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  Speaker 3: to get Kenny at this point, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then what happens and.
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  Speaker 3: My wife is there and they won't let her in,
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  Speaker 3: and they're questioning Penny and Jonathan for two hours, two
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  Speaker 3: and a half hours, and there was no pictures of
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  Speaker 3: abuse or videos of abuse or allegations of abuse at
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  Speaker 3: that time. They simply were scared to go home because
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  Speaker 3: they knew the consequence of their actors.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as you know, it has been alleged there is
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  Speaker 2: a video of you abusing one of your children. What
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  Speaker 2: is your response to that.
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  Speaker 3: I want to let's see it and put it on
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  Speaker 3: national news for everybody to see. That's my response to that.
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  Speaker 3: I'd like to have him produce it, whoever says they
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  Speaker 3: have it, and let's see it because it doesn't exist
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  Speaker 3: because I don't abuse my children.
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  Speaker 2: Question, yes, were you in the court hearing when Jonas's
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  Speaker 2: dad gets a protective order against you? Were you there?
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  Speaker 3: No, they did that in Missouri, and I'm an Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: To your knowledge, was a video or anything like a
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  Speaker 2: video or text messages produced to the judge.
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  Speaker 3: There was Look from the paperwork I got the I
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  Speaker 3: forget what it's called the evidence or whatever, but that
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  Speaker 3: they put was three statements written on handwritten paper, and
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  Speaker 3: they all said the same thing. Ryan called me on
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  Speaker 3: this date and threatened to kill me and my family.
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  Speaker 3: That was the three things that were listed in the report.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if there was anything else, but that's
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  Speaker 3: what I was given and that's what the order was
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  Speaker 3: based on.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Lyle, this is Penny Lyle's dad. Are you telling
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  Speaker 2: me that you have not abused your children?
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  Speaker 3: Never? Not once. I treat them like princesses and princes.
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  Speaker 3: My family needs everything to me.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Can we talk about something else? You told me how
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  Speaker 2: you try to give them. You gave them a horse,
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  Speaker 2: You got a car for Jonathan when he moved with you,
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  Speaker 2: a truck. I believe it was tell me about what
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  Speaker 2: you've tried to do for your children, because there's a
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  Speaker 2: I wish I could remember where it was, Jackie. Of
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  Speaker 2: course you have to look it up. There's a say,
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  Speaker 2: there's a phrase in the Bible that says, of course
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try. I'm going to give you what you need.
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  Speaker 2: If my child asks for bread, would I give them stone?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you try to give your children what they want,
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  Speaker 2: what they need, to delight them, to make them happy.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me about how you raised your children, specifically Penny.
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  Speaker 3: So, Penny, it's actually my first, my first daughter, my
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  Speaker 3: oldest daughter. She's my girl, but she's not biologically by
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  Speaker 3: I've had her since she was one, but Penny is
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  Speaker 3: my first girl. She's my she's my baby, and I've
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  Speaker 3: treated her as such, her her life, everything that she's
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  Speaker 3: ever wanted. You know, they they get it. They you
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  Speaker 3: know I'm a softie for them. They I protect them.
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  Speaker 3: I do everything. They've had, horses, they've had, you know,
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  Speaker 3: everything that they can imagine. If they wanted this pair
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  Speaker 3: of shoes, they got it. If they wanted to go here,
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  Speaker 3: they got it. You know, this this problem, this this
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  Speaker 3: winter formal, you know, I I I Penn Jonathan's flower,
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  Speaker 3: you know, is on his suit that I bought him.
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  Speaker 3: You know, they took my truck. They you know, I
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  Speaker 3: treated Jonathan too like he was my own when his
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  Speaker 3: car broke down, you know, the next day or the
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  Speaker 3: day after, I got him a truck to drag about him,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and handing him the keys and the title
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  Speaker 3: and said, here you go. I just don't understand what
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  Speaker 3: the it's just the whole thing is justin.
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  Speaker 2: Because right now it's my understanding and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: talk to Penny. It's my understanding, mister Lyle that Penny
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  Speaker 2: and Jonathan and I can honestly tell you I don't
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  Speaker 2: know what state they're in right now, Well, what's their
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  Speaker 2: true location. They're afraid that if they come back, that
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  Speaker 2: you are going to insist that Jonathan go to jail
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  Speaker 2: and be prosecuted and they're going to be split up.
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  Speaker 2: That is their big fear. What is your response.
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  Speaker 3: When this whole thing started. There's ter texts that I
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  Speaker 3: sent them, and I talked to Penny and told them,
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  Speaker 3: if you guys continue this, it's going to be out
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  Speaker 3: of Dad's hands. It's gonna get out of Dad's hands
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  Speaker 3: where there's nothing I can do about this, and Jonathan's
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  Speaker 3: gonna get in trouble. Just come home, Just come home.
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  Speaker 3: Even through all the all the stuff. The first week,
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  Speaker 3: I agreed with the police, Yeah, let's not press let's
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  Speaker 3: not press charges. Let's just get him home. They don't
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  Speaker 3: want Jonathan to be scared. I the officer asked me, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: this is our plan. Is this okay with you? I said, yes,
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  Speaker 3: one hundred percent. Do whatever you think it takes to
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  Speaker 3: get to get them home. Now, after the second time
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  Speaker 3: that he did what he did, I don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 3: It's out of my hands. There's I can't toose the prosecute.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when she slipped away from authorities, yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: he picked her up and they took off.
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  Speaker 3: You got it. God, I can't. I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 3: have any control over that.
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  Speaker 2: If authorities come to you and say, do you want
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  Speaker 2: to pray charges against Jonathan? If you think you can
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  Speaker 2: get Penny to come home, if you ask for no charges,
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  Speaker 2: would you do it on?
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  Speaker 3: But this is my fear. Jonathan has already proved that
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  Speaker 3: that that he will follow a Penny and take her.
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  Speaker 3: And if I let her back here, of course there's
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  Speaker 3: going to be you know, like she she's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be rewarded for this kind of behavior. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that's understandable from any parents, right, She's not going to
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  Speaker 3: like take her to Disneyland for doing this. So what YEP,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what. I don't know what to do
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  Speaker 3: about this situation.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know the answer the answer, but you would
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  Speaker 2: ask authorities not to prosecute as it stands. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this t r O,
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  Speaker 2: this TPA protective word. I'm reading it got the same
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  Speaker 2: thing you've got, and there's a handwriting in it and
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  Speaker 2: it says this is an allegation by Jonathan's dad, Wayne Stockel. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: November fourteen, Ryan Lyle stated, I'm reading what he wrote,
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  Speaker 2: mister Lyles. Okay. Ryan Lyle stated, I will kill your
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  Speaker 2: entire family in quotes over the phone. I asked him
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  Speaker 2: to stop making threats November fifteen, next day, same threats repeated,
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  Speaker 2: asked him to stop. November sixteen, same threats repeated on phone,
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  Speaker 2: asked him to stop. And the next little segment that
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  Speaker 2: says repeated threats have made have been made against me
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  Speaker 2: and my family. He sent a text stating he is
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  Speaker 2: coming to our town. The text stated he has my
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  Speaker 2: children's information. The threats were, I will kill your entire family.
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  Speaker 2: What is your response to those claims?
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  Speaker 3: So the only truth in that is that I text
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  Speaker 3: him that I said I was coming to his town
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  Speaker 3: and I know all your family where they live. But
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  Speaker 3: that's not the entirety of the text. Text with me
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  Speaker 3: saying I will find my daughter. I think you're helping them,
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  Speaker 3: and if you have my daughter, I will find them.
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  Speaker 3: I will never quit looking. I believe that they have
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  Speaker 3: Penny right now, is what I believe. I believe Penny's
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  Speaker 3: there in Missouri with me.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Penny is with Jonathan's family.
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  Speaker 3: I think that they're they're involved in this more than
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  Speaker 3: they're letting on, and they're helping them. And the fact
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  Speaker 3: that they say that the kids were sweeping meats and
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  Speaker 3: doing odd jobs is just nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I have your text, and this is what it says.
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  Speaker 2: We know you're helping them. Okay, you do believe they're
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  Speaker 2: helping them. The last thing you need is us in Sayer,
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  Speaker 2: which is where they live. I will be there soon
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  Speaker 2: watching your family, looking for my kid. I have all
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  Speaker 2: your older kids info as well. I will find Penny.
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  Speaker 2: You're a pilot, but Jonathan is going to get in
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  Speaker 2: prison for being a pedophile. You keep helping and giving
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  Speaker 2: them info. You beginning in prison too, And I'm not
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  Speaker 2: why would you.
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  Speaker 3: Tell you that, I'm not proud of what I said,
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  Speaker 3: but that in context he had just called me and
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  Speaker 3: told me that if I touched a hair on Jonathan's
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  Speaker 3: head he would kill me. And so this isn't just
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  Speaker 3: a one sided thing with me threatening. This is two
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  Speaker 3: dads that are very, very angry and very emotional reacting
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  Speaker 3: towards each other, with only me going to or if
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  Speaker 3: only him going to the police.
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  Speaker 2: What has your life been like?
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  Speaker 4: Sis?
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  Speaker 2: Penny to call.
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  Speaker 3: Until we found them in tone Upon, until they had
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  Speaker 3: him in tone Upon and we knew they were out
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  Speaker 3: of state. I literally drove around all day and all
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  Speaker 3: night looking for him, just all day, all night.
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  Speaker 2: So what about your wife? What about your wife?
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  Speaker 3: She misses Penny. She's just the straught she's having to uh.
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  Speaker 3: When they found him in tone Upon, she immediately started driving,
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  Speaker 3: I mean towards Bakerfield and she was over halfway there
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  Speaker 3: when they told her that Penny was gone. So she
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  Speaker 3: had been you know, not sleeping for a week and
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  Speaker 3: then had to drive for sixteen hours to Bakersfield, and
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  Speaker 3: she had been a rough go with it.
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  Speaker 2: You told me you spent days and nights just driving around.
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  Speaker 3: We thought they were in the woods. We thought they
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  Speaker 3: were hiding in the woods, and so we've been I
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  Speaker 3: just drove all the all the woods from here to
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  Speaker 3: hours hours. It's every woods, every road there was.
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  Speaker 2: How do you sleep without your daughter?
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  Speaker 3: There's none, there's zero sleep.
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  Speaker 2: If you could speak to Penny right now and she
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  Speaker 2: could hear your voice, what would you say.
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  Speaker 3: Penny knows the truth, if she knows her dad and
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  Speaker 3: her mom and her brother loves her, and she can
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  Speaker 3: just come home, and we have to get on with life.
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  Speaker 3: This just can't go on like this. It's it's we
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  Speaker 3: can't maintain it like this. Penny. We just we love you.
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  Speaker 3: Come home, you ron is just as you left it.
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  Speaker 3: Just just come home.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Do you agree with me, mister Lyles, that until you
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: and mister Stockel come to some kind of a truce,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: they're not coming home.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: No. I don't think that mister Stockel should have anything
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: to do with it. But I do think that I
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: am happy if they If they are at mister Stockel's
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: house because they aren't out in the world, and we
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: know what a scary place that is. I do have
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: to say I would prefer if they were there.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: They're not going to come home as long as they
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: think that you're going to pull a gun and ship.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: They don't think that they know better than that. This
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: is a ploy from Jonathan just reaching and grabbing at straws,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: and his parents don't help them when they when they,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you know, take the lie and then project it even further.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: So I don't have anything against mister Stockel. I just
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: want my daughter home.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I can only imagine she's supposed to come home from
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: school one day and then you never see her again.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And I would like to point out when we told
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: you that we had been in touch, Penny had reached
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: out to us and contacted us. Yes, last night you
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: broke down in tears with relief that you need for
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: sure she was alive.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: It's difficult.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine not knowing where my daughter or my
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: son are. I don't think I could live with me.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: You are hearing Ryan Lyles explaining much of what has
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: been said and his plea to Penny and one more opportunity.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Your message to Penny.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Is what wherever you're at, just will come get you.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: We'll get on airplane, come get you, come home, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: we'll continue on with life here. Gon'd be some hard decisions,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: it has to be made, but we love you and
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: we're here for you to help you make them, and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: just come home. You got to come home, sweetler.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Mister Lyles, thank you for joining us with me. Now
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: is teen girl Penny Lyles who has now been missing
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: with her sweetheart, Jonathan Stockel. Penny, your father has told
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: us he will do whatever it takes to get you
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: back home, worried sick driving around looking for you, that
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: if it were up to him alone, he would not
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: press charges against Jonathan. He also denies any and all
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: abuse on you or anybody in your family.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: What's your response, Yeah, I'm doing everything in my power
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: to not go back to that god awful home. They
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: are lying, They've lied their whole lives about everything, and
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: nobody should believe the word a single one of them.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Would you go back home? Would you go back home?
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: I'm doing everything to not go back home.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: Why Because if I go back.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Home, he is going to do horrible things to me,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: and I'm just going to live this miserable life. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: he is going to try to do something to Jonathan
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: and he's just not going to tell me. He's just
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: using that so I'll come home.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: When you say he your dad will do horrible things
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to you, what do you.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Make It could be dragging me through the gravel by
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: my hair. It could just be thrown in to kill me.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: It could just it could just be slapping me in
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: the face numerous times to the point my mouth is
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: just absolutely bushing blood. It could be so many different things.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Have you been abused in the home, Yes, what happened.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Well for starters, One of his games would have us
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: play is where we would run through the backyard and
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: he would shoot us with the baby gun. And he
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: also did horrible things to my little brother, like one
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: time he picked my little brother up by hood and
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: was choking him because my little brother left a orange
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: juice can in the sink. He dragged me and my
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: sister and my other brother through the gravel by her
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: hair and said he was gonna send us away because
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: he we were little. And he like my sister, sprayed
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: hairspray on the mirror. But she was too scared to
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: admit that was her. So he started screaming at us
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: and going crazy. And since no one would admit what like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: who did it? He threatened to take us to Juvie.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: And that's when he started dragging us to the car
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: by our hair, saying he was going to go get
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: the hairspray can fingerprinted and send us to juvi over it.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Wait, who's sprayed hey with hairspray?
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: My older sister sprayed like the mirror in the bathroom
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: with hairspray. Just she was a little kid. She was
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: just doing little kid things.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: And you remember being dragged by your hair through gravel? Yes,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: how old were you at that time?
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I would say I was.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Nine or ten.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Since that time, what abuse have you endured?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: He doesn't do too much to me anymore, But now
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: lately he's just been screaming at me. He's just threatening me.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: He he makes me do weird things like sit on
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: his lap, and he tells me about how much virgins
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: are worth and how much he could sell me for,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: and he'll go, wha.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Wha white white, white white what he.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: Would He would make me sit on his lap sometimes,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: and if I didn't un told him I was uncomfortable.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: He would just tell me that I didn't love him,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: and then he proceeded to tell me about how much
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: virgins are worth and that he could sell me for
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: a lot of money.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: When did this occur?
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I would say maybe a year ago. It was like
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: right before I moved to Missouri.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Where is your mom?
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: And all this just standing there by my dad not
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: really saying anything.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So between the incident when you were nine or ten
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: when you were dragged by your hair through gravel and
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the incident where you are sitting in his lap and
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: he is discussing how much virgins are worth, was there
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: any a b and that was about a year ago?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Is there any abuse in between those five years?
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: They would just repeatedly smack me and just things like
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: I understand consequences for actions, but like being smacked is
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: one thing, but being like repeatedly hit is under you.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Mean hit in your face? Yes? Hit where else on
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: your body?
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: H my legs, my butt, my back, my arms for
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: what for?
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: What? Your hit for? What? What reason?
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Just just anything like it's it could be really simple things.
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: It could be just I didn't under like if I
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: would if you told me to do something, and I
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: asked questions like that he thought were dumb about like
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: the instructions. He would just get mad and just lashed
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: out on everybody.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: How often did this happen, Piani?
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: Probably every day?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Was it with an open hand or a fist or
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: an object all the above? What object about a book,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: a plate.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: A cup?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Tell me what happened the day that you and Jonathan
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: took off.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Well, my dad called me and he told me that
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: he found like I was using drugs on my sister's phone,
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: which is not true. I do not use drugs. And
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: my older sister, my older sister, she's done some things
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: that she has before, she has gotten into some drug use,
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: and it was on her phone that she was doing that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: But then he tried to say that it was me
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: and Jonathan were doing all this, and which it's just
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: not true. So then he told me that he was
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: just gonna make my life miserable and he was going
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: to beat Jonathan up and then send him home.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Now what I mean is this in text, no or verbal?
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: It was over the phone because I was at school, So.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: He called you at school.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And so after that, I told Jonathan what was
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: going to happen, and we were scared, so I decided
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: to try to come forth again and with what he's
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: done to me, because I went to DHS in Missouri
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: and they didn't do anything.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: When did that happen? You went to the Department of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Family Children Health Services?
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I went through it by going to my school
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: counselor there and I told them and they got me
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: a DHS officer or whatever, and I had to have
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: an interview with them, and they interviewed me and my
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: older sister and my little brother, and with my parents
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: found out because DHS went to the house. They came
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: and pulled me my siblings out of school and we
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: had to sit at the house for the rest of
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: the day because my parents didn't want us talking to them.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: And then what happened with that investigation, I have.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: No idea the DHS when they went to my house.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: My parents just told them to leave and they left
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: and I never heard anything again.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And how long were you at that time? Panning fifteen
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: fifteen one to five? Is that what she said?
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, that was in Missouri. Nothing became of it. What
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: was your day and mom's reaction to you getting in
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: touch with DHS, well, the school counselor.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: They didn't know it was me. I tried to do
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: it all anonymous because I knew that if it didn't
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: do anything, and my parents knew that I had done that,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: that things would just be awful.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Threw me at my home And what did you tell DHS?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: What did you tell the school counselor?
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Well, I started off with that my dad is a
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: felon and has all these guns in the house, because
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: that's just right off the bat, just illegal. And then I.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Told them why leegal to have guns in the house.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Well, he has a hole safe of guns and they're
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: technically all of my mom's name, but he's used them
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: before and all this, so I.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Know that is a leap question. So you go to
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: the school counselor and you tell them about the guns.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: What else did you tell them? At that time?
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: I told them just a brief about the abuse, because
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: I had to go do all my class and stuff
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: and I didn't want to waste all my time because
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: of school and everything like that, and I knew my
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: parents would do all that, and they had to go
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: talk to my little brother, and we were just on
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: like a timeframe for being at school for it to
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: remain anonymous. So I just give him like a brief
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: rundown of pretty much everything that's happened at my home
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: to me and my little brother and my sister.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Have you ever been sex abused?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: No, just weirdly sexual things, not like ray or anything
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: When you say weirdly sexual things, what happened?
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: Well, he would manage like my body weight, and he
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: when my boyfriend came to my house, he asked my
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: boyfriend why he got with me because I don't.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Have a good body, okay, And I just.
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: Was sitting on his lap and telling me about how
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: much virgins are worth. Those were just and he it's
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: just always just things about my weight, and he would
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: just shame me for it and just things like that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, aren't you five five, one hundred and twenty pounds?
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: I'm five six, probably like one ten.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Now, how are you living and eating and surviving?
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Well?
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: Even though I'm a kid, I've had to live as
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: an adult. I have I'm very mature. I have a mindset.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not dumb, that's for sure. And I've just been
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: getting along by the money that we already had, and
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: we've been doing jobs for people like breaking leaves and
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: we unloaded a U haul which we made one hundred
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: and sixty dollars from that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Time.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: The day that you decided to go all the run
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: with Jonathan, I know you're saying your dad called you
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: at school and confronted you about possible drug use, which
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you deny. You say he told you he was going
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: to make your wife miserable. So what did you decide
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: to do?
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: I decided to put an end to everything that's happened
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: to me. I've had enough. That was my last string,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: and I want to live a normal life as a
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: normal teenager, and I never got that, so that is
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: what I'm pushing towards. So I told the counselor. The
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: counselor told me, let's go to the office. We'll get
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: the cops down here and everything. And the cops told
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: me when I was there, I showed them pictures and
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: things of abuse that he did to my sister because
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: he would like go through my phone all the time,
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: so it's really really hard for me to get evidence.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: And he told me that if I had stuff on
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: my phone like that that he would just make everything
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: miserable and awful, and I don't really know what that
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: means like exactly, So I wasn't about to find out
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: what is.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: The abase on your sister that you had on your phone.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: My sister was standing up for herself because my parents
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: were just shaming her and down talking to her because
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: telling her that she's just never going to be anything
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: in her life and that she's just worthless. So my
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: sister was standing up for herself and my dad, and
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: she wanted to go downstairs to calm down. And my
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: sister is a very religious person, and so she finds
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: herself like calm down when she reads the Bible. So
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: she was going to go downstairs just to calm down
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: to her room to read the Bible, and my parents
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: proceeded to go downstairs attack my sister. My sister was
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: obviously not just couldn't let that happened, so she tried
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: to fight back a little bit, but then my dad
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: grabbed her, dragged her up the stairs, and put his
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: hand over her mouth, and she was screaming and like
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: she was saying that she couldn't breathe very well, and
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: my dad just wasn't listening and continued to drag her
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: upstairs and threw her on them floor and they just
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: they started screaming and yelling and watch the hitting was
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: going on.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: With that, and you have a video of that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: I only have. I had my friend over at the time,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: and we were just my dad wouldn't let me, like
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: let us come out of the room, so we were
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: just sitting in my room. So we took like videos
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: in my room so you can hear what's going on,
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: and you can hear my sister screaming and banging around.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: And then we have pictures of like what she looked
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: like after What did she look like? Her face was
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: all beat up and puffy, and she had my dad's
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: hand marks all over her.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: She her face was like it was bruised on her
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: cheek a little bit. You could see nail marks on
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: her arms.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: So that day, when you decide to leave, why.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: Did you the cops?
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: When I was there, they told me that for that
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: night I could find a safe spot to stay, like
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: at a friend's house. But then they proceeded that night
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: to hunt me down like I was a criminal, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: they told me that they were going to detain me
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: and that I should just go home get abused and
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: then come back.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Why would they want you to go home and get
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: abused and come back.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Because they told me that I just didn't have enough
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: evidence and that they couldn't do anything.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: So what did you do?
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: I was gonna go stay at my friend's house for
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the night, but then the cops were trying to come
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: to her house. So then that night I was just
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: hiding everywhere, laying down in bushes. At one point, the
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: cops and my dad were right next to me, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: I had to get up and run, and I managed
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: to get away where they didn't see me, and then
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: me and John. My dad had told Jonathan that he
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: was going to shoot him and kill him and send
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: him to jail and was just saying awful things. So
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: out of fear for both of us, we both decided
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: to leave and just drive away.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I understood that one of the school counselors told you
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to slip out the back and you did.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, that is one hundred percent true. But
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: the cop, the cops told like the school and everything
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: like they said, it was all okay. And when my
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: mom was at the school, Jonathan went outside to talk
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: to my mom, and my mom had said that my
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: dad hadn't done anything to me since I was nine,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: which right in front of the cops, So that alone
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: should be enough.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: You made the incident where you were dragged on gravel. Yeah,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: so did you slip out the door? Pursue it? To
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: what the school counselor.
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Said, I I slipped out the back door and I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: got picked up on my friend. And I didn't think
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: that I would be doing everything that I am now,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: of course, but I was planning on just at least.
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I just need a new home, that's all. That's all
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: I was trying to do is find somewhere that I
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: can go.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: When you say a friend picked you up, was it Jonathan?
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: No, Jonathan did not come with me.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: When did you and Jonathan reunite?
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: When Jonathan told me that he was scared and that
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: my dad was chasing him through the woods and Jonathan
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: had lost his shoes and was running barefoot in the
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: woods and it was cold and everything like that, so
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: we came and me and my friend went and got him,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: and then he because he was cold, freezing, terrified that
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: he was going to get shot or something by my dad.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: How did that whole thing happen? How did it end
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: up that Jonathan. From what I understand, Jonathan says he
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: was running through the woods afraid he was going to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: be shot. How did that whole thing happened?
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I wasn't there, but I'll let Jonathan tell you.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, Jonathan, how did that happen?
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: Okay? So, whenever I was making my way down to
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: my vehicle to leave the school and to just go
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: to a different town, away from Penny, away from Penny's
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: dad and everything, I was walking down to my car
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: with a group of people, and Penny's mom was sitting
• 36:50
  Speaker 7: down there, in which I was totally fine with Penny's
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: mom and everything. She's usually not too too bad, but
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: she usually holds a handgun on her. That's why I
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: had a group of people with me, just so it's safer.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Way who holds Oh, she has a handgun on her. Okay,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: go ahead, yep.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: And then as I was proceeding down to my vehicle,
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: then Ryan pulled up and they were surrounding my vehicle
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: and everything. And then when I was down there, Ryan
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: spotted me right right up the hill from where they
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: were at and he yelled that he was gonna shoot me.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: I sprinted straight to the police officers which were behind
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: the school, because I just had talked to them and
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: they were behind the school, so I went and imported
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: them that Ryan said this, and then they went down
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: to Ryan and asked him if he said that, and
• 37:36
  Speaker 7: Ryan simply just said no. And then they were like, well,
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: Ryan's a no, And they searched Ryan and he didn't
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: have any handgun on him, but they did not search
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: a Jessica or anything. And Ryan usually has a pocket
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: knife on him and everything. And while while the police
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: were down there, then I went back towards that way
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: with my group of friends and everything, and Ryan spotted
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: me and he chased on somebody else. But as he
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: was chasing my friend down, as he thought it was me,
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: then he said you better run, motherfucker. I'm gonna get you.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: And I ran to the forest and I was running
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: through creeks and everything, cold water, mud, you name it,
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: every everything, and then I heard a bunch of dogs barking.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: And that's whenever I texted my mom that I was
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: scared because I thought that they had k nines after me,
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: and I was hiding out in a bush for a
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: long time. Penny was two towns over and I was
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: texting here. I was like, I'm freezing cold. I don't
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: know who the text. Can you guys please come pick
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: me up and at least bring me somewhere so that
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: I'm warm, And they come came and picked me up.
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: And whenever Penny I were together, then I tried to
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: escalate Ryan a little bit by texting him and everything,
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: but he's just uncom So was.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: That the incident where you're running through the woods barefoot
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and Penny's dad is chasing you with a gun. Were
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you running through the woods barefoot?
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Where were your shoes?
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: It's somewhere by the school. I tried to find them
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: before I started running again while the police were down
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: with Ryan, but I couldn't find.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Why did you take your shoes off?
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: Whenever I first started running from Ryan, they just flew off.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I had hey dudes on Okay.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: So was he in fact chasing you? Or do you
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: did you think that because you heard dog sparks?
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: So he was going to proceed to chase me, but
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: he chased down one of my friends that were like
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: around the same, same hairstyle and everything. Okay, And he
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: also texted us how Ryan chased him down. So he
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: chased down the wrong person. So yes, he would have
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: chased me through the woods if he chased down their
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: correct person.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you thought he was chasing it and he
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: had really chased your friend. Yes, okay, got it. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: then hearing the dogs only exacerbated that thought in your
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: mind that you were being chased by him and you
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: feared he had a gun. Okay, I understand that. So
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: what happened Penny actually is apprehended by authorities, and then
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: somehow she doesn't want to go home, she doesn't want
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you to be prosecuted, and she slips away by saying
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: she's going to the bathroom.
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: What happened whenever Penny and I got there, then she
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: was planning on going to one of her uncles, which
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: she barely knew, and from what I picked up about
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: him living out Penny's household, that he wasn't like the best,
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: best person. So then I told Penny that it wasn't
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: safe and everything, that it's just not like a good idea,
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: and Penny told me that like she was uncomfortable, way
• 40:59
  Speaker 7: before I even said anything about that tour and Penny
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: and I both went into the building and I told
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: the guy that Penny was going to the bathroom, and
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: then him and I went to his office and then
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: he went to the bathroom. And that's whenever I went
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: like tours the back door, but Penny was at the
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: back door, and then she was like, we need to leave.
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: I don't feel safe. I feel like I'm going to
• 41:22
  Speaker 7: go home. And then she opened up the door, ran
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: to my vehicle and she said, get me out of
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: here right now. And that's when ever we left Nevada.
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: We got out of Nevada and went to Arizona and
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: got out of Nevada.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask you where you are. I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: told Penny's father, I don't know where you are, but
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I do. Can Penny hear me right now? Okay, I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: do want you to hear what her dad said. Her
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: dad is not on with us right now, but he
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: spoke to me earlier. Could you please play cut three?
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Just come home, sweetheart, wherever you're at, just we'll come
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: get you. We'll get on an airplanes, come get you
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: and come home, and it we'll continue on his life.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be some hard decisions that have to be made,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: but we love you and we're here for you. To
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: help you make them and just come home. You got
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: to come home, sweetheart.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I believe that Peenie is concerned, Jonathan, that you're going
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: to be prosecuted. You turned eighteen and she's fifteen. I'm
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: not entirely sure that you could be protected under the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Romeo Juliet law because you guys ages are very close together.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Lisa Herrick on that, but
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I want you to hear Peenie what your dad says.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Income one. If you think you can get Pennie to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: come home, if you ask for no charges, would you
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: do it? Penny? Sit tight, Jonathan, hold on. I want
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you to hear from Lisa Herrick, a juvenile lawyer. Lisa,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: would Romeo and Juliette statutes protect Jonathan from being prosecuted?
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: My understanding is yes, Nancy. Every Romeo and Juliette defense
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: that I've ever seen is usually within three years. Unless
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: I'm getting their birthdays wrong. It sounds like she was
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: already fifteen before he turned eighteen, so they would be
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: within three years of each other, and the Romeo and
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: Juliet laws should apply.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: There will be no well, I'm not sure what there
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: will be, but there could be claims of statutory rape.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: There could be claims of kidnapping. There could be claims
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: of taking a juvenile across state lines. Those are the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: charges that I see now from my viewpoint. To prosecute
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: a rape charge, Penny would have to testify that sex occurred,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: as far as a kidnapping or a transporting child across
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: state lines. That could be proven with or without Peni's
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: testimony that said a Romeo and Juliet Statute might still
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: protect him. Penny, if you thought Jonathan was not going
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: to be prosecuted, would you go back home.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: I'm never going back to my home ever, not once,
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: and once I'm eighteen. I do not plan to speak
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: to my parents ever again with me.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Also is Wayne Stockhel. This is Jonathan's dad. Mister Stockhol,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Mister Stockhel had a
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: long talk with Penny's dad, who says that he did
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: send those texts and that he wished she had never
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: done it. I'm sure he does wish she had never
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: done it. I feel that a big problem to resolving
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: this is everything that's happened between you and Penny's dad.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Would you be willing to work together to I don't
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: know that she's ever going to go back to her parents' home.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever going to happen. Would you
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: still be willing to work with him at this juncture?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Because they can't stay on the run forever. At some point,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Penny is going to be found.
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: I hope this all ends today. I hope that some
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: legal experts help these two kids. They were scared for
• 45:44
  Speaker 9: their lives. They're still I don't see how you can
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: be prosecuted when somebody's going to kill you and you run.
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: It just seems crazy. This is like a nightmare that's unbelievable.
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: Just help the kid.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I have to agree with you. I have to
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: agree with you. Jonathan is in fear of his life,
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: whether we think he was or he wasn't at the time.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: If he's in fear of his life and a judge
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: is granted a protective order in your favor that goes
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: to corroborate his fear, it's not just him. Other people
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: are concerned as well. I just don't want to see
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: them throw away their lives, and in.
• 46:24
  Speaker 9: The end, if me too, I just want the whole
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: thing to know. They need to stop being on the
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: run today. This whole thing needs to end today.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Penny, would you be willing with a lawyer present for
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: you to speak to police.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: The only thing is, out of everything I've told the police,
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: I just need a one hundred percent guarantee that I'm
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: not going back to my god awful homes.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Because Barry Golden joining me Senior Inspector US Marshall survey
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: now at Golden consulting Mary A us Marshall. They're going
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: to find Penny and Jonathan. It's a matter of time,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and I don't want them to pull a full on
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Romeo and Juliet where they both end up dead. They're
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: gonna be found. So can you explain to Penny and
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Jonathan it may be today. I'm not revealing anything I know,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: we don't know anything. We don't know where they are.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But one day, it could be today, next week, next month.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: They are going to find them, and the only thing
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: they can do right now is to cooperate because once
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: they get found and carted off to two different facilities,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it's going to be out of their control. At least
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: maybe now, with the help of a lawyer, it can
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: be sorted out. Do you agree with that, Barry Golden.
• 48:01
  Speaker 10: Yes, I do, Nancy, and you know, and Penny's assistance
• 48:06
  Speaker 10: and defense. She could also use the guardian that light
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: them in Oregon to help fight her case, to speak
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: for her there. But yes, the longer this plays out,
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: you don't want the police and law enforcement in Oregon
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: to be frustrated and pushed to the point where they
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: issue a warrant for Jonathan, because then if they're stopped
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: again like they were in Nevada last Friday, the police
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: aren't just going to let Jonathan go. It may take
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: him into custody. And that's what we don't want. We
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: don't want them to be separated. We don't want Penny
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: to be visiting Jonathan in a jail cell or talking
• 48:41
  Speaker 10: to him through flexiglass on the phone. We want this
• 48:43
  Speaker 10: to be a happy ending and not a sad one.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: But Lisa, do you hear with me, attorney Lisa Herrett
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: who's juvenile lawyer? I know you hear, Barry Golden, Lisa,
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: what can they do? Look, this is what they want.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Both parents want them home safe, both parents, that's what
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: They'm safe. I don't know if they're ever going to
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: be at home again. But that said, Penny does not
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: want Jonathan prosecuted. She's not giving up until there's some
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: assurance that's not going to happen. Now here's the thing.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be up to Jonathan's family, is
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: not going to be up to Penny's family. It's going
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: to be a prosecutor that makes that decision.
• 49:23
  Speaker 8: What can they do exactly, so it is going to
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: be a prosecutor who makes that decision. What they want
• 49:29
  Speaker 8: to do is not give a prosecutor any reason to
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: find them less sympathetic. They're very sympathetic right now. They're
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: a young couple in love. They're fearful. It sounds like
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: Penny has She's able to articulate very good reasons for
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: why she's fearful. What we don't want to do is
• 49:47
  Speaker 8: have them continue to run where now the police and
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: the prosecutors think they're their only option is to pursue
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: criminal charges, because that's the only way to get them
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: to come back, is to arrest them. That's the only
• 49:59
  Speaker 8: way to ensure that they're not going to run away again.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Penny, way in, do you fear that you will be
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: harmed if you go home?
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Yes, I'm doing everything i can to not go home.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: If I come back, I need if I come out
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: from running, I need one hundred percent guarantee that I'm
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: not going home, and if I get put back home,
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: I will just leave again.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Blaize Gomez joining me from News twelve Blaze. Do you
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: believe that there are charges already in the works against.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: Jonathan Well that we don't know?
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately, we've not heard from authorities in Oregon. We've reached
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: out multiple times. The only contact we've had with law
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: enforcement is the nine County Sheriff's Office in Nevada. They
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: were the departments that made contact with them over the
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: weekend when Penny escaped from child welfare.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Right So, as of right now out no knowledge of
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: any pending charges. Doctor Bethany Marshall with me Psychoanalysts joining
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: us at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Bethany quickly, what is
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: your advice to Penny and what is your advice to Jonathan?
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: My advice to them is to find adults in their
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: lives who believe them, who can provide a safe place
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: for them, who can validate what they've gone through. They've
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: gone through a lot.
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: They know the people who are safe versus the people
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: who are not safe.
• 51:28
  Speaker 9: The Oregon Please said, anybody helps them, they will be prosecuting.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you one person they wouldn't prosecute,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: and that's a lawyer. All right. Yes, this is how
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I see and anybody on the palel jump in. Both
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: parents want them safe. They don't want them quote out there.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: That's the number one concern.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: My dad wants me to come home to sweep the
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: floors for him. He does not want me safe. He
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: wants me to come home so he can sit there
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: and tell me how worthless I am for me to
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: just clean his house and cook his suit.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Number two. I believe Penny will not come home until
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: she believes that Jonathan is not going to be prosecuted,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and that will That will depend entirely on her testimony
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: to Lisa Herrick. Isn't it true if even though she's
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: a miner, if Penny went willingly anywhere, that's not going
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: to be kidnapped.
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: Well, so she's since she's underage, she doesn't have the
• 52:31
  Speaker 8: right to run away. She's still a child, and true,
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: she doesn't have the right to run away.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: So I guess let me rephrase my question, Lisa, do
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: you believe any jury would ever convict if Penny went willingly,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: absolutely not.
• 52:45
  Speaker 8: I can't see it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: With her boyfriend.
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because we're both running for our lives. We're not
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: just runaways, we're not just missing people. We're not just
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: your casual Oh. We're running away because we love each other.
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, if we are separated, we're separated, that's fine.
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: But if one of us gets separated and then a
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: week from now one of us are dead, then that's
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: totally different type of separation. That's never going to be
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: able to see each other again because one of us
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: are dead, and then from us not fighting enough running away,
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: then we're gonna be at guilt. One of us, Penny
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: or I am are gonna be at guilt. One of
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: us will be abused or dead or killed or harmed severely.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: That is exactly what we don't want to happen. I'm
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: looking forward to how we can fix this. The only
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: way that I can think of how to fix this
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: now is for Penny and Jonathan to speak to a
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: lawyer in that jurisdiction. They can give them some sort
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: of guidance. You don't want them picked up by law
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: enforcement and put into different juvenile correction facilities and a
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: full on adult facility with general population. For Jonathan, you
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: need to work this out before that happens. They have
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: to turn themselves in or that's what's gonna happen. So
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: what you need is a lawyer to guide you to
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: protect them. I'm gonna find you one, but for right now,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: I know that Penny and Jonathan are in touch with you. Wayne,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. You've got to help them
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: see a lawyer. I'm gonna help you find one. Penny, Jonathan,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: please consider what we have said. I know, Penny you
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: never want to go back home. I understand that no
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: one's saying you have to, but you cannot be on
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: the run the rest of your life. To Wayne, to Penny,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: and to Jonathan, our prayers and our guidance or what
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: we're offering you now. We wait as the sun falls