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Teresa or Melissa: Who STAYS? RHONJ EXCLUSIVE · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops. On the SAME's episode of Reality King,
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  Speaker 1: we have to discuss the end of an error, not
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  Speaker 1: the end of an era, my sweet darlings.
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  Speaker 2: It's the end of an error, because I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: why we did not get a reunion like that Off
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  Speaker 2: the World special was.
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  Speaker 1: Not off the chain.
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  Speaker 2: It was office Rocker and I want to like hop
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  Speaker 2: off of this train that I was on watching that
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  Speaker 2: one hour. But I have a special guest because I
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  Speaker 2: could not do this episode alone because we have to
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  Speaker 2: debate like the new cast for next season, and I
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  Speaker 2: want somebody who I know is going to disagree with
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  Speaker 2: me and have his own opinion.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna beak for a great conversation.
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  Speaker 2: So give it up for the lovely entertainment journalist reporter.
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  Speaker 2: In addition to podcast host Gibson.
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  Speaker 3: John's Carlos always a pleasure you on my show. I
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  Speaker 3: was on your show before that. We're just kind of
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  Speaker 3: we're going back and forth, and I like, again, we
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  Speaker 3: do disagree with one another a good amount, but it's
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  Speaker 3: a cordial disagreement and that's what we love.
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  Speaker 2: So absolutely absolutely, it's very cordial, which is how things
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  Speaker 2: should be. So let's get right into it. That Off
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  Speaker 2: the Rail special was a waste of my time. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just listen. My audience knows. I keep it straight, no chaser.
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  Speaker 2: It was a waste of time. I do not understand
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  Speaker 2: for the life of me why there could not be
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  Speaker 2: a reunion because the finale, to me, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: one of the most epic finales Jersey had so but
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't that bad to where I felt like the
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  Speaker 2: cast could not address each other and even if they
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  Speaker 2: just don't ever be friends again. I felt like we
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  Speaker 2: were robbed of not having what could have been essentially
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  Speaker 2: gibson a ratings the epic reunion that could have matched
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  Speaker 2: last season's epic three part reunion, which I like to
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  Speaker 2: call it was the Teresa Versus Melissa show, and I
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  Speaker 2: was here for it.
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  Speaker 1: But let me hear from you. What did you think
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  Speaker 1: about the Off the Rails special.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had kept on saying, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: audience will see, they'll understand why we couldn't do reunion.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that that has fully connected. I have
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  Speaker 3: to say, and you know, let's just say we're accepting
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  Speaker 3: the fact we got this Off the Rails reunion. It's
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  Speaker 3: a watch party whatever. Even it was just too unstructured
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  Speaker 3: for me. If it felt like people people have been comparent,
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  Speaker 3: like for the people's couch, and that's kind of what
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  Speaker 3: it was like, like an all star episode of that.
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  Speaker 3: I just felt like, if we're gonna keep them in
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  Speaker 3: separate rooms, I guess that was just sort of the
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  Speaker 3: m like they can't be in the physically in the
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  Speaker 3: same space, at least have a producer in there who's
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  Speaker 3: prodding them with questions and kind of you know, instigating
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  Speaker 3: the conversation. There were more like there were still things
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  Speaker 3: that are left on the table in that regard to
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  Speaker 3: so it just kind of felt like if we're not
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  Speaker 3: even gonna do that, Like nobody really wanted to like
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  Speaker 3: relive the finale, the just that be it, and that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of other than a couple of moments I found interesting,
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  Speaker 3: that was kind of what we got.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could not agree more.
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  Speaker 2: I just felt like, honey, I could go on YouTube
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  Speaker 2: and watch people rewatch the reunion. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: see my girls getting dalled up. They all look gorgeous.
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  Speaker 2: All of them looked beautiful. I love the looks too.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't need to see a watch.
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  Speaker 2: Party, Like I can go over my gaze house and
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  Speaker 2: and and and watch it with them over and over again,
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  Speaker 2: which is what I do, And it would have been
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  Speaker 2: more satisfying than seeing my girls have to watch a
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  Speaker 2: plasma screen from office depot in a restaurant where they
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  Speaker 2: want us upstairs the others down downstairs. So for me,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, this entire season was about the vision
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  Speaker 2: and the last thing I wanted was to see a
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  Speaker 2: continuation of divide I felt like the only thing that us,
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  Speaker 2: the audience wanted, was like, Okay, let's have them all
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  Speaker 2: in the same room. Let's have them all address each other,
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  Speaker 2: Let's have them all talk about where things went wrong,
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  Speaker 2: and then see at least a satisfying finale of some
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  Speaker 2: sorts of Like, you know what, I least like the
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  Speaker 2: fact that I saw you girls address each other for
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  Speaker 2: the last time, and I wish you all best in
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  Speaker 2: your future endeavors, which is what I've said to all
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  Speaker 2: my ex boyfriends.
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  Speaker 1: So gibsid like, yeah, what what are we doing it?
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  Speaker 3: It's also just like you think back to past moments
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  Speaker 3: when people have shown up to reunions that would have
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  Speaker 3: been that revery difficult to show up too, Like even
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  Speaker 3: just last year, Ariano Maatic showing up to that reunion
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  Speaker 3: and facing off with rock Hell and Tom like that
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  Speaker 3: was fucking hard for her to do, and she did
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  Speaker 3: it and we got a fantastic reunion out of that.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody came to blows, nobody whatever, And like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if that's Do you think it was like them
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  Speaker 3: being scared of the things were going to get physical again?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think it was just like they were throwing
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  Speaker 3: in the towel, there was going to be no resolution,
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  Speaker 3: Like I don't fully understand that. I don't fully understand
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  Speaker 3: the reasoning still because I don't know, And it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: just about Teresa Melissa. There were so many other dynamics
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  Speaker 3: that I wanted resolution on. I wanted I wanted Jackie
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  Speaker 3: and Teresa talk out, like, you know, Jackie reacting Teresa
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  Speaker 3: saying that she was initially using her to get intel
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  Speaker 3: on March. I wanted Delores and Margaret to really hash
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  Speaker 3: out watching that fight back and what they were saying
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  Speaker 3: in the confessionals about that fight. I wanted to see obviously,
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to see Jen and Danielle still still kind
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  Speaker 3: of chat through some of that stuff, Like there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot there. It's more than just this family fight. It's
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  Speaker 3: way this season gave us a lot more in terms
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  Speaker 3: of the different dynamics than the group, and now we're
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  Speaker 3: just sort of like left shrugging and thinking they'll just
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  Speaker 3: none of them will ever repair anything. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think the reason why this special happened
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  Speaker 2: is because we all know where we were when OJ
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  Speaker 2: drove the White Bronco.
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  Speaker 1: We all know where we were.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, like there's Mama's in history that would be like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, American history books.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing in American history books is.
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  Speaker 2: We all know where we were when Beyonce dropped a
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  Speaker 2: surprise album, you know, and we all know where we
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  Speaker 2: were when Ashley LaRita pulled pulled Daniel's hair at the
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  Speaker 2: country club and right right.
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  Speaker 3: Up there with the Bronco and Beyonce's surprise album exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, ladies, gentlemen day Officeport and Center
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  Speaker 2: as Ashley put Daniel's hair. Okay, so we also know
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  Speaker 2: where we were when we learned that the Real House
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  Speaker 2: washs New Jersey, we're not going to have a traditional reunion.
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  Speaker 1: And at that time, it may have.
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  Speaker 2: Been maybe five episodes that aired, so we already knew
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  Speaker 2: that this season was divide. I believe that the network,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, probably felt that the show is showing
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  Speaker 2: that they don't like each other. On top of that,
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  Speaker 2: it was a lot of mess happening on social media.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, I.
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  Speaker 2: Want to say either three to five business days before
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  Speaker 2: they announced that it was not going to be a
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  Speaker 2: traditional reunion. It's when it was revealed that Jennifer Aiden
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  Speaker 2: allegedly was giving bloggers screening some episodes and having a
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  Speaker 2: relationship with them where she allegedly was feeding them information
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  Speaker 2: to blog against her opponents. So I think all of
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  Speaker 2: that was like, you know what, this is getting very dark.
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  Speaker 2: To your point, Gibson, you have to talk about it
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  Speaker 2: and address it. Although Andy did ask Jennifer Aiden those
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  Speaker 2: questions on Watch What Happens Live, and I thought she
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  Speaker 2: did a good job dancing around, I'm sorry, I thought
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  Speaker 2: she did a good job answering the question.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think. I thought. I thought that she had
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  Speaker 3: time to repair for that question and she knew she
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  Speaker 3: was going to get that question, and I don't I
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  Speaker 3: don't think she actually answered it very well at all.
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  Speaker 2: Personally, I was joking Gifts, That's why I said, dancing around.
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  Speaker 3: First, I agree with you, I'm gladly I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna need to explain.
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  Speaker 2: That no, no, no, yeah, I was a big silly no.
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  Speaker 2: It was obvious, yeah, mistic and I loved you it,
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  Speaker 2: But it was obvious she had enough time to prepare
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  Speaker 2: for an answer. So I do think those were the
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  Speaker 2: reasons why it happened. But still I just felt like, honest,
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  Speaker 2: what they want, we don't give a shit about that.
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  Speaker 1: We want to see a reunion.
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  Speaker 2: So my question for you is this, they're watching the reunion,
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  Speaker 2: Jim Fessler comes in, and she doesn't embrace Danielle immediately
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  Speaker 2: or at all for that matter, till until you know,
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  Speaker 2: towards the end, and then Danielle pretty much tells Jen
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  Speaker 2: Fessler that, look, now that you saw the whole season,
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  Speaker 2: you were riding for Jennifer Aiden, your team Jennifer Aiden,
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  Speaker 2: and Fessler was very defensive.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing? I just walked in, you
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  Speaker 1: have all this energy.
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  Speaker 2: They ultimately made a mind because Jim Fesler said, look,
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  Speaker 2: after watching the season, I was wrong. I should have
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  Speaker 2: been on your side, not Jance. I'm sorry, and they
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  Speaker 2: made up.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think Jim Fesler was trying to get on
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  Speaker 1: the right team in her mind because I thought she
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  Speaker 1: was similar to Dolores in the sense of playing in Switzerland,
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  Speaker 1: and I was surprised that she did not even want
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  Speaker 1: to go into the other room.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say I was. I'm been a little
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  Speaker 3: bit disappointed by Jenfesto. The last two episode of this
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  Speaker 3: season one her walking out of that brunch that she
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  Speaker 3: helped organize with Dolores. She walked out. I thought way
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  Speaker 3: too prematurely. I understand in real life, if somebody's in
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  Speaker 3: a glass, yeah, you'd probably leave lunch, But on a
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  Speaker 3: house live show to bow out at that moment, at
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  Speaker 3: that juncture, felt like she, as Delora said, maybe she's
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  Speaker 3: not built for this. Because I at the beginning of
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  Speaker 3: the season, Carlos, I was like, so on the Fessler
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  Speaker 3: friend of to Full Time Train, I was like, Fessler
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  Speaker 3: is so watchable, she can play both sides whatever. But
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the season, she's kind of dropped
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  Speaker 3: the ball and kind of shown that she's more conflict
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  Speaker 3: avoidant than kind of addressing and kind of willing to
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  Speaker 3: address conflict head on like this. So it's like the
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  Speaker 3: fact that she because she also said that one of
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  Speaker 3: the reasons why she hasn't spoken to the Teresa Gen
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  Speaker 3: it's because she saw all the screenshots that were floating
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  Speaker 3: around of them allegedly talking to bloggers, and that to
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  Speaker 3: a point of her, she saw it in black and white,
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  Speaker 3: and she didn't want to ask any questions. But why
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  Speaker 3: did she not want to ask any questions? You know,
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  Speaker 3: why didn't she confront them about it? Why didn't she
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  Speaker 3: ask them about it? That's another thing we could have
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  Speaker 3: seen on this watch party. Send gen Fessler downstairs and
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  Speaker 3: have her ask about the screenshots, or have them talk
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  Speaker 3: about the reason why they haven't spoken for five months
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  Speaker 3: or however long it's been. So I didn't love that either,
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  Speaker 3: and I was surprised by it.
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  Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I listen. I think Jenfesler is a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful woman inside and out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, And that's where it is for me.
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  Speaker 3: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: I would not cast a Jenfessler for any of my shows.
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  Speaker 3: It is it for that reason? Or what else do
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  Speaker 3: you see in her that you don't know?
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  Speaker 1: What it is? Is this?
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  Speaker 2: When you decide to get on reality television, you're signing
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  Speaker 2: up to really have tough conversations when things present itself.
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  Speaker 2: That is tough, right. It's all about the intention. And
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: she's not a bad person, so let's make that very clear.
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  Speaker 2: She's a beautiful woman. I don't think she has what
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  Speaker 2: it takes to be on a reality show, let alone
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  Speaker 2: The Real Housewives of New Jersey. Yeah, yeah, like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like if you wanted to be on you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know Christina's Coast that's on AGTV, Like.
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  Speaker 4: Christina's Coast, they're like, okay, girl signed up to do
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  Speaker 4: real estate.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather see you on selling the OC.
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  Speaker 3: She's a watchable woman that maybe not built for housewives
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  Speaker 3: watchable right, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Not especially New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, I felt like
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  Speaker 2: the moment she left that dinner in the in the finale,
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  Speaker 2: that season finale, it was like, these girls don't leave
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  Speaker 2: rooms because the glass was broken. If anything, They're like
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Aiden, Yeah, They're like, oh yeah, bring it on
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  Speaker 2: and bring her back in the room, like she can stay.
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  Speaker 1: This is what we do.
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  Speaker 2: We break bread and dishes right, shut out to Rihanna,
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  Speaker 2: do here right Yeah. So to me, she displayed a
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  Speaker 2: cowardice behavior by not even entering the room with Teresa, Aiden,
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  Speaker 2: and Jackie, Like what's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: Like, and this is no shame because I love all
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  Speaker 1: the girls.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, Jennifer, Teresa, and Jackie
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  Speaker 2: plus Dolores, they did not throw a glass picture allegedly
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  Speaker 2: or any utensils, Like.
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  Speaker 1: You're pretty safe, y Fessler. So I thought Fessler was
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  Speaker 1: being a faker, and.
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  Speaker 3: She's and she's also friends with Dolores and Jackie who
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  Speaker 3: are in that room, and so It's not like you
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  Speaker 3: would have no backup for people sort of mediating some
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  Speaker 3: of that interaction, you know what I mean. So yeah, again,
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  Speaker 3: it was just it was just this watch party thing.
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  Speaker 3: There needed to be a little bit more of a
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  Speaker 3: producer hand at play, like pushing things to happen or
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  Speaker 3: pushing things to be talked about. It was to me
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  Speaker 3: it was just a little bit too unstructured, and that
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  Speaker 3: it made it to be pretty fairly uneventful watch end
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  Speaker 3: of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what was eventful watching? Because I know a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are like Carlos your team Teresa and I made.
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  Speaker 1: I made no qualms about the.
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  Speaker 2: Fact that she's my good friend, I love her, we
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  Speaker 2: have history, and I'm always gonna write for Teresa.
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  Speaker 1: However, I will always be on the side of truth.
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  Speaker 2: If Teresa does anything I disagree with, just like I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: disagree with Louie making the state yes about I hope
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  Speaker 2: your son suffers. And I said on my podcast last
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: week before he apologized, I said that was wrong. I
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  Speaker 2: do not like it, and I'm hoping he apologized him
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: because that is not okay. I stood on business. So
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: they're watching this finale for the first time and.
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  Speaker 1: They see the moment where Louie does say.
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  Speaker 2: I hope your son suffers obviously, you know, right and
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  Speaker 2: listen rightfully. So you know, Margaret was not happy with it,
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  Speaker 2: and she should not have been because at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, she's a parent and to hear someone
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  Speaker 2: single out your son is not okay and saying he suffers,
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  Speaker 2: like that's that's not okay. And Louis did apologize for it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm glad he did. Dolores, who I'm like, Delores.
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  Speaker 3: Is cars is carrying.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get to that in a second, because we will.
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  Speaker 2: Delores is welcome, yeah, right, like welcome, honey, you're in
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  Speaker 2: the game. So Dolores is like immediately it was like, nope,
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  Speaker 2: don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: You know he's going to get rid for that. Not okay,
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  Speaker 1: I don't stand by it.
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  Speaker 2: And hunty bunny, so Reesa Judais was like, what do
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  Speaker 2: you mean, Like she didn't my kids suffered, and it's
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  Speaker 2: like that's not the same, and you know that's what
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  Speaker 2: de Laura's was saying to her life.
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  Speaker 1: It is not the same.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like no, And Teresa got an attitude. So
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  Speaker 2: what did you think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Whole exchange between Teresa and Dolores.
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  Speaker 3: Oh. I thought it was great, and I think Dolores
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  Speaker 3: has leaned into this role of Switzerland, but in this season,
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  Speaker 3: I felt that she was able to like let both
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  Speaker 3: sides hear it in different ways and give some hard truths.
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  Speaker 3: And this is very indicative of that, I do think.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, she brought up, you know, my son, She
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: brought up Frankie Junior, and something clearly happened there. They
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  Speaker 3: flashed back to the reunion last year when he was
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  Speaker 3: brought up, and she didn't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: I think Dolores is sort of helping Louis and Teresa
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  Speaker 3: in that way by not getting into that and she
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to rehash her son's drama whatever. I have
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  Speaker 3: no idea what that situation is, but you know.
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  Speaker 2: She don't either for the rectors on those people, I
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  Speaker 2: have no idea it.
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  Speaker 1: Just nor have I asked.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just very clear that like something happened there
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  Speaker 3: and they just don't want it to be brought to
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  Speaker 3: the public, which I think is like best for all involved, probably,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: But I loved Laura's taking it to her and I
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: thought it was really interesting that Teresa didn't even initially
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: clock that anything was wrong with what Louis said to
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: be honest, and yeah, I do think there's a difference
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: between actively expressing ill will on somebody's child, whether they're
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: an adult or not, and somebody's child on housewives being
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: affected by something in their parents' lives being brought up,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: which is I've seen online people kind of compare the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Aiden affair or Abillidon's affair on Jennifer being brought
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: up a couple of seasons ago and how that affected
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: her children, which I have immense empathy for, and like
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: that was obviously very tough, but like, by going on
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: a housewives show with skeletons in your closet, you're risking
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: those coming out of coming out and and affecting your
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: family again, you know, And that's different from actively expressing
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: ill will on somebody. I just think that those aren't
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: really comparable. But yeah, circling back to Dolores, I just
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I was impressed by her because Teresa is not an
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: easy person to go up against and we haven't seen
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Dolores do it that often, but it but for her
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: to I think she showed that she is a good
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: friend to Margaret and I actually think she showed she's
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: a good friend to Teresa by doing that bye bye,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: by not being a yes person in that moment and
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: being like no, like this is not okay. And Teresa
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: actually ended up hearing it, which I think was great.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say that too. Delores is Teresa's real friend. No,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: not saying, not saying that others aren't. But for Dolores
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: to stand on this side of right is what Teresa
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: appreciates about her friend. Because again, there's there's some not
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: all Gibson. There are some people who may leave a
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: comment Karlos up to Teresa's as you're all her payroll.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: And I get and I get the opposite. I get
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: the opposite.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: So oh honey, that's why you're here too.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: No, And my thing is more so like the friendship
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I have with Teresa is I've always and I think
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: people need to understand this. I was her producer before
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: she became this global international superstar.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: So my.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Relationship with Teresa is I always told her my truth
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: and how I felt about things, even if she disagreed.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And because our relationship started that way and never dissipated,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I today can call Teresa today and say hey, I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: don't think that was okay, and she would receive it
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and say really, and I will explain it to her
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and she'll say, oh, I saill that to say rain drops,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that's what she gave Dolores. She immediately defended her husband
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: because she's a loyal wife and that's beautiful. But the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: moment Dolores was able to explain like, no, this is
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: why it was wrong. That's who Teresa is. Teresa somebody
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that needs to needs to take it all in first
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and then be like okay. And then Teresa said, all right,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you're right. I'll I'll have him apologize. He needs to apologize, right,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: and that and that to me, displayed Gibson like, this
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: is the show I want to watch. I want to
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: watch a show where somebody can stand up to a
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Teresa and and say no, that was wrong, and then
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Teresa ultimately saying, Okay, you're right.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: That's what we want to see. So I love that relationship.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Who I hate you interrupt, but stay tuned for more.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. The relationship between Margaret
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and Dolores is tricky to me, and I want to
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on that they're watching for the first
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: time the finale episode, and this is when Margaret tells
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the Lauris pretty much that she invited her to the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I'm calling it this guy's so leave me alone, the meeting.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: To take down Louie.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm calling it that, Okay, the Louis takedown, not at
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: a steakhouse, but they were gonna put a fork in him, honey,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and make him well done and not meet him well okay.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: So the Laura's reaction was so amazing, and it was
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: funny to see everybody react to it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: You and I did, GiB said.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: And even the Lauris looked a little bit This is
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: my opinion, the Laurus looked a little bit satisfied, like
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: see Teresa right, Melissa and Danielle and Rachel Feuda, who
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: I forgot?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Was there no Shay, Rachel? They all alive? Like wow.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Delores had a strong reaction, and that's when Margaret said,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: I think she did not want to Resea to think
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: she had anything any knowledge of it.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Settle.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: This wasn't for all, Gibson, Who do you believe, Margaret
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: or Delores?
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I kind of believe Margaret in this situation because when
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: she had the confessional after or in the initial scene
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: in the finale, and she was like, I what I'm
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: gonna say is I remember telling her she was at
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: lunch with Jennifer and Teresa. She had these details of
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: when she told her, and she had details of how
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Dolores responded to her inviting her as well. And I
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: don't think she's just I don't think she's making up
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: all those details. I don't do. I believe that it
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: might have been in passing and Dolores could have is
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: kind of she heard it, dismissed it, and doesn't remember it. Maybe,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: But I also believe that Dolores has probably been saying like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't know they were meeting. I didn't know they
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: were a meeting. And so it comes out that she
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: did know their meeting or she was invited to this meeting,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: then like that makes her look bad at Teresa. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: don't think that was like the active implication of Margaret
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: saying that, because it was a pretty in passing comment,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: no you're invited. Also, why is Frank Senior invited to
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: this meeting? But Delores wouldn't be invited to the meeting
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: there there there are there are things that make me
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: believe that Margaret did invite her, but I also believe
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: it was in passing. That's my that's my read on
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the situation.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So do you believe.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: That Delores catanyam hm was was giving you all her
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: best cappy based performance when she stood up and caught
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: her seat. Where, Like, was she acting or do you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: believe like she really did not remember?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think she was acting that. To me,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: that was a very genuine reaction, like she and they
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: were all like, I mean, even Teresa was like dlorus,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I've never seen me that mad before. So I think
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: that she thought that character was under assassination basically in
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: that moment. Do you think it was like a really
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: intense reaction to what was being talked about as they
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: all reacted in this watch party we saw. No, I
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: don't think she was acting. I just think that, like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I guess, as Margaret said, like they remember it differently,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: and I think that, Yeah, I mean, it's really it's
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: really an insane scene to watch, especially when you rewatch
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: it uncensored on Peacock. It was like when you when
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: you hear her say f ing C word, like without
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: being blurred, You're like, holy shit, and the veins popping
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: on her head and you're like, oh my god, Like
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: this is this is this again? This is this is
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Jersey fucking Housewives.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: This is anything else, Lark, this is not Christina on
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the Coast, This is not HGTV, this is not Discovery,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: like you're on the rough Housewalder Jersey Baby, like we
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: want the.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Action right right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And I think the last thing I'll say about like,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I think what's really interesting for dlors being in the
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: middle of these two I think it's really in the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: middle of two friendships. It's the Teresa friendship and the
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Margaret friendship. Like those are people that she's the closest
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: with in this group, I think. And Theresa is a
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: really old loyal friend like that they go back decades,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: and Margaret is somebody who she's gotten closer to within
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: the last decade. And I believe they are super super close.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: But new and old friendships are different, especially I think
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in like an Italian community too, it's like loyalty is
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: so valued and dlores is family, I think to Teresa.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So it's like those two things I think are in
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: conflict and Dolores's head at all times, which is like,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Margaret is somebody I talked to every single day. We're
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: emotionally close. It was through this experience and they've gotten
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: so close. But Teresa's somebody I've known since I was
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: back in Patterson, you know, and that's a hard conflict
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: to work through. I think as a human.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: One of the things that I did not understand until
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Gibson and I want to know if you have any
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: information or knowledge about this. I was not aware that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Dolores and Margaret were close.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: I've known that for years.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, so okay, So in my defense, I do watch
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: the show. I never put it like this. I've always
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: always thought the closest friend Margaret had when she got
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: on the show was Siggy. That's that's what I got.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: That's what I came across when joined. Yeah, like, oh,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: she's close with Siggy. Okay, fine, her and Delores know
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: each other, Okay, great, And then I'm like, oh, her
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: besties are Melissa and Jackie. Like I went through watching
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the shows and the seasons thinking like, oh, Margaret's closer
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to Melissa and Jackie.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: How long.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Were Dolores and Margaret friends before the show or once
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: she got.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: On the I think they've basically been getting really close
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: since Margaret joined the show, sort of beyond the show.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Like you're right, their friendship has not been spotlighted on
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: the show very much or at all that much. But
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I remember because I've been interviewing them for years, and
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: like I want to say, maybe three or four years ago,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I remember Margaret saying that she talked to do Lauras
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: every single day. I remember that, Yeah, they would be
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: on the phone or textly every day or something. I
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: remember her saying that they interview a long time ago
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: with me, and so it was sort of outside of
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: the context of the show. Definitely, they became close via
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: working together on the show, but they grew really.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Very cube book call buddies, like you know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, because it wasn't It wasn't because of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the show. It never was spotlighted on the show. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: think they were genuinely close, and they let it kind
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: of exist outside of any storyline or outside of any
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: team Melissa team Teresa kind of thing, because it does
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: complicate that dynamic, you know what I mean. So I
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: don't know, that's sort of how I read it, and
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I kind of think that it's been brought to the
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: forefront with Dolores in this It spotlighted Dolores's placed more
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: in the middle than maybe it came across in other seasons,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: especially since Louie is ended the picture and Margaret has
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: kind of taken a firmer stance against you know, Louis
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: and Teresa, you know what I mean, And and kind
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of that divide has obviously been widened as the years
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: have gone on. So that's that's my read on it,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: that they've been It's not like they weren't friends before
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the show, but they've gotten really close and probably the
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: past like five years, that's what I would say.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Jackie Golschneider, who to me was
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a sleeper hit.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, like sorry, guys.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I love a good reveal, and yeah, listen, I'll give
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Jackie this much.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: At least she copped to it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: And I I am not sure if I was in
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: jackie shoes Gibson that I would be sitting next to
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Teresa admitting that I lied about meeting with her husband's
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: ex because I felt like Teresa could have punched her
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: in the face, right next to her. Upon hearing that information,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the complete opposite happened. Teresa said, Okay, it's fine. Teresa
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: doubled down on it, doing this off the rail special that. Look,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I understand why you did it. It's because you thought
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I was coming for your husband, Evan, and I was
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: trying to ruin your marriage. So Teresa forgave Jackie. What
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: do you think about that? Do you think Teresa forgave
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Jackie just to spite Margaret, or do you really believe
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: that Teresa is like, listen, it's I for an eye.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a tough bitch. I get it. That's what we do.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: I forgive you.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I kind of think it's little bit of both. I
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: think in the moment, she did not want to give
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Margaret anything at that lunch, and Margaret's reveal was genuinely
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: pretty big and delivered well. And U subpoenaed the wrong
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: bitch the whole nine yards Like that was a moment,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: you know, like.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Which, By the way, brain drops, that is an epic.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Lyne It's the line of season.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's that. That's pretty epic. Usa, the poin of
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the wrong Bitch, I love it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Come on, come on, yeah, I think But I do.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: And then so I think the initial thing is not
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: giving Margaret anything, but I think, you know, like you
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: said earlier, Teresa sometimes like needs a moment to like
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: really like process something like like a big reveal like
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: that or whatever. And I think that she realized that,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: like it is, it kind of was eye for an
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: eye kind of kind of did make sense that Jackie
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: was in contact with the woman who was exposing a
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: fake affair rumor about her husband on National TV. Like
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: you know, Teresa is basically saying like I would have
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: done the same thing basically, and you know what she understood,
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: and so like I think that both of those things
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: can be true.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Time where do we go from here?
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Gibson, So the author Rail special is ending. It was
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: so anti climatic because Gibson, the moment these sort of
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: episodes of watching ended, they all looked around like do
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: we get the bill?
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Like do we do? We just walk?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It was so uncomfortable, Like they all look awkward the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: way Jackie did walking back to her car. They're walking
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: backwards once she heard people, you know, with the earshot,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: you know, with with the with the do in her pants,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: you know, So it was so awkward they.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Were like, so what do we do? Then they had
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a confessional. I'm like a.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Confessional at the end like, oh my god, whatever I digress?
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I was whatever, I'm over it. Okay, where do we
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: go from here? Because I want to play a game
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: with you, Gibson, because that's how much I adore you.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Oh oh sure, okay, on.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Game and on.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And that's how much you stand on business. So my
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: first question for you, Gibson after you play this game.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Is called Gibson with the gab.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I'm known to have a gab.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Can you subscribe this podcast? Okay?
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Where to heat your podcast? Ye?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, I love you some Gibson. Okay, Gibson
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: who is responsible for the destruction of the Real Housewives
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: of New Jersey Louis I said what I said, Oh.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Nini Gibson. Okay, all right, so no, no Gibson, rain drops.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Gibson has the floor. Gibson, explain yourself.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: I think that when Louie entered the picture, that is,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: when things just crossed various sorts of line. They became
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: more severe, more divided, more dangerous feeling in some elements
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: of that, private investigators were hired and people were called
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: who aren't on the show, and it just felt like
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: he's the person that also pushed the other side away
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: from Teresa even more the kind I just think that
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: it it made the divide unresolvable in a way that like, yeah,
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: we've been talking about Melissa and Teresa for fifteen years
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: or whoever long it's been, but it was always they
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: always kind of came back around, and they would they
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: would fight again, and they would like resolve and and
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I think it's refreshing that they last season at the
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: reunion finally were like, no, we hate each other. But
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: that also is because there was no way back. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I think that that's because of him. I think he's
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: been driving a wedge between Teresa and people in her life,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: and that made the show toxic. I think that's that's
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: that's what I think.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: You are a brave man. Gifts and John's I love
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you dearly. I could not do this episode without anyone
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: but listen.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sure Boddo will be investigating in forty seconds,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: but you know what he has. He has this AirPod
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: taffed already.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, gives a shut up.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: I mean they're friends, Okay, Okay, So when people say
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: because based on social media comments, people have said Louis.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Then there's people who have said Margaret Joseph's is the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: person who ruined Jersey and and obviously Gibson. What I'm saying,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: you've seen two on social media. It's only those two
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: names that come up when people assign a person to
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the to the the destruction of the show.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: So what do you say to people who think it's Margaret?
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: Though? I think that Margaret is one of the most
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: savvy housewives that exists across any franchise right now. And
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I think that the people that say that, not everybody. Sorry.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people that say that are
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: just really clouded by their loyalty to Teresa in a
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: way that I think that Margaret Teresa is one of
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: the best to ever do it, obviously, and that that
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: has created the amount that she has shared on the
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: show has created such a loyalty to her, And it
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: makes sense to me. It makes sense why people are
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: so loyal to Teresa. There's there's a protectiveness over her.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Margaret has emerged as the true probably loan threat to Teresa.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Teresa and her they've had moments where they get along,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: but I think that they are both sort of threatened
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: by one another. And I think that is because Margaret's
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: really good at this too, and she has not been
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: around for as long. If you think back to this season,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: the three biggest moments of this season that will stand
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: in the test of time, I think the screen shots
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: sent to Dolores mid conversation, the funeral arrangement, flowers, and
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: this final reveal at the last at the last lunch
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: about Jackie. Those were all Margaret. That shows how good
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: she is at this, I think, And I see why
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: people will blame her for ruining the show quote unquote,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: because it's in a lot of those people's minds Teresa's show,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: so inherently she is trying to bring down the Teresa
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Show and make it not the Teresa's show. Probably, but
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: that's how I would respond to that. I think that
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I think that it speaks to how good Margaret is
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: at being a housewife. And maybe maybe maybe they're all
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: in too deep that I think that's kind of the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: through line with Jersey. They're all kind of like they
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: can't see above the above the horizon. With Jersey, they're
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: all really in this and that's why allegedly some of
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: them are talking to bloggers and and kind of whatever,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: and that's where I think the show has kind of
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: gotten broken. But yeah, sorry, long answer, but that's what
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I would say.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I will say this just to give a
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: different POV. Yeah, I personally don't blame Louie for the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: demise of the show. I think the writing was on
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the wall before he entered the picture. I think what
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: happened is before Theresa met Louis, the show sort of
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: lost its momentum because it no longer was a show
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: about friendships. It was definitely a show about like being
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: savvy and investigations and doing background checks on people and
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: discovery and all of those things. And I think all
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of that happened prior to Louie coming on the show.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I think the Real Housewives on New Jersey cast lost
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the plot along the way. I think what happened is
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: it was sort of this known thing on the show
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: where your either team to resell Team Melissa. And I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: think every new girl came on the show knowing that
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: THEESA Melissa's relationship was always fragile, even when there were
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: seasons where they got along, I think we all knew
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that they're getting along to get along, but it's not genuine.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: And I think the cast more than we did watching
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the show. I think the cast knew that because obviously
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: they talk and they're filming every day with each other,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: and I think it became a show where it felt
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: more like Daylight NBC versus The Real Housewives New Jersey, Right,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: And I just think they lost a plot along the way.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: And also I also think this it's tough for a
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: man to get on the show because unfortunately, and that's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: any man.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: This is not just with Louis, This is for Joe Gorga.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: This is for.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Even back in my day when we had the iconic
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: legend Joe Judaics on the show, right, we had Chris Loreta,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: we had Albi Manns, you know what I mean, like
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the Cliff Essential, like Jersey Herdson's right. They were always
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: out a deficit because unfortunately, they never had the opportunity
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: to have equals springtime with the ladies. So when the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: ladies would say these things about each other's husband, however
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the woman felt about that person's husband or friend's husband,
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: got a lot of airtime versus the man trying to
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: defend himself.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And I felt that way Gibson.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: When I was watching this author Reil special and Louis
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: said the comment about I hope your son suffers, which, again, you,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: me and.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: The world all agreed that was bad to say, but.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: To hear Melissa, Danielle, Rachel and Margaret say and agree
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that's the worst thing that was ever said on the show,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, guys, yes, we all can agree
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: it was a bad thing to say, but this is
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: this is the problem that I have.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Y'all go the extra mile with now.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Using these buzzwords where it's the worst thing that was said,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, cause five minutes ago, Danielle said
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the one thing she regrets was not killing Jennifer Aided,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I think, I think that's worst thing
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: to say you want to end someone's life than.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Saying you want someone's son to suffer.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Again, both are bad, but if I had to equate
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the two, I would give a point one up to
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Danielle's comment as one of the worst things that I
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: have heard, not on the show because I haven't done
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: my research like that, but definitely in this episode.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean I cringe when she said that.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I was like that was that's not the right answer
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: to Oh Fessler saying, oh, you regret this? Right, She
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: kind of gave her the layup to like say, yeah,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I do. She shouldn't, she should not have said that.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I think part of that, and I agree what Louis
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: say is not the worst things I've ever been said
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: on this show, for sure. But what gave it the
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: sort of air of like kind of sent chills down
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: your spine is because he met the way he said it,
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and sort of knowing that he has these accusations that
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: he did hire private investigators, and he's calling the son
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: at his job and all these different things, it almost
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: feels like in their minds there's a chance he would
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: follow through on that wish or something, you know what
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, Like it has this like air of like
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: just kind of it felt a little bit like a
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: dangerous comment to make because it could have real world
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: implications or something like that sort of thing. What the
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: subtext of the feeling was when he said that in
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that group's mind, that's sort of how I read that
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: and and their reaction to it in the watch party,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: If that makes sense.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I get that. But if that's
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: how they felt. Then I would feel that, Okay, is
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Danielle going to also live up to hurt threats because.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: And again she's gotten physic because she's gotten physical twice
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: this season.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again I'm not picking size. I don't think
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: any of them would do anything crazy. I but but
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: but for me, it was more so about like it
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: was good for the goose and good for the gander.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you?
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that what you said? I don't even now.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that picks up if I if
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I did it wrong, who cares? Fact, you guys get it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You guys are smarter than the fifth grader. So y'all,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: y'all get it. But again, that's that's what I wanted
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to offer up as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. The
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: second and last question I have for you, which is
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: also all over social media including Netflix, including Page six,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: People Magazine, and Honey even Deadline, is the biggest question
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: of not only this podcast history, but the biggest question
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that really solidifies where we are with this show. Gibbsoni
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: John's who stays or who goes? Does Melissa stay or
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: does Teresa stay You can only choose one and tell
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: me why.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: And this is who I want, not who I think,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: this is who you want. I would like for Melissa
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: on her side of the group to stay. That is
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: what I would like.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, and tell me why.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I personally think that that side of the group moves
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: on from things quicker and easier. I think Teresa holds
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: on to a lot of things. I think she's given
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: a lot to the show. I think she's had an
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: amazing arc on this show. But also with if she stays,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Louis stays and I don't really like watching him. I
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: don't think he's fun to watch it all. You know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: if you think about it, it's like if you, let's
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: just say you took Teresa and Jennifer Aden out of
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: the equation, you're still left with five or six women
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: who are part of a cast that we would have
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: familiarity with, and you can fill You could easily fill
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: in people with that group and they would accept them
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: and create a new friend group basically. And that's that's
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: what I think. I think that it's a little bit
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: more dynamic on that side in terms of openness to
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: new people and and and moving on personally, that's what
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I think. And I'm sure that a lot of your
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: listeners are rolling their eyes right now, and you know what,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I understand that. But you asked me the question, and
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I and and and the reason why I clarified want
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: versus think is that I don't think that's what's going
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: to happen, but that's what I would want to happen.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now, obviously I want some reason to stay listen,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and that's why we're doing this of course, of course,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: of course of cars. And after this, I want I
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: want to hear why you think, because obviously you think
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: they'll choose Theresa. But the reason I think and I
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: would want, right, So I'll answer both. I think and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: would want Teresa to stay. Not only it's because she's
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: my friend. Not only it's because in real life, I've
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: seen this woman single handedly become the face of the show.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Working with her for the first two seasons of the
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of the series, I've seen her also give everything to
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I've also seen her go to camp and having the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: entire production be put on pause until she came back,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: which to me was the biggest indicator that the power
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: that this woman has in terms of like not even
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: saying like don't film no that the network saying like
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: what are we going to do here? And also think
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: from a bigger picture, Gibson from my pov obviously being
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: in this seat, being a producer and executive and.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: All the all the other stuff.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: These shows are run by advertisers, and I think when
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you look at selling ads to this franchise, if you
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: tell an advertiser that, hey, Melissa is the face of
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the show, They're gonna say Melissa McCarthy, Melissa Etheridge, Melissa
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Joan Hart. Like tell me, it's not Melissa Gorga, Like
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: who's the face of this show that you want us
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: to like buy ad dollars for? Because that doesn't make
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: any sense. And again, this is no shade towards towards Melissa.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I've said on my podcast several times that I think
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Silo she's a great housewife. She's beautiful, she's funny, I
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: love her family. She's she's a she's a beautiful great mother,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and you cannot take that away from her. She's a
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: great mom, an excellent mother. In fact, she's and she
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: on paper right is a great housewife. And I'm gonna
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: say something to you, give something I never said on
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: my podcast. So you get this clusive, honey, Okay, here
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: we go.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, I told you I love you for a reason.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Gifts and hello.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: When I learned through Teresa that Melissa was joining season
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: three of the show, and I told this story of
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: how Teresa called me because they pretty much said to her, like, girl,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: she's shooting tomorrow, pretty much right, and she asked me
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: what I thought about Melissa, and mind you, at this time,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I've seen Melissa twice, so this whole thing about Melissa
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: and Joe will never invited. I met Melissa at Audriana's
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: christening where Dina Manziel was the godmother, and I said
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: this to Teresa's Okay, I said, well, honey, she is pretty,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and I don't blame them for casting her like I
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: said that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I never one said, oh my god, she's awful. She's this.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: I said to my friend Teresa, I mean she's a
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: pretty woman and I could see why, and I said
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: to her, like, look, bitch, I think this.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I think this.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Will be great for the show because I've always believed that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with my girls.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I'm honest that Way, to Ninnie, Lisa, Kenya Moore, to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: all my girls, Portia. The list goes on and on.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: So for all the people who think I'm a hater
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of Melissa, I'm not. I'm the one who said to Teresa, no,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I get it. I understand it. She's pretty and she
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: checks all the boxes when it comes to a housewife.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: So I think this will be I think this will
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: be great for the show. And I said, but at
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, and I did say this,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be very honest, I said, but, bitch,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: this is your show. Don't let nobody run you off
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: your show. This is your shit. So that's that. So
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: when it comes to Teresa Melissa, that's my thing. And
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I also think this as well. I think this, but
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: this is not what I want. I think the powers
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: that be will choose Teresa and Dolores to lead the
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: new iteration of Jersey. I think it's those two, and
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: I think they may. They may, and I'm fifty fifty
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: on this. They may choose between Rachel and Danielle. And
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: if I had to choose between Rachel and Danielle, and
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: I'm being very honest here, I would choose Danielle only
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: because to me, Danielle is a reality star.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: She's made for TV.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Is in her bones, it's it's it's it's on her
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: IMDb page, based on all the work she did to
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: get here.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And I think I think that although.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: What I would want, I would want Jennifer Aiden to stay,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I just don't think that would happen.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: But I would want her to say gohey Gibson.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's what I think is gonna happen as well.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I don't I I don't get a good feeling in
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: terms of like Jennifer's relationship to the network and like
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: what they're thinking about what she's allegedly been doing behind
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: the scenes and influencing production and all of that. But
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: I and I think if you took her out of
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: the equation, Teresa would be much more amenable to working
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: with Danielle instead of Rachel. I think that Teresa's done
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: with the food as it seems, you know what I mean? Yeah,
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I think I for the same reason that you think
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: and want Teresa, That's what I think they're gonna do,
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: because it's gotten to a point where she's so inextricable
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: from the show, like they're interchangeable and if there's no
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: denying that she's given so much the show and all that,
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: you don't reac I don't have to rehash it, but
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: like that's undeniable and she's such a bankable star. So yeah,
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: that's that's what I think will happen. I just I
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: don't know. It's just sort of like I'm just so
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: curious how they would fill that in. I guess, you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: like that's a lot of spots to fill with with
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: with new women. So I'm not saying they can't do it.
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: I'm not. And Dolores and Teresa, that's a lot of
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: star power right there. So and that's a that's a
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: genuine connection. And I feel like if they did that,
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: do you think they would bring you back anybody to
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: also to like also kind of give it another like
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: the next season, another calling card, like would they bring
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: back at Jacqueline, would they bring back you know what
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, like just to like have it be like,
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: you know, we're keeping Dolores and Teresa, but we're also bringing.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Back Yes, I definitely think this. I think sort.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: Of like Atlanta, how they what they were trying to
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: do this past this current season. Yeah, like we're keeping
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Kenya and Drew, and then we're bringing back Porsche and
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: bringing back Cynthia as a friend sort of thing, and
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: then the other ones are new.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: That's a great question.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I think Jacqueline would have been up front and sent
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: her if she wasn't in California.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a that's a big curve.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: I think if Jacqueline lived, yeah you're Jersey Jack and
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: would have would have been asked back. Listen, it will
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: never happen. It will never, ever, ever, ever ever happened.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Dina Manzo as well. I think Caroline, we know that's
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: not that's not happening now, honey, you want to shake
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: the table, stop Danielle Stobb.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: No pun intended with the table reference right, shaking a table?
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh honey, I would like to see that, but
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I know that that's also maybe a dark horse in
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: a situation.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: So look, so that's why.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think we won't see anyone else. I think
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Teresa and Dolores makes sense. Their friends. Dolores is Switzerland,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: but she's loyal to Teresa. Teresa needs a friend, I think, Danielle,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: and my last exclusive for you is this my gut
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: said to me last night, this show was built on family.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: That's the difference between Jersey Housewives and the other franchisees,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: because each franchise has its own specialness to it right,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: their own entry point, and the entry print in this
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: was family. Danielle Cabral, she has such an interesting family
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: dynamic that I would cast her family to.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting, Yeah, bravo.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You're listening, Hi.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I would cast Danielle's family Danielle Cabral's family because there
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: seems to be a lot there that I would like
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: to see, because I don't want Jersey to miss the
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: plot anymore. And when it comes to Melissa, I will
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: say this, I think the network loves Melissa. I think
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Melissa would judge a fashion show on E I think
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Melissa would do things on Peacock with Joe.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think Melissa is like you.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Know, I don't, yeah, gone out for good. I also
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: think that there's something to be said about like whatever
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: route they take going forward, maybe that route lasts for
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: a couple of years, a few years, and then I think,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's closed off to bringing back some
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: of those women whoever they let go of. You know what,
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, so depending on how successful whatever they
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: do is, like, that's always a possibility as well. So
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with you. I mean, yeah, she's a
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: bankable star in and of herself, and so I think
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: she'll stay involved for sure.
• 55:21
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