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Steve Price | 21 August · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Why this is Steve Bryce. Good evening, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you with us on this Friday, at
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Speaker 2: the end of a week where one of our most
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Speaker 2: recently were admired football clubs, the AFL Sydney Swans, have
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Speaker 2: been rocked by the actions of five of their players
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Speaker 2: and allegations of sexual assault. We'll have full coverage for
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Speaker 2: you tonight. Here is what else is coming up on
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Speaker 2: the program. Prime Minister Anthony albanize he has finally been
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Speaker 2: dragged kicking and screaming to accept it was a dumb
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Speaker 2: idea to appear on the.
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Speaker 1: Bush Deep podcast.
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Speaker 2: It took him long enough and of course where did
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Speaker 2: he apologize? He appeared on your ABC. I'll play some
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Speaker 2: of that interview for you later. And speaking of the
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Speaker 2: Albanezi government, could they really be contemplating going down the
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Speaker 2: carbon tax road given what that idea did to the
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Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Julia Gillard's prime ministership. Plus, I'll have
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Speaker 2: an update for you on the very serious issue of
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Speaker 2: bird flu. One expert has said today late today that
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Speaker 2: the bird flu outbreak could be a tsunami through the
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Speaker 2: native bird populations of Australia.
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Speaker 1: I'll have an update for you on that.
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Speaker 2: But first though, let's go to these alleged actions of
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Speaker 2: five Sydney Swan's AFL players that are part now of
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Speaker 2: a Victorian police investigation. They have today been described by
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Speaker 2: a lawyer from a personal damage's law firm, Carbone Lawyers
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Speaker 2: as quote the most disgusting actions and behavior I have
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Speaker 2: ever heard about in my twenty eight years as a lawyer.
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Speaker 2: Here was John Kratzis on Tom Elliot's through Out w
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Speaker 2: program in Melbourne this morning.
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Speaker 3: These women were subjected to the most discussing actions and
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Speaker 3: behavior I have ever heard about my twenty eight years
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Speaker 3: as a lawyer. The suffering severe stress and anxiety. They're
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Speaker 3: actually still they're actually fearing for their life at the moment.
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Speaker 2: He went on to describe what he had been told
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Speaker 2: by two of his clients. There's three menmen involved. He
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Speaker 2: is representing two of them. Here's what he told Tom.
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Speaker 3: And what they were subjected to, it is alleged was demeaning,
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Speaker 3: ab horrent and simply not moral or acceptable.
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Speaker 2: Well, mister Kratis has now gone to ground as the
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Speaker 2: Swan's hit back claims that he did make in that interview,
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Speaker 2: suggesting that there were more Swans officials in the room.
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Speaker 2: Now this is a claim that the Sydney Swans strongly deny.
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Speaker 2: Now the club itself again today, as should be the case,
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Speaker 2: were determined to defend their actions in standing down the
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Speaker 2: five named players for the rest of the season. I
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Speaker 2: sense though an early and as swift as that decision was,
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Speaker 2: it will most definitely not be the end of the
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Speaker 2: ramifications from that wild, boozy night, with allegations of drugs
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Speaker 2: being found in one of the hotel rooms. The five
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Speaker 2: includes stars of the competition Isaac Eeney, Chad Warner and
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Speaker 2: Nick Blakey, plus lesser known players Swan's players James Jordan.
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Speaker 1: And Riley biss All.
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Speaker 2: The reporting so far indicates that he Ney is at
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Speaker 2: the center of the police probe. The Swans play at
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Speaker 2: home in Sydney at the SCG against North Melbourne on
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Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon, and awkwardly for the club, their afl W
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Speaker 2: team will play on a double hitter before the men's team,
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Speaker 2: which was to have been a celebration of the women's competition. Well,
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Speaker 2: what happened in that hotel has bulldozed that. The men's
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Speaker 2: team then has a week off before playing in the
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: Six final series.
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Speaker 2: Now, the incident puts the future and the playing careers
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Speaker 2: of all players involved in doubt. Determined to be seen
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Speaker 2: to be doing the right thing, the Swan, their coach
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Speaker 2: Dean Cox, and their captain Callum Mills, came out front
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Speaker 2: of the media this morning. They got Cox started by
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Speaker 2: apologizing to the female Swan's AFL to WT and all
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Speaker 2: women working at the club and women generally here.
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Speaker 1: He was, we all have women in our lives we
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Speaker 1: deeply love.
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Speaker 4: I would like to express the respect for women is
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Speaker 4: of the highest priority for both myself personally and our
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Speaker 4: football club. We have some fantastic women working in our
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Speaker 4: football club, both in the AFLW program and on staff,
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Speaker 4: and our thoughts are with them and I apologize to them,
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Speaker 4: along with the women in the community, for the actions
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Speaker 4: of the players.
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Speaker 2: Swan's captain Callum Mills said that he had been deeply shocked.
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Speaker 5: It's a police Investcasha, but I was extremely.
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Speaker 2: Shocked and Coach Cox was asked if he could confirm
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Speaker 2: whether there had been more than the named five players
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Speaker 2: in that hotel room, with suggestions today that an unnamed
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Speaker 2: former AFL player and another man were present.
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Speaker 4: As part of the investigation. I'm unaware of that, and
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Speaker 4: it is an investigation. We have to let the police
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Speaker 4: do their job and work through thinking you so that's
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Speaker 4: what we need to do.
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Speaker 2: He was asked Viva's in the room and said, no. Now,
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Speaker 2: this investigation, given its high profile, will be lengthy, and
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are details we still have no idea of.
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Speaker 2: But it is beyond belief to me that something like
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Speaker 2: this could happen to an elite sporting team on the
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Speaker 2: eve of playing in the finals after finishing second in
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Speaker 2: the regular season. I mean, even with what we already know,
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Speaker 2: it leads me to think this whole culture thing that
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Speaker 2: the wider AFL and probably other male ball sports claim
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Speaker 2: to be part of, is a cloak to hide behind,
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Speaker 2: and the reality is that, despite their high wages and
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Speaker 2: pampered lives, young men of a certain age think acting
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Speaker 2: toward women in a blokey, boozed up way is somehow
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Speaker 2: still acceptable. I ran into a tradee at my local
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Speaker 2: this week. He might have been a bit older than
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Speaker 2: the Swan's players. He looked to me, maybe in his
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Speaker 2: mid thirties, but seeing my copy of the local heralds
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Speaker 2: on newspaper. He said, what's the big deal, It's just
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Speaker 2: a few boys having a blowout after a long season. Now,
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Speaker 2: he and I have got no idea what actually went
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Speaker 2: on in that hotel room, and we'll have to wait
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Speaker 2: for the police investigation and any criminal and civil.
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Speaker 1: Court cases to play out.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: As I said, it's been a big day, particularly at
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Speaker 2: the Sydney Cricket ground. Here is the latest from News
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Speaker 2: twenty four senior reporter Matt Taylor.
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Speaker 6: Flaing by senior team players, the Swan's coach and captain
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Speaker 6: apologizing for the scandal that has engulfed the club.
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Speaker 5: Were really disappointed have the actions of these five players,
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Speaker 5: and as a playing group, we fully to support the
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Speaker 5: club's decision on the sanctions handed down. We take full
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Speaker 5: responsibility and we are deeply sorry.
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Speaker 6: Coach Dean Cox and Captain Color Mills conceding the Swan's
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Speaker 6: brand has taken a hit.
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Speaker 4: A culture isn't perfect. One thing that we do know
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Speaker 4: is our culture has taken a hit. The thing you
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Speaker 4: need to understand about a culture is how you respond
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Speaker 4: and the actions you take following being hit. We are
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Speaker 4: going to work through and as hard as we possibly
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Speaker 4: can to get the trust back from the community.
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Speaker 6: The Swans skipper offering support for the alleged victims and
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Speaker 6: other women disappointed by the actions of the five suspended players.
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Speaker 5: I first, they want to apologize today AFLW players, our
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Speaker 5: female staff, and the women in our lives, our partners, mothers, sisters,
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Speaker 5: and all women within the community. We take these allegations
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Speaker 5: extremely seriously and we hope the women involved are getting
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Speaker 5: all the support they deserve.
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Speaker 6: From the afl W captain and coach of Frank Concession
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Speaker 6: that it's been a tough week.
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Speaker 7: We've had some really open conversations as a group this
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Speaker 7: week and with the club more broadly. In we've felt
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Speaker 7: the support both internally and externally as well, and girls
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Speaker 7: are working through their emotions as they see fit for
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Speaker 7: themselves personally, and we wrap our arms around everyone.
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Speaker 6: Earlier reports suggested there were more than five Swans players
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Speaker 6: in the hotel room where the alleged are sold is
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Speaker 6: said to have taken place, including club leadership. This one's
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Speaker 6: issuing a statement denying this was the case. One of
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Speaker 6: the alleged victims also breaking her silence, saying she's seeking justice.
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Speaker 8: My clients were subjected to humiliating and degrading behavior on
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Speaker 8: Monday morning, and now they're suffering severe stress and anxiety
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Speaker 8: as a result of those events. Further, they're in fear.
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Speaker 1: For their life.
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Speaker 8: I've been a lawyer for twenty eight years and I've
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Speaker 8: never seen anything so disgusting and degrading.
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Speaker 6: This week's events come ahead of the historic double head
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Speaker 6: of matches to be played at the SCG this weekend.
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Speaker 6: The coach admits football has been the last thing on
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Speaker 6: his mind, but the captain is urging fans to come
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Speaker 6: out and show their support.
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Speaker 1: The confirm that you were not in that room that night.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't in the room.
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Speaker 9: That it's a question of fact.
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Speaker 1: It's not a matter for a police investigation. Whether there
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Speaker 1: were other staff members in the room. That's just a
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Speaker 1: yes or no question. So that's why.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So we're still trying to find out information as well.
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Speaker 10: Calum, you have you spoken Callum to the five and
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Speaker 10: would you ever allow them to come back into your team.
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Speaker 5: Look, it's still an ongoing police investigation, so I can't comment.
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Speaker 10: On without the police stut put that aside from what
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Speaker 10: happened on the night that made them have to be
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Speaker 10: forced to stand down and ruin your final chances. Is
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Speaker 10: that enough for you to say no more contact with them?
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Speaker 6: What will you tell me?
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Speaker 1: This isn't about football.
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Speaker 5: The sanctions that were handed down were not about football
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Speaker 5: the people.
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Speaker 10: In what your position is with those five players?
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Speaker 5: My position is that I fully support the sanctions that
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Speaker 5: have been handed down by the club.
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Speaker 6: The Swans will face off against North Melbourne with the
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Speaker 6: AFLW side taking on Essendon on Sunday. Matt Taylor News
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Speaker 6: twenty four, Sydney.
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Speaker 2: Good on you, Matt, thank you very much for that. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let's turn our attention now to national politics. I want
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Speaker 2: to go to the revelations yesterday about a new consultation
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Speaker 2: paper it's been released by Energy Minister Chris Bowen, which
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Speaker 2: reveals the government, can you believe it is exploring the
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Speaker 2: creation of a carbon credit trading system as a way
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Speaker 2: to stop consumers, that is, farmers and miners and the
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Speaker 2: airlines and trucking companies from using traditional diesel, petrol and
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Speaker 2: jet fuel. Now, critics say the plans have all the
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Speaker 2: hallmarks of a Julia Gillard era a missions trading scheme. Now,
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Speaker 2: those of us with long memories would remember exactly what
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Speaker 2: happened to labor in twenty thirteen during the federal election
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Speaker 2: when that was a iv issue, have lot.
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Speaker 10: There will be no carbon tax under the government high lead.
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Speaker 2: Well those quotes, of course went on to haunt Julia
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Speaker 2: Gillard throughout her Prime ministership. Tanya Constable is the Chief
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Speaker 2: Executive Officer of the Minerals Council of Australia. Joins us
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Speaker 2: now from Canberra. Tanya welcome. I mean they're having a
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Speaker 2: lend of it. Surely the government says this is about
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Speaker 2: cleaner fuel and greater fuel security. But if the scheme
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Speaker 2: makes diesel and petrol more expensive, isn't that ultimately just
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Speaker 2: another cost on business.
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Speaker 11: Well, great to be with you, Steve. And while we
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Speaker 11: support low carbon liquid fuels as an industry, it must
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Speaker 11: be a voluntary scheme. Anything that mandates low carbon liquid
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Speaker 11: fuels being mandated on industries across Australia, such as the
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Speaker 11: mining industry, which is which is a globally a global industry,
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Speaker 11: and we we want to make sure that we are
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Speaker 11: not bound by something that is going to impose additional
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Speaker 11: costs on our industry as a whole. And that's what
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Speaker 11: we think that this is going to do. The paper
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Speaker 11: itself says that we can expect to see two to
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Speaker 11: five times higher costs on industry. So you can imagine
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Speaker 11: any tradee driving a UT across Australia paying two to
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Speaker 11: five times more than they have to buy the use
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Speaker 11: of low carbon liquid fuel mandate. So it must be
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Speaker 11: voluntary and if there is a need for it, if
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Speaker 11: there is a market for it, then that should come
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Speaker 11: forward without it being mandated across industry, across individuals.
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Speaker 2: What's your suspicion tenure of what they want to do.
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Speaker 11: Oh, it's cost upon cost upon cost. It's about ensuring
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Speaker 11: that we see lower emission occurring across the whole economy.
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Speaker 11: We already have a safeguard mechanism that is doing the
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Speaker 11: job to bring down emissions and fifty percent of mining
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Speaker 11: related facilities sit in the safeguard mechanism and there is
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Speaker 11: a ratcheting down on that safeguard mechanism year upon year
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Speaker 11: out to twenty thirty and companies are required to reduce emissions.
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Speaker 11: If they're over one hundred thousand tons, they're in that
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Speaker 11: safeguard mechanism. A lot of our companies are, so they've
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Speaker 11: got to bring down emissions and if they don't, then
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Speaker 11: there is a cost associated with that. So emissions reduction
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Speaker 11: is occurring in our industries. And you know, there is
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Speaker 11: other ways that the government is trying to bring down
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Speaker 11: emissions through the eighty two percent renewables focus and other
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Speaker 11: parts of the economy, but for mining, the safeguard mechanism
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Speaker 11: them is the way that the mining industry is addressing emissions,
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Speaker 11: and we're making sure that that happens.
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Speaker 9: If not, there's a cost giveness with it.
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Speaker 2: Given the state of the economy, I'm going to think
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Speaker 2: the last thing you want to be doing is trying
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Speaker 2: to put more regulation and cost on top of big mining.
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Speaker 2: For a start, And you make an excellent point that
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Speaker 2: you know, somebody who's driving around in a Ford Ranger
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Speaker 2: or a vw amrock being forced to go and buy
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Speaker 2: more expensive I guess ethanol type fuel. That's just a
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Speaker 2: cost that they were going to pass on to the consumer.
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Speaker 11: Oh, that's exactly right. We expect that any sort of
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Speaker 11: changes here are probably going to be inflationary. We have
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Speaker 11: a cost of living crisis. We cannot do more than
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Speaker 11: what we are doing at the moment. The country cannot
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Speaker 11: bear more than it is currently facing. So you know,
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Speaker 11: these sorts of ske need to be voluntary, and if
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Speaker 11: there are industries that want to go into these schemes,
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Speaker 11: then they should be able to. But the mining industry,
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Speaker 11: we expect that we'll be able to reduce emissions and
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Speaker 11: are reducing emissions where it's appropriate across our whole industry.
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Speaker 11: We'd like to get to the electrification, particularly on mind sites.
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Speaker 11: We're somewhat away from that, but the safeguard mechanism is
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Speaker 11: the way that we are reducing emissions right at the moment.
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Speaker 11: We also with this low carbon liquid fuel scheme, it
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Speaker 11: is very much an overlap with the safeguard mechanism, and
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Speaker 11: again that is a problem that the industry has pointed
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Speaker 11: out already and we'll be pointing out in this consultation phase.
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Speaker 11: We're also concerned about the government picking winners at this
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Speaker 11: time by mandating particular ways to particular parts of industry,
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Speaker 11: the use of waste cooking oils canola, So they're very
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Speaker 11: much picking winners where industries should be able to find
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Speaker 11: a pathway that suits them if they want to go
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Speaker 11: through this voluntary mechanism. So there are so many flaws
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Speaker 11: with this at the moment, and I must say we
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Speaker 11: are in a consultation phase, but the industry is concerned
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Speaker 11: about what we're seeing at the moment and we don't
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Speaker 11: want to have our competitiveness attacked.
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Speaker 2: I was going to ask you. I can see you're
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Speaker 2: sitting there in Canberra. So the consultation phase is obviously
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Speaker 2: active as the government and more particularly Minister bow and listening.
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Speaker 11: Well, we're at early stages and we're putting forward our
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Speaker 11: views we would expect to be heard. We've never the
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Speaker 11: mining industry, to be fair, has never had a problem
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Speaker 11: accessing the Minister Bowen's office and putting our views forward.
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Speaker 11: Whether they are acted upon that is another issue altogether.
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Speaker 11: But our position, as I said, will be one of
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Speaker 11: a voluntary scheme as opposed to it being mandated. There's
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Speaker 11: already been a phase where the government has put forward
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Speaker 11: supply side measures and money has been allocated to low
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Speaker 11: carbon liquid fuels industry to get the industry up and running.
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Speaker 11: But just imposing a mandatory scheme to that is totally
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Speaker 11: totally inappropriate. Are you yeah?
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Speaker 2: I hee you absolutely right good on you. Thanks you,
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Speaker 2: Tony're nice to speak to you, Tony Constable there okay,
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Speaker 2: coming up straight after the break Victorian Premier fend Carroll
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Speaker 2: has revealed more details about this ryal commission into the
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Speaker 2: Big Bill roughts in Victoria and the role of governments
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Speaker 2: he was part of played in allowing that to continue.
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Speaker 2: I'll talk with the former head of the Australian Building
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Speaker 2: and Construction Commission, the a c C.
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Speaker 1: That's up next. Welcome back to Stuke Price with you.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, we'll have an update on the deadly bird flu,
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Speaker 2: which one expert has described as a tsunami waiting to happen.
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Speaker 2: We'll have that for you shortly. And Mark Knight will
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Speaker 2: be in the studio with us. He's a passionate Sydney
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Speaker 2: Swan's supporter. He's had to draw some very personal cartoons
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Speaker 2: and sketches this week. Avid a Swans fan, So markleby
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Speaker 2: with us in the studio. I wanted to to the
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Speaker 2: establishment of this Victorian Royal Commission into the construction industry.
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Speaker 2: Now it was not in fact one of it was
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Speaker 2: the first act of the new Premiere of Victoria, Ben Carroll,
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Speaker 2: with the terms of reference revealed yesterday, of course, he
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Speaker 2: had little choice but to go down this path. Here
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Speaker 2: he was a where he was announcing the actual inquiry.
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Speaker 12: The terms of reference make it a matter for the
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Speaker 12: Commissioner to decide whose actions and whose knowledge are relevant
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Speaker 12: to the matters under investigation, not the government, not me.
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Speaker 12: Nothing is off limits. These are broad, exhaustive terms of reference.
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Speaker 2: I mean a timeline's very interesting here because the elections
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Speaker 2: at the end of November, and so once the two
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Speaker 2: parties go off into election mode or caretaker mode, you'd
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Speaker 2: presume any inquiry would have to stop, or it might
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Speaker 2: not have even started by that. And then of course
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Speaker 2: you've got the fact that you know there's only two
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Speaker 2: months until that happens. I mean, here to help us unpack,
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Speaker 2: this is the former head of the Australian Building and
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Speaker 2: Construction Commission, John Lloyd. Great to see you, John, Welcome
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Speaker 2: to the program. I mean, fifty million dollar budget and
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Speaker 2: a twelve month deadline is twelve months and you've seen
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Speaker 2: these things.
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Speaker 1: You're involved in. The coal inquiry is twelve months long enough.
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Speaker 13: It's pretty short, Steve. It's a very tight timeline. After
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Speaker 13: the Royal Commissioner who is appointed, then they've got to
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Speaker 13: get a counsel assistant, an expert team and a big
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Speaker 13: team of people who are about workplace relations. Criminal investigations
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Speaker 13: the law and get them working and then uncover this
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Speaker 13: amountain of information which is out there. So that takes
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Speaker 13: some time to get that kicked off, and I think
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Speaker 13: that it's about two years too late. Nevertheless, it's well,
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Speaker 13: it's going to be tight basically.
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Speaker 2: What it's a political exercise, obviously, John, because Ben Carroll
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Speaker 2: had to have a reason to walk away from what
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Speaker 2: had been happening under Ja Cinda Allen and Daniel Andrews,
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Speaker 2: even though he was on the sitting around the cabinet table.
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Speaker 2: But he's announced this thing hoping that everyone will just
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Speaker 2: go okay, well he's serious about corruption in the building industry.
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Speaker 1: Do you get the sense that he is.
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Speaker 13: I think you had no option given the just continuous
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Speaker 13: exposure of as downing and appalling conduct, and I think
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Speaker 13: it was going to be a very big liability going
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Speaker 13: into an election, so he probably had no option but
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Speaker 13: to do it. But nevertheless, a lot of the paper
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Speaker 13: authorizing the Royal Commission, parts of it read like our
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Speaker 13: explanation as to why he shouldn't blame the government too much.
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Speaker 13: There's reference to the referral of powers to the Commonwealth
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Speaker 13: back in nineteen ninety six. As a factor. They also
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Speaker 13: refer to fact that other states are sort of almost
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Speaker 13: partly to blame. There's also paragraphs about what they've been doing,
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Speaker 13: so that made me a bit uneasy that they're sort
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Speaker 13: of the authorizing papers as an attempt to downplay if
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Speaker 13: you like the exposure of the government to this mess,
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Speaker 13: and you hope that that doesn't come through, because some
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Speaker 13: when a Royal commissions announced, it's often like a new
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Speaker 13: dawn is arriving. Some are successful, but some Royal Commissions
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Speaker 13: fail to meet expectations. We hope this one, at the
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Speaker 13: end of the day is successful, even though it's got
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Speaker 13: a very tight timeline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, the timeline is all important here because I mean,
22:36
Speaker 2: you know, the average voter who's going to go to
22:39
Speaker 2: the polls in November, they would very much like to
22:41
Speaker 2: have the understanding that former Premier Dan Andrews for Minister
22:45
Speaker 2: to Cinda Allen, who was in charge of that sector
22:48
Speaker 2: at one point, and that people like John Setka and
22:50
Speaker 2: mcgatto or at all will be called before the Royal Commission.
22:54
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen before a state election. So
22:59
Speaker 2: if we have that state election and the opposition were
23:02
Speaker 2: to be victorious, the Liberal National Coalition. Could the new
23:06
Speaker 2: premiere of the state change the terms of reference and
23:10
Speaker 2: make sure that the people I've just mentioned would appear
23:13
Speaker 2: before it.
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Speaker 13: Certainly yes, the new government of course could issue a
23:21
Speaker 13: new terms of reference. They could add commissioners to the
23:25
Speaker 13: current commissioner, they could potentially replace the current commissioner, and
23:28
Speaker 13: they could certainly tighten up and expand the terms of reference.
23:32
Speaker 13: And I think there's things to be done there. One
23:34
Speaker 13: thing I'm surprised about it there's no sort of mention
23:37
Speaker 13: as to the capacity of this Royal Commission to draw
23:41
Speaker 13: down material from the current Queensland inquiry in the construction industry,
23:46
Speaker 13: because up in the next Queensland Inquiry, because Victorian operators
23:50
Speaker 13: had nowhere to go to voice their concerns and complaints,
23:54
Speaker 13: the Queensland Commission is uncovering an amount of material related
23:58
Speaker 13: to Victoria. So we're seen to be very sensible to
24:01
Speaker 13: ensure that that can be easily transferred down to this
24:05
Speaker 13: the Royal Commission. So that's I think a quite important thing.
24:09
Speaker 13: I also thought there'd be a capacity to investigate some
24:13
Speaker 13: of the industry funds like Incolink and Leaf. Plus there's
24:18
Speaker 13: been a lot of commentary about how the income protection
24:22
Speaker 13: schemes in the industry are manipulated. So I think there's
24:25
Speaker 13: certainly areas where they can tighten up the terms of reference,
24:30
Speaker 13: and also I think ensure that material emails are particularly
24:33
Speaker 13: involving public servants are available to the Commission, because politicians
24:40
Speaker 13: often very clever at distance in themselves from the actual event,
24:45
Speaker 13: and sometimes sing officials we know from evidence have been
24:49
Speaker 13: informing contractors what they should and shouldn't do on site,
24:53
Speaker 13: and I think it's important that that sort of material
24:55
Speaker 13: is able to be examined.
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Speaker 2: John, thanks for your expertise, appreciate it, Thanks for coming
25:02
Speaker 2: and talking to us. I mean, John makes an absolutely
25:05
Speaker 2: vital point there that that evidence in Queensland included Jeffrey
25:08
Speaker 2: Watson putting the fifteen billion dollar fee onto the corruption
25:13
Speaker 2: the money that has been or might have been sucked
25:16
Speaker 2: out out of those big bill projects. So of course
25:19
Speaker 2: you'd want that evidence included in any fresh Royal commission.
25:23
Speaker 2: I think this thing is a bit of a smoke
25:27
Speaker 2: haze between now and the election, and Ben Carroll hopes
25:30
Speaker 2: that people who just not pay attention. I want to
25:32
Speaker 2: say my attention bird flu now, I mean I like
25:35
Speaker 2: most of you, I think thought, okay, we've had one
25:37
Speaker 2: or two cases of bird flu. I think the first
25:40
Speaker 2: ones were in wa on An Island, on a beach there,
25:44
Speaker 2: and then there's been a couple in other states, including
25:47
Speaker 2: in Victoria, and there's protection in place for the penguin
25:51
Speaker 2: population on Philip Island. But there's now been calls for
25:55
Speaker 2: a prime ministerial and premiere level of focus to combat
26:00
Speaker 2: the deadly H five bird flu I mean. The chief
26:03
Speaker 2: of the Invasive Species Council, man by the name of
26:06
Speaker 2: Jack Goff, he said there needs to be greater recognition
26:10
Speaker 2: from all governments about how much disruption this could cause.
26:14
Speaker 2: And he warns there is a quote tsunami of devastation
26:18
Speaker 2: about to break over Australia's unique wildlife, and of course
26:21
Speaker 2: there's also the fears about our poultry industry. Let's crossed
26:25
Speaker 2: now to Adrian Estamon. He's one of the country's leading epidemiologists.
26:28
Speaker 2: He based at the Adelaide University. Strong language from that expert.
26:35
Speaker 2: Do you agree with him that we may be facing
26:38
Speaker 2: a tsunami of bird flu?
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Speaker 14: I agree with the provisor that we're not going to
26:44
Speaker 14: be seeing a tsunami. I think it's already happening. It's
26:48
Speaker 14: going to be the tragedy for our wildlife, not so
26:51
Speaker 14: much for human as human risk is very low, but
26:53
Speaker 14: also it could profoundly affect up poultry farmers.
26:58
Speaker 2: I was listening today on radio. There's a report out
27:00
Speaker 2: of Adelaide and you're from South Australia like me, and
27:03
Speaker 2: there has been quite a large death toll amongst a
27:07
Speaker 2: group of seabirds on part of the coast of South
27:11
Speaker 2: Australia as I understand it, Adrian.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, there's been a massive killing of over a thousand
27:16
Speaker 14: birds in three separate places. So it's starting to happen
27:21
Speaker 14: for the next few days or weeks. It will be
27:23
Speaker 14: mainly our coastal areas where there's massive breeding colonies that
27:28
Speaker 14: they'll eventually work their way. Inland, there's been a reported
27:31
Speaker 14: day of a death in Wentworth on the Murray, which
27:33
Speaker 14: is the New South Wales, of a bird there that's
27:36
Speaker 14: died from age five and one. And that's critically important
27:40
Speaker 14: because the Murray is of wetlands where the massive breeding
27:46
Speaker 14: colonies are. So this is obviously a great and so.
27:52
Speaker 2: We don't want to overly scare people, but will this
27:55
Speaker 2: I mean is it possible to tell whether this can
27:57
Speaker 2: be contained in any why or is it now at
28:02
Speaker 2: a point where it is going to spread through the
28:04
Speaker 2: native bird population? And what the experts are trying to
28:08
Speaker 2: do is try and prevent it from getting into things
28:12
Speaker 2: like the poultry industry.
28:14
Speaker 14: Look, it's almost impossible to stop it in wild birds.
28:17
Speaker 14: If you try to vaccinate, then you'd first have to
28:19
Speaker 14: catch each bird, then mark it with some sort of microchip,
28:24
Speaker 14: and then catch it again and then check to make
28:27
Speaker 14: sure that it's god en imme in response, I mean,
28:30
Speaker 14: that's simply not possible with wild birds. So no matter
28:33
Speaker 14: what we do, we cannot stop it from decimating our
28:35
Speaker 14: wild bird population. Have you said that it will have
28:39
Speaker 14: different effect on different species of wild birds. So birds
28:43
Speaker 14: that are prolific breeders, have several eggs a year, they'll
28:47
Speaker 14: probably be basically okay. It's the ones that only produce
28:50
Speaker 14: one egg a year or aren't very good breeders that'll
28:53
Speaker 14: be mainly at risk.
28:56
Speaker 2: I've got a large magpie and koco barra population in
28:59
Speaker 2: where down where I live, and you know, I think
29:02
Speaker 2: people if they start seeing birds like that turning up,
29:06
Speaker 2: did it's going to really come home to use an
29:10
Speaker 2: awful cliche to roost for people. They're going to look
29:13
Speaker 2: at that and think, well, how can we not stop this?
29:16
Speaker 14: Look, we can't stop it. I mean it's been going
29:18
Speaker 14: on for about five years now in the northern hemisphere.
29:23
Speaker 14: What's happened is it's turning out to be seasonal, so
29:27
Speaker 14: that the main die offs of birds and animals tends
29:30
Speaker 14: to be in their autumn and winter, and in Australia
29:34
Speaker 14: it's like to be in our spring season when we
29:36
Speaker 14: have our major breeding season. I don't think there's been
29:41
Speaker 14: a single case of an actual breed becoming extinct over
29:44
Speaker 14: the five years we've had this particular virus around. So
29:48
Speaker 14: what happens is it will cull off millions of birds,
29:51
Speaker 14: but they tend to eventually come back again, potentially over decades,
29:57
Speaker 14: but they will eventually come back after you've get a
30:01
Speaker 14: certain number of them becoming immune.
30:05
Speaker 2: So the seasonal nature of it, Adrian, is a lifesaver.
30:08
Speaker 14: Really, Look, I think it is. As I said, we
30:12
Speaker 14: can't stop it. We can certainly protect our endangered species
30:15
Speaker 14: and we are doing that. Things like little penguins. We
30:17
Speaker 14: can vaccinate some of our rare breeding colonies. We can
30:21
Speaker 14: vaccinate because these birds are basically captured. Therefore we can
30:24
Speaker 14: easily get them and vaccinate them twice, assuming that the
30:28
Speaker 14: government decides to do that. The government, the federal government,
30:32
Speaker 14: has pumped some money into this to go to zoos
30:35
Speaker 14: and the sanctuaries, which I think is fantastic, but always
30:40
Speaker 14: a little bit late. We should have been vaccinating our
30:42
Speaker 14: penguins a couple of weeks ago rather than now.
30:46
Speaker 2: Just in your role as an epidemiologist, we saw you
30:49
Speaker 2: regularly during COVID Can you put us all at these
30:52
Speaker 2: that bird flu is not able to be transmitted from
30:56
Speaker 2: an animal to a human to cause a covid like
30:59
Speaker 2: virus in its kind.
31:00
Speaker 14: Absolutely, so humans do pick it up. Over the last
31:06
Speaker 14: thirty odd years, there's been a thousand people infected with
31:09
Speaker 14: H five M one, but only those people who've been
31:13
Speaker 14: in contact with dead birds and dead animals, so that's
31:16
Speaker 14: the only way you can really pick it up. There's
31:18
Speaker 14: no human to human transmission. The actual virus itself doesn't
31:22
Speaker 14: really like humans. It would have great deal of difficulty
31:26
Speaker 14: at the moment at least in infecting humans, So there's
31:29
Speaker 14: really very low risk for the human population. The only
31:33
Speaker 14: ones who are really at risk are those who deal
31:35
Speaker 14: with dead birds or sick birds like vets and poultry
31:38
Speaker 14: workers and wildlife workers and things like that, and they'll
31:42
Speaker 14: be able to be protected. We actually have a human
31:44
Speaker 14: vaccine available which is made actually in Australia by CSL Saquerus,
31:50
Speaker 14: and that vaccine is being reserved for those people who
31:53
Speaker 14: are at risk of touching sick or dead birds. So
31:58
Speaker 14: we have an animal vaccine which we can use for
32:01
Speaker 14: our endangered speceis We've got a human vaccine is available
32:06
Speaker 14: for humans. And the really good news is that even
32:09
Speaker 14: if the virus did mutate, which is unlikely but it
32:13
Speaker 14: could do and become infectious from human to humans, which
32:19
Speaker 14: should obviously be a huge concern, we actually have our
32:22
Speaker 14: own factory in Melbourne and maderna factory that can actually
32:25
Speaker 14: take the existing human vaccine and ver easily tweak it for
32:29
Speaker 14: a new version of the virus. So all in all
32:33
Speaker 14: we're far better place.
32:34
Speaker 2: Now, good news, Professor Nue to see you again, thank
32:37
Speaker 2: you for helping us out tonight. Now coming up as
32:39
Speaker 2: summary of the week in cartoons, we have Mark Knight,
32:42
Speaker 2: the best in the business in the studio, including of
32:45
Speaker 2: course his passionate assessment of what's gone on at the
32:48
Speaker 2: Sydney Swans.
32:49
Speaker 1: Mark Knight updext Welcome back.
32:55
Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into the cartoons of the week with
32:58
Speaker 2: our best in the business.
33:00
Speaker 1: You said is Mark Knight. It's been a.
33:02
Speaker 2: Very tough week for Mark Well Studio. Let's just set
33:06
Speaker 2: the scene here. You are more than a passionate Swan's
33:10
Speaker 2: Sydney Swan supporter.
33:12
Speaker 9: I believe red and White.
33:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you love the club, love the Bloods.
33:16
Speaker 15: They're Look, they're a great club. They give their supporters
33:19
Speaker 15: great value. You always play finals, you know.
33:22
Speaker 2: And the thing I read a column in one of
33:24
Speaker 2: the other newspapers today about how they're a very female
33:28
Speaker 2: friendly club.
33:29
Speaker 1: Yes, they attract a lot of.
33:31
Speaker 2: Female supporters in Sydney. I think it's like fifty to fifty.
33:34
Speaker 2: It always seemed when I lived up in Sydney for
33:36
Speaker 2: the long time that I did, that they had a
33:39
Speaker 2: real core of supporters who were really passionate.
33:42
Speaker 15: It's a real family day when you go to there.
33:44
Speaker 15: Even in Melbourne christ you know they're South Melbourne.
33:46
Speaker 9: They get a good turn up down here up in city.
33:49
Speaker 15: And you know they're very big on social awareness with
33:53
Speaker 15: LGBTQ being in Paddington.
33:56
Speaker 1: I suppose how shocked.
33:57
Speaker 2: Were you when you heard about well, mate is alleged
33:59
Speaker 2: to have happened.
34:01
Speaker 9: Actually lost for words. I couldn't believe it.
34:03
Speaker 15: It was like, I don't know, it was like some
34:05
Speaker 15: sort of hyper reality.
34:06
Speaker 2: So you've actually drawn a cartoon that is the Sydney
34:11
Speaker 2: theme song, and you've actually rewritten the w have Let's
34:14
Speaker 2: have a look at that cartoon.
34:16
Speaker 9: Do you want me to recite them?
34:19
Speaker 1: Yeah?
34:19
Speaker 9: I think well, you know Swan supporters.
34:21
Speaker 15: I think we're bewildered and angry that this has happened,
34:24
Speaker 15: and so I thought I would have a crack at
34:26
Speaker 15: rewriting the song. And it's you know, gear gear, the
34:28
Speaker 15: red and the white dishonored our name. Very late one night,
34:33
Speaker 15: lifted that noble beer glass high brought down our season.
34:36
Speaker 15: Many asking why, what though the odds be great, what
34:40
Speaker 15: though the odds of a.
34:41
Speaker 9: Premiership be small? Swans will go.
34:43
Speaker 15: In dropping heeny and all while our soil reputations marching
34:48
Speaker 15: southward to victory.
34:50
Speaker 2: That's very clever, but very heartfelt, And that must have
34:53
Speaker 2: been hard to draw, but very cleverly written.
34:56
Speaker 9: Thanks mate, but.
34:59
Speaker 1: You had a bit.
34:59
Speaker 9: I don't think think I'll be in the Swan's good
35:02
Speaker 9: books for a while.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that.
35:04
Speaker 9: Well I did if you had, I think this is
35:07
Speaker 9: this is what you know.
35:07
Speaker 15: Andrew Pridham did a great job coming out and saying,
35:10
Speaker 15: you know, all these players are dropped and I think
35:13
Speaker 15: we're on the same page here, priam am I where
35:16
Speaker 15: you've got to criticize the behavior here and to do
35:19
Speaker 15: to not to do so, I think would be you.
35:22
Speaker 2: Know, running away from We've got to let the police
35:24
Speaker 2: investigation obviously run its course, but I mean the chances
35:28
Speaker 2: of all of those being at players being able to
35:31
Speaker 2: go back and play again, I think it would be
35:33
Speaker 2: pretty slim. Still, on football, you've had a bit of
35:35
Speaker 2: fun with the Carlton coach this week. Carlton's announcement obviously
35:39
Speaker 2: distracted by this, but they've got a new cartoon, they've
35:42
Speaker 2: got a new coach.
35:43
Speaker 9: This is like the Footy Show.
35:45
Speaker 1: This is a footy show. Josh Fraser is footy. What's
35:48
Speaker 1: that say?
35:48
Speaker 15: Well, Josh Fraser had his big announcement, you know, and
35:51
Speaker 15: this is the big story of the year in football
35:53
Speaker 15: up until the Swans, and just as they announced it,
35:55
Speaker 15: of course, the Swan's trump Gate goalie thunder. So there
35:59
Speaker 15: he is sitting there the press conference. I know all
36:02
Speaker 15: you media guys have been desperate for the announcement of
36:05
Speaker 15: the Carlton coach.
36:06
Speaker 9: Hang on, where'd everybody go?
36:08
Speaker 1: Well' that's literally what happened.
36:10
Speaker 9: That's what happened.
36:11
Speaker 1: Yes, still on.
36:12
Speaker 2: Sydney the hotel, the Pullman Hotel where the alleged incident
36:16
Speaker 2: alleged took place, with the.
36:18
Speaker 9: Sign saying Swan's Mad Monday.
36:22
Speaker 1: Early for Mad Month. We're still in the final.
36:24
Speaker 9: You know, mad Mondays are very famous in footy.
36:27
Speaker 15: You know, the day after your season ends, you go
36:30
Speaker 15: and have a well deserved drink, you let off a
36:32
Speaker 15: bit of steak.
36:33
Speaker 2: They decided to do it two weeks before the final start,
36:36
Speaker 2: not two weeks after they finish timing.
36:39
Speaker 1: Who could be?
36:40
Speaker 2: I don't know the prime mins around to now Albez
36:42
Speaker 2: He went on, Oh funny. The seven thirty of Board
36:44
Speaker 2: on the ABC last night apologized for taka each year
36:47
Speaker 2: in the melons.
36:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rama, you had a bit of fun with that.
36:51
Speaker 1: Well evolves fruit.
36:53
Speaker 15: We're showing this cartoon because Elbow brought it back. This
36:55
Speaker 15: with drew this cartoon last week. But it was a
36:57
Speaker 15: bit of you know, rude food. There's elbow with the
37:01
Speaker 15: melons doing those gestures, and I thought it was only
37:04
Speaker 15: fair that.
37:04
Speaker 9: Prime Minister tacking issue should reply with a we call
37:08
Speaker 9: that a lady finger banana.
37:10
Speaker 1: I go to Japan a lot.
37:11
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that Japanese sense of humor.
37:13
Speaker 1: Would quite get that.
37:16
Speaker 9: It would not translate.
37:18
Speaker 2: Stay with the Prime Minister gambling. This reform bill is
37:21
Speaker 2: supposed to have gone through the Parliament, yes, having a
37:23
Speaker 2: bit of jibaji about how strong it will be or
37:26
Speaker 2: how weak it will be.
37:27
Speaker 1: And the Coalition and the.
37:28
Speaker 2: Government have got together Angus Taylor and the PM are
37:32
Speaker 2: they on the betting?
37:33
Speaker 1: Oh he was a Melbourne Cup.
37:34
Speaker 15: It was a rare occasion where they've come together to
37:37
Speaker 15: bring about some gambling reform. How much and how it
37:41
Speaker 15: will work, you know, I think we're all still waiting
37:43
Speaker 15: to find out. But there they are, like connections leading
37:46
Speaker 15: the prize the prize winning horse and it's not a
37:49
Speaker 15: good looking Thoroughbreds, it's got a bit of a bit
37:53
Speaker 15: of condition on it. But there they are, the happy connections,
37:56
Speaker 15: the owners leading in the prize winning reform horse.
37:59
Speaker 2: Your main cut tune in the Herald Sun tomorrow Swans.
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Speaker 9: It is and have you ever seen the Hangover movies?
38:06
Speaker 1: Pricey? Yes, I have, it's a bit like that. Woops.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I can't wait to get to us. Thank you, mate,
38:14
Speaker 2: you've had a big week to appreciate it. Mark Not'll
38:17
Speaker 2: be back with us in a couple of weeks. You
38:18
Speaker 2: can catch these cartoons in the Herald Sun tomorrow morning.
38:21
Speaker 2: Make sure you run out and grab a copy. Coming
38:23
Speaker 2: up after the break, we'll dive into all the other
38:26
Speaker 2: news of the week with our Friday Night panel, including
38:29
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister not quite apologizing as we just said,
38:32
Speaker 2: for his melon's gap.
38:38
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
38:39
Speaker 2: Well, it's been a huge week in news right around
38:41
Speaker 2: the country and I think that Sydney Swan's story has
38:43
Speaker 2: still got a lot of way to play out. Let's
38:46
Speaker 2: get into it with our Friday night panel. News twenty
38:48
Speaker 2: four contributor Friday Night regular Joe Hildebrand and from GT
38:52
Speaker 2: Communications Jimmy Tornini.
38:54
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
38:55
Speaker 2: We're all pretty exhausted by the Swan story, but I mean,
38:58
Speaker 2: it just keeps having twists and turned. Let's go back
39:02
Speaker 2: to this, I mean the allegations of sexual assault. Obviously,
39:04
Speaker 2: the police are investigating that Swan's. Members of the club
39:08
Speaker 2: have denied claims by this lawyer, saying that there might
39:11
Speaker 2: have been a leader also in that room. To you, Joe,
39:14
Speaker 2: I spent two stints of eight years living in Sydney.
39:18
Speaker 2: The brand of the Sydney Swans was the Bloods. The
39:22
Speaker 2: culture was clean. They appealed equally to male and female supporters.
39:29
Speaker 2: This brand trashing is a complete disaster for Sydney.
39:33
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's absolutely right. This is the most shocking thing
39:35
Speaker 16: about it. Obviously, these sorts of allegations are terrible when
39:39
Speaker 16: they before any club, but when it happens at a
39:42
Speaker 16: club that has prided itself for so long on being
39:46
Speaker 16: the antithesis to this sort of behavior and has been
39:49
Speaker 16: very public about it. Paul Ruse, the veteran coach, famously
39:53
Speaker 16: said the Swan's had a quote no Dickhead's policy, and
39:56
Speaker 16: that was in reference to exactly this sort of behavior
40:00
Speaker 16: occurring at other clubs and in other codes, and the
40:03
Speaker 16: Swans deliberately set them apart from that. They had a
40:06
Speaker 16: far more kind of Eastern suburbs and inner city urbane
40:11
Speaker 16: supporter base. So in Sydney that's you know, you're more
40:14
Speaker 16: affluent and progressive areas they were seen as, I suppose,
40:18
Speaker 16: a refuge for people who thought that rugby league was
40:21
Speaker 16: too violent on the field or too beset by too
40:24
Speaker 16: many scandals off the field. And now that whole kind
40:28
Speaker 16: of facade, if you like. It wasn't a facade for
40:31
Speaker 16: a long time, but it now appears that even they
40:35
Speaker 16: can fall prey to this kind of misbehavior because the
40:38
Speaker 16: players have been found to have breached the club's own standards,
40:41
Speaker 16: independently on whether or not there's actually been any criminal wrongdoing.
40:46
Speaker 2: Jimmy, are you dealing, you know, looking after companies when
40:49
Speaker 2: their reputations are put at risk. I mean you've seen
40:53
Speaker 2: already here, either with the Swans themselves as a club
40:57
Speaker 2: or Isaac Keeney as an individual. Sponsors like Colegate, Telstra,
41:02
Speaker 2: Volkswag and even Nike have withdrawn their support or put
41:07
Speaker 2: it on hold. How enormous is that damage to the
41:10
Speaker 2: Swan's brand.
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Speaker 17: It's everything's and nobody should be surprised, And I don't
41:16
Speaker 17: think that's what you're saying anyway, but for the record,
41:18
Speaker 17: no one should be surprised that these brands, which are
41:22
Speaker 17: for the most part, family oriented brands, would respond to
41:26
Speaker 17: this situation that way and watching this unfold, and to
41:30
Speaker 17: be clear, just to sort of avoid any misconception, I'm
41:34
Speaker 17: definitely not working for the Swans and and I'm not
41:37
Speaker 17: in the room when those decisions are being made. I
41:39
Speaker 17: think that's a really important thing for everybody to remember,
41:41
Speaker 17: those of us sitting on the outside. The things that
41:44
Speaker 17: I was impressed with this week steve the fact that
41:47
Speaker 17: the Swan's willingly, willingly and as swiftly as I think
41:51
Speaker 17: is practicable blew up their season and turfed out these
41:55
Speaker 17: five players immediately, and for the period of time that
41:58
Speaker 17: they did, some should say would have been longer. But
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Speaker 17: sporting clubs and footy clubs AFL clubs, as you and
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Speaker 17: I both know, for a long time, did the things
42:06
Speaker 17: like well we're going to suspend them, and we're going
42:08
Speaker 17: to make that suspension from the first of January for
42:10
Speaker 17: five weeks, you know, that sort of garbage that would
42:13
Speaker 17: never have flown in this situation. I think the Swans
42:16
Speaker 17: have shown that brand repair, values, whatever you want to
42:20
Speaker 17: call it, have been more important to them than winning
42:24
Speaker 17: a premiership. And that's indeed what should have been demonstrated.
42:28
Speaker 17: What I haven't loved in the last twenty four to
42:30
Speaker 17: forty eight hours in the broader sort of you know,
42:32
Speaker 17: rabble rousing around this story as things like, you know,
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Speaker 17: boycott the Swan's game, boycott this, boycott that. There are
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Speaker 17: some players who, let's not forget there are players who
42:40
Speaker 17: were not involved in this, there are players who in
42:43
Speaker 17: it completely most of them. Yeah, well that's my point.
42:45
Speaker 17: So to what end does that prove anything or deliver anything?
42:48
Speaker 17: I think this is, as you said, got a long, long,
42:50
Speaker 17: long way to go. But from a reputation perspective, it
42:54
Speaker 17: is a conger line of manure sandwiches.
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Speaker 2: Joe. I mean, you know, there, I was standing in
43:02
Speaker 2: my local milk bar on Thursday or Wednesday, and I
43:06
Speaker 2: had the heralds on newspaper in my hand. This place
43:10
Speaker 2: I go to has a bunch of trades that go
43:12
Speaker 2: there every day on the way to their job or
43:14
Speaker 2: whatever they're doing. One of the trades he would have
43:16
Speaker 2: been probably in his mid thirties. I'm tipping sort of
43:19
Speaker 2: leant over my shoulder and just said, oh, well, it's
43:22
Speaker 2: just a bunch of boys having a good night out,
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Speaker 2: a bit of a blowout after the season is almost finished,
43:29
Speaker 2: which it wasn't, but that attitude still exists in the community.
43:34
Speaker 2: As hard as we try and and say it doesn't,
43:37
Speaker 2: it does.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.
43:39
Speaker 16: And ironically they were trading his pricing, because that's apparently
43:42
Speaker 16: what the swanis said that they were in order to
43:46
Speaker 16: get a discount from the exotic dancer who they got
43:49
Speaker 16: up to the hotel room. But it certainly wasn't a
43:50
Speaker 16: good night out for her. So that's the first point
43:54
Speaker 16: to make. This was not just a bunch of guys
43:57
Speaker 16: and girls mucking around having fun, consensually heading off a
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Speaker 16: bit of steam. This the allegation from this woman is one,
44:05
Speaker 16: presumably because the Victoria Police Sexual assault squad are looking
44:09
Speaker 16: into it, one of sexual assault. It is just an allegation,
44:13
Speaker 16: but that's what's being alleged. It's very very serious. It's
44:15
Speaker 16: not just fun and games and so and that's why
44:19
Speaker 16: these codes of conduct are in place. And again there
44:22
Speaker 16: were some very misguided and foolish commentary, you know, but
44:26
Speaker 16: you know, how dare the fans talk about the Swan's
44:29
Speaker 16: finals chances or how it impacts their chances of getting
44:33
Speaker 16: the flag. The whole point of these codes is that
44:37
Speaker 16: these off field indiscretions have on field consequences and so
44:42
Speaker 16: it's not enough for you know, in the old days
44:45
Speaker 16: people would say, well it's just the boys misbehaving, letting
44:48
Speaker 16: off steam. It doesn't you know, it doesn't matter. You know,
44:51
Speaker 16: it shouldn't affect how they play football. These two things
44:53
Speaker 16: should be separate. And in a way you've got sort
44:55
Speaker 16: of angry progressives now arguing the same thing that they're
44:59
Speaker 16: two separate things. The whole point is if you you know,
45:03
Speaker 16: if you do something bad off the field, well no
45:06
Speaker 16: you don't get the Premiership or you don't get to play,
45:09
Speaker 16: you don't get to run out through the banner. So
45:12
Speaker 16: so it's hitting them where it hurts.
45:14
Speaker 2: If you're like I suspect some of those players will
45:18
Speaker 2: never played for Sydney again. Jemma talking about reputation the
45:21
Speaker 2: Prime Minister he's now going on Our Friends on the
45:23
Speaker 2: ABC and he said, oh, well, you know, in hindsight,
45:26
Speaker 2: if I had my time over again, I probably wouldn't
45:29
Speaker 2: have gone on that podcast. I mean, who told you
45:34
Speaker 2: you should go on that podcast? If you just google
45:37
Speaker 2: the name of the woman who is hosting it, you
45:39
Speaker 2: would have been very aware of what was going to happen.
45:42
Speaker 17: Can I also just suggest the name of the podcast
45:45
Speaker 17: was fairly instructive.
45:47
Speaker 1: It's not like it was thank you.
45:49
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, come on, let's just confront that one
45:51
Speaker 17: head on this Prime Minister is allergic to anything resembling accountability.
45:58
Speaker 17: It's almost like it's it's actually for me psychologically really
46:02
Speaker 17: interesting to study how the bloke just will not own
46:05
Speaker 17: a single decision. Let's go to the voice, not my loss.
46:08
Speaker 17: Let's talk about the rise in power prices that he
46:11
Speaker 17: swore black and blue to the Australian people would go down,
46:13
Speaker 17: they've gone up.
46:14
Speaker 9: Not his modeling.
46:15
Speaker 17: The modeling is stood there and said, yeah, it's our
46:17
Speaker 17: Modeling's not anymore because it's screwed. And now this is
46:20
Speaker 17: not even an apology. This is the other interesting thing
46:22
Speaker 17: about this. This is the guy who did this talking
46:26
Speaker 17: about melons and goes no, no, no, no, no no,
46:28
Speaker 17: you're all taking me out of context, like he runs
46:31
Speaker 17: from accountability the way I run from dairy. He has
46:34
Speaker 17: got no interest in it.
46:37
Speaker 14: No interesting, I don't.
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Speaker 1: My hands are not leaving the disk.
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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, that's my point to the table.
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Speaker 10: That is my point.
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Speaker 17: If a bloke stands in front of you or a
46:47
Speaker 17: chick doing this talking about melons, nobody is confused about.
46:51
Speaker 9: What it means.
46:52
Speaker 17: And to the women of labor who ran interference for
46:55
Speaker 17: their boss like the good little girls that they clearly
46:57
Speaker 17: are Shame on all of you. I refuse to listen
46:59
Speaker 17: to where'd you say about women?
47:01
Speaker 2: Ever again, Pauline instead of the Pauline Henson's Weekly cartoon
47:06
Speaker 2: had some fun with this.
47:07
Speaker 1: Ever, Look you, I'm a melon man. You know that
47:11
Speaker 1: you're just jealous. You weren't gifted with a couple of juicy,
47:13
Speaker 1: juicy Japanese melons.
47:17
Speaker 2: Ah, Dear Joe gives a free kick to one nation.
47:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that?
47:21
Speaker 9: Does I mean?
47:22
Speaker 16: I think? And again, I mean when you compare this
47:24
Speaker 16: to some of the other stories we're talking about, it
47:26
Speaker 16: does see? I mean, I know it's awesome and that
47:28
Speaker 16: it's so tabloid and it's got everything. And hope you
47:31
Speaker 16: didn't notice what I was doing with my hands just there.
47:33
Speaker 9: But I'm down.
47:35
Speaker 16: But I think the real problem here is that you've
47:39
Speaker 16: had a left that has been so sanctimonious about everyone else,
47:44
Speaker 16: everyone else's behavior and any possible misstep in finding outrage
47:48
Speaker 16: and the slightest kind of slip up and always interpreting
47:51
Speaker 16: things in the worst through the worst possible light that
47:54
Speaker 16: when the tables have turned and now it's flipped and
47:57
Speaker 16: it's one of their own who is in the dock
48:00
Speaker 16: and can be accused with the same sort of fevered
48:02
Speaker 16: outrage the right things, Oh fantastic, and let's let's go
48:07
Speaker 16: in and use their own weapons against them and blow
48:09
Speaker 16: them up with the same kind of outrage that they've
48:11
Speaker 16: used to blow up say Scott Morrison, for example. And
48:14
Speaker 16: so I think the problem is actually all that outrage
48:19
Speaker 16: and that sanctimoni, sanctimoniousness and that censoriousness that the left
48:23
Speaker 16: cook up coming back to buy them. I don't think
48:25
Speaker 16: it's the incident the podcast itself. That honestly, I.
48:29
Speaker 17: Agree, but I disagree. I think Joe's absolutely I think
48:32
Speaker 17: Joe's absolutely the money.
48:33
Speaker 9: But I know we're out of hander up.
48:35
Speaker 2: My hands are up. That means we're out of time.
48:37
Speaker 2: It's the only time they're going to be up. I'm
48:39
Speaker 2: out of time. Thank you, Joe, Thank you, Jim. I
48:41
Speaker 2: appreciate you joining us tonight. That's Sydney Swan's story. By
48:45
Speaker 2: the way, I think it's got a hell of a
48:46
Speaker 2: long way still to go. Rowandine the word according to
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Speaker 2: Roundine up next,