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Jennifer Fairgate Pt. One · The Path Went Chilly

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pathway Chili.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley.
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  Speaker 3: Let's dive right into this week's case.
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  Speaker 2: June third, nineteen ninety five, Oslo, Norway, the body of
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  Speaker 2: a woman is found inside room twenty eighth five of
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  Speaker 2: the Oslo Plaza Hotel, and since a pistol is in
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  Speaker 2: her hand, she appears to be the victim of a
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  Speaker 2: self inflicted gunshot wound. Three days earlier, she checked into
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  Speaker 2: a hotel under the name Jennifer Fairgate. Well, the name
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  Speaker 2: turns out to be fake, and since she has no
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  Speaker 2: identification in her possession, the woman remains a Jane Doe.
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  Speaker 2: There are a number of strange details which lead to
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  Speaker 2: speculation that Jennifer might have been a spy and was
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  Speaker 2: actually the victim of foul play, but all attempts to
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  Speaker 2: identify her are unsuccessful.
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  Speaker 1: After that, the path went Chiley. So today we are
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  Speaker 1: going to be traveling to Norway in order to explore
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  Speaker 1: a mystery involving an unidentified decedent, the nineteen ninety five
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  Speaker 1: death of a woman known only as Jennifer Fairgate. As
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know, about four and a half years ago,
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  Speaker 1: this story was featured on an episode of season two
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  Speaker 1: of the Netflix reboot of Unsolved Mysteries. It involves a
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  Speaker 1: woman who checked into what is probably the most luxurious
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  Speaker 1: hotel in Norway's capital city of Oslo, and three days
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  Speaker 1: later she was found dead inside a room of what
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be a self inflicted gunshot wound. Even though
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  Speaker 1: she had registered under the name Jennifer Fairgate, all the
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  Speaker 1: details she provided turned out to be fake and her
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  Speaker 1: true ideay could not be established. Needless to say, there
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  Speaker 1: have been a lot of theories pushed forward about who
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Fairgate really was, but one of the most prominent
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  Speaker 1: is that she may have been a spy who was
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  Speaker 1: involved in espionage, and the Unsolved Mysteries episode even explored
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  Speaker 1: the possibility that her suicide was staged and she was
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  Speaker 1: actually murdered by an unknown party. Many of you are
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  Speaker 1: probably already familiar with the story of the Somerton Man
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  Speaker 1: at Decened, who was found on a beach in Australia
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  Speaker 1: seventy six years ago and was tentatively identified in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two. There are a number of parallels between the
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  Speaker 1: Somerton Man and Jennifer Fairgate, which i'll be discussing in
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  Speaker 1: more detail later on, but this was another case in
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  Speaker 1: which there were all sorts of wild theories about the
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  Speaker 1: victim being a spy, yet the actual truth might be
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  Speaker 1: a lot less complicated. So on this episode, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to try and figure out who Jennifer Fairgate was and
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  Speaker 1: the circumstances which led to her losing her life.
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  Speaker 3: So there's some pros and cons to this case when
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at it from an investigative point of view.
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  Speaker 3: The first thing I think when I hear what you
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  Speaker 3: guys just described is we're in twenty twenty five. Please
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  Speaker 3: tell me that we have a police department who preserves
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  Speaker 3: some evidence about Jennifer Fairgate in an effort to at
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  Speaker 3: least provide an identification for this woman, and that DNA
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  Speaker 3: might be a possibility.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, DNA is definitely a possibility, But I think the
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  Speaker 1: rules for genetic genealogy are different in Europe than they
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  Speaker 1: are in North America. I do not believe they've actually
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  Speaker 1: implemented it, so they're still at the phase where, well,
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  Speaker 1: if we get a good match, we can compare her
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  Speaker 1: DNA to it, but they can't actually enter her DNA
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  Speaker 1: into a forensic genealogy database and hope that it matches
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  Speaker 1: a distant relative. So I think that's why she is
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  Speaker 1: still unidentified.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well that's frustrating and hard. But then you also
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  Speaker 3: have to think of this from a cold case perspective.
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  Speaker 3: When you look at a case that occurred and you said,
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  Speaker 3: I believe nineteen ninety five, then the police and anyone
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  Speaker 3: who would be investigating this case eventually have to step
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  Speaker 3: back and not give as much attention to a case
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  Speaker 3: like this because there's not much to go on, and
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  Speaker 3: in Jennifer's case, you don't have a family and that
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  Speaker 3: political pressure and social pressure saying you have to help
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  Speaker 3: us solvet our loved one's mysterious death, you have to
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  Speaker 3: help us keep looking at this. So without that kind
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  Speaker 3: of evidentiary perspective, and without the social and political pressure
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  Speaker 3: of a family and community asking for their person someone
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  Speaker 3: they cared about, to be identified, then it's shocking to
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  Speaker 3: me that we're even discussing this case. I'm excited because
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  Speaker 3: Jennifer Fairgate was somebody's daughter and sister and friend, but
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  Speaker 3: it's a really interesting case because you don't have the
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  Speaker 3: elements you typically have in a cold case. That's being
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  Speaker 3: kept alive.
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  Speaker 2: Robin, do you know if okay?
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  Speaker 1: So?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, when Unsolved Mysteries aired this case, it became a
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  Speaker 2: true crime obsession internationally, but would this have been like
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  Speaker 2: a national obsession in Norway?
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty much languished in obscurity for a long
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  Speaker 1: time until a Norwegian journalist decided to publish an article
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  Speaker 1: about it, and it finally got some national attention. And
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't particularly well known in North America before Unsaw Mysteries,
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  Speaker 1: but it was discussed in places like Reddit. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's an obsession, but it has gotten
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  Speaker 1: more coverage in Norway than most cases I think involving
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  Speaker 1: unidentified decedents.
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  Speaker 2: Our story begins in Oslo, Norway, in nineteen ninety five,
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  Speaker 2: and takes place at the Oslo Plaza, a luxurious five
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  Speaker 2: star hotel which also happens to be the second tallest
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  Speaker 2: building in all of Norway. At around seven to fifty
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  Speaker 2: pm on the evening of Saturday, June third, a part
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  Speaker 2: time security guard named espen Nass arrived at room twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight oh five to check on a female guest. The
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  Speaker 2: woman had checked in three days earlier, but it had
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  Speaker 2: not yet made any payment for the room in spite
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  Speaker 2: of numerous requests for her to do so. The woman
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  Speaker 2: had exceeded her credit limit, and, since it do not disturb, side,
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  Speaker 2: had been hanging on the room's door since the previous morning.
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  Speaker 2: The hotel's receptionist asked Nas to speak with her. When
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  Speaker 2: Nas arrived at the room, he knocked on the door,
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  Speaker 2: but was startled when he heard a gunshot from inside
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  Speaker 2: seconds later. Unsure of what to do, Nas hid in
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  Speaker 2: a concealed position for a period of time to watch
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  Speaker 2: the room, but when no one emerged, he took the
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  Speaker 2: elevator downstairs to the hotel's security headquarters and had them
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  Speaker 2: contact the police. The hotel's security chief went to room
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight oh five and knocked on the door, but
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  Speaker 2: received no answer. Since the door was double locked from
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  Speaker 2: the inside, it could only be opened by a special
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  Speaker 2: security key card, so the security chief used it to enter.
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  Speaker 2: He then discovered the body of a woman lying face
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  Speaker 2: up on the bed, where the linen mattress had been
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  Speaker 2: soaked with blood. She was the apparent victim of a
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  Speaker 2: self inflicted gunshot wound, which had been fired through the
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  Speaker 2: center of her forehead. A browning semi automatic nine millimeters
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  Speaker 2: pistol was in the woman's right hand, across her chest
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  Speaker 2: and her thumb was on the trigger. There were two
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  Speaker 2: bullets embedded in the floor, and while one of the
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  Speaker 2: bullets was from the fatal shot which killed the woman,
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  Speaker 2: the second one had been fired through the pillow, mattress
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  Speaker 2: and bed. Since the pillow was flipped over, it was
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  Speaker 2: theorized that it may have been used as a silencer
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  Speaker 2: for a test shot. When the Oslo police arrived at
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  Speaker 2: the scene, they quickly came to the conclusion that the
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  Speaker 2: woman's death was a suicide. There were no signs of
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  Speaker 2: struggle or for sentry, and since the door had been
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  Speaker 2: double locked from the inside, it seemed impossible that an
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  Speaker 2: intruder could have exited the room and locked the door
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  Speaker 2: behind them, and even though the room's window was open,
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  Speaker 2: there was no balcony or means to use for an escape.
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  Speaker 2: The woman had registered at the hotel under the name
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer Fairgate and listed contact information for Belgium, but things
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  Speaker 2: became a lot more complicated when the Oslo police got
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  Speaker 2: in touch with the Belgian authority about notifying next of kin.
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  Speaker 2: They soon learned that most of the contact info was false,
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  Speaker 2: and there was no record of anyone named Jennifer Fairgate,
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  Speaker 2: and sure enough, a search of room twenty eight oh
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  Speaker 2: five failed to turn up any official identification for her.
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  Speaker 3: So this is really interesting because when you look at
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  Speaker 3: this idea that the death is suspicious, there's elements of
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  Speaker 3: the case where you start to say, Okay, who is
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  Speaker 3: this person? What was she doing there? That's the kind
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  Speaker 3: of things that kind of raise the hair on the
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  Speaker 3: back of your neck. But you also have to think
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  Speaker 3: about the security guard who's standing there and he's watching
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  Speaker 3: for someone to come out as if there was a confrontation.
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  Speaker 3: He's scared that the shooter could come out into the
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  Speaker 3: hallway and actually injure him as well. He's very well
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  Speaker 3: aware that there's no other way out of that room,
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  Speaker 3: so he's sitting there to watch no one comes out,
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  Speaker 3: and when he goes to the room, there's a deceased
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  Speaker 3: female there with a gunshot into her forehead. Now we
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  Speaker 3: all know when you're talking about suicide, there's a lot
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  Speaker 3: of kind of trends when you look at male versus
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  Speaker 3: female suicides, and a shooting is a much less common
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  Speaker 3: method for a woman to complete suicide, especially a facial
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  Speaker 3: injury like that, where she can't be buried in an
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  Speaker 3: open casket, those kinds of things. But what if Jennifer
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  Speaker 3: is doing something where no one cares, no one knows
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  Speaker 3: where she is, no family's going to come forward, and
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  Speaker 3: so she doesn't care about those things, and it really
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  Speaker 3: is a suicide. Is that a potential in this case?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. And the only reason they've explored
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  Speaker 1: the possibility that this could have been a murder is
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  Speaker 1: that the security guard was gone for about ten or
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  Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Even though he looked at the room for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, he went downstairs to get help. So
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  Speaker 1: if there was a killer inside, they could have snuck
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  Speaker 1: out during that window of time without anyone seeing them.
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  Speaker 1: And as we're going to go into in a little while,
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  Speaker 1: there's been some speculation that this woman was a spy
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  Speaker 1: and was involved in sp and that if she was
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  Speaker 1: killed by someone, it could have been a professional who
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  Speaker 1: locked the door behind them so that it looked like
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  Speaker 1: no one was ever in there. But at the outset
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  Speaker 1: at least, everyone just pretty much assumed it was a suicide,
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  Speaker 1: and that does seem like the most logical explanation. But
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  Speaker 1: even if it was the big mystery is who was
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  Speaker 1: this woman and why did she do this?
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  Speaker 2: Do either of you know how often in the gun
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  Speaker 2: related suicides that people would end up shooting themselves right
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of their forehead.
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  Speaker 1: That is very rare, because I've always heard that there's
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  Speaker 1: a risk that you could pass through your brain and
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  Speaker 1: cause damage but not actually kill you. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of the time people like to
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  Speaker 1: put it in their mouth, because they know that that's
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  Speaker 1: a better opportunity to finish the job. But I've rarely
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of like a gunshot wound at the forehead.
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  Speaker 3: I mean even to the side of the head, under
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  Speaker 3: the chin, or in the mouth. Those are all much
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  Speaker 3: more common, I would think, and especially like I was saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a gunshot wound's going to destroy the visual
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  Speaker 3: component of your face, and so I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we know, women are much more likely to do a
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  Speaker 3: method that preserves the beauty of their face that their
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  Speaker 3: loved one doesn't have to see that there's more emotional
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  Speaker 3: thought to those kinds of things. Doesn't mean that women
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  Speaker 3: don't shoot themselves. They do, but right in the forehead
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  Speaker 3: it seems uncomfortable, awkward, bizarre to even hold a gun
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  Speaker 3: in that manner as well.
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  Speaker 2: Like I could see in a situation where maybe they
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  Speaker 2: only had like a long gun or like a shotgun
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  Speaker 2: and they were trying to like fen angle a position
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  Speaker 2: to do it, but not with a nine to millimeter.
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  Speaker 1: It is odd. You can even assume that she decided
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  Speaker 1: to shoot herself in that manner, hoping that maybe able
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  Speaker 1: to destroy her face and no one will recognize her.
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  Speaker 1: But they obviously left enough that they've been able to
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  Speaker 1: create a composite sketch of what this woman looked like. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'll mention that prior to the Unsolved Mysteries episode, most
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  Speaker 1: of the sources out there referred to this woman as
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  Speaker 1: Jennifer Fergate spelled Feerge instead of Fairgate, which is spelled Fai,
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  Speaker 1: which is spelled fair Gate. I think this confusion came about.
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  Speaker 1: I think this confusion came about because the hotel's booking
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  Speaker 1: department registered her under the name Fairgate when she originally
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  Speaker 1: made a reservation, but she twice signed her last name
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  Speaker 1: as Fergate when she checked in. Since the majority of
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  Speaker 1: the sources seemed to refer to her as Fairgate, that's
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  Speaker 1: theme I'll be using here, and of course, even though
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  Speaker 1: we know her first name isn't actually Jennifer, this is
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  Speaker 1: how we'll be referring to her for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: this episode. Jennifer originally phoned in a reservation to the
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  Speaker 1: Oslo Plaza on made the twenty second, and called the
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  Speaker 1: hotel again on the thirty first to confirm the reservation
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  Speaker 1: and informed them that she was planning to check in
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  Speaker 1: that night. It's worth noting that she spoke English during
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  Speaker 1: the first call and German during the second call, where
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  Speaker 1: she also mentioned that she was planning to check in
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  Speaker 1: with a male companion named Lewis Fairgate. This person's first
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  Speaker 1: name is spelled l s, which is how we spelled
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  Speaker 1: the female name Lois in North America, but in French
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  Speaker 1: it's a male name and pronounced Lewis. Jennifer showed up
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  Speaker 1: at the hotel to check in at around ten forty
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  Speaker 1: pm on the evening of May the thirty first, and
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  Speaker 1: her original reservation was for two nights. The rate for
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  Speaker 1: the room was one thousand, eight hundred and forty five
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  Speaker 1: kroner per night, which is around one hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 1: four dollars in American currency, but for reasons unknown Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: was never asked to provide a credit card, and she
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  Speaker 1: did not pay anything in advance. It was also apparent
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  Speaker 1: that Jennifer never provided any identification, because even though the
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  Speaker 1: receptionist had ticked the box on the check in form
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  Speaker 1: where a guest is supposed to write down their passport number,
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  Speaker 1: no information was listed for her contact info. Jennifer did
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  Speaker 1: provide an address for the village of Verlaine, Belgium, which
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  Speaker 1: was located in the promise of Liege and had a
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  Speaker 1: population of around three thousand residents at the time. However,
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  Speaker 1: the street name one forty eight Rue de Lastade in
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  Speaker 1: the postal code seven nine six eight did not actually exist.
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  Speaker 1: The phone number she provided was three five dash six
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  Speaker 1: 's eight dash three two six five four eight, but
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  Speaker 1: six ' eight was not Forlaine's area code, and while
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  Speaker 1: that six digit number did exist in two other area codes,
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  Speaker 1: neither of them were six eight. The phone numbers from
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  Speaker 1: these other area codes were later called, but none of
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  Speaker 1: the people who answered knew anything about Jennifer Fairgate. On
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  Speaker 1: the check in form, Jennifer listed her employer as Serpuce
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  Speaker 1: Belgia spelled cer Bis, and it also did not exist,
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  Speaker 1: though there was a Belgian company at the time called
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  Speaker 1: Cerberus spelled cerder Us. Jennifer's birthdate was listed as August
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  Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen seventy three, which would have made her
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  Speaker 1: twenty one at the time of her death, but after
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  Speaker 1: an autopsy was performed, forensic pathologist estimated that she was
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  Speaker 1: likely between twenty five to thirty five years old.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is interesting when you step back and look
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  Speaker 3: at all of the details. If she truly was let's
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  Speaker 3: say twenty one or even twenty five, what's the likelihood
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  Speaker 3: she's doing something at a high level of putting her
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  Speaker 3: at risk of something like espionage or being a spy.
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  Speaker 3: She's a baby that's so young. Now thirty five, I
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  Speaker 3: could see her having a career or doing something where
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  Speaker 3: she has a background that gets her deeper and deeper
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  Speaker 3: or higher and higher in an organization. But at twenty
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  Speaker 3: one or twenty five, she's just so young. And then
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  Speaker 3: you look at this idea that the front desk receptionist
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  Speaker 3: doesn't ask for a lot of information. Not guaranteed they
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  Speaker 3: required it at the time because we used to be
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  Speaker 3: able to pay cash for a room and you make
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  Speaker 3: up whatever name you wanted. But Obviously Jennifer was not
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  Speaker 3: behaving in a way they raised any kind of suspicion.
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  Speaker 3: There was nothing that made her uncomfortable about running her
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  Speaker 3: a room. She very calmly probably filled out all this
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  Speaker 3: information and didn't raise any alarms and made her need identification,
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  Speaker 3: Like she was smooth enough and calm enough, which then
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  Speaker 3: makes suicide really interesting because how long had she.
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  Speaker 1: Been in the room, Just a couple of days, so
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  Speaker 1: like she didn't immediately go in there and shoot herself,
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  Speaker 1: Like she came in and out a couple of times
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  Speaker 1: over the next few days before it happened.
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  Speaker 3: And it doesn't seem like anyone at the hotel recognized
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  Speaker 3: any kind of distress or change in behavior that would
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  Speaker 3: raise alarm bells. Not that you always can see warning signs,
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  Speaker 3: but you'd think that they would at least be kind
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  Speaker 3: of you know, she seems heavy. Last time I saw her,
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  Speaker 3: she seemed really upset, but we don't have any of that,
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  Speaker 3: so it seems like she presents very calm, She is
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  Speaker 3: very confident to fill out this false information. So in
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  Speaker 3: that way, you almost feel like, did she come prepared
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  Speaker 3: with all these lies because they were given to her,
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  Speaker 3: or is it just she made them up very comfortably
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  Speaker 3: and didn't care, Like there are people who have no
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  Speaker 3: problem falsifying anything that they say, so so many conflicting
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  Speaker 3: behaviors almost.
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  Speaker 2: When I find it so interesting that she chose this
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  Speaker 2: Belgian company and maybe she just misspelled it, like did
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  Speaker 2: she mean to write Cerberus and write and she wrote
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  Speaker 2: service because Cerberus is the multi headed dog who guards
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  Speaker 2: who's like one of the hounds of Hell, basically who
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  Speaker 2: guards the gates of Hell or Hades. So I wonder
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  Speaker 2: if there's anything symbolic in her choice there.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that. I've seen so many theories
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  Speaker 1: about why she shows her name, why she shows these places,
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  Speaker 1: But this is the first time I've ever heard that
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  Speaker 1: the name of a dog, a hound of Hell, is Cerberus.
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  Speaker 1: So that's an interesting new take.
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  Speaker 3: That is interesting to take a hell hound. That's super cool.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a company that truly was just one
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  Speaker 3: letter off right from what No, No, it's quite a
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  Speaker 3: few letters off if you look at she spelled it
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  Speaker 3: ceer Bis, a six letter word, and then you have Cerberus,
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  Speaker 3: which I mean, I don't know, it's not Did they
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  Speaker 3: interview people at the actual company that did exist.
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  Speaker 1: A good question because they probably never even thought of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that at the time, because they just wrote her office
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: as suicide and maybe didn't put two and two together
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and think that, oh the maybe she meant sorebus, So
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: that part of the story is unclear.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: There were also conflicting reports about whether or not Jennifer
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: had a male companion with her, and if he may
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: have been the mysterious Lewis Fairgate, whose name was also
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: listed on the registration card. The receptionist who checked Jennifer
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: into the hotel said that she was alone, but the
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: reception desk supervisor reported seeing Jennifer in the company of
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: a dark haired man who appeared to be between thirty
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: five to forty years old. However, it's possible that the
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: man was not with Jennifer when she first arrived, but
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: was present when she went down to the lobby to
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: make a currency exchange, about an hour and a half
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: after she originally checked in. Whatever the case, no trace
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: of this man could be found after Jennifer's death, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: there was no record of any man named Lewis Fairgate
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: with Interpol or any other databases. But it was established
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: that Jennifer received two key cards when she checked in,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: both of which were found inside of her room following
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: her death. The only fingerprints which could be found in
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: the room matched Jennifer, but when they were run through
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: interpool there was no match and no missing persons report
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: on file for anyone matching her description. A review of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: airline passenger lists for all flights that arrived in Oslo
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: on the night Jennifer checked into the hotel also failed
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: to turn up any leads.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: It is interesting when you look at Lewis Faregate, it's
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Fairgate as well. So is she presenting as if
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: this person would have been her husband, her partner, her brother.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Who is this person to her right? They have no idea.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: His name could also be fictitious. And then, like you said,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: we're not even sure that this dark haired man was
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: definitely linked to her right when she first arrived. So
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it's bizarre that there's so many elements of this story
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: that exists. I mean, she's lied from start to finish
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: about what she's doing there, who she is, and who
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: she's with. So I do find it interesting that their
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: name's match, and how did they find out the name?
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: This is just the registration card, Like she's going to
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: have this guest come check in with her.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when she originally made the reservation, she said she
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was going to have a companion named named Lewis Fairgate.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: But of course there are conflicting reports about whether this
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: man was actually with her, because the receptionist when she
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: checked in said that she did not see a man. Sorry,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: he did not see a man with her, But another
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: cleric thought that they saw a man with Jennifer later
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: on when she made a currency exchanged. But they've never
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: established if this man ever entered the room at any point,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and of course, if he was with Jennifer during or
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: stay in the hotel, we have no idea what happened
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to him afterwards.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: And what if he was just some random guy that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: she was talking to, like while she was in line
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for the currency exchange, and the supervisor thought that they
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: were together, but they were actually just in conversation. Like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: we don't even know if this Lewis Fairgate was completely fictitious,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: if he even existed at all, Like, I mean, not
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: him by name, but some man that she was going
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to meet exactly.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible that maybe she was playing to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: check in with a man, but he didn't show up,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and maybe that played a role in her suicide.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: There also could be an underlining mental health issue where
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: you have someone who has built up such a fictitious
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: life and she has all of these just kind of
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a confidence in a lie, and it's all to cover
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: something else, right that she functions as if, Oh, I'm
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: coming to this hotel and I have a partner who's
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: going to meet me, or my husband's going to come
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: meet me, and she just, you know, fills out this
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: form with no real information. Some of the signs point
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: to someone who's kind of lost touch with reality as well.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: She got really lucky with her check in that they
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: didn't ask for more information.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Especially since this is pretty much the fanciest hotel at Oslo.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: It's like you would think that a place like that
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is going to check all sorts of thing like require
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: credit card identification, even back in nineteen ninety five, I'm
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: sure a luxury hotel would do that. In addition to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the lack of identification for Jennifer, a search of the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: room failed to turn up any money, credit cards, plane tickets, photographs,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: or keys, and oddly, she also did not possess any
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: toilet trees. Or cosmetics such as a toothbrush or hair brush.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But here's a full inventory of items which were found
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in room twenty eight oh five. At the time of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: her death, Jennifer was dressed in a black thigh length
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: cotton jacket, a bra, black silk pajama shorts, stockings, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: black pumps. Other items of clothing in the room were
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a cotton sweater, a sleeveless blouse, three light colored bras,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a gray blazer, a long black leather jacket, and a
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: long trench coat. Curiously, other than what she was wearing,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Jennifer did not have any additional items of clothing for
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: her lower body, such as pants, skirts, or shoes. To
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: make things even stranger, the brand tags have been removed
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: from most of Jennifer's clothing, and the shoe manufacturer's name
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: was removed from the insoles of her pumps. The only
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: item which did have a label was the blazer, which
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: was traced to the German fashion house Renee Lizard, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: it likely wasn't removed because it could have destroyed the
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: blazer's lining. In addition, Jennifer had a gold ring on
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: her right middle finger, which was also likely manufactured in Germany.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: A gold ring in her left ear and a Citizen
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Aquilon diving watch on her wrist. It was determined that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the Browning nine millimeter pistol was originally manufactured at a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: factory in Herstel, Belgium in nineteen ninety or nineteen ninety one,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: but it contained no ceial numbers, as it appeared they
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: were burned off by acid, making the gun impossible to trace.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Aside from the two bullets which had been fed, there
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: were seven rounds inside the pistols magazine and a black
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: bronze boofal attached. A case was found in the room
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: containing twenty five additional bullets, but no other items. Jennifer's
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: other possessions included a turquoise green travel bag from the
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: German manufacturer Travelight, as well as a nearly empty bottle
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of Bungaro poor lom, a cologne for men. The room
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: also contained three empty soda bottles and an open bag
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: of potato crisps taken from the mini bar.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Jennifer checked in for a couple of days, and that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: all the clothes that they found there for her. When
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: you think of the behavior and this idea that all
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the labels were removed from her clothes. One of two
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: things is happening this kind of paranoia or the need
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: to remove the identification of these designers or whatever. Or
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: it could be as simple as back then we really
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: didn't think about this, but a sensitivity to tags and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: things like that, or this kind of I don't know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: she could have an OCD obsession where she needs to
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: have the name taken off right where she doesn't like that,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: but to the extent of the gun has the numbers
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: removed via acid. That's a little extreme, right, Like my
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: late heavy buddy used to have to cut every single
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: tag out of his shirts. Reagan cannot have things that
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: have tags on him. It's just this, you know, sensitivity
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: to things. And but none of them are going to
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: remove like burn off logos. They're simply cutting tags out.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: So I don't know that that's actually what's happening here,
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: but very bizarre behavior.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: And just for some context, I just looked up on
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Perplexity what would have been the cost of a Renee
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Liizard blazer in nineteen ninety five, and they said it
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: was like mid to high luxury range and somewhere between
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: three hundred to eight hundred US dollars.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, there definitely were signs that this woman had
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of money, and as actually pointed out, like
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: some people think it's really mysterious when people remove like
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: tags and labels from their clothing. They think it's a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: sign that they're a spy and trying to get rid
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: of their identity. But whenever I see online discussions about
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: cases like these, all off and see people say, well,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: that's exactly that something I want to do. I like
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to remove tags just because they make me feel uncomfortable,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: So you shouldn't really read anything into that, though I
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: do agree like the fact that the serial number was
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: burned off by acid on the gun is a bit
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: unusual and does suggest that even if she wasn't a spy,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that maybe she might might have been involved in criminal
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: activity or something.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I think removing tags can be pretty common. I mean,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: some people are very sensitive. Other people have sensory processing disorders,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and I think if you're on the autism spectrum, quite
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a few people don't like that sensation. I'm somebody who's
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: quite sensitive to scratchy fabrics, so if it's a tag
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that's even slightly scratchy, it will be the only thing
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that I think of but the labels off of shoes
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is interesting because you're not going barefoot in a shoe,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: so you'd think it would almost bother you more because
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: they're so anchored into your shoe. You'd almost have to
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: like cut it out, and it would maybe potentially create
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: even more of an uncomfortable sensation because you're then exposed
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: to other fabrics. Jennifer's official description was that she was
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: five foot two or five foot three and weighed one
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty seven pounds, and she had blue eyes
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: surrounded by make up, and short crop black hair that
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: may have been dyed. She had also undergone extensive dental
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: work done with gold and porcelain, a practice which is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: typically done in the United States, Switzerland, Netherlands, and Germany.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: The Oslo police held on to Jennifer's body for over
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a year in hopes that someone would come forward to
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: identify her, but when this failed to happen, she was
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: buried in a pauper's grave at Oslo's Vestra Grovelin Cemetery
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in June of nineteen ninety six. The only people who
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: attended Jennifer's burial were the pallbearers who carried her casket,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and she did not receive a headstone. However, the case
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: captured the attention of a Norwegian investigative journalist, Lars Christian Wegner,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: who would spend the next two decades chronicling Jennifer's story
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: and trying to figure out her true identity. Unfortunately, since
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: the Oslo police instantly concluded that Jennifer took her own life,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: no homicide investigation was ever performed. The room's bedsheets or
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: pillow were never taken into evidence, very few witnesses at
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: the hotel were questioned, and none of the surveillance footage
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: from the hotel's numerous security cameras were ever reviewed. While
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a toxicology screening was performed to check Jennifer's system for alcohol,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: which came up negative, they never checked for any traces
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: of drugs. Following Jennifer's burial, the Oslo police chief ordered
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: the disposal of most of her personal items and other
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: pieces of evidence, including skin samples taken from her hands
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: and her jewelry which was sold at auction.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: How sad when you think of this, So you have
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: a person who's twenty one to thirty five years old
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: and she's literally buried into a ground with no headstone
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: marking who she is. There's nobody there at her funeral
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: no matter what's going on. Let's say she's a deep criminal.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Let's say she's you know, a crazy spy, or she's
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: involved in something that's bad, decisions that make her going
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: down a dark path right, influenced by a whole lot
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of things. But there's somebody that gave birth to that
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: baby girl, and there's somebody who loved her, and so
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: it's really sad when you step back and you think about,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: we really know nothing about her, and someone's going, I
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: wonder what happened to this person that at one point
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I was close with and she just disappears. I mean,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: it seems insane when you think about the fact that
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: I could literally just disappear and no one knows what
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: happened to me, and they're not able to link who
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I am here. It is really interesting because you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: is she on sites where people are looking for a
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: missing loved one. Is she being kept alive in a
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: forensic sense where they can go back and test these things?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Would they go back and test these things? Or is
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: it just people like us who are remembering how bizarre
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: and sad it is and we're the only ones who
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: were talking about her.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Well, thankfully. That seems to be like a hobby on
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: the internet for a lot of these cases involving John
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: or Jane does where people spend a lot of time
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out who they are and match them
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: up to missing persons. And in the past several years,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: we've seen a number of John and Jane does finally
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: get identified thanks to DNA and genetic genealogy, and more
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: often than not, when they contact the victims' families, they say, oh, yeah,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: I remember when such and such went missing, like thirty
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: forty years ago, and we didn't know, We didn't think
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: that they were dead. We just figured that they kind
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: of went off and started a new life or something
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and broke off all contacts. So then it becomes a
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: major shock to them when they find out that the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: loved one is buried in a pauper's grave somewhere that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: they're not even from. And there's a good chance that's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the same thing with Jennifer's case.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: And she was kind of at that time where she
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: was right on the precipice of like the Internet exploding.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Not everyone had computers in their home in nineteen ninety five,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: not everybody had a cell phone. The world was just
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: becoming more connected. I think she was just at that
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: tail end of people having that ability to just kind
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of fall off the face of the earth, and loved
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: one saying something like, oh, I thought they went off
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: to start a new life. I didn't think that they
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: had passed away. So the timing is kind of unfortunate there.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she just does this like a couple of years later,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure someone might have figured out who she
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: is by now. So after Lars Christian Wagner took an
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: interest in the case, he constructed a timeline to explore
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the events which took place in the days prior to
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's death, and he noticed some additional oddities. The Oslo
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Plaza had key cards which automatically logged a time someone
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: used them to enter the room, and they showed Jennifer
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: entering room twenty eight oh five total of five times
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: during her stay. The car was first used at ten
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: forty four pm on the evening of Wednesday, May the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: thirty first after Jennifer checked in, and used again at
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: twelve twenty one am on Thursday, June the first, likely
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: after she went downstairs to do a currency exchange. She
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: next used it later that morning at eight thirty five am,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: possibly after she left the room to get breakfast. On
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the morning of Friday, June the second, Jennifer appeared at
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: the front desk in order to extend her stay at
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the hotel for an additional two nights, and she was
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: then logged entering her room at eight fifty and eleven
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: oh three am. One of the staff members would recall
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: having witnessed Jennifer enter her room that morning and placing
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a do not disturb sign on the door, where it
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: remained until her body was discovered on the evening of Saturday,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: June the third. But here's where things get a bit strange.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: At twelve forty four pm on Thursday, June the first,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a pair of maids entered Room twenty eight oh five
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: in order to clean it, and they can firm that
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: no one was there since Jennifer's key card had been
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: used at eight thirty four am, but was not used
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: again until eight fifty am the following day. This implied
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: that Jennifer had left her room sometime on Thursday morning
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and spent the night elsewhere until she showed up at
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the front desk on Friday morning. However, no one could
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: confirm Jennifer's whereabouts during this nearly twenty four hour window.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: So do they go and actually look at the cleaning
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: lady's key cards as well, because if they have this
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: missing key activation right, that there's actually no in and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: out for Jennifer after this point, and the cleaning staff
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: says that they actually went in the room and nobody
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: was there. Is it possible that they had their timeline
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: wrong and that do not disturb sign actually kept them
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: from going in that room, or is there a proof
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: on the computer system that they used their master key
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: to get into that room.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: That's a good question because I do know that they
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: TechEd Jennifer's key card, but I don't know if they
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: had the resources to check the maid's key cards, because
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I do think that's a possibility that they were mixed
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: up at their times, or they were mixed up at
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the room they went into, because I can only imagine
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: how many rooms they clean within the course of a day,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: so they could have totally mixed up Jennifer's room for
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: another room, or just got in their dates mixed up.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So do you guys think that during that twenty
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: four hour window Jennifer disposed of some sort of like
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: skirt or pants because she had two long jackets, like
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: a trench and a long leather jacket. But I just
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: can't get past the fact that what was she wearing
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: like silky shorts or something.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me just double check here, Yeah, black silk
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: pajama shorts but nothing over it, no pants, and she
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: had some stockings but nothing to cover them.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So theoretically she could have come into the hotel wearing
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: her trench coat or her long leather coat and been
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: wearing absolutely nothing on the bottom and nobody would even know.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: That is possible. I mean, I don't know how likely
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it is, but I do think there is some credence
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: to the theat that she could have spent that twenty
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: four hour window disposing of personal items which could have
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: provided some sort of clue to our identity. We're going
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: to talk more about this in episode two. But you
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: might remember the episode we did sometime last year about
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a man named Peter Bergman who checked into a hotel
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: in Ireland and over the course of the next few
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: days you could see him going in and out and
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: he was probably disposing of all of his personal items
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: so that he couldn't be identified. So I think there's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: a chance Jennifer did the same thing.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: That was literally the case that I thought of. I
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: remembered him carrying like a plastic bag or something like that,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and he was seen disposing of that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Correct, he wasn't seen disposing of it, but the lobby
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: security camera kept showing him walking out of the hotel
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: carrying these bags, but when he were returned, he had
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: nothing in his hands, so it was very likely that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: he was going out to dispose of whatever was in
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: these bags at various locations.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: In another odd detail, one of the maids who cleaned
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the room on June first recalled seeing a pair of colorful,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: high heeled shoes, but they were never found, and the
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: maid confirmed that these shoes were different than the black
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: pumps that Jennifer was wearing at the time of her death.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: The maids also noticed two doubey comforters were on the bed,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: but since only one of them had been used, they
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: decided to place the second duvet inside the closet, but
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: when Jennifer's body was found, both duvets were lying next
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: to each other on the bed, suggesting that a second
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: person may have stayed in the room at some point,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: since Jennifer never provided a credit card or paid for
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the room when she checked in. A message was sent
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: to the rooms television at two nineteen pm on Thursday
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: afternoon requesting that she come down to the front desk
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to see the cashier. It was not until Jennifer returned
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to the room nineteen hours later when she finally hit
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the ok button to respond. But Jennifer never went to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: see the cashier, and even though a second notice was
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: sent to the TV sometime on Friday and she responded
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: by hitting okay, she still never showed up at the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: front desk. The last confirmed witness to see Jennifer alive
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: was an employee wh went to a room at eight
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: twenty three pm on Friday evening to deliver some broughtworst
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and potato salad that she'd ordered from room service. Jennifer
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: gave her a tip of fifty kroner, which was considered
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: to be quite generous for a room service tip, But curiously,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the employee claimed that Jennifer was dressed in a suit
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: which resembled a flight attendant's uniform, and she also noticed
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: a rolling suitcase on a trolley. Neither the suit nor
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the rolling suitcase could be found in Jennifer's room following
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: her death, but it's worth mentioning that the Broughtworst and
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: potato salad the Jennifer had ordered was still there at
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: the time she was found and had only been half eaten.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: The presence of the unfinished meal had been the source
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: of confusion, as fifty milli liters of undigested food, including Broughtworst,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was found in Jennifer's stomach. This would seem to indicate
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that Jennifer ate something a short time before she died,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: even though this meal was delivered to a room nearly
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: twenty four hours before her body was found. At seven
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: thirty six pm on Saturday May third, the front desk
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: receptionist notice that Jennifer had exceeded her credit limit, so
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: she sent an urgent message to the room's TV screen
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: requesting that she contact the cashier immediately. Even though someone
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: in the room responded by hitting okay, the receptionist was
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: still concerned enough to send security upstairs to knock on
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Jennifer's door, and that's when espin Ess heard the gunshot
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: At seven point fifty.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: So many bizarre things are happening here. The most concerning
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: and bizarre thing to me is that flight attendant's uniform
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: she was supposedly wearing, and that she has this rolling
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: suitcase on a trolley, because where is it. The food
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: not so bizarre if you ordered food and you're kind
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: of hold up in a hotel room. It's a nice hotel,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: So I bet that they had, you know, microwaves and
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: our little fridge and things like that, so she could
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: have ordered that food, had a couple bikes and I'm like,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I'm going to save it for tomorrow night, right, and
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: had who knows what else she had in her room
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: that she could eat. But what's very bizarre as well
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: is when that knock happens on the door. Right, There's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: all these times she's being reached out to, you need
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: to come pay, you need to come pay, you need
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: to come pay. Please come see us, you need to
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: come pay. And then when they go knock, they hear
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: this gun shot very shortly after where I mean, what
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: would cause that? Like they just happened to be there
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: in that one moment that she was sitting there about
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: to end her life anyway, and then she pulls the trigger.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: It's not the stress of the money necessarily, because she's
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: clearly ordering food and paying for it. So it's just
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: it's odd timing that that shot comes shortly after someone
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: knocks on our door. Supposedly house cleaning had knocked, Supposedly
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: other people had been by, and she was being communicated
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: with or at least attempts before that. She didn't have
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: to open the door, So why shoot yourself?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Does this seem odd too, that she's allowed to get
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: room service even though she's been delinquent on paying her
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: room bill for X amount of days?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems so weird, like that the hotel let
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: her get away with something for days without like demanding
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that she pays something, and they're even still sending a
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: room service. It's unusual enough that they let her check
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: in without a credit card to begin with. But my
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: theory has always been that if she was suicidal, that
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: she maybe just decided I want to spend the last
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: few days of my life in a luxury hotel. And
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: then when she got the last message saying that you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: need to contact the cashier immediately, she realized, Oh the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: jig's up. They're going to throw me out of here eventually,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: So that could explain why she decided to shoot herself
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: right after she heard the knock on the front door,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: because she feared she was going to be ejected.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was a money issue, because if she went
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: to the front desk, they would demand that she pay
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: up to date, whereas maybe she only had like enough
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: money to pay for this last meal or something to
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: that effect, and so that's why she didn't go down
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: and settle her bill, because you'd think if she had
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the money and she was intending to end her own life,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: you would just feel good about yourself at the end,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: go and pay your bill, because these people are not
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: only going to have to deal with the trauma of
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: finding your body, it's going to disrupt the flow of
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: everything at the hotel. So you'd think that the one
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: thing that you would do would be to pay your
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: bill if you could afford it.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: But it's possible she couldn't because people have wondered. That
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: tip of fifty kroner that she gave to the room
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: service person was a lot more than usual, so it
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: could have been the last money she had and just
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: felt I'm going to like give this as a tip
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: for my last meal, and then by the time they
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: throw me out here, I'm just gonna shoot myself instead.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: There were a few other odd details when Jennifer's body
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: was found, and iron and ironing board were found inside
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the room, items which would ordinarily have to be ordered
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: from the front desk, but it's unclear if Jennifer ever
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: requested them. It appeared that a bathrobe and towel inside
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the bathroom had recently been used, and there was an
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: open bar of soap and an open bottle of shampoo.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: This suggested that someone had taken a shower shortly before
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's body was discovered, though it cannot be determined if
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: it was her. There was also a newspaper bag containing
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: a copy of the USA Today paper which had the
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: number twenty eight sixteen written on it, as well as
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: an unidentified fingerprint. Since it was common practice for the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: hotel to deliver complimentary newspapers to the guests, the bank
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: may have belonged to room twenty eight sixteen down the hall,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: but by the time this was pursued, hotel registration records
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: have been destroyed. However, a woman who had been staying
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: in the adjoining room twenty eight eighteen reportedly told police
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: that she had seen what she described as a quote
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: unquote suspicious foreign couple near room twenty eight oh five
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: around the time of Jennifer's death, but this lead was
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: never followed up on. During his investigation, Lars Christian Wegner
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: learned that a man from Belgium, whom he is only
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: referred to as mister F, had been staying in room
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: twenty eight oh four, directly across the hall from Jennifer
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: during the time period he was there. Mister F was
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: never questioned by police, but Wagner managed to track him down,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and mister reff claimed that he remembered one of the
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: employees asking him about Jennifer's death as he was checking
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: out the problem. Mister F said that he checked out
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: on the morning of Saturday, June the third, and Jennifer's
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: body was not discovered until later that evening. When Wagner
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: pressed him about this is mister F had no explanation
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: for this discrepancy. Even though the Oslo police destroyed a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: lot of evidence from the case, they still held onto
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's gun, and when Wagner showed it to some weapons experts,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: they concluded that it was not actually an authentic Browning
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: nine millimeters pistol. Instead, it was made up of parts
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: from several weapons which were produced by a Hungarian factory
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: during the nineteen sixties and seventies, and the only part
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: of the gun which was actually produced in a Browning
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: factory in Belgium during the early nineteen nineties was the barrel.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Very interesting that a twenty one year old or let's
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: say a twenty five year old is going to have
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: this piece maled weapon and one with the serial numbers
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: taken off, but also just kind of this put together weapon,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: not that she's going to know how to build a
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: weapon like that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very bizarre. Like there's so many signs here that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you would think that, well, she's just an ordinary woman
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: who just decided to check into a hotel. But then
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: when you look at the firearm and how unusual it was,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you think to yourself, she had to be involved with something,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: if not necessarily espionage, maybe she was involved in criminal
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: activity of some sort.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: And mister f there was really no follow up with him, right,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: like he had his story and then all of a sudden,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: okay it.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Is, but it is.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: It's a suicide, so we just close the case.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Well, he wasn't questioned during the original investigation. It was
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Lars Christian Wegner, the journalist, questioning him years after the fact,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: and I don't believe the police ever followed up on it.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Though I can't give him the benefit of the doubt
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that because he was recalling the situation for many years earlier,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: maybe he was mistaken about hearing about Jennifer's death when
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: he checked out, So I don't know if that is
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: an indicator that he had some inside knowledge of her death.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: So it's possible that he's actually mixing his reality with
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: what he recalls from the media and they're just getting convoluted.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: It could be a very innocent explanation, or it could
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: be something that should have been looked into further. But
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: like we said, one, since a ruled a suicide and
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: not a questionable death or a homicide, there really probably
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't any more attention given to it from law enforcement perspective.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: The mysterious nature of Jennifer's death led to speculation that
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: she may have been a spy or an intelligence agent
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: involved in a covert operation, and perhaps her suicide had
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: been staged. Even though she had supposedly fired a weapon,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: there was a surprising lack of gunshot residue or blood
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: spatter on her right hand. The gun appeared to be
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: positioned upside down in Jennifer's hand, and her fingerprints could
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: not be found on it. Since a nine millimeters semi
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: automatic weapon generally had a strong recoil, one expert believed
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: that the gun should have fallen out of Jennifer's hand
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: after she fired it, or at least left some scratches.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Remarks when Espiness heard the gunshot after knocking on the
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: door and headed downstairs. Room twenty eight oh five was
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: technically left unguarded for fifteen minutes before the security chief arrived,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: and the Oslo police would not show up there for
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: at least an hour. So could an unknown party have
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: shot Jennifer, place a nine millimeter pistol in her right hand,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and then somehow manage to escape the room undetected. Well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: If you watch the Unsolved Mysteries episode which aired in
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty, it features an interview with Ola
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: caldeger who had once been the group leader for a
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: section of the Norwegian intelligence Service. Caldegar found it very
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: unlikely that Jennifer's death was a suicide, and even though
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Room twenty eight oh five had been double locked from
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: the inside, he said the people who work in professional
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: intelligence organizations would be trained on how to manipulate a
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: door and lock it behind them without leaving any evidence.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Caldegar also said that if an intelligence agent was killed
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: in the line of duty, it was common practice for
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the government to inform the agent's family about their death
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and take care of them financially for the rest of
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: their lives, on the condition that they remain quiet about
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the situation. If Jennifer had been an agent who was
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: murdered under these circumstances, this could explain why no one
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: ever came forward to identify her. Wegner made a trip
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: to Berlain, Belgium, the village which Jennifer had listed on
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: her registration card, but even though he circulated the composite
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: sketch of her face among the village's residents, no one
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: was able to positively identify her. We mentioned earlier that
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the address Jennifer provided did not exist, and birth records
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: could find no listing for any village residents who were
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: born on the date she wrote down. August twenty third,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Absolutely fascinating when you look at this idea that it's
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: common practice. I didn't know that for the government to
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: inform them about the death and then start to take
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: care of the family after their loved one is killed
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: in the line of duty. That is really bizarre and
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: interesting when you look at this death here. If there's
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: some highly trained person who would know how to manipulate
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: these systems and could access her, it would make sense
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: that if the family speaks, they lose their benefits, and
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: we've already lost someone we love, we can't afford to
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: lose the benefits too.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: That would be crazy though, that the family was aware
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: of this case and knew that people were trying to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: identify Jennifer, but they're also saying to yourself, no, please
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: don't do that, because we are getting financial benefits for
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: staying silent or something. So it'll be very interesting if
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: she is identified and they find out that it's a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: situation like that where the family has known all along
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: who she was and what happened to her, but for
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: various reasons they have just been unable to say anything. However, well,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: there was nothing to indicate that Jennifer ever lived in Verlaine.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: There was evidence to suggest she has some knowledge of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the area. While she was staying at the Oslo Plaza,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: phone records showed that Jennifer attempted to make two calls
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: from from Maroon to numbers which did not exist, but
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the zone and area codes for these numbers did belong
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to the Belgian municipality of Jamape Sarsambra, located only seventeen
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: kilometers from Berlin. Interestingly enough, the two non existent numbers
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Jennifer dialed only had a one digit difference between them,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: which implied that she could remember the exact number and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: was trying different digits at random. Back in nineteen ninety five,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: DNA was not collected, and even though police took a
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: blood sample from Jennifer, it was destroyed. One year after
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: she was buried. In November of twenty sixteen, Jennifer's body
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: was exhumed and a full DNA profile was successfully extracted
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: from her body. While DNA analysis could not match her
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: profile to anyone, the results indicated that she was of
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the European heritage, and isotope analysis showed that she likely
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: spent her early years living in the northern section of
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: what was then East Germany. Additional testing was performed on
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Jennifer's time by a Swedish forensic expert named Henrik Druitt.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: During the Cold War era between nineteen fifty five and
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, a lot of above ground testing was
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: performed which involved the detonation of nuclear bombs. As a result,
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: this increased the levels of sea fourteen in the atmosphere
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: and wound up being incorporated in the anomal of people's teeth.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: When Druid examined the sea fourteen content in the anomal
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: of Jennifer's teeth and compared with atmospheric levels from different
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: time periods, he came to the conclusion that she was
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: probably born in nineteen seventy one, making her twenty four
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: years old at the time of her death. Even though
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: the use of genetic genealogy has led to the identification
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of a number of decedents in North America these past
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: several years, the practice has not yet been used in Norway,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: though the authorities are reportedly looking into the possibility. But
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: for the moment, the woman known only as Jennifer Fairgate
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: is still unidentified and the actual circumstances of her death
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: remain shrouded in mystery, So I guess you count say
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the path went Chile.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Try to think of people who are twenty four years old,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: if they've gone to universities, or they've gone through their
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: post high school, through post high school education and things
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: like that. Maybe they're twenty one twenty two when they
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: start looking for their career, or maybe eighteen, right, But
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: what secret service or what kind of government agency would
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: be seeking out an eighteen nineteen twenty two year old
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: to be doing these secret missions. Wouldn't they be looking
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: for an agent who's older and who looks younger.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I've seen so many fictional movies, stuff like Black Widow,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: where they tell stories about like young children who are
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: recruited and trained to be in assassins. Well, they're still
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: like eight or nine years old, and then by the
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: time they're in their early twenties they're very skilled. But
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a reality, if they ever
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: trade children like that in real life. But yeah, otherwise,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: it does seem weird that's someone so young would be
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: involved in like a top secret espionage thing at such
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a point in their life. You would think they would
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: have to have years of training before they could pull
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: that off, so, needless to say, I was pleasantly surprised
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: when Unsolved Mysteries decided to feature this story on an
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: episode of the reboot. I had already read about the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Fairgate case on Reddit and Stephen Pacheco did an
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: episode about her on the Trace Evidence podcast a few
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: months beforehand, but it was great to see an unsolved
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: mystery from Norway get worldwide exposure on Netflix because the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: more eyes that see Jennifer's face, the better chance there
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: is of her being identified. It goes without saying that
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: the past several years have been an amazing time in
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the true crime world when it comes to unidentified decedents,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: as so many John and Jane Does have gotten their
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: names back thanks to the usage of genetic genealogy and
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: DNA profiling. But like I just mentioned, genetic genealogy is
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: not a practice which is being used yet for criminal
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: investigations in Norway, and I have no idea what the
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: legalities would be to implement it. However, after the Unsolved
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Mysteries episode came out that composite sketch of Jennifer Fairgate
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: was circulated everywhere online, so theoretically, if someone recognized her,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: although would be required is for a living relative to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: come forward and submit their DNA for a comparison. In
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: July twenty twenty two, just a few weeks before I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: covered this case on the Trail Went Cold, it was
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: announced that the Somerton Man had a seton who was
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: found on a beach and the Somerton Park suburb of Adelaide,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: South Australia in nineteen forty eight, had finally been identified
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: as a man named Carl Charles Webb. Even though three
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: and a half years have since passed, the identification has
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: still not been officially verified by law enforcement, but the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: consensus seems to be that one of the most famous
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: mysteries of all time has been solved. Since there are
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: so many strange details surrounding the Somerton Man's death, one
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of the most prominent theories has always been that he
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: was a spy who was involved in espionage, but it
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: turns out that Carl Webb was in all electrical engineer
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: who once worked as an instrument maker, and there's nothing
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to indicate that he was involved in espionage. If he was,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: in fact, the Somerton Man, then his backstory was a
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: lot more mundane than people thought. So could the same
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: logic apply to Jennifer Fairgate. While much like with Jennifer,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: all of the labels have been removed from the Somerton
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Man's clothing, giving off the impression that he was going
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to great lengths to conceal his identity. Indeed, there are
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: quite a few cases out there involving unidentified decedents wearing
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: clothing that had their labels removed, and it seems like
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: this detail always prompts amateur sluice to leap to the
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: spy theory.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of theories that could make sense here.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, there is a potential that she is a
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: spy or she is involved in some kind of underground
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: criminal activity. But like we mentioned earlier, it's also possible
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: that there's just a lot of bizarre behaviors that are happening,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: perhaps even things like dress up and you know, this
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: kind of pathological lying and trying to create a life
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: for herself that makes her feel like she matters or
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: is exciting, and you know, it could boil down to
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: her having a mental health issue that results in taking
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: her own life. It's just all the little details. It
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: seems so bizarre. We went in that room and she
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: wasn't there, I guarantee it. That's what the cleaning people said.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: And then you have where she supposedly has someone in
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: the room with her with the same last name, she's
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: seen wearing the flight, attend an outfit and has a
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: roller case. It's never found where and how did all
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: those things happen? How do you have her not coming
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: out of that room supposedly, but people say that she
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: wasn't in the room.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: There's actually another case from Norway which is frequently being
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: compared to this one, and that's the Isdall woman, a
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Jane Doe, whose burnt remains were found in Isdalin, an
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: ice valley located near the city of Bergen, on November
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: twenty ninth, nineteen seven. When the victim's body was found,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: she was burned so badly that she was unrecognizable, but
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: the authorities ultimately concluded that the Isdell woman likely set
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: herself on fire in a probable suicide. But of course
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: there have been a number of people who disagree without
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: ruling and believe that she was the victim of foul
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: play and much like Jennifer All. The labels had been
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: removed from the Isdall woman's clothing and identifying mark removed
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: from her personal items, so it appeared that great steps
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: were taken to conceal her identity prior to her death.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: The woman had also stayed in a number of local
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: hotels under different names, so the case has always been
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: surrounded by theories that she was a spy. In spite
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: of their numerous similarities, There's probably no connection between the
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Isdall woman and Jennifer Fairgate given the nearly twenty five
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: year gap between their deaths, But knowing what we do
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: know about the Somerton Man and a number of other
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: decedents who'd been identified over the years, it would not
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: surprise at all if the backstories of these women turned
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: out to be a lot more mundane. For other examples
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: of this, look at the cases of Joseph Chandler the
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Third and Laurie Erica Ruff, who are both discovered to
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: be living understolen identities after they took their own lives.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: For years, their deaths were shrouded in mystery, with online
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: sleuths streaming up all of these wild theories about their backgrounds,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: such as them being spies or wanted criminals or escapees
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: from occult but once they were finally identified, it turned
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: out that they were just ordinary people who decided to
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: take on new identities because they wanted to break off
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: all ties with their old life.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: I think so too. There's a very big possibility, Like
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: I said, it almost seems like she's roll playing in
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: some ways that either she's not satisfied, she doesn't enjoy,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: or she psychologically doesn't understand what the reality of her
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: current life is. And so I think it's very possible
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: that there is a very innocent and benign explanation here.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: You have someone who you know, in their mental health crisis.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: They're like scratching the name off their shoes, and they're
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: burning numbers off their gun because they're paranoid and all
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: these things, and or there could be a reason that
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: she needed to do those things. I am more likely
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: to lean towards their some kind of identity break or
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: there's some kind of mental health breakdown in this case
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: than that she's a spy. But you really never know
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: what could have been happening here because the police ruled
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: it a suicide and at that point the investigation stops.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: So I'm praying that you actually get this progress in
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: the genetic genealogy in these European countries, because it literally
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: takes one person dedicated to focusing on Jennifer's DNA and
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: putting it through those systems, and it's a potential we
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: could have the answers like we have here in the
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: US of exactly who this person is. Maybe her family
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: does know she passed away, but if they didn't, can
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: you imagine what it would do for somebody. This was
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety five case that was thirty years ago,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: So there are still people alive today, most likely that
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: want to know where this individual went, that she's missing
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and they didn't get a chance to properly bury her,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: and they could then exhume her body and give her
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: that headstone, give her that funeral, give her the services
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: they deserve, and the whole family could know what happened
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: to their loved one.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And getting back to Carl Webb, the Summerton man,
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: like it was over seventy years before he was identified,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: and most of the people who knew him were already
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: deceased by that point, and they're still putting the pieces
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: of the puzzle together. But when you look into his backstory,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: he clearly had some serious mental health issues of that time,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: so it just seems likely that he was not involved
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: in anything clandestine like espionage, and that he was just
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: experiencing some mental health episode before he took his own life,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: and the whole thing seemed more mysterious than it really was.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: And we still don't all that with Jennifer yet, but
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that is a possibility that a lot of these details
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that are so weird may be nothing more than red herrings.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: So this would be a good time to bring an
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: end to part one. Join us next week as we
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: present part two of our series about the death of
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Jennifer Fairgate.
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