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Best of Brian Thomas - New Year's Eve - The Most Important story of 2025 - Downtown Violence and the lack of response · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Hi, Brian Thomas, Please to welcome to the fifty five
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Speaker 1: Cars Morning Show. Author Richard Battle. Richard is an award
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Speaker 1: winning author, speaker, and media commentator. He's the author of
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Speaker 1: twelve books in counting, including the book we're talking about
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Speaker 1: this morning, America Cans Who Made America? The Growth, Division
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Speaker 1: and Reunification. His book Americans, it's just available right now
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Speaker 1: on fifty five cars dot com sea you can get
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Speaker 1: a copy about it. And I love the name and
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Speaker 1: you have I emphasized the can part of Americans because
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Speaker 1: you emphasized it in the title. It's Amera with all
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Speaker 1: caps cans. We've had struggles and challenges in this nation before.
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Speaker 1: It feels like we're experiencing something that nobody's ever experienced
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Speaker 1: in America. This political division has obviously put the brakes
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Speaker 1: on anything being accomplished in Washington. Of course, we're in
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Speaker 1: the middle of a government shutdown as we speak right now.
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Speaker 1: We've been there and done that before. But you point
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Speaker 1: out that, you know, there have been political divisions, most
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Speaker 1: notably in the eighteen hundreds that nearly broke the nation previously.
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Speaker 1: So is it as bad out there as we perceive
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Speaker 1: it to be, Richard or are we just going through
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Speaker 1: another series of motions that we will see the other
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Speaker 1: side in a positive outcome.
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Speaker 2: Well, Brian, thank you so much for having us with you,
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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you emphasizing the cans also. And the
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Speaker 2: reason that I'm writing this series of books is because
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Speaker 2: I got sick and tired of listening to our media,
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Speaker 2: our politicians, and our culture telling us that we cannot
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Speaker 2: be as good as we once were, our kids can
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Speaker 2: have lives as good as we had, and that were doomed, basically,
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Speaker 2: and this spiral to have less and less over time.
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Speaker 2: And as I thought about it, what I realized was
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Speaker 2: it wasn't the government that made America. It wasn't any
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Speaker 2: political party. It was individual Americans with that can do spirit.
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Speaker 2: When they saw a need, they filled it, When they
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Speaker 2: had a dream, they chased it. And so each volume
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Speaker 2: my highlight of century's worth of forty individuals and kind
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Speaker 2: of how they exercise their can do spirit and in
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Speaker 2: doing so contributed to the country. And as we go
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Speaker 2: into the shutdown, one of the great examples is your
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Speaker 2: former Governor of Ohio, Rutherford B. Hayes in the eighteenth
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Speaker 2: seventy sixth election, which lasted one hundred and fifty days
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Speaker 2: and it helped heal the nation from the Civil War.
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Speaker 2: And it's a fascinating story in Rutherford B. Hayes is
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Speaker 2: one of the people we highlight in the nineteenth Century volume.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think part of the problem is we have
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Speaker 1: had it so good for so long in this country.
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Speaker 1: You know, I know we've we've had wars, and there's
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Speaker 1: been periods of disruption. But for the last you know,
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Speaker 1: several decades, we've been we've had it very easy here.
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Speaker 1: And I think people lose sight when you look back
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Speaker 1: at our history in this period of time that you
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Speaker 1: talk about in Americans who made it? I made America?
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Speaker 1: How in spite of how unbelievably horrific the conditions were
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Speaker 1: and how tough it was just to live your life
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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. We didn't have a
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Speaker 1: social safety welfare and that we didn't have a government
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Speaker 1: check coming in, We didn't have guaranteed loans and business
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Speaker 1: incentives and things. You were on your own, and you
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Speaker 1: were on your own in a time where we didn't
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Speaker 1: have indoor plumbing or we didn't have electricity. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the challenges are insurmountable. You think about the people moving
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Speaker 1: out west, the settlers, and what they faced. It's just
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Speaker 1: I kind of richard in a way, wish that our
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Speaker 1: young people at least had to experience a life like
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Speaker 1: that for a month or more just to get a sensoriality.
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Speaker 2: Well, you're correct, and I tell people that our parents
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Speaker 2: couldn't dream of having the things that we think are necessities,
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Speaker 2: and our grandparents couldn't even conceive of them being available.
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Speaker 2: And so in history, if we look, tough times build
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Speaker 2: strong people and strong leaders, and strong leaders unfortunately lead
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Speaker 2: to weak times because the good times we end up
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Speaker 2: disrespecting them and become weaker, and those week leaders build.
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Speaker 1: Tough times again.
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Speaker 2: And that's kind of the cycle. And we've been in
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Speaker 2: that cycle where we've had week leadership and everything always
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Speaker 2: comes back to leadership. And so we need good, strong
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Speaker 2: leaders across the board. And this is not a political statement.
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Speaker 2: It's not a partisan statement. It's an American statement. And
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Speaker 2: we all when we do things in our lives, and
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Speaker 2: the better we do them, the better we contribute to
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Speaker 2: the success of the country. And we need that moral
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Speaker 2: fiber in the country again to help us as well.
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Speaker 2: The selfless servant leadership that we used to have versus
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Speaker 2: all of this looking for self and materialism that the
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Speaker 2: culture promotes.
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Speaker 1: Richard Battle, author of Americans Who Made America. I think
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Speaker 1: part of the problems we have in America currently is
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Speaker 1: our expectation of our young people are far too low.
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Speaker 1: We passed them to school with elevated grading. They're not
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Speaker 1: ready for college and so they have to take remedia
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Speaker 1: classes in college. We just coddled them along the way.
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Speaker 1: And with that background, I feel free to disagree with
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Speaker 1: you if you want, Richard, But with that sort of predicate,
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Speaker 1: can you choose someone who you highlight in your book
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Speaker 1: Americans who Made It Better? Who was a younger person?
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Speaker 1: I know, for example, our founding fathers, many of them
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Speaker 1: were in their twenties. Could anybody in American and America's
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Speaker 1: education system take on the weight of the responsibility of
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Speaker 1: declaring independence from Great Britain and penning that amazing document
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Speaker 1: that was the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist papers.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you read the language that they wrote
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Speaker 1: and how they were communicating, it reflects a level of
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Speaker 1: intellect that I just don't think we have any more.
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Speaker 2: Richard, Well, I think we have it, but we've discouraged honest,
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Speaker 2: moral people from being in public leadership because of the
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Speaker 2: way that campaigns are conducted, way the media operates, and
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Speaker 2: it's become much more of a power struggle than it
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Speaker 2: has a honorable profession, if you will, in statesmanship, and
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Speaker 2: they say politicians think about the next election, and statesmen
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Speaker 2: think about the next generation. Sam Houston's story I highlight
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Speaker 2: and actually his mother, Sam Houston, I love his leadership.
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Speaker 2: He was the George Washington of Texas if you will,
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Speaker 2: letter of military when we won independence, was the first
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Speaker 2: and third president of a republic, a governor. But when
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Speaker 2: he was nineteen, he was going off with Andrew Jackson
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Speaker 2: to the War of eighteen twelve, and his mother on
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Speaker 2: the back porch told him, if you are courageous, she'll
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Speaker 2: always be welcome here, but if you show cowardice and
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Speaker 2: never darken my door, And then she gave him a
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Speaker 2: small gold ring with a single word on the inside
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Speaker 2: so that only he could see it, and the word
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Speaker 2: was honor. He wore that ring day the rest of
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Speaker 2: his life. Over fifty years. He died with it on
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Speaker 2: It's at the museum outside of Houston at San Jacento.
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Speaker 2: But I envision him every time he had a tough decision,
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Speaker 2: sitting there and twisting that ring and thinking honor, honor, honor,
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Speaker 2: what's the honorable thing to do? And those are the
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Speaker 2: type values we need to be back teaching our kids.
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Speaker 2: And I tell people when I speak, I wish that
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Speaker 2: I'd been given an honor ring, and I highly suggest
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Speaker 2: people considering giving their kids and grandkids honor rings and
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Speaker 2: explaining that story again as well, because if we make
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Speaker 2: longer term decisions, if we make honorable decisions, if we
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Speaker 2: make decisions based on helping others versus self as number one,
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Speaker 2: we will have a better society.
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Speaker 1: This sounds like a book written for every American. So
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Speaker 1: in addition to the Honor Ring, get your young people
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Speaker 1: a copy of Americans Who Made America Growth, Division and Reunification.
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Speaker 1: From my guess today, Richard Battle, It's been our distinct
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Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the program and talking about this
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Speaker 1: inspirational book. And I will strongly encourage my listeners to
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Speaker 1: head on over to fifty five care sea dot com
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Speaker 1: and score themselves a copy and express a willingness to
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Speaker 1: share it with your friends. These are messages that definitely
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Speaker 1: need to be passed along and I salute you Richard
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Speaker 1: Battle for putting this in your book.
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Speaker 2: Well, I thank you very much for having me. And
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Speaker 2: I tell people that my books and speaking speak through
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Speaker 2: them to their kids and grandkids, and that's who we
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Speaker 2: really want to influence going forward. And I close saying
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Speaker 2: God Bless America.
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Speaker 1: God Bless America. And I do see a glimmer of
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Speaker 1: hope out there among younger people pivoting over to a
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Speaker 1: more faith based and of course a more conservative mindset.
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Speaker 1: So let's hope that that continues and we continue to
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Speaker 1: grow and we prove that we America cans can do it.
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Speaker 1: Richard Battle, God bless you, sir, Thanks for being on
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Speaker 1: the morning show. Try to make it a happy Friday.
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Speaker 1: And by way of relativity, me find out your Friday
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Speaker 1: is going much better than you anticipated because you didn't
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Speaker 1: live the rather tragic life of My next guest, Rebecca Lafferty,
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Speaker 1: who's joined the Progerner to talk about her new book,
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Speaker 1: The Lafferty Girl Surviving Trauma, Abuse and My Father's Crimes,
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Speaker 1: a Mormon daughter's story. Rebecca, Welcome to the fifty five
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Speaker 1: Cadsy Morning Show. It's a pleasure having you on today.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, it's pleasure.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I say pleasure knowing full well your experience
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Speaker 1: as a child, which you write about in this book.
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Speaker 1: Your father was a rather troubled individual, and that may
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Speaker 1: be an understatement from your perspective. You can elaborate on that.
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Speaker 1: Let my listeners know about you and I guess around
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Speaker 1: seven years old, you're apparently your dad got radicalized in
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Speaker 1: a certain way. Let's talk about that. Let my listeners know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, my father he was you know, he was
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Speaker 3: raised in kind of a strict household himself, and so
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Speaker 3: he raised us kids very very strict. He was LDS.
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Speaker 3: We followed it to the t, you know, I tried
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Speaker 3: to do everything to the t. And what that was
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Speaker 3: like for me as a child was very There's a
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Speaker 3: lot of violence in on home. I would say correction
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Speaker 3: was over the top for a child. And we also
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Speaker 3: believed that women should be underneath the mail. They are
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Speaker 3: not to be respected or have a voice or opinions really,
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Speaker 3: and so there was always fights because my mom was
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Speaker 3: a very strong thirded woman. Yeah, and this just led
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Speaker 3: to a lot of Like I said, I just saw
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Speaker 3: a lot of violence and experienced it myself grown up
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Speaker 3: with my father and then at seven him going to
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Speaker 3: prison and finding out what had happened later on. It
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Speaker 3: really affected that kind of snowball and affected my life
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Speaker 3: and the relationships.
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Speaker 1: There on the way you described the it's a lot
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Speaker 1: of day saints that the church that sounds like it
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Speaker 1: has a lot of parallels to fundamentalism, Islam and and
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Speaker 1: Sharia law. Is that a safe or comparable thing a parallel?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think anything that you take to a dream,
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Speaker 3: you know, I guess you could compare them. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean it was there was no color. It was
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Speaker 3: black or white, there was nothing really in between. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that was my experience.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So you said he ended up in prison. Let my
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Speaker 1: listeners know how exactly he ended up in prison and
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Speaker 1: not just regular prison to life sentences them all right.
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Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, he took the life of my aunt and
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Speaker 3: her baby, my baby cousins, the filling you know, uh, prophecy.
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Speaker 1: Oh, he killed them related to his faith in some
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Speaker 1: twisted perception, specifically, what's the connection between the real religious
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Speaker 1: fundamentalism and their death?
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Speaker 3: They were well, he was excommunicated from the Eudience Church
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Speaker 3: and then him and his brothers started creating their own
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Speaker 3: church or you know, doing their own thing where it
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Speaker 3: was called the school of prophets, and so they are
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Speaker 3: all profits in a school the oldest pad of revelation,
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Speaker 3: that that this aunt of mine needed to be removed,
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Speaker 3: and that my father was a prophet of he was
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Speaker 3: the hand of God, and so therefore that was his role.
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Speaker 3: And in their twistedness made sense to that bit of.
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Speaker 1: A red flag for an adult in this world. But
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Speaker 1: as a child of I mean, you couldn't speak out
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Speaker 1: against it. And I suppose, given how young you were,
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Speaker 1: you had no basic comparison, no world experience, being hidden
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Speaker 1: from the rest of the world in your home, and
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Speaker 1: how would you know. I guess you were either forced
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Speaker 1: to believe him or you actually believe what he was saying.
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Speaker 1: We're back, am I right on that?
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Speaker 3: Well, there's a part of me that always you know,
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Speaker 3: obviously my father. I look up to him, I trust him,
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Speaker 3: I adored my father, and there was also a part
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Speaker 3: of me that was fearful of him, and I didn't
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Speaker 3: trust everything.
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Speaker 1: And he said the typical child reaction. I suppose at
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Speaker 1: least that part was typical. You know, I my children
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Speaker 1: didn't always listen to what I had to say. So
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Speaker 1: this is a completely autobiographical book. What prompted you to
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Speaker 1: write this because you talk about your struggles and the
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Speaker 1: emotions and everything you went through, and then also you
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Speaker 1: talk about when he reached out to you from prison,
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Speaker 1: which I want to ask you about. But what was
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Speaker 1: the compelling reason for writing The Lafferty Girl.
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Speaker 3: Well, I had somebody that I really admire and trust
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Speaker 3: to recommended that I write my story. And when she talks,
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Speaker 3: I listen, and so I felt, you know, once I
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Speaker 3: get enough of my inner healing work and I was
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Speaker 3: able to get to a place where I could speak
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Speaker 3: from pope and not just the pain, I knew it
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Speaker 3: was time to tell my story. Yeah. Yeah, him reaching
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Speaker 3: out to me from prison was it was healing. That
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Speaker 3: was part of the healing process. He took act ability
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Speaker 3: for some of the things that he how he was
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Speaker 3: was a father with me. He's never acknowledged that what
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Speaker 3: he's done is wrong. He's still holds very very strongly
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Speaker 3: to that he is a prophet and that he is
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Speaker 3: here to fulfill a goal.
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Speaker 1: Now, did you when you how old were you when
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Speaker 1: he when he reached out to you from prison, Because
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Speaker 1: you know that that's on the cover materials too, obviously
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Speaker 1: that was a very profound moment in your life. But
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Speaker 1: how old were you at that time?
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Speaker 3: Yes, So I stayed in communication with him for a while.
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Speaker 3: We had written, we would write back and forth, but
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Speaker 3: then there was a period where I had not heard
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Speaker 3: from him, and then the book Under the Banner of
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Speaker 3: Heaven had come out, and so there was a really
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Speaker 3: long gap, and I would have been thirty five maybe when.
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Speaker 1: We reconnected, So when he's still clinging to this idea
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Speaker 1: that he's a prophet at age thirty five and now
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Speaker 1: capable as an adult reflecting back on your childhood understanding
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Speaker 1: what abuse is and is not. Did you call him
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Speaker 1: out on it? By any chance? You said, you know,
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Speaker 1: are you serious about this profit stuff? I mean that
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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Thomas. That's the kind of the thing, the
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Speaker 1: in conversation I would engage in if it was my
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Speaker 1: dad calling me from prison. You know, I wouldn't pull
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Speaker 1: any punches. I'm just kind of wondering, given the delicacy
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Speaker 1: of the situation, if if you engaged in a process
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Speaker 1: back and forth about that concept, you know.
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Speaker 3: I think I just know I still carried some there
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Speaker 3: around that I you would always talk about it. I
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Speaker 3: just didn't want to hear it coming from his lips.
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Speaker 3: That would just I don't know, it was just another
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Speaker 3: level of reality. I just does not want to go
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Speaker 3: with you know, to with him.
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Speaker 1: See those are words I can hear coming out of
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Speaker 1: my mouth if I was having this conversation my dad,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear this crap dad. That that's anyway?
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Speaker 1: So who did you write? I mean, obviously it's cathartic
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Speaker 1: to write a book about this, get it out of
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Speaker 1: your system, and many people recommends therapists and psychologists like
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Speaker 1: you know, write a journal, get it out of your system,
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Speaker 1: put it on paper. It helps you understand your situation
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Speaker 1: and come to grips with your own reality. But you
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Speaker 1: obviously had an audience you're writing this too. Is this
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Speaker 1: for other people who struggle with abuse and are still
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Speaker 1: dealing with the scars as adults? Is it for women
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Speaker 1: in abusive relationships? Or I mean it sounds to me
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Speaker 1: like there's a whole schmorgas board a potential audience here.
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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what who you had in mind when
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Speaker 1: you wrote it, other than yourself.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really just.
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Speaker 3: Well for all of that compassion for the little girl,
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Speaker 3: you know, compassion and love for my family and the
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Speaker 3: healing that I could bring, and then for anyone that's
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Speaker 3: carrying the silence of shame, and you know, just wanting
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Speaker 3: to not feel alone. And I wrote this because I
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Speaker 3: want people to know they are not alone.
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Speaker 1: It's a good message, it really, it truly is. And
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Speaker 1: you alluded to under the Banner of Heaven in your
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Speaker 1: comments earlier, that's an FX Hulu series And is that
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Speaker 1: still out there that someone did a documentary about your
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Speaker 1: father and the crimes he perpetrated.
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Speaker 3: Correct, John crack was he wrote a book under the R.
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Speaker 3: Sas and he interviewed with my father as he wrote it,
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Speaker 3: and then Hulu data theories on it.
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Speaker 1: Did they interview you for that? I just don't wonder
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Speaker 1: what your reaction is. I can't. I'm just struggling with
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Speaker 1: what my emotions might be. If someone's going to do
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Speaker 1: a series about my father. How did you take that?
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Speaker 3: They never asked, they didn't interview anybody from the family.
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Speaker 3: In fact, a lot of it is there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of fictitious stuff that they've all went into that Hulu theories.
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Speaker 3: Oh and that's how they got around that.
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Speaker 1: Well, another reason to write the book to set the
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Speaker 1: record straight about what you, Rebecca Lafferty, dealt with with
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Speaker 1: him being your father. Well again, the name of the book,
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Speaker 1: The Lafferty Girl Surviving Trauma Abuse in My Father's Crimes,
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Speaker 1: A Mormon Daughter's Story. We've made it really easy for
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Speaker 1: my listeners to get a copy of Rebecca Joe Strecker.
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Speaker 1: My producers put it on the blog page fifty five
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Speaker 1: cares dot com with the link to the site where
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Speaker 1: they can buy it, which all encouraged them to do.
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Speaker 1: And for those out there maybe dealing with similar circumstances
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Speaker 1: or struggles, or maybe you got a render relative that's
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Speaker 1: in this, get a copy of it help maybe help
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Speaker 1: them heal as well. Rebecca, I can't thank you enough
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Speaker 1: for spending this time with my listeners and me this morning,
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Speaker 1: and for putting this all on paper. Brian Thomas here
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Speaker 1: right here, and please welcome Michael Pack. He is a
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Speaker 1: renowned documentary director and we're gonna be talking about his
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Speaker 1: newest release, The Last six hundred Meters, The Battles of
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Speaker 1: Ned Jeff and Fallujah. He is the president of Manifold Productions,
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Speaker 1: independent film and television production company that he founded way
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Speaker 1: back in seventy seven Manifold Productions. Mister Pack have written, directed,
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Speaker 1: and produced numerous award winning, nationally broadcast documentaries, as well
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Speaker 1: as corporate and educational films. Also president of Palladium Pictures.
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Speaker 1: I could go through your film list, but let's dive
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Speaker 1: right onto it. Michael, Well, welcome to the fifty five
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Speaker 1: care Some morning, you should have talk about a very
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Speaker 1: important documentary you released, this Last six hundred Meters. What
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Speaker 1: caused you to gravitate to make this particular film about
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Speaker 1: the battles of ned Jaff and Fallujas are good to
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Speaker 1: have on the program.
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Speaker 4: Well, it's good to be on your program. Well, as
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Speaker 4: you say, I've made a lot of documentaries, fifteen had
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Speaker 4: been naturally broadcast by PBS, but this one had a
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Speaker 4: very unusual path. It's called The Last six hundred Meters
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Speaker 4: the Battles of the Joff and Fallujah because a special
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Speaker 4: force of sniper says in the film, I don't make
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Speaker 4: foreign policy. I delivered the last six hundred meters of it,
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Speaker 4: meaning what he could see through a sniper's scope, right,
19:27
Speaker 4: And we try to stay true to that. It's not
19:30
Speaker 4: about should we be inter rapt with the rap We're
19:32
Speaker 4: good or bad? Was what it was like to fight
19:34
Speaker 4: these battles. These are the biggest battles in America has
19:37
Speaker 4: fought since Vietnam. And we try to tell the story
19:41
Speaker 4: from the point of view the people who fought there,
19:43
Speaker 4: from corporals and sergeants up to the one star generals
19:46
Speaker 4: in the field, and we try to make it a
19:48
Speaker 4: battle story as if it were a great historic battle
19:51
Speaker 4: like b Rejima or Gettysburg. And it is the hard
19:55
Speaker 4: great historic battles. But the path that you asked about
19:59
Speaker 4: have we got the is an odd one. We were
20:02
Speaker 4: researching a film about the Iraq War while it was
20:05
Speaker 4: going on in two thousand and four and five.
20:07
Speaker 5: And.
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Speaker 4: You know, I thought the stories of these battles and
20:12
Speaker 4: these young men and women being were untold, and I
20:16
Speaker 4: conducted the interviews with them in two thousand and seven,
20:19
Speaker 4: three years after the battle, when they were still young
20:22
Speaker 4: and their memories were fresh. And then we completed a
20:26
Speaker 4: version of film in two and eight. And even though
20:29
Speaker 4: it was primarily funded by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting
20:32
Speaker 4: PBS initially declined to broadcast it. They thought it was
20:35
Speaker 4: too pro military. I'm not sure what that means. But
20:38
Speaker 4: that's what they said, and over seventeen years we begged
20:42
Speaker 4: them to broadcast it and finally present the PBS, and
20:45
Speaker 4: what I considered to be a courageous move reversed seventeen
20:49
Speaker 4: years of no to say yes, and we slightly updated
20:52
Speaker 4: it and we put it on PBS. It was broadcast
20:55
Speaker 4: nationally and PBS the day before Veterans Day in the
20:58
Speaker 4: two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Core, and it
21:01
Speaker 4: is now streaming of doing elsewhere. So it's it had
21:04
Speaker 4: a very unusual history, but it's being more relevant today
21:07
Speaker 4: than it was a way.
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Speaker 1: Back when well it could. And see I'm trying to
21:10
Speaker 1: draw parallel attitudes about Vietnam. Why were we battle in
21:13
Speaker 1: the country we don't care about why, Well, the soldiers
21:15
Speaker 1: took the brunt of that when they came. Always felt
21:17
Speaker 1: terrible about that. But the idea into Iraq was predicated
21:20
Speaker 1: on weapons, and guess what, there weren't any there at
21:22
Speaker 1: least that is that part of the resistance, like we
21:25
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in that, ignoring the earl, the death
21:28
Speaker 1: and the awful rh in women on the front line had.
21:32
Speaker 4: To I think I think people couldn't see the because
21:35
Speaker 4: of their ideology, whatever it happened, and it was very
21:39
Speaker 4: much parallel to non war veterans. I think the Iratstan
21:43
Speaker 4: war veterans also done cable don't like their wars too
21:47
Speaker 4: a bunch of fact that these were heroic people, young
21:50
Speaker 4: men and women, upon the line for us, the America,
21:53
Speaker 4: and I think now more clearly. I mean, you know,
21:57
Speaker 4: the very impressive they've done to put their lives a
22:01
Speaker 4: huge reb You can hear this very dramatic, Oh you know,
22:05
Speaker 4: this is you know, people I wore from home at least,
22:08
Speaker 4: so these people are miss doing an unusual thing. And
22:12
Speaker 4: I also think it's meant though it's been twice battles.
22:15
Speaker 4: I think that the world are often in the wars
22:19
Speaker 4: and will be a point to the war in Gaza,
22:23
Speaker 4: you know, and America opt into until we should at
22:26
Speaker 4: least understand that.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I've been in a blessed to talk
22:29
Speaker 1: to a lot of what I always refer to in
22:32
Speaker 1: indoors in Fallujah, and I'm text of I think I
22:35
Speaker 1: had experience. I can certainly step to post dramatic stress.
22:39
Speaker 1: If you're revey or whenever you start kicking, you go
22:41
Speaker 1: into a room. One poet of these brave men. They
22:44
Speaker 1: kick it the room and beneath the food mounted the
22:47
Speaker 1: enemy craft gun and they started the room from beneath
22:51
Speaker 1: the floor. What his pants went right through it. Through
22:53
Speaker 1: that experience you're doing minutes later in the next building,
22:56
Speaker 1: you're doing getting up tomorrow and doing the same thing,
22:58
Speaker 1: operating at that level of adrena, and explain that amount
23:01
Speaker 1: of brave in and day out.
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Speaker 4: It is truly I think that they break down these doors.
23:07
Speaker 4: You don't know when you smash the dress in that
23:10
Speaker 4: you're confronting Alliam that you're supposed to help or it's
23:13
Speaker 4: going to kill you and you've got to kill him.
23:14
Speaker 4: But before you have to make these split level decisions
23:16
Speaker 4: day you know, to time day after day, a lot
23:20
Speaker 4: to ask and a lot of the people be down
23:22
Speaker 4: the doors. The corporal sergeants are eighteen nineteen young men
23:26
Speaker 4: in this case, you know, just out of high school
23:28
Speaker 4: or a college. It's a lot to ask pressure, but
23:32
Speaker 4: I just spent There's been an attention to these that
23:34
Speaker 4: are PTSD and typical. Maybe bad things that happen there
23:38
Speaker 4: like Aditha obscured the fact that yeah they had true
23:41
Speaker 4: but there's also they did we tell the story of
23:45
Speaker 4: hell House. It varied where marines were pinned, had to broauically,
23:50
Speaker 4: or it's to rescue the marines in the house. Now
23:52
Speaker 4: you can see it's going to break into the house
23:55
Speaker 4: to the bars and take his kevler off, having to
23:57
Speaker 4: cross the kill zone where the pins were times. I
24:00
Speaker 4: mean it's very yeah, sure what is doesne hou house?
24:04
Speaker 4: You can see the face, you know, it's just empty
24:08
Speaker 4: stairs and end of all energy. But I think, yeah,
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Speaker 4: there's the PTSD so heroism and valor to notice.
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Speaker 1: But I couldn't agree more with you and port of
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Speaker 1: what they were, what they understand that the questionable circumstant
24:21
Speaker 1: to gravitate over that some profoundly affected to the negat
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Speaker 1: amount of stress for example. But did you get collectively
24:27
Speaker 1: if you had to put them on the folks that
24:29
Speaker 1: you talked about or the talk with when you're making
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Speaker 1: the last six, that they were indeed able to accomplish,
24:34
Speaker 1: that they were prouday with a higher sense of bravery,
24:37
Speaker 1: reflective on their extreme, their sense of purpose. Were they
24:40
Speaker 1: all positive whole experience and looking looking back, hatting themselves
24:44
Speaker 1: on the back that you know, damn it, I entered
24:46
Speaker 1: and I did what I.
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Speaker 2: Was failed.
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Speaker 4: The variety of is about them kind of screening in
24:52
Speaker 4: Washington very really invited all the veterans that many did.
24:56
Speaker 4: But I hadn't seen them in seventeen years older, of course,
24:59
Speaker 4: but they were they were very proud of and they
25:02
Speaker 4: were very bonded to each other and moving experience. Many
25:05
Speaker 4: veterans we can. I think it was their most intense experience.
25:09
Speaker 4: As they said, these guys, even if I haven't seen
25:11
Speaker 4: them for years, they have on waves deeper than whether
25:14
Speaker 4: you know, they've gone through this intense you know. So
25:19
Speaker 4: on the other hand, they all have had trump. Many
25:21
Speaker 4: of them were happy in my film. Finally they couldn't
25:23
Speaker 4: show it to their family, They couldn't really speak about
25:25
Speaker 4: the experience. But yeah, I think they thought, you know,
25:29
Speaker 4: especially the marine that we have quan marine got it. Look,
25:32
Speaker 4: we can win any war and any battlefield that we
25:34
Speaker 4: will win. Get to the objective went on together, the
25:38
Speaker 4: strategic objective to other people's job, and today we could
25:41
Speaker 4: do it. And this guy years later, he's still so
25:45
Speaker 4: I think they over there.
25:46
Speaker 1: I am so happy director of the last six hundred
25:48
Speaker 1: meters is the battles of I have a kind of
25:52
Speaker 1: were these the saddles. I mean, you know when you
25:54
Speaker 1: look in different theory jungle warfare, you got desert was
25:57
Speaker 1: you know, basically door to door as I sort of explained,
26:00
Speaker 1: ntic forms were in the job and fame type of
26:02
Speaker 1: fighting or were there that going on urban warfare?
26:06
Speaker 4: I mean in that sense they're the same, but it's
26:08
Speaker 4: still a flujah in the north and the insurgents and
26:11
Speaker 4: then out against Chia after the Second Battle of Fallujah
26:15
Speaker 4: a month period, you know, the city hit by the
26:19
Speaker 4: mad macana al Sadder and first began in this very
26:22
Speaker 4: weird huge cemetery, multiple and multiple layers below ground and landscape,
26:27
Speaker 4: and then next Monday militia into this grand Uh one
26:31
Speaker 4: of the most holy sides. And then it's a question
26:34
Speaker 4: of how you get it's a political battle and vibrating
26:36
Speaker 4: and then great, there's all these huge kind of apartment
26:41
Speaker 4: they had that the that there's levels and they're found
26:44
Speaker 4: in those buildings. Now a Democratic congressman story of someone
26:48
Speaker 4: in his squad countered in the surgeon undergrounds and the
26:52
Speaker 4: quarters were so close they their machines and so it
26:56
Speaker 4: was turned into a Knight tell the marine urgent with
26:59
Speaker 4: a nice so it gets foodle primitive combat and very
27:04
Speaker 4: strange surreal if I have to kicking down the doors
27:07
Speaker 4: all of the second battle, allus creation on that, but.
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Speaker 1: Still a fair enough from the bots link. Can't thank
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Speaker 1: you enough for document past six hundred meters of battles,
27:16
Speaker 1: and in my listening audience, I had conveterans, many of
27:18
Speaker 1: whom were probably and can certainly relate to it only home,
27:21
Speaker 1: and to a lot of people who really don't get it, haven't,
27:23
Speaker 1: can't understand it, get a load of it. It's right
27:25
Speaker 1: there for everyone to see the last six hundred meters
27:28
Speaker 1: of battles in the joff and Fludium. My guest today,
27:30
Speaker 1: the producer and director of the film, Michael Pack, Thank
27:32
Speaker 1: you again for your service to the country and your
27:35
Speaker 1: service to the men and women who were involved in
27:37
Speaker 1: the conflict and putting the film together. And I will
27:39
Speaker 1: encourage my listeners to check it out. I'm staring at
27:41
Speaker 1: the page right now PBS Documentaries. It's easy to find,
27:44
Speaker 1: and my producer will put a link on my blog
27:46
Speaker 1: page of fifty five kr SE dot com to make
27:47
Speaker 1: it that much easier. This ought to be a real
27:50
Speaker 1: eye opener. I'm happy to welcome to the Pitty five
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Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show author Mike McCormick. He's got an amazing
27:55
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Speaker 1: I mean amazing. Mike McCormick, he is served to get
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Speaker 1: a load of this. Served as the White House stenographer
28:14
Speaker 1: for fifteen years under the President Bush, Vice President Biden,
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Speaker 1: President Trump. He transcribed speeches and meetings across the Oval
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Speaker 1: Office in West Wing and around the world on Air
28:24
Speaker 1: Force one and Air Force two, high pressure, around the
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Speaker 1: clock environments. Again, multiple books, including the one Who's going
28:31
Speaker 1: to be talking about tonight and an almost Insurmountable Evil.
28:36
Speaker 1: How Obama's deep sate defiled the Catholic Church and executed
28:40
Speaker 1: the Wuhan pandemic. Bold statements, Mike, Welcome to the fifty
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Speaker 1: five Carose Morning Show.
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Speaker 6: Hey Brian, thanks for having me.
28:47
Speaker 1: So you note in your materials and of course in
28:49
Speaker 1: the book, that you know, questioning the Pope a little
28:53
Speaker 1: bit difficult for Catholics around the world to do that,
28:55
Speaker 1: and not being Catholic, I questioned authority all the time.
28:58
Speaker 1: I mean, if it was if I was, like I'd
29:00
Speaker 1: questioned the Pope if I disagreed with the direction he
29:02
Speaker 1: was going. But I know that's a little difficult. But
29:04
Speaker 1: the Pope and Obama and Biden worked together. And I
29:13
Speaker 1: explain to my listeners in boil down terms, in what
29:16
Speaker 1: way they worked together along these nefarious lines.
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Speaker 6: Well, what happened was I was in the White House
29:22
Speaker 6: as a stenographer and I listened to Joe Biden talking
29:26
Speaker 6: over and over. I was primarily his stenographer, and at
29:31
Speaker 6: one point in time I had an idea what was
29:34
Speaker 6: the worst what was the most evil thing Joe Biden
29:37
Speaker 6: ever talked about? And I could quite easily picture it.
29:42
Speaker 6: He talked at length about his close relationship with a
29:46
Speaker 6: very bad man named Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick
29:52
Speaker 6: was a prominent Catholic clergyman in Washington who was abusing
29:57
Speaker 6: altar boys and seminarians throughout his career. Secretly, Biden used
30:03
Speaker 6: to know knew Biden had this guy as basically his
30:06
Speaker 6: spiritual advisor. So what I did was. I started looking
30:10
Speaker 6: into White House visitor logs, Well, what about this guy
30:13
Speaker 6: cardin McCarrick. Was he going in there? Turns out he
30:15
Speaker 6: was going in there a lot, and he was dealing
30:17
Speaker 6: directly with Obama and Biden and a guy named Dennis
30:22
Speaker 6: McDonough who was a White House chief of staff, and
30:25
Speaker 6: he was going in and out of the White House
30:28
Speaker 6: during the time when Pope Benedict resigned and Pope Francis
30:34
Speaker 6: was basically brought on and McCarrick, as I looked deeper
30:38
Speaker 6: into it, McCarrick was a very very solid part of
30:41
Speaker 6: the process in Rome that elected this this Argentinian bishop
30:50
Speaker 6: of the Argentinian cardinal to become Pope Francis. Almost as
30:55
Speaker 6: soon as he was elected, McCarrick began going back and
30:59
Speaker 6: forth to the Way House and to the Vatican to
31:05
Speaker 6: talk to this new Pope Francis, and Pope Francis started
31:09
Speaker 6: basically doing policy for the White House. He did policy
31:14
Speaker 6: with the Iran nuclear deal directly. He Obama went and
31:20
Speaker 6: visited Pope Francis in the Vatican in March of twenty fourteen,
31:25
Speaker 6: and immediately after that, Pope Francis and McCarrick went to
31:30
Speaker 6: the what they called the Holy Land, which was Israel,
31:32
Speaker 6: West Bank and Jordan, and they started promoting what then
31:36
Speaker 6: was this great new way of dealing with the Middle East,
31:40
Speaker 6: and it turned out to be a really terrible way
31:42
Speaker 6: of dealing with the Middle East because they gave it
31:44
Speaker 6: tons of money to Iranian terrorists. Mccarick had had long
31:48
Speaker 6: time relations with Iranians. He had gone to Iran years
31:54
Speaker 6: earlier and released some hikers that were held in prisoner,
31:58
Speaker 6: So he was working behind the scenes with and sort
32:02
Speaker 6: of this emissary between the Catholic Church and the US
32:04
Speaker 6: government very suspiciously, and that's where this whole thing came from.
32:09
Speaker 6: The worst of it came from when mcarrick and Biden
32:12
Speaker 6: and Obama and the Pope put together something called the
32:17
Speaker 6: Alliance of Prosperity. In the summer of twenty fourteen, all
32:21
Speaker 6: these young kids started coming up at the border and
32:24
Speaker 6: in the south along the Texas border, and Joe Biden
32:28
Speaker 6: put together something called the Alliance of Prosperity, which was
32:31
Speaker 6: basically him giving money to cartel affiliated government officials in
32:37
Speaker 6: South America our taxpayer money, and they opened up the
32:41
Speaker 6: doors for this illegal invasion. When Joe Biden became president
32:46
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, he opened the doors for all
32:50
Speaker 6: this illegal invasion, illegal immigration invasion, and that came that
32:55
Speaker 6: came through with help from the Catholic Church.
32:58
Speaker 1: Well, and you know that's what I'm glad you brought
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Speaker 1: that up and explained it along those lines. Mike McCormick,
33:03
Speaker 1: who's doing the empower you seminar tonight on all of
33:06
Speaker 1: this in Grand and Gloria's detail. The Catholic Church among
33:10
Speaker 1: other church organizations. I mean, I'm sixty years old. I've
33:14
Speaker 1: been hearing my whole life, separation of church and state,
33:16
Speaker 1: separation of church and state, you can't fund the church. Well,
33:18
Speaker 1: a lot of these NGOs were getting money to facilitate
33:21
Speaker 1: the movement of illegal immigrants from the border into the
33:25
Speaker 1: various communities around here in the United States were run
33:27
Speaker 1: by the Catholic Church. Is this the connection? This was intentional?
33:32
Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, it was intentional. It was a connection. It
33:36
Speaker 6: was set up, and they used the Catholic Church. They
33:39
Speaker 6: used Pope Francis as what I call morality laundering, so
33:44
Speaker 6: they made it look like, oh, it's okay, the Pope
33:47
Speaker 6: says they're migrants, They're not illegal immigrants, and they're still
33:51
Speaker 6: saying that.
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Speaker 1: And Vatican City never opened its doors to the general population,
33:56
Speaker 1: did they.
33:57
Speaker 6: No, they say they do, but they push it on
34:00
Speaker 6: everybody else. They don't pay the heavy lift.
34:03
Speaker 1: No, they don't. Now the more nefarious and I'm hoping
34:06
Speaker 1: almost that you say no, was this mass migration facilitated
34:11
Speaker 1: by the Biden administration and the Catholic Church? Was it
34:15
Speaker 1: purposeful to bring in children from molesting? I mean, because
34:18
Speaker 1: there's a component of that that was going on the
34:20
Speaker 1: whole time. We all heard about the children who were
34:22
Speaker 1: being fired across the border, unaccompanied miners, talk about people
34:26
Speaker 1: in a dangerous situation. So was there an element of
34:29
Speaker 1: helping get more young kids into the country so we
34:32
Speaker 1: could molest them? Yes, oh my god.
34:37
Speaker 6: Unfortunately part of it young kids, women were raped along
34:42
Speaker 6: the border by cartel coyotes. Pope Francis Carlin, mccarrot, Joe Biden,
34:49
Speaker 6: Barack Obama, Dennis McDonough had a direct that was a
34:53
Speaker 6: direct result of their policy.
34:56
Speaker 1: Now you looked into this, this particular company also had
35:02
Speaker 1: comments in here about the CIA's involvement. Were they involved
35:05
Speaker 1: in this as well?
35:08
Speaker 6: I think McCarrick was a CIA operative for a long time.
35:12
Speaker 6: He came up through the ranks in the Catholic Church
35:15
Speaker 6: quite quite quickly, and he came up through the ranks
35:19
Speaker 6: at the time when the CIA was actually working with
35:22
Speaker 6: the Vatican. This is the late forties early fifties. Recent
35:29
Speaker 6: documents that have been declassified from the CIA files on
35:35
Speaker 6: the Kennedy assassination include comments testimony by a guy named Angleton,
35:44
Speaker 6: and Angleton was a CIA superspy, but he in this
35:48
Speaker 6: testimony with Senate investigators, he explained, yes, I used to
35:52
Speaker 6: work closely with the Vatican and one of the people
35:57
Speaker 6: I worked which was Pope Paul the sixth. Well, Paul
36:00
Speaker 6: the sixth was the guy who basically put McCarrick on
36:02
Speaker 6: this conveyor belt to be a superior priest while he
36:07
Speaker 6: was molesting. There were a lot of allegations of him
36:10
Speaker 6: molesting young children and seminarians as he was moving up.
36:14
Speaker 6: So the Vatican kind of worked on it, and that
36:17
Speaker 6: came through the nineties. In the nineties. McCarrick I think
36:22
Speaker 6: it was either George H. W.
36:24
Speaker 2: Bush or.
36:26
Speaker 6: Clinton who sent mcrick into the into the State Department,
36:30
Speaker 6: and mcrick would go around the world as an Emissary
36:34
Speaker 6: of Freedom of religion. But he was really working behind
36:37
Speaker 6: the scenes, and what he was doing was giving away money.
36:40
Speaker 6: That's what the CIA does. They go around out in
36:42
Speaker 6: the world and they give away money. And that's how
36:45
Speaker 6: he got the pope. That's how he got this Argentinian guy,
36:49
Speaker 6: Bargolio named as the pope. He gave away money, bribe
36:51
Speaker 6: Bishop a, bribe cardinals to vote for him.
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Speaker 1: So as White House stinar, I presume he had a
36:56
Speaker 1: security clearance.
36:58
Speaker 6: No security clearance. It was a public facing job because
37:01
Speaker 6: it was worth the press office.
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Speaker 1: Oh how about that. But Michael McCormick again tonight and
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Speaker 1: haven't even scratched the service. One of the other things
37:14
Speaker 1: that you unfold in your book and almost instamountable evil,
37:18
Speaker 1: you say that the Biden Barack Obama administrations collaborated with
37:23
Speaker 1: China to release the Wuhan pandemic on the world. This
37:26
Speaker 1: is a completely different, well, I guess, completely different conspiracy
37:34
Speaker 1: going on here.
37:36
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's two parts to it. It's pretty sinister. What
37:39
Speaker 6: happened was so I'll just give a quick yeah. In
37:43
Speaker 6: twenty eleven, I went to China with Joe Biden. That
37:46
Speaker 6: part of my job was a travel.
37:48
Speaker 2: He did a speech.
37:49
Speaker 6: In Chengdu, China. He said to the Chinese people, you
37:53
Speaker 6: have too many old people. You have too many old people.
37:57
Speaker 6: They had a policy in China child policy where every
38:01
Speaker 6: family could only have one baby for generations and all.
38:05
Speaker 6: They all of a sudden, they didn't have any young people.
38:07
Speaker 6: They had all old people and all. He pointed that
38:09
Speaker 6: out to them, you have a terrible economic future. Not
38:13
Speaker 6: eight years later, in August of twenty nineteen, after being
38:22
Speaker 6: developed in a wu in a lab in Wuhan, China,
38:25
Speaker 6: the Wuhan virus was released and it killed mostly old people,
38:30
Speaker 6: and it also helped Joe Biden become the President of
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Speaker 6: the United States in twenty twenty one.
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Speaker 1: Ah, Mike McCormick, this has been a real eye opener.
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Speaker 1: I recommend you folks get your book on My executive
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Speaker 1: blog page fifty five. Casee dot com an almost insurmountable evil.
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Speaker 1: How Obama's deep state defiled the Catholic Church and executed
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Speaker 1: the Wuhan pandemic Mike, this has been an eye opening conversation.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be even more so tonight at seven pm.
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39:10
Speaker 1: it's really cool that we have local authors. They prove that, yes,
39:12
Speaker 1: you can write a book, you can get a book published.
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Speaker 3: And uh.
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Speaker 1: One of the women who's going to explain how that
39:18
Speaker 1: is done in her impetus behind writing and getting involved
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Speaker 1: in writing, Beverly Park Williams. It's Beverly. It's a pleasure
39:24
Speaker 1: to have you on the program today.
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Speaker 7: Thank you for this opportunity.
39:28
Speaker 1: Oh, it's my pleasure. I appreciate you forwarding me a
39:30
Speaker 1: copy of the book. I will admit upfront, I'm not
39:31
Speaker 1: going to lie to you. I haven't had an opportunity
39:33
Speaker 1: to read it yet. I note that the book Parallel
39:36
Speaker 1: But and Separate, This is the name of your second book,
39:40
Speaker 1: Parallel and Separate, A Tale of Two Sisters. Does this
39:43
Speaker 1: book number two involve the same subject matter as your
39:47
Speaker 1: first book, Separate but Parallel.
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Speaker 7: Yes, actually the story both stories are about two sisters,
39:55
Speaker 7: Janet and Shirley. The first book is really about Shirley,
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Speaker 7: who was my mother. After I'd moved her into a
40:05
Speaker 7: nursing home in Anderson Township, I spent a lot of
40:09
Speaker 7: time with her, and she began to tell me many
40:12
Speaker 7: stories for life. And the stories became so numerous. I
40:17
Speaker 7: purchased a handheld recorder and after more than two years
40:21
Speaker 7: of recording, I transcribed almost three hundred pages of notes,
40:27
Speaker 7: and that became the first book.
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Speaker 1: Well, and that's I guess primarily one of the reasons
40:31
Speaker 1: I asked this is not a short book. It's your
40:35
Speaker 1: your separate book we're talking about today, Parallel and Separate.
40:37
Speaker 1: It comes in at four hundred and fifty pages. This
40:40
Speaker 1: is I guess, the story of Shirley and jen At
40:44
Speaker 1: her sister, Shirley, you said already is your mom. They
40:47
Speaker 1: were separated very close to birth. I guess your your
40:53
Speaker 1: mother was a newborn and your aunt was three years
40:56
Speaker 1: old when they separated. But they both lived in the
40:59
Speaker 1: Great ter Cincinnati area, yet had no idea of each
41:02
Speaker 1: other's existence. As I understand it is that accurate.
41:06
Speaker 7: Yes, their families, both the father for Janet and the
41:11
Speaker 7: mother for Shirley, kept it a secrets, so they were separated,
41:17
Speaker 7: not knowing about one another, to be reunited seventy years later,
41:23
Speaker 7: seven decades later.
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Speaker 1: That is truly amazing. Now, they grew up differently. Not
41:30
Speaker 1: only were they separated, not only did they not know
41:33
Speaker 1: each other, and they grew up on opposite sides of
41:34
Speaker 1: the town. They also were quite different in the socioeconomic upbringing,
41:39
Speaker 1: were they not?
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Speaker 7: Yes, they were. Actually Janet was kept by her father
41:46
Speaker 7: and her father's parents and they lived a fairly middle
41:50
Speaker 7: class life on the west side. When the grandfather separated
41:57
Speaker 7: the two sisters, he thought that my mother would go
42:01
Speaker 7: with their mother and live with their mother's relatives. Unfortunately,
42:07
Speaker 7: their mother had been adopted by an elderly couple in
42:11
Speaker 7: Hyde Park, and both the couple, the grandmother and the
42:16
Speaker 7: grandfather were in nursing home, So Shirley and her mother
42:21
Speaker 7: were pretty much left to fend for themselves on the
42:25
Speaker 7: East side, and Shirley grew up in poverty.
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Speaker 1: Oh so, I guess I'm wildly curious. Since they were
42:35
Speaker 1: sisters obviously genetically linked, did they sort of I hate
42:40
Speaker 1: these words. Turn out, after seventy years of life, were
42:43
Speaker 1: they different people, different political philosophies. Obviously, maybe different socioeconomy
42:47
Speaker 1: because that depends on what they ended up doing for
42:49
Speaker 1: a living. But personality wise, was there a consistency or
42:53
Speaker 1: were they dramatically different people having lived these separate lives
42:56
Speaker 1: when they finally met each other.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question because they were very different.
43:04
Speaker 7: Because of Janet growing up on the West Side. Her
43:08
Speaker 7: family was Catholic, of course, and sent Janet to Catholic girls' school.
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Speaker 7: My mother and her mother were Protestant, and as they
43:22
Speaker 7: came to know one another seventy years later, they realized
43:26
Speaker 7: that they had very different political views.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of the point I was coming I
43:33
Speaker 1: was going to come to. I'm glad you brought it
43:35
Speaker 1: up yourself, because I want to pry into politics of it.
43:37
Speaker 1: So different religious philosophy and then different political philosophies. So
43:41
Speaker 1: I presume one Democrat one Republican was as simple as
43:44
Speaker 1: boiling it down to that. Was there something beyond that?
43:47
Speaker 7: Now, that's that's exactly right.
43:50
Speaker 1: East Side was Republican, right, Yes, just like the West Side.
43:55
Speaker 1: You can us expect it's going to be from a
43:57
Speaker 1: Catholic family. Having grown up in del High I'm hip
44:00
Speaker 1: to that, Beverly. There were two children in my mom
44:02
Speaker 1: and dad's family, and there were mostly five and six
44:04
Speaker 1: children in the balance of the neighborhood's family. I'll let
44:06
Speaker 1: you do the math on who was Catholic and who wasn't.
44:10
Speaker 1: So why will my listeners Beverly Williams, author of the
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Speaker 1: book Parallel and Separate, a tale of two sisters? Why
44:17
Speaker 1: will my listeners find your family history and the lives
44:21
Speaker 1: of your mother and her sister growing up severally a
44:24
Speaker 1: fascinating story worthy of reading, Beverly.
44:28
Speaker 7: The reason is truly the setting of Cincinnati. In book
44:34
Speaker 7: one for my mother and in book two for my
44:37
Speaker 7: aunt Janet, they bring to the book memories from both
44:43
Speaker 7: the West Side and the East Side, and I think people,
44:47
Speaker 7: particularly in the local area, can relate to those memories
44:52
Speaker 7: as well as the incredible part of their memories also
44:57
Speaker 7: of downtown landmarks. So I have to wonder, did they
45:02
Speaker 7: see each other on Fountain Square? Did they meet one
45:06
Speaker 7: another on a bus and not know that they were bookers?
45:11
Speaker 7: And their grandfather and their father where the groundskeepers at
45:16
Speaker 7: Coney Island. So Coney Island is a is somewhat of
45:22
Speaker 7: a focus of both books. Now, in book two, I
45:27
Speaker 7: had the time. My mother had passed, so I had
45:30
Speaker 7: the time to do research on where did their father's
45:34
Speaker 7: ancestors come from? And where did their mother's ancestors come from?
45:39
Speaker 7: And I add that detail in book two.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. So the very interesting and quite unusual story of
45:49
Speaker 1: them being separated at such a young agent growing up
45:51
Speaker 1: in the same town, but you know, not knowing each
45:53
Speaker 1: other is a vehicle to bring in all of this,
45:56
Speaker 1: you know, relevant Cincinnati area history poses. How you boil
46:00
Speaker 1: that down? Yes, exactly, great well local historians and uh,
46:06
Speaker 1: I guess maybe Peter Bronson should read a copy of this,
46:08
Speaker 1: since he writes local history. Relieved by the way, Peter
46:12
Speaker 1: Bronson's new book was great. I finished it the other day.
46:15
Speaker 1: You'll love it anyhow, So I want to ask you, Beverly,
46:20
Speaker 1: what was and and maybe you mentioned it before, and
46:22
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't process it, but I'm curious to
46:24
Speaker 1: know why the the Shirley and Janet didn't know each other,
46:28
Speaker 1: why they kept this sort of a family secret that
46:31
Speaker 1: that that you know, they had a y had a
46:33
Speaker 1: sibling living across town. What happened to prevent you your
46:36
Speaker 1: mom and her sister from knowing about each other?
46:40
Speaker 7: They believed it was somewhat of a shameful issue that
46:46
Speaker 7: the grandfather had separated the two sisters, especially not allowing
46:53
Speaker 7: them to get to know one another, not allowing them
46:57
Speaker 7: the same privileges in life. So is what is the
47:03
Speaker 7: reason betid my title? Both sisters grew up obviously separate
47:09
Speaker 7: from one another, but as they become young working women
47:14
Speaker 7: and then wives, and then mothers, and even grandmothers and
47:18
Speaker 7: then widows. During the time that they became reunited, they
47:23
Speaker 7: realized that truly they were. They had lives more in
47:27
Speaker 7: parallel to one another than they initially believed.
47:33
Speaker 1: How much time are they able to spend each other?
47:34
Speaker 1: Did they create a friendship or a strong relationship after
47:38
Speaker 1: meeting after seventy years? And how long were they around
47:41
Speaker 1: if they did, in fact spend any time together? How
47:43
Speaker 1: long were they around to do that.
47:46
Speaker 7: They did when they were both in there obviously their seventies.
47:49
Speaker 7: They wrote to one another, they sent cards, They talked initially,
47:55
Speaker 7: they tucked on the phone a lot, and had lunches
47:58
Speaker 7: and dinners and even had spontaneous crypt of Florida together.
48:02
Speaker 7: But over time, as they become more and more elderly,
48:09
Speaker 7: they began to decline in their relationship, and once I
48:14
Speaker 7: put my mother in a nursing home, their relationship really deteriorated.
48:20
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that, but at least they got
48:21
Speaker 1: to spend time together, learn about each other, and you
48:23
Speaker 1: got this fascinating story that obviously we're compelled to write about.
48:27
Speaker 1: To the budding authors out there, people who think, oh,
48:29
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm ever going to get published, can't
48:31
Speaker 1: do it, how did you manage to is this? These
48:34
Speaker 1: are the first books you've written?
48:36
Speaker 7: Yes, okay they are.
48:38
Speaker 1: That's well, that's an accomplishment and in of itself. So
48:41
Speaker 1: what kind of what recommendation is a local author? And
48:43
Speaker 1: is it obviously a not well published yet anyway would
48:49
Speaker 1: you give to people who might be inspired to write
48:50
Speaker 1: a book or maybe who have been thinking about that,
48:53
Speaker 1: what would you say to them?
48:55
Speaker 7: I would say go for it. I would say, if
48:58
Speaker 7: you have a story that you believe in and can
49:02
Speaker 7: add to it details and add to it some conversations
49:07
Speaker 7: and interactions, especially with other people and settings like Cincinnati.
49:14
Speaker 7: I was fascinated by places in Cincinnati. Both my mother
49:19
Speaker 7: and my aunt Janet talked about I never knew of ye,
49:22
Speaker 7: so I was able to go around the city and say, oh,
49:26
Speaker 7: I didn't know about that, but what a wonderful area.
49:30
Speaker 7: My Aunt Janet was fascinated with Miami Whitewater Forest. I
49:34
Speaker 7: had never heard of that. So it was fun doing
49:38
Speaker 7: the book, doing the research, and suddenly you have pages
49:43
Speaker 7: and pages of good information to share.
49:48
Speaker 1: Well, that's great, I guess today, Beverly Park William's local
49:51
Speaker 1: author Parallel and Separate Book two A tell it two
49:54
Speaker 1: sisters learn about the Greater Cincinnatier are generally speaking of
49:57
Speaker 1: this fascinating tale of the women who separated at a
50:00
Speaker 1: very young age and lived in the same town. You
50:03
Speaker 1: didn't even know of each other's existence. Beverly, It's been
50:05
Speaker 1: a sweet opportunity to speak with you this morning, and
50:07
Speaker 1: I appreciate you writing the book and inspiring other local
50:09
Speaker 1: authors maybe put pen to paper, as the case may be,
50:12
Speaker 1: and put their own work together getting it published maybe
50:15
Speaker 1: another thing. How are you able to get your book published,
50:17
Speaker 1: Beverly Williams.
50:17
Speaker 7: Before we part company, so initially with the first book,
50:23
Speaker 7: I went through Amazon through their publishing operation. With this
50:28
Speaker 7: second book, I actually used Ingram Spark. And the reason
50:33
Speaker 7: I did is one of the book stores in Milford said, well,
50:39
Speaker 7: you know all the bookstores purchase their books through Ingram Spark,
50:44
Speaker 7: who is the distributor of books. So I said, oh, okay,
50:48
Speaker 7: So I invented that and published through Ingram Spark. And
50:54
Speaker 7: I have been going around bookstores asking them to please
50:59
Speaker 7: purchase my book.
51:00
Speaker 1: Of course, that's how you get it out in the
51:02
Speaker 1: world of Beverly and you become a well published author.
51:05
Speaker 1: And I wish you all the best as you moved
51:07
Speaker 1: toward that endeavor, and I hope people will enjoy the
51:09
Speaker 1: book Parallel and Separate a Tael two Sisters. That'd be
51:12
Speaker 1: a book two. You can read book one as well.
51:14
Speaker 1: Conversation with g Van Fleet, the author of Mao's America,
51:17
Speaker 1: A Survivor's Warning. She was born in China and lived
51:19
Speaker 1: through the Cultural Revolution. Actually got sent to work in
51:22
Speaker 1: the countryside at age sixteen for what they called re education.
51:26
Speaker 1: Following Mao's death, she was able to go to college
51:28
Speaker 1: and eventually come to the United States for graduate study.
51:31
Speaker 1: She has lived in the United States since nineteen eighty six.
51:33
Speaker 1: She delivered a speech in twenty twenty one in the
51:36
Speaker 1: Louden County, Virginia school Board against critical race theory. That
51:40
Speaker 1: speech went viral, ignited a national conservative media attention, and
51:44
Speaker 1: she has since written a book which You've got to get,
51:47
Speaker 1: Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. G Van Fleet, Welcome to
51:51
Speaker 1: the fifty five Kresy Morning Show. It's a distinct pleasure
51:53
Speaker 1: to have you on today.
51:54
Speaker 8: Well, thank you so much.
51:56
Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of curious before we dive on
51:59
Speaker 1: in tonight's are in what you are seeing frighteningly so
52:03
Speaker 1: here in America. You left China in nineteen eighty six
52:07
Speaker 1: to do graduate studies here. What was your impression of
52:11
Speaker 1: the Tenneman Square massacre in nineteen eighty nine as a
52:14
Speaker 1: someone so familiar with what it was like in China
52:17
Speaker 1: at the time. Honestly, from my American perspective, I was
52:21
Speaker 1: so excited up until the massacre. The crowds were gathering,
52:25
Speaker 1: they had symbols of the United States Statue of Liberty.
52:28
Speaker 1: I thought China was going to go full on capitalists,
52:32
Speaker 1: but no, that's when the massacre took place. What were
52:35
Speaker 1: you thinking at the time.
52:37
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was here. I was Florida, Yeah, attending college there,
52:44
Speaker 8: and I because I was indoctrinated my whole entire life
52:51
Speaker 8: until the last minute, I did not believe that the
52:56
Speaker 8: army would open fire to the students because we were taught,
53:00
Speaker 8: you know, the army is the people's army. They protect people.
53:04
Speaker 8: That was a very very important moment for me, and
53:08
Speaker 8: I lost all remaining hope or or you're losing about
53:13
Speaker 8: the CCP. But the tragedy is that soon after that,
53:18
Speaker 8: the whole world forgot about it. They forgot the thousands
53:23
Speaker 8: of students who were killed. And then they do business
53:27
Speaker 8: as usure and they imported, they transfer technology, they import
53:33
Speaker 8: uh In, They put so much investment there and because
53:40
Speaker 8: they just want to get money out of China. And
53:44
Speaker 8: now look at today today, we really build China and
53:48
Speaker 8: it become now it becomes our number one threat.
53:52
Speaker 1: Well, and we can follow the the you know, the
53:54
Speaker 1: eros on how that came about beginning with Save Nixon's
53:57
Speaker 1: administrations normalizing trade with China. Obviously with China was not
54:00
Speaker 1: friends with the Soviet Union. At the time, it seemed
54:03
Speaker 1: like it was in our best interest maybe for the
54:05
Speaker 1: goal of flipping China to capitalism, like giving him a
54:09
Speaker 1: taste of the experience. But we've seen what happens since then,
54:11
Speaker 1: we offshore manufacturing. China has dominated, like for example, the
54:15
Speaker 1: climate industry, which I'll get to in a minute. But
54:17
Speaker 1: you point out the people who were slaughtered a tenements,
54:21
Speaker 1: where were the youth and the Chinese Communist Party in
54:24
Speaker 1: part of the Marxist philosophy is to weaponize youth, as
54:27
Speaker 1: you'll point out tonight in greater detail, and use them
54:29
Speaker 1: as a means to their ends. That clearly is what's
54:32
Speaker 1: going on here. But this was sort of weaponizing the
54:34
Speaker 1: youth in China against the oppressive Communist or MAOIs government.
54:40
Speaker 8: Yes, tonight, I are talking in more details just as
54:43
Speaker 8: you said, and that is called the Red Guard of
54:47
Speaker 8: Chairman Maou. And they weaponized the indoctrinated youth to do
54:53
Speaker 8: his bit or what he wanted to achieve. He wanted
54:57
Speaker 8: to overthrow the Chinese government, his own government, because he
55:01
Speaker 8: thought he was losing power. Just for his own gain.
55:06
Speaker 8: He was willing to sacrifice all the youth and then
55:11
Speaker 8: bring down the entire country and uh and by the
55:15
Speaker 8: time of his death, China was in the brink of
55:18
Speaker 8: total collapse. We were living in object poverty, and that's
55:23
Speaker 8: what communism brought to Chinese people. But Chinese people seem
55:29
Speaker 8: to forget, and Americans seems to forget.
55:32
Speaker 9: The whole world.
55:33
Speaker 8: Seems to forget. It's the same Communist party that's ruling
55:37
Speaker 8: China today, and they always always regard America as number
55:43
Speaker 8: one enemy. Now they don't even hide it. Now we
55:46
Speaker 8: see they're true intentions. But it's never changed. It's always
55:49
Speaker 8: that way. We just failed to understand because we don't
55:53
Speaker 8: want to understand.
55:54
Speaker 1: We don't want to understand. We don't want to give
55:56
Speaker 1: up our tiktoks even fleet because you know, hey, how
55:59
Speaker 1: we have to have this which which is a source
56:01
Speaker 1: of indoctrination. I've been saying, and maybe you can confirm
56:05
Speaker 1: from a listening audience that I've been right on all this.
56:08
Speaker 1: My belief is and there are multiple different weapons of
56:11
Speaker 1: war that don't involve shooting each other, one of which
56:13
Speaker 1: is in doctrination via social media, which the Chinese Communist
56:16
Speaker 1: Party seems to dominate and own. They are looking at
56:20
Speaker 1: every element of our society and trying to divide us.
56:23
Speaker 1: You mentioned, I mean I mentioned before you did that
56:26
Speaker 1: speech in front of the Louden kind of Virginia school
56:28
Speaker 1: Board against critical race theory that divides Americans among themselves.
56:32
Speaker 1: We can't even unite amount underneath our own flag because
56:36
Speaker 1: well it's an inherently racist society. Well that's just one
56:40
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus division. Ruining the nuclear family, I mean
56:44
Speaker 1: climate change as a concept. The Chinese love the idea
56:48
Speaker 1: that we are just ruining our own economies chasing a
56:52
Speaker 1: carbon free environment while they build coal plants every single day.
56:56
Speaker 1: They have to be laughing at us.
56:57
Speaker 8: G absolutely, and I always this is something I have
57:02
Speaker 8: been really trying, really hard to weaken up America. The
57:06
Speaker 8: real thread is not the CCP. The real thread is
57:11
Speaker 8: the American Marxist It's the Democratic Party. And because everything
57:17
Speaker 8: the CSP was able to do is because they were
57:20
Speaker 8: allowed to do, they're encouraged to do and do what
57:24
Speaker 8: to enrich themselves and hollow out America manufacturer basis. And
57:31
Speaker 8: it's all a plaud to weaken America, to take down America.
57:37
Speaker 8: So the enemy is here, The enemy is the enemy within.
57:43
Speaker 1: Gee van Fleet should be speaking tonight again. Empower you
57:45
Speaker 1: America dot org log in. It's log in remote view only,
57:48
Speaker 1: so make sure you're registered to hit the ground running
57:50
Speaker 1: at seven PM. I get the impression and your passion
57:56
Speaker 1: behind what your message is is so profound. You have
57:59
Speaker 1: no yet given up on America. We do need to
58:02
Speaker 1: wake up. What what do we need to do? How
58:04
Speaker 1: do we fight back other than recognize this ridiculous, obvious
58:08
Speaker 1: manipulation of of the hearts and minds of our apparently
58:12
Speaker 1: ignorant young people.
58:14
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're ignorant because we have lost the control our
58:20
Speaker 8: educational system. It's over one hundred years that the Marxist
58:25
Speaker 8: communists have been in control of our education system, from
58:31
Speaker 8: college to public school, now to kindergarten. What they teach,
58:35
Speaker 8: they teach, they don't teach, They indoctrinate. Yes, and so
58:39
Speaker 8: today you know, so, how can they How can we
58:42
Speaker 8: have a communist mayor in New York City and in Seattle.
58:46
Speaker 8: It's not that we had bad people like among Danny
58:50
Speaker 8: and that woman whatever her name is. It's because the
58:53
Speaker 8: voters choose them. The voters were so indoctrinated. They have
58:58
Speaker 8: no idea about real history, they have no idea about
59:01
Speaker 8: the horrors of communism, and they hate America. And that's
59:05
Speaker 8: why they were able to use the use for what
59:09
Speaker 8: it is and get power. And that is our real issue.
59:13
Speaker 8: The issue is that we have to re educate. Here's
59:17
Speaker 8: the word the America used to help them to understand
59:22
Speaker 8: they live in the freest country in the world and
59:26
Speaker 8: their freedom can be lost if they don't understand it.
59:31
Speaker 8: And they, of course they don't understand it. They are
59:33
Speaker 8: not for freedom, they are for free stuff. That is
59:37
Speaker 8: our problem.
59:39
Speaker 1: G Van Fleet profound words elaborated on the night at
59:42
Speaker 1: seven pm empower Youamerica dot org. Something it sounds like,
59:46
Speaker 1: destroy you from within. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? Yes, yes, yes,
59:51
Speaker 1: I take ze Van Fleet. I want to thank you
59:57
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart for what you're doing.
59:58
Speaker 1: Your mess is reson It's among my listening audience. I
1:00:01
Speaker 1: hope everyone joins the program tonight learn something that spreads
1:00:04
Speaker 1: the word and also buys a copy of Mao's America Survive,
1:00:08
Speaker 1: a Survivor's Warning, which they can get on my blog
1:00:10
Speaker 1: page fifty five KRC dot com. God bless you, Zee.
1:00:13
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. Keep speaking truth to the
1:00:16
Speaker 1: powerful communists that are out there. Maybe we can change
1:00:18
Speaker 1: the direction.
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Speaker 11: The first week.
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1:00:26
Speaker 2: around here because you never know what's.
1:00:28
Speaker 1: Going to happen.
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Speaker 1: I am honored, blessed uh to have in studio Sarah
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Speaker 1: Herringer and apologies right out of the gates, Sarah, I
1:00:41
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1:00:45
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1:00:53
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Speaker 1: great having you in city to talk about some of
1:00:58
Speaker 1: the problems that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst
1:01:02
Speaker 1: and most horrific of problems in what happened on June fourth.
1:01:05
Speaker 1: But as we were talking before the segment started, the
1:01:10
Speaker 1: idea of crime in over the rhyme, you've had plenty
1:01:14
Speaker 1: of experience with it. This isn't something new.
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Speaker 12: It's not something new.
1:01:18
Speaker 13: It's been something that's been building and accumulating for quite
1:01:23
Speaker 13: some time, and at this point we are seeing the
1:01:27
Speaker 13: fruits of the labor of the city leadership really being
1:01:30
Speaker 13: harvested or coming to its fullness right now. This is
1:01:35
Speaker 13: not something where all of a sudden in the summer
1:01:37
Speaker 13: of twenty twenty.
1:01:38
Speaker 12: Five, wow we have crime issues.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, you know earlier in the program just
1:01:44
Speaker 1: to think before the top of the our news break
1:01:46
Speaker 1: and I had mentioned this that I brought it up.
1:01:49
Speaker 1: We didn't just wake up in the city one day
1:01:51
Speaker 1: and say and find out, oh my god, we're one
1:01:53
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a
1:01:56
Speaker 1: problem that's been building for a long long time, a.
1:01:58
Speaker 13: Really long time to my understanding, even back to two
1:02:02
Speaker 13: thousand and eight where they're recession so hiring freeze. But
1:02:08
Speaker 13: those are things that you're able to project and see coming.
1:02:11
Speaker 13: And any type of business, a private corporation would not
1:02:17
Speaker 13: just stand by and just be like, oh oh well,
1:02:20
Speaker 13: or not have to change their strategy in order to
1:02:23
Speaker 13: recruit to.
1:02:25
Speaker 12: Compensate for that deficit. This is not something. I mean,
1:02:29
Speaker 12: there's been a really long runway.
1:02:30
Speaker 13: To be able to predict and see where there's going
1:02:33
Speaker 13: to be a lack of police force, and there just
1:02:36
Speaker 13: hasn't been any action or necessary action, the right kind
1:02:40
Speaker 13: of action to fix it.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person. When you
1:02:44
Speaker 1: put politics aside, the most important component to a successful
1:02:49
Speaker 1: city is safety.
1:02:51
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: In order to in order to encourage anybody to live
1:02:54
Speaker 1: in the city, in order to courage any business to
1:02:56
Speaker 1: invest in the city, you're going to have to have
1:02:58
Speaker 1: at least a perception of a very safe city. So
1:03:02
Speaker 1: failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.
1:03:06
Speaker 1: So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,
1:03:08
Speaker 1: you got to tighten the belt. The last place you
1:03:11
Speaker 1: should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling
1:03:14
Speaker 1: depleting ranks is the police department of all places.
1:03:17
Speaker 13: Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked
1:03:21
Speaker 13: about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're
1:03:24
Speaker 13: not currently in a situation where there's not money for
1:03:29
Speaker 13: public safety. The money is being given elsewhere. It's not
1:03:33
Speaker 13: it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.
1:03:36
Speaker 13: And I mean safety is a is a basic human need. Yeah,
1:03:42
Speaker 13: like it's we're not we're not asking for you know,
1:03:45
Speaker 13: the whole Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here,
1:03:49
Speaker 13: We're asking for safety.
1:03:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are
1:03:54
Speaker 1: we live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,
1:03:58
Speaker 1: people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things,
1:04:02
Speaker 1: and as evidence by the viral nature of what happened
1:04:05
Speaker 1: on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out of
1:04:09
Speaker 1: nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living hell
1:04:12
Speaker 1: out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight led
1:04:16
Speaker 1: out to it. Absolutely, it's so appalling. That's that's why
1:04:20
Speaker 1: so many people click on it.
1:04:21
Speaker 13: I think, yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there
1:04:24
Speaker 13: had been a fight between two grown men, the mob
1:04:28
Speaker 13: response to it, and then the woman who was beat
1:04:32
Speaker 13: just by it and by just standing there and checking
1:04:34
Speaker 13: like that, those are You're just like, what has happened?
1:04:38
Speaker 12: Why are we? Why are people acting like this?
1:04:41
Speaker 10: Why?
1:04:42
Speaker 13: Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks
1:04:46
Speaker 13: twice about?
1:04:48
Speaker 12: Well, no hesitation.
1:04:49
Speaker 1: Clearly the folks involved in and thought nothing about it.
1:04:51
Speaker 1: And again that maybe the reflection of a broader societal problem.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: But amid this seemingly broader societal break down, if you
1:05:00
Speaker 1: want to call it, the evolution or problem we're facing
1:05:03
Speaker 1: with just lack of morals, ethics, logic, and reason. That's
1:05:07
Speaker 1: at the time when you need the police. That's when
1:05:09
Speaker 1: you need more of it. You need a bigger police presence.
1:05:11
Speaker 1: You need apparently by all reports, three o'clock in the
1:05:14
Speaker 1: morning Saturday, when this is out three total officers available.
1:05:19
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.
1:05:24
Speaker 13: Same thing with the hours at the It happened with
1:05:27
Speaker 13: us as well. Uh And how is that safe for
1:05:30
Speaker 13: the police? How is that safe for them? It's a
1:05:35
Speaker 13: good question, you know, like it.
1:05:37
Speaker 1: Thinks about the safety of the police. You think of
1:05:39
Speaker 1: the safety of the community.
1:05:40
Speaker 12: But now and they're they're human beings.
1:05:42
Speaker 13: It's like what, Yeah, if there is something like that
1:05:45
Speaker 13: going on, and it tends to I mean even we've
1:05:47
Speaker 13: seen with juveniles it being like more of a mob
1:05:50
Speaker 13: type thing. If you are are one officer and backup
1:05:54
Speaker 13: is minutes away or not or air yeah, not there
1:05:58
Speaker 13: at all, what are you going to do? It's unfair
1:06:02
Speaker 13: for them.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: It really is. And you know, I had never really
1:06:06
Speaker 1: put myself in the position of a police officer having
1:06:08
Speaker 1: to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people, Like,
1:06:10
Speaker 1: you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?
1:06:14
Speaker 1: Because you're just as likely to be subject of the
1:06:16
Speaker 1: beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that
1:06:19
Speaker 1: you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to
1:06:21
Speaker 1: the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading
1:06:27
Speaker 1: up to June fourth, how long had you lived in
1:06:31
Speaker 1: over the right.
1:06:33
Speaker 13: We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of
1:06:37
Speaker 13: those ten we've lived in OTR.
1:06:39
Speaker 1: And you decided you invested in the community.
1:06:41
Speaker 12: Yeah. Absolutely.
1:06:42
Speaker 1: Your late husband's business was right there by Family Market
1:06:45
Speaker 1: as I understand it. Yep.
1:06:46
Speaker 13: Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,
1:06:51
Speaker 13: invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want
1:06:53
Speaker 13: to be one of those people who was like, oh,
1:06:55
Speaker 13: we have a business downtown, but.
1:06:57
Speaker 1: Moving off to the suburbs yea when you go.
1:06:59
Speaker 12: Home, exactly.
1:07:00
Speaker 13: We wanted to invest in the community that we lived
1:07:02
Speaker 13: in because I think that's far more powerful for people
1:07:06
Speaker 13: to do that.
1:07:06
Speaker 12: That's what community is.
1:07:07
Speaker 1: Well. I get a sense you embraced the idea of
1:07:11
Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and
1:07:14
Speaker 1: passion for the city.
1:07:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:07:15
Speaker 1: Absolutely, but actually you know to to choose to invest
1:07:21
Speaker 1: your dollars there, you thought that was obviously a worthy endeavor.
1:07:24
Speaker 1: Did at some point of leading up to June fourth,
1:07:28
Speaker 1: did you come to a conclusion that well, maybe you
1:07:30
Speaker 1: might have made the wrong decision in that regard.
1:07:34
Speaker 13: Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,
1:07:38
Speaker 13: the city is not safe like that, that is very apparent.
1:07:43
Speaker 13: And there have been times over the years where, uh,
1:07:48
Speaker 13: you know, this is not the.
1:07:49
Speaker 12: First interaction with crime.
1:07:51
Speaker 13: Unfortunately obviously not ones with such great consequences, But there
1:07:57
Speaker 13: have been times where we're like, you know what, if
1:07:58
Speaker 13: maybe we had opened our business out in the suburbs,
1:08:03
Speaker 13: you know, there wouldn't be these headaches.
1:08:05
Speaker 12: There wouldn't be.
1:08:06
Speaker 13: But I the thing that we that I've always loved
1:08:08
Speaker 13: about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.
1:08:12
Speaker 12: Yeah they do.
1:08:13
Speaker 13: And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You
1:08:19
Speaker 13: don't see it's the city is so unique and the
1:08:22
Speaker 13: fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and
1:08:24
Speaker 13: overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this
1:08:29
Speaker 13: local spirit and this local heart of the reason why
1:08:34
Speaker 13: this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,
1:08:37
Speaker 13: we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,
1:08:42
Speaker 13: developers as far as that goes, but they've given it
1:08:44
Speaker 13: back to the people and they've allowed for them to
1:08:47
Speaker 13: come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and
1:08:52
Speaker 13: everyone downtown they want to support local business.
1:08:55
Speaker 12: They don't want to go to chains.
1:08:56
Speaker 13: And that's the reason why we chose downtown is because
1:09:00
Speaker 13: it's like starting a business. There's a lot of risk
1:09:03
Speaker 13: to it, and you can see it's very evident in
1:09:07
Speaker 13: the heart of everyone downtown that they want it to thrive.
1:09:11
Speaker 13: And the local business owners are the reason why Cincinnati
1:09:15
Speaker 13: got to where it's at. And unfortunately, the leaders that
1:09:19
Speaker 13: we have elected to protect our investment and protect the
1:09:23
Speaker 13: community are also going to be the ones where it
1:09:26
Speaker 13: ultimately comes down to us saying we've got to leave.
1:09:30
Speaker 13: We can't just keep investing in something that you don't
1:09:33
Speaker 13: protect and you don't honor the way that we've chosen
1:09:37
Speaker 13: to What can we do?
1:09:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.
1:09:43
Speaker 1: I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on
1:09:45
Speaker 1: the program every week, and one of his mantras his
1:09:48
Speaker 1: repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with, if
1:09:53
Speaker 1: I can phrase it that way, the city leadership for
1:09:56
Speaker 1: their failure to out loud and regularly support the idea
1:10:00
Speaker 1: of the police working with the police, telling the police
1:10:04
Speaker 1: that the population generally that the police are not They're
1:10:08
Speaker 1: not bad people. They're in fact a wonderful organization that
1:10:11
Speaker 1: really is there to help you, and so we work
1:10:13
Speaker 1: with them, let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration
1:10:17
Speaker 1: has been deafening along those lines until, like said, I'm
1:10:20
Speaker 1: surprised it didn't pop up right after June fourth, But
1:10:25
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of what happened on Saturday, now you're
1:10:27
Speaker 1: seeing even folks like Aftab Purvoll talk about crime being
1:10:30
Speaker 1: the most important thing we need to address and deal with.
1:10:33
Speaker 1: Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.
1:10:36
Speaker 13: Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure,
1:10:42
Speaker 13: and I understand that that's political suicide and as well,
1:10:47
Speaker 13: but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.
1:10:50
Speaker 1: Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring
1:10:53
Speaker 1: it and we come back. Do you think maybe part
1:10:55
Speaker 1: of the reason for their silence and their faired outloud
1:10:59
Speaker 1: support police and failure to be forward thinking and keeping
1:11:03
Speaker 1: the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable level
1:11:08
Speaker 1: might be because of the left wing wing of the
1:11:11
Speaker 1: Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink the
1:11:15
Speaker 1: police department. So let's pause, We'll bring Sarah Herringerr back
1:11:19
Speaker 1: and we'll have further good discussion. She is in studio
1:11:21
Speaker 1: for the full hour, and I can't thank her enough
1:11:23
Speaker 1: for stopping in and addressing these issues so important to
1:11:26
Speaker 1: every resident of the city of Cincinnati.
1:11:29
Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC.
1:11:31
Speaker 1: Wuido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered on the fourth
1:11:34
Speaker 1: of June this year in their apartment over the Rhine,
1:11:36
Speaker 1: and we're not going to dwell on that, but it's
1:11:38
Speaker 1: the predicate for her being on the program this morning,
1:11:40
Speaker 1: but also the predicate for her I would say, wonderful activism.
1:11:45
Speaker 1: You have been an outspoken critic of the problems we're
1:11:48
Speaker 1: talking about here in the city of Cincinnati since that happened,
1:11:51
Speaker 1: and it's terrible that that had to lead to this,
1:11:54
Speaker 1: But I think you're doing a great job of elevating
1:11:57
Speaker 1: to everyone else's attention some of the big thingsailures we have.
1:12:00
Speaker 1: I saw your post the other day about the judicial system,
1:12:03
Speaker 1: and I were talking about that before the program began,
1:12:05
Speaker 1: and that's one of the big failures the judicial system.
1:12:08
Speaker 4: We have.
1:12:08
Speaker 1: These you know, for one of a better term, you
1:12:11
Speaker 1: can call them what you want. I'm going to say
1:12:12
Speaker 1: liberal judges. I think they've been convinced that the criminal
1:12:17
Speaker 1: justice system is somehow unfair and that for whatever reason,
1:12:21
Speaker 1: bonds are a bad thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds,
1:12:25
Speaker 1: and that meeting out justice for people who have actually
1:12:28
Speaker 1: been convicted or have you know, plead guilty or pled
1:12:32
Speaker 1: guilty rather to any given crime aren't given enough time.
1:12:35
Speaker 1: It's almost like a handslap, don't do it again, and
1:12:38
Speaker 1: lo and behold, there they are back in court again,
1:12:40
Speaker 1: are involved with the police again. So that's one that
1:12:43
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest problem that we face by
1:12:45
Speaker 1: way of challenge. If we all got on board and
1:12:48
Speaker 1: we all said, yes, we need more police, we're going
1:12:50
Speaker 1: to do more lateral hires, we're going to refill the ranks,
1:12:52
Speaker 1: we're going to start better patrolling. We'll come up with
1:12:54
Speaker 1: all the solutions for the police department to do whatever's
1:12:57
Speaker 1: within their power to do. If there's nobody on the
1:13:00
Speaker 1: tail end providing the justice that's necessary, the deterrence effect
1:13:04
Speaker 1: that's part of the justice system, then it's a pointless gesture.
1:13:08
Speaker 1: And I know you have talked to officers and uh
1:13:12
Speaker 1: and I told you before My sister's a retired police officer.
1:13:16
Speaker 1: She still has a lot of friends and they stay
1:13:17
Speaker 1: in time. And I've talked to other people and uh,
1:13:20
Speaker 1: we had a judge on yesterday. Betsy Sunderman also the
1:13:27
Speaker 1: same conclusion that morale is in the toilet and police
1:13:30
Speaker 1: don't have any incentive to actually do their job and
1:13:33
Speaker 1: enforce the law.
1:13:34
Speaker 12: Absolutely, yeah, you do.
1:13:36
Speaker 13: You see, uh, you know, not in the information that
1:13:40
Speaker 13: I posted is that's just scratching the surface. That that
1:13:44
Speaker 13: is you know, some cases that we were able to
1:13:47
Speaker 13: get a hold of it and show, but it's just
1:13:49
Speaker 13: showing a trend. You know, it's a single data point,
1:13:52
Speaker 13: but it's showing a trend of what the jujitsial system
1:13:56
Speaker 13: is is doing and they how they are interpreting the
1:14:01
Speaker 13: law and really taking matters into their own hands instead
1:14:05
Speaker 13: of it's like, if you're going to do that, then
1:14:07
Speaker 13: where is the critical thinking. You're not supposed to write
1:14:10
Speaker 13: like it's supposed to be interpretation of the law, but
1:14:13
Speaker 13: you're just letting these people out.
1:14:15
Speaker 12: Over and over and over again.
1:14:17
Speaker 13: And the truth is is there are very few people
1:14:21
Speaker 13: who are doing most of the crimes. It's not that
1:14:26
Speaker 13: you know, and that is why you're seeing them over
1:14:30
Speaker 13: and over and over again, and there is no deterrence
1:14:36
Speaker 13: for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati. They criminals
1:14:41
Speaker 13: are making fools of them. They are not afraid of
1:14:44
Speaker 13: the cops, they are not afraid of judges. They are
1:14:49
Speaker 13: are killing. There's a murder every single night. And also
1:14:56
Speaker 13: the crime that is happening, all of those can easily
1:15:00
Speaker 13: escalate to murder. So even when the chief of police
1:15:03
Speaker 13: is saying, well we only have five percent of crime
1:15:06
Speaker 13: as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the other crimes
1:15:09
Speaker 13: that are happening can very easily turn into that. And
1:15:14
Speaker 13: there they there is no fear happening like this. You
1:15:19
Speaker 13: know what happened to Patrick. We were not out on
1:15:22
Speaker 13: the streets. We were sleeping at our home. Yeah, and
1:15:27
Speaker 13: he entered our home expecting right, Yes.
1:15:32
Speaker 12: Like not worried about it at all. Yes, quite honestly.
1:15:37
Speaker 13: And when you have when you have a certain population
1:15:42
Speaker 13: that none of us can think the way they think,
1:15:45
Speaker 13: there's there you know, that's the whole thing. We even
1:15:49
Speaker 13: when you're talking about people who want to be lenient
1:15:51
Speaker 13: on criminals, we don't.
1:15:53
Speaker 12: Have the mind of them.
1:15:55
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
1:15:56
Speaker 13: We we like that that is not we We wouldn't
1:16:00
Speaker 13: do something right in the.
1:16:02
Speaker 1: Right mind, would kick a door in in the middle
1:16:06
Speaker 1: of the night, knowing full well that someone was occupying
1:16:09
Speaker 1: that dwelling, you know, And if that were to happen
1:16:11
Speaker 1: in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm a proponent of
1:16:15
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right. I'm a
1:16:18
Speaker 1: consumed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms in my home.
1:16:22
Speaker 1: I'm prepared for that situation, you see.
1:16:28
Speaker 12: And it's is you know.
1:16:32
Speaker 1: It speaks volumes and being woken up at four o'clock
1:16:34
Speaker 1: in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm glad
1:16:38
Speaker 1: you made that point out lawd it's time for a break.
1:16:40
Speaker 1: We're gonna continue this discussion because I want you to
1:16:42
Speaker 1: enlighten my listeners about some of the other crime that
1:16:45
Speaker 1: you personally and your late husband experience leading up to
1:16:49
Speaker 1: June fourth, because I think some of my listeners will
1:16:52
Speaker 1: be quite surprised about what I believe you described as
1:16:55
Speaker 1: feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing thing stuff, folks.
1:16:59
Speaker 1: It's seven twenty five right now. We'll be right back
1:17:01
Speaker 1: with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away. Fifty five the talk
1:17:06
Speaker 1: station you don't think of there seven twenty nine here
1:17:08
Speaker 1: fifty five KCD talk station tried to have a happy
1:17:12
Speaker 1: Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the subject matter we're
1:17:14
Speaker 1: dealing with here, and it is a tragedy that gave
1:17:17
Speaker 1: rise to my conversation this morning here with Sarah Heringer
1:17:20
Speaker 1: in studio lost her husband to murder in their own
1:17:23
Speaker 1: home four o'clock in the morning, which is obviously an
1:17:27
Speaker 1: illustration of at least one of the many problems we
1:17:30
Speaker 1: have in the city Cincinnati with crime. And you know
1:17:32
Speaker 1: this can be a learned behavior. Sarah. You were telling
1:17:37
Speaker 1: me about some of the crime that you and your
1:17:40
Speaker 1: late husband experienced leading up to the fourth because you've
1:17:43
Speaker 1: been in that area for about seven years plus or minus.
1:17:45
Speaker 1: You had your business started there, so you had a
1:17:47
Speaker 1: lot of interactions with, you know, folks in the community,
1:17:50
Speaker 1: good and bad. Let my listeners know about some of
1:17:53
Speaker 1: the what you described, and I thought it was a
1:17:54
Speaker 1: great way you phrased at these feral gangs of children
1:17:58
Speaker 1: that you had encountered regularly.
1:17:59
Speaker 13: YEA, every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,
1:18:05
Speaker 13: there's uh here they come and you see packs of children,
1:18:11
Speaker 13: and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,
1:18:16
Speaker 13: sometimes all the way down to five years old, but
1:18:20
Speaker 13: around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,
1:18:25
Speaker 13: nine of them and there's one teenager you know, that's
1:18:29
Speaker 13: in charge of all of them. And there's not a
1:18:32
Speaker 13: parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like, oh,
1:18:35
Speaker 13: it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights out
1:18:38
Speaker 13: in Cincinnati.
1:18:39
Speaker 12: Just our summer's here are amazing.
1:18:41
Speaker 13: It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're
1:18:45
Speaker 13: running amok and there's zero supervision, parenting, consideration for their
1:18:51
Speaker 13: safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice in
1:18:58
Speaker 13: the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last seven
1:19:01
Speaker 13: plus years.
1:19:02
Speaker 1: Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,
1:19:07
Speaker 1: people who work with you know, human services and trying
1:19:11
Speaker 1: to provide a better path in a better way. I mean,
1:19:13
Speaker 1: it is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more
1:19:15
Speaker 1: discussions I even can remember about that. And without fail,
1:19:20
Speaker 1: almost one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at
1:19:23
Speaker 1: the criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of
1:19:26
Speaker 1: the loss of the nuclear family. The fact that these
1:19:29
Speaker 1: children don't live in a loving environment, even just if
1:19:31
Speaker 1: it's one parent. And I think that I mean that
1:19:34
Speaker 1: right there, what you said, that they're somewhere where this
1:19:37
Speaker 1: child ultimately goes and calls home, that there's not a
1:19:41
Speaker 1: person there fretting and worrying over the fact that they're
1:19:45
Speaker 1: eight nine year old child isn't home by midnight even
1:19:50
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, on in any given night, I don't
1:19:53
Speaker 1: care if it's Saturday or Tuesday.
1:19:55
Speaker 5: No.
1:19:55
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And
1:19:58
Speaker 13: that's where it starts. That's why even you know, thinking
1:20:02
Speaker 13: that prison is going to reform people, it's like prison
1:20:05
Speaker 13: does not reform anyone. And you have to start back
1:20:09
Speaker 13: at that age, back at that point. That starting point
1:20:12
Speaker 13: is is really where it begins is with children.
1:20:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.
1:20:16
Speaker 13: Absolutely, there has to be consequences, and there really are none.
1:20:21
Speaker 13: And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,
1:20:24
Speaker 13: it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences
1:20:28
Speaker 13: to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually.
1:20:31
Speaker 12: Have none, what are you teaching them?
1:20:33
Speaker 1: Well? And you can make a parallel to the education
1:20:36
Speaker 1: system that way as well. If you're going to go
1:20:37
Speaker 1: ahead and pass a child along to the next grade
1:20:40
Speaker 1: when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master
1:20:42
Speaker 1: the material in the grade they're in. They're not going
1:20:46
Speaker 1: to learn anything, but they will learn that regardless of
1:20:49
Speaker 1: how little effort they put into the project, they're going
1:20:51
Speaker 1: to get moved forward.
1:20:52
Speaker 12: Absolutely.
1:20:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred
1:20:58
Speaker 1: to him as a junior arsonists.
1:21:02
Speaker 13: Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've
1:21:08
Speaker 13: encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.
1:21:15
Speaker 13: We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck
1:21:19
Speaker 13: and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,
1:21:23
Speaker 13: maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras
1:21:26
Speaker 13: and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on fire.
1:21:31
Speaker 13: And when the fire marshall, who did an exceptional job
1:21:35
Speaker 13: finding them catching them right away, it was not their
1:21:39
Speaker 13: first offense. The one, the kid who had actually set
1:21:43
Speaker 13: fire to the boxes, that was his third arson charge,
1:21:47
Speaker 13: and in between the time of him being caught and
1:21:50
Speaker 13: booked for arson of our truck and showing up for
1:21:53
Speaker 13: his first day of court, he had also been tagged
1:21:56
Speaker 13: with a agglevated burglary attempt, and so the this is
1:22:04
Speaker 13: a juvenile and you know, even if we want to
1:22:07
Speaker 13: talk about the juvenile court system, I mean that the
1:22:10
Speaker 13: whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first, punished second.
1:22:15
Speaker 13: But that started back when kids were shoplifting, not when
1:22:20
Speaker 13: they were doing the type of crime that they are
1:22:22
Speaker 13: committing now.
1:22:24
Speaker 1: And including gun crime.
1:22:26
Speaker 13: Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very
1:22:33
Speaker 13: different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again
1:22:37
Speaker 13: not the type that you're you know, a child that
1:22:41
Speaker 13: has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not
1:22:46
Speaker 13: not the same outcomes, right, clearly, clearly, and uh you know,
1:22:53
Speaker 13: get the getting the child, getting the kid to even
1:22:56
Speaker 13: show up. We did press charges because we're like, listen,
1:22:59
Speaker 13: you set our truck on fire. And this was not
1:23:01
Speaker 13: the first time you did this. This was not a oh,
1:23:04
Speaker 13: I'm gonna see what happens, and right, yeah, this is
1:23:08
Speaker 13: something that you're intentionally doing. They knew to cover their faces.
1:23:12
Speaker 13: They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,
1:23:15
Speaker 13: they're well versed in this. And then clearly I thought
1:23:18
Speaker 13: nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start
1:23:22
Speaker 13: going through the court process and you see that they
1:23:24
Speaker 13: don't show up. It ended up being far more of
1:23:29
Speaker 13: a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick getting subpoenaed
1:23:32
Speaker 13: all the time, and he's like, no.
1:23:35
Speaker 12: I don't want to charge the parents' money.
1:23:37
Speaker 13: I want this kid to stop being a menace to society.
1:23:41
Speaker 13: And there's nothing in the system to hold them accountable.
1:23:44
Speaker 13: So we ended up just being like, ah, just you know,
1:23:47
Speaker 13: leave it like it's I can't keep being subpoena and
1:23:50
Speaker 13: stop everything that I'm doing. It had been well more
1:23:54
Speaker 13: than a year and we're still dealing with this. And
1:23:57
Speaker 13: the other thing was in the summer of twenty three,
1:23:59
Speaker 13: and this this was a really big issue. We're in
1:24:01
Speaker 13: the market district, family market area and our business was
1:24:06
Speaker 13: broken into multiple times. Now multiple businesses, over nine businesses
1:24:11
Speaker 13: in that market area had been broken into. There is
1:24:14
Speaker 13: a bar that ended up having to go out of
1:24:16
Speaker 13: business because they were broken into so many times. At
1:24:21
Speaker 13: some point you're like, you can't You're going to be unensurable.
1:24:23
Speaker 13: You can't keep firing or filing. And we, you know,
1:24:29
Speaker 13: the business owners we had congregated, we were we were
1:24:34
Speaker 13: meeting with city council trying to get help, trying to
1:24:36
Speaker 13: get help. I ended up having to go to the
1:24:38
Speaker 13: media then as well in order to get any type
1:24:42
Speaker 13: of response from the city. And then they put a
1:24:45
Speaker 13: beat cop down there during the day so people coming
1:24:48
Speaker 13: in would feel safe. And it's like that is not
1:24:50
Speaker 13: when criminals are doing crime. So again it's already then
1:24:56
Speaker 13: we see optics and not doing the work to protect
1:25:02
Speaker 13: the business owners of that area. And the truth is
1:25:06
Speaker 13: there was no policing done. We had on our instance,
1:25:11
Speaker 13: they sent over a cop. She had a tiny little notepad. Uh,
1:25:16
Speaker 13: you were broken into, no fingerprints, we had cameras, they
1:25:20
Speaker 13: did not ask for footage at all. There was nothing
1:25:24
Speaker 13: as far as looking for the actual person. And then
1:25:29
Speaker 13: there was one one guy who was arrested, the one
1:25:32
Speaker 13: who actually did the break in. One night, we had
1:25:35
Speaker 13: seven people break in at once because the one guy
1:25:39
Speaker 13: broke in and multiple people came in. Patrick had to go,
1:25:42
Speaker 13: my husband had to go and find that person and
1:25:45
Speaker 13: have choice words because he kept trying to break in
1:25:47
Speaker 13: during business hours. Even there's no the criminals do not
1:25:53
Speaker 13: fear police, they do not fear repercussions. And so Patrick
1:25:58
Speaker 13: and that's you know, handled it in a way. He's
1:26:01
Speaker 13: a pretty intimidating looking guy. And you know, the other
1:26:06
Speaker 13: guy didn't come back, but he even went to the
1:26:08
Speaker 13: police and was like, I can show you where he is.
1:26:11
Speaker 13: And the one that they they did end up arresting,
1:26:14
Speaker 13: who truly was mentally ill and really didn't do a
1:26:17
Speaker 13: lot of harm. I actually got a letter last week.
1:26:22
Speaker 13: It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey, this guy didn't
1:26:25
Speaker 13: show up for his court dates, so we've warrant to
1:26:27
Speaker 13: you know, we've worn out for his arrest and if
1:26:30
Speaker 13: you need anything, called the victim's advocate. And it's it's like,
1:26:34
Speaker 13: it's just a it's a clown show the whole thing.
1:26:38
Speaker 13: You're like, there isn't going to be justice with the
1:26:43
Speaker 13: current system that's happening. There's no follow through. And yeah,
1:26:48
Speaker 13: I think you know there is even down to a
1:26:50
Speaker 13: point which we talked about earlier, and apathy that is
1:26:54
Speaker 13: coming that is so clear from the police department at
1:26:58
Speaker 13: this point because they're humans, and how many times can
1:27:02
Speaker 13: you just see the same criminal release before you're like,
1:27:04
Speaker 13: what am I doing?
1:27:05
Speaker 1: We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Heringer back for a couple
1:27:08
Speaker 1: more segments here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show,
1:27:10
Speaker 1: Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to
1:27:14
Speaker 1: get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening
1:27:16
Speaker 1: who might decide to start working on some solution. And
1:27:20
Speaker 1: speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about
1:27:22
Speaker 1: some of the ones that they have put in place
1:27:24
Speaker 1: and whether she believes any of them are bearing any
1:27:27
Speaker 1: fruit along the positive lines direction. Seven thirty nine Right now,
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Speaker 1: fifty five KRCIT Talk Station OCAUEH fifty five KARC dot com.
1:27:35
Speaker 10: Life is better with less financial Stress.
1:27:38
Speaker 1: Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brent
1:27:41
Speaker 1: Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,
1:27:44
Speaker 1: murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme
1:27:47
Speaker 1: talking about problems in hearing in the system, and I
1:27:49
Speaker 1: think we've identified a lot of them. But what about
1:27:52
Speaker 1: the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community activism
1:27:56
Speaker 1: is supposed to be going on, funded by a government
1:27:58
Speaker 1: that's to address the problems that we're talking about today?
1:28:01
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act.
1:28:05
Speaker 12: Act Initiative initiative.
1:28:07
Speaker 13: Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a
1:28:12
Speaker 13: lot of you know, really passionate flowy language, you know,
1:28:17
Speaker 13: trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's
1:28:26
Speaker 13: well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be
1:28:31
Speaker 13: beautiful for the community and that everyone would want.
1:28:36
Speaker 3: Uh.
1:28:36
Speaker 13: However, the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,
1:28:40
Speaker 13: the numbers that I found is about five and a
1:28:42
Speaker 13: half million dollars has been dumped into this program of
1:28:45
Speaker 13: taxpayer money, right, like, that's everything the government pays for
1:28:49
Speaker 13: is our money. And uh, there is zero line by
1:28:55
Speaker 13: line on where.
1:28:56
Speaker 12: This money is being spent.
1:28:58
Speaker 13: We know it's going to non profits, we know it's
1:29:01
Speaker 13: going to consultants, but there's also no metrics for success
1:29:05
Speaker 13: attached to it. How will you know something is working?
1:29:09
Speaker 13: Where is the transparency on accountability? All of this money
1:29:14
Speaker 13: that's being put into you know, giving out sandwiches and
1:29:19
Speaker 13: hip hop classes, how is that deterring gun violence?
1:29:22
Speaker 12: And how can you prove.
1:29:23
Speaker 13: That this money being spent is doing exactly what it
1:29:27
Speaker 13: says that it's going to be doing. And there just
1:29:30
Speaker 13: is zero follow through metrics, accountability, transparency, And it extends
1:29:36
Speaker 13: far beyond just the act initiative. There's really no published
1:29:40
Speaker 13: data betwind spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs
1:29:45
Speaker 13: that they the police have told me this that they
1:29:49
Speaker 13: just keep renaming but they already know doesn't work. But
1:29:53
Speaker 13: they need to put money somewhere. And that is a
1:29:58
Speaker 13: big problem, is is they just keep funding and putting
1:30:03
Speaker 13: things and you know, paying people salaries.
1:30:06
Speaker 1: Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what
1:30:09
Speaker 1: we brought, you cut the ribbon, and then never talk
1:30:11
Speaker 1: about it again.
1:30:12
Speaker 12: No, absolutely no follow through.
1:30:14
Speaker 13: Do we know what we're doing is working and this
1:30:17
Speaker 13: is how we're going to measure it and if it's not,
1:30:19
Speaker 13: then we already have a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes
1:30:22
Speaker 13: you need some trial and error in order to get
1:30:24
Speaker 13: things to work, recognize, but you have to have the
1:30:27
Speaker 13: accountability and transparency. And I think that is the number
1:30:31
Speaker 13: one issue that we are seeing with our local government
1:30:36
Speaker 13: is there is zero of that. There is zero transparency,
1:30:40
Speaker 13: there's zero accountability, and they are not measuring or tracking.
1:30:45
Speaker 13: And so you might even have well intended and good people,
1:30:49
Speaker 13: but they're not competent enough to measure the outcomes of
1:30:54
Speaker 13: something because they don't exist and they think they're doing
1:30:58
Speaker 13: a great job and they're not. And the results, as
1:31:01
Speaker 13: we've seen in Cincinnati, speak for itself.
1:31:03
Speaker 1: You know the crime levels.
1:31:04
Speaker 13: I think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever
1:31:06
Speaker 13: their funding is not working.
1:31:08
Speaker 1: So yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're
1:31:12
Speaker 1: looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not.
1:31:14
Speaker 1: You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types
1:31:17
Speaker 1: of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,
1:31:20
Speaker 1: but for but they're still on the upswech yes, we're
1:31:23
Speaker 1: not getting better than last year. We're getting worse.
1:31:25
Speaker 13: Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the downtown OTR area
1:31:30
Speaker 13: that is really skyrocketed in crime.
1:31:34
Speaker 1: And destroying what they the very thing that they were
1:31:38
Speaker 1: looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now I'm
1:31:41
Speaker 1: old enough I worked in over the Rhine at Finley
1:31:43
Speaker 1: Market when I was in late high school in early college.
1:31:46
Speaker 1: That was before any money was in. It was just
1:31:49
Speaker 1: really kind of comparatively a disaster visually anyway, But honestly,
1:31:53
Speaker 1: I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety
1:31:56
Speaker 1: or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get
1:31:58
Speaker 1: there at five o'clock in the morning warning and sometimes
1:32:00
Speaker 1: you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes, I
1:32:03
Speaker 1: was underage. They didn't really care back then and maybe
1:32:05
Speaker 1: not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was there
1:32:07
Speaker 1: in different hours, but never I never was concerned parked
1:32:10
Speaker 1: on the street walk by myself to my car. I
1:32:14
Speaker 1: wouldn't do that now to save my soul.
1:32:16
Speaker 13: No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then, however, Yeah,
1:32:21
Speaker 13: I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.
1:32:24
Speaker 13: And this is because of right the current leadership that
1:32:28
Speaker 13: we have.
1:32:29
Speaker 1: And I imagine it is probably having an impact on
1:32:32
Speaker 1: real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent six
1:32:35
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get that
1:32:37
Speaker 1: back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and the
1:32:41
Speaker 1: motive behind it to get young money earning taxpayers to
1:32:45
Speaker 1: move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that they
1:32:50
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.
1:32:53
Speaker 1: Why because they embraced this sort of liberal philosophy when
1:32:56
Speaker 1: it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.
1:32:59
Speaker 1: We'll have a few more minute. It's with Sarah Herringer.
1:33:01
Speaker 1: Take a quick break. Here be right back fifty five KRC,
1:33:04
Speaker 1: the talk station. I'm seven fifty one, fifty five KRC
1:33:08
Speaker 1: the talk station, closing out this hour long discussion with
1:33:14
Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer, the widow of Patrick Herringer, and we've been
1:33:18
Speaker 1: talking about the aftermath of the tragedy that happened to
1:33:20
Speaker 1: their home on June fourth, when someone broke into their
1:33:23
Speaker 1: home in the middle of the night, four o'clock in
1:33:24
Speaker 1: the morning and stabbed her late husband to death. And
1:33:27
Speaker 1: this has given her a platform to bring to everyone's attention,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: most notably those who might not be inclined to vote
1:33:34
Speaker 1: in an election. I will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah.
1:33:37
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but
1:33:39
Speaker 1: at least you know you're in a position because of
1:33:43
Speaker 1: this that people are paying attention to what you're saying. Right,
1:33:48
Speaker 1: You're a provider of valuable information, and with the spotlight
1:33:52
Speaker 1: on you, people are like, oh my god. I did
1:33:55
Speaker 1: not know that was going on. I did not know
1:33:58
Speaker 1: that we had no accountability with these program I didn't
1:34:00
Speaker 1: realize the judicial system was this broke when we got
1:34:03
Speaker 1: judges releasing these repeat offenders over and over again. So
1:34:07
Speaker 1: I know my listening audience, and I certainly applaud your
1:34:09
Speaker 1: efforts in doing this, because in spite of the tragedy,
1:34:12
Speaker 1: you have to deal with and continue to cope with
1:34:14
Speaker 1: at least you have the limelight for a while. Do
1:34:17
Speaker 1: you think there is any possibility as we fast approach
1:34:22
Speaker 1: the November election, we have a complete Democrat council and
1:34:26
Speaker 1: I don't think that necessarily means that they are against
1:34:30
Speaker 1: police or not. But we know over the past forty
1:34:33
Speaker 1: years what has happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're
1:34:36
Speaker 1: down on police numbers. We know they didn't get ahead
1:34:38
Speaker 1: of the police department numbers loss. We know that they
1:34:42
Speaker 1: in some cases maybe of allocated resources that should have
1:34:44
Speaker 1: gone to law enforcement or public safety in other directions.
1:34:49
Speaker 1: Do you think there's still hope for the city? I mean,
1:34:51
Speaker 1: would an administration change or a shake up on the
1:34:54
Speaker 1: membership of council or maybe the mayor. And I know
1:34:57
Speaker 1: it's an unlikely scenario that the city's going to start
1:34:59
Speaker 1: maybe turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a
1:35:03
Speaker 1: seat change on council and leadership might help?
1:35:07
Speaker 13: I would have to say yes that a seat change
1:35:11
Speaker 13: would help. I also want to be critical of those
1:35:17
Speaker 13: who just think if we changed over the entire regime,
1:35:20
Speaker 13: then these problems would just go away overnight.
1:35:24
Speaker 12: It's still power.
1:35:25
Speaker 13: That is being abused and what's really important for people
1:35:31
Speaker 13: to understand and to learn how to navigate when we're
1:35:34
Speaker 13: intentionally not tadd this. As Americans, you get a Civics
1:35:38
Speaker 13: class in ninth grade when you're too young and you
1:35:40
Speaker 13: don't care, and the rest of your time is spent
1:35:42
Speaker 13: on STEM. You only learn about the political system if
1:35:45
Speaker 13: you choose to major as a political science major. But
1:35:50
Speaker 13: there needs to be a demand of transparency and accountability
1:35:55
Speaker 13: for whomever is in leadership, and the leadership now they
1:36:02
Speaker 13: they could change, you know, if we go back to
1:36:05
Speaker 13: cancel culture even it's like, why don't you give people
1:36:08
Speaker 13: an opportunity to make changes and show us can they
1:36:12
Speaker 13: or will they?
1:36:13
Speaker 12: And if they won't, then yeah.
1:36:15
Speaker 13: I think that's a pretty good argument for getting someone
1:36:17
Speaker 13: out and giving someone who is saying that they're in
1:36:21
Speaker 13: alignment with your values and want what you want a
1:36:24
Speaker 13: really good chance.
1:36:25
Speaker 12: And it is the truth. You may not get that entirely.
1:36:31
Speaker 13: And so I don't think we should put all of
1:36:33
Speaker 13: our eggs in one basket of we need a complete
1:36:36
Speaker 13: new regime, We need an entirely new leadership. We also
1:36:40
Speaker 13: need to learn how to use our voices to hold
1:36:42
Speaker 13: those accountable who are there.
1:36:45
Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I
1:36:47
Speaker 1: am take a cheap shot at after have Purwall when
1:36:51
Speaker 1: he leaves town after knowing full well there has been
1:36:53
Speaker 1: a terribly violent occurrence in the city, and he decides
1:36:57
Speaker 1: to leave in the afternoon and go on vacation anyway, Yes,
1:37:00
Speaker 1: I said that out loud. I'm not putting words in
1:37:02
Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it speaks volumes about
1:37:06
Speaker 1: a failed administration. Sarah. I I am a listening audience,
1:37:10
Speaker 1: and I pray for you, you know, for your swift
1:37:13
Speaker 1: recovery in the aftermath. It's very an emotional time for you.
1:37:15
Speaker 1: But again, I really truly applaud your efforts and trying
1:37:19
Speaker 1: to get people engaged and involved. And if you could
1:37:22
Speaker 1: ask something of my listening audience, I mean, what would
1:37:24
Speaker 1: you say, I mean, be more like me and bring
1:37:26
Speaker 1: this to people's attention, talk about it more. I mean,
1:37:29
Speaker 1: any advice or something you would ask of them, Yeah,
1:37:31
Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 12: I wouldn't tell them to be more like me.
1:37:33
Speaker 13: I would say I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,
1:37:37
Speaker 13: for sure. But these are really important things and people.
1:37:41
Speaker 13: I do believe that most people are good people. They're
1:37:45
Speaker 13: doing the best that they can, and we all want
1:37:50
Speaker 13: safe you know, safe homes, safe communities, a place for
1:37:55
Speaker 13: us to have a good life, for us to create
1:37:59
Speaker 13: beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits
1:38:03
Speaker 13: of everything that we're working so hard for. And I
1:38:07
Speaker 13: think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.
1:38:10
Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.
1:38:13
Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,
1:38:17
Speaker 1: and I hope you continue. You got a good voice,
1:38:19
Speaker 1: you have obviously a lot of respect from a lot
1:38:22
Speaker 1: of people generally speaking for what you're doing and the
1:38:25
Speaker 1: courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that
1:38:29
Speaker 1: gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep
1:38:32
Speaker 1: up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need
1:38:34
Speaker 1: a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,
1:38:37
Speaker 1: if you get additional developments you want to spread farther
1:38:40
Speaker 1: and wider, you are more than welcome to just even
1:38:43
Speaker 1: place a phone call here to the fifty five krs
1:38:45
Speaker 1: more and Shore, or make the trip back in. I
1:38:47
Speaker 1: love having the studio.
1:38:48
Speaker 12: Yep, We'll come anytime.
1:38:50
Speaker 10: Today's top headlines coming up at the top.
1:38:53
Speaker 1: Of the hour.
1:38:53
Speaker 10: The changes every minute fifty.
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Speaker 1: Five krz the talk station hour or more yesterday on
1:39:00
Speaker 1: this man's Facebook page. You should follow him on Facebook.
1:39:03
Speaker 1: Andrea an Dre Andre ewing for retired since St police officer,
1:39:08
Speaker 1: thirty years of service to our community. Proud of that
1:39:11
Speaker 1: he is and he continues to advocate. He is the
1:39:14
Speaker 1: founder of a called Curse Breakers, three hundred strong and
1:39:18
Speaker 1: Death Row Ministries. UH Police Peace Officer Deactivation Specialist Andre
1:39:24
Speaker 1: ewing Man, I am so pleased you came in to
1:39:25
Speaker 1: talk to us this morning. It's pleasure to have you
1:39:27
Speaker 1: in the studio.
1:39:28
Speaker 9: Thank you, brother Brian. I appreciate it. I'm so glad
1:39:32
Speaker 9: to be here. And I'm on fire. You are on fire, yes, sir.
1:39:35
Speaker 1: And that's what was so cool about what you were saying,
1:39:37
Speaker 1: speaking truth to power, passionate and your reaction to the
1:39:42
Speaker 1: violence in the city of Cincinnati, which it sounds I
1:39:44
Speaker 1: mean it's almost as if you knew it was coming
1:39:46
Speaker 1: because you posted a video on the twenty fourth criticizing
1:39:50
Speaker 1: the administration. You were at Police Chief threes Thiji and
1:39:53
Speaker 1: you know all about it because you're a police officer
1:39:55
Speaker 1: for that period of time. Share along. You went after
1:39:58
Speaker 1: the mayor officials demanding a change in administration because clearly
1:40:03
Speaker 1: we're on the wrong path. And then one day later,
1:40:07
Speaker 1: look what happens in downtown Cincinnati. So you had a
1:40:09
Speaker 1: nice follow up to that one. So let my listeners
1:40:11
Speaker 1: know where you are on all this Andre.
1:40:13
Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's disgusting, disgusting.
1:40:17
Speaker 9: Just listening to Chief Thiji's interview yesterday, it was absolutely ridiculous.
1:40:22
Speaker 9: We are a nationwide joke right now in Cincinnati, the
1:40:27
Speaker 9: issues of talking about you only had uh two officers
1:40:33
Speaker 9: respond that was dispatched. That was in the central Business section,
1:40:37
Speaker 9: and she even said, over one hundred thousand people and
1:40:40
Speaker 9: you're dispatching cars to a scene where there's so many
1:40:44
Speaker 9: people and vehicles. But here here we have around the
1:40:49
Speaker 9: country where people are getting ran over. Why wasn't those
1:40:52
Speaker 9: streets just completely blocked off that there were no vehicle
1:40:56
Speaker 9: traffic number one so the officers can get there and
1:41:00
Speaker 9: there's no officers on.
1:41:02
Speaker 10: Foot in the area. Absolutely unacceptable.
1:41:05
Speaker 1: It took us six minutes to get there, which you know,
1:41:08
Speaker 1: in terms of response time. I don't know if that's
1:41:10
Speaker 1: good or bad, but you're talking about a downtown Cincinnati
1:41:13
Speaker 1: that's got three major events going on, and people don't
1:41:16
Speaker 1: just pack up and go home at eleven pm when
1:41:18
Speaker 1: the rock when the music stops, they head over the
1:41:20
Speaker 1: door district and go into the bars. And so they're
1:41:22
Speaker 1: going to be into the bars until the bars are
1:41:23
Speaker 1: going to close. So you have obviously a lot of
1:41:27
Speaker 1: people that are going to be pouring into that neighborhood.
1:41:29
Speaker 1: You would expect it to be police all over, and
1:41:31
Speaker 1: that's what you were advocating for on your on your
1:41:33
Speaker 1: Facebook posts. How come there were police on the on
1:41:35
Speaker 1: the corners of the street in an area where you knew,
1:41:37
Speaker 1: damn well, there's going to be a whole bunch of people.
1:41:40
Speaker 9: My point exactly, why didn't you have police on every corner,
1:41:46
Speaker 9: saturated to tell people welcome to Cincinnati, wave at people.
1:41:52
Speaker 10: But no, why because.
1:41:53
Speaker 9: Administration did not allocate the proper units downtown to deactivate
1:42:01
Speaker 9: things like.
1:42:01
Speaker 1: This or just to prevent them from happening by their
1:42:04
Speaker 1: mere presence. Absolutely, yeah, and that you know the police
1:42:07
Speaker 1: presidence is so critical. Now respond to this, and I'm
1:42:10
Speaker 1: not really playing devil's advocate because I'm in full agreement
1:42:13
Speaker 1: with your perception at what should have gone down. But
1:42:15
Speaker 1: her response. Police Chief Thigi's response might be, well, we're understaffed.
1:42:20
Speaker 1: They only had three officers at that moment in time,
1:42:23
Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning that were even available
1:42:26
Speaker 1: to respond. That's a pretty sizable area. And of course
1:42:30
Speaker 1: with all those people there, clearly three officers ain't gonna
1:42:34
Speaker 1: cut it exactly.
1:42:35
Speaker 9: So if you know you're gonna be understaffed prior to
1:42:39
Speaker 9: then wouldn't you make the proper adjustments beforehand? We knew
1:42:44
Speaker 9: a year out this event is coming to town, and
1:42:47
Speaker 9: you see the things that are curring, but yet you
1:42:50
Speaker 9: did not plan effectively and had no type of strategy.
1:42:56
Speaker 9: So that should tell you once again leadership map and
1:43:00
Speaker 9: in this case, leadership failed.
1:43:02
Speaker 10: And what do you have?
1:43:04
Speaker 9: Total chaos in the city of Cincinnati. I told them before,
1:43:08
Speaker 9: you must want Gotham City. And I've always said on
1:43:11
Speaker 9: my post, who's next?
1:43:14
Speaker 1: Who's next? There? But for the grace of God go
1:43:16
Speaker 1: anybody that goes downtown. And I know you had some
1:43:18
Speaker 1: really pointed comments and warnings to my white friends out
1:43:23
Speaker 1: in the listening audience about what they should prepare for
1:43:27
Speaker 1: and maybe shouldn't even bother going downtown because I think
1:43:29
Speaker 1: that's your choice. As well. He said major events like that,
1:43:33
Speaker 1: you're not going to get anywhere near.
1:43:34
Speaker 10: Them, absolutely not, absolutely not.
1:43:37
Speaker 9: We see what's going on even locally and abroad nationwide,
1:43:43
Speaker 9: and if the police are not setting things up for
1:43:46
Speaker 9: us to feel safe and secure. And I walk into
1:43:50
Speaker 9: a situation and I see angry people, I see situations happening,
1:43:54
Speaker 9: and I just want to come out of an establishment
1:43:57
Speaker 9: and just walk down the street, and I may have
1:43:59
Speaker 9: an alter and the next thing you know, me and
1:44:02
Speaker 9: my friends may get completely beat down, and the narrative
1:44:07
Speaker 9: of being twisted, which is very interesting that I've seen.
1:44:10
Speaker 10: If this was an.
1:44:11
Speaker 9: Entire all white mob on a black person, it would
1:44:16
Speaker 9: be considered a.
1:44:17
Speaker 10: Hate crime from the get go, from the get go.
1:44:20
Speaker 9: But even Chief Fiji set there and said, this fight,
1:44:25
Speaker 9: this fight, We do know who it is. Turn yourself in, no,
1:44:29
Speaker 9: put these individuals on blast, name them by name, Let
1:44:35
Speaker 9: the people in the community know this behavior is unacceptable.
1:44:39
Speaker 9: So if it was actually disgusting to her, why are
1:44:42
Speaker 9: you requesting they turned themselves in versus putting their picture
1:44:47
Speaker 9: on TV and saying this is who it is and
1:44:50
Speaker 9: we're coming to get you.
1:44:52
Speaker 1: We'll bring back Andre Outstanding seven thirty six right now,
1:44:54
Speaker 1: if you've got a casity, the suxiations stick around.
1:44:57
Speaker 11: This is fifty five KRC and iHeart radio station.
1:45:01
Speaker 1: The party's just getting started. Outstanding, outspoken Andrea Ewing. Follow
1:45:07
Speaker 1: him on Facebook, check out his videos. He pulls literally
1:45:11
Speaker 1: no punchings at all. Andre. You know, I apologize I
1:45:13
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see your most recent post,
1:45:15
Speaker 1: but caption all in caps. This makes me sick. City
1:45:19
Speaker 1: leaders calling in the lincoln Ware shows saying the white
1:45:21
Speaker 1: man got the action he deserves. Now, I had heard
1:45:24
Speaker 1: that that some people said that this was totally justifiable.
1:45:28
Speaker 1: And I don't know what led to the ultimate melee
1:45:31
Speaker 1: and beat down of these people, but I can't come
1:45:34
Speaker 1: up with a single action that could justify that mob behavior.
1:45:37
Speaker 1: How could anybody suggest that that man or the woman
1:45:41
Speaker 1: who got punched square in the face deserved what they got.
1:45:45
Speaker 9: Exactly, There is no justification, period, zero justification. And when
1:45:51
Speaker 9: you look at that and the comments that were called
1:45:54
Speaker 9: in into the lincoln Ware Show, when you can read
1:45:57
Speaker 9: the comments and people saying, yeah, that's would he get
1:46:01
Speaker 9: you bring the action, you get the action. And we
1:46:03
Speaker 9: had literally leaders like David Whitehead, the leader of the
1:46:08
Speaker 9: NAACP call in, and it seemed as if he was
1:46:12
Speaker 9: being motivated by the comments that were constantly going against Smitherman.
1:46:18
Speaker 9: Collin Smitherman a coon, a sellout. And I'm sitting there
1:46:21
Speaker 9: watching and I'm listening and I'm reading. I said, this
1:46:25
Speaker 9: is disgusting that we have blacks that are saying this
1:46:30
Speaker 9: is what you get. So that's why I also stated,
1:46:33
Speaker 9: no wonder our young people are following suit, because if
1:46:38
Speaker 9: our own leaders are saying this is how you handle business,
1:46:43
Speaker 9: then don't say absolutely nothing to our children.
1:46:47
Speaker 1: You know, that's a really, really good point. And Christopher's
1:46:50
Speaker 1: been on that theme for a long time. It's where
1:46:52
Speaker 1: are our city leaders advocating to support the police, to
1:46:57
Speaker 1: support non violence, to you know, engage in a positive
1:47:02
Speaker 1: relationship with the police for the betterment of the communities.
1:47:05
Speaker 1: And I've heard time and time again the vast majority
1:47:08
Speaker 1: of blacks, if you talk to them individually, they want
1:47:11
Speaker 1: safe streets. They don't have a problem with the police.
1:47:13
Speaker 1: In fact, as illustrated by over the weekend, there aren't
1:47:16
Speaker 1: enough around. We need more. But the loud voice gets
1:47:20
Speaker 1: the attention, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and sadly,
1:47:24
Speaker 1: you know, the squeaky Wills. Perhaps the president current president
1:47:27
Speaker 1: of the NAACP's part of the problem. I don't know,
1:47:29
Speaker 1: but they're the ones that people tend to listen to.
1:47:31
Speaker 1: And that sounds like what representatives of the black community
1:47:37
Speaker 1: are advocating for. And yeah, that's gonna rub off on children. Absolutely,
1:47:41
Speaker 1: absolutely think about this.
1:47:42
Speaker 9: Sheryl Long literally remove District five, took it completely out
1:47:48
Speaker 9: of a community.
1:47:49
Speaker 10: But yet the.
1:47:50
Speaker 9: Mayor and the chief stand by and say safety is
1:47:55
Speaker 9: our number one priority. And we see that Sarah Harry,
1:48:00
Speaker 9: she blew the rooftop off of a lot of issues
1:48:04
Speaker 9: that the city was portraying and tested her own numbers
1:48:08
Speaker 9: against theirs.
1:48:10
Speaker 10: And so if it's your top priority, and now.
1:48:13
Speaker 9: All of a sudden you're saying, oh, we need more police,
1:48:16
Speaker 9: but you took a police district out of a community.
1:48:19
Speaker 10: Make it make sense, brother, Brian Police.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: I can't.
1:48:23
Speaker 6: You know.
1:48:23
Speaker 1: The only thing I can come up with, Annie is
1:48:25
Speaker 1: they are so afraid of acknowledging that there's a crime
1:48:29
Speaker 1: problem because it's bad press. It's gonna maybe make people considered.
1:48:34
Speaker 1: I don't want to move to Cincinnati, but you can,
1:48:36
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't deny your I mean it's like,
1:48:38
Speaker 1: don't believe you're lying eyes. People who live in the
1:48:41
Speaker 1: city know there's a problem. I mean, the police know
1:48:43
Speaker 1: their problem, and the ignoring the problem, and I think
1:48:48
Speaker 1: it's really probably driven by just the fact that we
1:48:50
Speaker 1: just don't want to acknowledge it, to talk about it
1:48:52
Speaker 1: because it just looks bad. Well, welcome to front page
1:48:55
Speaker 1: news across the United States of America with what happened
1:48:58
Speaker 1: on Saturday morning.
1:49:00
Speaker 9: One thousand percent. And police officers are frustrated. Oh yeah,
1:49:06
Speaker 9: they are extremely frustrated because I know for a fact
1:49:09
Speaker 9: that they do go out here and do their job
1:49:11
Speaker 9: and deal with a lot of issues, and they deactivate.
1:49:16
Speaker 10: As much as they can. They really do.
1:49:19
Speaker 9: But I've been an advocate to always say I'm not
1:49:21
Speaker 9: here to take sides. I'm here to save lives, and
1:49:25
Speaker 9: if my fellow officers are doing something they shouldn't be doing,
1:49:29
Speaker 9: I've always wanted to be an advocate to say, look,
1:49:32
Speaker 9: this is what's right, and this is what's wrong.
1:49:34
Speaker 10: But when I see it wrong, and I see.
1:49:36
Speaker 9: A community constantly going against itself, murders on the ride.
1:49:41
Speaker 10: Black on black crimes.
1:49:43
Speaker 9: And these same civil leaders have nothing to say, absolutely nothing.
1:49:49
Speaker 9: That's disgusting because we both know that the multiple murders
1:49:54
Speaker 9: that occur are with on our black youth and the
1:49:58
Speaker 9: murders in Cincinnati, and no one is taking accountability.
1:50:02
Speaker 1: We'll bring back Andre for one more segment Andre Ewing
1:50:05
Speaker 1: before we get to the bright part Insights scoop after
1:50:07
Speaker 1: the top of the air news again. Check him out
1:50:09
Speaker 1: on Facebook and the level you have what he has
1:50:11
Speaker 1: to say. One more segment with Andre Ewing.
1:50:14
Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC You're one stop for.
1:50:16
Speaker 1: A fifty about PARACP talk station Marinontown was with Andre Ewing,
1:50:19
Speaker 1: retired police officer and you're you're like a community activist.
1:50:22
Speaker 1: You speak to youth groups and and and you know,
1:50:26
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just kind of curious what you're doing
1:50:28
Speaker 1: in your your your in the time you're not here
1:50:31
Speaker 1: in my studio talking to my listeners. Right.
1:50:34
Speaker 2: Uh.
1:50:34
Speaker 10: Just did something with the Urban League. It was powerful.
1:50:37
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, the Urban Champions and just had a great
1:50:42
Speaker 9: encounter with some young youth and trying to promote and
1:50:46
Speaker 9: show them there's a different way to go about situations.
1:50:50
Speaker 9: And it's interesting everything that we told them to do.
1:50:54
Speaker 9: What they saw downtown was exactly the example we said
1:50:57
Speaker 9: This is what happens if you run to a five,
1:51:00
Speaker 9: if you go to a fight, if you present yourself
1:51:04
Speaker 9: and has speakers there telling them to turn the other
1:51:08
Speaker 9: way and to make sure that everyone is safe, everyone,
1:51:12
Speaker 9: not just some. Well, I appreciate your speaking to the
1:51:14
Speaker 9: young people. They certainly need a clear and convincing voice
1:51:17
Speaker 9: like yours.
1:51:18
Speaker 6: Um.
1:51:19
Speaker 1: But speaking of change, and I said to you off air,
1:51:23
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, Andre, You and I both
1:51:25
Speaker 1: know it. Come November, the residents of the city of
1:51:27
Speaker 1: Cincinnati have an opportunity to vote. And you know, the
1:51:31
Speaker 1: definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and
1:51:33
Speaker 1: over again and expecting a different result. But they're still
1:51:36
Speaker 1: going to vote for the same clowns in office. And
1:51:38
Speaker 1: you had advocated for a change in administration on your
1:51:40
Speaker 1: onet of your recent videos. What's your take on the
1:51:42
Speaker 1: upcoming election in November? And do you think this is
1:51:45
Speaker 1: an opportunity for change in the city of Cincinnati.
1:51:47
Speaker 10: It's a perfect opportunity for change.
1:51:50
Speaker 9: It's interesting because if this was a professional team and
1:51:53
Speaker 9: they went oh for twelve, what do you do we want.
1:51:57
Speaker 10: To go oh and twelve again?
1:52:00
Speaker 9: We talk about the Bengals, if they would have had
1:52:02
Speaker 9: the proper defense in place. Guess what might be talking
1:52:06
Speaker 9: about Super Bowl champs with the offense that they had,
1:52:09
Speaker 9: but guess what they decided to get more power, impactful
1:52:13
Speaker 9: people on defense. So let's deal with the truth of
1:52:16
Speaker 9: the matter. We are in a position to make change.
1:52:21
Speaker 9: I would love to see the debate. Let them go
1:52:24
Speaker 9: at it one on one, debate this thing, go right
1:52:28
Speaker 9: at the situation, and let's see who exactly would be
1:52:33
Speaker 9: best for the position of mayor because at this point,
1:52:38
Speaker 9: what we have seen and if you want this to
1:52:41
Speaker 9: continue at this state, we are going to be in
1:52:46
Speaker 9: a world of mess. And this is exactly what we see.
1:52:50
Speaker 9: And it should start from the top down. And I've
1:52:53
Speaker 9: said it before, Teresa Thiji needs to go.
1:52:57
Speaker 10: Yeah, just go out.
1:52:59
Speaker 9: There's so many powerful candidates out there, so many powerful
1:53:03
Speaker 9: candidates out there. She needs to resign, leave at this
1:53:07
Speaker 9: moment and allow us to go out and see if
1:53:11
Speaker 9: there are other individuals more qualified, more experienced and understand
1:53:17
Speaker 9: city dynamics and are willing to work with everyone.
1:53:21
Speaker 1: Well, this police chief THESI, I don't presume it, but
1:53:24
Speaker 1: I presume that you do regularly speak with members of
1:53:27
Speaker 1: law enforcement who are still actively with the police department.
1:53:30
Speaker 1: I mean you got friends, right, you hear you talk
1:53:32
Speaker 1: to them? How's it? Is there a sense that they
1:53:35
Speaker 1: have any respect for leadership within the department.
1:53:38
Speaker 10: Zero leadership and that's a shame.
1:53:40
Speaker 9: And I have this on one of my posts is
1:53:42
Speaker 9: where Sheryl Long was going into several police districts with
1:53:51
Speaker 9: actually Scottie Johnson and ask the police officers, who would
1:53:55
Speaker 9: you like to see a chief? And at the time
1:53:59
Speaker 9: the mud red tie had sat back and said, well,
1:54:03
Speaker 9: Lisa Davis, Colonel Lisa Davis said we would.
1:54:06
Speaker 10: We think she.
1:54:06
Speaker 9: Would be a great advocate. She's a community person, she understands.
1:54:11
Speaker 9: And guess what, she still picked Teresa Thiji. Now that's
1:54:16
Speaker 9: interesting because people did not officers did not want her
1:54:21
Speaker 9: in the morale and what you see and people being
1:54:25
Speaker 9: motivated started from the top down. And what Chryl Long
1:54:29
Speaker 9: decided to do without listening to officers and the proper
1:54:34
Speaker 9: way to select the chief of our city.
1:54:37
Speaker 10: And from these results, you are seeing.
1:54:40
Speaker 9: Us getting blasted by individuals on podcasts across the country
1:54:46
Speaker 9: talking about our city and how terrible it is.
1:54:49
Speaker 1: So low morale. And then I'm sure we of course
1:54:51
Speaker 1: know about the low morale within the police department because
1:54:54
Speaker 1: of the criminal justice system. Generally speaking, why bother arresting
1:54:58
Speaker 1: the kid for breaking curfew when there is going to
1:55:00
Speaker 1: be nothing at all, zero done to them, absolutely zero.
1:55:04
Speaker 9: Nothing will happen. Usually if we even take someone to
1:55:09
Speaker 9: twenty twenty a juvenile, we're calling their parents on the way,
1:55:13
Speaker 9: make sure you come get your child. As soon as
1:55:16
Speaker 9: they come in, they're walking straight out. And these kids
1:55:18
Speaker 9: understand the system that they can take it to the
1:55:22
Speaker 9: whole next level and then say, well, when I turn eighteen,
1:55:25
Speaker 9: I'll just get my record expongs. Absolutely ridiculous. Gun laws
1:55:30
Speaker 9: need to be increased that we're not playing If you
1:55:33
Speaker 9: get caught with a gun, we're not playing games with you.
1:55:36
Speaker 9: We're gonna hold you accountable. You will do some time,
1:55:40
Speaker 9: You will do some time. So these judges need to
1:55:42
Speaker 9: step it up and stop playing games.
1:55:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always very puzzling to me because you know,
1:55:47
Speaker 1: if after Purvol had his way, he would take away
1:55:51
Speaker 1: everyone's guns. And that's not your position, because you had
1:55:54
Speaker 1: advocated on one of your posts that we should be armed.
1:55:58
Speaker 1: You know, you know, go to the range train, learn
1:56:01
Speaker 1: how to properly use it. You know, you know, if
1:56:03
Speaker 1: you as long as you're lawfully able to carry a firearm,
1:56:07
Speaker 1: you probably should because that way you can defend yourself.
1:56:10
Speaker 9: And that's just the society we live in today. But
1:56:14
Speaker 9: now what is the perception of defending yourself? That's why
1:56:18
Speaker 9: I said, when you were downtown in this circumstance, and
1:56:22
Speaker 9: if somebody had a firearm and started to just let off,
1:56:28
Speaker 9: we would have at least twenty to twenty five people
1:56:32
Speaker 9: dead and more critically injured based on this situation. While
1:56:38
Speaker 9: people were armed, and I bet you there were people
1:56:40
Speaker 9: that were armed that maybe just didn't pull their weapon
1:56:43
Speaker 9: at the time.
1:56:44
Speaker 10: But during that beat down, would someone had.
1:56:47
Speaker 9: Been justified to pull in and try to save the
1:56:50
Speaker 9: gentleman who was getting mobbed against who was getting attacked
1:56:54
Speaker 9: and kick brutally and savagely he could be a damage
1:56:58
Speaker 9: for life brain down much he was in. A woman
1:57:02
Speaker 9: savagely was struck. So if somebody would have put out
1:57:06
Speaker 9: a gun and start a firing, would they have been wrong?
1:57:08
Speaker 1: H No, they wouldn't you know what I'm thinking of.
1:57:10
Speaker 1: The guy who saved maybe multiple lives at that walmart
1:57:14
Speaker 1: up was a Milwaukee The guy that was stabbing, he
1:57:16
Speaker 1: stabbed eleven people and long comes a marine with a
1:57:20
Speaker 1: firearm that didn't put the guy down, but stopped the
1:57:23
Speaker 1: violence from happening. If you have reasonable eminent apprehension of
1:57:27
Speaker 1: grievous bodily harm that guy was suffering from grievous bodily
1:57:31
Speaker 1: harm at the time, or you have a legitimate reasonable
1:57:34
Speaker 1: fear for your own life, you were allowed to use
1:57:36
Speaker 1: deadly force. So and I talked with the FOP president
1:57:40
Speaker 1: just the other day about that. He agreed with me completely.
1:57:42
Speaker 1: Absolutely use of a firearm under those circumstances would have
1:57:44
Speaker 1: been justified.
1:57:46
Speaker 10: Absolutely. When people are.
1:57:47
Speaker 1: Freaked out, they think some left wing prosecutor is going
1:57:50
Speaker 1: to go after them for defending their lives or defending
1:57:52
Speaker 1: the lives of others. So there creates that reluctance in
1:57:55
Speaker 1: society because they think they're going to be the ones prosecuted,
1:57:58
Speaker 1: not the person given the beat down.
1:58:01
Speaker 10: Now, this is interesting. I want to ask you some brother, Brian.
1:58:04
Speaker 9: When there's a UFC cage fight, they have a ref
1:58:09
Speaker 9: right there in the middle. Once this ref sees it's
1:58:12
Speaker 9: out of control and that person may even remotely lose consciously,
1:58:17
Speaker 9: they step in. That's it. It's over. You don't continue
1:58:21
Speaker 9: to go because why they understand the issues that continue
1:58:26
Speaker 9: to happen. Well, guess what, there was no referee down here,
1:58:28
Speaker 9: and we continue to see beat down, another hid in
1:58:32
Speaker 9: the face, another kicking a face, another jab in the faith.
1:58:36
Speaker 9: It was consistent with beyond almost aggravated assault, and they
1:58:43
Speaker 9: should be prosecuted to the highest level.
1:58:45
Speaker 1: Under a ewing. You know what, someday I want to
1:58:49
Speaker 1: be interviewing you as candidate for office, you run for
1:58:52
Speaker 1: counsel or maybe run for mayor or something like that.
1:58:55
Speaker 1: I think you get a lot of votes. Man, Yes sir, Yes, sir,
1:58:58
Speaker 1: once you consider that, you got to your eye. Maybe
1:59:00
Speaker 1: you have been considering it. It's not too late, yes, sir,
1:59:03
Speaker 1: it's not too late. Yes, sir, you always have an
1:59:06
Speaker 1: opportunity here on the fifty five Carosee Morning Show. I
1:59:08
Speaker 1: love your message, I love your passion. I know you
1:59:10
Speaker 1: care about the city, you care about our youth, and
1:59:13
Speaker 1: you know there's a better direction, a better path. Maybe
1:59:15
Speaker 1: we'll all wake up in the city and find that
1:59:17
Speaker 1: path in November.
1:59:18
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, thank you so much. May Man, it's been fun,
1:59:21
Speaker 9: it's been awesome.
1:59:22
Speaker 1: You come back again.
1:59:23
Speaker 10: All about the truth.
1:59:24
Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC yes.
1:59:28
Speaker 1: Count circumstances obviously difficult and maybe slightly uncomfortable. My next
1:59:33
Speaker 1: guest Holly mononym, and I think it I'm going to
1:59:36
Speaker 1: have to ask Holly how she feels about that well
1:59:38
Speaker 1: known she is by her first name only. She was,
1:59:40
Speaker 1: as we all watched in horror at the videotape of
1:59:43
Speaker 1: the July twenty six beat down the curtain downtown Cincinnati
1:59:47
Speaker 1: made nationwide headlines punched in the face, seemingly undeserving of
1:59:51
Speaker 1: any type of violence, and who could justify violence on
1:59:54
Speaker 1: that level? Welcome to the fifty five Kroosee Morning Show. Holly.
1:59:57
Speaker 1: Thank you for deciding to join the program this morning.
2:00:00
Speaker 1: I my listeners truly appreciated.
2:00:03
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, Now, thank you for inviting me. I'm
2:00:08
Speaker 5: finally starting to heal and feel better, so you know,
2:00:13
Speaker 5: I'm glad to finally be able to come on and
2:00:15
Speaker 5: talk about everything.
2:00:17
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you're willing to do that. I
2:00:19
Speaker 1: have to ask out, just what is it like being
2:00:22
Speaker 1: you and thrust into the national spotlight. Certainly this is
2:00:26
Speaker 1: not something you were clamoring for by way of attention.
2:00:28
Speaker 5: Holly, It's definitely terrifying, to say the least. Especially the
2:00:38
Speaker 5: way that everything happened and went down. I know, you know,
2:00:44
Speaker 5: I've had so much love from so many people, but
2:00:46
Speaker 5: there are also some there was a lot of hate
2:00:50
Speaker 5: on the other side as well, or people who didn't
2:00:53
Speaker 5: know the full story who wanted to make their own opinion.
2:00:58
Speaker 5: And unfortunately, there were some leaders in Cincinnati who were
2:01:03
Speaker 5: also trying to change the narrative and smear my name
2:01:07
Speaker 5: as well. When I just kept asking, you know, where
2:01:12
Speaker 5: were the where was the police presence during all of this,
2:01:16
Speaker 5: because everything that happened truly was preventable. So the more
2:01:22
Speaker 5: that I just kept asking that question, the more my
2:01:26
Speaker 5: name became smeared, and so in the national headline, I
2:01:32
Speaker 5: think a lot of people have a misconception of everything.
2:01:36
Speaker 1: Well, what exactly did happen? We all know how it ended, Holly.
2:01:40
Speaker 1: You were taken to the hospital, you almost died, and
2:01:42
Speaker 1: you can correct the record if that is not correct.
2:01:44
Speaker 1: But we've all seen the post beating photographs of you.
2:01:48
Speaker 1: You obviously suffered a horrific, horrific damages, and I'm glad
2:01:52
Speaker 1: to hear that you're doing better. But up to the
2:01:54
Speaker 1: point in time where you got punched in the face,
2:01:56
Speaker 1: seemingly without any justification what led up to that moment
2:02:00
Speaker 1: in time?
2:02:02
Speaker 5: So that night, I went out to a friend's birthday party.
2:02:07
Speaker 5: I don't really get out much. I'm a single mom,
2:02:10
Speaker 5: and so I didn't have my daughter that night, and
2:02:12
Speaker 5: there was a friend's birthday party at a place that
2:02:16
Speaker 5: I'd never been to before. So and I had never
2:02:21
Speaker 5: heard of the Jazz Festival as well, because I don't
2:02:24
Speaker 5: live in Cincinnati. I live in Dayton, so I drove
2:02:28
Speaker 5: up there. But I've always loved Cincinnati, and apparently that's
2:02:34
Speaker 5: one of the biggest crime weekends out of the whole year,
2:02:39
Speaker 5: which we'll get to that of why like the police
2:02:42
Speaker 5: presence was such a big deal of like them.
2:02:45
Speaker 4: Not being there.
2:02:46
Speaker 5: But yeah, we had went to a dance club for
2:02:50
Speaker 5: the birthday party, had a great time, came out to
2:02:54
Speaker 5: wait for Uber, and there was just a huge mob
2:02:59
Speaker 5: of people that were out there and they were making
2:03:04
Speaker 5: some comments towards.
2:03:06
Speaker 2: The group.
2:03:09
Speaker 5: That we were with, which I won't give too many details.
2:03:11
Speaker 5: There's still investigation going on, but you know, to say,
2:03:17
Speaker 5: the least five people in the group that I was
2:03:22
Speaker 5: with was attacked by about thirty people. They were around
2:03:27
Speaker 5: one hundred people on the streets that you know, everyone
2:03:31
Speaker 5: was watching. And then they each each of the five
2:03:38
Speaker 5: people had at least five or six men on them,
2:03:41
Speaker 5: attacking them, kicking them, punching them, and I mean it
2:03:45
Speaker 5: got to the point where everyone at one point had
2:03:48
Speaker 5: got knocked out, kicked on the ground, kicked in their head,
2:03:51
Speaker 5: kicked on their bodies. And then when they stood up,
2:03:55
Speaker 5: a new group just jumped in and it was like
2:03:59
Speaker 5: the mob is just riling each other up, and they
2:04:02
Speaker 5: were like, yeah, I get them. So then a new group.
2:04:06
Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't just one person one on one fighting,
2:04:10
Speaker 5: I mean it was it was an attack. And there
2:04:16
Speaker 5: was one in particular he had he had been knocked
2:04:21
Speaker 5: to the ground at least two or three times in
2:04:23
Speaker 5: my memory, and I mean he was just he was
2:04:27
Speaker 5: literally getting curbs ump. He had blood all over him
2:04:31
Speaker 5: getting kicked and punched. I found out recently that it
2:04:37
Speaker 5: was specifically twenty eight times that he was kicked in
2:04:41
Speaker 5: the head, If that tells you how bad it was getting.
2:04:48
Speaker 5: And everybody just had their video cameras out there laughing,
2:04:52
Speaker 5: they're high fiving. It was absolutely grotesque to see how
2:04:59
Speaker 5: just the group people were enjoying watching these people get
2:05:03
Speaker 5: beat to it into their life. And the man started
2:05:07
Speaker 5: crying out to God and was he was just like, please, God,
2:05:13
Speaker 5: someone saved me. Please, And I you know, I instinctively
2:05:18
Speaker 5: just jumped in. I'm you know, I'm a Christian, I'm
2:05:22
Speaker 5: a mom. Like my instincts, I was like, I can't,
2:05:25
Speaker 5: I can't just sit here and do nothing unacceptable.
2:05:29
Speaker 1: Ally And that was the gentleman that you were attending
2:05:31
Speaker 1: to when you got punched in the face. Is that
2:05:33
Speaker 1: the man you're referring to?
2:05:35
Speaker 3: Yes?
2:05:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, for the record, I had just
2:05:40
Speaker 5: met him that night at the birthday party a few
2:05:43
Speaker 5: hours before. I know, the media kept saying, you know,
2:05:47
Speaker 5: the guy's wife or the guy's girlfriend or whatever, like
2:05:50
Speaker 5: I had just met him, and so I just, you know,
2:05:57
Speaker 5: just felt the need too. I thought that if I
2:06:00
Speaker 5: because I knew if he continued to stay down, he
2:06:03
Speaker 5: was going to die, no question about it.
2:06:06
Speaker 4: It was.
2:06:07
Speaker 5: It was just that bad that people were not stopping,
2:06:11
Speaker 5: and more people were continuing to jump in every time
2:06:14
Speaker 5: he fell down.
2:06:18
Speaker 1: Did you say anything before you were punched in the face.
2:06:20
Speaker 1: Were any exchanges between you and the man who's been
2:06:23
Speaker 1: identified as responsible for your beating with Patrick Roseman, who's
2:06:26
Speaker 1: I guess still currently in jail because of the bond issue.
2:06:30
Speaker 1: But any words exchanged between YouTube before you got punched.
2:06:34
Speaker 5: So I helped the gentleman up who was on the ground,
2:06:39
Speaker 5: and then I stood in between him and the main
2:06:42
Speaker 5: person who was beating him, and I just kept saying,
2:06:45
Speaker 5: please stop, stop, please, you know, waving my hands around.
2:06:50
Speaker 5: And you know, there's there's video of it online which
2:06:55
Speaker 5: there's different angles. Some of the angles that looks it
2:06:58
Speaker 5: doesn't look the best, but if you see straight on angles,
2:07:01
Speaker 5: you can literally see me saying please stop, stop, please,
2:07:06
Speaker 5: you know. And the guy that punched me actually, just
2:07:12
Speaker 5: from what I'm told, he wasn't even really he wasn't
2:07:16
Speaker 5: part of the fight. He was one of the watchers,
2:07:19
Speaker 5: if you will. And he came from the side, he
2:07:23
Speaker 5: came out of nowhere and just cold cocked me in
2:07:29
Speaker 5: the face. And I was out before I even hit
2:07:34
Speaker 5: the ground. So my whole body weight was on my head.
2:07:38
Speaker 5: My head hit the concrete really hard, and due to that,
2:07:43
Speaker 5: I am still suffering some you know, major neurological issues.
2:07:49
Speaker 5: So when I say I'm healing, like my face is healed,
2:07:52
Speaker 5: which is great, but there's definitely some after mask that's
2:07:57
Speaker 5: going on. I'm still seeing a lot of different specialists
2:08:00
Speaker 5: and stuff. I'm suffering from short term memory, So it's
2:08:04
Speaker 5: like anything that has happened after that event, you know.
2:08:09
Speaker 5: Sometimes you know, I just don't I have three to
2:08:13
Speaker 5: five minutes basically of after a conversation to write something
2:08:17
Speaker 5: down to help me to remember, or I just forget.
2:08:20
Speaker 1: Well, I imagine it's it has had to have I'm
2:08:23
Speaker 1: guessing it had to have dramatically change your perception of
2:08:26
Speaker 1: life generally. Are you struggling with if I can use
2:08:30
Speaker 1: this term post traumatic stress? I mean I would be
2:08:32
Speaker 1: very concerned about being in public and any downtown environments
2:08:36
Speaker 1: after something horrific like that happened literally out of nowhere.
2:08:39
Speaker 5: It seems Oh, absolutely yeah. It has literally changed my life.
2:08:46
Speaker 5: It's changed my whole perspective on everything.
2:08:50
Speaker 10: You know, I'm I.
2:08:51
Speaker 5: Definitely have a lot of anxiety I didn't have before,
2:08:54
Speaker 5: and I really don't leave the house unless it's for
2:08:57
Speaker 5: doctor's visits or something, you know, with my child, or
2:09:03
Speaker 5: when I advocate. I've been helping to really be like
2:09:07
Speaker 5: a victim's advocate for a lot of this and speaking
2:09:11
Speaker 5: publicly because I think that what happened to me was
2:09:17
Speaker 5: very preventable, and I think that we have a lack
2:09:23
Speaker 5: of leadership in not just Cincinnati but a lot of cities.
2:09:27
Speaker 5: But where this happened to me in Cincinnati, you have.
2:09:33
Speaker 1: A prominent elected official and council that said you deserved it.
2:09:39
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so, that's what really has fueled me to
2:09:44
Speaker 5: speak out and be like, this is not okay. So
2:09:48
Speaker 5: I have the police chief who afterwards publicly had said
2:09:54
Speaker 5: that I was a Russian spy, a Russian asset, something
2:09:59
Speaker 5: like that. And I led the country, which had a
2:10:01
Speaker 5: lot of people in uproar, and I was like, I'm
2:10:05
Speaker 5: I'm an American, I'm a proud Ohio and what is happening?
2:10:09
Speaker 5: You know? And I had to go into hiding.
2:10:13
Speaker 1: Even if you were from Russia or had some contact whatever,
2:10:17
Speaker 1: does some Russian national deserve less protection? And does does
2:10:21
Speaker 1: that person deserve a beating from someone randomly just walking
2:10:25
Speaker 1: up and cole cocking to the point where almost died.
2:10:27
Speaker 1: And it's a preposterous suggestion.
2:10:30
Speaker 5: Horrible, horrible. And then after that is when yeah, the
2:10:35
Speaker 5: president of the city council, I forget her name, but yeah,
2:10:38
Speaker 5: she publicly said that got to beat down that I deserved,
2:10:43
Speaker 5: and then well she said, we all, the five of us,
2:10:47
Speaker 5: got to beat down we deserve. And then next day
2:10:51
Speaker 5: publicly backed that up and went on an interview and said,
2:10:56
Speaker 5: I stand by my statement, and I just I just
2:11:02
Speaker 5: don't understand how somebody like that is, even in a
2:11:05
Speaker 5: leadership position, encouraging these felons and thugs. Most of the
2:11:10
Speaker 5: people that were in this fight were repeat offenders who
2:11:16
Speaker 5: should have still been in jail for their previous one,
2:11:18
Speaker 5: and there were a few of them who were out
2:11:20
Speaker 5: on bail from reason activity, and they they're just let
2:11:26
Speaker 5: out on the streets to continue to attack innocent victims.
2:11:30
Speaker 5: And then you have the counsel woman who is backing
2:11:34
Speaker 5: it up, saying, you know, at a boy basically to them,
2:11:39
Speaker 5: it's just wild.
2:11:40
Speaker 4: To me.
2:11:41
Speaker 1: Well, fortunately she's not running for reelection, but sadly she
2:11:44
Speaker 1: didn't choose to step down to the honorable right thing
2:11:46
Speaker 1: for those offensive words. To this day, I still can't
2:11:51
Speaker 1: comprehend that an elected official would say something like that,
2:11:53
Speaker 1: especially without all the information in and I know the
2:11:56
Speaker 1: defense attorney keeps saying there's more to it. We haven't
2:11:59
Speaker 1: seen all the video and Holly, I don't know if
2:12:01
Speaker 1: you have, but you know, all the information isn't yet
2:12:04
Speaker 1: out of there. Have you have you seen a linear
2:12:07
Speaker 1: progression of this with all the video evidence of the
2:12:09
Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office has accumulated.
2:12:12
Speaker 4: I have.
2:12:14
Speaker 5: I've only seen what is online. Yes, but I you know,
2:12:19
Speaker 5: I know that you know, we were innocent victims, sitting
2:12:24
Speaker 5: there just waiting for our uber. It wasn't you know
2:12:27
Speaker 5: so many people have made up so many stories that
2:12:31
Speaker 5: are going around, and you know we started it and
2:12:34
Speaker 5: this and that. We're like we were waiting for our uber,
2:12:37
Speaker 5: like we were attacked by a mob. Is it so
2:12:39
Speaker 5: hard to believe that, you know that could happen to someone?
2:12:44
Speaker 1: Well, Holly, back to the time when the physical part
2:12:47
Speaker 1: of it began again, You're standing there waiting for your uber.
2:12:50
Speaker 1: This crowd of people it starts taunting you or whatever.
2:12:53
Speaker 1: Do you remember anything that triggered the violence? Was there?
2:12:56
Speaker 1: Something that happened was a racial slurd use, not that
2:12:59
Speaker 1: it was just, but anything you recall is the moment
2:13:02
Speaker 1: in time when the beatings began.
2:13:05
Speaker 5: No, so to my knowledge, I do not. I did
2:13:11
Speaker 5: not hear the whole night.
2:13:13
Speaker 2: We were there.
2:13:14
Speaker 5: You know, we were we were, there was a mixed crowd,
2:13:18
Speaker 5: you know, white and black people, so you know, there
2:13:21
Speaker 5: was the inward was never thrown out the whole time
2:13:25
Speaker 5: we were there for hours at the dance club, coming outside,
2:13:29
Speaker 5: the inward was never used. And you know, there was
2:13:34
Speaker 5: a lot of slander towards us, being pretty much we
2:13:38
Speaker 5: were the only white people that were out on the street.
2:13:41
Speaker 5: There were slanderer's words, and there were some Russians that
2:13:46
Speaker 5: were with us. But you know, and I don't really
2:13:50
Speaker 5: know why that triggered them so much. They kept saying,
2:13:53
Speaker 5: you know, get the Russians or whatever, but yeah, nothing.
2:13:59
Speaker 4: To justify it. Now.
2:14:00
Speaker 5: I know they're during the fight, one of the white guys,
2:14:06
Speaker 5: the victims, while he was knocked out and robbed, his
2:14:10
Speaker 5: wallet also was stolen, and so when he jumped up,
2:14:13
Speaker 5: he did say the inWORD, which I do not approve of,
2:14:17
Speaker 5: Like he said, somebody gets that inward. But that was
2:14:21
Speaker 5: the only time I remember hearing the word even being said.
2:14:26
Speaker 5: Was way after anything had happened. So no, I mean,
2:14:33
Speaker 5: that's what's still so shocking is that, no, we weren't
2:14:38
Speaker 5: doing anything to aggravate it or start it or.
2:14:44
Speaker 10: Any of that.
2:14:46
Speaker 1: Just so hard to process that this happened in the
2:14:48
Speaker 1: city Cincinnati, Holly, I really obviously wish and pray that
2:14:52
Speaker 1: it never had happened to you. And I'm glad to
2:14:54
Speaker 1: hear that you're doing better. And I'm gonna ask my
2:14:55
Speaker 1: listeners to keep keep you in their prayers and wish
2:14:59
Speaker 1: for your speedy lan term recovery. Ally, and if you
2:15:01
Speaker 1: had to ask something of our elected officials beyond maintaining
2:15:04
Speaker 1: a sense of proper decorum and not making ridiculous comments
2:15:07
Speaker 1: like we talked about, what are you hoping for is
2:15:09
Speaker 1: going to come out of this? What are we going
2:15:10
Speaker 1: to learn for it? Is it simply a question of
2:15:12
Speaker 1: proper allocation of law enforcement resources?
2:15:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, I absolutely. I just want to know why they
2:15:22
Speaker 5: keep turning down any and all help that's thrown at them.
2:15:26
Speaker 10: You know.
2:15:27
Speaker 5: And I know for a fact that for years now
2:15:32
Speaker 5: they've had help that's been offered to them by the state,
2:15:37
Speaker 5: by the higher up sheriff's office because they're low on
2:15:41
Speaker 5: police officers, And I just want to know, why do
2:15:44
Speaker 5: you keep turning it down? Because we are suffering. I
2:15:47
Speaker 5: might have permanent damage for the rest of my life,
2:15:51
Speaker 5: and there are people literally getting killed out there weekly,
2:15:56
Speaker 5: you know, and there are people, innocent, people who should
2:16:01
Speaker 5: never have to deal with this, and and I just
2:16:04
Speaker 5: want to know ever, you know, and I know there's
2:16:08
Speaker 5: more police presence now because this was such a national thing,
2:16:12
Speaker 5: and you know, thank god, we have amazing people who
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Speaker 5: have been really backing us up, like you know, Bernie
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Speaker 5: Marino and Corey Bowman, Christopher Smitherman, you know, Dave Yost.
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Speaker 5: Like it's just so many people who have come together
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Speaker 5: say enough is enough and now there is more. But
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Speaker 5: it really had to come with them heavily breathing down
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Speaker 5: them and making it a national news and for them
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Speaker 5: to finally give in and say, okay, we'll start stepping.
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Speaker 1: It up two days, two days a month. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that you find that time unacceptable when the when the
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Speaker 1: offer was for a full month regularly, real quick here,
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Speaker 1: Hollyford Company, I can't thank you enough for spending time
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Speaker 1: with my listeners and me this morning. Has the mayor
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Speaker 1: ever reached out to you directly?
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Speaker 10: No?
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Speaker 5: No, So the mayor has not reached out, and he
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Speaker 5: has said that it's not his job to reach out
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Speaker 5: to the victim, which I find that very upsetting. I
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Speaker 5: think that at a bare minimal he should, and not
2:17:22
Speaker 5: only has he not reached out, but he has gone
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Speaker 5: on different news outlets to take strolls down Cincinnati where
2:17:31
Speaker 5: murders are, being happy that you know, murders and attacks,
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Speaker 5: saying it's safe, look at the streets, you know, come
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Speaker 5: on down, instead of apologizing and saying we'll do.
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Speaker 1: Better, I guess it's safe. If you're the mayor of
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Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati, Holly, thank you so much. I
2:17:47
Speaker 1: appreciate your willingness to come on the program, and I
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Speaker 1: hope they will listen to your concerns and come up
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Speaker 1: with a better way to police in downtown Cincinnati so
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Speaker 1: this never happens again. Today's top headlines coming up at
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Speaker 1: the top of.
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Speaker 12: The hour literally moved so fast on.
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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC, the talkstation.
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Speaker 10: This report is spot