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Mega Edition: Jes Staley And The Transcripts From His Epstein Related Trip To Congress (Part 1-3) (11/2/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to begin taking
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  Speaker 1: a look at the Jess Daly transcript from his trip
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  Speaker 1: to Congress. And we're going to skip the swearing in
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  Speaker 1: and all of the hubbub and just start with his
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  Speaker 1: opening statement. Miss Brignac, I understand that you have an
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  Speaker 1: opening statement that you would like to enter into the record. No? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: The time reads 1013 a.m. The majority's time will begin now.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess Staley didn't have an opening statement. Question
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  Speaker 1: by Ms. Brignac. Mr. Staley, let's begin by discussing your background.
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  Speaker 1: Where were you born? Answer, I was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what year were you born? Answer, 1956. Question, what's your
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  Speaker 1: marital status? Answer, I'm married but separated. Question, what's your
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  Speaker 1: educational background? Answer, I have a bachelor's degree in economics
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  Speaker 1: from Bowdoin College. Question, we'll go more into detail later,
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  Speaker 1: but can you briefly describe your professional career? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: spent 30 years at JP Morgan or so, 10 years
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  Speaker 1: in Brazil, 10 years building JP Morgan's investment bank, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: asset management and private bank, and then 10 years running
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  Speaker 1: the investment bank or thereabouts, 10 years in Latin America.
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  Speaker 1: It was 10 years building the equity business. It was
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  Speaker 1: like five or six years running asset management and three
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  Speaker 1: or four years running the investment bank. So I stand corrected. Question,
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  Speaker 1: over those years at J.P. Morgan, what are the dates
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  Speaker 1: that you held the positions? Answer, I don't recall the dates. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when did you start working at J.P. Morgan? Answer, in 1979. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what was your role at the time? Answer, I went
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  Speaker 1: into the training program and then in 80 was when
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  Speaker 1: I first went to Latin America. I was in Latin
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  Speaker 1: America until 1989. Question, what were you doing in Latin America? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: a number of jobs. At one point I was running
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  Speaker 1: the rep office and then we got a license to
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  Speaker 1: open a bank in Brazil and ultimately ended up running
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  Speaker 1: the bank of J.P. Morgan in Brazil. Question. What was
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  Speaker 1: your next position? Answer. Then I moved to New York
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  Speaker 1: and I was part of a small team asked to
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  Speaker 1: build a public equities business at J.P. Morgan. Question. And
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  Speaker 1: who asked you to do that? Answer. I believe at
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  Speaker 1: the time it was Bill Harrison. Question. What year was that? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been 1989. Question. What was your next position? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was asked to go and run the private bank. Question,
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  Speaker 1: in 1999? Answer, about 2000. Question, 2000? Okay. And what
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  Speaker 1: was your next position? Answer, then, added to running the
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  Speaker 1: private bank, I was asked to run asset management as well. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was that the next year, 2001? Answer, thereabouts, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what was your next position? Answer, I did that until
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  Speaker 1: I think about 2009. And then I was asked to
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  Speaker 1: run the investment bank of J.P. Morgan. Question, when did
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  Speaker 1: you leave JP Morgan? Answer, 2013. Question, why did you
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  Speaker 1: leave JP Morgan? Answer, I stepped down as head of
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  Speaker 1: the investment bank and took a much smaller role, and
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like it was the right time to move
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  Speaker 1: on from JP Morgan. Question, why is that? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the actual reason. I think there was a
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  Speaker 1: period of time where the general thought at Morgan was
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  Speaker 1: that the successor to the CEO probably needed to come
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  Speaker 1: from the investment bank given its uniqueness and size. And
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  Speaker 1: so I think who occupied that role generally was considered
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  Speaker 1: a potential successor to the CEO. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: the bank made the decision that I would not be
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  Speaker 1: the successor to the then CEO, and therefore it was
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  Speaker 1: time to step down from the investment bank. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: they communicate the reason why they thought that you were
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  Speaker 1: not appropriate successor? Answer, no. Question, did you ever hear
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  Speaker 1: from anyone else why they thought you would not be
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  Speaker 1: an appropriate successor? Answer, no. Question, Do you believe it
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  Speaker 1: was because of your affiliation with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you still hold a role at J.P. Morgan? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when did you leave J.P. Morgan's orbit entirely? Answer, 2013. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what was the smaller role that you held? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: think I was made chairman of the investment bank, which
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  Speaker 1: is a much less role than the CEO. Question, did
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  Speaker 1: anyone ask you to leave J.P. Morgan? Answer, no. But
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  Speaker 1: the implication of the lesser role was it was probably
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  Speaker 1: time to move on. Question, did you reach any agreement
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  Speaker 1: with J.P. Morgan on your departure about rules you would
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  Speaker 1: abide by regarding your knowledge of J.P. Morgan's dealings? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: aside from the sort of standard confidentiality agreements, that was it. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was there any additional confidentiality they asked you to abide
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  Speaker 1: by given the very senior roles that you held? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: would those confidentiality agreements have prohibited you From discussing J.P.
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  Speaker 1: Morgan's dealings with friends of yours? Answer. I think you
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  Speaker 1: respect confidentiality, but it was at my discretion if I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to talk about friends of mine about issues at J.P. Morgan. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Were you able to use your discretion to discuss confidential
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  Speaker 1: matters of J.P. Morgan? Is that accurate? Answer. I believe so, yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Are you currently employed? Answer. No, I am not. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Tell me about the first time you interacted
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein. Answer. The first time that I interacted
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein would have been a passing. I met
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  Speaker 1: him in passing in about 2000. And then in 2001,
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  Speaker 1: the then CEO of JP Morgan, Sandy Warner, called me
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  Speaker 1: and said that he had met Jeffrey Epstein. It seemed
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  Speaker 1: like he was quite connected to a higher net worth
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  Speaker 1: network in New York and that given my new role
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  Speaker 1: as running the private bank, I should probably meet him.
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  Speaker 1: So I did. Question, who introduced you to him? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that would have been Sandy Warner. Question, what year was this? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I believe 2001. Question, and where were you at this time? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: in New York. Question, where specifically in New York? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: on Park Avenue, right above Grand Central. Question, what was
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  Speaker 1: the reason for this interaction? Answer again, I think I
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  Speaker 1: was running the private bank, which meant trying to develop
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  Speaker 1: high net worth clients for J.P. Morgan. And Sandy Warner
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that Jeffrey Epstein seemed to be connected to high
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  Speaker 1: net worth community of J.P. Morgan, and therefore I went
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  Speaker 1: to pay a visit to Jeffrey Epstein. Question, why was
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  Speaker 1: he considered of high net worth? Answer, he was an
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  Speaker 1: existing client at the private bank, so I wasn't the
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  Speaker 1: one who brought him in and determined his net worth.
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  Speaker 1: That was before I was made the head of the
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  Speaker 1: private bank. Question, did Sandy Warner tell you that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein or anything about him before you met him? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: just that he seemed to be connected to the high
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  Speaker 1: net worth community in New York. Question, did you hear
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  Speaker 1: anything else about Mr. Epstein during your time at the bank? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: the entire time at the bank. Question prior to your meeting, Mr. Epstein. Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what do you know about him prior to this meeting? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I guess all I knew was that he had a
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  Speaker 1: connection to Les Wexner. Back when I first crossed him
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  Speaker 1: in 1999, I was running equity capital markets and we
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  Speaker 1: took the limited public, which was owned by Les Wexner.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where I had the one passing encounter. So
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  Speaker 1: all I knew was that he was connected to Wexner. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did that alone make him a high value client? Or
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  Speaker 1: were there other things you knew about him that led
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  Speaker 1: you to that belief? Answer, no. Again, in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: it was simply I was asked to meet him by
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  Speaker 1: the then CEO of J.P. Morgan. Question, what were your
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  Speaker 1: impressions of him upon meeting him? Answer again, I knew
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  Speaker 1: very little about him, so I think it was a
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  Speaker 1: reasonably brief meeting. He had an office next to St.
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  Speaker 1: Patrick's Cathedral, which was an interesting place to have an office,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a brief conversation and that was it. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what was his demeanor? What was he like? Answer, he
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  Speaker 1: seemed relaxed, intelligent, curious. Question, who else was present at
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  Speaker 1: the meeting? Answer, just myself. Question, what did you understand
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  Speaker 1: his job to be? Answer again, save for providing some
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  Speaker 1: advice to Wexner, I didn't know what his job was. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever become involved in business with Wexner? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: in his business with Les Wexner, no. Question, did you
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  Speaker 1: ever become involved in his financial dealings with Les Wexner? No. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did anyone raise concerns about Mr. Epstein prior to the meeting? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: after you met Mr. Epstein, what happened next? Answer, nothing
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  Speaker 1: significant happened next. I think we probably met a few
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  Speaker 1: more times, but for a while, nothing happened. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: what was your relationship with him at this time? Were
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  Speaker 1: you assigned to any of his accounts? Did you begin
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  Speaker 1: dealing with him in business? What happened next? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: had no dealings with his business. I wasn't really sure
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  Speaker 1: what his business was. aside from the connection to Les Wexner.
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  Speaker 1: I had not managed his accounts. I didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: accounts he had with Morgan. It wasn't a close. I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't close to what he was doing with the bank.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I was very active doing a lot of
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  Speaker 1: other things at Morgan. So we would meet occasionally, not
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  Speaker 1: that often. And that was the early years of my
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  Speaker 1: interaction with him. Question, who was assigned his accounts? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: at that time, I didn't know who was managing his accounts. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what part of the bank? was he assigned to and why? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he was a high net worth client, so he was
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  Speaker 1: a client of the private bank. Question, what are the
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  Speaker 1: requirements to be assigned to the private bank? What factors
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  Speaker 1: go into the decision? Answer, I think back then, it
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  Speaker 1: was probably somewhat of a wealth test. Did someone have
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  Speaker 1: sufficient net wealth to be part of the private bank?
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  Speaker 1: My recollection, it was roughly a minimum of $ 5 million,
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  Speaker 1: and that was about it. Question, how many accounts did Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein have at J.P. Morgan over the years? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Question, over 100 would you say? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. Question, the committee has reviewed documents that made
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  Speaker 1: us believe he had 134 accounts. Moving into your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein, we'll go into more specifics later, but
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  Speaker 1: for now, can you describe the nature and extent of
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  Speaker 1: your relationship with Mr. Epstein? Answer, in those early years,
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  Speaker 1: Question overall, generally over the years. Answer again. It changed
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  Speaker 1: over time. I think probably the most significant event in
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  Speaker 1: the 2000s was his introduction to me of a man
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  Speaker 1: named Glenn Dubin. And Glenn Dubin was the founder of
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  Speaker 1: a hedge fund called Highbridge Capital Corporation. Question, why is
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  Speaker 1: that significant to you? Answer, so in the 2000s, I
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  Speaker 1: started out running a private bank. And as I said,
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  Speaker 1: the then CEO asked me to add asset management. And
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  Speaker 1: the asset management business at the time, the traditional asset
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  Speaker 1: management business, was called a long-only business. Asset managers like Fidelity, Capital,
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  Speaker 1: and JP Morgan, and Vanguard, would manage portfolios of stocks
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  Speaker 1: and portfolios of bonds from a long-only position. That was
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  Speaker 1: the principal asset management business. What was developing in the
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  Speaker 1: early 2000s were two alternative ways to manage money. One
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  Speaker 1: was called private equity, so rather than buying public securities,
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  Speaker 1: you would invest in non-public companies. And the other was
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  Speaker 1: the hedge fund industry. And that narrowly defined the hedge
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  Speaker 1: fund industry was not only would you go long stocks
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  Speaker 1: and bonds, but you could also go short stocks and bonds.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the early hedge funds was Highbridge Capital Corporation. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so did Mr. Epstein's introduction to Glenn Dubin change the
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  Speaker 1: nature of your relationship? Answer, yes, to the extent that
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  Speaker 1: over a period of time, over a year or so,
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  Speaker 1: I got to know Glenn Dubin. I got to understand
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  Speaker 1: somewhat of the hedge fund industry and began to become
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  Speaker 1: an idea with Glenn and myself that perhaps J.P. Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: as long-only asset manager, make an investment in Highbridge Capital.
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  Speaker 1: And Epstein was aware of that. Question, and he earned
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  Speaker 1: $ 15 million fee from that transaction, correct? answer, so he
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  Speaker 1: encouraged the conversation between Glenn and myself. It took a
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  Speaker 1: fair period of time for Glenn and I to reach
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  Speaker 1: the conclusion that it might work. It was an internal
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  Speaker 1: process of getting Morgan comfortable with the possibility that we
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  Speaker 1: might invest in a hedge fund. So it took a
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  Speaker 1: period of time, but ultimately Glenn and I found a
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  Speaker 1: way to make it work. Epstein was a supporter of
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  Speaker 1: the transaction, and when the transaction was consummated, JP Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: we paid an advisory fee For the acquisition to Goldman
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  Speaker 1: Sachs and Glenn, or Highbridge, I should say, not Glenn,
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  Speaker 1: Highbridge paid an advisory fee to Epstein. Staley continues, An
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  Speaker 1: important note, Highbridge was owned half by Glenn Dubin and
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  Speaker 1: half by a gentleman named Henry Swyka. Again, who paid
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  Speaker 1: the fee to Epstein was Highbridge, neither Glenn or Henry Swyka.
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  Speaker 1: And did this benefit your career? Answer yes. Question how? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, you had the traditional asset management industry
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  Speaker 1: and you had the alternative asset management industry. and really
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  Speaker 1: up high until the high-bridge acquisition, the J.P. Morgan, the
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  Speaker 1: two industries, had never really partnered. Question, I'm sorry, do
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  Speaker 1: you not understand my question? How did that benefit your career? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: because it was a very successful transaction for J.P. Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: it was very novel, and I was seen as the
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  Speaker 1: leader of the transaction inside of J.P. Morgan. Question, so Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein benefited from the transaction, and you benefited from the transaction,
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  Speaker 1: what year did all of this take place? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was closed in 2004. Question, okay, so by
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  Speaker 1: this point, you've referenced a significant transaction between you and Mr. Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: We've covered years. Answer, excuse me, say that again. It
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  Speaker 1: was not a transaction between me and Jeffrey Epstein. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so by this point in 2004, you've referenced a significant event.
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  Speaker 1: We've covered your years of relationship with Mr. Epstein. Did
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  Speaker 1: you develop a friendship over these years? Answer again, it
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  Speaker 1: was always a business relationship, but he gave advice instead.
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  Speaker 1: and had good insights into the industry, into broader finances,
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  Speaker 1: and I would seek his thoughts. Question, did you ever
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  Speaker 1: discuss personal matters? Answer, only later on, did I discuss
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  Speaker 1: career issues with Jeffrey Epstein? Yes, but always around my
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  Speaker 1: career and business, not personal. Question, so you never discussed
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  Speaker 1: personal matters with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no, I think it
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  Speaker 1: was always centered around business and my career. If you
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  Speaker 1: consider a career personal, but it was around business and
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  Speaker 1: my career. Question, did you ever discuss your family's? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: only very later on. I discussed the interest of my
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  Speaker 1: daughter getting a graduate degree in physics. And so that
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  Speaker 1: was probably the first time we talked about personal issues.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right there.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: with question returning to your dealings with Mr. Epstein. All
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to
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  Speaker 1: another episode. of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: getting right back to the Jess Daly transcript from his
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  Speaker 1: trip to Congress. Question, returning to your dealings with Mr. Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: you referenced earlier that you believed it was in your
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  Speaker 1: discretion to divulge confidential information. Is that accurate? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't the nature of confidentiality mean that there are barriers
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  Speaker 1: around what you can divulge? Answer, but I think senior
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  Speaker 1: officers of the bank, whether it's to a lawyer or
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  Speaker 1: or to a consultant or someone that they consider knowledgeable
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  Speaker 1: in the industry, can ask questions and can talk about
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  Speaker 1: confidential issues, issues that obviously a person cannot act on. Question,
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  Speaker 1: were there any barriers to your sharing information with Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein specifically by J.P. Morgan? Answer, no. Question, how often
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  Speaker 1: did you interact with Mr. Epstein in a personal capacity? Answer, again,
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  Speaker 1: my interactions were predominantly around business and my career, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to characterize just personal. Question, well, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Staley documents released by the DOJ illustrate that you reference Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein as family to you. What did that mean? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I use warm language both in personal capacity as well
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  Speaker 1: as a professional capacity. I refer to many colleagues and
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  Speaker 1: people I work with as friends, so I didn't find
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  Speaker 1: that particularly unique. Question, you reference to everyone you have
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  Speaker 1: a business relationship with as family? Answer, I didn't say
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  Speaker 1: I reference everyone I had business with as family. Question
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  Speaker 1: no I asked if you referenced. Answer so the answer
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  Speaker 1: to that question would be no. Question so why Mr. Epstein?
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  Speaker 1: Answer again. He was one of the people I dealt
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  Speaker 1: with in business. That was particularly helpful on a number
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  Speaker 1: of levels and transactions. And so I believe the first
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  Speaker 1: person to reference a family issue was him referencing to me.
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  Speaker 1: I think I was just being accommodating to what he
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  Speaker 1: was doing. Question you've already referenced Mr. Epstein did communicate
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  Speaker 1: with your daughter. Did he have a relationship with all
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  Speaker 1: of your family members? Answer, no, just principally me and
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  Speaker 1: my eldest daughter. Question, did you get the impression that
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  Speaker 1: your family liked him? Answer, again, my second daughter had
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  Speaker 1: no interaction with him, really, and my wife had very
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  Speaker 1: limited interaction with him. Question, what was the nature of
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  Speaker 1: your daughter's relationship with Mr. Epstein? Answer, she was getting,
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  Speaker 1: she was in the process of getting a PhD in physics.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein was very engaged, it seemed, or it appeared, in
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  Speaker 1: the scientific community, internationally, and in the academic community. particularly
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  Speaker 1: with Columbia and Harvard. Question. Did they frequently communicate without
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  Speaker 1: your knowledge? Answer. No, I don't think so. Question. I'm
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  Speaker 1: entering Majority Exhibit 1 into the record, which is bait
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  Speaker 1: stamped with EFTA 00905750 and dated March 5th, 2011. This
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  Speaker 1: is an email between you, Mr. Staley, and Mr. Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get that passed out and give you a moment
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  Speaker 1: to review whenever you're ready. Answer. I'm ready. Question. Do
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  Speaker 1: you recognize this document, Mr. Staley? Answer, I recognize it's
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  Speaker 1: an email from Mr. Epstein, yeah. Question, can you please
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  Speaker 1: read it into the record? Answer, from Jess Staley to JEE.
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  Speaker 1: Vacation at Gmail, no subject. The date is Saturday, the
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  Speaker 1: 5th of March 11th. I think 5.11 and 41 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: And it reads, Debbie and I were talking tonight about
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  Speaker 1: what you have meant to me and to Redacted, you
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  Speaker 1: have paid a price for what has been accused. But
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  Speaker 1: we know what you have done for us, and we
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: count you as one of our deepest friends and most
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: honest of people. Thanks, Jess. Question, and Mr. Staley, is
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Debbie referring to your legally married wife, who you're separated from? Answer, yes. Question,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: and redacted, refers to your daughter. Answer, yes. Question, why
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: did you send this email? Answer, it was quite unique
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: at the time that a young woman, a young woman
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: would pursue a PhD in physics. and redacted at one
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: point made the decision to pursue a career as a physicist.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Epstein was, as I said, very connected to the scientific community,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: and he had encouraged my daughter to pursue a doctorate
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: in physics, and connected her to some people in the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: physics community. Mr. Grant, we've had some members of Congress
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: join in. Could they please announce themselves for the record?
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: James Comer, Chairman, House Oversight Committee Raja Krishnamoorthi Grant, thank
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you all. Brignac, Question Mr. Staley, I understand and sworn
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: testimony to the Financial Conduct Authority you admitted by 2010.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: You knew that Mr. Epstein lied to you in 2006
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: about the ages of victims who had brought allegations against him.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: This email you said is in 2011. Can you help
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: reconcile our confusion about why you would call him the
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: most honest of people when you knew he lied to you? Answer, again,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was a reflection of the pride that
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: we had in what our daughter was doing. The uniqueness
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: of someone of her age accomplishing what she had accomplished
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: in physics. I was, I think, reflective more of what
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Redacted was doing than anything else, but he was helpful,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: and I used warm language on many occasions. And he
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: was constructive in what our daughter accomplished. Question, can you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: tell me about your first interaction? with Glenn Maxwell? Answer,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I don't believe I had interaction with Glenn Maxwell. Question,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you recommended J.P. Morgan open an account for her, correct? Answer,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that. Question, would it help if we
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: refreshed your recollection? Answer, sure. Question, we'll go off the record.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Now they're back on. Brignac, I'm entering Majority Exhibit 2
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: into the record, which is an internal report generated by J.P.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Morgan and bait-stamped EFTA 015-82859. Question. I would draw your attention, Mr. Staley,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to the bottom right of the page, under the Banker
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Response column where it states, Ghislaine Maxwell is a very
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: close friend to Jeffrey Epstein, who is an existing client,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and who has recommended us to her. Jess Staley has
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: also met with her and has recommended that we open
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: an account for her. Do you recall meeting Ms. Maxwell now? Answer,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I don't. Question, did J.P. Morgan end up opening an
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: account for Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I have learned that they did, yes. Question,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and we can agree your recommendation for a referred client,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: an opening account probably carries quite a bit of weight
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: with your senior roles, correct? Answer, I think there's a
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: whole process to go to open an account of the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: private bank. That involves compliance departments, legal departments, etc. So
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I think there's a process that the bank follows. The
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: recommendation would be accounted in that process, but it's a
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: separate process for opening an account. Question, did Mr. Epstein
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: ask you to meet with Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I don't
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: recall that. Question, have you ever met with Ms. Maxwell
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: on any other occasion? Answer again, I don't know what
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: occasion this refers to. If you have what occasion, that
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: would be helpful for my memory. Question, oh, just based
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: on your personal knowledge, do you have any recollection of
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: any other meetings with Ms. Maxwell besides the one that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: you showed? Answer, no. Question, how often would you have
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: casual or private conversations with Mr. Epstein? Answer again, I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: think we met with a fair degree of frequency and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: had a fair degree of telephone calls and that sort
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: of thing, so fairly often. Question, can you estimate daily, weekly, monthly? Answer,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: I would say weekly. Question, weekly. Did Mr. Epstein ever
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: discuss young girls or women with you? Answer, no he
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: did not. Question, did Mr. Epstein ever introduce you to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: young women or girls? Answer, no he did not. Question,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: did Mr. Epstein ever discuss massages with you? Answer, no,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: he did not. Question, did you ever witness Mr. Epstein
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: receive a massage of any kind from a young woman
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: or girl? Answer, no, I did not. Question, did you
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: ever witness Mr. Epstein pay women for massages? Answer, no,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, did you ever witness Mr. Epstein
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: giving cash to other young women or girls? Answer, no,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, did you ever witness Ms. Maxwell
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: giving cash to young women or girls? Answer, no, I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: did not. Question, did Mr. Epstein ever discuss sexual acts
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: with you? Answer, no. Question, did you ever witness Mr.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Epstein sexually abuse or assault young women or girls? Answer, no. Question,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: did you ever witness Ms. Maxwell sexually abuse or assault
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: young women or girls? Answer, no. Question, did you ever
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: witness Mr. Epstein engage in sexual conduct? Answer, no, I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: did not. Question, did you ever witness Ms. Maxwell engage
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: in sexual conduct? Answer, no, I did not. Question, did
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: you ever witness Mr. Epstein exploit young women or girls? Answer, no,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, Ms. Maxwell? No, I did not. Question,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: did they ever threaten anyone? Answer, I never saw that. Question,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: did Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell ever ask if you
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: wanted them to bring women or girls to you? Answer, no. Question,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: did you ever have any sexual contact with any young
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: woman or girl introduced to you by Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: what do you mean by introduced? Question, however you interpret
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the introduction. Answer, so ask the question again. Question, did
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you ever have sexual contact with any young woman or
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: girl introduced to you by Mr. Epstein? Answer, young women
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and girls, no. Question, why the confusion on that question?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Is there someone you think we should be aware of? Answer,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: as I've testified before, I had an encounter once with
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: someone who was on Epstein's staff, but was a mature woman. Question, okay,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we'll return to that. Did you ever have any sexual
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: contact with young women or girls in the presence of Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: were you ever aware that Mr. Epstein regularly entertained young
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: women at his residences? Answer, no. Question, how did Mr.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Epstein act towards the young women or girls that were
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: around him? Answer, as I said, I didn't see him
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: with young women or girls around him. Question, how did
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: he act with his assistants? Answer, he treated them professionally. Question,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: can we agree his assistants were mostly young women, correct? Answer, again,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it would be helpful if you define young women. They
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: were women of late 20s, 30s. Question, were you aware
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of the nature of any of Mr. Epstein's activities involving minors? Answer, no. Question,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: when did you become aware of these activities? Answer, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: knew in 2006 that he was indicted and obviously was
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: aware of the 2008 plea. And that's when I think those,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: when I became aware of the allegations, that he was
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: involved with minors. Question. Do you know of any individual
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: that knowingly facilitated Mr. Epstein in his criminal activity? Answer. No. Question.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And for the record, have you ever been contacted by
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer. No,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I have not. Question. Have you ever been interviewed by
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: any law enforcement agency concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer. No,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I have not. Question. Have you ever provided any information
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: to law enforcement concerning Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell? Answer. No,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I have not. Question. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever inform or
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: represent to you he was working with any intelligence service
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of any nation, including the United States? Answer. No, he
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: did not. Question. Did Glenn Maxwell? Answer. No, she did not. Question.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: During your relationship, did you suspect Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Maxwell of being affiliated with any intelligence agency? Answer, Jeffrey
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Epstein had a network of contacts internationally, but I never
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: associated it with an intelligence agency. Question, and at any time,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: have you had an affiliation with any intelligence agency? Answer,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: when I was with the private bank, I had some
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: interactions with parts of the U.S. intelligence system. Question, have
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you or any of your representatives or agents asked anyone
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: to sign a nondisclosure agreement or other agreement in connection
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein? No, I have not. Question, have you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: or any of your representatives or agents asked anyone to
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: sign a nondisclosure agreement in connection to Maxwell? Answer, no,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I have not. Question, have you or any of your
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: representatives or agents asked anyone to sign a nondisclosure agreement
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: affiliated with any of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's victims? Answer, no,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I have not. All right, folks, we're going to wrap
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: up right here. And in the next episode, we're going
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to pick up with. I'm going to follow up with
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: more questions, but for now. please answer yes or no
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: to the following. All the information that goes with this
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to get right back to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: the Jess Staley transcript from his trip to Congress. Question,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to follow up with more questions, but for now,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: please answer yes or no to the following. Have you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: ever visited Mr. Epstein's private island, Little St. James? Answer yes. Question,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: how many times? Answer, I believe three times. Although one
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: occasion was literally to get on his island into a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: helicopter and left. Question, have you ever visited Mr. Epstein's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach house? Answer, no. Question, have you ever visited Mr.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Epstein's Manhattan townhouse? Answer, yes. Question, have you ever visited
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: his apartment buildings or offices at 301 East 66th Street
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: in New York? Answer, yes. Question, Have you ever visited Mr.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Epstein's New Mexico's ranch, Zorro? Answer, once. Question, have you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: ever visited Mr. Epstein's Paris apartment? Answer, no. Question, have
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: you ever visited Mr. Epstein's Great St. James Island? Answer,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that's the island in the Virgin Islands, yes. Question, have
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you ever visited Mr. Epstein's property in New Albany, Ohio? Answer,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that he had a property in New Albany, Ohio. Question,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: have you ever visited any of his other properties that
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: he owned or leased by him that I didn't state? Answer, no. Question,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: how many times did you visit his Manhattan townhome? Answer,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: dozens of times. Question, and his offices at 301 E
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: 66th Street in New York, how many times? Answer, once. Question,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: did you see any young women or girls while you
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: were at the Manhattan townhome? Answer, no. Question, while at
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: any property, did you witness any sexual conduct by Jeffrey
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Epstein with any women or girls? Answer, no. Question, while
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: you were at any of his properties, did you witness
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: any sexual conduct by anyone else with young women or girls? Answer, no. Question, Mr. Staley,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you've testified that you did give prior testimony that you
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: had sexual relationship with one of Mr. Epstein's assistants. Who
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: was that? Answer, redacted. Question, how did you meet her? Answer.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: She was an assistant to Jeffrey Epstein and I met
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: her at his townhouse. Question. Who else was there? Answer. Again,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: most often it would just be his assistant, Leslie Groff.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That would be really the only other person that was
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: often there that I saw. Question. How many times did
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you interact with her before you had sex? Answer. A handful. Question.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Can you give me a number? Estimate. Answer. I Question. Answer. Answer. Question. Answer.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Are you aware if she's had sex with anyone else
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: associated with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question, where did the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: sex take place? Answer, at our apartment. Question, where did
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: she live? Answer, 66th Street, to my recollection. Question, did
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: you discuss the fact that you had sex with her,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no, I did not. Question, do
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you know if she shared it with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I don't. Question, have you had sex with anyone else
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: associated with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no, I have not. Ms. Brignac,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I'm now entering into the record three exhibits, which will
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: be marked Majority Exhibit 3, 4, and 5. We're going
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to go off the record and pass these out. They're
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: back on the record. Brignac's again speaking. Majority Exhibit 3
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: is bait-stamped EFTA 00779451. Majority Exhibit 4 is bait-stamped EFTA 00741531.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Majority Exhibit 5 is bait-stamped EFTA 01300651. All three exhibits
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: are part of an email exchange that took place from
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: July 10th through July 11th of 2010. I'm going to begin, Mr. Staley,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: by asking questions about Majority Exhibit 3. This is a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: photograph sent by Mr. Epstein to a redacted name on
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: July 11th, 2010. Have you seen this photo before? Answer, no,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I have not. Question, did you see this photo in
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: preparation for your examination today? Answer, this photo, no. Question,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: acknowledging the face in this photograph is redacted, can you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: otherwise describe what you see in the photo? Answer, that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: looks like Epstein's apartment in New York, and obviously it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: someone dressed up in a costume. Question, yeah, it appears
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to be a young woman in a Snow White costume.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Who is in this photograph? Answer, I don't know. Question,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the committee has been able to identify this photograph as redacted.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Have you ever met redacted? Answer, I don't believe so. Question,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you stated you have been to Mr. Epstein's New York townhome.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Were you there on or around July 9th through the 10th, 2010? Answer,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, you don't know because you can't recall? Answer, yes. Question,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I'll now turn to Majority Exhibit 4. This email was
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: sent from Redacted, who the committee understands to be redacted,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to Mr. Epstein on July 10th, 2010 at 1236 a.m.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And it states that Snow White was fucked twice. as
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: soon as she put on the costume. Mr. Staley, what
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: do you interpret fuck to mean? Answer, say it again, sorry,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: this mail is from who? Question, this is from redacted,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: in the committee's review of the documents. My question is,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: what do you interpret fuck to mean? Answer, intercourse. Question,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: were you ever around this woman in the snow white
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: costume at Mr. Epstein's residence? Answer, no. Question, okay. We'll
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: now turn to Majority Exhibit 5. This email exchange between you, Mr. Staley,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: and Mr. Epstein, on July 10th, 2010, sent around the
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: same time that Redacted was reporting to Mr. Epstein that
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Snow White had been fucked twice. In your email exchange
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: with Mr. Epstein, you state, that was fun, say hi
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: to Snow White. Why did you send that email? Answer,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I don't recall, so I don't know. Question, were you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: asking Mr. Epstein to say hi? Answer, I'm saying, say
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: hi to Snow White. Question, yes, who is Snow White? Answer, yeah.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't know who Snow White is. Question,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: we can agree it's coincidental that at the same time
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you send this email, Redacted is sending to Mr. Epstein
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that she was in a Snow White costume, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: why do you think that is? Answer again, I don't know. Question,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: do you maintain you've never met Redacted? Answer, I don't
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: recall ever meeting her, no. I don't know who she is. Question,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: now that I've refreshed your recollection... Do you recall being
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: at Mr. Epstein's New York townhome on July 9th or 10th, 2010?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Answer again, we're talking 16 years ago. I don't know
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: exactly what the date. I was at the townhouse. I
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: don't recall seeing someone in a snow white outfit. Question,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: have you seen any women in a costume around Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: later in the email exchange, Mr. Epstein asks, what character
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: would you like next? What do you think Mr. Epstein's asking? Answer, um,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you know. Question, I didn't get that. Can you speak up? Answer,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I'm reading the emails. This seems to imply that I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: saw Snow White. And Epstein says, you know, what character
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: would you like next? And I referred to Beauty and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the Beast, which was a movie at the time. Question,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: who are you referring to as Beauty and the Beast? Answer,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was referring to a movie, Beauty
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and the Beast. Question, have you had sexual relations with
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: any woman dressed as Snow White? Answer, no, I have not. Question, Mr.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Epstein later responds in the email, well, one side is available.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Who's Mr. Epstein referring to? It doesn't appear to be
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: a movie. Question, oh, it seems like he's talking about
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a beauty, but I don't know who that is. Question,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: have you ever had sex with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: has Mr. Epstein ever had asked you to have sex
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: with him? Answer, no. Question, does it appear that the
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: characters Mr. Epstein is offering to you can say no? Mr. Sullivan,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: That's pretty far out. I'm doing my best to remain silent.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty far out question. And Sullivan is Jess
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Daly's lawyer. Miss Brignac, I would like for you to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: answer it. Sullivan, can you read it back to us? Question.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Does it appear that the characters Mr. Epstein is offering
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to you can say no? Or does it appear to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: be your choice whether to have the characters? Answer. I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: don't think he's offering characters to me. Question. Question. Did
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you and Mr. Epstein use Disney princesses as codenames for
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: selecting women for sexual encounters? Answer, no. Question, the committee
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: has also reviewed documents where Philip Levine uses the exact
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: same codename, Beauty and the Beast. Why would that be? Answer,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: who is Philip Levine? Question, the committee has received credible
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: accusations that Mr. Levine is a man in Mr. Epstein's
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: orbit that committed assault against one of the assistants. Hold up.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Hold on a minute here. So that's credible accusations, but
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: what Virginia has said isn't? So Sarah Kellen Vickers is
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: more credible than Virginia? Is that what the committee is saying?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Talk about a shit show. Answer, I don't know who
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that would be. Question, okay. The committee has reviewed other
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: documents that reference other Disney princesses. We would appreciate any
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: information you have in helping us to decode who these
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: women are. Tinkerbell? Answer, no. The Little Mermaid? Answer, no.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Cinderella's answer. No sleep and beauty answer. No question. Have
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you ever met Frederick for Kai answer? No, I have not.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I may have met him once, but yeah, but nothing
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to do with Epstein question. Did you ever hear rumors
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of Frederick for Kai that he was involved in Mr.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Epstein's assistance answer? No question. Same question for Mr. Levine.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Did you ever hear anything about Mr. Levine's involvement with
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's assistance answer? I don't know who Mr. Levine is.
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  Speaker 1: So no, So they go off record, now they're back on.
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  Speaker 1: Redacted is asking the questions. Good morning, Mr. Staley. My
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  Speaker 1: name is Redacted, and I'm going to be asking most
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  Speaker 1: of the questions for the minority today. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: cover some of the same topics that the majority covered
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  Speaker 1: with you in the previous round. That is not to
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  Speaker 1: make you repeat yourself, but rather to make sure we
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  Speaker 1: have a clear record as possible. I appreciate your patience
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  Speaker 1: while I do that. In addition to the extent of
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  Speaker 1: my questions... or any of your answers involve survivor names
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  Speaker 1: or any other survivor identifying information, I ask on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of the minority that the majority redact that information prior
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  Speaker 1: to releasing the transcript publicly. Question Mr. Staley. I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to start with something that you talked about briefly in
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  Speaker 1: the previous round. You testified you had sex with a
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  Speaker 1: young woman on Mr. Epstein's staff, both in a deposition,
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  Speaker 1: in a class action against J.P. Morgan, and also before
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  Speaker 1: the UK's Financial Conduct Authority. As reported by the New
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  Speaker 1: York Times, you said that in 2009 or 2010, while
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  Speaker 1: visiting Mr. Epstein's New York residence, you had a conversation
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  Speaker 1: with a young woman in her 20s who worked for Epstein.
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  Speaker 1: You further said that the young woman suggested that you
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  Speaker 1: come by the building she lived in on the Upper
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  Speaker 1: East Side. According to you, when you visited her apartment,
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  Speaker 1: you went to her bedroom, had consensual sex, took a shower,
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  Speaker 1: and then you left and went back to work. I
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: have some questions for you about that encounter. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember when you first met this woman? Answer, no, exactly no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you said it was sometime in 2009 or 10. Can
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  Speaker 1: you be more specific? Answer, no, I mean 2009 or 10. Question, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein was incarcerated through July of 2009 and on house
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  Speaker 1: arrest through July 2010. Does that help you narrow down
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  Speaker 1: the period? Answer, I guess it would have been after
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  Speaker 1: July of 2009 then. Question, and you said previously that
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  Speaker 1: you met this young woman at Epstein's New York home, correct? Answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and again... I don't know whether she was in her
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  Speaker 1: 20s or 30s. Question. I asked if you met her
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  Speaker 1: at Epstein's New York home. Answer. Yes, I did. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And you're also saying you don't remember her age. Answer again.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the 20s or 30s. Question. And
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  Speaker 1: you said previously that you talked to this woman a
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  Speaker 1: few times. Do you remember exactly how you first met her? Answer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: she was an assistant for Epstein oftentimes when I went
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  Speaker 1: to his house he would not you know be available
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  Speaker 1: and so I would just engage in a discussion about
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: you know just banter question and you remember how many
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  Speaker 1: times you spoke with her answer I'm sure it would
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  Speaker 1: have been half a dozen times question did you talk
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  Speaker 1: to any other assistants for mr. Epstein to Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you have any sense of what they did as Mr.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Epstein's assistants? Answer, you know, he traveled a lot. He
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: had a lot of properties. It seemed to have an
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  Speaker 1: administrative role to helping travel and management of his properties,
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  Speaker 1: is what I thought. Question, when did you have a
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  Speaker 1: conversation with her where you claimed she invited you to
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  Speaker 1: the apartment? Answer, I don't exactly recall, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it was 2010. Question, do you remember when it was
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  Speaker 1: relative to when you first met her? Answer, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it was months after I first met her. Question, months. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what exactly did she say to you? Answer, I don't
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  Speaker 1: recall the exact conversation. Question, did she tell you why
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  Speaker 1: she wanted you to come to her apartment? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: don't believe so. Question, so she just invited you to
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  Speaker 1: her apartment, but didn't tell you why she wanted you
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  Speaker 1: to come? Answer, I think it was suggested, but I
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: don't think she explicitly, no. Question, how would she suggest that? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: you want to come by my apartment, you know, tomorrow morning?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's suggestive. Question, so she just told you
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  Speaker 1: when she wanted you to come by the apartment? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: just in the morning is my recollection. Question, did she
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  Speaker 1: tell you where the apartment was? Answer, yes. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: your recollection is you had this conversation one day at
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  Speaker 1: some point in 2010 and the next day, specifically the
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  Speaker 1: next morning, you went to her apartment? Answer, that seems right, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did you get into the apartment? Answer, it was
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  Speaker 1: a concierge building and I went to the concierge and
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: said I was there to meet. Redacted. He called up.
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  Speaker 1: She said, please let him in. He gave me her
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  Speaker 1: apartment number and I went to the apartment. Question, you
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  Speaker 1: testified that you had sex at her apartment. Please walk
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  Speaker 1: us through what happened. Answer, I think we talked. I
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  Speaker 1: believe we were sitting on the couch together while we
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  Speaker 1: talked and one thing led to another and we had
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  Speaker 1: an intimate engagement. Question, was the sex consensual? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: how did you know that it was consensual? Answer, my
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  Speaker 1: recollection is she invited me into the bedroom. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you remember what she said to you? Answer, precise words, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: are you aware that Mr. Epstein would instruct these women
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  Speaker 1: in his orbit to have sex with men he was
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  Speaker 1: connected to? Answer, no, I was not. Question, you've since
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  Speaker 1: become aware of that, correct? Answer, I was not aware
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  Speaker 1: of him instructing his assistants to have sex with men, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: as you sit here today, that is something that you
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  Speaker 1: are totally unaware of? Answer, yes. Question, you previously testified
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  Speaker 1: that you never spoke to Mr. Epstein about the encounter,
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  Speaker 1: is that correct? Answer, correct. Question, so how do you
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  Speaker 1: know that Mr. Epstein did not instruct this woman to
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  Speaker 1: have sex with you? Answer, that's my assumption. I assume that. Question,
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  Speaker 1: is it possible that instead of her inviting you to
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  Speaker 1: the apartment, you just showed up? Answer, no. Question, were
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  Speaker 1: you violent with her? Answer, no. Question, had you ever
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  Speaker 1: been to this young woman's apartment or her building before? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I had not. Question, did you visit this young woman's
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  Speaker 1: apartment or building after? No, I did not. Question, you
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  Speaker 1: said previously you remember the building. Was on 66th Street.
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  Speaker 1: Is it correct the building was 301 East 66th Street? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall the exact number. Question. Were you aware
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  Speaker 1: at the time that Mr. Epstein housed women he trafficked
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  Speaker 1: in this building? No, I was not. Question. Are you
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  Speaker 1: aware of that now? Answer. No, I am not. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see the young woman following the encounter? Answer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I did. Question. How often? Answer. A few times, I think. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Was this at Mr. Epstein's home? Answer. Yes. Question. Did
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  Speaker 1: you speak with her? Answer. I believe so. Question, what
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  Speaker 1: did you talk about? Answer, it was just casual. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you engage in any sexual activity with this woman
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  Speaker 1: at any point after your visit to her apartment? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, and to be clear, that encounter
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: that you claim was consensual was the first time that
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: you engaged in any sexual activity with this woman? Answer,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that is correct. Question, this woman sued Mr. Epstein for
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: sexual abuse and settled with his estate. Were you aware
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  Speaker 1: at the time that Mr. Epstein was sexually abusing her? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I was not. Question, this woman carved you out of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: her settlement with Mr. Epstein's estate, meaning that she reserved
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the right to pursue legal action against you. Were you
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: aware of that? Answer, no, I was not. Question, were
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: you not aware of any of that up until this point? Mr. Sullivan,
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  Speaker 1: his lawyer, his answer to that would require revealing attorney-client communication. Question,
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  Speaker 1: if the sex that you had with this woman was consensual,
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  Speaker 1: as you claim it was, why would she have wanted
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: to reserve her right To bring claims against you? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, you previously testified in a sworn
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: deposition that this was your only Epstein-connected sexual encounter? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that's correct. Question, do you stand by that testimony? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I do. Question, did you meet any minor girls through Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, but you did meet a young
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: woman through Mr. Epstein, correct? Answer again, I met some
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: of his assistants who were in their 20s or 30s. Question,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: and you met the woman that you claim you had
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: consensual sex with? Through Mr. Epstein, correct? Answer, correct. Question,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: how many young women would you say you met through Mr. Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: half a dozen. Question, other than the encounter that we
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  Speaker 1: just discussed, did you engage in any sexual activity with
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  Speaker 1: any of these women? Answer, no, I did not. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Mr. Epstein ever pay women to engage in sexual
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  Speaker 1: activity with you? Answer, no, he did not. I'd like
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to introduce as minority exhibit A, an email chain between
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  Speaker 1: you and Mr. Epstein. All right, that's where we're going
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  Speaker 1: to wrap up. And in the next episode, we're going
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: to pick up with question in the second email of
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  Speaker 1: the chain. All the information that goes with this episode
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  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box.