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M and M EXTRA June 2, 2026 Our Driverless AI Future · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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  Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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  Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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  Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: our YouTube crowd for being a little late today. Once
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  Speaker 2: in a while, life gets in the way. We had
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  Speaker 2: a company meeting. Poor Mark was hanging in there patiently,
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  Speaker 2: and I had a meeting with the suits and very
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  Speaker 3: We should be able to customize that where it makes
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  Speaker 3: some other type of so like a some kind of
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  Speaker 3: like it's like, hey, hey, hey, you know something that's
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  Speaker 2: Can put it in President Trump's voice. Quiet piggy, it's time.
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  Speaker 3: It's time.
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  Speaker 2: It's the piggy. So but I just got a notification
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  Speaker 2: which is kind of cool on my trusty little uh
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  Speaker 2: my little gadget here, Uh eminem Extra watch live now,
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  Speaker 2: eminem Extra Live stream now. It does say Monday, June first,
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  Speaker 2: twenty six. So that's a little problem. I date a
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  Speaker 2: little loft. We're working out all the hitches, We're working
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  Speaker 2: all the glitch.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, we'll get there, We'll get there. What iPhone is that?
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  Speaker 3: Which one are you up to?
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  Speaker 2: This is the orange one. This is the seventeen pro.
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  Speaker 3: We Stone ivy Stone Knives and bear skins. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's sixty. I think it's sixteen. By sixteen, you run
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  Speaker 3: out and get and get the moment they are released
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  Speaker 3: this second.
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  Speaker 2: I'm one of those dufises that stands in the line
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  Speaker 2: like I got to get the new And it's dumb
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  Speaker 2: because every time you upgrade your iPhone, yes, they promise
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  Speaker 2: you it's seamless, right a spoiler alert, it ain't. I
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  Speaker 2: mean all the passwords go away. There's a whole bunch
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that doesn't transfer over yet they claim it does. Now,
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  Speaker 2: why can we have autonomous cars but you can't upgrade
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  Speaker 2: your iPhone without going through a removal of a kidney?
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  Speaker 3: I have an autonomous car update from North Texas, and
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  Speaker 3: the main plot line and narrative of this is I
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  Speaker 3: went from literally terrified to comedy terrified, like just kind
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  Speaker 3: of do it a bit. You're like, oo, who's good
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  Speaker 3: to get in a driverless car? I've still never done it.
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  Speaker 3: I will at some point, I really will. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think I'm gonna die. I know on balance that generally speaking,
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  Speaker 3: it's safer than when humans drive A little One of
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  Speaker 3: the local stations had a thing we've had some who
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  Speaker 3: is it that about eight or nine little accidents in
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  Speaker 3: the last few months. But here's the thing for each
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  Speaker 3: and they're going to be it's not like they're accident,
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  Speaker 3: but in each of them there was a human being
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  Speaker 3: at the wheel. Is there is there kind of a
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  Speaker 3: gradation process where before it's full self driving, they stick
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  Speaker 3: a human being in there to sort of monitor things,
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  Speaker 3: in which case I would ask what did that person do?
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  Speaker 3: The other thing said, I love this, they said. The
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  Speaker 3: company said they were at low speed. Have you ever
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  Speaker 3: been hit by a car at seven miles an hour?
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing was somebody said that it was
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  Speaker 3: the other In many cases it was the other car's fault,
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  Speaker 3: which I'm totally I'm prepared to I'm prepared to believe.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my experience with a truly autonomous taxi was it
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  Speaker 2: was the Waimo experience. Now Elon is putting a robotaxi
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  Speaker 2: together for Tesla I Rode, an autonomous taxi in Las
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  Speaker 2: Vegas a couple of weeks ago. I forget the name
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  Speaker 2: Zoop or zoom or something. There's some kind of funky name,
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  Speaker 2: and it's completely there's no steering wheel, there's no obviously
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  Speaker 2: no driver. You get into like a like a cab.
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  Speaker 2: You get like a it's like a cabin on wheels.
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  Speaker 2: It's very comfortable and it drives itself. But Waimo is
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  Speaker 2: a particularly interesting story because I saw a profile. It's
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  Speaker 2: an African American woman who's very innovative and she's the
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  Speaker 2: driving force behind Weaimo. I'm pretty sure it's based out
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  Speaker 2: of San Francis, Cisco, where so many of these tech
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  Speaker 2: companies are based, and in Phoenix. They are everywhere. You
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  Speaker 2: can't drive a half a mile in Phoenix without seeing
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  Speaker 2: one of those familiar white jaguars with the big round
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  Speaker 2: dome on the top. And that's the spinning radar and
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  Speaker 2: all that. And it basically is like an uber without
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  Speaker 2: a driver. You summon it on your app and it
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  Speaker 2: comes to the hotel or the restaurant wherever you are.
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  Speaker 2: You get in the car, it says Hello, Michael, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to Waimo, and you pick your music and you can
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  Speaker 2: pick jazz or and it takes you to the airport,
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  Speaker 2: airport or wherever you want to go. And it's an
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  Speaker 2: amazing experience. Last trip I took to Phoenix, it's all
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  Speaker 2: I took. Everywhere I picked, I had a Waimo pick
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  Speaker 2: me up at the airport. I had a Waymo take
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  Speaker 2: me to the restaurant. Well. Earlier today, Weimo announced it
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  Speaker 2: is recalling about thirty eight hundred of its robo taxis
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  Speaker 2: around the country after identifying a risk that vehicles could
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  Speaker 2: enter flooded roads with higher speed limits, which of course
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  Speaker 2: raised safety concerns. This followed an accident. An incident on
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  Speaker 2: April the twentieth, a Weaimo vehicle drove into a flooded
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  Speaker 2: lane in San Antonio in your state of Texas mark
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  Speaker 2: during extreme weather. The vehicle accord into the Waimou officials
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  Speaker 2: was unoccupied. There were no injuries, but the incident prompted
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  Speaker 2: the company to review similar scenarios involving high speeds and
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  Speaker 2: impassable flooded roads. So this is a good thing. They're
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  Speaker 2: going to try to fix whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Every opportunity is a chance to encounter something and adjust accordingly.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess there's a long list of things that
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  Speaker 3: it can realize. Somebody posted not long ago that there
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  Speaker 3: was the driver he was in full service driver mode
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  Speaker 3: in his Tesla or something, and there was some car
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  Speaker 3: that was some truck was doing something and made a
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  Speaker 3: sudden move and he really needed to get into the
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  Speaker 3: next lane, or would have if he were driving, and
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  Speaker 3: in the time it took for him, would have taken
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  Speaker 3: for him to check his blind spots. Blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 3: That car with all those cameras already knew that the
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  Speaker 3: lane was open and moved him right over effortlessly and
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  Speaker 3: everything and everything was just fine.
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  Speaker 2: I can attest the Tesla full service driving supervised. They
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  Speaker 2: call it full service driving Supervisor, and they always do
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  Speaker 2: that caveat supervised. You watch it. You still have to
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  Speaker 2: over You have to be able to override anything it's doing.
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  Speaker 2: But what can you do?
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  Speaker 3: What can you not do? I've heard you, I've heard
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  Speaker 3: you say, or they have to al blurs together. I
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  Speaker 3: was checking emails, I was getting some work done. How attentive?
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't it know when your eyeballs wander?
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  Speaker 2: It actually does to an extent, But I've noticed over
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  Speaker 2: the last six months that it's gotten more lax. You
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  Speaker 2: can have your.
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  Speaker 3: Phone, Can you wear shades?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I wear sunglasses every day. But but if
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  Speaker 2: you but but if you're looking down or you're looking around,
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  Speaker 2: it does catch you and it'll the dashboard will say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: pay attention, or it will take you out of full
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  Speaker 2: service driving mode. But if you mount your phone like
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  Speaker 2: an eye level in front of you to like the
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  Speaker 2: left of the Tesla screen, and that's where most of
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  Speaker 2: those mounts are, you can you can be on that
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  Speaker 2: phone till the cows come home. You can check email,
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  Speaker 2: you can text, you can look at X, you can
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  Speaker 2: scroll because for what the what? And people are going
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  Speaker 2: to find that fine fault with that because and be
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  Speaker 2: critical of it, because they're going to say, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: you shouldn't be on your phone while the car is
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  Speaker 2: driving you. This is when you you're in the full
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  Speaker 2: service driving mode. But look, I haven't had any issues
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  Speaker 2: at all, and I will tell you that it does.
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  Speaker 2: It is a step ahead of you. It does recognize
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure the cars that don't come out in front
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  Speaker 2: of you, or somebody who darts out in front of you.
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  Speaker 2: It reacts faster, you know, technologically than you can. And
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  Speaker 2: they're saying there's already studies showing that it's statistically safer
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  Speaker 2: to have the full service driving option triggered. I went
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  Speaker 2: by the Tesla dealer last week. I was kind of
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  Speaker 2: looking at a why model and that's kind of the
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  Speaker 2: because they've stopped making the luxury models, and they and
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  Speaker 2: the first thing to sell. The guy, the Tesla guy said,
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  Speaker 2: is art Do you use full service driving? And I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he goes, you should be using it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm at a point now where I get my car
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  Speaker 2: in the parking garage, I push a button, I don't
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  Speaker 2: touch anything else until it pulls into the studio studio
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  Speaker 2: parking lot.
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  Speaker 3: It's props diasmin again for the last couple of minutes
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  Speaker 3: of way Mo b roll there. I'm sitting there listening
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  Speaker 3: to you and watching that thing go do what it does.
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  Speaker 3: Now here's something I did not know. I don't expect
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  Speaker 3: anything to be free. That full service driving thing apparently
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  Speaker 3: comes at a month ninety nine dollars a month.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety nine dollars a month. And now back in the
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  Speaker 2: day you could pay ten thousand dollars for it, and then.
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  Speaker 3: You had it for a while for life.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, now it's nine. But now they got rid of
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  Speaker 2: the pay model in terms of the sales model, really,
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  Speaker 2: and now you just pay a ninety nine dollars a
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  Speaker 2: month subscription.
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  Speaker 3: My luck, I'd pay the ten thousand dollars of the
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  Speaker 3: following day. The thing would drive me off a bridge
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  Speaker 3: to my death.
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  Speaker 2: Well you know what's crazy, though, Mark, It is wild,
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  Speaker 2: And I've read this and I can again confirm this.
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  Speaker 2: Your stress level is so reduced when full service driving
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  Speaker 2: is implemented. You're not like sort of you know, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to you get used to it. Because for
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  Speaker 2: my first couple of rides, oh, it takes them getting
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  Speaker 2: used to it, there's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: Then once once you've been absorbed into the into the.
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  Speaker 2: Extenc you got to get into the now. Now for me,
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  Speaker 2: the fully driverless taxi is a much odder experience. But
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  Speaker 2: I've never had a problem.
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  Speaker 3: I've never had a Look why why why would that
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  Speaker 3: be stranger?
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  Speaker 2: To have no ability to override it? You've got no
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  Speaker 2: In other words, I'm sitting in the past in the
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  Speaker 2: driver's back seat. When you're in the back seat, there's
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  Speaker 2: no control. So something goes wrong, And I think there
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  Speaker 2: is a way you can push a button, I think
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  Speaker 2: on the screen. I've ever had to do it, but
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  Speaker 2: you can stop the car if you had to. And
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  Speaker 2: remember when they were having riots in Los Angeles over
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  Speaker 2: they were beating up the way most they were they
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  Speaker 2: were going, they were because there's nobody in the cars,
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  Speaker 2: and they just trash the heck out of all those cars.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're going point A to point B, if
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  Speaker 3: you you're you're at point A and your destination to
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  Speaker 3: some hotels or radio stations, some sums twenty miles away,
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  Speaker 3: you hit the thing off, you go and halfway there
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  Speaker 3: you go. You know, I need to pee here, I
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  Speaker 3: want a burger. How do you edit your your trip underway?
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  Speaker 2: There's you have a screen in front of you, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you can you can adapt, or you can
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  Speaker 2: push a button or and put a stop in. I
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  Speaker 2: guess again, I've never really done that.
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  Speaker 3: I never changed a trip in progress ever.
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  Speaker 2: No, because you mean in the Weimo or the Tesla.
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  Speaker 3: Oh test either one?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, because Weimo. No, I've always just gone from
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  Speaker 2: point A to point B. I mean with Tesla, you
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  Speaker 2: just you just disconnect from the full service drive and
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  Speaker 2: then re enter your navigation and put in the new
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  Speaker 2: new location. Weimo. I don't know how you would do there.
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  Speaker 2: There's got to be a way. But but look, this
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  Speaker 2: leads to a broader conversation that I'm glad we're having
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  Speaker 2: about the entire AI universe that we're in right now,
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  Speaker 2: and it's everywhere. I shared this story with you and
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  Speaker 2: I talked about it on my show. I needed a
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  Speaker 2: plumber a month or two ago, and I called the
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  Speaker 2: plumb the local plumbing company in Tampa Bay, and the
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  Speaker 2: lady answers, Hi, this is Annie with ABC Plumbing. How
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  Speaker 2: can I help you? I said, Hi, Annie, I've got
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  Speaker 2: a I've got a clog. I need some help and
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  Speaker 2: I want to see if you guys can come out
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  Speaker 2: and as soon as possible. And she said, oh, thanks, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: She said, you know you gotta plug. Well, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to work on that. We got to get somebody out there.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're talking. I'm chatting away. I am Kathy Chatty
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  Speaker 2: talking to her.
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  Speaker 3: And you got no idea.
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  Speaker 2: She was completely AI. It was a total It was
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  Speaker 2: a total computer now here was the clue. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, as she's talking to me, I can hear
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  Speaker 2: voices in the background, I can hear a keyboard, you
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  Speaker 2: hear a.
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  Speaker 3: Tip tip tip ten. The illusion, the illusion of a
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  Speaker 3: human experience.
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  Speaker 2: It is done. It is presented to the to the
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  Speaker 2: person on the phone as a total deep fake. You
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  Speaker 2: are believing, and I believed it. The only thing that
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  Speaker 2: tipped it off from me was that she was pausing
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, funny like I would say something a little.
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  Speaker 3: Delayed, a little bit still a little bit, but look,
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  Speaker 3: but she was responding.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, when it dawned on me, I said, oh, I said, look, hey, Annie,
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  Speaker 2: let me talk to a live person. There's a pause.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, now, Mike, I help you with it.
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  Speaker 2: I can help you with anything you need. She's trying
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  Speaker 2: to talk me out of it. I said, and now
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting ticked Now I'm getting ticked off. I said, Annie,
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk to a live She said, stand by,
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  Speaker 2: hold on the phone rings. Melissa picks up HI as
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  Speaker 2: is Melissa. I said, Melissa, are you live or AI?
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  Speaker 2: She burst out laughing, and she said, I see you've
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  Speaker 2: met Annie. And I said you and I said Melissa,
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  Speaker 2: she said, Mike, it is the most. It has made
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  Speaker 2: our office so much more efficient. It is no more practical.
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  Speaker 2: It gets to it takes human element out of it.
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  Speaker 2: And guess what, it costs a lot of jobs. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the concern market that whether you're driving up to
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  Speaker 2: a drive through and the AI is taking your order,
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  Speaker 2: or you're calling a plumbing company, the world is changing
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  Speaker 2: my friend, and it's and it's happening quickly.
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  Speaker 3: It is I can one of the ethics of us
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  Speaker 3: plugging other podcasts, I don't mind doing it. If they
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  Speaker 3: plug us, we should plug them because I some months
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: ago wandered into one called shell Game by a journalist
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  Speaker 3: named Evan Ratlift. Okay, shell game, what he does? You take?
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  Speaker 3: He takes you step by step through He sets up
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  Speaker 3: an entire company and runs it on AI with AI employees,
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  Speaker 3: has it make sales calls, has it at one point
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  Speaker 3: he has one AI talking to another AI, and and
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  Speaker 3: it works just superbly because it's not a lot of
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  Speaker 3: stupid small talk blah blah blah. So shell Game, Evan Ratlift,
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  Speaker 3: it will amaze you, intrigue you, and terrify you all.
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  Speaker 3: At the same time, you mentioned the whatever where the
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  Speaker 3: fake woman's name was, I think I tried to That
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  Speaker 3: was during regular business hours. They were trying to prevent
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  Speaker 3: plugging Human in the loop, right. I had a I
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  Speaker 3: think it was time to get our grill cleaned or something,
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted to see if they were. It was
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  Speaker 3: like Friday or Saturday at five, and I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: what their hours were. But rather than you know, leave
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  Speaker 3: a message and you know we may get back to
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  Speaker 3: you by your next birthday. It was a thoroughly conversational
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  Speaker 3: AI thing who asked me what I kind of needed,
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  Speaker 3: it answered it, and it had a human being called
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  Speaker 3: me back the following morning, eight o'clock. It was it
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  Speaker 3: was better than just leaving a message in the ether.
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  Speaker 2: And you and I both tend I think, if I'm
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  Speaker 2: reading you right, we both tend to favor where this
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  Speaker 2: is headed. But when you stop and think about the
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  Speaker 2: real consequences, I know it's it's a terrifying prospect when
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  Speaker 2: you think about what life is going to be like
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  Speaker 2: for our kids, our grandkids, when you think about not
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  Speaker 2: only the way you stop interacting with other human beings,
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  Speaker 2: but all these services that are now going to be
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  Speaker 2: provided without any human interaction. And look, you laughed when
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  Speaker 2: I said that she tried to talk me out of
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  Speaker 2: talking to a live person. What happens when when it
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  Speaker 2: gets mad at you just won't let you.
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  Speaker 3: You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. You don't
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  Speaker 3: have any need for any of that primitive you know,
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  Speaker 3: the life forum thing that you used to talk to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you know what you know what it reminds
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  Speaker 2: us all of and you're old enough to remember two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and one A space on it?
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: Oh hell, sorry, sorry, Dave opened the bay doors. Al, sorry, Dave,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: I can't do that. That was nineteen sixty eight. Nineteen
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: sixty eight.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: So I thought it was in the seventies.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Wow, No, no, no no. Arthur C. Clark wrote the
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: book in the mid sixties. Movie came out in nineteen
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: sixty eight.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: WHOA and ahead of its time, ahead of its time.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: Ahead of its time. So on this do you know
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: what I did? An hour of the show? All right,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: you ready? Curtain rabbit hole? How we always have a
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: plan for the show. We have a plan for the show,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: and sometimes it's guests and segments and clips and have
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: you ever had something happen on the show where someone
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: calls you or you come up up with something you
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: think you'll throw out? It's funny you mentioned yesterday when
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: when the phones were broken. Nothing I'm doing is working, nothing.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Not one call, not one call. Hours went by, not
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: one call, and Eric's sitting there just fat and happy,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: and then finally calls me and says your phone aren't working.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, thank you. I wish you had told
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: me that two and a half hours ago before I
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: was suicidal because I thought I couldn't even toast a
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: talk show anymore.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: So let's take the reverse of that, where you bring
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: up something and it's just you got twelve calls about
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: something and you go, you know what, I'm going to ride.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: This is this is what people want to do. I'm
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: going to ride the time. Had that happened this morning,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: and it was the related, very related subject of I
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: don't know how big a deal this is there in
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: South Carolina where you are now, or Florida where you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: usually live. Here in Texas. In my world, I'm gonna
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: say two words. You ready, data centers.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Uh nothing, I got nothing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Really, this AI world that you and I have just
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: described require vast acreage of enormous buildings the size of
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: several football fields, containing rack up on rack of computers,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: endless miles of wiring in order to make all this
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: AI stuff electricity, water. They are in it. They're either
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: an environmental nightmare or not, a boon to the local
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: economy or not. And so the huge Nimby not in
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: my backyard battles taking place in Red Oak, just over
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the Dallas County line in Ellis County, south of Dallas.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: They had a big meeting last night. Virtually every speaker
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: said we don't want it, we don't want it, we
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: don't want it. Council voted like eight to one. We're
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: changing the zoning. It's going to happen.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Why they're going to do it anyway, They're totally doing it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: So what's the takeaway? What were your callers saying, I mean,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: what they don't want it?
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: Why they were It's funny because the callers were more
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: even handed than last night's council meeting was. Apparently most
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: people said, you know, I don't. They just put it
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: even further out in the boonies where it doesn't affect
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: as many people's lives. I think I said, I got
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: one a mile from my house and nobody cares. It's fine.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: It's the fears are overstated. They they're worried about property values,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: worried about if you got one of those things, you know,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: a quarter mile out your back fence, it probably doesn't
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: help you sell the house for as much as you
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: wanted to. So it's but so the data center there
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: is and I ran part of are you a fan
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: of John Stossel ring a bell.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, I like his work.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Huh. He's great. And he puts out these five or
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: six minute little videos and he did one on data center.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: He's just said everybody's upset about them, nobody wants them,
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: and he said, that's dumb, because this is the future.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: It can help the future. It's more of it. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: then he talks to a lady with the Competitive Enterprise Institute.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think I missed that up, and she's just
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: all on board for it, and he points out he
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: shows some of the public objections to it, but ultimately
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: it winds up being pretty pro data center. And I
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: can see the pro data center side, and maybe there's
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: just another on the list of things that we're just
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: that it is the future, we're living it, and it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: happening right in front of our faith.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: So you know, just well watch it. Let's rewind a
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: little bit. Let me be the wet blanket here in
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the room, because this is what the kinds of things
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that I worry about I'm afraid of. A year or
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: two ago, Eric, my veteran operations manager, and look, I
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: just I was thinking about this. I'm celebrating twenty five
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: years with Salem. Eric's been with me for twenty four years. Eric,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: I guess twenty oh. No, he was asked you with
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: me before Salem acquired us, So I take that back.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Eric's been with me twenty seven years. We've been with
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Salem together now for a quarter of a century, twenty
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: five years together and Eric, and he's been with me
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: through thick and thin. He was with me in the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Empire State Building on the morning of nine to eleven.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So he's been with me with the highs and lows
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of my Denise and the kids and Micah driving the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: car through the garage door and everything else. So and
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I've watched his kids grow up. I mean when I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: first hired him, he had two little toddler girls. Now
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: he's got three adult daughters who rule the ruse. So
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: that's just life. And it's a joy to be on
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: a progression like that. As you've got you're surrounded by wonderful,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: wonderful people, Ronda and Matt and and you know, we've
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: added people to our team, Yasmin and Tracy, who are
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: here with us every day for the M and M
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: extra and for the shows. But in any event. Eric
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: comes running in and says, Mike, you're not going to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: believe it. Line three, You've got a caller. Line three.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: It's Bill Maher from Los Angeles. I said, the Bill Maher.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, it's the craziest thing. He said, he
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: wants to weigh in on something you're talking about. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I said, it can't be Bill Maher, And I said,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: check the number. He checks the phone number. He did
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: a quick Google search. The number that popped up on
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the screen was from Bill Maher Productions in West Hollywood, California.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: So he said, I checked the number. It goes back
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: to Bill Maher Productions in Hollywood. I said, go back
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and talk to him, vet him. You've got to make sure. Here.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: He goes back, He talks to him for a little
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: bit longer. I can see him. I'm watching him talk
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to the guy. He comes back. He says, Mike, it's him.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: It's Bill Maher. Okay, Line three, let's go to West Hollywood, California.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: On the Mike Gallagher Show. It's Bill Maher. Hey, Hey, Mike,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: cow are He starts talking to me. Well again, it's
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the Annie syndrome. It's totally a manipulated artificial intelligence voice
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and it's Bill Maher and he's having a conversation. Again.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: The thing that they can't perfect, although they will I
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: think one of these days, if they haven't already e
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the ease.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Of beta the pause natural human being.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still unnatural pauses when you're having a conversation.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: But you know, after that happened, I got to thinking,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: do you realize how many seniors have a grandkid named
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Travis and they're going to get a phone call from
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Travis at midnight saying, Grandma, I'm I'm in big trouble.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I need you to wire five thousand dollars.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: You know what to do? You know what to do?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Have a code word, or just asking a question that
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: only Travis would know, Where did we go on your
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: tenth birthday? Something like that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: You're going to have to have that conversation. We should
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: be having that conversations with our seniors and for everybody,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: but you've got.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: To have that senior exact. People get be fooled. But
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: here's what I so, what was the Bill mar thing?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: It was a guy? Well we never got to the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: bottom of it, except that we know that there was
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a person who used a computer to manipulate and use
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Bill Maher's actual voice, and was able to apply it
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to have a fairly normal sounding conversation with talk show
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: host Mike Allagher.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: And he woul show up is coming from and show
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: up is coming from his phone.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: They spoofed his number. That's that's easily gone. That's what
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: they do that all the time. People spoof numbers. In fact,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: be careful. You could get a call that says from bank.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I got a call ones from Bank of America on
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: my phone.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: All all the time, and they're spoofing.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: That number, but it actually is the Bank of America
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: phone number. And they but they're scammers and they can
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: what they call spoofing the number. But that's the part
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of it. Mark, I'm telling you there. I have a
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: sense of dread about this. I have a dread that
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: terrible things are coming with this technology, that things are
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be abuse, there's gonna be there's gonna be malfeasance,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be corruption. I think there's gonna be loss
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: of life.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: Well you know why, you know why, and you're why
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent right, is because it's true of
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: absolutely everything that thing called the Internet is a wonder
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: and a curse. This little things, little things we've been
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: dangling in front of the cameras, these little phones that
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: we have are an absolute wonder and a joy and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: a miracle, and they're also a curse and a blight
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: and a scourge. The differing factor here is is is
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: the X factor is humanity, which means they're gonna be
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: good people, good purposes and bad people doing things to
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: bad ends.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Well, and I've got and I've got four adult sons.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: One of my sons, who I think I can admit
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think he'd mind me sharing on the podcast
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: candidly suffers from bouts of depression and uh, you know
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: kind of has always has to battle through that. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: don't think it's I don't know that it's chronic. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: don't know that it's that it's it's a severe level
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of depression. But you know, he admits it, and it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: an open thing. He is so despondent about AI. I
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: think he's got almost obsessing about it. And I don't
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: think that he's off the beaten path. I think a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: lot of young people are worried about what's going to happen,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: and for the.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: For the darkening of our future, for the job loss,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: for the justify that this is not going to go well.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: All of the above. That it's not going to go well.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And he's worried for his daughter, he's worried about his
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: potential grandkids, he's worried about what this looks like ten
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: twenty fifty years from now. Because Mark, we joke about it,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: but it's it really is like the old cliche, the
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: machines taking over and humanity is being if that isn't
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: being eradicated, And I think that's fair. You seem less
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: cynical or worried about it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I'm saying this is just me being pensive about exactly
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: where I am on the spectrum. I mean, enormously enthusiastic
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and cripplingly terrified. A few minutes ago, as you were
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: sort of shaping up the direction of this conversation, you said,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: we we probably are harboring a certain amount of optimism.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I think, I am you. Certainly are there elements of
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: it that are exciting and fun and wondrous, but we
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: have the I think the requisite amount of concern, like, Okay,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: what might happen? What might go wrong. So from if
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I am more optimistic than pessimistic, which I think I am,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: why is it just faith? Is it just faith that
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: we're going to get this right in some way that
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: we're you know, I mean from the internet to the
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: cell phones. I think the positive still outweigh the negatives.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, I guess I think I can
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: under it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I can answer it. I can answer it for you.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: You're a perennially optimistic person. You're somebody and I don't
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: say this just to blow smoke in your ear, but
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I as I've gotten to know you over the years
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and come to love and respect you, and and you're
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: you and your bride and your kids. You are a
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: guy that almost always sees the glass half full. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I think you probably look at this on the horizon
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and you say, look, it could be bad. But I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: choose to look at the possibilities here. And that speaks
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to your character, and that speaks to your intellect, and
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that speaks to your worldview. And I try to be optimistic.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I'm a pretty optimistic guy too, but I also can
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: be a bit of a fatalist. I'm somebody who who
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: also dread. I get into my head too much, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I think what if? What if? What if? What if?
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And I'm afraid that that's probably the what why you
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and I are a little bit, a little bit at
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: loggerheads over this because I really see horrible things coming
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: with this, yeah, and I don't.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Not see them. And you you were very kind to
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: me a minute ago, and I thank you.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: But the.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Reverse analysis on that might be that you are the
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: more realistic, that you are, the more a pragmatist, and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: I'm just kind of naive. I'm always willing to consider that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Bob, Well, you give you ten as I kind of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: pseudoanalyze your your personality. You tend to give people the
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt. And I love that about you.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: You do you see the good in people, you know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I keep thinking about the old Will Rogers Bromide. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: never met a man I didn't like, you know, and
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I loved that about about that. I love that mindset.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I love trying to and I and I hate that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: about myself. I wish I could be less cynical and
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: less negative, because look, I get excited about technology. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: was convincing you about the autonomous driving and this whole
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: surce driving. You were like, I'm never.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Dragging you have dragged me into the into the grudging
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: willingness to do it.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I love the new iPhones, and I love
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the Apple Watches. I love technology and what it can do. Look, Eric,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: who I mentioned, Eric, who's been with me all these years.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: He just last week. I kid you not, I'm not
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: trying to embarrass him. He just discovered chat GPT. I've
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: made references to chat gpt repeatedly and he he didn't.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Finally got on board and tried it. He called me,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: He said, Mike, this chat GPT is the greatest thing
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I've ever experienced, and and mark it is. You can
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: utilize it in every aspect of your life, both personal
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and professional. We had a company thing that happened a
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, and it was just a little
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: bit of restructuring and corporate hierarchy stuff. And I fed
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: all the information about our employer, Salem Media, and about
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: investors and things like that, and I fed it into
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: chat GPT. It was terrifyingly accurate. It. Oh, it knew
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: our founder, it knew that our history of Salem for
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: fifty years, that Salem started fifty years ago with a
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: little radio station, a Christian radio station in California. And
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: it knew the whole thing. And let me tell you
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: what it did. You ready to get it? Be really
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: blown away? Sure, it predicted to a t what was
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: going to happen in the next week or two of
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: our company, And it happened just the way chat GPT
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: told me it was going to happen. In other words,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the applications of chat GPT are a lot deeper and
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: broader than Hey, what's the spot on my forehead? No,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Mark pers but people don't know how
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to use it, and Mark Eric just figured out how
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: to use it. And now the more you do it,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I'm on chat BT twenty times a day. I'm telling
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you it's incredible.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Now, this is funny because and now where there's like
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: a there's a loyalty of it and the first thing
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: that everybody needs to know. And I after years of
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: doing this, I'm going to bet you there are all
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: kinds of people consuming this now, whether it's live on
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: YouTube or later on on YouTube, or later on on
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Apple or Spotify, that maybe even a majority of people
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: consuming us right now are saying, hey, guys, I don't
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: know what it is either or I just discovered it too.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Eric is what we call a normal human being who
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is in a media world, but it doesn't mean that
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: he is as hovering over every you know, a crazy
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: cutting edge thing like you or I or somebody else
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: might do. I've been late to the game on a
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: couple of things at times, and just because I sort
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: of wandered into it, took me forever to get a
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: DVD player, as I recalled, like, oh okay, so I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people who just haven't done
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: it yet. But you're right once you do, and I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: don't feel like I've surrendered my life to anything. It's
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: like having it's like having a twenty four hour executive
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: assistant who will go run look at stuff, who will
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: google stuff for you and do a little summary and
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: hand it right back to you. Now, you mentioned chat GPT,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: which I do sometimes. I am a I'm a grock
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: guy that as the elon Twitter environment, and I have
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: heard them categorized in a kind of that chat GPT
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: that see if this resonates, Chat GPT is kind of
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: a straight down the line, useful, uh, not real edgy,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: just kind of answers. It's very functional, very professional groc
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: can is. It can be kind of not snarky, but
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: it has some personality you can either like or not like.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I've you know, and I feel little bit is totally true.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I like that and sometimes I don't because and
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: then there's Claude, which I don't think I've ever done
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: in my life. And there are some others and they
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: and so all the even all the a I s
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: have certain personality traits.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So wow, it's all coming. And on that happy note,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I say, we wrap for another day of the M
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and M extra, So it's we're what a world we're
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: living in it? And look, indeed, so quote a great musical,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: What a time to be alive.
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  Speaker 3: I love it every day and I so so appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: And I hope everybody's having a good time.
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  Speaker 2: Have a great one. See you next time.