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The Kenny Report | 18 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me, coming to you live from Adelaide
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  Speaker 2: again tonight. One Nation surging in South Australia with Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hanson about to deliver a shockwave to the coalition nationally.
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  Speaker 2: The One Nation leader has generated predictable protests by.
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  Speaker 1: Take you there as well by.
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  Speaker 2: Now joined Hanson on a street walk today and I
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  Speaker 2: can assure you that those protesters were the exception. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Alberanezi calls a national cabinet to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 1: But how's he going to fix it?
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  Speaker 2: I'll get the latest on the war in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: across to esther Kraku in the UK and Denika and
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  Speaker 2: Justin will be here for the Wednesday wrangle.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking here in Adelaide today the big election.
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  Speaker 2: Focus was on the Sky News the Advertiser Leader's debate,
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  Speaker 2: but even as the premiere turned up for that, it
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  Speaker 2: was all about One Nation. As Peter Malinowskis crossed paths
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  Speaker 2: for the first time with Pauline Hanson, who was leaving
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  Speaker 2: the Advertiser building.
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  Speaker 3: You might have violently different views on a number of subjects.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm always ready to work with those who were
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  Speaker 1: from work in the.
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  Speaker 4: Interest of the same correct.
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  Speaker 1: I wish you safe troubles back to queens Lay.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get back to the leader's debate in the moment.
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  Speaker 2: But Pauline Hanson won't go back to Queensland just yet
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  Speaker 2: because she's very popular in South Australia, as I found
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  Speaker 2: out when I joined her in the city this morning.
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  Speaker 5: This is like random, I'm not even meant to be
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  Speaker 5: here today already Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: I'll show you plenty more of all that later in
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  Speaker 2: the program and a bit of agro to don't miss it.
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  Speaker 2: But one Nation's popular can't be avoided in this state
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  Speaker 2: election campaign or across the national political debate. The latest
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  Speaker 2: Yugov poll has One Nation at twenty two percent, clearly
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  Speaker 2: ahead of the Liberal Party, with Labor again below forty percent.
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  Speaker 2: Remember this is a statewide sample, so One Nation will
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  Speaker 2: be polling much higher than that in some regional seats.
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  Speaker 2: It looks likely to snatch a few of them. Little
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  Speaker 2: wonder then, that when the Premier faced off against Liberal
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  Speaker 2: leader Ashton Hern, one Nation was front of mind.
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  Speaker 3: And when I wake up on Sunday morning, whatever the
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  Speaker 3: result of the election is I'll wake up in South Australia,
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  Speaker 3: pauland Hanson will be in Queensland.
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  Speaker 6: It's not just about who can sparse things up, it's
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  Speaker 6: about who's going to get things done, and that is
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  Speaker 6: not one nation. I agree with the Premier. I think
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  Speaker 6: with one nation, they're obviously a Queensland based party. They
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  Speaker 6: are very Queensland focused.
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  Speaker 1: The debate was pretty solid.
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  Speaker 2: Melanowskis was strong on his economic record. South Australia's economic
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  Speaker 2: performance is among the best in the ration in the
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  Speaker 2: nation right now when traditionally it's trailed, but cost of
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  Speaker 2: living factors are still front of mind with voters.
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  Speaker 6: The small business was saying to me that their prices
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  Speaker 6: have gone up thirty seven percent in the last little while.
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  Speaker 6: That is almost impossible to absorb. Six years ago, that
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  Speaker 6: energy bill was six hundred bucks a month and now
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  Speaker 6: fast forward to today two thousand dollars a month. And
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  Speaker 6: so these are the very real issues that the Premiere
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  Speaker 6: is failing to get on top of.
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  Speaker 3: I think, particularly at a state level, we're better off
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  Speaker 3: just being honest with people and say I don't control
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  Speaker 3: the price of petrol or weepix.
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  Speaker 2: Surprisingly, Hern was weak on energy and unclear on net zero.
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  Speaker 2: She failed to attack Malanowskis on Labour's renewable energy folly,
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  Speaker 2: which has left the state with the country's most expensive
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  Speaker 2: and least secure electricity. Labor has also wasted hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars on failed green hydrogen plans. Hern at
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  Speaker 2: least tried to get on the front foot.
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  Speaker 3: The Libs are tearing themselves apart. There's been open warfare.
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  Speaker 6: You're the one that's so focused on talking about the
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  Speaker 6: Liberal Party. You spend more time talking about the Liberal
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  Speaker 6: Party than you do about your policies.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's real weakness in this campaign is health, hospitals and ramping.
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  Speaker 2: These are the issues Labour used to great effect when
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  Speaker 2: at one office four years ago, but it's completely failed
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  Speaker 2: to fix the problems it highlighted.
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  Speaker 6: He likes to be the positive man. I think it's
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  Speaker 6: safe to say that you go out pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Regularly on good news.
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  Speaker 6: You never had the bad news, so you never there
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  Speaker 6: with the bad news.
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  Speaker 1: Every question.
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  Speaker 6: When was the last time you did a press conference
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  Speaker 6: to release the ramping stats in essay which are twice
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  Speaker 6: as bad the last time of the last election, when
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  Speaker 6: you promised to South Australians that you'd fix it. You
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  Speaker 6: haven't said I'm.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, I have Iby, I've been very candid about the
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  Speaker 7: fact that despite all the government's investments and effort that
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  Speaker 7: we've made in the public hospital system, we have not
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  Speaker 7: been able to achieve the results that we wanted.
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  Speaker 2: On the counter attack, the Premier focused on a lack
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  Speaker 2: of clarity and conviction from the Liberals, as we.
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  Speaker 6: Do have a policy that we're taking to the election
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  Speaker 6: to repeal the Voice. This was you know, I think
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  Speaker 6: over the course of looking at the outcomes that have
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  Speaker 6: come from it, this is not something that has delivered results.
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  Speaker 3: So the leader of the Opposition didn't oppose the Voice
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  Speaker 3: when she could have voted against it in Parliament, and
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  Speaker 3: now she's saying she is opposed to it.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: What's because she's worried about one nation in the polls.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, we get back to where we started.
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  Speaker 1: One nation.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson's outfit is the party that is all the
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  Speaker 2: talk here in South Australia. And come Saturday night, if
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  Speaker 2: the polls, if it actually polls more in the ballot box,
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  Speaker 2: then the coalition does overall, One nation will be the talk.
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  Speaker 1: Of the nation.
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  Speaker 2: The economy and the cost of living continued to confound
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  Speaker 2: the easy labor government. As you know, after yesterday's interest
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  Speaker 2: rate rise, the fourteenth under this government, Treasurer Jim Charmers
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  Speaker 2: was out fending off talk about a looming recession today.
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  Speaker 8: Can you guarantee we won't head into a recession?
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's certainly not something that we're expecting or forecasting
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  Speaker 9: or anticipating, and neither is the Reserve banker. I saw
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  Speaker 9: the press conference from the Reserve Bank governor warning about
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  Speaker 9: worst case scenarios, but the central case, the expected trajectory,
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  Speaker 9: is that our economy will continue to grow.
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  Speaker 2: The trouble is that Charmers and Albanisia are in a
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  Speaker 2: bind now because they've failed to rain in spending earlier.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they've increased government spending to record levels.
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  Speaker 1: They now have to.
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  Speaker 2: Find a way to claw back their expenditure at a
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  Speaker 2: time of household budget pain and fears of a recession.
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  Speaker 9: We've managed the budget in a responsible way which would
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  Speaker 9: be unrecognizable to our predecessors. But we know that there's
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  Speaker 9: more work to do to make the budget even more responsible,
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  Speaker 9: and that's a big focus of the meetings. That we're having,
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  Speaker 9: including today and throughout the week in the lead up
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  Speaker 9: to the budget.
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  Speaker 1: He may good luck with that one, Hay.
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  Speaker 2: Just because they say the words are responsible economic management
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  Speaker 2: a lot and talk about sound budgets, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: they've ever delivered on either of them, or have any
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  Speaker 2: hope of changing their ways. The simple fact is that
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  Speaker 2: Labor has been totally focused on buying votes and appeasing
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  Speaker 2: their union masters rather than fixing the economy by boosting
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  Speaker 2: productivity or delivering sustainable budgets. And now, on top of
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  Speaker 2: the housing crisis, the cost of living crisis, and their
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  Speaker 2: self imposed energy crisis, they face a fuel crisis. I
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  Speaker 2: mocked the Finance Minister yesterday for trying to tackle this
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  Speaker 2: problem with endless meetings.
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  Speaker 1: So what did the Prime Minister announce today?
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  Speaker 10: Tomorrow I will be convening the National Cabinet virtually. I'll
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  Speaker 10: be from Hobart tomorrow and that will be about making
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  Speaker 10: sure that we deal with the issues that Australia and
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  Speaker 10: indeed the world is confronting with the issue of fuel security,
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  Speaker 10: making sure that states and territories coordinate with the Commonwealth,
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  Speaker 10: making sure as well that we spread best practice, and
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  Speaker 10: that we identify any issues which are there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a national fuel crisis.
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  Speaker 2: We're light on for fuel reserves, we don't have enough
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  Speaker 2: refining capacity, and a national cabinet meeting that'll fix it,
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  Speaker 2: won't it.
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  Speaker 1: Given the way national cabinet.
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  Speaker 2: Works during COVID, that is, it worked against national plans
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  Speaker 2: and against the interests of most citizens, we shouldn't expect
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  Speaker 2: too much from this meeting either. In fact, talk about
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  Speaker 2: COVID on this issue, the Prime Minister to sounds just
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  Speaker 2: like the pandemic calls on toilet paper.
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  Speaker 10: My message to Austrains as well is to not take
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  Speaker 10: more fuel than you need. That is how you can help.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all our fault for wanting fuel in our cars,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: You're going to have to do better than that. PM.
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  Speaker 2: Let's now catch up with clear Channel, the shadow Finance Minister.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us again. Claire.
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  Speaker 2: First up, your thoughts on a national cabinet meeting on
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  Speaker 2: the fuel crisis?
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  Speaker 1: How is that going to solve the problem?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's a really good question. Chris and
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  Speaker 5: Anthony Avanzi and Jim Chalmers love a talk fest. When
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  Speaker 5: the going gets tough, they will bring as many people
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  Speaker 5: as they can into the room in an attempt to
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  Speaker 5: shift blame or spread how many people are trying to
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  Speaker 5: solve the problem. And I suspect that will be what
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  Speaker 5: we see out of National cabin It once again tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think Australians want to see the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 5: holding meetings. I think Australians want to see the Prime
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  Speaker 5: Minister and the treasure At taking the fuel crisis seriously
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  Speaker 5: and coming up with some real solutions and todate. We
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  Speaker 5: certainly haven't seen that.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to this talk of a recession.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was pointed yesterday that the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 2: governor uttered the word a number of times. Usually they'll
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  Speaker 2: avoid it, like the plague. Here's Michelle Bullock yesterday.
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  Speaker 11: We don't want to see a recession or a large
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  Speaker 11: rise in unemployment if we can avoid it.
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  Speaker 1: That's part of our dual mandates, Claire Chandler, is it
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  Speaker 1: a real risk at the moment.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I don't want to see a recession either, Chris,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm sure most Australians would feel exactly the same way.
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  Speaker 5: But unfortunately, if that is something that eventuates, the federal
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  Speaker 5: budget is not in a good position for the government
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  Speaker 5: to be able to respond accordingly to a recession. Now
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  Speaker 5: you look back to previous recessions, the Global financial crisis
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  Speaker 5: recessions or economic downturn during the COVID nineteen pandemic. In
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  Speaker 5: both of those situations, the governments of the day had
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  Speaker 5: a healthy budget to be able to deal with those issues.
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  Speaker 5: The GFC because we'd had twelve years of Howard and
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  Speaker 5: Costello in the lead up to that. When Kevin Rudd
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  Speaker 5: eventually won the election in two thousand and seven and
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  Speaker 5: had to deal with the GFC shortly after, and the
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  Speaker 5: coalition balanced the budget right before the pandemic, so we
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  Speaker 5: were in a strong budget and economic position to be
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  Speaker 5: able to deal with those issues when they arose. You
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  Speaker 5: can't say the same thing right now. If Australia ends
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  Speaker 5: up in a recession by the end of the year,
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  Speaker 5: I'm very concerned that the government is not in a
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  Speaker 5: position to be able to deal well with it because
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  Speaker 5: they haven't been able to get the budget under control.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look, we talk about a housing crisis in this country,
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  Speaker 2: on the cost of living crisis in trus rates going
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  Speaker 2: up yet again is only going to tighten the squeeze
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  Speaker 2: on a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Here, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: And as you said in your intro tonight, Chris, we've
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  Speaker 5: seen fourteen rate rises under this labor government and that
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  Speaker 5: is not good news for Australians whatsoever. No Australian wants
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  Speaker 5: to see their mortgage repayments going up month or month
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  Speaker 5: or month when everything else seems to be going up in.
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  Speaker 1: Price as well.
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  Speaker 5: The cost of grocery, is the cost of energy, the
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  Speaker 5: cost of healthcare, the cost of education, and all of
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  Speaker 5: these things just keep stacking up on top of another.
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  Speaker 5: And Australians rightly feel like they need a break. But
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  Speaker 5: my concern is, and the concern of the Coalition is
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  Speaker 5: that they're not going to get that break under this
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  Speaker 5: albneazy get labor government.
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  Speaker 2: Look, there seems to be a bit of a shift
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  Speaker 2: in the Treasurer's rhetoric when it comes to the budget.
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  Speaker 2: He seems to accept, as if he could possibly deny it,
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  Speaker 2: the government spending is helping to fuel inflation. The Reserve
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  Speaker 2: Bank Governor has been more frank about this in some
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  Speaker 2: of a recent comments. I mean, they have to trim
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  Speaker 2: spending in the budget, don't they, And what sort of
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  Speaker 2: markers are you laying down for them master what they
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  Speaker 2: can do with their own expenditure come made.
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  Speaker 5: Look, of course, I want to see government spending reduced, Chris.
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  Speaker 5: I've been very upfront about that. That's the number one
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  Speaker 5: way that you can get the budget under control. And
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  Speaker 5: I note that Jim Chalmers's rhetoric has changed somewhat in
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  Speaker 5: the last month. He's been apparently going around to colleagues
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  Speaker 5: asking them to find areas where they can save money
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  Speaker 5: within their departments. But to an extent, it's going to
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  Speaker 5: be too little, too late if it does show up
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  Speaker 5: in the budget this year. And that's if it does
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  Speaker 5: show up in the budget this year. I'm still not
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  Speaker 5: convinced that Jim Charmers and Katie Gallahan, Anthony Albanezi and
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  Speaker 5: the other ministers that sit on the Expenditure Review Committee
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  Speaker 5: have the discipline to be able to make the tough
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  Speaker 5: decisions and actually reduce government spending, because they sure they
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  Speaker 5: surely haven't managed to do that in the last four years.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come back to you were in the days and
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  Speaker 2: weeks to come, Claire Chandler, to find out some of
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  Speaker 2: your ideas about where they can save money. Thanks so
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  Speaker 2: much for joining us again tonight, Claire Channeler.
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  Speaker 1: They're the shadow Finance Minister. Now, the war.
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  Speaker 2: Against Iran is continuing in the Middle East, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: and an Iranian strike has hit an airbase that's used
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  Speaker 2: by Australia in the UAE. The projectile struck near the
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  Speaker 2: al Minhad Air Base, which is south of Dubai, and
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister has confirmed that all Australian defense personnel
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  Speaker 2: are safe, but there was damage to the site.
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  Speaker 10: There was minor damage to an accommodation block and a
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  Speaker 10: medical facility due to a small fire that was created
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  Speaker 10: as a result of that projectile hitting on a road
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  Speaker 10: leading up to that base. There was no impact on
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  Speaker 10: Australian personnel. They are safe.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to Tom Switzer columnists with the Australian. Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for joining us again. Tom.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Anthony Albaneze he wants to stay well clear
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  Speaker 2: of this war. Very clear, that very very keen to
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  Speaker 2: point out that no Australian's affected, and of course we
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  Speaker 2: are pleased that they're safe. But it just reminds me
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  Speaker 2: of the reports we heard that when that American submarine
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  Speaker 2: were Australian sub mariners on board Censor ship IS and
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  Speaker 2: the Australians had been sent.
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  Speaker 1: To bed, sent away from the action.
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  Speaker 2: But when it comes to the war, we've got to
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  Speaker 2: be surprised, don't we. The level of disruption is Iran
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  Speaker 2: and damage that Iran has been able to cause continuingly
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  Speaker 2: in the Gulf States. Obviously it suffered enormous damage to
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  Speaker 2: its military capacity, but it's a large country with a
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  Speaker 2: large military, and it's still inflicting damage on its neighbors
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  Speaker 2: well exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they have been blown up to smith rings
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  Speaker 4: in many respects. But for all the destructive force that's
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  Speaker 4: been unleashed across Iran, the cold hard reality is that
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  Speaker 4: President Trump, you know, he now has to recognize that
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  Speaker 4: Tehran has him over a barrel quite literally. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: they're threatening the shipping through the Strait of Homus, and
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  Speaker 4: as a result, the Iranians now have seized the strategic
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  Speaker 4: initiative and basically controlling twenty percent of the world's energy supplies.
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  Speaker 4: This is a real problem for the United States and
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  Speaker 4: they're on the back foot as a result.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a listener what the President has had
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  Speaker 2: to say about his allies, including NATO.
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  Speaker 1: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: I think NATO's making a very foolish mistake and I've
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  Speaker 3: long said that I wonder whether or not NATO would
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  Speaker 3: ever be there for US.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so he's not impressed about the lack of support
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  Speaker 2: from NATO. I mean, he's been trying to get NATO
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  Speaker 2: to stump up on many levels, including defense spending, for
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  Speaker 2: his whole time in politics. But have a look at
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  Speaker 2: this post where he's broadened I suppose his gripe across
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  Speaker 2: more countries. He's talked about the fact that because he's
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  Speaker 2: had such military success, we no longer need or desire
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  Speaker 2: that NATO's country NATO countries to help, and we never did,
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  Speaker 2: he said. But likewise, he adds in Japan, Australia and
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  Speaker 2: South Korea, he's three significant allies in the East Asia region.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of that slap at Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Trump insists the United States has always stood by
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  Speaker 4: its allies. But in international politics, expectations of gratitude they
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  Speaker 4: rest on shaky foundations. You know. Charles de Gaure, the
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  Speaker 4: French president, once said that great powers are cold monsters
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  Speaker 4: and gratitude is not one of their finer attributes. And
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  Speaker 4: we should remember, you know, during our moment of need
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  Speaker 4: and East Team or in nineteen ninety nine, the Americans
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  Speaker 4: did very little to help us out. And on this occasion,
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  Speaker 4: with Trump's criticisms of NATO, let's just remember it was
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  Speaker 4: only two months ago at Davos, Chris when Trump publicly
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  Speaker 4: threatened the territorial integrity of Denmark, a fellow NATO ally,
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  Speaker 4: a NATO member, and that moment rattled confidence all across
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  Speaker 4: Western Europe. So I think it's a bit rich now
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  Speaker 4: for Donald Trump begging for American for allied assistance for
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  Speaker 4: America in a war of choice. Remember, there was very
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  Speaker 4: little public debate before the attacks. There was no consultation
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  Speaker 4: with Congress, and there was no consultation with US ally.
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  Speaker 4: So this is blown up unfortunately in Donald Trump's face.
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  Speaker 2: I think the way that he disrespects his allies, at
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  Speaker 2: least in his political rhetoric, is a massive problem. And
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  Speaker 2: of course an Australia leading Australian politician is taking him
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  Speaker 2: up on this, and none other than Andrew Hasty, who
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  Speaker 2: knows more about these issues and has put his own
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: life on the line so many times in conflict for Australia.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Here's Andrew Hasting.
• 18:47
  Speaker 8: Look, I thought it was a petulant post from a
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: President under immense pressure yesterday he said from the Oval Office.
• 18:53
  Speaker 8: I think it was that he didn't expect Australia from
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: was to be closed for this long. Well, as a
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: like to quote Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: they get punched in the face, and the enemy always
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: has a vote. You don't treat allies like that, relationships
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: that are long standing.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You show respect.
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: And I don't think it was a respectful post at all.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: He's spot on, isn't he. Tom.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I don't think Australia and it's easy to
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: criticize Anthony Alberanesi. I mean you and I have done
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: that many times over the last few years. There are
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: good reasons to criticize Anthony Albanesi's public policy agenda. But
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: I also don't think and I think Andrew Hasey's position
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: here is based on what Trump's doing here. The Americans
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: should not expect unqualified support for this Iran policy, especially
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: when so many other long standing allies of the United
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: States are expressing serious reservations about both the legitimacy and
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: the effectiveness of this policy.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Look, I've got to say I was struck in my
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: inint of view with John Howard last week about how
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: strongly he felt for Canada because of the way that
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump has disrespected.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Canada as an ally of country.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Of course that was there in the Normandy landings and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: more recently in the Afghanistan war, has been there doing
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: its international duty and played a terribly high price with
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: the service personnel loss, but just disrespected by Trump.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: What doesn't he get about these sorts of relationships.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Well, we spoke about he stated the Union address exactly
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: three weeks ago. It was a two hour State of
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: the Union address, four days before the US strikes. Only
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: one minute of that State of the Union address was
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: dedicated to Iran and there was no consultation with Congress.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I don't blame him. We're not going to the United Nations.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I don't think that was justify but international lawyers in
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: that point, Yeah, but we weren't consulted in Australia, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: I think the British or the naval allies were consulted.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: So it's a bit rich now for Donald Trump to
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: come asking US for support for a mess, but he's
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: largely created. I mean, one of the reasons why US
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: presidents from Bush right through to Trump and Biden didn't
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: want to commit these strikes. They did the war games.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: They recognized that Iran, we pushed it with its back
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: against the wall, would use whatever leverage it has. And
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: one of the leverages it has of these ballistic missiles
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: and drones which they're using to intimidate the Straits of Hormuz,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: which is now got Trump on the back foot.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, sure is. Thanks for joining us, Tom, I
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. I still hope for a good outcome and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a swift outcome. I'm certain we all do, but it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: very difficult in the Middle East. Just at the moment
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: now coming up after the break, you do not want
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: to miss this. I joined One Nation's Pauline Hanson and
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Corey Bernardi on a street walk in Adelaide today. We
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: encountered a few protesters, but I'll tell you what, there
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: was a lot more good news in this for One Nation.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: About to share with you my arting with Pauline Hanson
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and Corey Bernardi and Adelaide's rund Or more. But let
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: me tell you about this first. A speech given today
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: by Labour's Minister for Skills and Training, Andrew Giles, where
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: he said One Nation and the Libs and Nats closing
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: up to them are seeking to exploit real frustration from
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: people who since they've been left behind. Giles said, Labour's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: skills and training tells people that they're Australians and this
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: ensures that every Australian believes they matter, they're listened to,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and our democracy works in their interests. Now, this speech
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: was previewed in The Guardian earlier today under the headline
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: about Pauline Hansen exploiting less well educated Australians. The Guardian
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: later changed the headline and the article, and the Minister's
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: office says his speech wasn't.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Watered down anyway.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That's where I started this morning in the heart of Adelaide.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So here we are in the middle of Adelaide at CBD,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: right by the mall's balls, a bit of a focal
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: point here, and I want to welcome to Adelaide the
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: leader and founder of One Nation, Pauline Hanson, and of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: course I lead found Australian candidate, the former Liberal senator
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Cory Bernardi.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Here we are, Pauline at the balls Balls. Are you impressed?
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: Definitely?
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: I'm impressed your time. That goes back a long way
• 23:19
  Speaker 11: a lot of history into it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I want to start off by asking you today about
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the line we've heard from the Labor Party from one
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: of their minister's Andrew Giles, saying that one nation is
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: excluding the less well educated voters in this country, the ignorant.
• 23:33
  Speaker 11: Effectively, I think it's a disgusting comment to make. A
• 23:37
  Speaker 11: lot of Australians are actually hurshing, and because they're hurting,
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: they're turning against the major political parties.
• 23:42
  Speaker 12: So we've got a downgrade and we've got to be you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: Know, make those comments about them. It just upsets me.
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: These are the people elitias, They think they know better
• 23:51
  Speaker 11: than the ordinary. A story of them out there. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: I've traveled the country, the state, and I've traveled the
• 23:56
  Speaker 11: state the last few days, christ and I'll tell you
• 23:58
  Speaker 11: I've got these people down to earth, sault of the
• 24:01
  Speaker 11: Earth people they are, and all their crying out someone
• 24:04
  Speaker 11: to listen to them.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Corey, you've been traveling South Australia with Pauline of course,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: talking to a lot of South Australian voters. These sorts
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of comments from Labor and sometimes you get something similar
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: from the Coalition. I suppose it's smacks of Hillary Clinton
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: and the deplorables.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You have to be deplorable to vote to the other side.
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a disgrace and a lot of people have
• 24:21
  Speaker 13: said that were really offended when the premier started punching
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: down on carers in the elderly and saying we had
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: to import people to effectively wipe their bums. And now
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: we've got a minister that's punching down on people because
• 24:33
  Speaker 13: they're saying there's something wrong with what their government's been doing.
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: People have been left behind. Chris, It's really shocking that
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: the arrogance and the entitlement of both the government and
• 24:42
  Speaker 13: the opposition is showing. And I think people are going
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: to vote accordingly.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Well, let's go for a walk and catch up with
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the voters themselves.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: All right, Hello, this is like random.
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: I'm not even meant to be here today.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I love to say.
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: Already Saturday, thank you for the best, Thanks all the
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: good way, bye bye.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Hello, how are you very much? I am very surprised
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to see you. I did not expect you. What a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: lucky time it is.
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: Hello guys, how are you going yourself?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely pleasure, Madia, Thank you very much, good bags.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: There we go.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: The whole four. No worries you think you about voting
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: for Paula?
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely? Have you voted one nation before?
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: No?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: What's different about this time? How they're standing up for
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Australian and Australian venues.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely and all the all the Greece that
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: you guys cocked.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I've been following you both and keep.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: Your mouth.
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: Glad to be the show third world nations and so I.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Really understand how lucky.
• 26:01
  Speaker 13: In Australia, So keep up only appreciate her.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Of course you can lovely me to take it even
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: though you're not old enough to vote. Doesn't matter at Australia, isn't.
• 26:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I love you, I love.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 26:22
  Speaker 12: My father's first flag Australian flag five years ago.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah wow, yeah, I'm so proud of you both. Want
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: to line take the photo and can I ask you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: a question why we're at it? Can you tell me
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: whether or not you're thinking about.
• 26:34
  Speaker 11: Voting for one I've already voted for one nation, mate.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: You've already voted for them? And why have you voted
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: one nation?
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: Because we need our country back lay that's why.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Who have you voted for before? Well before that was
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the Liberals? But they completely mess at the moment, unfortunately.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But I always voted for I always woted for one
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: nation politics. Yeah, first time politians. Yeah, we're welcome aboard.
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: All the strands happens, are they not Australians. There's a
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: way of coming in the country. You apply to come
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: to Australia. And I don't believe in mass migration. If
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: you've got too many coming in the country, that could
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: actually that's why we've got lack of housing. The infrastructure
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: can't cope with it. So you do it. You have migration,
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: would you rather than no? No, this has been going
• 27:21
  Speaker 11: on for many years. The mass migration has been for
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: many years. And when you've had you know, the last
• 27:26
  Speaker 11: few years under this government, over one half million people
• 27:28
  Speaker 11: come in the country. That's why we haven't got housing.
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: That's why I've got one hundred and thirty thousand people
• 27:33
  Speaker 11: living on the streets in this country.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: Can help me the Australia every day of the week.
• 27:40
  Speaker 11: Care's for Ken. I'm Peter, Hello, Peter, Thanks, thank you
• 27:49
  Speaker 11: very much.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: A photo for you than the photo is. You know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: you have to tell me whether you're voting for one
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: nation and why Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: So how long you've been doing the store.
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: Here, so we're just setting up today here. This is
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: a four day fast here. But for me, festival, ye,
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: this is an issue always his festival. This is a
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: cultural and food festival. But apart from that, my business.
• 28:18
  Speaker 12: I am doing it for since last one year. When
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: I landed here, I couldn't find Honestly, I couldn't find
• 28:23
  Speaker 12: a job here. To be honest, I had I have
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: pharmaceuticals background and other things. I couldn't find a job here.
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: Tough to get I started something of my own. I'm
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: good at cooking, it's passionate. Then we started up.
• 28:33
  Speaker 11: Good on you now that you're doing something.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: What is this a lady's day out?
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: Who's voting your adelaide?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Now you'ld I've got to jump in here.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: This this surprises me.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Run down Street walks with a lot of politicians over
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the years, and you're such a polarizing figure, but you're
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: treated like a rock star here.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to get a photo with you. Every and
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: most of them have got fine words to Chris.
• 29:02
  Speaker 11: They have People are screaming up.
• 29:04
  Speaker 14: All they want is hope.
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: They seem us to hope for the future, and they
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: want their country back they want to answers. Look, I'm
• 29:12
  Speaker 11: not going to give people false promises. I've stood my ground,
• 29:15
  Speaker 11: I've been consistent with my message, and I love this
• 29:18
  Speaker 11: country and the people that have come here to make
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: the new way of life here or those that have
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: been born here by the way the governments have led
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: this country. A doown the path that has destroying it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: But is this different to you?
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, South Australia is not really one nation country.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Is this surprising how much truction you're getting here?
• 29:33
  Speaker 11: I've got this all over the state as I've traveled around,
• 29:36
  Speaker 11: no different, and you'll see people from all different cultural backgrounds.
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: So to say that the migrants don't support me, or
• 29:42
  Speaker 11: to call me a racist is just a word thrown
• 29:44
  Speaker 11: out there because you have a no argument with me.
• 29:47
  Speaker 11: You don't know how to debate me on the issues
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: my policies. So they throw that out and it comes
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: from a lot of the young ones as well, who've
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: been rainwashing the educational system. They have no idea what
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: they're talking about.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Corey, you must be filled with optimism by this.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It looks like you're going straight into the Upper House
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: and the South Australian Parliament come Saturday.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: What is a past mark for one nation?
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Is it you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: And your running mate into the Upper House or you
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: need to win at least one Lower House.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Seat as well.
• 30:13
  Speaker 13: Chris Rofen asked what success looks like and frankly, success
• 30:16
  Speaker 13: is a strong voice for South Australia in this South
• 30:18
  Speaker 13: Australian Parliament. I've repeatedly said if it's one person or
• 30:22
  Speaker 13: two people or five people, that means South Australian people
• 30:25
  Speaker 13: will have a very strong voice. And I can promise
• 30:27
  Speaker 13: you no one, no one will stick up for them
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: stronger than I myself or Carlos core Remember or any
• 30:32
  Speaker 13: of our team. It's your letter.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for joining.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Us, and enjoy the rest of your time in Salvice
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Tradian Port and enjoying Saturday night.
• 30:39
  Speaker 11: I've been warmly received by the people, and I'm actually
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: going to go.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: And say.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I won't hold you back to the country excited for
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you on Saturday, Thank you, thank you, and on and
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: on she went, this was pretty extraordinary stuff. You saw
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: for yourself how popular handsOn is. Just at the moment
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you that she was so popular
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that our crew wanted us selfie afterwards. Here it is
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Cameronon Grant initiated this picture.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And you don't get.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Media crews asking for that sort of thing too often,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: believe me. Let me share you another share with you,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: another PostScript here, and I think this is quite incredible.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: After we'd finished filming, I joined Paulin and Corey for
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a coffee without the cameras, and soon enough, say socialist
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: protesters tracked us down. They might even have been paid agitators,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a claim that they refused to deny when we put
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it to them. Anyway, their behavior was pretty rude and aggressive.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And here's what I shot on my phone from inside
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the cafe. Okay, that's pretty intimidating and unnecessary.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Handsome is used to it.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: But look what happens when we made sure that Pauline
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: could get out safely into a taxi, even with all
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the chanting and nastiness going on around her. Some supporters,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: at least three of them, came up to the taxi
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: to offer their support to Hanson, Benardi and One Nation. Yeah,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: even the feral protesters couldn't stop the One Nation supporters.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: I've got a feeling Saturday is going to mark a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: new chapter for One Nation with huge ramifications nationally.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Now, don't go away.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: After the break, I'm going to cross to Esther Kraker
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: in the UK and get the latest on the war
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East and Donald Trump's spat with Keir Starmer.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Let's cross live to London and catch up with Esther Krakhu,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: writer and broadcaster. Good to talk to you again, Esther,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I've got to get your thoughts again on Donald Trump's
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: relation ship with Keirs stam around. And he's not going
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: to leave the British PM alone, is he?
• 33:07
  Speaker 15: Yeah, definitely not. And unfortunately, Donald Trump is the kind
• 33:11
  Speaker 15: of person that you always know what he's thinking, no
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: matter what, no matter how appropriate or inappropriate it is. Look,
• 33:16
  Speaker 15: two things can be true at the same time. On
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: the one hand, Donald Trump and the way that he's
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: spoken about allies, particularly Britain's contribution to previous conflicts, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: you know, the contribution of our armed forces to previous
• 33:27
  Speaker 15: conflicts has been really kind of left people very salty
• 33:31
  Speaker 15: because it's been very undignified in the way that he's
• 33:33
  Speaker 15: sort of diminished the contribution of Britain's armed forces to
• 33:38
  Speaker 15: conflicts that we have fought together. And if you have allies,
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: you have to treat them as allies and not beerate them,
• 33:44
  Speaker 15: especially in public, in the way that he has. But
• 33:46
  Speaker 15: on the other hand, it's very clear that a defunct
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: Iran makes the entire world safer. It is very possible
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: that you'd have a situation six months from now where
• 33:56
  Speaker 15: the Iranian regime is more manageable by the West, they
• 34:01
  Speaker 15: reduce their their funding of terrorism around the world, which
• 34:05
  Speaker 15: is you know, a problem for the UK as well.
• 34:07
  Speaker 15: Our domestic terrorism situation is such that by far the
• 34:11
  Speaker 15: biggest domestic terror threat that we face, and this is
• 34:13
  Speaker 15: according to our National Security Service, is islam as terrorism
• 34:16
  Speaker 15: and we know that Iran is the number one funder
• 34:18
  Speaker 15: of that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: So there is a situation.
• 34:20
  Speaker 15: Where our possibility where, following the US is and Israel's
• 34:25
  Speaker 15: actions in in Iran, that the entire world, including the UK,
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: is safer because of a weakened Iran. And what is
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: Kistama going to say, then he's refused to help, and
• 34:36
  Speaker 15: yet he's benefit he would have he would have benefited
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: from the actions of the US and Israel. So it's
• 34:40
  Speaker 15: a very complicated situation. But clearly Donald Trump is not
• 34:44
  Speaker 15: happy with the fact that many NATO allies, including the UK,
• 34:47
  Speaker 15: have not been very helpful in this in this incursion
• 34:50
  Speaker 15: into Iran.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on the complications of this
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: because I genuinely support Tramp's actions. I think he's doing
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: what the Western world is needed to be done for
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: so long. It's too dangerous to let this go unchecked.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But he needed more support from NATO countries and from
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the UK and from Australia.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: He hasn't got it. But this is not the way
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: to respond.
• 35:13
  Speaker 10: Well, he hasn't been supportive and I think it's a
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: big mistake.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm disappointed with I like him. I think
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: he's a nice man, but I'm disappointed. You ever see
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that man right there?
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: You know who that is Winter, the late Great Winston Churchill.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: You know, unfortunately Cure is not Winston Churchill.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, So, as our former Prime Minister John Howard pointed
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: out last week, is there Trump is no FDR.
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: Yes he's not. This is the thing, if you're going
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: to make historical comparisons, you might forefile to some yourself.
• 35:48
  Speaker 15: And look, you know, I appreciate what he's trying to say,
• 35:50
  Speaker 15: because Milissa, many people in the UK are disillusioned with
• 35:52
  Speaker 15: Kit Starmer. This is certainly now leader, let alone comparing
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: to someone of the calumber of Winston Churchill. But the
• 35:58
  Speaker 15: complicate the situation is more com then it seems. I
• 36:01
  Speaker 15: think he's making very valid points. I think many NATO
• 36:04
  Speaker 15: allies are actually using, you know, the idea of not
• 36:07
  Speaker 15: wanting to get involved in a foreign war as an
• 36:08
  Speaker 15: excuse to not get involved when the reality is their
• 36:12
  Speaker 15: own armed forces have been diminished to such an extent
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: that I don't think they could offer the kind of
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: help that the US would really want, particularly in the
• 36:19
  Speaker 15: case of the UK was basically hollowed out as armed forces.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, if the Iranian regime falls, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: let's hope it does, but if the war ends relatively
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: soon the regime falls, it's going to completely change the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: dynamic of the Middle East and global security, and allies
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: like Australia, the UK and others will be lining up
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: to try and claim some credit and climb on board
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: with Trump. So yeah, I agree, I agree with him
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on substance, but he's he's got to treat his allies
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: with more respect as well as admonish them when they
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: don't come through. I want to get to you on
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: energy esther because we follow this debate so closely in
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Australia because we've made such a mess of our own
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: electricity grid here by pursuing net zero, and there are
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: reports out now that the UK is facing even higher
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: electricity prices in the coming year or so.
• 37:15
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean so. One of the big you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 15: topics of conversation is that our lack of energy storage.
• 37:20
  Speaker 15: Would you believe that the UK has two days worth
• 37:22
  Speaker 15: of gas storage in case, you know, we face the
• 37:26
  Speaker 15: gas shortage, and look, we get most of our natural
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: gas from Norway in the US, so unless we suddenly
• 37:32
  Speaker 15: get declare war in those countries, in real terms, there's
• 37:35
  Speaker 15: no way we would actually have a due supply. The
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: question is global gas prices because when you do have
• 37:40
  Speaker 15: other suppliers that are taking off the table, for example,
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: because of you know, actions by Iran, let's say Katar
• 37:45
  Speaker 15: for example, which is one of the biggest suppliers of
• 37:47
  Speaker 15: natural gas in the world, then that pushes wholesale gas
• 37:49
  Speaker 15: prices up globally, which affects our situation. And because we
• 37:52
  Speaker 15: basically have nothing to depend on unlike the French, who
• 37:55
  Speaker 15: have nuclear energy that they invested in over decades, it
• 37:58
  Speaker 15: leaves us in a very precarious situation. The UK has
• 38:01
  Speaker 15: the highest industrial energy prices in the developed world. Basically
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: can't manufacture anything here. We have to buy all our
• 38:09
  Speaker 15: goods from overseas and that's not a way to run
• 38:11
  Speaker 15: an economy because we have no energy security and that
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: is a national security disaster. And you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Do have nuclear power of course, But isn't Key stammer
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: at least it's going to take a while, right, But
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: he's at least committing to more nuclear power.
• 38:31
  Speaker 15: Well yes, but we so. For example, one of the
• 38:34
  Speaker 15: nuclear power projects as well, see which was identified in
• 38:38
  Speaker 15: two thousand and nine, only received approval in two thousand
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: and two twenty twenty two, and has received funding just
• 38:44
  Speaker 15: a few months ago. You know, it takes forever to
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: build anything in this country because it go falls to
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: a series of consultations and height prices at height costs. Sorry,
• 38:56
  Speaker 15: and it's just completely impractical. Our government cannot set its
• 38:59
  Speaker 15: mind to do anything, just like we can't build water reservoirs.
• 39:01
  Speaker 15: We haven't built a water reservoir in this country in
• 39:03
  Speaker 15: over thirty years. It's completely ridiculous.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 39:06
  Speaker 15: Our energy storage, for example, has been privatized, so it's
• 39:10
  Speaker 15: again we're subject to private markets and whatever the world
• 39:14
  Speaker 15: price is set. And so unfortunately, even though the government
• 39:18
  Speaker 15: is trying to talk tough on energy companies ripping us off.
• 39:20
  Speaker 15: Would you believe that over fifty five percent of what
• 39:23
  Speaker 15: we pay at the pump for our fuel is taxes,
• 39:26
  Speaker 15: it's green energy subsidies, a green energy taxes and VAT.
• 39:31
  Speaker 15: It's completely impractical. You know, it's a double whammy of catastrophe.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I would say it is economic and energy self harm.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: It's such a problem. Thanks for joining us Air, I
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. We're going to get to a break. We're
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: going to have the Wednesday Wrangle afterwards with Danika and
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Justin talking about that shop job.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Is that what they call him, Carl sander Lands. Apparently
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: he's after millions of dollars.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Want to talk about the Libs in Victoria getting into
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: some social media shinanig too.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Let's get into the Wednesday Rangle. We're joined by Denika the.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Georgio Sky News host of course, and Columbus broadcaster and
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: author Justin Smith in Melbourne. Good to talk to both
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: of you from my old hometown of Adelaide. I got
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to tell you, as I showed everyone earlier in the program,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I hit Rundel Maull Today with Pauline Hanson and Cory Bernardi.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: And look, I've been as a journo chase politicians on
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: these sorts of things many times. I've been with politicians
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: when I've worked with Alexander Downer and others, and this
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: surprised me. It was pretty much universal adoration for Pauline Hanson.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: There's something going on in the electorate Deneka.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look there is.
• 40:44
  Speaker 14: But I'm not surprised by this because we've seen it
• 40:46
  Speaker 14: in the polls Crise. The polls say that she's well
• 40:49
  Speaker 14: ahead right now. And when you think about it, she's
• 40:52
  Speaker 14: talking about everything that mums and dads, families and friends
• 40:55
  Speaker 14: are having the conversations about at their dinner tables when
• 40:58
  Speaker 14: they're out with mates. They're talking about migration, they're talking
• 41:01
  Speaker 14: about people we're bringing into this country. They're talking about
• 41:03
  Speaker 14: the issues with radical Islam, and this is something or
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: these topics are Pauline Hansen's. You know, that's what she's
• 41:10
  Speaker 14: the best at speaking about. She speaks to you, you know,
• 41:13
  Speaker 14: and I think I'm not surprised. I watched you walk
• 41:16
  Speaker 14: through runder Ward. She was traded a rock star as
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: she is no matter where she goes, so I'm not surprised.
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: But I will say I think that South Australia is
• 41:24
  Speaker 14: going to be a really interesting test. Let's see just
• 41:27
  Speaker 14: how accurate the polls are. Let's see how well one
• 41:29
  Speaker 14: nation does.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to say, being here and seeing this
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: and doing that today has changed my mind a bit.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I thought, obviously there's something going on in the polls,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: but I thought the one nation vote might fail to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: match what the opinion polls are showing that as they've
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: done perhaps sometimes before, they fall substantially short of the polling.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: But I've changed my mind now justin I think there
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: is a real protest vote here. I think the key
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: issues such as immigration still resonate strongly, but also with
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: the fuel crisis and interest rates going up, people just
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: feel like governments have let them down and they want
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to stick a middle finger up to them.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Speaker 16: Well, look, first of all, I must say I thought
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: one Chris Kenny might get mobbed a little bit more
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: down more than what actually happened. But you know, look
• 42:19
  Speaker 16: I would have mobbed you man.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I five was there.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:21
  Speaker 16: Look, big parties, the big political parties, the traditional political
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: parties are incredibly good at underestimating people and pretending that
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: they are, pretending that they don't exist, and pretending that
• 42:33
  Speaker 16: they're not a problem. She certainly is going to be
• 42:35
  Speaker 16: an enormous problem for them. I just hope, and this
• 42:38
  Speaker 16: doesn't just go for One Nation and Pauline Hanson. I
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: just hope that all of the candidates are getting tested out,
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: They're answering the tough questions, you know, they're getting pushed
• 42:48
  Speaker 16: on these issues, because that's what a good campaign should
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: be about. We shouldn't just be sort of letting any
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: of the parties and including My Nation, have it all
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: her own way.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Look, look the expectations are now pretty high, Danika, and
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: I think one of the numbers. Sure, we look at
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: whether Cory gets into the Upper House, which he will,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: but whether he gets one or two running mates with him,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: whether they can pick up a Lower House seat or
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: three or four. That's all very interesting for South Australia.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: But for me, the key number nationally will be just
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that broad one nation vote. Is it above twenty percent?
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Is it more than the coalition? Because if that's the case,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: it tells us that the coalition is in enormous strife
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: in Queensland and regional New South Wales for starters.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a really good point.
• 43:39
  Speaker 14: And the other thing I would say, Chris is we've
• 43:41
  Speaker 14: got to also look at the upcoming Pharah by election
• 43:43
  Speaker 14: because I think we'll also get an indication there one
• 43:46
  Speaker 14: how one nation is polling, but two how whether or
• 43:49
  Speaker 14: not Angus Taylor is actually having any impact. But you're right,
• 43:53
  Speaker 14: it's got to get above that figure. Look, I will say, well,
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: give you a second. I will say. I will say
• 44:00
  Speaker 14: though that I do think that Angus Taylor is doing
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: a really good job alongside Jane Hume, and I think
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: that they are starting to have impact, and if you
• 44:07
  Speaker 14: look at some of the recent polls, it does certainly
• 44:09
  Speaker 14: suggest that they've been strong on a lot of issues.
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: But I just still think when you've got one nation
• 44:14
  Speaker 14: Pauline Hanson out there telling it like it is, even
• 44:16
  Speaker 14: on the fuel as you said, I mean, I feel
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: like the Coalition should have been strong on her, but
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: I think that Pauline Hanson has been pretty forthright about it.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't think she has the answers,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: but she's certainly tapping into people's concerns and grievances.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Fara is going to be a mess.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Independent Nats, liberals, one nation throw a net over the
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: lot of them, I suppose. But justin the key thing
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: for the Coalition federally is they've got two years to
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: deal with this. I mean, the South Australian Electorate is
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: voting as we speak, and we'll get numbers on Saturday Night,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: of course. But the good news for for Angus Taylor
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and his team is they've got many, many months to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: start dealing with all of this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they have.
• 44:56
  Speaker 16: I just don't know if they're going to do it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 16: I mean, I'm not trying to talk them down here,
• 45:00
  Speaker 16: I mean, black bub. I hope we have a good opposition.
• 45:02
  Speaker 16: Well you know, we always hope you have a good
• 45:04
  Speaker 16: government and a good opposition. It's the way things work.
• 45:06
  Speaker 16: But I haven't seen a great deal of cut through
• 45:09
  Speaker 16: coming from them. Look, I know it's hard for you know,
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: when you're yelling from the yelling from the Sidelinese in opposition,
• 45:14
  Speaker 16: it's always going to be tough. But I haven't seen
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: a great deal of cut through. And I'd really like
• 45:18
  Speaker 16: to see them take on a few of the riggod
• 45:20
  Speaker 16: things and and hit the mark a little better.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about political cut through. I've often poked fun
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: at some of the Instagram and social media antics of
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: the left and the Labor Party. Let's look at how
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the opposition leader in Victoria, Jess Wilson, is looking to
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: cut through.
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Today would have been the opening ceremony for the Commonwealth
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: Games here.
• 45:44
  Speaker 10: In Victoria, the fifteen billion dollar discus.
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: How far can.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Taxpayer money be thrown into waste and corruption?
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Hi? John, high taxes and high debt?
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Victoria clears every bar, the dead dive, the budget bombed.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: Me, Denik or I never watched the Oscars. Did this
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: little number get a nomination?
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 46:09
  Speaker 14: But hang on a second, Chris, what you forgot to
• 46:11
  Speaker 14: show in that clip was Brad Batton with his guns
• 46:14
  Speaker 14: out and his tats.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I thought that was quite a hardlight.
• 46:16
  Speaker 14: Peter Malanowska seeing your heart hour and Peter malanowskis took
• 46:19
  Speaker 14: his shirt off last year at a campaign. Look, I
• 46:22
  Speaker 14: actually think this is very very clever, and if you
• 46:24
  Speaker 14: know anything about social media, Jess Wilson got over twenty
• 46:27
  Speaker 14: thousand likes within a couple of hours.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: That is very good engagement.
• 46:31
  Speaker 14: And I think that the Liberal Party do need to
• 46:33
  Speaker 14: try and reach a younger vote, the millennials, the gen z,
• 46:36
  Speaker 14: and what a fantastic way to do that, not only
• 46:39
  Speaker 14: to highlight Labour's absolute failure when it comes to the
• 46:42
  Speaker 14: Commonwealth Games, but they're poking fun at themselves and that's
• 46:45
  Speaker 14: the good part. They're not afraid to have a bit
• 46:47
  Speaker 14: of fun. They're not afraid to have a joke. I
• 46:49
  Speaker 14: was surprised as well, Chris, how many people hated it.
• 46:52
  Speaker 14: The comments on my right, This is cringe, this is terrible.
• 46:54
  Speaker 14: I say, all the power to her. Let's try and
• 46:56
  Speaker 14: reach a younger vote.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Well, let's go to the young Justin Smith, were you convinced, mate?
• 47:04
  Speaker 16: Look, I got most of those social media posts when
• 47:07
  Speaker 16: they try to be funny from politicians always fall flat
• 47:10
  Speaker 16: on their face and they are appalling. This one wasn't.
• 47:13
  Speaker 16: I was actually kind of shocked by it because it
• 47:15
  Speaker 16: was kind of clever and good, and I did get
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: a laugh from John Persudo's custard arm throwing that discus
• 47:21
  Speaker 16: as well. I think he cleared about a meter and
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: a half. Nice work, John, but it was good. Now, look,
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: it did lift the standard because most of them are awful.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Just while we're interested in contributing to the intellectual heft
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: of the globe. We've got to have a look at
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: this video from Mega Markel and the former Prince Harry.
• 47:47
  Speaker 13: It's beautiful, so pretty impink.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: She's just so talented. She's going to get the Nobel
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Prize for flower race.
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: I mean, seriously, it's a nauseating Chris the two. It's
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: Meghan Markel and her spare handbag, Prince Harry. Well done, Meghan,
• 48:07
  Speaker 14: you did a floral arrangement.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: You're so clever. Yay go you.
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: I can't stand these two. And they're coming down under
• 48:13
  Speaker 14: of course in a couple of weeks.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: If that interests by you three have him on the show.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks, great stuff. All right, thanks for joining us, guys,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: catch you next week. Justin Smith and Denika di Giorgio.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: There just a little bit of time for some of
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: your feedback last night about the performance of premier. Peter
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: malanowskis this premiere betrayed South Australia the moment he followed
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: through with the voice says one view, he doesn't care
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: about residents. He's done nothing about ramping, absolutely nothing, And
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: David says, I live in South Australia.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And I can tell you this man is just another.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Labor leader that only cares about power and themselves. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Tracy says, good on you, Chris for giving the Premier
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: some well deserved hard questions, well some artish questions, and
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: he did it right so you.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Tomorrow night at five o'clock is Peter Quidlin.
• 49:05
  Speaker 14: M hmmmm