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Why the New Age ”Works” and Why You Should Care | with Taylor Welch · Heaven & Healing Podcast

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  Hey guys, I'm Taylor Walsh and I'm here
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  with Angela
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  >> on my podcast. Welcome.
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  >> Let's go.
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  >> Yeah, you totally know my guest. And if
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  you don't, then you live under a rock.
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  He has an awesome podcast, The Deep End.
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  He writes books. He is a worship, not
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  leader, but
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  >> a worshiper.
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  >> Worship person.
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  >> Person. Yeah.
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  >> And most recently a broadcaster
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  according to my husband. So, I'm really
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  excited for this conversation. Thank you
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  for being here. How often do you like
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  are you on this end of the
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  >> um often enough to say that that was the
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  best intro I've ever heard ever. I'm
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  comparing them to my database of not not
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  as much anymore. I used to do a lot for
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  the business stuff but now I don't
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  really
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  have time to travel and
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  >> but friends of mine I love to hang out
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  with them.
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  >> Yeah. Well, thank you again. I know cuz
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  I know you're busy. We're all busy, but
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  it I just know that this is going to
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  bless a lot of people cuz people that
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  watch my show, well, we got we have a
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  lot of like crossover. That's how I even
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  found out about you. People are like,
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  "Have you ever heard of Taylor? Well,
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  she talks about all the same stuff as
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  you." It's like your male counterpart in
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  this space. And um so a lot of
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  exnewagers
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  watch my stuff.
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  >> And that's really who I kind of want to
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  minister to today. I also was feeling as
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  I was praying into this,
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  you know, cuz the ne the ex new age
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  space kind of goes both ways where you
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  have one end where people like actually
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  get it and understand that everything
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  that's experienced on that side is
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  genuinely a counterfeit which means that
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  there is an authentic
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  >> that can be accessed righteously
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  >> through relationship with God. And then
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  you have like the opposite end, which is
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  actually what I fell into when I first
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  got saved is like, no, the Holy Spirit
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  retired in 90 AD and everything is
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  demonic. Don't touch it. So, I really
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  have a heart for those people.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> Um, and I'm guessing just like what we
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  were talking about pre-roll, you said
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  you were like kind of dabbling in both
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  kingdoms at the same time. I'm guessing
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  that kind of mindset like that
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  religiosity like pushed you to start
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  investigating the counterfeit to begin
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  with.
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  >> Yes. And being um poor
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  the mindset that like you can tell how
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  close you are to God by how little money
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  you have in your bank account.
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  >> Oh wow. Um, it's kind of just it was
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  prosperity gospel I think was starting
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  to take off if you look at like the 80s
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  and the 90s and I kind of grew up in
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  that and then the church pendulum was
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  swung a little bit and I was in coming
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  of age when it was like it's not about
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  success, it's not about um what you have
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  in this life. I think we pendulum swung
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  too hard. Similarly to how we did with
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  like um
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  when the newagers started to get steam
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  and they started to think of Jesus as
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  just the the perfect prophetic example
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  and then the doctrine of the church
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  switched to hardcore like Jesus is God.
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  Any pendulum swing in the kingdom is
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  usually demonic.
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  >> Yeah. You wrote about that in your book
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  which by the way incredible. Highly
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  recommend. Currency of heaven. Yeah. The
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  pendulum swing. Cuz I always think about
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  Proverbs. It's like don't go too far
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  left. Don't go too far right. Stay in
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  cuz turn from evil. Y
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  >> stay in the middle.
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  >> Yep.
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  >> And then you just kind of parallel that
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  to Jesus talking about the narrow road.
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  It's like the same exact It's the same
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  thing.
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  >> That's the actual narrow road.
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  >> Both sides.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Yeah. So I kind of was like, forget
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  this. I can't feed my family. So I'm
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  going to go figure out a better way.
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  >> Well, what was because you said you were
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  in like Cabala stuff. So what is that
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  for people that don't know? Bala is like
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  this ancient Jewish mysticism.
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  It's the It's the idea of um like kind
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  of like the perfect tree. There's a
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  cobalistic tree and everything is
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  >> energy and breath and
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  uh you can essentially get what you
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  want. It I think it's the most advanced
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  form of
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  energy philosophy that exists at this
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  point. Um, so dualism, hermeticism,
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  um, all of these old sciences, so to
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  speak, like astrology became astronomy
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  and, um, magic, like astral magic
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  becomes physics.
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  Um, like they all basically changed
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  1600s, 1700s. Kbala kind of took on the
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  old
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  original meaning of everything. So they
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  they still practice. Dualism comes a lot
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  from abolistic texts, hermeticism,
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  secret codes to how the world works. So
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  all cabal is just like basically like
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  the root code understanding of how
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  energy works and things get done in a
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  spiritual
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  environment.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Um but then it becomes really dangerous
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  because God becomes like inanimate kind
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  of just like this energy
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  >> like arbitrary.
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  >> Yeah. Like impersonal. It's very
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  scientific though.
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  >> So the science fact checks out. If you
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  like really study it,
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  >> this science without an author,
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  >> you get like sort of lost in
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  >> the middle. You're kind of like a
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  version of God on the earth.
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  >> So you said you were like I wasn't like
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  a witch or warlock or whatever, but I
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  still I don't know. I still categorize
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  that and you can disagree. I still
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  categorize that stuff as witchcraft just
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  because it's still like
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  manipulation.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> So you're still manipulating energy.
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  you're still manipulating creation. So
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  it is just a form of witchcraft.
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  >> Yeah. Is the same with Christian. So you
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  have Christian witches who are really
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  good at doing this. They're like but
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  they don't call themselves that. They're
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  not very overt. It's kind of just like
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  some of it is unknown. You just don't
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  know.
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  >> And witchcraft.
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  >> You started seeing results when you were
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  doing that. What What was it like just
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  like mindset stuff?
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  >> Yeah. Um when I was so 201
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  I was vocationally employed by church. I
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  was on staff as a worship leader,
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  worship pastor. And then I got into my
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  first like career outside of ministry
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  and
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  I started studying like all everything
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  that you would study to try to get your
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  performance up at work. Uh it's all
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  visualization.
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  eventually got into manifestation and
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  just kind of
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  got really good at understanding like if
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  I do this then this is what happens.
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  >> Did you know it was like
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  not in alignment with everything you
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  grew up with?
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  >> No.
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  >> Like did you didn't know it was wrong?
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  >> No. And it's a weird line too cuz
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  >> like you can you can you can see you see
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  manifestation in the Bible all the time.
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  >> Mhm. So, I think I was just kind of
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  like, well, this is what this is what
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  the Bible meant when it was talking
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  about stuff because of course, you know,
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  the Bible was written for us making
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  money in 2026.
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  >> Obviously, that's what Paul was thinking
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  about was like our vacation houses
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  today.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> Um, but it's I kind of got into all of
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  that. I was still leading worship. I was
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  still involved in church. I was still
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  sort of doing the right things. And
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  religion is what religion came up and
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  really blocked out discernment. It was
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  >> performative like performative
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  relationship but didn't really have a
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  good relationship with God.
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  >> I was more interested in how I could get
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  smarter and get what I wanted through
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  getting smart. And it didn't really
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  change until I actually like talked to
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  God one day and then it was not good.
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  What did he have to say?
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  >> Well, um, how much context, how much of
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  the story do you want?
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  >> However much you want to give, because I
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  know it's like in your book a bit, so
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  you don't want to spoil everything, but
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  >> So, I was
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  really, really, really happy. I was
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  living a life that, you know, how people
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  are like, I was at the end of my rope
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  and then I met God and
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  >> that was me. Yeah.
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  wish that that was my story, but it like
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  I actually some days still will wake up
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  and prefer
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  what I was doing. Like it's not
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  >> I I think like a lot of people feel that
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  way and don't admit it honestly.
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  >> Okay, good. Cuz sometimes I feel like
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  I'm like not a good example or role
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  model for people because following God
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  sometimes is is the best thing that you
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  could ever do, but sometimes it's the
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  hardest thing as well. So, I was I was
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  sort of like I had my goals. I had my
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  um my things that I was working towards
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  and my family started to not be what I
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  knew it should be. Um it's interesting
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  by the way how many people do God gets
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  their attention through their family.
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  Um,
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  >> I've noticed that through working with
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  people now. But my wife Lindsay, who was
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  who just like always been close to God
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  and just perfect, always like, "Here's
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  God." And she was like always praying
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  for me. And
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  >> you guys were married when this was all
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  happening.
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  >> We were married. We had um a little
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  girl, her name is Kate, and she was
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  about 3 years old at the time. And I had
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  a little bit of a wakeup call because
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  Kate was really upset with me. She
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  didn't want to talk to me. And the I was
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  prioritizing everything else except for
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  like I would I didn't want to go to
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  church. I would go to church if I was
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  rostered. But you can ask her, you ask
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  my wife. So tell you so validate this.
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  There were moments when I would not go
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  to church because I didn't want anything
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  messed up in my brain.
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  I could feel it. So when I was at
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  church, I would not care about my
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  business.
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  >> And that was clocked as a liability for
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  me. is the Holy Spirit always like
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  scrambles stuff. Sometimes you get into
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  the presence of God, you know, you don't
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  really it's really tough to be worried
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  about like your debt if you're like in
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  the presence of God on your face. So,
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  >> there were moments when I would just be
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  like, I'm not going to church because
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  they're going to mess with my brain and
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  >> I don't want to go there.
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  >> And so, we would have arguments about it
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  and everything, but it kind of came to a
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  head because she was like, "Hey, doesn't
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  want to have anything to do with you.
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  have tried and I don't feel close to you
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  and I don't really know you either. And
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  I that was that got my attention and so
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  >> um at that point once I became aware of
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  it things stopped to work for me for
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  some reason and I had to reconcile
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  um
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  I'm failing at something and once you
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  once I became aware of me failing at
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  home
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  everything sort of started to get really
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  difficult. Does that make sense?
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  >> Yeah. um like random things like
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  a swath of staff quit. I we had a big
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  project that got shut down that didn't
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  make sense. It was kind of like a little
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  bit of a cascading effect. And so we we
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  took a vacation. I told the team I was
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  going to go take a break and try to
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  figure out what was going on with my
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  business and also myself personally. So
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  I was like I may ask God for help. if I
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  may ask him because he might be able to
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  help me get things back on track cuz I
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  wanted to exit. I wanted to build these
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  businesses. That was what was on my
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  list. So, I was going to exit these
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  businesses for nine figures
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  to prove to myself that I wasn't a
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  screw-up, wasn't a failure. So, what
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  when you don't make it in like I
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  couldn't make it in ministry. And so my
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  what I found is my whole career was just
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  a proof point that I could make it in
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  something else, you know? So I'm on the
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  beach walking
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  and I haven't prayed at this point in
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  like
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  3 years
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  even though I was
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  >> like playing at worship like we know we
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  prayed before service but I was just
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  kind of like you know
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  amen. I wasn't actually like sort of
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  forgot how to pray and didn't know how
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  I'd never heard from God. So I'm on the
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  beach and I go I'm just like, "Hey God,
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  can you help me fix this? Do you have
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  any ideas?" And
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  this is the one of the only times I've
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  ever heard God speak audibly in my head.
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  And he said, "Yeah, you've got you're
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  going to give everything away."
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  And I just said, "I rebuke you, Satan.
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  That's not God. God would never ask me
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  >> to give. So I didn't know the scripture.
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  I didn't know God's personality because
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  I didn't talk with him.
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  >> This is very common when you even have
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  Christians who don't know God's
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  personality. And so they begin to label
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  the things of God as the things of the
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  enemy.
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  >> Yeah. Yeah.
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  >> They get all confused.
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  And so I was like, "There's no way. I
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  rebuke you. Shut up." And he responded.
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  He said, "There's two economies. There's
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  your economy and there's my economy and
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  you're gonna have to pick one. This is
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  like your line in the sand. And I said,
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  "Okay, my wife knows. My wife knows who
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  the devil is and she knows who God is.
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  So, I'm going to ask her and we'll use
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  my wife to fact check whether this is
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  you or not. I've never heard God before.
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  So, I have no idea what he sounds like."
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  So, I get home to the Airbnb and I I
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  say, "Lind, can I ask you a question?"
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  And she says, "Yeah." And I said, "I
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  think God might have told me to give
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  everything away." And she starts to cry.
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  And in my heart, I was like, "Praise
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  God, that wasn't God. That was the
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  devil." Because she's crying, which
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  means she obviously knows that I'm under
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  demonic attack. You know,
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  >> she's crying cuz she's like, "Oh, he
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  answered my prayers."
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  >> She says, "God told me that three weeks
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  ago." And I said, "I'm not going to tell
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  him that cuz he'll he'll shoot the
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  messenger." And I was like,
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  I don't know what to do because I made a
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  deal with God. And I sort of remembered
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  Jacob from the Bible and I remembered,
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  you know, there was a guy that like made
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  a deal with God and had to follow
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  through. And there's the verse in the
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  Bible that's like, you know,
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  don't be hasty to make a deal with God.
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  And so I was like, I'm going to get
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  screwed if I don't obey and do this. So
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  I did. I gave it all away thinking that
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  like this is going to this is going to
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  work the same way that everything else
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  in my life has worked. I'm just going to
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  miraculously bounce back. and
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  it didn't. Everything got really really
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  way worse. And that was when I um
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  decided to stop talking to God
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  after he talked to me for the first
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  time. I was like, well, I'm never doing
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  this again. So, we went through about a
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  year where I was still inside of like,
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  I'm just going to visualize my way past
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  this, but no longer it wasn't working
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  anymore. It was actually making my life
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  worse. M
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  >> and it got worse and worse and worse and
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  worse until finally I snapped. I had a
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  snap moment. And Lindsay during that
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  whole time was like believing that this
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  was the moment that I was like our
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  family was going to be restored and God
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  was going to get me back. And so she was
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  really brokenhearted that you know after
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  that moment I was like
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  God sucks. You know he asked me to do
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  something terrible. And it lasted about
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  a year until it got really bad. And
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  she's like, "Why don't you talk to God?"
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  And I was like, "Fine, I'll talk to
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  him." And so I did. And I was honest and
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  I told him that I just did not like him.
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  And I could not believe that a good
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  father would ask you to do something so
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  devastating. Uh, and then he talks to me
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  again. That was the second time I heard
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  God audibly. And it's the last time. And
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  this was 2023,
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  end of 2022.
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  And then he started to reveal everything
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  else. And he had he I walked into my
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  office and a bunch of books lit up in
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  like bright light. And he was like,
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  "Throw these away. Throw that one away.
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  Throw that one away. Throw that one
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  away." But I had never I had never heard
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  like
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  >> I've seen your some of your episodes and
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  I've seen people talk about this like,
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  "Throw them away. Throw the books away."
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  Yeah.
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  >> That wasn't even in my psychology. I
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  didn't even know that you were supposed
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  to do that.
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  >> Me either.
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  >> Um it's just when a light lights up and
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  God says throw them away. I was like
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  okay,
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  >> you know.
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  >> And there's one book that he
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  >> allowed me to keep. It didn't light up.
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  And it is actually about um Kala to the
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  Zohar and he was like keep that cuz
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  you're going to talk about it.
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  >> Yeah. You're going to like study it as a
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  reference point. So it kind of like
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  anyways there's a lot in there but um
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  then I had to reconcile
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  there is a way that works but there's a
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  I'm being it's off limits for me and I
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  had to reconcile through that and it was
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  a nightmare. That's there's actually
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  like odd similarities. Um because when I
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  first, you know, when I first got saved,
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  like I I spent not nearly as long as you
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  kind of like in both worlds, but when I
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  first called out to Jesus, he showed up
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  and just like took sadness away, took
• 17:16
  intrusive thoughts away, took all those
• 17:18
  things away, and I was like, "Oh, cool.
• 17:19
  So, he is real. That's awesome. Maybe
• 17:21
  he's not just like an ascended master.
• 17:22
  Maybe I should read the only book that I
• 17:25
  don't have on my shelf. Maybe I should
• 17:26
  look at the Bible."
• 17:27
  >> Yeah.
• 17:27
  >> So, I started reading it. And then for
• 17:29
  like 3 4 months, I just kind of added
• 17:32
  him into everything. And I'm like,
• 17:34
  >> okay, well, I can make my astrology
• 17:37
  about Jesus and about God's plan instead
• 17:38
  of my plan. And I can cater my yoga
• 17:41
  classes to God instead of just like
• 17:45
  Eastern mysticism. I can just do
• 17:47
  everything. I was still doing the same
• 17:49
  thing, just like trying to do it my way.
• 17:51
  And then I got so convicted by Isaiah 47
• 17:55
  where he's like rebuking the Babylonians
• 17:56
  for practicing astrology. And that's
• 17:58
  like when I got born again because I
• 18:00
  just I became aware that oh you're not
• 18:02
  just a savior, you are God. Like you are
• 18:05
  Lord and if I really want this, if I
• 18:08
  really want you, I have to listen.
• 18:10
  >> Yeah.
• 18:11
  >> But I was I did not want to let it go.
• 18:14
  >> It was like my life. It was my whole
• 18:16
  identity. Even like before Mike got
• 18:17
  saved, I'm like weeping and he's like,
• 18:20
  "I don't know. This is a little extreme.
• 18:21
  You're talking about yoga being
• 18:22
  demonic." I'm like, "I know it sounds
• 18:24
  crazy. Like I built my whole life on
• 18:25
  this. This isn't easy for me."
• 18:27
  >> Yeah. And then he was telling me, it's
• 18:29
  just so funny like you when you don't
• 18:31
  have any baseline for what scripture
• 18:33
  says and yet your life starts to like
• 18:36
  reflect it. Mike was like rebuking me
• 18:39
  cuz he's like, "Who are you? You don't
• 18:40
  want to listen to the same music. You
• 18:41
  don't want to watch things. You don't
• 18:42
  want to go out and drink. You don't want
• 18:43
  to do this. You don't want to do that."
• 18:45
  And I have no idea that the Bible says
• 18:47
  like you're going to completely die and
• 18:49
  like just become new and your whole life
• 18:51
  is going to be hidden in me. I didn't
• 18:52
  know that. So, he's like
• 18:55
  >> full of demons trying to tell me like
• 18:57
  I'm having an identity crisis when I was
• 18:59
  just like
• 19:00
  >> living out what Jesus said was going to
• 19:03
  happen to you.
• 19:03
  >> You were having an identity crisis.
• 19:05
  >> I was having an identity crisis, but I
• 19:06
  felt like
• 19:08
  >> amazing. Even though it was so hard to
• 19:09
  let all that stuff go, I felt better
• 19:11
  than I ever did. But
• 19:13
  >> it's just it's just wild. And then same
• 19:16
  thing with like the getting rid of
• 19:17
  everything. I didn't
• 19:19
  >> I didn't know they did that in Acts like
• 19:21
  that. They took all their witchcraft
• 19:22
  paraphernalia and burnt it. I I hadn't
• 19:24
  read that. It was just like Holy
• 19:26
  Spirit's like, "You need to take all of
• 19:28
  this. You need to smash it. You need to
• 19:29
  burn it. You need to cut it out." And so
• 19:33
  that's what I did. But it's just like
• 19:35
  wild in hindsight to see where those
• 19:38
  like little yeses lead.
• 19:40
  >> Yeah.
• 19:41
  >> In the grand scheme of things.
• 19:43
  >> Yeah. you know, and then and then I got
• 19:45
  drawn into the because I kind of had
• 19:48
  like I don't know how it was for you,
• 19:49
  but I I had
• 19:52
  literally PTSD from how deceived I was
• 19:55
  and um just kind of put blinders on to
• 19:58
  the spirit realm. And I needed that in a
• 20:01
  way. I was reflecting on this earlier
• 20:02
  when I was like thinking about talking
• 20:04
  to you. God's like, "You needed to go
• 20:07
  through that because
• 20:08
  >> it's like rehab."
• 20:09
  >> Yeah. And and it's like I needed to see
• 20:11
  and he needed to see that even if life
• 20:14
  was going to be like dry
• 20:16
  >> and like stale like that he would still
• 20:19
  be enough for me even if I never had
• 20:21
  another supernatural experience for as
• 20:23
  long as I lived.
• 20:24
  >> So he used that too. But that was like
• 20:27
  the pendulum swing for me was just
• 20:31
  you know I was scared to say the word
• 20:33
  vibration you know like that's that's
• 20:35
  how deep I was. So
• 20:37
  >> a lot of people are like that. I'm sure
• 20:39
  I'm sure you get a lot of
• 20:41
  >> ton of hate. We get a ton of hate from
• 20:44
  Christians.
• 20:45
  >> Let me clarify that.
• 20:46
  >> You get no hate from any other religion,
• 20:49
  but Christians don't like like me very
• 20:52
  much as of now.
• 20:54
  >> Yeah. Well, why like why do you think
• 20:57
  cuz I'm I'm experiencing the same thing.
• 20:59
  It's just I mean I expect the push back.
• 21:01
  I get push back from newagers, but it
• 21:03
  doesn't it doesn't strike me the way it
• 21:05
  does when it's coming from people that
• 21:07
  are claiming his name.
• 21:09
  >> Um because you expect their ignorance,
• 21:11
  you know? Yeah.
• 21:12
  >> They're just lost and deceived and in a
• 21:16
  way their ignorance is like so pure,
• 21:18
  >> if that makes sense.
• 21:20
  >> Um cuz they just want to pursue
• 21:21
  everything.
• 21:23
  >> New age, you mean?
• 21:24
  >> Yeah. They want to pursue everything
• 21:26
  just through like love and like the
• 21:28
  highest good and like it,
• 21:30
  >> you know, they can be nasty too, but
• 21:31
  it's not the same caliber of like
• 21:36
  vitrial that I get from Christians for
• 21:38
  they're like, "You're still a witch cuz
• 21:40
  you know, you talk about XYZ." And I'm
• 21:42
  like, "No, no. It's just like I see that
• 21:45
  everything I was doing,
• 21:48
  you know, yeah, I was accessing it
• 21:50
  illegally and absent of atonement, but
• 21:54
  it's like I was just accessing God's
• 21:57
  design.
• 21:59
  That's it.
• 22:00
  >> What you're talking about is a
• 22:01
  certification in the spirit. God
• 22:03
  certifies you. You're not like Jesus
• 22:05
  until your own people turn against you.
• 22:07
  And so, it has to be those people. And
• 22:10
  that's sort of the way that it's been.
• 22:12
  That's the way that it's worked since
• 22:13
  the beginning of of time.
• 22:15
  >> It's crazy.
• 22:15
  >> Paul was raised to talk to the Jewish
• 22:18
  elite.
• 22:19
  >> God says, "Go after the Gentiles."
• 22:21
  >> Peter did not like the Jewish elite.
• 22:23
  >> God said, "You're going to talk to the
• 22:24
  Jews."
• 22:25
  >> Jonah hated Nineveh, the Syrian Empire.
• 22:27
  And God's like, "Go." It's a very God
• 22:29
  personality thing to be like, "These
• 22:32
  people are going to not like you. Talk
• 22:33
  to them anyways."
• 22:33
  >> Yeah.
• 22:34
  >> And he does that. like he pulls us
• 22:36
  because I would be I'm in no way, shape
• 22:40
  or form equating myself to the Apostle
• 22:43
  Paul. So, everyone just shut up
• 22:45
  >> for a second.
• 22:47
  >> But
• 22:50
  I came up in the Assemblies of God. I
• 22:52
  was born in the mega church. I don't
• 22:55
  think I've ever been to a church that's
• 22:56
  not like it's dominant in some sense of
• 23:00
  the word.
• 23:02
  I like memorized the whole Torah when I
• 23:05
  was like 13.
• 23:06
  I, you know, VBS,
• 23:09
  Bible Quiz, Royal Rangers, remember
• 23:12
  this? Like Royal Rangers back in the AG.
• 23:14
  I mean, every every spiritual program my
• 23:17
  parents could put me through, they put
• 23:19
  me through it. And so I came out of
• 23:20
  this. And then I think I just was like,
• 23:23
  none of this works.
• 23:25
  >> So I left. Mh.
• 23:26
  >> And then when we started the deep end,
• 23:29
  it was like poking my eyes out and like
• 23:31
  cutting my limbs off cuz I was like,
• 23:33
  there's one group of people I'm not
• 23:35
  going to speak to. Who is that?
• 23:37
  Christians. I'm not going to talk to
• 23:39
  them. And then you look
• 23:42
  like all I'm talking to. And I think
• 23:45
  that that's such a godlike
• 23:47
  personality thing to do because that's
• 23:50
  what honestly teaches us the the empathy
• 23:54
  required from like you know the church
• 23:56
  is legitimate and we're getting close to
• 23:58
  the end times. Not by what she stands
• 24:00
  against, but when the church prays for
• 24:02
  her enemies more than she talks about
• 24:04
  them on social media, then you know
• 24:05
  you're dealing with like
• 24:07
  >> the end times church. So the spirit and
• 24:09
  the bride say come. They don't say like
• 24:10
  everything's illegal.
• 24:12
  This is a very different mindset. And so
• 24:15
  I didn't know how to do that. How do you
• 24:17
  speak in front of people that you I'll
• 24:19
  never forget I was God asked me to go
• 24:20
  speak at an event in Tampa
• 24:22
  and
• 24:24
  I said no cuz that's always my first
• 24:26
  response is it's pretty much always my
• 24:28
  first response is no.
• 24:30
  >> Yeah. Me too. Mike has to talk me into
• 24:31
  everything.
• 24:32
  >> Yeah. It's like people were like well do
• 24:34
  you not rever the Lord? I was like no I
• 24:35
  do. But you know that parable where
• 24:36
  Jesus is like a father asked the son to
• 24:38
  go do something and he said yes and
• 24:40
  didn't do it. You know, like the
• 24:41
  American Christians
• 24:44
  >> that are like, "I would die for the
• 24:45
  Lord." Man, you can't give up Cheetos
• 24:47
  for the Lord. I can't do anything. Like,
• 24:49
  >> and then the second son who says, "No,
• 24:51
  I'm not going to do it." And then he
• 24:52
  does it.
• 24:53
  >> Yeah.
• 24:53
  >> When I read that, I was like, "I'm going
• 24:54
  to heaven." I thought I was going to
• 24:56
  hell, but I'm I think Jesus is saying I
• 24:58
  can go to heaven. So, he tells me to go
• 24:59
  to Tampa. I'm like, "No." And Ellis was
• 25:02
  like, "Okay." I was like, "Wait, okay,
• 25:05
  I'll go." What? The moment that the Lord
• 25:07
  accepts
• 25:09
  your
• 25:11
  humanity
• 25:13
  >> and it becomes less about following
• 25:14
  rules and more about like
• 25:18
  he'll actually let me disobey here. You
• 25:20
  you then you're like then then you're
• 25:22
  kind of like I'm no what am I going to
• 25:23
  miss out on? It's an invitation. It's
• 25:25
  not a most of it's not a command. It's
• 25:27
  an invitation.
• 25:28
  >> Yeah.
• 25:28
  >> And so I was like okay I'll go do it.
• 25:30
  And I'm praying about what to talk to
• 25:31
  these people about not hearing anything
• 25:34
  at all, which I'm sure never happens to
• 25:35
  you. But for us normal mortals, it
• 25:39
  happens where we just can't hear God. So
• 25:41
  I'm pacing around my room and I'm like,
• 25:46
  you told me to come here. I have nothing
• 25:48
  to say and I'm going to look like the
• 25:50
  biggest idiot on stage doing nothing.
• 25:53
  The Holy Spirit says, I'm teaching you
• 25:55
  something.
• 25:56
  >> I'll never give you a message from
• 25:57
  heaven for people that you hate. That's
• 25:59
  crazy.
• 25:59
  >> I don't hate these people. Yes, you do.
• 26:02
  Look in your heart. You hate them.
• 26:04
  >> God, I repent. I'm sorry. I love them.
• 26:06
  Even though they're Christians, I love
• 26:08
  them. Which is just because of what I
• 26:10
  know about Christians. It reflects
• 26:12
  nothing on Jesus.
• 26:13
  >> Yeah.
• 26:14
  >> It's just like I know these people. And
• 26:16
  then it was like then he gave it to me.
• 26:17
  So he had to take me through the same
• 26:19
  train. You can see it on our show. The
• 26:21
  beginning I'm like die hard. Like if
• 26:22
  you're a Christian, you're an idiot. You
• 26:23
  know, like just very vocal about my
• 26:25
  wounding
• 26:27
  >> from that season. Yeah.
• 26:28
  >> And then it started to become like
• 26:32
  >> they don't know what they don't know.
• 26:33
  Like it's Jesus going forgive them too
• 26:35
  because they have no idea what they're
• 26:37
  doing. And that's tough to get to.
• 26:40
  Usually gets there through persecution.
• 26:42
  And there's no other road through that
• 26:45
  or rejection. Rejection will take you to
• 26:47
  the same place.
• 26:47
  >> Oh yeah. It's like a huge season of
• 26:49
  pruning for me right now with that.
• 26:50
  >> Great. That means like on the other side
• 26:52
  you're going to like
• 26:53
  >> love it.
• 26:54
  >> Like love it. Thanks for pressing me.
• 26:55
  That's how the oil comes. If everyone
• 26:57
  loves you, you're just not a real
• 26:59
  prophet. You're not a real apostle.
• 27:00
  You're not a real You're not real.
• 27:02
  >> If everyone loves you, because we don't
• 27:03
  have any text, we have no text
• 27:05
  >> where people were beloved.
• 27:07
  >> Yeah.
• 27:07
  >> By everyone.
• 27:08
  >> You know what's funny? When I first got
• 27:10
  saved though, and it's it's crazy. And
• 27:12
  it's it's more prominent now as like
• 27:16
  things slowly,
• 27:18
  you know, escalate. But when I first got
• 27:21
  saved and my testimony, like kind of
• 27:24
  just went viral on its own, and then I
• 27:26
  started coming out and talking about new
• 27:28
  age and whatever and how everything's
• 27:30
  demonic and you know, the sort of thing.
• 27:32
  Um, everyone did love me. They're like,
• 27:35
  "This is an amazing story. This is a
• 27:36
  great testimony." And then like a year
• 27:38
  later after I got baptized and I was
• 27:39
  like, "Hey guys, the gifts of the Holy
• 27:41
  Spirit are real and deliverance is
• 27:43
  real." And and then it was like, "Oh,
• 27:46
  she's a f she's a wolf after all." those
• 27:48
  charismatics.
• 27:49
  >> Yeah. So, that's like when the shift
• 27:51
  started.
• 27:52
  >> Yeah.
• 27:53
  >> And um that that was interesting to
• 27:56
  observe because I was like, "Oh, wow."
• 27:58
  Like, yeah, they did the same thing to
• 27:59
  Jesus. They He's casting out demons and
• 28:02
  they're like, "You're a demon." Like,
• 28:05
  it's it's just crazy to see that.
• 28:07
  >> Same with Paul.
• 28:08
  >> Yeah. Peter when Paul is in um I think
• 28:12
  it's Acts 12 and um Bar Jesus
• 28:17
  uh Elmus
• 28:19
  >> Yeah.
• 28:19
  >> was there.
• 28:20
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 28:20
  >> And it's like here's okay here's how the
• 28:22
  apostles dealt with it cuz you know
• 28:24
  we're we're so disconnected from like
• 28:28
  actual power,
• 28:29
  >> right?
• 28:30
  >> No one has power anymore,
• 28:31
  >> right? that we forgot that sometimes the
• 28:35
  way that you deal with this is going to
• 28:37
  get you may have to cut this because
• 28:39
  this might get get us in trouble, but
• 28:41
  sometimes the way that you deal with
• 28:44
  a person who has opened themselves up to
• 28:45
  the demonic who is still affiliated with
• 28:49
  Jesus, this is Bar Jesus, son of Jesus.
• 28:53
  >> And Paul says, "You're not a son of
• 28:55
  Jesus. You're a son of Satan. So, you're
• 28:56
  going to go blind." He goes blind.
• 28:58
  Everyone gets saved. It's just like,
• 29:01
  >> well,
• 29:01
  >> what do we do with these texts?
• 29:03
  >> Yeah.
• 29:03
  >> You know, like that doesn't seem People
• 29:06
  are like, well, that's not really
• 29:08
  kingdom. You know, he didn't pray for
• 29:09
  them. He prayed for everyone until they
• 29:12
  began to get in the way of other people
• 29:13
  seeing Jesus. And then he was like,
• 29:15
  you're not going to talk and you're not
• 29:16
  going to see.
• 29:17
  >> And sometimes that's like necessary. Not
• 29:21
  that we should I'm not going out cursing
• 29:22
  people that you're not going to see. But
• 29:24
  um there have been times when it's when
• 29:26
  that has happened with like in my the
• 29:28
  last three years that has happened.
• 29:30
  People
• 29:31
  are not how they should be and miracles
• 29:35
  where it's like you know body like their
• 29:38
  body's on fire. They have to leave
• 29:40
  different things and I'm like oh Holy
• 29:41
  Spirit still does stuff. He's still like
• 29:43
  strategically moving the board.
• 29:46
  And sometimes the you can see a person's
• 29:50
  like proximity to Jesus in the spirit
• 29:52
  >> just by what the demons do when they're
• 29:54
  around.
• 29:55
  >> Right.
• 29:56
  >> And you probably
• 29:57
  >> where it's like I don't see any demons
• 30:01
  freaking out about this person. So I
• 30:03
  don't know if they
• 30:05
  >> I don't know if they are close to
• 30:07
  >> like a threat. Yeah.
• 30:08
  >> Yeah. They're not like they're not
• 30:09
  worried about that person, which is why
• 30:10
  there's you'll never There are more
• 30:12
  demons and deliverance ministries in
• 30:14
  churches than anywhere else in the
• 30:15
  world. They're not in the clubs. They
• 30:17
  are, but they're at church.
• 30:19
  >> Yeah,
• 30:19
  >> they're more they're at church more than
• 30:21
  they're at the clubs on Saturday night.
• 30:23
  >> That's a massive problem. Like that if
• 30:26
  they're more comfortable at church than
• 30:27
  they are at the Planned Parenthood
• 30:30
  clinics,
• 30:32
  what have we done?
• 30:33
  >> Yeah. So, that's what I wanted to talk
• 30:35
  to you about because that's not my
• 30:36
  story. Like I didn't grow up in a mega
• 30:38
  church. I had like when I say very loose
• 30:41
  guys of Catholicism, I mean like super
• 30:45
  Easter
• 30:46
  Sunday school, you know.
• 30:49
  >> I never heard Jesus died for my sins. I
• 30:51
  just saw him on a crucifix and it scared
• 30:52
  me kind of thing. Like
• 30:54
  >> so I didn't know anything about the
• 30:56
  Bible. I didn't know anything about him.
• 30:58
  >> I didn't stray from the faith. I didn't
• 31:01
  do both things. I just went to the only
• 31:04
  place where I saw anything happening. I
• 31:07
  would have never thought in 10 million
• 31:10
  years like you want a spiritual
• 31:12
  experience,
• 31:14
  walk into a church, you know?
• 31:16
  >> Yeah.
• 31:16
  >> So, I just went where culture, you know.
• 31:19
  >> Mhm.
• 31:20
  >> Tells you is is available and is going
• 31:23
  to help you like attain your higher. So,
• 31:25
  like how does that happen? How do you
• 31:27
  grow up in a church
• 31:29
  and then you end up dabbling in the
• 31:31
  Cabala stuff? Like how did we get here?
• 31:36
  Like
• 31:38
  like how do you how do you grow up in
• 31:39
  church and you never see like God moving
• 31:41
  and you never you never hear people talk
• 31:43
  like that? I think two two reasons. The
• 31:47
  first is that when you do grow up in it,
• 31:52
  but you don't have any other grid or
• 31:56
  anything else, like I think you can
• 31:57
  become familiar
• 31:59
  >> and I think it can just become cuz I did
• 32:01
  see God like what I would say is like
• 32:03
  God's presence, you know, like when you
• 32:07
  have 100,000 people worshiping
• 32:10
  in a field outside, you're going to
• 32:14
  >> there's something there, right? you you
• 32:15
  so I but I grew up in that so it it was
• 32:18
  sort of just like this is just the
• 32:21
  Christian faith.
• 32:22
  >> Okay.
• 32:23
  >> Um
• 32:24
  and the problem that happened with me
• 32:28
  and many others is the church refuses to
• 32:30
  talk about things that are relevant. So
• 32:32
  they're not talking about Cabala.
• 32:34
  They're not.
• 32:35
  >> Most churches are not. Some of them are,
• 32:38
  you know, we can think of people right
• 32:41
  now that are pastors that are talking
• 32:42
  about this. And I pray for those people
• 32:46
  cuz they're getting they're getting beat
• 32:49
  up by the world and cannibalized by the
• 32:50
  church at the same time. Like it's
• 32:52
  they're in the middle. But I never heard
• 32:55
  new age talked about one time from a
• 32:58
  pulpit like from the church. I never
• 33:01
  heard about um no one told me about
• 33:04
  Baal.
• 33:07
  No one told me about Moolik.
• 33:10
  >> Crazy.
• 33:11
  >> No one told me about like there are many
• 33:15
  counterfeit gods. We all I heard was the
• 33:18
  kind of templated
• 33:20
  you know Christian message which is
• 33:23
  basically just
• 33:26
  obey,
• 33:28
  read your Bible, tithe.
• 33:30
  and
• 33:31
  >> and you're no good.
• 33:32
  >> Yeah. You're not God really really
• 33:34
  wanted to kill you, but he killed Jesus
• 33:36
  instead.
• 33:38
  >> So, which is a really that's a great
• 33:39
  father, you know, like how do you know
• 33:41
  you're dealing with a good father? Cuz
• 33:43
  he kills one of his kids so he doesn't
• 33:44
  have to kill the other one. It's we it's
• 33:46
  a weird
• 33:48
  awkward thing, especially in our culture
• 33:50
  cuz we're like we all have daddy issues
• 33:52
  anyways and now we have more of them,
• 33:54
  >> right?
• 33:55
  >> And so it never it just didn't click for
• 33:57
  me. And when that is the scenario,
• 34:00
  that's the culture where no one will
• 34:02
  talk about anything
• 34:04
  unless
• 34:05
  it's a threat.
• 34:07
  So we'll talk about Islam,
• 34:09
  >> right?
• 34:10
  >> We'll talk about homosexuality.
• 34:12
  >> Yeah.
• 34:14
  >> But we're united based on what we can
• 34:16
  all agree like, are you against this?
• 34:17
  Are you against this? Are you against
• 34:19
  this? Okay, then I'll talk about it.
• 34:22
  >> That's that's dude, that is like you see
• 34:25
  Satan as a master strategist.
• 34:28
  in culture and he's just like, "How do
• 34:31
  we subtly take the fear of man and put
• 34:34
  it in the mouths of the prophets and the
• 34:36
  pastors so that everyone underneath them
• 34:39
  doesn't know they're lacking the
• 34:41
  knowledge of
• 34:43
  what God says about things?" So, it
• 34:45
  didn't even radar to me as a risk cuz I
• 34:48
  never heard about it. Like, no one had
• 34:49
  ever taught me.
• 34:51
  >> Um, so I was like, "That's crazy. Okay.
• 34:53
  New age is just a
• 34:55
  >> it's a civilizational technology
• 34:58
  similar to how Christianity is a
• 35:01
  civilizational technology and these two
• 35:04
  things can go together but anytime any
• 35:07
  any religion that exists right now is a
• 35:12
  piece
• 35:14
  first Corinthians say is like in him all
• 35:17
  things are made and through him all
• 35:18
  things are held together. So you have
• 35:20
  this massive being. This is Jesus.
• 35:23
  He's so big that the molecular
• 35:27
  concentration of everything is held
• 35:28
  together through him. It's not just like
• 35:32
  Jesus came and died for our sins. That's
• 35:34
  part of the gospel message, but the
• 35:36
  macro message is
• 35:39
  the way that light is coming through the
• 35:42
  optical nerve is powered by Jesus. If
• 35:46
  Jesus goes away, everything ceases to
• 35:49
  exist.
• 35:50
  When it's that big, you understand how
• 35:52
  new age
• 35:54
  >> and you understand how Buddhism comes
• 35:55
  out and you understand because all
• 35:57
  they've done is they've taken slivers of
• 35:59
  something that is real
• 36:00
  >> and they've fractionalized it out and
• 36:03
  worshiped that.
• 36:04
  >> Yeah.
• 36:04
  >> And this is every religion on earth.
• 36:06
  >> Yeah.
• 36:07
  >> And so, but but if it's a sliver of the
• 36:11
  real thing,
• 36:12
  that doesn't necessarily mean that it is
• 36:14
  wrong. It means it's lacking. It's
• 36:16
  incomplete. It is that bottle of water.
• 36:21
  It's water, but there's 0.1% of poison
• 36:24
  in it.
• 36:26
  We won't be able to see that if we're
• 36:28
  not taught how to how to look at it
• 36:30
  correctly. And so, I think Christians
• 36:33
  because we become we're taught
• 36:34
  performative gospel. We're taught that
• 36:37
  you have to do certain things to to kind
• 36:41
  of be a good Christian. We put like a
• 36:43
  library card on faith.
• 36:46
  What that does is it it sort of teaches
• 36:49
  us that as long as we're not just
• 36:52
  extreme, we're sort of okay. So, you
• 36:55
  know, don't commit adultery.
• 36:57
  You'll be fine. Don't,
• 37:01
  you know, kill somebody and you'll be
• 37:03
  fine. Don't do these things. But then
• 37:04
  Jesus is like, totally not that message.
• 37:07
  What are we reading? We're not reading
• 37:08
  the Bible at all. Jesus is like,
• 37:10
  "Actually, this person did commit
• 37:12
  adultery, and here's my message. I don't
• 37:16
  condemn you."
• 37:17
  >> And then this person didn't commit
• 37:19
  adultery, but you looked at another
• 37:21
  person, and I'm telling you that if you
• 37:22
  even look at another person, so where's
• 37:24
  his grid coming from?
• 37:26
  It is not performative at all. If we
• 37:29
  think that if we think that that
• 37:32
  theology and salvation and walking with
• 37:34
  God is
• 37:36
  about our behavior,
• 37:39
  we get the whole gospel wrong because
• 37:41
  Jesus never went after morality. Not
• 37:43
  once. You don't find him going after
• 37:44
  morality one time. You see him
• 37:46
  reorganizing the chart. So morality is a
• 37:49
  byproduct.
• 37:51
  The church teaches morality as the very
• 37:52
  front gate,
• 37:54
  >> but Jesus is the only gate that there
• 37:56
  is. And then out of the byproduct of
• 37:59
  that,
• 38:00
  you have an ethical floor. You have a
• 38:02
  moral standard. You have a treat your
• 38:05
  neighbor as yourself. You have a love
• 38:07
  God and love other. You have all of
• 38:09
  these things that are super downstream.
• 38:12
  And what happens if you pursue something
• 38:13
  that was always designed to be a
• 38:14
  byproduct as the cause?
• 38:17
  You lose.
• 38:19
  So I I think the question was like, how
• 38:21
  does this happen? How do you walk? I'm a
• 38:23
  special kind of stubborn first of all.
• 38:25
  That's how how it happens. partially is
• 38:27
  because I wanted my way. But the other
• 38:29
  way is like no one no one ever told me.
• 38:33
  So I don't know. I think that's part of
• 38:36
  why we exist is to help show people like
• 38:40
  if you just get to Jesus, if you can
• 38:42
  just get to Jesus, that's all of our
• 38:44
  rooms. We that's all we're he was there
• 38:46
  last week. All we care about if I can
• 38:47
  get someone to Jesus.
• 38:49
  You remember the story about the people
• 38:51
  who are just cutting a hole in the roof?
• 38:54
  >> Yeah.
• 38:55
  That's that's our job.
• 38:57
  >> Yeah.
• 38:58
  >> We just get him to Jesus and then
• 39:00
  whatever
• 39:02
  happens happens. I get in trouble all
• 39:03
  the time because I'm like I don't I'm
• 39:05
  not an evangelist. I don't care that
• 39:07
  much about whether somebody
• 39:10
  says the prayer or whether they do or
• 39:12
  whether they don't. I'm happy with it.
• 39:14
  Like I love that people when people meet
• 39:16
  the Lord. But I have maintained this
• 39:19
  belief since since I heard from God the
• 39:22
  first time. If God's big enough to break
• 39:25
  through me and talk to me, right? He's
• 39:27
  got to be big enough to break through
• 39:28
  them and talk to them. And my wife
• 39:30
  wouldn't have been able to get me. And
• 39:31
  >> my pastors wouldn't have been able to
• 39:33
  get me. So my only job is to like get
• 39:35
  people to talk to Jesus. And if they can
• 39:36
  talk to Jesus, he will probably I think
• 39:38
  he's smart enough to figure them out.
• 39:41
  And no intellectual argument is
• 39:44
  necessary on Lions.
• 39:45
  >> Yeah. They all want him.
• 39:47
  >> Every single person wants to talk to
• 39:48
  Jesus. they they just they just don't
• 39:51
  know it cuz it is like I I try and say
• 39:54
  that all the time that you have like
• 39:57
  you it's cuz I don't want to gaslight
• 40:00
  people you know I think that a lot of
• 40:03
  exnewagers especially
• 40:05
  kind of start just and I did it too like
• 40:08
  I said just start hammering in on like
• 40:11
  the demonic the demonic what you're
• 40:12
  doing is demonic um but I try and like
• 40:15
  approach it from I'm not going to
• 40:17
  gaslight you and say your experience
• 40:19
  isn't real cuz I know it is cuz I had it
• 40:21
  too. And that the things you're doing
• 40:22
  aren't working cuz I know they are
• 40:24
  because they worked for me too.
• 40:26
  >> Yeah.
• 40:26
  >> And that you know everything that you
• 40:28
  believe is just a complete farce because
• 40:30
  it's not. It's just the problem is you
• 40:32
  have a bunch of lowercase T truths but
• 40:34
  you're missing the capital T who is by
• 40:39
  name and by function Jesus Christ. Like
• 40:41
  you're just you're missing him as the
• 40:44
  foundation. like you're you're tapped
• 40:46
  into all his systems, but you are absent
• 40:50
  of relationship with him and you don't
• 40:52
  have his spirit. So, you're accessing
• 40:55
  his creation unrighteously and
• 40:58
  illegally. And yeah, there's going to be
• 40:59
  a consequence for that. But the reason
• 41:01
  you're into it at all is because you
• 41:04
  crave him.
• 41:06
  >> You you want to know him. That's
• 41:08
  >> yeah,
• 41:08
  >> that's the
• 41:10
  human condition is that we all want to
• 41:12
  be reconciled back to our creator as his
• 41:15
  creation.
• 41:16
  >> We want we want a deity of some sort.
• 41:19
  >> Yeah,
• 41:19
  >> we that's why we're pursuing it through
• 41:22
  psychedelics. But here's the question.
• 41:24
  Here's the question for you. Will God
• 41:26
  use new age to bring people to Jesus?
• 41:28
  >> I think so. I think he'll use anything.
• 41:30
  >> Will he use
• 41:33
  Islam to bring people to Jesus?
• 41:34
  >> Yeah.
• 41:35
  >> Could he use Buddhism? I think you could
• 41:37
  use anything
• 41:38
  >> anything. So
• 41:39
  >> we the and what is while it's true. So
• 41:42
  there are things that are very demonic.
• 41:44
  You guys watch sports
• 41:46
  >> or like soccer.
• 41:48
  >> Let's say soccer. Let's look at soccer.
• 41:50
  Okay, here's how you play soccer. You
• 41:52
  kick the ball into the other net.
• 41:54
  >> That's basically the the game of soccer.
• 41:56
  My daughter's getting into soccer right
• 41:57
  now, so I'm having to learn the rules.
• 41:59
  Imagine playing against a team
• 42:02
  that every time you kick it into their
• 42:04
  net and score a point,
• 42:07
  the point goes to the other team
• 42:10
  and then every time their team kicks it
• 42:12
  into your net, they get to keep the
• 42:13
  point.
• 42:14
  >> Would you play that game?
• 42:15
  >> No.
• 42:15
  >> Why?
• 42:16
  >> Not fair.
• 42:18
  >> You're going to lose.
• 42:19
  >> Yeah.
• 42:19
  >> This is the This is the game that Satan
• 42:21
  has been forced to play.
• 42:24
  >> Wow.
• 42:25
  >> He can't think big enough. This is why
• 42:27
  Romans 8 says what it says. All things
• 42:30
  work together. No one can compete with
• 42:32
  that. So you see throughout history, see
• 42:35
  Satan playing this game.
• 42:38
  We found the son of God. We're going to
• 42:40
  kill him. Not realizing that that is
• 42:44
  literally what created
• 42:47
  salvation.
• 42:48
  >> Right?
• 42:48
  >> You see him doing this with Paul.
• 42:52
  We're going to arrest him. not realizing
• 42:54
  that that gets him access to the
• 42:56
  governor, then everyone gets saved.
• 42:59
  >> So, he's he's tearing his hair out like
• 43:01
  proverbally, if you can picture it.
• 43:02
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:03
  >> Where he's just like,
• 43:04
  >> I have to run my play, but I'm being
• 43:08
  commandeered
• 43:09
  >> behind.
• 43:10
  >> Every time I kick the every time I kick
• 43:11
  a winning goal, he gets the point for
• 43:13
  it.
• 43:14
  >> That's good.
• 43:14
  >> This is the game that he's playing. And
• 43:17
  which is why if we understand this,
• 43:20
  we'll tell the truth, but we'll chill
• 43:21
  out a little bit on the results and the
• 43:22
  outcomes. There's a story in the Bible
• 43:24
  where Jesus is telling the the parable
• 43:26
  of the guy who plants the fields and
• 43:28
  then the people come back and they're
• 43:30
  like, "Hey, there's weeds in this. Was
• 43:33
  the seed not good?" And the master is
• 43:35
  like, "Oh, an enemy must have done
• 43:37
  this." You're like, "Well, should we rip
• 43:38
  it out?" What does he say? No. Cuz
• 43:42
  you'll kill the seed. You'll kill the
• 43:43
  plant as well.
• 43:44
  >> Let it grow together and then when the
• 43:47
  harvest comes, then we'll separate
• 43:49
  separate it out. And I see God doing
• 43:51
  this in people's lives all the time.
• 43:53
  It's not actually my job to be like,
• 43:57
  "Did you know that everything you've
• 43:59
  ever believed in your whole life is a
• 44:00
  lie and you're going to hell and you're
• 44:01
  going to burn for millennia?
• 44:04
  That's the good news of the gospel is
• 44:05
  that you're going to die." No, that's
• 44:08
  not the good news of the gospel. The
• 44:09
  good news of the gospel is that despite
• 44:12
  everything you've ever done and
• 44:14
  everything you've ever tried to do to
• 44:15
  rectify it and reconcile it, you
• 44:16
  actually don't have to pay for it
• 44:17
  anymore. That's the good news,
• 44:19
  >> right? And so I see people like this all
• 44:22
  the time where it's like, man, if I
• 44:23
  wouldn't have gone through what I went
• 44:24
  through,
• 44:26
  >> I wouldn't have what I what God gave me.
• 44:28
  >> Yeah.
• 44:28
  >> And I think that that is like the
• 44:30
  coolest one of the coolest parts about
• 44:32
  God.
• 44:32
  >> It also is terrifying to fight with God
• 44:35
  because
• 44:36
  >> every time you score a point, you're
• 44:37
  going to lose the he's going to get the
• 44:39
  point. So we might as well just get on
• 44:41
  his
• 44:42
  >> bandwagon. And that's why we have to
• 44:45
  preach the gospel the way Jesus preached
• 44:46
  the gospel. Parables.
• 44:49
  >> Parables. And what is it that
• 44:53
  it wasn't the intellect of Jesus that
• 44:56
  draws people to repentance? It's not the
• 44:58
  >> kindness.
• 44:58
  >> It's the kindness of Jesus. That that
• 45:00
  was what worked. Zakius is like, "What
• 45:04
  are you doing here? Why are you here?
• 45:06
  I'm a bad person." Jesus is like, "Yeah,
• 45:08
  let's party at your house tonight. We're
• 45:10
  going to go to Zakius's house." The
• 45:12
  woman who he didn't condemn. The Peter
• 45:16
  the worst
• 45:18
  I relate with Peter so much. Peter and
• 45:21
  Thomas.
• 45:22
  It's Thomas
• 45:25
  never knows what's going on ever and he
• 45:29
  always thinks that he's being tricked.
• 45:31
  And Peter thinks he knows what's going
• 45:32
  on all the time
• 45:34
  >> and is putting his foot in his mouth.
• 45:35
  >> Wow.
• 45:36
  >> So you got these two guys. I'm like I
• 45:37
  relate with both of them. But Jesus is
• 45:39
  not like
• 45:42
  he's he's not talking to Peter after he
• 45:43
  denies Jesus and and saying like did you
• 45:46
  learn your lesson?
• 45:49
  >> Why are you asking me?
• 45:51
  >> Yeah.
• 45:52
  >> Um
• 45:55
  when he denies him three times
• 45:59
  cuz he's not. This is an identity thing.
• 46:03
  Thinks he has to earn it.
• 46:06
  He thinks he blew it shot and Jesus is
• 46:07
  there to prove to him that he did it,
• 46:09
  >> right?
• 46:10
  >> I think that if that's part of our job
• 46:13
  is
• 46:14
  we did it like Jesus,
• 46:17
  I think things would work a lot better.
• 46:19
  I Yeah, cuz you know the devil will use
• 46:21
  anything like your personality and like
• 46:24
  your trauma and
• 46:27
  you know it's been like a long undoing
• 46:30
  for me too with that of the the shame
• 46:34
  and like the the sorrow that I
• 46:37
  experienced from like how many people I
• 46:39
  led astray in that world of like the way
• 46:41
  that projects through my own wound of
• 46:43
  like the urgency to tell everybody how
• 46:47
  wrong it is. And I see in hindsight
• 46:49
  because I'm writing my book. I'm writing
• 46:50
  like my memoir. And so I'm just like
• 46:52
  reflecting on like when I how I handled
• 46:55
  it with my friends, like my new age
• 46:57
  friends when I first got saved. And I I
• 46:59
  didn't
• 47:01
  I severed our connection by accident
• 47:03
  because I just like came out swinging. I
• 47:05
  didn't have the same patience and
• 47:07
  kindness and grace where the Lord
• 47:09
  literally meant me.
• 47:10
  >> I was like, "Guys, no, this is all evil
• 47:12
  and demonic." And they're like, "What is
• 47:13
  wrong with you? Get away." You know?
• 47:15
  >> Yeah. Um, so there's like so many things
• 47:17
  that I would have done differently with
• 47:18
  them. There's so many things I would do
• 47:20
  differently in hindsight. Like when I
• 47:22
  started just everything online and
• 47:26
  I mean the kindness of God continues to
• 47:28
  astound me every day of how he obviously
• 47:31
  knows that like
• 47:32
  >> he's nothing's a surprise to him. Like
• 47:35
  he knows exactly where you're at and
• 47:37
  he's going to work with you where you're
• 47:38
  at, but then he's going to discipline
• 47:39
  you where you're at, too.
• 47:41
  >> Yeah. How did you get to a point where
• 47:42
  like you started to recognize cuz
• 47:45
  everything in your book which was great
• 47:47
  by the way I like couldn't put it down
• 47:49
  cuz I am fascinated with um there's
• 47:52
  another kindness of God I'm fascinated
• 47:55
  with how everything like I was saying
• 47:57
  earlier that I was like tapped into or
• 47:59
  whatever the
• 48:01
  mind renewal I wouldn't have called it
• 48:03
  that then um manifestation how whatever
• 48:07
  you want to frame that as in the
• 48:08
  biblical context reaping And like all
• 48:11
  these principles that I was accessing,
• 48:16
  God has been kind to show me like you
• 48:18
  weren't crazy. You were just
• 48:20
  not atoned. You weren't in me. You
• 48:23
  weren't born again. So it was not the
• 48:26
  correct way. But how did you get to a
• 48:28
  point where you realize like, oh,
• 48:30
  everything that I was, you know, like
• 48:31
  all the Cabala stuff is just like the
• 48:33
  ripoff of what the Bible says. How did
• 48:37
  you start to like reconcile that?
• 48:40
  um
• 48:42
  in 2023 I was still sort of so it was
• 48:45
  the beginning of 2023
• 48:47
  when
• 48:49
  he told me to throw some stuff away and
• 48:52
  then to be honest it was a long it was
• 48:55
  like a sort of a slow slog
• 48:58
  uphill.
• 49:00
  Um it's not that I was immediately like
• 49:03
  oh I have awareness of this like
• 49:05
  >> okay
• 49:06
  >> this is God gave me a vision and it it
• 49:09
  wasn't like that. Um when I started
• 49:13
  studying
• 49:14
  what I really wanted to study is power
• 49:17
  because I had purchased power and I
• 49:19
  didn't know how I got it.
• 49:21
  >> So I had to figure out
• 49:23
  >> how did I get it? Am I just a good
• 49:24
  communicator? Is that what it was? Cuz I
• 49:27
  can do that again. Um, I lost everything
• 49:30
  I had except for except for my kids and
• 49:32
  and like our cars and stuff, but we're
• 49:35
  talking like, you know, hundreds of
• 49:37
  houses and 700 staff. Like, it's not
• 49:40
  like we were running a side business. It
• 49:42
  was like I lost all of that,
• 49:43
  >> right?
• 49:44
  >> And I was sort of nursing like kind of
• 49:46
  like licking my wounds and like how do I
• 49:49
  get it back? I need to study how I got
• 49:52
  it the first time. That's how it
• 49:54
  started. So, I'm going to go back and
• 49:55
  study how I got it. And and then the but
• 49:58
  the Holy Spirit was a little bit more
• 50:00
  present
• 50:00
  >> right
• 50:01
  >> this time. And so when I went back and I
• 50:03
  started looking through like I have all
• 50:05
  these journals and
• 50:07
  I remember saying certain things
• 50:10
  declaratively
• 50:12
  declarations. What is like a
• 50:15
  affirmation? It's a declaration. Okay.
• 50:17
  So
• 50:17
  >> I started seeing these things. You the
• 50:19
  Bible says that the Lord speaks those
• 50:21
  things which are not as though they
• 50:22
  were. I started diving into
• 50:25
  um just like what does the Bible mean?
• 50:28
  Hebrew, what does the Hebrew language
• 50:30
  mean? Which is you can get crazy Hebrew
• 50:32
  roots stuff like
• 50:34
  >> you would then you're back in a new
• 50:36
  version of new age.
• 50:37
  >> Yeah.
• 50:38
  >> Hebrew roots. And
• 50:39
  >> so I think that we want to learn these
• 50:40
  things just to understand God's
• 50:42
  personality. And um I had I had had a
• 50:46
  collection of material that I had taught
• 50:52
  200 300,000 people on how to essentially
• 50:54
  how to manifest. And so I started going
• 50:57
  through this and I was like was this it?
• 50:59
  Did I manifest it? Did was it
• 51:01
  visualization? Was it in my body? Like
• 51:03
  how does it all work? And when you had
• 51:06
  when I had scripture and I had
• 51:09
  >> God talking to me, um it he didn't start
• 51:13
  telling me stuff, but I started to feel
• 51:15
  like the Bible calls the peace of the
• 51:17
  Holy Spirit. It's the umpire of the Holy
• 51:19
  Spirit. What is an umpire? An umpire
• 51:23
  just um says this is the call. Like this
• 51:27
  is safe. You're out. Safe out. So, I
• 51:31
  started noticing when I would read
• 51:33
  certain things, I would feel a little
• 51:34
  bit unsafe.
• 51:36
  >> It's the best way I can describe it in
• 51:37
  like my physiology.
• 51:40
  And God had been giving me stuff to do
• 51:43
  cuz I was suicidal as well. I had a lot
• 51:47
  of this just I it was so bad that
• 51:52
  I had sort of figured out that my family
• 51:54
  would have more money if I would just if
• 51:56
  I could figure out how to not be here
• 51:58
  anymore. And
• 52:01
  again, the only thing I knew how to do
• 52:03
  was maybe maybe ask the Lord for help
• 52:06
  and he started telling me what to do but
• 52:08
  in my thoughts. So he was teaching me
• 52:11
  how to hear him in different areas of my
• 52:14
  life. And when I would read this old
• 52:17
  stuff,
• 52:19
  me presenting
• 52:21
  teaching and my journal entries, it was
• 52:24
  almost just like I could almost look I
• 52:26
  could feel it. So like this line is
• 52:29
  safe.
• 52:31
  >> This line feels dangerous. And then I
• 52:34
  would try to figure out why. Does that
• 52:36
  make sense?
• 52:36
  >> Yeah.
• 52:37
  >> It's a really kind of a funny
• 52:38
  >> No, it's good
• 52:39
  >> process, but like why is that unsafe?
• 52:44
  >> And then we would have like I would pray
• 52:46
  about it. We would have conversations.
• 52:48
  Um
• 52:50
  and then in 2024,
• 52:53
  I was in um Sarasota, Florida.
• 52:57
  This is when it all started to like
• 52:59
  speed up. So, I went through two years
• 53:01
  of like sort of trying to figure out how
• 53:03
  to feel God and ask questions and
• 53:06
  figure out how to make sure my family
• 53:08
  could eat. And we were in Sarasota.
• 53:11
  I get on a plane. I was like, I wonder
• 53:13
  if I could figure out how to actually
• 53:14
  know that God's going to talk. Like, I
• 53:17
  got to test and see cuz all I heard him
• 53:19
  at the beach. I heard him in my sun
• 53:22
  room. I hadn't heard him since then, but
• 53:23
  I had this feeling.
• 53:26
  And so I asked God to give me a vision
• 53:28
  on the plane on the way back from
• 53:30
  Sarasota and
• 53:33
  had a a crazy open vision
• 53:36
  and things started to click in that
• 53:40
  vision. I could share the vision with
• 53:42
  you if you want, but it kind of gave me
• 53:43
  the base bedrock of
• 53:47
  what faith I'm curious is.
• 53:48
  >> Yeah, I'm curious.
• 53:49
  >> Um, okay. So, I was in the airport and I
• 53:54
  texted my wife. Our plane got delayed
• 53:56
  and I was like, I don't know if when I'm
• 53:59
  going to be home, but we had plans that
• 54:01
  night. So, I was like, keep me posted
• 54:03
  and pray about it and let me know what
• 54:05
  God says. Cuz my secret to hear from God
• 54:07
  if I couldn't hear him was to ask my
• 54:09
  wife. So, I just say, "Pray about this.
• 54:11
  Tell me what God says." It's a major
• 54:13
  secret, by the way. If you do know
• 54:14
  people who can hear from God, just like
• 54:16
  I call it, I'm really good at
• 54:17
  outsourcing. just outsource your prayer
• 54:20
  time. Get a bunch of people praying for
• 54:22
  stuff. That's what I was doing. So, I I
• 54:25
  was like not really still I wasn't
• 54:27
  taking it seriously.
• 54:29
  >> And she was like, "Okay, I'll pray about
• 54:30
  it." She's like, "Okay, well, I didn't
• 54:32
  hear anything. That's odd." And she was
• 54:33
  like, "Well, maybe God wants to talk to
• 54:34
  me." So, I asked him some questions and
• 54:37
  I was like, "Will you talk to me on the
• 54:38
  plane?" And um some of this is in the
• 54:41
  book, some of it's not. We're in the
• 54:42
  plane. sit down. Plane takes off. We're
• 54:45
  in the air and I open up my iPad to pull
• 54:48
  up a book to read and I'm suddenly not
• 54:51
  in the plane. I am in a very crowded
• 54:54
  place. Maybe New York City. You know how
• 54:57
  Time Square is like just like
• 54:59
  >> ants everywhere. It's just people.
• 55:02
  >> And I was viewing these people from high
• 55:04
  up. Don't know where I was. And everyone
• 55:08
  had these floating orbs floating around
• 55:12
  their head.
• 55:14
  And in the vision, I could hear God
• 55:17
  perfectly
• 55:19
  >> like he was sitting right next to me.
• 55:21
  The Holy Spirit said, "Those are
• 55:23
  answered prayers.
• 55:25
  I love to answer prayer.
• 55:27
  >> Every time somebody prays for something,
• 55:30
  I love to answer it." It's actually the
• 55:32
  first time I now know that I was The
• 55:34
  Holy Spirit sounds a little bit
• 55:36
  different to me than God does. And this
• 55:39
  is like dangerous theological territory,
• 55:42
  but if you've ever had a conversation
• 55:45
  with Jesus,
• 55:48
  >> you know immediately that you're talking
• 55:50
  to God, but it's a slightly different
• 55:52
  version of personality,
• 55:54
  >> right?
• 55:54
  >> This is Yeah.
• 55:55
  >> First time I'd ever heard the Holy
• 55:56
  Spirit. And he's giddy.
• 55:58
  >> He's like, I love to answer prayer. I
• 56:01
  love I love answering prayer. Let's go
• 56:04
  look. I was zoomed in and all of these
• 56:07
  orbs around their head are actually lock
• 56:08
  boxes. So, you know the lock box like on
• 56:11
  the front of a property that's like
• 56:12
  being for sales? There's like a little
• 56:15
  >> It wasn't It wasn't keyholes. It wasn't
• 56:17
  pins for numbers. It was a keyhole on
• 56:18
  the front. And some of them had like 30
• 56:20
  lock boxes spinning around their heads.
• 56:22
  And some of them had three and some of
• 56:24
  them had 10. And it was just all
• 56:26
  different. The Holy Spirit says, "I
• 56:29
  really I really get sad when people ask
• 56:32
  for something and I answer them and they
• 56:35
  don't know that I answered it."
• 56:36
  >> Wow.
• 56:37
  >> And I don't know what to say cuz I'm
• 56:39
  just sort of like seeing so much data at
• 56:42
  the same time. Holy Spirit said, "Let's
• 56:45
  go look at this one." And it zoomed in
• 56:48
  standing behind this person.
• 56:51
  Zooms around and it's me. I have a bunch
• 56:54
  of lock boxes around my head, but I have
• 56:55
  one in particular. that I have in my
• 56:58
  hand. I have this key
• 57:01
  trying to get the key. I'm getting
• 57:03
  visibly frustrated
• 57:05
  and the Holy Spirit is like, "What does
• 57:07
  the key say? Hold the key up and it's
• 57:10
  bent in half. I don't A bent key is not
• 57:14
  going to go in." So, I'm getting
• 57:15
  frustrated. I'm trying to get it to go
• 57:16
  in. On the side of the key is plan B.
• 57:22
  And the Holy Spirit said, "You can't
• 57:25
  open the answer to your prayer because
• 57:28
  you don't believe that I've answered it,
• 57:30
  and you're making a plan B in case I
• 57:32
  don't come back from the vision." Like,
• 57:36
  I don't know what the heck that means,
• 57:39
  but I'm going to figure it out. So, I
• 57:41
  write it down. This is one of the This
• 57:43
  is the first vision. I have a big
• 57:44
  journal of visions that I've had, and
• 57:46
  every time the go every time God speaks
• 57:47
  to me, I write it down. And I think that
• 57:49
  it's just like the best practice that
• 57:50
  you can do because sometimes they'll
• 57:52
  talk to you about the future and you
• 57:53
  don't have any idea what it means till
• 57:54
  you get there. So I get back I start
• 57:56
  praying about this. What does this mean?
• 57:58
  You know, like tell me about the secret.
• 58:00
  And he started talking to me about
• 58:02
  intention
• 58:04
  and faith. And he said, you have a lot
• 58:07
  of faith.
• 58:10
  >> Like I don't have any faith. I'm
• 58:12
  terrified. I am anxious. I am I'm
• 58:14
  worried that I'm going to lose
• 58:15
  everything because my experience the
• 58:17
  last two years is following you gets you
• 58:19
  in freaking trouble.
• 58:22
  This is my relationship at the time. I
• 58:23
  was like, I don't trust you. And he
• 58:26
  said, I know that's why you have plan B
• 58:27
  on your key. You have a lot of faith.
• 58:29
  You have a lot more faith in what
• 58:31
  Satan's telling you than what I'm
• 58:32
  telling you.
• 58:33
  >> Well,
• 58:35
  >> and I was like, that's not true. But I
• 58:38
  knew it was true because the Holy Spirit
• 58:40
  doesn't just speak to your mind. and he
• 58:42
  just goes straight to your
• 58:43
  >> Yeah.
• 58:43
  >> into your gut, your core. And so I could
• 58:45
  tell I was like, "This is fact check
• 58:48
  true."
• 58:48
  >> Usually what you don't want to hear.
• 58:49
  >> Yeah. But I'm pissed that it's true.
• 58:51
  >> Yeah.
• 58:52
  >> And I was like, "Well, help me help me
• 58:56
  figure it out." And he was like, "Do you
• 58:58
  want help?"
• 59:00
  And there's so many certifications in
• 59:01
  this. Like you see Jesus being like, "Do
• 59:03
  you want to be well?"
• 59:04
  >> Mhm.
• 59:05
  >> Do you want to be well? Do you want
• 59:07
  help? It's like, "Yes, yes,
• 59:09
  >> I want I want help. help me with this.
• 59:12
  And he said, "You have come into
• 59:14
  agreement with so many lies."
• 59:16
  >> Yeah.
• 59:17
  >> And many Christians believe in the worst
• 59:21
  case scenarios. They believe that I'm
• 59:23
  not going to come through for them. They
• 59:25
  have so much faith in the enemy that
• 59:26
  they have no faith left over for me. And
• 59:29
  you have to switch this around. So I
• 59:32
  asked for another vision and didn't get
• 59:33
  one. But that was enough to kick me down
• 59:35
  this track of like, "Okay, wait. I think
• 59:38
  I'm on to something because I remember
• 59:40
  studying intention
• 59:42
  >> and manifestation
• 59:44
  >> what is manifestation is something that
• 59:46
  you see you create in your mind you
• 59:49
  encode it with belief in intention so
• 59:52
  much so that you can see it
• 59:54
  >> right
• 59:54
  >> and then it starts to sort of like you
• 59:56
  know
• 59:57
  >> materialize
• 59:58
  >> the outside things so I was like okay I
• 1:00:00
  think I've studied this in a different
• 1:00:02
  place I think I've studied it from new
• 1:00:04
  age and I think what he's telling me is
• 1:00:08
  that I'm now like manifesting the the
• 1:00:12
  wrong I'm still manifesting
• 1:00:15
  >> but the wrong things. And so God is
• 1:00:17
  actually at odds with me
• 1:00:21
  >> because he's saying this is what I want
• 1:00:22
  to do and I'm saying this is what's
• 1:00:23
  going to happen and we're sort of at a
• 1:00:26
  >> at a crossroads
• 1:00:28
  and that started making me study
• 1:00:31
  really old like Adam and Eve and Satan.
• 1:00:36
  How did Satan get here? What What
• 1:00:38
  happened? Where who is the serpent?
• 1:00:40
  Where did the serpent come from? How did
• 1:00:42
  Eve fall? Why did she fall? Because Eve
• 1:00:47
  fell not because she was incompetent.
• 1:00:49
  And not even because the serpent was
• 1:00:50
  that good of a liar. She fell because
• 1:00:52
  she started to negotiate with something
• 1:00:54
  that changed the way she viewed God. The
• 1:00:56
  whole fall of humanity is I see God
• 1:00:59
  differently than the way God said he
• 1:01:00
  was.
• 1:01:02
  This is the the new Genesis. She says
• 1:01:03
  she saw the tree. She wanted to be like
• 1:01:05
  God and she believed that God was
• 1:01:07
  holding on her. And so that's where like
• 1:01:08
  you see faith twisted for the first time
• 1:01:12
  >> and it's just multiplied. So Cain and
• 1:01:14
  Abel is another one. We have a it's not
• 1:01:17
  just a story. It's a system. There was a
• 1:01:20
  system that was created. What was the
• 1:01:22
  system for? It was not the the enemy the
• 1:01:26
  the is like a lion that likes to steal,
• 1:01:27
  kill, and destroy. But more than
• 1:01:29
  anything else, he loves he loves it when
• 1:01:31
  you steal from yourself. You kill
• 1:01:33
  yourself and you destroy yourself.
• 1:01:36
  That's his actual game.
• 1:01:37
  >> So we don't have the we don't have Satan
• 1:01:39
  like sitting out here being like gonna
• 1:01:42
  kill that person. Nowhere in history do
• 1:01:44
  we see Satan being able to do that
• 1:01:46
  >> right
• 1:01:46
  >> with a person. But we have a lot of
• 1:01:48
  times in history where something gets
• 1:01:50
  into a person's mind. It doesn't delete
• 1:01:52
  their faith. It corrupts their faith
• 1:01:55
  >> and they destroy themselves. This became
• 1:01:57
  the bedrock of like everything I would
• 1:02:00
  start to learn. And that got me into
• 1:02:04
  some hot water because I was like all of
• 1:02:07
  new age is real.
• 1:02:09
  Now what do we do with this? And that's
• 1:02:11
  what led to like the sliver of divinity.
• 1:02:13
  You take a piece of God, you worship it,
• 1:02:15
  now you have an idol. That idol will
• 1:02:16
  create an altar. That altar will create
• 1:02:18
  a religion
• 1:02:20
  >> every single time. And so how do we
• 1:02:22
  restore? Because a lot of Christians are
• 1:02:24
  like, "I'm not going to touch it. Not
• 1:02:27
  going to touch it because it's demonic."
• 1:02:30
  But yet, you get into a vehicle every
• 1:02:32
  day and there are vehicles in the world
• 1:02:34
  that have been used for demonic
• 1:02:35
  purposes.
• 1:02:37
  That doesn't mean that the vehicle is
• 1:02:38
  demonic. There's a us there's a user
• 1:02:42
  issue to the mechanism.
• 1:02:45
  And it's quite normal for God to give
• 1:02:47
  people rehab periods. Why? I'm very
• 1:02:50
  honest with people. like, "Hey, we're
• 1:02:51
  going to talk about some new age stuff."
• 1:02:53
  If you've recently gotten free,
• 1:02:56
  >> you're an alcoholic. Don't go to a bar.
• 1:02:59
  Take a minute, rehab. Just so people
• 1:03:03
  would have given me all the red flags.
• 1:03:05
  >> You would have been like, "This dude's
• 1:03:06
  avoid market avoid avoid.
• 1:03:08
  >> He's a universalist." I'm like, "No,
• 1:03:11
  >> nope. I'm not." But it's it's it can be
• 1:03:14
  a really tempting thing. And so,
• 1:03:16
  >> yeah,
• 1:03:16
  >> now I think that's how it happened at
• 1:03:19
  first. It only makes sense like looking
• 1:03:22
  backwards. And faith and fear are the
• 1:03:25
  same exact things. There is no
• 1:03:27
  difference.
• 1:03:28
  >> Yeah. I recently Yep.
• 1:03:30
  >> Yeah. You're not afraid of anything that
• 1:03:31
  you don't think is going to happen. Um
• 1:03:34
  nothing. So it's air time. What we have
• 1:03:37
  with our brains is like the enemy has
• 1:03:38
  studied human nature so well. He studied
• 1:03:40
  neurochemicals so well. He knows
• 1:03:41
  physiology. He knows bloodlines. He
• 1:03:44
  knows the seed. This is the rah. He
• 1:03:45
  knows the beet. He does the Hebrew word
• 1:03:48
  for the house. He knows your house. Who
• 1:03:52
  are you being born into? Because there's
• 1:03:53
  a there's a continuation effect through
• 1:03:57
  generations. He knows the narratives
• 1:03:59
  that you're most suggestible to. He like
• 1:04:01
  when the enemy comes after someone,
• 1:04:04
  >> he does an extreme amount of due
• 1:04:05
  diligence. He's not just like, "Let's
• 1:04:08
  just throw random stuff at her.
• 1:04:10
  >> Like, let's go back 700 years."
• 1:04:12
  >> Do you believe, this is kind of like
• 1:04:14
  off, but I'm just curious what you
• 1:04:15
  think. Do you believe that like the
• 1:04:18
  enemy knows who you will be or do you
• 1:04:22
  think he's just working with like best
• 1:04:24
  record?
• 1:04:25
  >> Great question. Um I So I can answer
• 1:04:29
  that with pretty solid like I've seen
• 1:04:31
  it. He does not know who you're going to
• 1:04:33
  be, but he has the most sophisticated
• 1:04:36
  data collection system
• 1:04:38
  >> outside of God. Because you look at how
• 1:04:41
  many demons walk the earth and familiar
• 1:04:43
  spirits walk the earth and like there's
• 1:04:45
  a government inside of the kingdom of
• 1:04:47
  darkness.
• 1:04:48
  So
• 1:04:50
  he has access to the information like
• 1:04:52
  think about a government when a
• 1:04:54
  government wants to go into another
• 1:04:55
  territory. We already know like we know
• 1:04:58
  who's in charge, what's going to
• 1:05:00
  compromise them. We just like know how
• 1:05:01
  to blackmail them. We know how to do
• 1:05:03
  everything. He's the same way. So he I
• 1:05:05
  think he has a better understanding of
• 1:05:06
  who you're going to turn into than you
• 1:05:08
  do.
• 1:05:10
  But I don't think he can see the future.
• 1:05:12
  And if he could see the future,
• 1:05:14
  it just means he's really stupid. And I
• 1:05:16
  don't believe he's stupid.
• 1:05:18
  >> So
• 1:05:19
  >> that means he can't see the future.
• 1:05:21
  >> Yeah. Cuz like I see like my life in
• 1:05:23
  hindsight. I'm like, he tried to kill me
• 1:05:25
  in the womb.
• 1:05:26
  >> He threw my mom down a flight of steps
• 1:05:27
  when she was 8 months pregnant. She
• 1:05:29
  broke both of her ankles. Like that was
• 1:05:30
  about me.
• 1:05:31
  >> Yeah.
• 1:05:32
  >> It was about what she was carrying.
• 1:05:33
  >> Yeah.
• 1:05:34
  >> But wow, that's really good. And okay,
• 1:05:36
  something you said like stuck out really
• 1:05:38
  stood out speaking of feeling like the
• 1:05:41
  Holy Spirit gut punch when you said that
• 1:05:45
  he basically ministered to you that
• 1:05:47
  you're still manifesting.
• 1:05:48
  >> Mhm.
• 1:05:50
  >> Cuz you're believing the wrong thing.
• 1:05:51
  >> Mhm.
• 1:05:52
  >> And I'm like, so many Christians are
• 1:05:55
  doing that
• 1:05:56
  >> inadvertently
• 1:05:58
  >> even by like rejecting the things that
• 1:06:00
  we're talking about. Not because we're
• 1:06:02
  so great, but you know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:04
  Like just denying the supernatural.
• 1:06:06
  Denying that
• 1:06:09
  everything the Bible says is actually
• 1:06:11
  real and legitimate. Like you can renew
• 1:06:13
  your mind. You will reap what you sow.
• 1:06:15
  There is death and life in the power of
• 1:06:16
  the tongue. Declarations are a thing.
• 1:06:18
  >> People are like, "No, everything you're
• 1:06:20
  saying is demonic." Like just by their
• 1:06:22
  agreement with that, they're manifesting
• 1:06:25
  >> the very thing they're denying. It's
• 1:06:27
  that's crazy. that it's it's there that
• 1:06:30
  the enemy has used a mechanism that
• 1:06:33
  can't go away,
• 1:06:34
  >> right? And that's the key
• 1:06:35
  >> to pollute everything.
• 1:06:37
  >> You don't have to you don't have to
• 1:06:39
  believe it for it to be working.
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  >> You don't. Yeah. And in fact, it's
• 1:06:42
  better if you don't. You're more
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  effective at manifestation if you don't
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  know you're doing it.
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  >> That's nice
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  >> because it requires a semblance of
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  subconscious participation.
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  So, I mean,
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  I don't know how far you want to go, but
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  like
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  >> if you're consciously
• 1:07:00
  manifesting,
• 1:07:02
  you're only getting a part of it because
• 1:07:05
  it's a subconscious reticular activating
• 1:07:08
  physiological state. Like, it's the
• 1:07:10
  things that you actually expect to
• 1:07:12
  happen. And humans expect
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  the things that are so easy to expect,
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  we don't even notice. For example,
• 1:07:22
  how how certain are you the sun will
• 1:07:25
  come up tomorrow?
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  >> Pretty certain.
• 1:07:27
  >> Probably so certain that you haven't
• 1:07:29
  thought about in a while,
• 1:07:30
  >> right?
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  >> How many times in this conversation have
• 1:07:32
  you freaked out, reminded yourself to
• 1:07:34
  breathe?
• 1:07:36
  >> Well, now I am.
• 1:07:37
  >> Yeah. This is our autonomic system,
• 1:07:42
  >> right?
• 1:07:43
  >> The things that are most certain are the
• 1:07:44
  things that get the least amount of
• 1:07:45
  conscious participation
• 1:07:47
  >> because they're certain. We don't have
• 1:07:49
  to think about them. So when we have
• 1:07:51
  somebody who's like manifestation is not
• 1:07:52
  real. Like you're a pro manifesttor.
• 1:07:55
  Like
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  >> that's crazy.
• 1:07:56
  >> You're actually so good at it that you
• 1:07:59
  don't even think that you're doing it.
• 1:08:01
  >> Wow.
• 1:08:01
  >> And but that's a problem because things
• 1:08:03
  that are buried and blinded to can
• 1:08:06
  become runners off in their own
• 1:08:08
  direction. So this cognitive behavior
• 1:08:11
  therapies, they've gotten really good at
• 1:08:12
  pulling a person's belief system out of
• 1:08:14
  their mouth.
• 1:08:16
  You can see it, reorganize it, put it
• 1:08:19
  back in the mouth. This is CBT. This is
• 1:08:22
  why therapy is the thing. You talk about
• 1:08:24
  it, you reorganize the belief system,
• 1:08:26
  you put it back in. Manifestation could
• 1:08:28
  be thought of similarly. What are you
• 1:08:30
  manifesting? Are you partnering with God
• 1:08:33
  and the things that you were speaking
• 1:08:34
  into existence? Okay, you're not. That
• 1:08:38
  means you're partnering with Satan,
• 1:08:40
  >> right? There's no like
• 1:08:41
  >> while tithing and worshiping God on
• 1:08:42
  Sunday.
• 1:08:43
  >> That's crazy. And then you're a business
• 1:08:45
  partner with Satan. Monday, Tuesday,
• 1:08:46
  Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.
• 1:08:47
  Oh, two hours we got him back in. Now
• 1:08:49
  you're partner, you're back in the
• 1:08:50
  partnership. So Satan doesn't care. He's
• 1:08:52
  like,
• 1:08:53
  >> great with it.
• 1:08:54
  >> And I think he really seriously is more
• 1:08:56
  interested in doing it like with the
• 1:09:00
  with people in the faith.
• 1:09:01
  >> Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  >> Cuz you know,
• 1:09:04
  >> something that I I I say all the time is
• 1:09:05
  that once he's you know, once he kind of
• 1:09:08
  loses your eternity, then he goes after
• 1:09:10
  your effectiveness in the kingdom.
• 1:09:12
  >> Mhm. And I think this whole conversation
• 1:09:14
  we're having is like the number one way
• 1:09:16
  he does it. He just wants he just wants
• 1:09:19
  the the the your faith. Like that's all
• 1:09:22
  he wants because then your faith is your
• 1:09:24
  allegiance.
• 1:09:25
  >> Yeah.
• 1:09:26
  >> And your allegiance is your worship
• 1:09:28
  >> and then your worship is your
• 1:09:30
  demonstration. And it's like,
• 1:09:34
  >> okay, now we just have like a powerless
• 1:09:36
  church. And and again, and then it leads
• 1:09:37
  to people like me that have
• 1:09:43
  They they you know you want something
• 1:09:45
  like the reason I got into new age was
• 1:09:46
  because I was I was heartbroken. I was I
• 1:09:49
  was absolutely heartbroken. My grandma
• 1:09:51
  died and I wanted like to feel
• 1:09:54
  something. I wanted comfort. I wanted
• 1:09:55
  relief. I didn't know that the Bible
• 1:09:58
  says that God is close to the
• 1:10:00
  brokenhearted. But he was even with me
• 1:10:03
  then. He was always working. Like he was
• 1:10:06
  always like you said, you know, the
• 1:10:08
  devil's kicking uh goals, but he was one
• 1:10:12
  step ahead. He's like, I'm going to
• 1:10:13
  rescue her from that.
• 1:10:14
  >> Mhm.
• 1:10:14
  >> I know exactly what I'm doing by letting
• 1:10:16
  her walk into that camp right now.
• 1:10:18
  >> Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  >> But
• 1:10:20
  >> and it was like it was
• 1:10:24
  perfect in the way that it happened.
• 1:10:26
  >> Yeah.
• 1:10:27
  >> So, could Peter have been Peter if he
• 1:10:29
  wouldn't have denied Jesus?
• 1:10:30
  >> Right. That's
• 1:10:31
  >> Paul wouldn't have been Paul unless he
• 1:10:32
  was killing Christians. There's no way
• 1:10:35
  like he's not Paul unless he's like
• 1:10:38
  being like yeah was the chief you know
• 1:10:41
  the chief sinner it's like just such a
• 1:10:44
  God thing. He's like yeah go after that
• 1:10:46
  person.
• 1:10:46
  >> But it's just like what would it look
• 1:10:48
  like if everyone just believed what the
• 1:10:51
  Bible says
• 1:10:52
  >> probably have heaven on earth
• 1:10:53
  >> like on earth as it is in heaven.
• 1:10:54
  >> Yeah.
• 1:10:55
  >> I even had that revelation recently cuz
• 1:10:57
  like you know in New Age you're always
• 1:10:58
  talking about
• 1:10:59
  >> as above so below. I was like oh wait
• 1:11:02
  that's the counterfeit version.
• 1:11:03
  >> Yeah. on earth as it is in heaven. Like
• 1:11:06
  he steals everything. Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  >> And we want to talk about it all the
• 1:11:09
  time. We want to talk about what a thief
• 1:11:10
  he is and
• 1:11:12
  >> and like what a pervert he is. But it's
• 1:11:14
  like then you just give him so much
• 1:11:16
  credit as being a thief that you you
• 1:11:19
  forget who he's stealing from. Like he
• 1:11:21
  has to be stealing from somebody.
• 1:11:23
  >> Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  >> He's not creating. He's just
• 1:11:25
  counterfeiting. That's all he does.
• 1:11:27
  >> Yeah.
• 1:11:28
  >> Well, then what's he counterfeiting?
• 1:11:30
  >> Hello.
• 1:11:31
  >> Mhm. I'm just I'm really grateful that
• 1:11:33
  like I got that and I didn't go so far
• 1:11:36
  down like the cessationist rabbit hole
• 1:11:38
  that I ended up one of those YouTubers.
• 1:11:41
  It's just like my entire ministry is
• 1:11:43
  calling out other people.
• 1:11:44
  >> That's crazy that you were a
• 1:11:45
  cessationist after being a new age
• 1:11:47
  though.
• 1:11:48
  >> I was scared and and I think I think I
• 1:11:52
  think that's true for a lot of people.
• 1:11:54
  There are a lot of I don't know if
• 1:11:56
  you're familiar with any of them, but
• 1:11:57
  there are a lot of like ex-Nwoagers who
• 1:11:58
  have like kind of large platforms and
• 1:12:01
  that's their whole shtick is
• 1:12:04
  um what you see in the church is still
• 1:12:07
  the condalini spirit. And it's not to
• 1:12:08
  say that that doesn't happen sometimes,
• 1:12:10
  but it's just their holy spirit's not
• 1:12:12
  moving and it's all fear, fear, fear,
• 1:12:14
  fear, fear. But you're right, like fear
• 1:12:16
  is not the absence of faith. Fear is the
• 1:12:19
  perversion of faith. So it's like you
• 1:12:21
  don't
• 1:12:25
  You're just scared. You're just scared
• 1:12:27
  and you're worshiping the devil through
• 1:12:28
  your fear.
• 1:12:29
  >> That's it.
• 1:12:30
  >> And how do you get out of that?
• 1:12:33
  >> What would you say to people? Cuz I know
• 1:12:35
  a lot I know a lot of people that watch
• 1:12:37
  my channel and probably watch your
• 1:12:39
  channel and I think that they will even
• 1:12:41
  watch for the sake of critique.
• 1:12:44
  >> Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  >> You know, but they're scared.
• 1:12:46
  >> Uh you can be offended out of it.
• 1:12:49
  >> That's good. So like, yeah, I will
• 1:12:52
  offend I'll offend anyone into being
• 1:12:55
  closer to God.
• 1:12:56
  >> Offend you into the kingdom
• 1:12:58
  >> 100%.
• 1:12:58
  >> Yeah.
• 1:12:59
  >> Yeah. You can be offended out of it. You
• 1:13:02
  can be
• 1:13:03
  >> I think this there's such a complex
• 1:13:05
  topography of human emotions though that
• 1:13:07
  it's like there's not one way to do it.
• 1:13:09
  Some people will have just like their
• 1:13:11
  own revelation while we're talking.
• 1:13:13
  >> That's why it's not my job to to do
• 1:13:15
  that. like the Holy Spirit.
• 1:13:18
  Are you awake today?
• 1:13:20
  Okay, good. I'm going to go on this
• 1:13:23
  podcast.
• 1:13:25
  Can you do the stuff that only you can
• 1:13:26
  do and I can just like talk? Okay,
• 1:13:29
  great. And then whatever comes out of my
• 1:13:31
  mouth is like take it. If it takes you a
• 1:13:34
  year to wrestle through it, then
• 1:13:36
  >> wrestle through it. I think we lose more
• 1:13:38
  people because we're desperate
• 1:13:40
  >> Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  >> than anything else. Uh but for me the
• 1:13:43
  way that it happened is I just started
• 1:13:46
  to I I really started to I was hungry
• 1:13:50
  for the first time. I wanted to know and
• 1:13:53
  I wanted to ask God. And so starting
• 1:13:55
  with just like the basics if you want
• 1:13:57
  like basics on it. Do you um how much of
• 1:14:01
  your prayer time is spent asking for
• 1:14:03
  stuff?
• 1:14:05
  Let's start there.
• 1:14:08
  If you're going to school, you're
• 1:14:10
  spending most of your time listening
• 1:14:15
  >> and you ask questions when you don't
• 1:14:16
  understand and then you do the homework.
• 1:14:17
  And so this is how God trains us, too.
• 1:14:20
  >> Um,
• 1:14:21
  so my prayer time was like completely
• 1:14:24
  just me being a beggar and asking for
• 1:14:27
  stuff. And it sort of be it came to a
• 1:14:30
  head because God stopped answering and I
• 1:14:34
  got in trouble. Oh my god. I felt the
• 1:14:36
  conviction and I also felt the voice of
• 1:14:38
  the Holy Spirit just be like, "No, I'm
• 1:14:42
  not going to. You don't need to know
• 1:14:43
  that." Um, so then I started to like sit
• 1:14:46
  with the Lord and I started to just say,
• 1:14:48
  "Anything you want to teach me, teach
• 1:14:51
  me. Anything you don't want to teach me,
• 1:14:54
  >> then I'm just going to chill with you."
• 1:14:56
  That's if if you sit in a prayer time
• 1:14:59
  for an hour and you say nothing, what
• 1:15:03
  would this be called? Meditation.
• 1:15:05
  You're meditating with You're meditating
• 1:15:08
  with God.
• 1:15:10
  You're getting into this. So, there's
• 1:15:13
  the there's this delta state. You have
• 1:15:15
  the theta state, the alpha state.
• 1:15:18
  >> Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  >> The beta state. Like, you've got all
• 1:15:20
  these different states. Until the age of
• 1:15:23
  seven, we like only live in theta.
• 1:15:27
  >> We don't go any. We're in the like not
• 1:15:30
  the bottom one, that's deep sleep, but
• 1:15:31
  the second and the third. That's the
• 1:15:35
  state that a mind is susceptible to
• 1:15:37
  programming.
• 1:15:39
  >> So once you get activated, stimulated,
• 1:15:42
  your brain's no longer observing and
• 1:15:45
  writing code. It's not changing
• 1:15:48
  anything, it doesn't do that. Because do
• 1:15:51
  you know why?
• 1:15:52
  >> No.
• 1:15:52
  >> If a bear is running at you in the
• 1:15:54
  middle of the woods or if a car is
• 1:15:55
  driving at you, you do not have time to
• 1:15:57
  fact check your code.
• 1:15:59
  >> This is God the is how God built the
• 1:16:02
  brain. This is stuff that like I'll sit
• 1:16:04
  on a rock. I'll ask Holy Spirit what he
• 1:16:06
  wants to say. He'll say,
• 1:16:08
  >> "Why is that tree dead? I don't know.
• 1:16:12
  Why is it dead?" I asked you, "What does
• 1:16:14
  it mean to be?" And I'm like, this I
• 1:16:16
  don't understand. But this is eventually
• 1:16:18
  turns into like, okay,
• 1:16:21
  do you know why your brain is not
• 1:16:22
  listening to programming right now?
• 1:16:24
  You're in a theta state. What is that?
• 1:16:26
  Or you're not in a theta state. So
• 1:16:28
  anyways, back to the point. was
• 1:16:29
  meditation when Jesus is like unless you
• 1:16:31
  become like little children.
• 1:16:34
  >> Wow.
• 1:16:35
  >> After the age of seven,
• 1:16:37
  nothing can rewrite your code unless
• 1:16:39
  you're in this state.
• 1:16:41
  >> Nothing except for trauma. And God
• 1:16:43
  doesn't traumatize you into rewriting.
• 1:16:46
  >> It's not his style.
• 1:16:47
  >> So what we have to do, it's not necess
• 1:16:50
  it's not all like you have to literally
• 1:16:52
  become a kid.
• 1:16:55
  You have to get your brain back to the
• 1:16:56
  level where it was easily programmed.
• 1:16:58
  Wow.
• 1:16:59
  >> Which is like children.
• 1:17:01
  They have easily programmed brains. So I
• 1:17:05
  would sit with God. I would say nothing
• 1:17:07
  and do nothing. I would breathe. Well,
• 1:17:10
  breathing is demonic. So how do we deal
• 1:17:12
  with that? Well, the first thing that
• 1:17:14
  God did with the man was breathe. So
• 1:17:17
  it's obviously not demonic because it's
• 1:17:20
  if God did God use demons to build Adam?
• 1:17:24
  >> No, I don't think there were any demons.
• 1:17:26
  There were no fallen angels present to
• 1:17:28
  build Adam. He they didn't help him. But
• 1:17:30
  it's the first thing that Adam did. His
• 1:17:32
  imagine your first experience with God
• 1:17:34
  is just this.
• 1:17:44
  How long did it take for him to say
• 1:17:46
  something?
• 1:17:47
  >> We don't know. But what we do know is he
• 1:17:50
  was in a parasympathetic state as soon
• 1:17:52
  as he woke up because all he's doing is
• 1:17:54
  breathing. When you're in a
• 1:17:55
  parasympathetic state, your brain is in
• 1:17:57
  a theta state.
• 1:17:59
  So it's like you got to go back to being
• 1:18:00
  that if Jesus could have a YouTube
• 1:18:03
  channel today, if Paul could have a
• 1:18:05
  YouTube channel today, they would most
• 1:18:07
  likely communicate with us this way
• 1:18:10
  because we're up Paul can't talk to them
• 1:18:12
  about neuroscience. They don't know what
• 1:18:13
  dopamine is.
• 1:18:14
  >> Right. Right. Right.
• 1:18:15
  >> But Paul's having revelations and he's
• 1:18:18
  having to cram it through like a really
• 1:18:20
  small narrow window of understanding. If
• 1:18:22
  he was alive today, I think he would be
• 1:18:24
  saying like
• 1:18:26
  that's not a demon. That's dopamine
• 1:18:27
  dysregulation. So let's talk about
• 1:18:29
  dopamine dysregulation. How does that
• 1:18:31
  happen? It's when you are addicted to
• 1:18:33
  the pleasure of the flesh.
• 1:18:35
  >> Wow.
• 1:18:35
  >> That is dopamine dysregulation. And so
• 1:18:38
  what we have to do is we have to
• 1:18:40
  discipline my body. I discipline my do
• 1:18:42
  my body daily. Why? So that my state
• 1:18:46
  will work.
• 1:18:47
  >> Which by the way self-control is a fruit
• 1:18:48
  of the spirit.
• 1:18:49
  >> 100%. 100%. So I I mean the question is
• 1:18:52
  how do I how do you deprogram this? You
• 1:18:54
  sit with God. Sometimes you sit with God
• 1:18:56
  and nothing happens. Well, what other
• 1:18:58
  examples in life do we have where
• 1:19:00
  nothing happens?
• 1:19:05
  >> I don't know.
• 1:19:06
  >> You plant a seed into the ground. Unless
• 1:19:08
  a
• 1:19:09
  >> seed falls and dies and nothing happens.
• 1:19:12
  >> You usually don't see things until
• 1:19:13
  later.
• 1:19:14
  >> You can't see it. So we we can't see
• 1:19:15
  nothing's happening in that hour. A lot
• 1:19:17
  is happening in that hour. Yeah,
• 1:19:19
  >> your whole mind is being re organized.
• 1:19:22
  And then I think also the other part for
• 1:19:24
  me was I just decided that I was tired
• 1:19:28
  of playing games with
• 1:19:32
  the devil. I was just tired of, you
• 1:19:34
  know, when you get to that point where
• 1:19:35
  you're just like
• 1:19:38
  borderline sadistic. You're just like,
• 1:19:40
  "Hit me again.
• 1:19:44
  Make the camera go off again." And guess
• 1:19:46
  what we'll do? we will waste your time.
• 1:19:48
  >> We will start over and we will It's just
• 1:19:50
  you get to this place where it's like
• 1:19:53
  anything that is around you is starting
• 1:19:55
  to be like this person is has some
• 1:19:57
  psychopathy like we don't
• 1:19:59
  >> maybe we don't want to like it's like
• 1:20:01
  Paul
• 1:20:03
  God's going to call me to this thing and
• 1:20:04
  the ship's going to almost you know it's
• 1:20:06
  going to be wrecked and I'm probably
• 1:20:07
  going to get beat up and thrown in jail.
• 1:20:09
  >> I'm doing it. Let's go. It's like that's
• 1:20:11
  not a normal person,
• 1:20:13
  >> right? And this is I kind of was like
• 1:20:15
  there I was like every time
• 1:20:17
  >> well
• 1:20:18
  >> something messes with me. Um I'm
• 1:20:22
  recommitting to go for it. I just think
• 1:20:24
  I became a costly target and I'm still
• 1:20:28
  learning that lesson because what I've
• 1:20:30
  what I learned is that you will upgrade
• 1:20:32
  from demons to principalities and from
• 1:20:34
  principalities to regional stuff. And so
• 1:20:37
  every once in a while I have to learn
• 1:20:38
  this lesson again because I'll just be
• 1:20:40
  like,
• 1:20:42
  "Oh, what the heck? I'm literally
• 1:20:44
  getting murdered out here." Like, and
• 1:20:46
  I'm like, "Okay, I think I got bumped
• 1:20:48
  up. Something else is paying attention.
• 1:20:51
  What's the secret?" Jesus. That's always
• 1:20:53
  the secret. Everything else bows down to
• 1:20:57
  Christ crucified. So now I have to
• 1:20:58
  become obsessed with Christ crucified
• 1:21:00
  again. That's what I have to meditate
• 1:21:02
  on. That's what I have to think about.
• 1:21:04
  and I'll sit and I'll just think about
• 1:21:06
  why in the freaking world did Christ
• 1:21:08
  allow himself to be crucified and I'll
• 1:21:09
  get this revelation of like and then I
• 1:21:11
  don't care anymore and I'm back in the
• 1:21:12
  game,
• 1:21:13
  >> you know? And God unlocks revelation
• 1:21:16
  based on your capacity to hold it and
• 1:21:19
  the trust he has with you to not misuse
• 1:21:22
  it. So when people are like, I don't
• 1:21:24
  have any revelation. I get revelation.
• 1:21:25
  Well, you're not maybe God doesn't trust
• 1:21:27
  you. This is the hard truth. I'm sorry.
• 1:21:29
  I'm just going to like why does my
• 1:21:31
  daughter not have the keys to my
• 1:21:32
  vehicle? M wow
• 1:21:35
  >> that's a interesting point isn't it like
• 1:21:38
  because the vehicle will work even
• 1:21:39
  though she's not competent to drive it
• 1:21:41
  and so it is with the revelation
• 1:21:43
  >> so it's a super easy to misuse
• 1:21:45
  revelation God will test you and he'll
• 1:21:48
  give you revelation and he'll then ask
• 1:21:50
  you to do something really stupid
• 1:21:53
  >> that makes no sense and then he gets to
• 1:21:54
  see like are you going are you do I
• 1:21:57
  still have your heart or did you get
• 1:21:59
  addicted to the power
• 1:22:00
  >> you know
• 1:22:01
  >> yeah and also Like, you know, cuz like
• 1:22:04
  we both have platforms. It's like you
• 1:22:06
  don't have to like prostitute everything
• 1:22:07
  he tells you immediately.
• 1:22:09
  >> No,
• 1:22:09
  >> you really shouldn't do
• 1:22:10
  >> No, you shouldn't.
• 1:22:12
  >> Most of it is for you.
• 1:22:14
  >> Yeah.
• 1:22:14
  >> I was on the phone with all my good
• 1:22:16
  friends in June of 2024. I have this
• 1:22:19
  written down. I've talked about it
• 1:22:20
  before.
• 1:22:22
  And I was so happy that God was talking
• 1:22:23
  to me. This was after the Tampa vision
• 1:22:25
  or the Sarasota vision. And so I would
• 1:22:27
  get on the phone or I would talk to
• 1:22:28
  somebody. I would just be like spirit
• 1:22:32
  do with that person and it was working.
• 1:22:33
  I would be on client calls somebody be
• 1:22:35
  like have an issue with my business and
• 1:22:39
  Holy Spirit would just say ask him about
• 1:22:40
  their lower back. Like
• 1:22:44
  is anything going on with your lower
• 1:22:45
  back? And they would start crying.
• 1:22:47
  >> Yeah.
• 1:22:48
  >> Like yes. Holy Spirit's like she hasn't
• 1:22:51
  forgiven her mother.
• 1:22:52
  >> Yeah.
• 1:22:52
  >> But her mother died to forgive her
• 1:22:54
  mother. And I'm like, "Wow, this is
• 1:22:57
  insane." And then I immediately was
• 1:23:00
  like, "I'm gonna use this.
• 1:23:03
  >> This is where like
• 1:23:04
  >> this is where you get tested."
• 1:23:06
  >> So I'm on the phone with one of my good
• 1:23:07
  friends. I've been friends with this guy
• 1:23:08
  since I was 19. He's having a tough
• 1:23:10
  time. I'm on the phone with him. It's
• 1:23:12
  late. It's like a Tuesday night after
• 1:23:13
  church.
• 1:23:15
  And I'm like, "Holy Spirit, what's going
• 1:23:18
  on with him? Let's fix it." You know, he
• 1:23:20
  said, "No, I'm not going to tell you."
• 1:23:23
  said, 'Why wouldn't you tell me? Because
• 1:23:25
  you're going to just use it to make
• 1:23:26
  yourself look good like you've been
• 1:23:27
  doing.
• 1:23:28
  >> And I'm not going to just tell you stuff
• 1:23:30
  to make yourself look good.
• 1:23:31
  >> I said, 'Well, what have I done wrong?
• 1:23:32
  You're telling me stuff that's this is a
• 1:23:35
  conversation I'm having in my head when
• 1:23:36
  I'm supposed to be listening to this
• 1:23:37
  guy. And he said, have you ever
• 1:23:39
  considered asking me whether you should
• 1:23:41
  share it?
• 1:23:43
  Like, no, that's an interesting point.
• 1:23:46
  And so now I always ask and 99% of what
• 1:23:51
  I'm told I don't it goes into a
• 1:23:55
  journalist for me and I'll pray through
• 1:23:57
  it and I'll pray for somebody else and I
• 1:23:59
  try to find confirmation cuz some of the
• 1:24:01
  stuff is like on the Bible and like how
• 1:24:03
  do you deal with that? Like
• 1:24:05
  >> so I think what you said is a massive
• 1:24:08
  point and you probably share like 5% or
• 1:24:12
  1% of what you hear.
• 1:24:13
  >> I've learned Yeah. Same with me.
• 1:24:16
  >> Another component that I'm you're not
• 1:24:18
  saying it, but I'm hearing it said in
• 1:24:21
  the way that you're speaking is that you
• 1:24:23
  have to like you have to really be
• 1:24:26
  humble
• 1:24:28
  >> like get over yourself and like what you
• 1:24:30
  think you know and how you have
• 1:24:32
  determined who God is and how he moves
• 1:24:36
  and how he doesn't move and what he
• 1:24:37
  wants and what he doesn't want. And I
• 1:24:40
  mean like that that's how I I mean
• 1:24:42
  that's how I came to Christ to begin
• 1:24:44
  with. But that's how I got over the
• 1:24:45
  cessationism thing. I was like I like
• 1:24:48
  just like threw my phone down one day. I
• 1:24:49
  was like if I'm wrong like I just if I'm
• 1:24:51
  wrong about deliverance, if I'm wrong
• 1:24:53
  about the gifts of the spirit, tell me.
• 1:24:56
  I don't want to like I don't want to do
• 1:24:57
  this thing. I don't want, you know, I
• 1:24:59
  don't want to be all like I don't want
• 1:25:00
  to boast about. I'm like crying and and
• 1:25:02
  he did.
• 1:25:03
  >> Yeah.
• 1:25:04
  >> I love you know he exalts the humble but
• 1:25:06
  it also says he resists the proud. So
• 1:25:09
  when you are so wrapped up in your ego
• 1:25:11
  and in your pride, he will literally,
• 1:25:14
  like you said, you'll be at odds with
• 1:25:16
  him. He's going to resist giving you
• 1:25:18
  revelation because you're too proud to
• 1:25:20
  receive it. And so he doesn't trust you
• 1:25:23
  with it. That that's like crazy. And
• 1:25:26
  it's because he's a good father. It's
• 1:25:27
  not because he hates you. is because he
• 1:25:30
  he actually loves you so much and he
• 1:25:32
  knows you're not you're not emotionally
• 1:25:35
  sound enough to just like receive and
• 1:25:38
  understand.
• 1:25:40
  >> You're touching on something that is
• 1:25:41
  like so good and it's even way worse
• 1:25:44
  than what you're saying.
• 1:25:47
  So, we should read this real fast if
• 1:25:49
  you're open to this.
• 1:25:50
  >> Sure.
• 1:25:51
  >> Cuz he does
• 1:25:52
  >> I don't know what I'm open to, but yeah,
• 1:25:53
  >> he does resist the proud.
• 1:25:56
  But Psalms 138:6,
• 1:25:58
  though the Lord is great, he cares for
• 1:25:59
  the humble, but he keeps his distance.
• 1:26:02
  >> That's crazy.
• 1:26:02
  >> From the So the ESV says, he sees the
• 1:26:04
  proud from afar,
• 1:26:06
  which means he won't even come near you.
• 1:26:11
  He doesn't just resist you. He's like
• 1:26:13
  scoped you out.
• 1:26:14
  >> Wow.
• 1:26:15
  >> And doesn't want anything to do with
• 1:26:17
  you.
• 1:26:17
  >> Wow. And that is a little bit more
• 1:26:19
  terrifying because it's like
• 1:26:21
  >> it's not that's why pride is difficult
• 1:26:23
  to correct because it's like the spirit
• 1:26:26
  is kind of like whoa
• 1:26:28
  don't go over there and that's horrible.
• 1:26:32
  That's like your audience will feel that
• 1:26:34
  like people people accuse me of being
• 1:26:35
  prideful and I'm like
• 1:26:38
  I'm properly terrified of like I have
• 1:26:41
  the fear of the Lord you know like like
• 1:26:44
  >> but usually what they're seeing is like
• 1:26:46
  humility is a location. And it's not a
• 1:26:47
  state.
• 1:26:48
  >> Wow.
• 1:26:48
  >> It's actually you send a a message.
• 1:26:52
  Picture sending a letter. Where are you
• 1:26:54
  sending it from? What house? What's the
• 1:26:56
  geographic territory? Humility is about
• 1:26:58
  where it's coming from, not necessarily
• 1:27:01
  the state. So you won't be able to
• 1:27:02
  necessarily see someone prideful. God
• 1:27:04
  looks at the heart. You can't. You look
• 1:27:06
  at the outside. So no one can judge
• 1:27:08
  whether someone's prideful by the words
• 1:27:10
  that they speak. It's the discernment of
• 1:27:12
  spirits that you can judge. And it's the
• 1:27:14
  Lord that can judge. What I am is like
• 1:27:18
  I really don't want to be kicked off of
• 1:27:20
  a horse by God.
• 1:27:23
  >> And most of the times if I don't say
• 1:27:24
  something that in itself is a form of
• 1:27:27
  pride
• 1:27:28
  >> because now I'm more worried about
• 1:27:29
  offending someone than I am about being
• 1:27:30
  obedient. Now I've got pride and
• 1:27:32
  >> yeah. Yeah. People say that to you're so
• 1:27:35
  proud because of my intensity.
• 1:27:37
  >> There's direct.
• 1:27:38
  >> Yeah. I'm loud and I'm Italian and like
• 1:27:40
  I just
• 1:27:41
  >> Hey, this matters. I'm going to say it.
• 1:27:43
  >> You're passionate.
• 1:27:44
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:44
  >> But what do you think about Paul when
• 1:27:45
  he's like, "Do I need to come with a
• 1:27:46
  stick?"
• 1:27:47
  >> Yeah. Right.
• 1:27:48
  >> Is he prideful?
• 1:27:49
  >> Right.
• 1:27:50
  >> No.
• 1:27:51
  >> It was crazy.
• 1:27:53
  >> What's the line like between witchcraft
• 1:27:56
  and not witchcraft? Like cuz you can be
• 1:28:01
  born again. Like we're I'm not, you
• 1:28:02
  know, I don't think either of us are
• 1:28:04
  suggesting that like the laws of the
• 1:28:06
  universe or whatever are just free reign
• 1:28:09
  just because you're born again, right?
• 1:28:11
  like you can be a Christian and
• 1:28:15
  still do things incorrectly.
• 1:28:17
  >> Mhm.
• 1:28:17
  >> So what is that line?
• 1:28:20
  >> I think that the line this is what I
• 1:28:21
  believe from conversations with the Holy
• 1:28:23
  Spirit and from
• 1:28:27
  honestly sort of like touching the stove
• 1:28:29
  a few times. M
• 1:28:32
  >> um the line is whenever you become
• 1:28:38
  your own master,
• 1:28:42
  which is what runs the occult.
• 1:28:45
  >> So if
• 1:28:46
  >> if God wants me to speak something
• 1:28:50
  into existence that does not exist,
• 1:28:54
  then I will speak it.
• 1:28:56
  And if I begin speaking things into
• 1:28:58
  existence that don't exist, that he
• 1:29:00
  doesn't want, then now I'm participating
• 1:29:04
  in a witchcraft.
• 1:29:07
  I know how to speak the right way to not
• 1:29:08
  misrepresent God.
• 1:29:10
  >> But my heart is wicked.
• 1:29:13
  So, I've gotten into those ditches
• 1:29:15
  before where theologically I could run
• 1:29:18
  with you or I could run with someone
• 1:29:20
  like I could I could point them in a
• 1:29:23
  direction that sort of justifies
• 1:29:26
  something. We're stuck with God, though,
• 1:29:29
  because like like what he was telling
• 1:29:31
  Samuel, you're looking at their height.
• 1:29:33
  You're looking at everything else, but
• 1:29:34
  I'm looking straight into their heart.
• 1:29:36
  And I have to clean my heart out daily.
• 1:29:38
  Sometimes I have to clean my heart out
• 1:29:40
  hourly. I repent for when I become
• 1:29:43
  afraid. I repent for that. Fear will
• 1:29:45
  turn into witchcraft.
• 1:29:47
  >> Yes.
• 1:29:47
  >> Um
• 1:29:49
  >> you your inability to suffer will turn
• 1:29:52
  into witchcraft. Suffering comes through
• 1:29:54
  and cleans out the the heart. Jesus knew
• 1:29:58
  how to do. What did Jesus know? Jesus
• 1:29:59
  knew how to do everything except for one
• 1:30:01
  thing.
• 1:30:02
  >> What is that?
• 1:30:03
  >> He had to learn it. Obey.
• 1:30:06
  Hebrews 5'8 says, "Those Jesus was the
• 1:30:08
  son of God, he learned obedience through
• 1:30:10
  the things he had to suffer."
• 1:30:11
  >> Wow.
• 1:30:12
  >> Which means that God
• 1:30:13
  >> Wow.
• 1:30:14
  >> God learned obedience as a man through
• 1:30:16
  suffering.
• 1:30:17
  >> Wow. Okay. That makes a lot of sense
• 1:30:19
  actually.
• 1:30:20
  >> So for me,
• 1:30:20
  >> because why would God have to learn
• 1:30:21
  obedience, right? Yeah.
• 1:30:23
  >> It's because he's now a man as of when
• 1:30:25
  he was on flesh. It's different. You you
• 1:30:27
  have a different all your cortexes are
• 1:30:30
  active. You don't have that in the
• 1:30:31
  spirit.
• 1:30:31
  >> And he did that so we could. He did that
• 1:30:33
  so that we could, but he learned it
• 1:30:36
  through suffering. Yeah. Why would
• 1:30:37
  anytime I try to skip the suffering, I'm
• 1:30:41
  probably in witchcraft somewhere.
• 1:30:44
  Because suffering is the chosen model
• 1:30:48
  that God has used since the beginning of
• 1:30:50
  time to promote individuals so that when
• 1:30:54
  we get there, we have the fear of God
• 1:30:56
  intact. We have the character of his
• 1:30:59
  partnership intact. If you skip
• 1:31:02
  suffering, you lose the fear of God or
• 1:31:04
  lose the character necessary to partner
• 1:31:06
  with God. One of those is going to go.
• 1:31:08
  >> And
• 1:31:10
  it's always a good like back check for
• 1:31:12
  me. Am I willing to suffer for
• 1:31:14
  >> for what God has wanted me to do or am I
• 1:31:17
  not? And if I'm not, I'm probably in
• 1:31:18
  witchcraft.
• 1:31:19
  >> That's key though, I think, too, because
• 1:31:20
  people hear that and they're like, "Oh,
• 1:31:22
  great. I'm such a faithful steward."
• 1:31:24
  >> But there's different kinds of
• 1:31:26
  suffering, though. And and I I think
• 1:31:28
  it's important to like draw attention to
• 1:31:29
  that because you
• 1:31:31
  >> there are Christians that just suffer
• 1:31:34
  >> for their own sake. They just suffer
• 1:31:35
  needlessly because
• 1:31:37
  >> because they don't believe what the word
• 1:31:38
  says about them. They don't know their
• 1:31:40
  identity. They don't know the power they
• 1:31:43
  have through Holy Spirit. So they just
• 1:31:45
  like
• 1:31:46
  >> suffer and suffer and then they call it
• 1:31:47
  God's will.
• 1:31:49
  >> But I think there's like a huge
• 1:31:50
  difference between like suffering for
• 1:31:51
  your sake because Jesus did that on the
• 1:31:53
  cross and then suffering for his sake
• 1:31:55
  like he said we would. Yeah.
• 1:31:56
  >> So, what you're talking about is I mean,
• 1:31:58
  you just said it. It's like suffering
• 1:32:00
  through what he's called you to do.
• 1:32:02
  >> Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  >> Like as if not my choice.
• 1:32:05
  >> As in like God would is there another
• 1:32:07
  way you could do this?
• 1:32:08
  >> Is there another cup? Yeah.
• 1:32:10
  >> Like the same that Jesus like seriously,
• 1:32:13
  I know we agreed to this
• 1:32:14
  >> like since the beginning of time, you
• 1:32:16
  know, like I know we agreed, but is
• 1:32:17
  there another way? Because now I'm in a
• 1:32:18
  body and this hits different.
• 1:32:21
  >> I would I can't wait to interview Jesus.
• 1:32:29
  I'm going to interview him in heaven
• 1:32:32
  and I have so many questions for him.
• 1:32:35
  But one of those questions is
• 1:32:38
  why did you agree to it?
• 1:32:40
  >> Cuz it wasn't a reactive move.
• 1:32:44
  This game theory, he saw it and he knew
• 1:32:48
  he knows he knew what it was going to it
• 1:32:50
  was going to hit different when he got
• 1:32:51
  here. There's something to that and it
• 1:32:53
  and it hits it hits you in the moment
• 1:32:56
  where you know that if there was any
• 1:32:57
  other way to do it, you would do it. You
• 1:32:59
  would change it. You're not choosing to
• 1:33:02
  suffer.
• 1:33:03
  >> Yeah.
• 1:33:03
  >> It's it's it's tied to obedience. And I
• 1:33:07
  I feel like I have a lot of that still.
• 1:33:09
  And I also have areas where God has not
• 1:33:12
  asked me to suffer
• 1:33:14
  and I'm willing to destroy whatever
• 1:33:17
  principality is trying to get in my way.
• 1:33:21
  And those are not the same things. This
• 1:33:23
  is just the softness of heart from being
• 1:33:25
  with Jesus and
• 1:33:26
  >> spending time. You can't get to it
• 1:33:28
  without the Holy Spirit.
• 1:33:29
  >> Yeah. Was always that's always the punch
• 1:33:31
  line. How do you how do you um what when
• 1:33:34
  you're saying like you you kind of can
• 1:33:36
  cross into the territory of witchcraft
• 1:33:38
  if you're avoiding that suffering. What
• 1:33:39
  do you like what does that look like?
• 1:33:42
  >> It can look like it can look like not
• 1:33:45
  tithing when you're supposed to. And it
• 1:33:48
  can look like tithing to buy blessing.
• 1:33:52
  >> It can look like
• 1:33:54
  >> it could look like not saying something
• 1:33:55
  that God wants you to say
• 1:33:57
  >> because you don't want to offend people.
• 1:34:00
  And it could look like saying something
• 1:34:02
  God doesn't want you to say because
• 1:34:04
  you've figured out what brings fame
• 1:34:06
  >> and clicks.
• 1:34:07
  >> It can look like the ditch on the left
• 1:34:09
  or the ditch on the right. It can be
• 1:34:11
  performative or it can be uh rebellion.
• 1:34:15
  >> Either one. I have to know what God is
• 1:34:18
  asking me to do. That that's not
• 1:34:21
  up for that's not negotiable. Like the
• 1:34:23
  idea that God only speaks through the
• 1:34:25
  Bible is like you are so dumb.
• 1:34:28
  How do you survive if you don't know
• 1:34:30
  what God's asking you to do right now?
• 1:34:33
  >> Yeah.
• 1:34:33
  >> Cuz we don't have instruction for
• 1:34:36
  um
• 1:34:39
  whether this person should be healed or
• 1:34:42
  not in the scripture. You know why? So,
• 1:34:45
  I can find stories where Jesus healed
• 1:34:46
  5,000 people, and then I can find
• 1:34:49
  stories right after that where he skips
• 1:34:50
  over a kid with cancer to heal one
• 1:34:52
  person in the pools of uh Bethesda.
• 1:34:55
  Which model do we go with?
• 1:34:58
  It's not all in like scripture is full
• 1:35:01
  of these I think I called them like um
• 1:35:04
  these paradigm tensions in the middle.
• 1:35:07
  So, sometimes I'm like hear sermons
• 1:35:10
  preached and it's like, "Yeah, you
• 1:35:12
  should do this." and they hear another
• 1:35:13
  sermon preached from the same scripture.
• 1:35:15
  You should do the opposite. And I'm
• 1:35:17
  like, what do what do we do? And Holy
• 1:35:20
  Spirit's like, hey, I'm the great
• 1:35:22
  counselor.
• 1:35:23
  >> Yeah.
• 1:35:24
  >> What if you ask me? I'll tell you. I'll
• 1:35:25
  interpret it for you. And that comes
• 1:35:28
  through like Jesus was trained in that
• 1:35:31
  through suffering. That's how he was
• 1:35:35
  trained in it. That's the only way he
• 1:35:37
  got there. So that's how I have had to
• 1:35:40
  learn because when I'm broken and God's
• 1:35:43
  on speed dial and if I can't hear him
• 1:35:46
  and I get a little bit too
• 1:35:49
  can't feel stuff my first prayer now
• 1:35:52
  this is dangerous I'm just like okay
• 1:35:54
  break my heart break my heart let's go
• 1:35:57
  >> break my heart I'd rather be broken with
• 1:35:59
  Jesus than fully put together on the
• 1:36:00
  backs of men
• 1:36:02
  >> break it let's go and then I'm always
• 1:36:06
  shocked when he breaks it cuz it hurts.
• 1:36:09
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  >> I'm like, wait,
• 1:36:12
  >> you have to break it that way.
• 1:36:13
  >> He made me really cry the other night
• 1:36:15
  cuz I I told him like, "I feel
• 1:36:17
  heartbroken right now."
• 1:36:18
  >> And he said, "Well, I'm glad because
• 1:36:20
  then your heart's not hard."
• 1:36:22
  >> Yes.
• 1:36:23
  >> I was like, And then made me cry more.
• 1:36:25
  I'm like, "Oh, you're right. Like, I'm
• 1:36:26
  not hardened.
• 1:36:27
  >> Thank God."
• 1:36:29
  >> Yes.
• 1:36:29
  >> So,
• 1:36:30
  >> well, you have to like people I think
• 1:36:32
  it's tough to get this. twice the narrow
• 1:36:34
  road because everything in culture right
• 1:36:36
  now is like here's how to build your own
• 1:36:38
  empire. Entrepreneurs, this is why I'm
• 1:36:41
  uniquely called to entrepreneurs as
• 1:36:43
  well. We've tasted the ash. If you're an
• 1:36:46
  entrepreneur, you built your own empire
• 1:36:48
  and you've tasted the dirt. Turns into
• 1:36:50
  ash.
• 1:36:51
  >> You can't eat it. It's not bread. It
• 1:36:54
  kills you.
• 1:36:58
  were better suited than anyone else be
• 1:37:00
  able to say like, "Hey, actually
• 1:37:02
  suffering's part of the game and God's
• 1:37:03
  cooler than that." And
• 1:37:04
  >> so I did. I got everything that I wanted
• 1:37:06
  and it and it actually started to kill
• 1:37:08
  me. And then I learned that there was
• 1:37:09
  another way
• 1:37:10
  >> and the things that felt like they were
• 1:37:12
  killing me were actually making me
• 1:37:14
  alive.
• 1:37:14
  >> Yeah.
• 1:37:15
  >> They were setting me on fire.
• 1:37:16
  >> Yeah.
• 1:37:17
  >> And I just learned, all right, break my
• 1:37:19
  heart. Go for it. One time I asked God
• 1:37:20
  to break my heart. If I'm talking too
• 1:37:22
  much, shut me up. But
• 1:37:24
  I was like, God, break my heart. I'm too
• 1:37:26
  hard. My My heart is My heart is too
• 1:37:29
  messed up. This was like last November
• 1:37:31
  or October.
• 1:37:33
  And he was super kind in how we did it.
• 1:37:36
  My wife came home and she was like,
• 1:37:38
  "Let's watch a movie. Put the kids to
• 1:37:40
  bed, watch a movie." And we're sitting
• 1:37:42
  on the couch and it's this I don't even
• 1:37:44
  remember the name of the movie. It's
• 1:37:45
  such a It's such a sad movie.
• 1:37:49
  the daughter dies of cancer and I
• 1:37:52
  realized that like I have a daughter and
• 1:37:54
  it just hit me different and I started
• 1:37:56
  to like I was crying in the middle of
• 1:37:58
  the movie and I was I was like thank you
• 1:38:00
  for breaking my heart this way.
• 1:38:01
  >> Oh yeah
• 1:38:02
  >> because this is actually a nice easy way
• 1:38:03
  to like break your heart. It's just a
• 1:38:06
  movie.
• 1:38:06
  >> Yeah.
• 1:38:07
  >> But who says God can't speak to you
• 1:38:08
  through movies
• 1:38:09
  >> and birds and cats?
• 1:38:12
  >> Oh, you're triggering me a little.
• 1:38:14
  >> He can and he does.
• 1:38:16
  He does.
• 1:38:17
  >> No. You know what's funny is I used to
• 1:38:18
  like I'm kind of coming back around to
• 1:38:21
  the numbers thing cuz I used to see the
• 1:38:23
  same number and I was telling Justin
• 1:38:25
  like our mutual friend Justin about this
• 1:38:28
  >> u cuz Justin's another one like if I had
• 1:38:30
  gotten saved and then encountered him
• 1:38:31
  immediately he would have terrified me
• 1:38:33
  but he has actually helped me a lot like
• 1:38:37
  overcome that trauma and the PTSD from
• 1:38:39
  where I came from. But anyway, I I used
• 1:38:42
  to see this particular number all the
• 1:38:44
  time when I was a new age and I started
• 1:38:46
  to associate it with my grandmom. Long
• 1:38:50
  story, but when I got saved, I pray I
• 1:38:54
  said, "I don't want to see that number
• 1:38:55
  anymore." Cuz I I would keep seeing it.
• 1:38:56
  I was like, "I don't want to see it."
• 1:38:58
  And I stopped seeing it. All of a sudden
• 1:39:01
  now, like the last couple months, I see
• 1:39:02
  it everywhere again. And I'm like,
• 1:39:05
  "This is you." And I know it's you
• 1:39:08
  because I know the scripture says like
• 1:39:10
  you ask you ask him for XYZ. He's not
• 1:39:13
  going to give you, you know, ask for
• 1:39:14
  bread. He's not going to give you a
• 1:39:15
  snake. He's not he's not trying to trick
• 1:39:18
  me
• 1:39:19
  >> into the like, you know, like he's
• 1:39:20
  showing me something and it's like,
• 1:39:24
  >> okay, you're bigger than you're bigger
• 1:39:26
  than me.
• 1:39:26
  >> Yeah,
• 1:39:27
  >> you really are.
• 1:39:28
  >> Yep.
• 1:39:29
  >> I just want I just want everyone to like
• 1:39:30
  get that really hard.
• 1:39:32
  >> He can do whatever he wants.
• 1:39:34
  >> Yeah, he can do whatever he wants. He
• 1:39:35
  could. Um,
• 1:39:37
  I'm not going to say that. I won't say
• 1:39:38
  that. I'll save your audience from that.
• 1:39:41
  I got a little too.
• 1:39:42
  >> Tell me. Tell me after we stop recording
• 1:39:44
  what you were going to say.
• 1:39:45
  >> I'll tell you after.
• 1:39:47
  >> What?
• 1:39:48
  >> You're going to have to cut this. Is
• 1:39:49
  everything okay?
• 1:39:52
  >> Oh, you don't have to cut this out
• 1:39:53
  because this is I brought up the number
• 1:39:57
  at the minute that we were recording it.
• 1:40:00
  >> No way.
• 1:40:01
  >> He just said that. See
• 1:40:03
  >> some like nice little gimatria up there.
• 1:40:07
  >> Some
• 1:40:07
  >> people are like, "What's numerology
• 1:40:09
  about?"
• 1:40:10
  >> Oh my gosh. People ask me about that all
• 1:40:11
  the time. What about biblical
• 1:40:12
  numerology? Is that a thing? I'm like,
• 1:40:14
  I'm pretty convinced at this point
• 1:40:16
  anything that's in new age, there's a
• 1:40:18
  biblical version.
• 1:40:19
  >> Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  >> Because again, he's not
• 1:40:21
  >> there's an original version.
• 1:40:22
  >> He's he's not an author. The devil's not
• 1:40:24
  an author. He's just
• 1:40:27
  >> just a copycat. I know it's like Friday.
• 1:40:29
  You do like pizza night with your wife,
• 1:40:30
  right?
• 1:40:30
  >> Yeah. We're about to crush some pizza.
• 1:40:32
  Yeah. So, I want to like honor your time
• 1:40:33
  with all
• 1:40:34
  >> tonight. I'm not. Lindsay is at a prayer
• 1:40:35
  thing. So, I have
• 1:40:37
  >> I'm eating pizza by myself. So sad, but
• 1:40:39
  I'm going to do it. I'm gonna carve up.
• 1:40:42
  >> You should.
• 1:40:42
  >> It's time.
• 1:40:43
  >> Pizza is like my favorite food in the
• 1:40:45
  world.
• 1:40:45
  >> I love pizza so much.
• 1:40:47
  >> Where are you from?
• 1:40:48
  >> Louisiana. And then Memphis.
• 1:40:49
  >> Okay.
• 1:40:50
  >> Not necessarily known for their pizza.
• 1:40:52
  >> Yeah. That's why I'm like, do you do you
• 1:40:54
  know what good pizza tastes like? Like,
• 1:40:55
  have you been Northeast?
• 1:40:56
  >> Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:40:58
  >> Like, are you making sure New York has
• 1:41:00
  good pizza? Uh, we went through like our
• 1:41:03
  deep dish Chicago sprint, but I'm worth
• 1:41:07
  the New York.
• 1:41:07
  >> Yeah. Okay.
• 1:41:08
  >> Okay. Just making sure.
• 1:41:09
  >> You don't have to rebuke me.
• 1:41:11
  >> I've already fixed my ways.
• 1:41:12
  >> Everything you talked about, that's the
• 1:41:14
  thing that's going to get the rebuke. No
• 1:41:15
  100%.
• 1:41:17
  >> Um, well, thank you. Do you have any
• 1:41:19
  closing thoughts?
• 1:41:20
  >> Just talk to Jesus.
• 1:41:22
  >> Talk to Jesus
• 1:41:23
  >> all the time.
• 1:41:25
  See if you can get him to respond. And
• 1:41:27
  by that, I mean, he's always responding,
• 1:41:29
  but we have to learn how to hear him.
• 1:41:30
  Yeah. Amen.
• 1:41:32
  >> Yeah.
• 1:41:33
  >> Thank you so much. You're welcome. Where
• 1:41:35
  can people find you as they don't know?
• 1:41:38
  >> Uh our podcast, we have a podcast called
• 1:41:40
  The Deep Ends.
• 1:41:41
  >> And then Little Thing
• 1:41:42
  >> Instagram
• 1:41:44
  is Taylor A. Welch, I think.
• 1:41:46
  >> We have a new channel too called Novos.
• 1:41:49
  >> Yeah.
• 1:41:49
  >> Which is pretty awesome.
• 1:41:51
  >> Um yeah, if you can get to like
• 1:41:53
  Instagram,
• 1:41:54
  >> Taylor A. Welch, you usually find a
• 1:41:56
  bunch of other
• 1:41:57
  >> And then who did you write this for?
• 1:41:59
  Like if
• 1:42:01
  >> two people the first are people who have
• 1:42:03
  a bad relationship with money
• 1:42:05
  >> and they think that it's the it's
• 1:42:07
  because of their religion and God like
• 1:42:10
  that God wants them to be
• 1:42:13
  broke and homeless. I want to fix that.
• 1:42:16
  And then the second type of person are
• 1:42:19
  people who are entrepreneurial and they
• 1:42:23
  know that they're supposed to have money
• 1:42:25
  but for some reason there's something
• 1:42:26
  coming against them financially. And
• 1:42:28
  usually if somebody has been struggling
• 1:42:30
  financially, it's it's actually a
• 1:42:32
  merciful thing from God. He wants to
• 1:42:34
  take you deeper.
• 1:42:35
  >> Yeah.
• 1:42:35
  >> And to because he can only get our
• 1:42:37
  attention by the things we're paying
• 1:42:38
  attention to.
• 1:42:39
  >> Yeah. That's good.
• 1:42:40
  >> And so if we're paying attention to it,
• 1:42:41
  he can get our attention with it really
• 1:42:42
  easily.
• 1:42:43
  >> Money is a big deal. So
• 1:42:45
  >> yeah,
• 1:42:45
  >> we're usually pretty aware of
• 1:42:47
  >> our financial struggles. So it's a very
• 1:42:49
  easy way for God to be like, "Let's
• 1:42:50
  train.
• 1:42:51
  >> Let's go deeper on this." So I just
• 1:42:53
  wanted to give people here's how God
• 1:42:54
  views money. Here's the theocratic
• 1:42:56
  system in the Old Testament that God
• 1:42:57
  still honors today. Here's how you
• 1:43:01
  steward the trust of God because there's
• 1:43:02
  currencies on earth. You have the US
• 1:43:05
  dollar. You have the yen. You have all
• 1:43:07
  these different things. There's
• 1:43:08
  emissional currencies. There's
• 1:43:09
  everything has a currency.
• 1:43:10
  >> Yeah.
• 1:43:11
  >> And in the in the spirit, the currency
• 1:43:13
  of of heaven is
• 1:43:14
  >> do you trust God enough to do whatever
• 1:43:16
  he tells you to do.
• 1:43:18
  >> And trust goes two ways. It's a deposit
• 1:43:21
  account. So, the more that the more that
• 1:43:23
  you trust God, the more he trusts you.
• 1:43:26
  And I kind of outlined that in in the
• 1:43:28
  book.
• 1:43:28
  >> Yeah. I honestly like because I wanted
• 1:43:30
  to read it because I knew I wanted to
• 1:43:32
  interview you for all these recordings,
• 1:43:33
  but it was a it was so much more, no
• 1:43:37
  offense, like than I thought it was
• 1:43:38
  going to be. Like I thought it was just
• 1:43:39
  going to be all about like money and
• 1:43:41
  like building or whatever, but it was
• 1:43:42
  like so
• 1:43:43
  >> deep into like kind of everything we
• 1:43:45
  just talked about just like the
• 1:43:46
  spiritual mechanics of things. Yeah. So,
• 1:43:48
  I think it's just really good for
• 1:43:49
  exnewagers to read in general, too,
• 1:43:51
  because there's a lot of mind renewal in
• 1:43:54
  there and seeing like
• 1:43:55
  >> Yeah.
• 1:43:56
  >> seeing the process through covenant.
• 1:43:58
  >> Yeah.
• 1:43:59
  >> It's just awesome.
• 1:44:00
  >> You'll like my next book.
• 1:44:02
  >> It's called Godlike.
• 1:44:04
  >> Godlike.
• 1:44:04
  >> Yeah.
• 1:44:05
  >> I like that.
• 1:44:05
  >> And it's about the mind
• 1:44:07
  >> and how we're all we're not all gods,
• 1:44:09
  >> but we're like God.
• 1:44:11
  >> Yeah.
• 1:44:11
  >> And there was enough in there for a
• 1:44:13
  whole group of people to become to begin
• 1:44:15
  worshiping themselves. Hey, that's what
• 1:44:17
  Eve, you know, Eve was promised
• 1:44:19
  something she already had. And
• 1:44:20
  >> yeah,
• 1:44:21
  >> you'll be like God. I was already made
• 1:44:22
  in his likeness.
• 1:44:23
  >> Can you imagine if she would have just
• 1:44:26
  They have a meeting with God every day.
• 1:44:29
  Can you imagine if she was like, "This
• 1:44:31
  sounds good. I would like to be like
• 1:44:32
  God.
• 1:44:34
  Let me talk to him at 3."
• 1:44:36
  >> Wow.
• 1:44:37
  >> And then I'll meet you here tomorrow.
• 1:44:41
  >> The whole world will be different.
• 1:44:42
  >> Yeah. Right. It was like I just like
• 1:44:44
  that hit me like I'm never going to
• 1:44:47
  trust the way I look at something again.
• 1:44:48
  I'm going to meet with God about it and
• 1:44:50
  then he'll either change the way I look
• 1:44:51
  at it or he'll validate it. One of the
• 1:44:53
  one of the two.
• 1:44:54
  >> So good.
• 1:44:55
  >> I wish she would have done that but it's
• 1:44:57
  okay.
• 1:44:57
  >> We'll talk to her.
• 1:44:58
  >> No hate on Eve. It's so good.
• 1:45:00
  >> All right guys, well thank you for
• 1:45:01
  watching. Go buy Currency of Heaven. Go
• 1:45:03
  follow Taylor. Go follow the deep end.
• 1:45:05
  All of the things. And yeah, I'll see
• 1:45:07
  you next time.
• 1:45:09
  Okay.