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Tami Roman Tells All · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Because I know this is what the context of your
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  Speaker 1: show is about, and it provides a piece of closure
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  Speaker 1: for me because I will never ever answer any more
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  Speaker 1: questions about basketball wise. That part of my life is closed.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm giving it all to you, and then I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting on down the highway.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation with Tammy Roman right after
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  Speaker 3: you've quick ass Welcome to Reality with the King. It's
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  Speaker 3: me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and one
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  Speaker 3: of the most sought after executive producers in reality television
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  Speaker 3: with over ten years of production experience. Twice a week
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  Speaker 3: on Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my
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  Speaker 3: friends across the entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows
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  Speaker 3: and revisit on for get a moment that we are
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  Speaker 3: still talking and tweeting about.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, rain Drops.
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  Speaker 3: Today's guests on Reality with the King is someone I
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  Speaker 3: consider one of the greatest reality TV stars of all time.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about my friend, the living legend, honey, the icon,
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  Speaker 3: Tammy Roman.
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  Speaker 2: We talk about.
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  Speaker 3: Tammy's legendary career in scripted and unscripted television, dating all
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  Speaker 3: the way back from her appearance are married with children.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, my Girls and actress Honey.
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  Speaker 3: We also talk about Basketball wives, as she spilled some
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  Speaker 3: tea on some behind the scenes stuff that went.
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  Speaker 2: Down that even I did not know about.
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  Speaker 3: In addition to that, we talk about her new series
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  Speaker 3: called dh One's Unfaithful, and we also talk about how
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  Speaker 3: people always have something to say about her health and
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  Speaker 3: the way she looks. This is one of my favorite
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  Speaker 3: conversations with one of my favorite people. Without further ado,
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  Speaker 3: let's get into this conversation with Tammy. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 3: your legendary career. Because what I can say because I'm
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm forty two years old, so I've been
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  Speaker 3: around a little bit. So I remember you first from
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  Speaker 3: being Married with Children.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, I'm dating myself.
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  Speaker 2: So Tammy. I was watching Married.
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  Speaker 3: With Children as a little gay boy in Detroit, Michigan,
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  Speaker 3: and Tammy had this scene. She had this beautiful Tammy,
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  Speaker 3: do you remember that that t bos wig you wore.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was my real hair back then. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we weren't into weeds in the nineties, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was me getting the tea box cut.
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  Speaker 3: And that was my first introduction into Tammy Roman. So
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  Speaker 3: talk to us about how you were always an actress first.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, Well I always thought I would be
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  Speaker 1: in entertainment first, right, whatever capacity was going to drop
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  Speaker 1: into my lap. I felt like I knew I needed
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  Speaker 1: to be in entertainment, singing, modeling, acting, whatever, right, So
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  Speaker 1: that's why people saw me on the Real World have
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  Speaker 1: a singing group. But when I came off of the
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  Speaker 1: Real World, people didn't understand what reality TV was because
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  Speaker 1: it was so new, so they thought we were acting.
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  Speaker 1: So I started getting all these auditions. I'm high key talented.
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  Speaker 1: I was able to book jobs without having any coaching
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  Speaker 1: any you know, like lessons or anything, and married with
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  Speaker 1: children one of my first jobs.
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  Speaker 2: And you were excellent in that.
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  Speaker 3: My first introduction into reality television was The Real World. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Heather B was the first black woman a part of
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  Speaker 3: the first season.
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  Speaker 2: I love Heather B.
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  Speaker 3: I listed to her and sway in the morning every
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  Speaker 3: morning on my way to the gym.
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  Speaker 2: And she also.
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  Speaker 3: Deserves all the credit because she still has a long career. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that is still, you know, very much at its highest moment.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know anybody, Tammy that has the career
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  Speaker 3: that you have. You have been on top since then
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  Speaker 3: when you were.
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  Speaker 2: On the Real World? What made you get into reality TV?
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  Speaker 3: Knowing that you had stardom of acting, you know at
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  Speaker 3: the forefront?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know what reality TV was right here again,
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  Speaker 1: this was a new format. So I was working at
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  Speaker 1: an HIV healthcare center, you know, and one of the
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  Speaker 1: one of my coworkers came in and was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get on this show. They've already casted. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, but what show girl? And she said
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  Speaker 1: the Real World? And I had never heard of it.
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  Speaker 1: This is the way my life goes. It was a Friday.
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  Speaker 1: I went home and MTV was doing a marathon of
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  Speaker 1: the first season, and so I watched it and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, what kind of show was this? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it look seems like real people living in the house. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I could do that. So my mother
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  Speaker 1: and I went to we were living in Burbank at
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  Speaker 1: the time. I went to the mall and filmed myself
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  Speaker 1: on a camcorder and this so back in the day,
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  Speaker 1: it was the type of camcorder that had the VHS
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  Speaker 1: on the side.
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  Speaker 2: You talk about radio shack days, right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So she filmed me and that Monday we went up
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  Speaker 1: to Universal Studios, which is where MTV's offices were, and
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  Speaker 1: I personally took them my tape.
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  Speaker 2: Well wait, hold on, hold on, hold the hold the
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  Speaker 2: hold up.
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  Speaker 3: You physically taped yourself, recorded it, and you have a
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  Speaker 3: tape of your hand, and you found the address of
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  Speaker 3: MTV and you walked your black, beautiful self into the
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  Speaker 3: offices and.
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  Speaker 2: Dropped it off.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't leaving until somebody looked at it. And the
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  Speaker 1: casting director at the time was the lady named Felicia Pisano.
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  Speaker 1: You probably know her because she does so much in
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  Speaker 1: the business. I'd say, hey, I got my tape and
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  Speaker 1: she was like, I'm sorry. I said, yes, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to bring you my tape for that show The Real
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  Speaker 1: World y'all got. And she was like, that's not you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't do that. That's not how it works. It's
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  Speaker 1: already been cast. And I was like, well, I would
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  Speaker 1: like for you look at my tape though, and she
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  Speaker 1: was like, not going to do it, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: not leave it, because I want somebody to look at
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  Speaker 1: my tape.
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  Speaker 4: So she took the tape into her office.
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  Speaker 1: Now whether she actually looked at it or not, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but she came back out maybe three to
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  Speaker 1: five minutes later and said, I watched a.
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  Speaker 4: Little bit of it. I am going to finish watching it,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Can you just go with that, go with God with
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  Speaker 1: that and get up out of here. And so I said, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I just wanted to make sure that somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Looked at it.
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  Speaker 1: And two weeks later, John Murray and Mary Ellis Bunim
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  Speaker 1: made She rest in Peace called me at work and said,
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  Speaker 1: we'd love to have you be the cast member on
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  Speaker 1: the Reil World.
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  Speaker 4: We had already.
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  Speaker 1: Casted the show, but we actually like you better than
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  Speaker 1: the person we had and can you do it?
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  Speaker 3: And just so my listeners can know this, So Jonathan
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  Speaker 3: Murray and Mary Ellis mister rest in Peace. They are
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  Speaker 3: the owners of the production.
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  Speaker 2: Company Murray Productions.
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  Speaker 3: And they are the ones who created the Real World.
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  Speaker 3: And you guys may know them now because they were
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  Speaker 3: the one who produced The Kardashians when.
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  Speaker 2: It was on E.
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  Speaker 4: Correct.
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  Speaker 3: So Jonathan Murray, I want to say this to you guys.
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  Speaker 2: He is the older white man.
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  Speaker 3: He's openly gay, and when I say to you, the
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  Speaker 3: coolest guy, he has called executives about me and saying
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  Speaker 3: why don't you have more black on production companies speaking
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  Speaker 3: on issues called Carlos King.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the type of man he is. So they
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  Speaker 2: called you, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then I packed my bags and I went in a
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  Speaker 1: Winnebago with the Dominice to pick.
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  Speaker 4: Up John and that's how Road Rules was born.
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  Speaker 3: That is such a fascinating story because one thing we
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  Speaker 3: know about you, you are a hustler. And I love
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  Speaker 3: hearing these stories because it shows you that you have
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  Speaker 3: to take control of your destiny.
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  Speaker 2: And you are a woman who did that. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the reason.
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  Speaker 3: Why what thirty years later, like you are still relevant
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  Speaker 3: and still working. So that experience happened. And you know, listen,
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  Speaker 3: we all know about what happened on the first season
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  Speaker 3: of the Real World, But what made you get into
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  Speaker 3: basketball wise? Because did you think that the Real World
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  Speaker 3: was going to be a last stint on reality television?
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  Speaker 1: I completely thought I was done with reality TV after
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  Speaker 1: Real World because I started studying right the craft of
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  Speaker 1: acting with a lady named Chip Field, who if you
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  Speaker 1: don't know, that's Kim Field's mom and one of the
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  Speaker 1: best in the business.
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  Speaker 4: And so I was gonna come of tess to be it.
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  Speaker 4: I just do reality TV.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm scripted, you know, and so I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: I would ever be back.
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  Speaker 4: On it, you know, and they have me do the reunion.
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  Speaker 1: At the time I was in I think, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I was engaged to Kenny or married to Kenny.
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  Speaker 1: But you like, my life went in a completely different direction.
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  Speaker 1: And fast forward seven years later, divorced from Kenny and
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  Speaker 1: when I got on basketball wise, it was literally eight
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  Speaker 1: months that I went to get EBT and people made
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  Speaker 1: that my like my existence, you know what I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, And that's not what happened.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to clear up this moment of my life.
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  Speaker 1: I had got cast on a show called Wifey that
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  Speaker 1: was executive produced by Queen Latifa. It was a partnership
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  Speaker 1: between BH one and BT and it was going to
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  Speaker 1: be the first like hybrid co production, you understand what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about, where two networks come together and do
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  Speaker 1: a show. Well, lo and behold, we got our pickup letter.
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  Speaker 1: The show was going to be shooting out of New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: So I packed up my whole family, my mom, my,
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  Speaker 1: two kids, and moved to New Jersey waiting for the
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  Speaker 1: show to start.
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  Speaker 4: Had been there a.
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  Speaker 1: Year and VH one and Beet could not come to
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  Speaker 1: terms on the agreement, so they decided they weren't going
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  Speaker 1: to do the show.
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  Speaker 2: What was the show wife? The about though?
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  Speaker 1: It was like the original Empire, So it was me
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  Speaker 1: Terrence Howard about you know, a record company executive whose
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  Speaker 1: wife takes control of the business because he ends up
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  Speaker 1: getting killed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, and this was scripted. Obviously this was scripted.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm stuck in Jersey right and don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to get back to California because, you know, savings exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: I had already been there a year, thinking everything is
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  Speaker 1: going to be fine because I'm going to be now
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  Speaker 1: on this show that ultimately didn't happen. So I started
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  Speaker 1: working at Morgan Stanley. So people don't know that that
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  Speaker 1: I worked in finance.
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  Speaker 2: Were you an investment banker?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, on on the administrative side. You know, I
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  Speaker 1: was making six figs.
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  Speaker 4: Like. It takes a lot of money to live in
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  Speaker 4: New York, so it was very expensive.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, for shit, I've been working my
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  Speaker 1: whole life, Like I'm one of those people that it's
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  Speaker 1: not like I was destitute, but like you said, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a hustler. So it's like I'm gonna go down here
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get these goddamn food stamps in this Connecticut.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, shit the system, oh me.
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  Speaker 1: So I think when I got on Basketball Wise, people
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  Speaker 1: made it seem like I was broke and homeless, and
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and that wasn't the case.
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  Speaker 1: It was really just, you know, for lack of better
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  Speaker 1: you know, example, Tammy hustling. So your question before I
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  Speaker 1: started clarifying, Tammy was like basically hustling the system to
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  Speaker 1: get the goddamn EBT and the medical so that I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to pay for it. In the city of
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  Speaker 1: New York. So I'm riding the train to work one
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  Speaker 1: day and this lady goes, oh my god, you're Tammy
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  Speaker 1: from the real world and I just saw you on
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  Speaker 1: At the time, I was on a series called Moonlight
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  Speaker 1: for CBS, which had just gotten canceled. Here again, like
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  Speaker 1: all of this is happening simultaneously. Wife, it didn't get
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  Speaker 1: picked up, Moonlight gets canceled. I start working for Morgan Stanley,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like a collective, a three piece combo. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm on the train and she's like, I just saw
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  Speaker 1: you a mom light. What are you doing on the train,
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  Speaker 1: and so I was like, We're going to work, like
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  Speaker 1: you girl, you know, okay, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Headed to Wall Street, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And when I got off work, I thought about it
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, tell me, why are you Why
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  Speaker 1: are you settling for this being your life? You've never
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  Speaker 1: been this type of person. You've got to figure out
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  Speaker 1: how to get back on TV. Like I said, I
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  Speaker 1: prefaced this earlier, the way my life works, Go Home
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  Speaker 1: and VH one is doing a marathon of Basketball Wise,
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  Speaker 1: which I had never seen. So I've watched the whole
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  Speaker 1: first season and I was like, Okay, I used to
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  Speaker 1: be a basketball wife. I'm going to train every day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not having the lunches the brunches in the spa days.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like that part of the life should
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  Speaker 1: be shown too. So I called v H one and
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm Tarmy Roman. I used to be married
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  Speaker 1: to Kenny Anderson. I saw you got a show called
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  Speaker 1: Basketball Wise. Are they getting a second season? Because I
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  Speaker 1: think I need to be on there, And they were like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: call Shed Media, which is another production company for your listeners,
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  Speaker 1: similar to Buna Murray, but they were responsible for Basketball Wise.
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  Speaker 1: I called them ironically. The person who was the EP
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  Speaker 1: of that show, his name was Sean Rankin, and he
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  Speaker 1: used to work on the Real World, so he knew
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  Speaker 1: who I was and said, come on join the family,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how I got on Basketball Wives.
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  Speaker 4: That was a long story.
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard that story, and I know all things
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  Speaker 3: about reality television, so no, this is so interesting because
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  Speaker 3: when a new person enters a season, yes, nine times
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  Speaker 3: out of ten, they always make it seem like someone
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  Speaker 3: who's a current cast member brought you on on this show.
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  Speaker 2: They do that with us, okay, because.
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  Speaker 3: We all thought that Shannie O'Neill brought you on because
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  Speaker 3: you two had a friendship.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like you said, they have to link you to somebody, right,
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  Speaker 1: Shannie and I were not friends when I joined Basketball Wise.
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  Speaker 1: I knew Shack okay, and we used to live in
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  Speaker 1: the same gated community when I was married to Kenny,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, we were neighbors with.
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  Speaker 4: Shack, and I knew he had a wife, but I
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  Speaker 4: didn't know her per se.
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  Speaker 1: But because you know, we had that history of living
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  Speaker 1: in the same community, we played it like we were friends,
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  Speaker 1: but we didn't really know each other.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the first season was good. Evelyn obviously was
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  Speaker 3: to start the season. She brought it. It was her show.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, you came on, and as a producer
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  Speaker 3: of reality television, it's not often that you have two
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  Speaker 3: queen Bees on the same season at the same damn time,
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  Speaker 3: because there's usually one. We now called them the fourth
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  Speaker 3: maultipl When you came on, you were such a force,
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  Speaker 3: and to your credit, it was your authenticity that made
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  Speaker 3: a large group of audiences love you and we were
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  Speaker 3: immediately drunk to you when you were filming that season.
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  Speaker 3: Did you feel that, Okay, I am really making a
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  Speaker 3: moment here on the second season of the show.
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  Speaker 1: I absolutely did not, because I didn't even know how
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  Speaker 1: reality TV was working at this time, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So, like just for Clarity ninety three to two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight, I hadn't done any reality TV, so I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know like the fact that we got schedules
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, you're going to have a
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  Speaker 1: scene at lunch with so and so. You know, it's like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: all of that was new to me. A pa comes
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  Speaker 1: pick you up in the.
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  Speaker 4: Car and drives you to stand like all of that
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  Speaker 4: was new to me.
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  Speaker 1: So at the time, I was still work Monday through
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  Speaker 1: Friday at Morgan Stanley, and I only flew down on
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  Speaker 1: the weekends. So I didn't even think I would be
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  Speaker 1: in the season that much because I was only filming.
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  Speaker 4: On the weekends.
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  Speaker 1: So there was like not any intention behind anything other
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  Speaker 1: than just be myself and tell my story, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, That's really what it was. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I think at the end when she you know, when
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  Speaker 1: we had that exchange and she called me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the non motherfucking factor and I found out that she
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  Speaker 1: had slept with Kenny and Alice, that was all new
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  Speaker 1: to me. Like that was like I was like, That's
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  Speaker 1: why I had that reaction because I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what what.
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  Speaker 4: Is going on? Like it was just so weird.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I've been filming with you for six months,
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  Speaker 1: We've had conversations. Everybody knew this but me, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like it was really very very authentic and very genuine.
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  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people were questioning whether or
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  Speaker 3: not that mom was scripted.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't. It was not. It absolutely was not.
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  Speaker 3: In that moment, did you feel like, Okay, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to be coworkers and not friends.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I felt like, there's no way she could
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  Speaker 1: possibly be my friend, But not for the reasons that
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  Speaker 1: people like to say. Everybody likes to say she's mad
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  Speaker 1: she slept with Kenny. That was so not why I
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: was disappointed in the interaction Evelyn that I had.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: It was really based on girl, I've been around you, Like, I'm.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Not the type of person to smile in somebody's face
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: and have information or be you know, talking behind their back,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: like I'm I'm pretty much very upfront.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: You'll know if I don't like you, if it's something
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm gonna say it to you, you.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: Know what I'm saying.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And so just to have felt like damn, like, so
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you really weren't my friend because you knew this and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: you didn't tell me. But the fact that she slept
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: with him was nothing to me, because fuck, everybody had
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: slept with Kinny.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like it was more than
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: I thought we were cool.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: You know, it really was coming from that space. But yeah,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I said, there's no way that she could have been
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: my friend. However, the very next day, Evelyn called me
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: and she was like, hey, you know, I feel like
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: we were both set up. I thought you already knew
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: this information, and then I find out that you didn't know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and I feel like they were trying to play us
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: against each other, and I really don't want to have
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: that type of.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Relationship with you.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, cool, Evelyn, and I literally
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the very next day.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Went to go have drinks on the on the rooftop pool.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: It was like totally squashed.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: And then second season I show up and she's done
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: T shirts, she's done you know, all of this other stuff,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and so that's when I knew.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I was like, she's not capable of being my.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Friend, and I think that she will say whatever's necessary
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: to keep us from fighting, because that's going to be
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a problem problem for her, not for me.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: And then you know, that's when I knew that that's
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: what it was.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Now that scene at Dulce was scripted, was not scripted
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: because like we don't have lines, right, but it was
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: improv So you know, that's what I'll say about that scene.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: It wasn't really heated a month to two of you,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: but you guys knew that you had to have the
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: conversation and have the dialogue in order for it to.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Make sense correct, Yes, because there was nothing on the paper.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: There was, you know, like the paper she tore off.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: There was like when I said I'm serving you, there
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: was nothing on it was a blank piece of paper,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you know. And we knew that we just had to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: do that scene to give the viewers something. So if
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I had to say anything, I would say from season
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: three on. That's when Tammy the Actress stepped in to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: play season two.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: I was new and green, don't know.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: What's happening on reality TV. I've always been authentic. Let
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: me just TELP, you know, come and give my story,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: my truth, whatever that is. And then I saw, oh,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be a jackass if you don't learn how
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: to play this game. And so season three became the
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: not that I fabricated story. My stories, the things that
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: I chose to share were real and authentic. But my
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: interaction with the ladies was more of Tammy the actress because.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff they were talking about. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: didn't care. If I was.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Supposed to have an emotion of anger, maybe I amped
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: that up a little more than what I really would
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: have done, you know, so you know people should know
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that you know about reality TV. There is that point
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: where it's like you act a little bit.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You become an applified version of yourself because you're realizing
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: there's cameras on correct and I have to give these
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: producers a good scene or I'm stuck here for many hours.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Is that how you felt?
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: That's absolutely how I felt. And then you know they're
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: coming from producers are coming.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: In your ear, like, can you guys give us something?
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: And so you know where I normally might be like, girl,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: just tell her how you feel, it becomes you pitch
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: what you thinking.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: You know, it becomes that you know, so that so
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: that I can go home. You know. That's that's what
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: it is.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: And did you feel like you needed liquid courage to
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: do that because a lot of moments we saw obviously
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: you love a good beer.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Was the drinking of beer giving you that courage to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: sort of step outside yourself to give a good scene.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: No, I don't need liquid courage to do anything that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I do the craft of acting. And here again I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was trained by the best. I can go right into
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: whatever needs to be delivered and I don't need a
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: drink to do that.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: So even when you mush Mika clacks it in her.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Face, it's drunk.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: But I didn't. But I didn't need.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: The beer to you'd have done that.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Stung.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like I didn't need the beer to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: do that. But that, if I have to talk about
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: any moment that I feel was a downer for me,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: was that moment.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Because Mika is really a cool chick, you know what
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And I think that when she came onto the show,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: we were already a unit and a nucleus that operated
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: in a certain way. It's just like if you go
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: on a scripted show if they've been going for four
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: or five years and you're the guest star.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: It's like you're trying to figure out how to figure, you.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Know, segue yourself into their already perfect dynamic. And that's
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the position that Mika was in. And you know, she's cool,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: but she does talk a lot, you know. And I
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: was drunk, you know, and I'm saying, it's like girl,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you lying, which it was like what I had said
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and what she said. I was saying, we're two completely
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: different things. And that's why I mushed her because I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: was drunk, and I'm you know, that's just the truth.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: But I wish I had not have been drunk because
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I would not have mushed her because it didn't warrant that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And so after I watched that moment back on TV,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, Keimmy, why did you do that? Like
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: the minute you see her, you need to apologize to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: her because it didn't need all of that for.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: That scene to work, for that moment to happen.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And so I did when I the first time I
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: got in the same room with her, I immediately apologized.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And did she receive it?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: She actually did, And I always say she was gracious
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: enough to accept my apology because she had a hard
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: road after that scene too, you know, like trying to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: live her life, do appearances, and everybody's like, that's why
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Tammy must you know what I'm saying, Like you got
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to deal with all the aftermath, you know, And.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: So now it reminds me of when Kenya and Portia
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: had their unfortunate moment at the reunion. And I don't know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know if ken you ever share this publicly,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: is what you said, Like Kenya had to deal with
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the aftermath that of fans Portia's fans saying that's why
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: she dragged exactly, that's why she dragged Jack and constantly
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: saying that to her face when she's out in public.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And obviously that happens a lot. I know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: That's that's something Candice also said happened to her when
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: her and Monique had the altercation. So what people don't
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: understand is you have a life after.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: That moment forever. Yes, And that footage is on.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Rotation constantly, constantly, you know, and they constantly rerunning it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: You know, season two and three is back, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: seventeen years. It feels like seventeen years ain't been that long,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: but you know, that's how it feels. Even with me
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: with Keisha and the purse, you know, people think I'm
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a purse feel and it's like, no, that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Girl knew what was happening in this scene. The producers.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: She knew.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: The producers told us, you got to give us something.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: She knew she left her purse. She knew she could
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: have came to my room and got her purse back.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Like it just was like, what is happening here? You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And she let people run with that narrative, and it
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: was It was difficult for me because I'm just trying
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to do what they asked me to do.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It's the moment where Keisha was a cast member. Long
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: story short, you guys are on a pass trip. Listen, no, Shay,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: you were aggressive to Keisha and you were like her
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: purse was next to you, and listen. I will never
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: forget watching that, and a lot of people felt like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: oh my god, Tammy is a bully, and so it
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: became so bad Shannie O'Neill had to do a pickup scene.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: So a pickup scene, guy, is when the season is
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: wrapped and you're in plus production and you're sort of
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: putting the.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Episodes together with your editors.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And that moment between Tammy and Keisha became father on
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: social media and it was so bad. Shawnee had to
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: do a pickup scene talking about my friends and you
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: know this aggressiveness.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Did you feel that was a slap in the face.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I absolutely felt betrayed by that, because Shawnnie was the
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: one who showed me the footage of Keisha talking smack
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: about me in the airport. As soon as we touched
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: down for that cash trip. Shawnee showed me all the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: bts footage of Keisha just ripping me to shreds. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like how you say, little docile Keisha, No, that's not
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the case. But what happened was and this is you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: fuck it now. At the time, Keisha was involved with
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: one of our shows producers, so instead of airing the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: footage the way it really happened, so that you could
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: tell a real story, they cut.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: Out everything that made Keisha look.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Like the bad guy and only left all the stuff
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that Tammy did, Which is why I felt betrayed by Shawnee,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, you sat up in that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: airport and showed me all the scenes. You know, you
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: showed me that, and you know that we had been
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: there three days on this cash trip. Jennifer stayed in
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: her room, she was in hide, and nobody wanted to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: deal with Kenya, who was there at the time, and
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the producer said, we don't have nothing, guys, you gotta
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: do something.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: So the next.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Scene up was us at this bar and me going
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: off on Keisha because I was asked to do that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Then at the end, Keisha hits the ground running, going
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: back to the hotel and leaves her purse. I pick
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: up her purse, bring it to the car. Now, what
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I am wrong for, which I've always admitted, was going
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: through the woman's purse because I wouldn't have wanted nobody
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: to do that like to me.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I was wrong for that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But everything else guys in Truth and Reality, Keisha knew
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what was going on. Seanne knew what was going on.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: The producers knew what they asked me to do, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: everybody left me out there to dry. And because you
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: typically can't speak against the production, right, I gotta be quiet.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I can't even tell people what I just said to you.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: No, it's interesting because look, people come to me saying,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: is this fak Is this real? It's because they can
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: kind of see some of those things happening, and a
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: lot of people now are way more.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: They're more savvy now.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're savvy now. And listen, not all productions ran
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: that way, but some are. Your honesty about That's so
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: interesting because at that time I was a reality producer
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: and watching that scene, I was fooled. I really thought
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that was a real moment based on how it was
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: chopped and screwed.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: It was chopped asscrude, So I was like, you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: when we got back to the hotel, I was like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: just tell that girl to come get her purse.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I don't got no.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Problem with her.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, it ain't that serious. What are y'all doing?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: And they were like, we'll go over to her room
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and give it to her. And that's when I was like,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: ky shut, can you shut? Here's your purse, girl on
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: the door. All of that was because they asked me
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to do that, because Tammy got back to that hotel room,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: kicked off her shoes, laid down on her bed, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: they were like.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: She wants to leave and she wants a purse. I said,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: tell her her come get it.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Because to me, I just I'm acting. I acted my
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: way through that, did what y'all asked me to do.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And now it's it's like and see it's over. Everybody relaxed,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: go back, you know, go back to doing your regular
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: schedule program and we're all good.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: And you know, they they really literally left me out
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: to dry on That.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Was that one of the many times you felt that
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: you were portrayed by Shawnee or the producers with your
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: stay on the show.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were. That was one of them, because there
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: have been many. There have been many.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Your last season broke my heart because I was like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: this woman has carried this franchise on her back, and
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: she's such a hard worker, and when she shows up,
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: she shows out. She makes sure to give y'all a
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: good scene because everyone wins.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: We all wines.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: And your last season, I felt you were so stabbed
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: in the back because I felt that Shannie was choosing
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: to rekindle her relationship with Evelyn and was leaving you
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: out to dry. And it was sad to watch because listen,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I think Evelyn's also a great reality star. I think
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: she also shows up and gives a great scene. But
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: I felt like, if you were going to be that
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: loyal to Evelyn, damn it be that loyal to tell me?
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Did you feel that way too?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: That's I did, and I think, you know, I felt
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: like a lot of boundaries had been crossed, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: And when you talk about just having integrity and respect
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: for another person, I felt like I wasn't getting that,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And people want to hear
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: what they want to hear and see what they want
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to see. And for me to sit at that reunion
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and have somebody admit that they sent letters to production
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you know about me and my personal business. That was
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a lie and admit that they did those things that
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: started to train for me of like this some bullshit
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: right here, you know what I mean, Like because I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: would never do that, Like I would never do that
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to you, but you, young lady, old woman, because you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: ain't fall off me, were like trying to you know,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like just break me behind the scenes because I was
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: just as successful as you in front of the camera
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and that wasn't cool, you know, so when and another
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: thing they did with that reunion too was I left
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: pretty early, so they put it together in a way
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: where it seemed like I was saying things first, which
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: is what they always did. It always had to be
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Tammy started it because Seannie and Evelyn started this franchise
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: to get so the loyalty from the production company and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: the executive producers was to them. A lot of things
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: were shown out of order if you understand what I'm saying,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: so or cut out, you know, to make it skew
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: favorable for them because the loyalty was to them.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Shanie and Avalanche always got the good at.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: It always for the history of the show, which is
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: why if people are really true watchers of Basketball Wise,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: they started to see Tammy doesn't talk as much, Tammy
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: does not saying as much.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Tammy, it's not doing what she used to do because
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Know if you're gonna show it truthfully, and so now
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I've got to protect myself.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: So that's really what people start seeing.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: But that back to what you were saying that reunion
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was like, I've had enough. You've talked about my eggs,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: which is a lie. Shannie is backing up your lie,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: so you know, I can't fuck with her or you.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And then you're going sending letters to the production and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the production company behind the scenes, spreading lies about me,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and they're engaging in conversation with you, which was mind
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: blowing to me, Carlos, because I feel like, if somebody
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: sent you a letter talking about Nani, You're not gonna
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: sit and go.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: You right, that bitch be tripping like on an email.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Never and let me be clear, some ladies have tried.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: And the reason why I have a great rapport with
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: all my girls is because I don't engage in the
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes talk about my cast.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: But this executive, high level executive did, and I have
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: to this very day.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: The emails.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying of this conversation, and the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: girl admitted, yes, I sent letters, and.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: The audience just overlooked that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: So you're admitting that you've been shitting on me and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: trying to do all kind of shit behind the scenes.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Nobody cared.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: They put it like I talked about her eggs before
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: she talked about my And quite honestly, I'm only having
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: this conversation with you because I know this is what
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the context of your show is about. And it provides
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: a piece of closure for me because I will never
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: ever answer any more questions about basketball. Why that part
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of my life is closed. So I'm giving it all
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to you, and then I'm getting on down the highway.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: So she was doing a lot to me that people
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: just didn't know that I was dealing with. And so
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that's why the very last season that I was on
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: the show, I opted not to get a raise, not
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: to extend any options, and not to film with her.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Wow, because at the end of the day, you chose
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: your piece over.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Profits, correct, And I said, no, I don't want it.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna leave and.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Go on about my business because I know I can
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: do other things.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Baby, we are not done yet. Stay tuned for more
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: of my conversation with Tammy. Will be right back after
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: this quick break. This is Reality with the King and
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into my chat with Tammy.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I'm a loyal basketball wife's when you left.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Every show needs a force multiplier and every show needs
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the chemistry of the cast. You are such a force
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: and Evelyn was too. We are going to admit that,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: but without you being there. And I'm watching this current
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: season and I'm I'm pretty sure you haven't watched it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I think it's safe you haven't. So it is the
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: most awful thing I've seen a.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Very long time. Wow.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: And I've said this on my podcast recently that that
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: show needs Tammy and Evelyn. And you know, listen, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: love Jennifer as a friend of mine. We all know
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: that Jennifer isn't a lead, right Jen, No, she's not
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: a lead. She wants to be able to come in
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: her cute fashion du ALTT one two and keep in moving.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: That show is bad, It's awful. In the words of
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Meini Leaks, you never win when you play dirty.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: You never win when you play dirty.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: They may be able to get Evelyn back, you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: onto the.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Show, but it's gonna be. It means more than her.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I know, Shannie got married. Were you invited to the wedding?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: I was not.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I was not invited to the wedding, and I don't
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: know why I would have been, you know what I'm saying.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Like Seannie and I have not spoken to each other
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: since I left the show, and I had saw on
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the blog where her father had passed away, and I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: did reach out to her and say, hey, I'm sorry
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: for your loss, you know, because I had met her
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: father and you know, I know they had a wonderful
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: relationship in dynamics, so I know that probably hurt, you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to lose him. And I reached out to her and said,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: you know, sorry for your loss, and she reached back
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: out and said, hey, thank you for that A And
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: then if I've done anything to ever hurt you over
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the years, like I'm really sorry about it, and you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I thank you with the thumbs up. And then we've
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: gone back to our separate corners and our separate lives
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like we were before I extended that condolences.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's there's closure.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the beauty of you is that show did not
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: make you, and it certainly did not break you, because
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: now you have a brand new show on being called Unfaithful.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And let me tell you something, as a fan of
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: cheaters and a fan, you.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Know, of those type of shows, tell us about Unfaithful.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: I am so excited, Carlos, because you know, like quite.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Honestly, you look out and you see everybody going through
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: their winning season, right, and it just seems like, okay, lord,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: here I am, you know, you know, waiting, waiting, waiting.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Let me tip on wait, you know.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: And I just feel like once I made the decision
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: to leave the you know, basketball wise and really get
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: back to what I love to do in scriptive programming,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: he just opened the floodgates. Like he just showed up
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and showed out. And so they came to me with
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Caughtney act Unfaithful, and it was like.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Who better than me? You know what I mean. It's like,
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: of course, you know, I too was a fan of cheaters.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I have been that person who's been in a relationship
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: where there was infidelity. I've written a book on how
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: to make your relationship cheap proof. So it just kind
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: of fell into place and I'm excited for everybody to
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: see it because, yes, like Cheaters, it's a relationship show.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: But we've layered that thing, you know what I mean,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Like you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Get to sit down the suspicious lover gets to sit
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: down with the other woman and have a real conversation,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: not just confrontation, but conversation with that person, which Cheeters
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: didn't do. You can team up with that person and
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: take down the man, or you can choose to remain
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: solo and take them both down by yourself.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: We've got that, And then I wanted to be able.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: To which is one thing I love about me in
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: general is I always want to add value to whatever
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: it is that I'm involved, even like with the reality stuff.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, is my telling this part of my life
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: going to help someone?
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: Is it going to add value? It's not just going
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: to be the Shenanigans. Can I offer something? And I
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: want to do the same with this show. And I
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: feel like so many people go through life saying toxic relationship,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: toxic relationships, but it's so general and broad that people
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: don't even know when they're in a toxic relationship. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we're educating while giving you the Shenanigans and the drama
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, the entertainment of these, you know, non
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: committed relationships that people are being caught in the act in.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's like, if you don't know what
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: hoovering is, if you don't know what parentsification is, if
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: you don't know what flying monkeys is, then you could
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: very well be in a toxic relationship and not even know.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Because to us, toxic is oh he put his hands
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: on me. Nah, toxic to us is gas lighting.
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You know you said that. It's so much more to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: being in a toxic environment than people are aware of.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: And so we've got all those elements and I'm really
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: excited for people to see and it's my own thing,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and you know, I just hope people support me in it,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: And you're not only the starvet, aren't you also executive producing?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Get I'm a consulting producer. I'm not executive producing. But
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I was a part of the development phase
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: of adding those things that I just spoke to you
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: about to make sure that it was really well rounded
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and flushed out and we weren't just doing the.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Same thing that had already been done.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: So they afforded me a consulting producer credit, which I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: thankful for.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Congratulations with that, thank you, thank you.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Would you ever go back into duing reality TV? Or
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: do you want to focus on other ventures right now?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Well? You know which I know you know, but your
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: viewers may not know. Caught in the act is reality TV.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Reality is under an umbrella called unscripted, so it's still
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: reality TV, it's just a different format. But would I
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: go back to an ensemble? Absolutely? What you got, Carlos.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I tried to get up on that Real
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: House Life two times and both times they were like, girl,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: go on somewhere. We don't want you, you know, So
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I said, well that won't happen, But I would absolutely
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: go back depending upon here again, is it a world
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: we haven't seen? Are we offering people something different than
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: what's already been done a hundred thousand times?
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: You know? It would have to really be.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: A flushed out concept and environment, you know, where we're
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: something new and it feels fresh.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, But me going to have lunch with.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: So and so and going to somebody's birth keays birthday party,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: and then we got to argue about something at kids.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not interested.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: No, I just see something so much bigger for you.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: And that's why I'm so happy for you with the calling,
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: the acting, faithful show, you acting on Mispatch on BT Plus.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: And it's amazing going to work every day because all
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you do is laugh all day long, like the mispat
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that you guys see on TV and her stand up.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: That's who she is all the time. So I love
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: being over there with that. I've got a new scripted
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: drama that's coming to be ET as well, which launches
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: in August, which I actually helm that show, and I've
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: got a great cast on that show as well. This
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: is exclusive. I don't know if of you were supposed
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to be talking about it, but it's coming to be
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: ET Linear and we're excited about it. So there's there's
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of things that are happening.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: You have such a wealth of knowledge and experience.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: When you talk, people listen.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: When you were on.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: The Real Alani Love and you shared your personal story
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: about your challenges with body image and going through body
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: dysmorphia and your honesty, it stops people in their tracks
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: because we love you and you're an icon because the
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: moment you wire your teeth on the real world. Yes,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: you've always given us the reil. You have a lot
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: of fans who are rooting for you, who love you.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: How are you doing health wise now, because obviously you
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: were so open about it, and I had no idea
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: you were going through that after all the years I've
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: known you.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: If you look at me over the course of my life,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: it's like, who's going to be one hundred and twenty
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: pounds and get their my mouth to lose more weight, right,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: which is what I did on real world, Like, I've
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: always suffered from this mental disorder, because that's really what
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: it is. And I've had phases over the course of
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: my life where through therapy, like I try to deal
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: with it, right, I try to, for lack of better verbage,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: be normal like everybody else and eat and do you
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: know all.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Those things and gain weight and stuff.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: So I've had moments where I try to do that,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: but the minute something triggers it, I'm back on the train,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so you know, Carlos,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: every day is a struggle, if I'm being quite honest,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: you know, And I'm just trying to be as healthy
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: as I can be, you know, I don't need people
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: talking about my weight all the time because it doesn't
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: help me. You understand what I'm saying, and so let
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: me kind of just go through my processes and try
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: to get back on a better mental health path so
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: that you don't see my claviical and you don't see
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: my shoulder bone and you don't you know, you know
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, let me just try to work
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: my way through it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: But right now, you know, I feel like I look great.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: But that's the problem, right you know what I mean,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: because everybody's like she needs some help, you know. So
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: it's one day at a time, That's what I will say.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: It's one day at a time.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And listen is one of those things where I
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: know firsthand the moment you publicly talk about your struggles,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: whether it's eating or alcohol or whatever, it's sort of
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: keep it kind of holds you accountable.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: But it holds you accountable and hostage at the same time,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: because because I feel like I put it out there
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: so that you guys can understand what I'm dealing with
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and then now let me take the steps necessary to
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: get better. And why I say, but it holds you
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: hostages because every time I put up a fucking picture
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: because now people know that that's my issue.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: It's like she needs to eat.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: She you know what I mean. It's like she was
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying when she got
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: by in this morn. Yeah, she ain't trying to get better.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And it's like I shared it with you guys because
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I want you to have empathy and compassion, not just
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: continue to break me down. Let me just try to
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: keep working through it, and then one day there's gonna
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: be one day I'm gonna put up a picture and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be like, huh, she looked good.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: She got to you guys, because to me, I look great.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: But for you guys, let me just try to work
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: through it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: We are all praying for you because we love you.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Ever we want to see you win. So last, but
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: not least, what is it that you want my listeners
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: to know about you that no one knows because they
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: saw one side of you on reality TV?
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they just need to know that I'm
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: God fearing and I'm about my.
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: Business and I'm an excellent you know.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what else because I feel
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: like I've shared so much of my life that they've
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: seen everything.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: You know, So I feel like most people should know me.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, like I love the Lord and I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: might say shit and fuck, but I definitely love the Lord.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm all about Christ and my ancestors and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: trying to do what I need to do to make
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: my mom proud who's no longer here, and make my
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: daughters proud who have to live on past me.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, Tammy, we can talk all day. I love her
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: so much. She's so real, she's so genuine. And to
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: have someone that's been in this business as long as
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: she has but still comes across so relatable, that's nothing
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: but a gift. And this conversation, I just have a
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Tammy was also a gift. Love you, Tammy, thoughts, opinions.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Read about my conversation with Tammy. Email me at Reality
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• 48:11
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• 48:39
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• 48:47
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• 48:52
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