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EPISODE 38: Everyone Wants A Podcast...But Nobody Talks About This · It's Mom O'Clock

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  Speaker B: Hello?
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  Speaker C: You guys, stop. Is it Mama Clock yet? I'm going crazy.
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  Speaker B: Heck, yeah, it's Mama Clark somewhere. It's fine.
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  Speaker C: Sure.
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  Speaker B: I don't give a today, so do whatever you want.
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  Speaker C: I walk, I talk. I'm from New York.
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  Speaker B: I walk, I talk. I'm from New York, and I'm sick. So just to let everybody know, this episode is coming to you live from a sick girly, AKA Me. I have the period flu.
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  Speaker C: No. Excuse me.
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  Speaker B: For those of you who don't know what the period flu. It's a flu that comes five or six days before your period every month. It's not a virus. It's a hormone triggered inflammatory.
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  Speaker C: This is. This is what germaphobes tell themselves.
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  Speaker A: It's a.
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  Speaker B: Basically an inflammatory chemical that releases out of my body five or six days before my period. It's not a virus at all.
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  Speaker C: It's.
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  Speaker B: It's hormone triggered.
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  Speaker C: And
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  Speaker B: I'm not doing great.
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  Speaker C: I didn't believe her folks, but I looked it up, and apparently the period flu is real.
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  Speaker B: You live all you want, but it happens when. Five or six days every single month. To you, to me, every time. And to many others.
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  Speaker C: Hmm.
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  Speaker B: So I'm gonna be having these tissues in my hair the whole time.
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  Speaker C: Okay, I'm not looking.
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  Speaker B: But you know what? Mama Clock has two dedicated mothers.
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  Speaker C: Mother.
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  Speaker B: And nothing stops me. Y' all get sick and don't go into work. Me, I Get sick and I show up.
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  Speaker C: Shows up.
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  Speaker B: So if you see dirty tissues on my podcast table, you know, why start sanitizing. So anyway, we're here to talk about
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  Speaker C: dedication and we are dedicated.
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  Speaker B: Yeah. Can you tell I sound terrible?
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  Speaker C: It's fine. You're not. You're not on a talk show or anything.
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  Speaker B: I should have made tea.
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  Speaker C: What's that?
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  Speaker B: Decaf. That was dumb. It helps you out, does it? Like I'm dying.
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  Speaker C: Anything hot?
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  Speaker B: Yeah, anything hot. Right.
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  Speaker C: Can somebody pick us up Netflix? Yeah, someone Amazon.
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  Speaker B: Netflix. I'm looking for.
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  Speaker C: We. We need some production.
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  Speaker B: I'll go on Hulu. I'll go on Disney.
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  Speaker C: I would do Disney. I would do anything.
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  Speaker B: I would do anything to make more money than we're making. So.
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  Speaker C: But we're grinding.
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  Speaker B: We're grinding. And I'm working out of my home. People like, my kid's about to walk in with the babysitter. I got the dog barking next to. I mean, it's not easy.
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  Speaker C: Nope.
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  Speaker B: Let's talk about it. What does it actually take to make it as a mom podcast duo? Talk to me.
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  Speaker C: I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker B: What do you think? It takes a lot of.
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  Speaker C: A lot of gut and grind.
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  Speaker B: But actually, before we get into that, because you know us, we tend to forget our pop culture segment and we're
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  Speaker C: really trying on that.
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  Speaker B: We're really trying.
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  Speaker C: We're going to talk about the headline about our Eric Dean.
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  Speaker B: No Sonic steaming. I had to watch his death twice episode.
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  Speaker C: A lot of people did.
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  Speaker B: No, I'm. I have tissues. Thank God, because I'm so sad. Not only was he such a great actor, like, I followed his, like, life journey in real life. He was such a good human being. So to see how a disease can kill somebody so quickly makes me physically ill.
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  Speaker C: I know Al is a terrible, terrible, terrible disease.
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  Speaker B: It really is.
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  Speaker C: And my heart goes out to his family and everyone that is affected by the disease. And it's just like, I really.
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  Speaker B: It's a very quick moving disease and
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  Speaker C: everything just shuts down.
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  Speaker B: Yeah. And you just. And the worst part is you're not yourself at the end of it. So it's not like someone who wants to say goodbye to you gets to say goodbye to, like, the real version of you. So it's like absolutely terrible.
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  Speaker C: But he publicly shared about his journey. He shared about his diagnosis. He continued working despite of it.
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  Speaker B: Oh, he did? I didn't know that.
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  Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, he was in. Well, he was in euphoria in 2024,
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  Speaker B: so it was Grey's Anatomy first as McSteemy.
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  Speaker C: Yes.
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  Speaker B: And that was in.
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  Speaker C: I mean, he was in that for years.
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  Speaker B: For years. I mean, he started the show right in the beginning, not season one or two, but like a little bit after that. But he was in most of the show.
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  Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker B: And a huge part.
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  Speaker C: And he. I think he had all. But he was only 53 when he was. I know, I know.
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  Speaker B: He's younger than my parents.
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  Speaker C: So young.
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  Speaker B: I know. And I just feel like he was. The Euphoria gig he had was after Grease, and he was awesome in that he was a dad. Right. I didn't. I'm not really familiar with Euphoria. I've watched that. Him in it. Oh, you need episodes.
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  Speaker C: You need to rewind.
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  Speaker B: I know. I watched like the first few seasons.
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  Speaker C: There's more. Right. It's a real fucked up show. But it's good. He was so good in it. And he did. He recently just aired the Netflix documentary on his life.
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  Speaker B: So he did that because he was
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  Speaker C: like, yeah, like, he was working. He wanted to. He knew that it was gonna be released after he died. So he. So which is like, why did Phil Big then? No. And it. And you can, like, feel like even from the producers, like, everybody knew that that was not gonna air until after his death. And it is just, like, so heavy. But everything he said, like, oh, his daughter.
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  Speaker B: I saw the daughter. The daughter, like, message that he said was really sweet.
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  Speaker C: He said this quote in the Netflix doc. He said, live now, right now, in the present. The past contains regret and the future remains unknown. So you have to live right now. The. You have treasure it every moment. And that just, like, really stuck with me. And I think people need to take away that. You really do, because you. The future is not guaranteed. And I know we talked about that in the past, but I feel like once things happen in this life and, like, you hear about something and obviously with this world, right now is the scariest motherfucking world in the whole world. I know. So you have to just live right now. Even if you're sick. Come to the podcast.
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  Speaker B: I mean, he didn't expect his life. Yeah, seriously. He didn't expect that life for his life to end so abruptly like that. I mean, I'm sure he had a feeling once he was diagnosed, but it's just like, he didn't prepare for that. So for that to happen to him. And he's a family, like.
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  Speaker C: I know. And I think that it. It takes a really big person to be able to maybe, like, Take a step back out of their own body and think about life after their life. Like, so everybody else who's living has to keep living. And his family, his wife. And making that documentary, like, I think that really means a lot to his family.
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  Speaker B: In the documentary.
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  Speaker C: I don't think so. I watched half of it. I, like, cried through it, so I had to turn it off because it was.
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  Speaker B: I know. I couldn't even imagine.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. So I just think it takes a really big person to be able to think about their own life when they're not there anymore and to be so strong. Yeah. And, like, to project it out to the world. I mean, he knew that that was gonna be his outcome.
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  Speaker B: I mean. Yeah, we would have to have, like, some people could rot in bed and just, like, let the disease kill them, and that was that. I mean, he made. He left with a purpose, and I feel like that says so much about who he is.
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  Speaker C: Yes.
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  Speaker B: So I feel like our hearts go out to him and his family and I. Mixteamy forever. McSteemey forever. Were you McSteevy or McDreamy?
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  Speaker C: I was McSteamy.
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  Speaker B: I was McDreamy.
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  Speaker C: Ooh.
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  Speaker B: But I would love to have an affair with McSteeman.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. I mean, I was both, but, like, I don't know. I love them both.
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  Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I love them both. But no, seriously, it's a terrible disease.
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  Speaker C: So it really is.
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  Speaker B: Stay strong for anybody and anybody's family members dealing with that currently.
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  Speaker C: Do you remember the ALS ice bucket challenge?
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  Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. I did that so much.
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  Speaker C: Yeah, we did.
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  Speaker B: Meanwhile, we're, like, doing it as, like, an ice bucket challenge. Like, people are dying.
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  Speaker C: No. Yeah. But it did spread awareness.
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  Speaker B: Spread awareness. And it made.
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  Speaker C: And people were fundraising, like, for it.
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  Speaker B: Totally. Okay, moving on. Let's talk about Melinda Gates, Bill Gates's ex wife.
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  Speaker C: Tell me about her.
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  Speaker B: I don't know much about this woman, but apparently I saw some things online. No. So obviously, everybody knows about the Epstein fallout. Back in conversation. More and more things keep being released. More and more things keep coming out. And it's not that I'm not educated on it, and it's not that I don't want to be educated on it. I'm just that type that I get eaten alive by this shit, and I don't want to make it my whole personality. Some people do, and they're okay with it, and they could be two different people and set one part aside.
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  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: I can't.
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  Speaker C: I think that's something interesting to. Because I saw this. I saw A mom. Say something where, like. And I kind of feel similarly. Similarly. Like, I. I do not really watch the news and I'm not really educated on a lot of things, but I do it to protect my mental health. Because the world is so scary.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: And, like, I obviously am naive towards a lot of things out there, but I think that for me to, like, be able to function.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: I can't see a lot of the things that are out there.
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  Speaker B: It's.
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  Speaker C: Especially with Epstein files. Like, everything's coming out. I. My. My whole TikTok is it right now. It's terrible.
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  Speaker B: I wonder why it's not mine.
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  Speaker C: Maybe because you didn't search. It won't go on a rabbit hole. Yeah. I can't do that.
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  Speaker B: I know.
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  Speaker C: It was terrible. And like, having kids, being a mom, it's just like these poor, innocent children. I know.
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  Speaker B: I mean, so bad to say. And I don't mean to sound selfish saying this, but out of sight, out of mind. Like, I just don't want to know.
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  Speaker C: I know.
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  Speaker B: I know I should know. And I know people are really like, you should be educated on it.
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  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: So you could, like, throw out awareness to people.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker B: But I know it's dangerous. I know there's a dangerous world. I know enough. I just don't want to dive deep. And people have, and I've seen it, and I just. It's hard. It's hard to wrap your head around because you're like, is this really fucking going on right now?
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  Speaker C: I know.
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  Speaker B: So anyway, back to Melinda Gates. So she went on an interview recently. Why her name is trending again. She did a media coverage which brought attention back to her, and she was raising concerns about Jeffrey Epstein years before her divorce with Bill Gates.
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  Speaker C: Okay.
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  Speaker B: So this all went on while she was married to Bill Gates, but she's talking about it after being married, after being divorced from Bill Gates. She has three kids. Right. She has a son and two daughters. Or they have a son and two daughters, I should say. So obviously some background. And I'm just gonna read my notes because I don't wanna mess up any of the terminology. So Bill Gates met Jeffrey Epstein multiple times starting around 2011, after Epstein had already been convicted of sex crimes. Okay, so clock that Melinda said. Melinda has said publicly that she strongly opposed to those meetings. So she didn't take part in those meetings. She reportedly met Epstein once herself and described him afterward as deeply disturbing. Okay, so this is the important part. Linda has openly acknowledged that Epstein was a major factor contributing to the back. I'm sorry. Contributing to the breakdown of her marriage. So she's saying that the reason why she divorced Bill Gates was because of Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Speaker C: So she said she warned Bill about maintaining contact with Epstein, and she.
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  Speaker B: She didn't want her husband to have contact with Epstein after meeting him and how disturbing he was.
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  Speaker C: Right, right. Which she was uncomfortable with Epstein's influence and associations that he already had that she knew about.
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  Speaker B: Because what I said previously, she knew about the sex crimes prior to meeting him and after her husband was meeting with him.
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  Speaker C: Right. And obviously that made her have trust issues.
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  Speaker B: Why wouldn't it? Right. So she was obviously uncomfortable with Epstein's influence and association. So trust issues, obviously, with her husband played a huge role in the 2021 divorce. So 2011, Epstein came into play. 2021, Bill Gates and Melinda Gates got divorced.
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  Speaker C: And I just have to say, I think. I mean, Bill Gates is a very powerful man, very successful. And I think that now she even said in her interview, like, it probably was really hard to talk about those things that were happening.
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  Speaker B: She, like, barely talked about it, but.
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  Speaker C: Enough.
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  Speaker B: I said enough.
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  Speaker C: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker B: If you haven't watched the. You should. It's very powerful. Because I don't feel like she. She's a respectful, powerful woman, and I think it was smart of her to be as reserved as she was. But talk through her eyes, I would say, and answer what she should because, I mean, she's probably in a little bit of danger herself. You know what I mean? So I feel like she just has to, like, be careful of what she says. So why it's being resurfaced now?
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  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: So people are questioning Melinda Gates. Were you involved? Did you know anything about this? So she obviously tried to pull away from it as much as possible. I mean, she was married to the man. She had kids with the man. So she's kind of stating all this in the interview. And when asked, did you know or did your ex husband partake in any of these sex crimes? She basically said yes without saying it.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker B: If you agree with that.
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  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: And I just feel like it's being like, reframed less as scandal gossip and more as, like, a woman recognizing red flags. Like, I think that's so powerful. Like.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker B: Like, let's not talk about it as gossip. Like, this is real fucking shit. People are being killed and their fucking teeth are being cut out. Like, yeah, you know, real life people. So, yeah. So I don't think she. She was associated with it, but I don't. I don't think she had anything to do with it. But she obviously clearly. Woman, intellect, she had an idea, meaning she knew what was going on, so she was trying to get away from it and get her family away from it. And I feel like. Was there anything else in the interview that stood out to you that.
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  Speaker C: Not really, but I think it just plays into, like, accountability among billionaires and, like, all these powerful people that are in these Epstein files. And imagine being just as moms. Like, imagine if it was you. Like, if you were just in this relationship and something like this was happening and. But, like, maybe you. You were so scared to speak up or like, something like. Like, real shit. Yeah. And so I feel like that's something to be said.
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  Speaker B: I feel like that brings us into, like, the mom point of view. And I want to touch on this real quick for, like, on Melinda Gates's end. So Melinda's story feels like something a lot of people can relate to, just, like, on a massively public scale.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker B: So I feel like years ago there was so much pressure to stay, especially with a name like Bill Gates. Right. So, I mean, if I could guess, walking away could feel embarrassing or selfish or didn't sit right. Because of his name.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker B: Years ago. And I feel like fast forward to now. Now we're seeing, like, a cultural shift in women where they're like. Especially moms, that they're less willing to ignore the red flags and being like, fudge this, I'm out right now.
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  Speaker C: As they should.
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  Speaker B: As they should. So I feel like women are. Respect themselves more. Self value themselves more. They don't feel like they have to lean on their man, their partner.
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  Speaker C: Partner trolls, most.
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  Speaker B: Which I assume Bill Gates did. And I feel like outside of this world, outside of that world, people thought they should have stayed.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. And I found it very easy to, like, say, like, oh, she should have just got. Like, she should have just got out. Like, how if you. That was 20 years, like, that is, like, just might have been an impossible task for her.
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  Speaker B: And you can't imagine what she was going through. Maybe she was scared.
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  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Like, you don't know what he was capable of. Especially. I mean, she said herself. And we all know how disturbing Jeffrey Epstein is.
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  Speaker C: Right.
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  Speaker B: How do you know he wasn't going to reel her in? So, I mean, that shit's fucking whacked out. And don't deep dive because you're gonna go fucking insane. But I think you should be aware of it.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. This world is so scary. Yesterday I was. My kids were outside in the front lawn playing in the snow, and I was, like, doing something with Rocco, and my mom was over, and she was like, you're not watching them. I was like, I am mom. And she's. My mom is literally out the window. She's like, a van could come right now and just kidnap them. And I'm like, okay. And it's so true. And, like, you see these stories, and they are real, and it does happen. And now, more than ever, for some reason, this world is even scarier. And, like, my mom's right. Like, I should not have ever taken my eyes off of them, because you
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  Speaker B: don't think it's gonna happen to you, and it can.
• 17:56
  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Anyway, I did enough about Epstein and his fucking files. I just pictured, like, files, which are just, like, files. But I really want to touch on, like, lastly, about Eric Jada, that we could get into the pod, like, the mom point of view from there. Like, do you want to just touch on that? I feel like it's so heavy from a mom, like, our point of view, to be dealing with something like that.
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  Speaker C: Yeah. As, like, a mom. The story hits differently because marriage vows aren't just romantic. Like, it's now, like, the real life. Yeah.
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  Speaker B: Right.
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  Speaker C: Like, his wife, like, was there from death to us part. Right. Like, imagine. I mean, I like to put sickness and health. Yes. Sickness and health. Like, putting yourself in their shoes and really feeling like, are you going to be with your partner in these really, really hard times? And I just feel like it makes life seem so precious in the time that you have with your partner.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: And the vows that you make, like, make. Make them count. Like, make it. I don't know. It's just. And his strength was, like, very, like, empowering. Empowering.
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  Speaker B: Yeah.
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  Speaker C: And. Yeah. What else do we have?
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  Speaker B: I feel like it's, like, the hardship of it, though.
• 19:13
  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: It's not. You could talk about how it makes life so precious all you want, but imagine you were in those shoes and your husband was dying right in front of you.
• 19:22
  Speaker C: No.
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  Speaker B: Like, and you're dealing with all these emotions, and then you have to not only be strong and take care of your husband, take care of your kids. Like, once he's gone, you have to run the household. Like, imagine feeling all of those emotions. Like, yeah. You're not thinking, oh, my God, life is so precious. We have to take it. Like, no, I'm going to be like, holy fucking shit. What am I going to fucking do? I'm going to. I can't live like this. Like, I'm going to die. I'm going to have to die with him because I'm not able to live without him.
• 19:50
  Speaker C: No, but you. You have to take care of your kids. You have a.
• 19:53
  Speaker B: You do. But I'm saying, like, how you feel. You don't actually feel that way. I mean, you. No, just do that. You don't feel that. You do that because you have to.
• 20:01
  Speaker C: Yeah. You go into, like, a fight.
• 20:02
  Speaker B: Yeah. You just have to do what you have to do. But I'm not. Who's to say? You. I mean, I definitely would feel, like, a million emotions of, like, how do I do this? What do I do? I mean, how do I become the man of the house?
• 20:14
  Speaker C: Like, you know, God, I know.
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  Speaker B: In all different ways, it's really.
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  Speaker C: It's. It's heartbreaking, and it's heartbreaking. I don't know. I can't. I don't think I can allow my brain to go there right now.
• 20:23
  Speaker B: All right, well, let's move on. Okay. So let's move towards our. Worth our time of the week. I just want to touch on my. What was worth my time this week. I had my son's second birthday party. We didn't throw a first birthday party, so we did a small second birthday party, and we invited family and friends, and I hired Ms. Jolie. She's the Ms. Rachel of Northern Jersey. If you don't know Ms. Jolie, click follow on Instagram. Click subscribe on YouTube. She is. Sorry. Better than Ms. Rachel.
• 21:00
  Speaker C: She's better. Her musical talent is better. She's prettier. She's funnier.
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  Speaker B: Yeah. Her voice, her rhythm, the way she, like, connects with the kids, I feel like. And she did an addition bubble show at my party, which was so worth it.
• 21:15
  Speaker C: My kids are still talking about that.
• 21:16
  Speaker B: Correct. So is mine bubble pop? That's all my son's saying.
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  Speaker C: She. And it wasn't just pop bubbles. It was magic bubbles.
• 21:22
  Speaker B: It was magic bubbles. And I feel like she did such an amazing job. I want her at every event.
• 21:27
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker B: And I want to go to her classes. She has library classes. She has music classes. She goes to schools. Like, I would hire her for anything that I could hire her for.
• 21:35
  Speaker C: Yeah.
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  Speaker B: I swear to God. I know I sound, like, so dramatic, but I. Even the adults were so engaged.
• 21:41
  Speaker C: Yeah, they were engaged. And she has a really cool pink guitar.
• 21:43
  Speaker B: And she's a really cool pink guitar. So she was absolutely worth my time.
• 21:47
  Speaker C: Worth your time?
• 21:47
  Speaker B: What about you?
• 21:48
  Speaker C: Worth my time being a guest at your party that a lot of people had canceled because of sickness.
• 21:56
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker C: Her mom handed me trays of leftover food, trays of penetrative cake.
• 22:03
  Speaker B: I think she handed you a cake.
• 22:04
  Speaker C: It's an entire cake, not just a cake. What happened? You got a wrong cake?
• 22:09
  Speaker B: No, it fell. And it fell on the floor. Not on the floor. It fell off the first tear onto in the car, in my friend's lap when she picked up the cake. So she made another cake, which was the cake you had, just in case.
• 22:22
  Speaker C: I mean, I had a full.
• 22:23
  Speaker B: So she made a second layer from scratch just in case it fell again.
• 22:27
  Speaker C: I actually remembered that. I think I forgotten. The cake is still in my trunk.
• 22:31
  Speaker B: No, it's not. At least it's cold out. Oh, my God. It's not stolen your trunk. So what's worth your time? The cake? No, I had big plans.
• 22:38
  Speaker C: We were gonna do a food fight with the cake.
• 22:40
  Speaker B: Oh, my God.
• 22:40
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 22:41
  Speaker B: No, that's gonna be worth your time.
• 22:43
  Speaker C: Was gonna be outside, but then I didn. Thank God.
• 22:47
  Speaker B: So throw it out. I can't believe you're walking out here. Oh, my God, that is so funny. But anyway, let's get into the episode because my husband's going to kill us if this is, like, longer than a half hour. Okay. We're talking about how many episodes do you think it's going to fudgeing take to make our podcast blow the fuck up? Like, what is it going to take for us? What does it actually take for a mom podcast duo?
• 23:10
  Speaker C: I don't know, because I feel like we're grinding and we're very, very close. We're so close.
• 23:15
  Speaker B: Are we? Do you feel like we're very, very close?
• 23:17
  Speaker C: I feel like we're close to, like, some kind of break.
• 23:19
  Speaker B: I mean, we're recording during nap time. We're rescheduling because kids are sick. We're editing. My husband's editing at midnight.
• 23:25
  Speaker C: Like.
• 23:26
  Speaker B: Like, nobody tells you how much work a podcast really is. Like, people think we just like. I feel like people don't see it until they actually walk in my house and then, like, see them.
• 23:34
  Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, you have a setup, right? And you're like.
• 23:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, they think we're like, they're just like, picking up our microphones and talking. It takes so much more planning and doing and scheduling. Like, it's just.
• 23:45
  Speaker C: I mean, and especially because we're working with two. Like, we're working. We're trying to schedule my family and your family to come here.
• 23:53
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's like, it's hard to get two families on board. Like, it's hard to schedule your time around my time. My time around your time, my husband's time. Who's watching your kids? Who's watching mine? Like, my dog is barking. Like, there's so many schedules we have to make sure fit. Yeah, it's not that easy.
• 24:13
  Speaker C: It's not that easy, especially with two people. But I feel like we're. We're. We're doing it.
• 24:16
  Speaker B: Yeah, we are. And I feel like. Like, I want to ask you, like, why do you think. And I'm asking you because, like, I need to know myself. Like, why do you think Ma. Like, a mom podcast actually works? Like, what makes it so, like.
• 24:28
  Speaker C: Well, I think from your perspective.
• 24:31
  Speaker B: Like, I never asked you that.
• 24:34
  Speaker C: I think. Cause moms, as people sometimes feel very isolated. And if you can just get that one outlet of listening to momma cock for 20 minutes and if we make you laugh or you can relate to something that we said, I feel like that goes a long way. And I feel like the mom community really needs that little niche of a mom podcast. I don't know before we started this, if I didn't really. I mean, I did not know much about podcasts in general except for Call her Daddy, but now I am. And I just feel like if I. If I found a mom podcast like this, I would be. I would. I would be. I would be plugged in. I agree.
• 25:12
  Speaker B: You know why I would. If you want to ask me the same question.
• 25:14
  Speaker C: Yeah, sure. Let me ask you. Bring it back.
• 25:16
  Speaker B: I feel like I like to relate. Like, I want to hear you go through something and me be like, oh, my God, I did too, and I reacted the same way. I feel like I'm not alone. I like that we can relate all that. Like, I feel like chaos is, like, authentic. So see, like, the real life stories would make me more engaged, and I feel like we do that.
• 25:36
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah, Misery loves company. I love to hear other people failing.
• 25:41
  Speaker B: I feel my nose. This is torture. Like, if I don't make it big after being sick on this podcast, my makeup is atrocious. Don't do a close up of my nose.
• 25:51
  Speaker C: Your nose is very red.
• 25:52
  Speaker B: Is it turned off?
• 25:53
  Speaker C: The red nose Reindeer.
• 25:55
  Speaker B: I can't. So I just feel like, like, back to just being two moms. Like, I feel like there's two different moods. Like, me and you have. Like, we have to. Like, sometimes I like what you do and what. Like, I was. Like, you are not doing it right. And, like, you probably say the same to me. Like, I can't keep up with what she's doing. Like, we're two different people. So that's also hard to have like two moms. You know what I mean? So one person's ready, the other person, like, today I'm like ready to go. My schedule was perfect. Like, I had my babysitter, she was coming between an hours. Like, she wasn't going to be here. She was going to be at a playground. Playground. You're gonna be at like a play place. And then you had a delayed opening. Your babysitter couldn't get her car outta the snow. That's a. Yeah. That's troublesome for a podcast with two moms.
• 26:37
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 26:37
  Speaker B: So that's shit we have to deal with also.
• 26:39
  Speaker C: Yeah. But I do think that it is. Like, I just. I said this to you before. Like, I was obviously, things happen. Like. Like my babysitter couldn't get there in time. My kids had a delayed opening. I couldn't go to my 9am appointment that I was gonna do before this. And it's just like, things happen. And. But having a mom podcast, it's great because, like, we can kind of like make it work for us. And also then we can talk about the shit that we just went through 10 minutes ago.
• 27:07
  Speaker B: We could talk about, like, how we can make it better.
• 27:08
  Speaker C: Right? Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker B: Like when there's two of you, you could bounce off of each other.
• 27:11
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker B: And I feel like to go off of that, like, this is gonna be like a real mom moment. Like, you have to do this with someone you trust. And I feel like we trust each other so much.
• 27:19
  Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker B: Whether we have good days or bad days, whether your kids are sick, whether we have to pause for like a podcast. Pause for like mental. Like, we just need a mental reset. Like, we trust each other so much that we'll be like, okay, like, that's fine. Like, let's talk about it, what we should do. Let's come up with a solution.
• 27:35
  Speaker C: And I think that's a good point. Like, I don't think I could do this with probably. I mean, I don't think I can do this with anyone else. But I do think we play off each other very well. Like our moods, our vibes. Like, I just think that it takes a lot to work together. And. And also, like, we talk about resentment with our husbands. Like, you can. We can have resentment towards each other. Right? We. I mean, I don't right now.
• 27:57
  Speaker B: I absolutely don't. But we can have moments where we resent. Like, we are in a business technically. This is not just fun and games does, like, this is like, serious. Yeah, I know. Like, we talk about fun shit. We seem like so happy. Good, lucky. But we're trying to make a business out of it. Trying and make it our job.
• 28:12
  Speaker C: Yes.
• 28:13
  Speaker B: And I feel like we're diving so deep into that and it's tough. Like, we. I don't know what I was trying to say. And I'm losing my training.
• 28:22
  Speaker C: No, like, do you know what I'm trying to say? Just like being in business with anybody, like, you have to really try. Like, no scorekeeping, no resentment. No, like, you gotta really work through those things. Because, I mean, if you come 30%,
• 28:33
  Speaker B: I gotta come 70.
• 28:33
  Speaker C: Right.
• 28:34
  Speaker B: You know what I mean?
• 28:34
  Speaker C: You have to work together and come to 100% together. Yeah.
• 28:39
  Speaker B: But I'm saying that because I feel like we're talking about this because we want to be on Netflix.
• 28:47
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 28:47
  Speaker B: And people are like, okay, guys, relax. Like, no, no. When someone talks to me about this podcast, like, I'm not joking around.
• 28:54
  Speaker C: I mean, if you think.
• 28:55
  Speaker B: Whatever it takes.
• 28:56
  Speaker C: Where we started, we are. We have over 2, 500 followers followers on Instagram. We have almost 4,000 subscribers on YouTube. On YouTube. Like, we've come a long way so far.
• 29:08
  Speaker B: It has not even been started the end of April. It's at the end of February. And we. And we forget that, like, our social media manager, Rebecca, just mentioned this. That's you guys. Like, even though you have only quote unquote, 100 views on YouTube, that's a hundred people listening. Do you even know 100 people?
• 29:26
  Speaker C: Right? No. Like, that you could name, right? That's, that's. That's a lot of people sitting down and listening.
• 29:32
  Speaker B: Listening to the podcast.
• 29:33
  Speaker C: Right?
• 29:33
  Speaker B: Which. Mentioning YouTube. Please listen to us on YouTube. We are hitting.
• 29:38
  Speaker A: It's like this.
• 29:39
  Speaker B: It's crazy.
• 29:40
  Speaker C: We have to hit like a certain amount of.
• 29:42
  Speaker B: And it goes away the new year, like, once you hit full cycle of one year. So we need a lot of views on YouTube. So if you don't listen on YouTube, please start listening on YouTube for the next couple months. Anywho, back to what I was saying. Like, the grind that nobody talks about, like recording. Sick.
• 29:58
  Speaker C: Hello.
• 29:58
  Speaker B: I am so sick right now. All I want to do is lay in bed. Not only that, I have to be a mom and I have a job to do. So here I am talking with the Rudolph, the red nose, reindeer nose.
• 30:07
  Speaker C: Is there anything worse than being sick as a mom?
• 30:09
  Speaker B: No, actually, nothing worse than being sick as a mom.
• 30:12
  Speaker C: You just want to let.
• 30:13
  Speaker B: And I have no one here to help me. Thank goodness for my husband. He stayed home the snow day Was Monday, so he was home. Oh, then yesterday he stayed home because I just. I was doing it. He was working downstairs. I was doing the mom thing. But, like, knowing that he was here kind of made me feel better. I'm like, I. I like to power through, but I don't like being sick. Like, I just don't. And I'm. I feel awful.
• 30:34
  Speaker C: I always feel like sometimes when I'm really sick, I just want my mom. Like, I just want.
• 30:38
  Speaker B: I want someone to take care of me.
• 30:39
  Speaker C: Can someone please take care of me?
• 30:41
  Speaker B: But, like, we have to still do content and we have to post even more. We're exhausted and we have to do social media. We have to learn editing. We have to, like, question all these things, but, like, still show up. We can have bad days. We still have to show up.
• 30:56
  Speaker C: Like, and I know that everyone, like, I always, like, thought, like, everyone wants overnight success. Right? But, like, that doesn't happen. We're grinding, we're hustling. Like, we will get there, but it doesn't just happen overnight. And I think it does take a community and it takes us working together. And, like, we have our village behind us, thank God. Like, we're very, very, very lucky to have the people that we have.
• 31:17
  Speaker B: And I gotta give it to us. Like, we're very dedicated.
• 31:19
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 31:19
  Speaker B: I mean, we're like half podcast hosts, half unpaid marketing team. I don't know. I don't know anything about a podcast. I know nothing about marketing. So here I am.
• 31:28
  Speaker C: I know nothing about both, but I
• 31:29
  Speaker B: feel like it means.
• 31:30
  Speaker C: But I know a lot about being a mom, and I think that's what I counts.
• 31:33
  Speaker B: Totally. You're a good mom, and that's what counts.
• 31:35
  Speaker C: And so are you.
• 31:36
  Speaker B: Thank you. So I feel like, how do we get the word out about us? Like, if you're fucking listening, tell your family, tell your friends, tell your mothers.
• 31:44
  Speaker C: I think we're just waiting for the algorithm to figure it. Figure us out. No, literally, the fucking algorithms.
• 31:51
  Speaker B: We're literally waiting for the algorithm.
• 31:52
  Speaker C: But. But it does happen. I mean, it's crazy. If you. If you look at something like, I mean, Even you on TikTok, like, you had what, one video that went 5 million views? Yeah. With over 3,000 comments. And then you. You boosted your. Your. Yeah. So, I mean, it could happen, but
• 32:10
  Speaker B: people want to continue watching you. So. Yeah, consistency sounds boring.
• 32:14
  Speaker C: Right?
• 32:14
  Speaker B: But it works, right? You have to just be consistent.
• 32:17
  Speaker C: I mean, we've said to each other so many times, I'm fucking sick of us.
• 32:21
  Speaker B: Sick of us.
• 32:22
  Speaker C: I hate Like, I hate us. I don't want to hear us.
• 32:24
  Speaker B: Nope.
• 32:25
  Speaker C: Do we want to talk anymore?
• 32:26
  Speaker B: Shut our mouth.
• 32:27
  Speaker C: Shut the fuck up. But I hope that people don't feel that way. I mean, maybe they do, but some just know that sometimes we hate us too.
• 32:34
  Speaker B: Don't worry. We hate us too. But I feel like we have. It's not about perfection with us. It's about our personalities. And I feel like people love that.
• 32:42
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker B: Like, they're not like, oh, my God. Aesthetic, perfect.
• 32:44
  Speaker C: Cute.
• 32:45
  Speaker B: They're like, oh, my God. They're so imperfect that they're perfect.
• 32:48
  Speaker C: Yeah. And I just feel like we're relatable.
• 32:50
  Speaker B: Like, relatable.
• 32:50
  Speaker C: We're not.
• 32:52
  Speaker B: People connect to people. Not, like production quality. You know what I mean?
• 32:56
  Speaker C: Yeah. But we'll get that.
• 32:58
  Speaker B: We'll get that one day. We're gonna have somebody who fucking sets the shit up for us. That's what I want.
• 33:03
  Speaker C: Same.
• 33:03
  Speaker B: You know, I just feel like we're just waiting to make it, and we're building it. You know what I mean?
• 33:09
  Speaker C: And I think we're doing a goddamn good job.
• 33:11
  Speaker B: We're grinding, and it's.
• 33:13
  Speaker C: It.
• 33:13
  Speaker B: The best is yet to come, and we're gonna hit the jackpot. I already see it coming. I just know.
• 33:19
  Speaker C: Yeah. I'm feeling. It's close. One hit wonder.
• 33:23
  Speaker B: But let's play a little game.
• 33:24
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 33:24
  Speaker B: And we could. We could kind of end with that.
• 33:26
  Speaker C: What's. What's our game?
• 33:27
  Speaker B: I'm gonna play a game with you since you always play with me.
• 33:29
  Speaker C: Okay. Play with me, baby.
• 33:30
  Speaker B: We're gonna do, like, a podcast. Mob duo edition.
• 33:33
  Speaker C: Okay.
• 33:34
  Speaker B: So I'm gonna give you, like, a this or that, and you tell me, like, what you would rather do.
• 33:39
  Speaker C: What I'd rather do.
• 33:40
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so record tired or record sick?
• 33:44
  Speaker C: Record tired.
• 33:45
  Speaker B: You rather record tired?
• 33:47
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 33:48
  Speaker C: You'd rather record sick?
• 33:49
  Speaker B: I think I'd rather record sick because when I'm tired, I'm fucking tired.
• 33:52
  Speaker C: I'm always tired.
• 33:55
  Speaker B: Okay, so would you rather have a viral clip or an uninterrupted sleep?
• 34:04
  Speaker C: Oh, I think a viral clip now, because, like, sleep. I've never had an uninterrupted sleep in five years.
• 34:11
  Speaker B: So you're used to it, right? Who checks analytics more?
• 34:13
  Speaker C: Me, I like, will text her, be like, oh, my God, did you see? I like. I like the numbers, weirdo.
• 34:19
  Speaker B: Maybe you should have married my husband. Numbers. Who says one more take? I totally say one more take. You're like, what? It's on. That's so fudgeing funny.
• 34:30
  Speaker C: Well, you are, like, the producer in the content.
• 34:34
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker C: And I will just do as she says. She get. Says, get on your knees. I fucking get on my knees.
• 34:38
  Speaker B: You're like, you hate every bit of it, but I gotta give it to you. Do. Do it.
• 34:41
  Speaker C: Yeah. Like, if anybody knows me, they know that. Like.
• 34:45
  Speaker B: And I'm like, this is your job.
• 34:46
  Speaker C: You have to do this, and it's fine. And, like, I'm here for it. But if anybody knows me, they know that, like, I hide behind cameras. Like, I actually do.
• 34:53
  Speaker B: You hide behind no cameras. Like, what do you mean? You're, like, in public, you just hide.
• 34:56
  Speaker C: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker B: Where's Emily?
• 34:57
  Speaker C: Right? I hide. I don't. I'm really. I'm. I am an introvert, but I actually told somebody the other day that I was an introvert, and they were like, you're not an introvert.
• 35:07
  Speaker B: You're not. You, like, pretend that you am. Like, you.
• 35:09
  Speaker C: Like, my insides are crawling when I'm talking to you.
• 35:12
  Speaker B: Pretend like you don't know how to do things and you're actually really good at things.
• 35:16
  Speaker C: Well, I don't know.
• 35:17
  Speaker B: And I hate that, so don't do that anymore.
• 35:19
  Speaker C: All right, I'll stop pretending.
• 35:20
  Speaker B: I'm not pretending anyway, just to close this shit out. If you've been here since the beginning, you're part of this. When it hits, I'm just letting you know. I've clocked. Yeah, I've clocked who's been here since the jump. Just let everybody know. Same.
• 35:35
  Speaker C: And who hasn't?
• 35:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, I've also clocked that. Anyway, don't forget to follow, Share with the mom friend and tag us when you're listening. Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube in large font.
• 35:50
  Speaker C: YouTube, subscribe.
• 35:53
  Speaker B: Remember, when we subscribe, remember, like, we're not pointing the right direction. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed this episode. We really want to make it big. So if anybody's listening out there that wants to sponsor us, let us know. We're open to anybody. Okay? Love you.
• 36:06
  Speaker C: Bye, Sam.