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DEPREACIATION APPRECIATION? MSHSAA Championship Factor Update Reaction · Gateway Sports Venue Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gateway Sports Venue Show. It's been
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Speaker 1: a few months. We've been doing our own stuff covering
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Speaker 1: Spring sports, which is now over, and we've just been
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Speaker 1: busy with other stuff and had a nice, lovely in
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Speaker 1: June of not doing a whole lot, which has been great.
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Speaker 1: But pretty soon we're going to get in the back
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Speaker 1: in the thick of things. I'm John Huff joined by
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Speaker 1: Roman Bishop and this podcast. We have some news to
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Speaker 1: share regarding Misha and it's exciting news because it's made
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Speaker 1: a lot of people in state kind of sit up
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Speaker 1: and listen and take notice. So this new update that
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Speaker 1: Misha has sent out, which was about a week ago now,
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Speaker 1: it is an updated version of the Championship success Factor
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Speaker 1: for private schools throughout the States, and it's essentially an
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Speaker 1: updated points system. But the big key here is that
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Speaker 1: for a long time, well for about I think the
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Speaker 1: last six years, it was you could only move up
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Speaker 1: two classes if you won like state titles on most
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Speaker 1: two classes and had playoff points. Now they've they've what
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Speaker 1: they've done now is set an unlimited amount of class jumps,
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Speaker 1: essentially like you can move up three classes four classes,
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Speaker 1: give or take. But like Roman you have. You have
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Speaker 1: a link to the article and the description of it.
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Speaker 1: Set up quete up for us. Yep.
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Speaker 2: So this is the MISSA Board leading summary from June
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Speaker 2: fourteenth through sixteenth. This is just last a couple weeks ago, got.
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Speaker 1: Released less than a week lesson a week ago, I think.
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Speaker 2: And so again nothing changed for public schools. Everything's just
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Speaker 2: based off or on them.
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Speaker 1: We cannot stress that enough. There's a lot of people
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Speaker 1: out there who think this applies to all schools.
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Speaker 3: It's it's always just been private schools.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So the board adopted a depreciating model for
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Speaker 2: the crewal of championship factor points. So I think this
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Speaker 2: is the first note I thinking that gets overlooked and
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Speaker 2: that so say, for example, Vianni, they were stuck and
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Speaker 2: was it class six for a while class it was
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Speaker 2: their in class six for a wild football we're talking
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Speaker 2: for football because they had one state twice with the
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Speaker 2: Kyle Williams teams.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then one I believe a district championship in
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Speaker 1: there too.
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Speaker 2: And so even though after him and his teammates had
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Speaker 2: graduated and the team got significantly worse because they had
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Speaker 2: one state within the past six years twice, that was
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Speaker 2: that kept them up even though they weren't as good and.
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Speaker 3: The I think that's probably the best example for this
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Speaker 3: right here.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And so the year after they won state, it
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Speaker 2: was ten points for their classification bump, which he'll bump
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Speaker 2: them up. And the next year it was ten points,
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Speaker 2: and the year after it was ten points. So even
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Speaker 2: though that state championship was getting older and older, it
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Speaker 2: was still the number of points added to their total
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Speaker 2: of getting bumped up, if that makes sense. So now
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Speaker 2: it's a depreciating model.
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Speaker 3: In other words, the numbers shrink, yes, so after each year.
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Speaker 2: So if you win state the previous year, it adds
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Speaker 2: ten points to your total. But if your state championship
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Speaker 2: was from two seasons ago, it's seven. Three seasons ago
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Speaker 2: as five fours four five seams ago three points. Six
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Speaker 2: seasons ago is one point, So it's no longer you
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Speaker 2: get potentially dragged up from one crazy good team five
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Speaker 2: years ago. That's likely not going to happen anymore, unless
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Speaker 2: you had a weird in moment case there, which I
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Speaker 2: think is fair. I think that that was necessary. And
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Speaker 2: it wasn't just the Eyian football that that got hit
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Speaker 2: by that. There were some other schools and other sports
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Speaker 2: that didn't need to be bumped up, and they were
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Speaker 2: only because they like St.
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Speaker 1: Dominic made two really good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Saint Donal's going to be in class and
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Speaker 2: they should be in class six. The biggest co ed
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Speaker 2: private school in the state. I mean, I feel like
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Speaker 2: that warrants classic status right now.
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Speaker 1: They're in classify if they were enrollment, but I think
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Speaker 1: maybe I don't know how soon. But they, I mean,
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Speaker 1: their Roman has been growing for a long a while
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Speaker 1: now every year.
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Speaker 2: I do want to shout out Misser here. They so well.
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Speaker 2: I well number one I was gonna say. They laid
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Speaker 2: it out very concisely and easy to read on their website.
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Speaker 2: You just go to the Mission website and look at
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Speaker 2: the Mission news section from the June board meeting. It's
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Speaker 2: very simple to read. They have a little chart for
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Speaker 2: you on there. Very anyone can understand what's going on,
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Speaker 2: which is very nice. And I do appreciate the depreciating
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Speaker 2: point and value system.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't like that.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, look I'm not I'm not I'm not a
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Speaker 2: private school. I'm not trying to just vouch for private schools.
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Speaker 2: But it was it was unfair. See some private schools
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Speaker 2: get the short end of the sticks simply because they
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Speaker 2: had one, one or two really good teams a while ago.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, but it was really kind of few
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Speaker 3: and far between for the most part.
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Speaker 1: Though, for the most part.
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Speaker 2: I think the model is good. I think if I
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Speaker 2: was in charge, I would tweak the points a little
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Speaker 2: bit so it would just depreciate less. Like it would
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Speaker 2: go instead of ten seven five four three one, it
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Speaker 2: would go ten eight six five.
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Speaker 1: Or you know, like like like an even number. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, or just ten eight six four to two.
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Speaker 2: No, I'm not then the number self doesn't went matter.
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying it wouldn't appreciate as quickly. That's what
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to say.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it depreciates a little too quick.
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Speaker 1: And then there's a there's a second part, which is
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Speaker 1: the there are new thresholds.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for points, for points to stay and then go up.
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Speaker 2: Yes, So for say, for example, if you and this
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Speaker 2: isn't any sport, if you if you're a private school
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Speaker 2: in your program just won the state championship, they will
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Speaker 2: automatically be bumped up one class the next season.
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Speaker 1: I like that, which is good the logic is good.
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Speaker 2: There, yes, and the next season as well, because in
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Speaker 2: the season after that. So if you win state in
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Speaker 2: a sport, because it's five to ten points one class above.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so if you win state in a sport.
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Speaker 2: You will automatically say if you're wrong, home rooman puts
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Speaker 2: you in class two for that sport, you will automatically
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Speaker 2: be in class three the next three seasons. Even if
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Speaker 2: you're terrible, the next three seasons all class three.
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Speaker 3: Well, the next two seasons technically.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, And then eleven to seventeen points you
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Speaker 2: reclassified two classes above, eighteen to twenty two you reclassified
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Speaker 2: three classes above your wrong moment, twenty three to twenty
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Speaker 2: six points you reclassified four classes above your wone moment,
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Speaker 2: and then twenty seven more points you are reclassified five
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Speaker 2: classes above your wrong moment. That that would be an
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Speaker 2: extremely rare case.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that would ever happen. I don't think
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Speaker 3: that's ever got to happen.
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Speaker 2: I mean, football is the only football, basketball the only
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Speaker 2: sports with six classes, right.
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Speaker 3: Yes, well baseball baseball's got six.
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Speaker 2: So football and basketball and baseball, you think those are
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Speaker 2: the only three you would have to pretty much win
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Speaker 2: State four years in a row. Yeah, for that to happen,
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Speaker 2: so mm hmm, which means that you have to win
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Speaker 2: state in class one and then when stay in class two,
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Speaker 2: and then when stay in Class three, class four, So
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Speaker 2: that would be ever happened, that would be an insane
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Speaker 2: case if of class one school got bumped up. I
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Speaker 2: mean maybe if Principia Basketball has that's crazy. That is
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Speaker 2: Principia Basketball might actually do it, which is funny.
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Speaker 1: Maybe actually that's crazy because I mean, right now, they
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Speaker 1: were well in a row, right, they were well eclipped
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Speaker 1: equipped last year to win I mean state in class six.
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Speaker 3: I mean they were the best team in the state
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Speaker 3: last scuse they.
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Speaker 1: Got a like Quentin Coleman is going to be a
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Speaker 1: probably going to be a starting guard for Illinois, and
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Speaker 1: he was a five star yea, they had him on
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Speaker 1: their team last.
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Speaker 3: Year and with a bunch of other really good players too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they yeah, that's and they added Tyranne Fraser
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Speaker 1: who's former Hazel Ates player. He's a four star and
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Speaker 1: he's back in Saint Louis and he transferred to Principia.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, they have a ton of height.
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Speaker 2: Well here here's the thing. If you are a one
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Speaker 2: thing I have to take away from this. If you're
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Speaker 2: a perennial Final four team and you're a.
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Speaker 1: Sport and you're in a private school and you're a
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Speaker 1: private school, yes, yeah.
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Speaker 2: If you're a private school and you're a perennial final
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Speaker 2: four team, you will always be right at ten points.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So you will always be bumped up just one class
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Speaker 2: at least, which I think is good if you if
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Speaker 2: you're stuck at the final four, you're still a great program.
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Speaker 2: You can go up a class and you can compete.
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Speaker 2: So I again, I like this model. I think it's good.
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Speaker 2: I think they could tweak the points a bit, but
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to complain it at all. I like
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Speaker 2: what they're doing here. They really are trying to make.
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Speaker 1: It a little bit more fair for that's the bottom line,
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Speaker 1: I think, or the silver lining. It's they're trying to
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Speaker 1: make it more fair for private schools, or at least
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Speaker 1: maybe I mean they haven't said that, but based on
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Speaker 1: what this model has been has showed, it looks like
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Speaker 1: they're trying to help out the private schools a little bit.
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Speaker 2: So this is a quote from this website. This is
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Speaker 2: a first step towards continuing to examine competitive equity more
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Speaker 2: closely in an effort to be responsive to our member schools.
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Speaker 2: Mister Executive Director, Doctor Jennifer Ruckstad said, our conversations will
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Speaker 2: continue this fall as we explore additional ways to provide
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Speaker 2: fairness and equity within a diverse membership. Which is I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's that's fair. I mean, you got you know the
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Speaker 2: big areas like Saint Louis and Kansas City, Saint Louis
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Speaker 2: more than Kansas City having a ton of private schools
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Speaker 2: that some of them are better at their own individual sports.
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Speaker 2: You know, we think Principia basketball, Colin the Ritter football
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Speaker 2: and track and field, you know, not in on the
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Speaker 2: Missouri side, but yet do you think of Foder McGivney
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Speaker 2: and Illinois. Sure, it's really good at baseball for whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Smell Smeth basketball and then Saint Dominic baseball. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean State.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's good that they're I mean, and they
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Speaker 2: already were separating by each sport, but it's it's good
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Speaker 2: that they're keeping that.
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Speaker 1: For instance, here's I know that just because I was
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Speaker 1: given a note because of this, like one drastic drop
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Speaker 1: is John Burrows and soccer. I think I believe they
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Speaker 1: they were in class four, which is the biggest class
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Speaker 1: in soccer.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna go all the way down the class one.
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So that's that's one drastic shift right there.
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Speaker 3: And and I don't remember.
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Speaker 2: Yes, they're also gonna in class we'll get in.
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Speaker 3: We'll get into this right now.
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Speaker 1: So Misha, they said, like by no later than I
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Speaker 1: think July fifteenth or something.
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Speaker 2: It was like middle of July July fifteenth. Yes, and
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Speaker 2: the website will be updated.
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Speaker 1: So we've updated it for you already.
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Speaker 2: Breaking news for you here. Yes, we got it early.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so for football, and we're gonna go on total
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Speaker 1: overall points st sorry Carter. They have fifteen points. That
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Speaker 1: puts them. It doesn't change where they would have been
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Speaker 1: because they.
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Speaker 2: Still they would have been in class three on wrong moment, right.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and then class five. So the two class jump
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Speaker 1: with the points they have. Now here's this, So if
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Speaker 1: Cardinal Ritter, if they were to get to the state
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Speaker 1: championship game, if they make it to the state championship
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Speaker 1: game this season, they will go to Class six next year.
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Speaker 1: Because I already did the calculations with their points because
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Speaker 1: they're gonna you know, every year you lose points and
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Speaker 1: then but you can also gain points.
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Speaker 3: They do gain more points, so.
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Speaker 2: That would they would gain more than they would lose, Yes.
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Speaker 3: And that would put them in Class six for next season.
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Speaker 1: So I mean that's some good news for you know,
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Speaker 1: teams that are competing around them, because like you know, hey,
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Speaker 1: they get to avoid you know, Ridder for at least
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Speaker 1: one season. And so that's where that can work out.
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Speaker 1: You know, if there's a really really good private school
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Speaker 1: who's just overpowering, you know, this gives them that opportunity
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Speaker 1: to eventually still go up and another class. Saint Mary's
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Speaker 1: on thirteen points, they were assuming their raw enrollment has
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Speaker 1: them in class two probably so they would still be
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Speaker 1: in class four, and so that they would event they
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Speaker 1: would stay put in class four where they already wore.
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Speaker 1: CBC has twelve points and I don't even think they
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Speaker 1: need it, and.
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Speaker 2: The CBC's romans so high they'll be in class six forever.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they even I mean effectively, the
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Speaker 1: success factor doesn't really do anything for them. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think CBC and slew high. I think they
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Speaker 2: had the highest enrollments in the MCC and I think
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Speaker 2: they will be in class six in perpetuity.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: Lift for Life is eleven points. They make the two
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Speaker 1: class jump to class four because they're on Romans in
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Speaker 1: class two and that was gonna happen anyway before this
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Speaker 1: whole announcement.
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Speaker 3: So Lift for Life they will be in class four.
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Speaker 3: De smets, this is.
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Speaker 1: I need, I need?
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Speaker 2: Can I kind of cut off quick? Yes, charter schools
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Speaker 2: do count. Yes for life is included in this. Some
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Speaker 2: people don't, aren't worry of that is I think the
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Speaker 2: phrasing was private to parochial and charter schools. This applies
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Speaker 2: to Yes, That's why we had to mention live for life.
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Speaker 1: There you go. So, uh, this SMET. I believe they're
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Speaker 1: enrollmant Ron Rollman has them in class five. So that's
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Speaker 1: a team potentially where that they could one day.
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Speaker 3: Be in class five potentially.
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Speaker 2: This SMET football.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean if they don't, if they don't keep up.
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Speaker 2: With that point, they would they would they would need
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Speaker 2: to get some bad district draws and not win districts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's that's the reality right now. Halaias Catholic. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they have ten points. They were in classics last season,
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Speaker 1: but they will go down to Class five this year.
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Speaker 1: So I would believe they would go into like Class
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Speaker 1: five District five right there and be one of the
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Speaker 1: favorites there. Lutheran North they would have been, if I'm
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Speaker 1: not mistaken, Lutheran North would have been in Class.
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Speaker 3: Four this coming season.
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Speaker 1: However, at nine points, now they go back down the
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Speaker 1: Class three and that's.
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Speaker 3: That's big for them too, because that's a team where
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Speaker 3: I think, no, I think they were in Class three
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Speaker 3: last year. I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: They the Lutheran North in the in the in this calculation.
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Speaker 2: Uh wait, last year they were in they were in
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Speaker 2: class four last year.
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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so they would have been in Class four
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Speaker 1: and now but they go back down the Class three
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Speaker 1: and they're actually gonna have a They should have a
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Speaker 1: better team this year too.
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, in the past six seasons, Lutheran
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Speaker 2: North has two final fours and one state championship.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So, so Saint Pass X from Festus they have seven points,
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Speaker 1: and because that's a fresh seven, they're gonna run up
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Speaker 1: last year. Yes they did. So they're in Class three
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Speaker 1: and that was gonna happen no matter what. So there
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Speaker 1: there you go, As Roman mutes his phone, I've been
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Speaker 1: guilty that maintime was professional here Valley Catholic has six points.
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Speaker 1: That's only good enough for one a one bump, so
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Speaker 1: they will be in Class two. I think that's fair.
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Speaker 1: They like that. They mean they've they've been a lot
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Speaker 1: more successful competing in class two.
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Speaker 2: They should not. They should never be in Class one
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Speaker 2: and they should never be in Class four higher. In
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Speaker 2: my opinion, I think class twos get fired last.
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Speaker 1: They keep winning unless they keep winning and believe it
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Speaker 1: or not.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Valley Cathy, they don't have as much.
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Speaker 1: Points as probably what people would have assumed just because
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Speaker 1: they've they've had the.
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Speaker 2: Because well they got bumped up to class two that
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Speaker 2: was like what ten years ago.
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they've done really well.
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Speaker 2: If they have done well, they they weren't on, you
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Speaker 2: know as in seeing them a run as they were
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Speaker 2: in Class one, right, which they're still doing very good
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Speaker 2: in class they are Class three, not so much.
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Speaker 1: They've kind of met their match in Class three. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Saint Vincent, I forget where they're from. I think they're
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Speaker 1: in central Missouri. No. St.
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Speaker 2: Vincent's down south. I think Vincent's a little north of
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Speaker 2: Cape Garda. I could bear wrong.
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Speaker 1: Okay, check, all right, Well they have five points and
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Speaker 1: they're in class two, so they're Class one ron rollmoth.
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Speaker 3: Lutheran Saint Charles vin Perryville.
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Speaker 1: Okay, they will finally be back in class three that
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Speaker 1: is their raw enrollments. So that's that's really good news
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Speaker 1: for them because they've been about, like them winning state
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Speaker 1: and then kind of not been able to replicate the
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Speaker 1: success they have, especially with like the D one not
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Speaker 1: having a whole lot of D one players come through
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Speaker 1: their program. That's a big welcome sign for them. So
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Speaker 1: Lutheran Saint Charles definitely benefits with this m I CDs.
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Speaker 1: This is probably the most drastic one, one of the
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Speaker 1: most drastic ones. They were in Class five for the
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Speaker 1: past four seasons, rightfully so because they earned it getting
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Speaker 1: the playoff points. They only have three points and they
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Speaker 1: go all the way down the class three that is
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Speaker 1: their raw enrollment, and all of a sudden, it'd be
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Speaker 1: interesting only.
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Speaker 2: Having three points. Kind of crazy because you got they
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Speaker 2: were state running up in twenty twenty but which is
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Speaker 2: no zero points. Yeah, and then in twenty twenty one
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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty two, their Final four teams No.
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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two their quarterfinals and they know they no
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Speaker 1: longer have any points from twenty only twenty two because
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Speaker 1: they only won districts. Yeah, and they lost the ritter
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Speaker 1: and the.
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Speaker 2: Uh so, see it depreciates quick it does. It appreciates
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Speaker 2: very quickly.
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Speaker 3: It really it's almost like a four year window in
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Speaker 3: a way.
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Speaker 2: It pretty much is a four year window because only
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Speaker 2: the state championship and state runner up go past the
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Speaker 2: four years. Yeah, the district championship after three years at
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Speaker 2: zero and then Final four after four years at zero.
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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, I mean, the Rams as
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Speaker 1: long as like they're there's a good chance they'll probably
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Speaker 1: be in the same district as like Luther.
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Speaker 2: North Ohnatur League double hudder potentially.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's that'll be for historical purposes. That
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Speaker 3: would be pretty cool.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it might see the yes, very much a
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Speaker 1: small school thoroughly once again right now too, and they
17:46
Speaker 1: probably need it right now because this is for them.
17:49
Speaker 3: This is a good year. Probably go down the Class
17:51
Speaker 3: three Saint Dominic.
17:53
Speaker 1: They have three points, so everybody now that I'm gonna mention,
17:56
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in there all in their Row enrollment
17:59
Speaker 1: like Saint Dominic. And then another another big time team
18:02
Speaker 1: that's going out in Class three is Saint Pius X
18:04
Speaker 1: from Kansas City, and they got one of the big
18:08
Speaker 1: best recruits in the state. I think Tyler Kuhn. He's
18:11
Speaker 1: a lineman going to Missoo. Yeah, I think I heard
18:15
Speaker 1: about that.
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Speaker 3: That's his name.
18:16
Speaker 1: I know his last name is Kuhn, but yeah, he's
18:19
Speaker 1: and they got they got numerous D one players in
18:22
Speaker 1: their program. And you know, they had the unenviable task
18:25
Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons of being the same district
18:28
Speaker 1: with Platte County and uh yeah, so did not farewell
18:32
Speaker 1: against them. And I think actually actually I think and
18:34
Speaker 1: they even lost to Rockhurst last year, which was also
18:36
Speaker 1: really tough to go up against Rockhurst as things stand
18:40
Speaker 1: during classified, but there's a really there's a decent chance
18:42
Speaker 1: they go up. They move up in the Class six
18:44
Speaker 1: with their enrollments, and that, by the way, as a
18:48
Speaker 1: team to look out for, they're gonna be one of
18:49
Speaker 1: the best teams in the state. So like Shamana, they're
18:52
Speaker 1: back in Class four. Westminster's back in Class four. They
18:55
Speaker 1: had been back in Class four, minds you. And then
18:57
Speaker 1: Duschan they'll be back in class three. So it's this
19:02
Speaker 1: thing mostly pegs teams down back to their rollman or
19:06
Speaker 1: at least down a class. So that's that's the main
19:11
Speaker 1: takeaway from this. And then since you know we follow
19:14
Speaker 1: basketball a lot, I also have the updated basketball.
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Speaker 3: Points for you guys. Yes, we have them.
19:25
Speaker 1: So Principia, this is the only team as far as
19:28
Speaker 1: football and basketball goes, they're gonna be moving up three
19:30
Speaker 1: classes back to back. They should, yes, and they will
19:36
Speaker 1: be going up in the class five and which.
19:40
Speaker 3: Still kind of sinks because they should be that. I mean,
19:42
Speaker 3: they're the best team of the seat arguably. I mean
19:44
Speaker 3: they should be in class six.
19:46
Speaker 2: So this is kind of when I wish Misha had
19:48
Speaker 2: what I actually say does where they will just manually
19:52
Speaker 2: remove team, like they will just switch teams if they
19:56
Speaker 2: have to, just by executive decision, like you know what,
19:58
Speaker 2: we're gonna move them here, deal with it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have heard though that Principia, they're in Rome,
20:03
Speaker 1: they expect their enrollmed to go up, like I like,
20:06
Speaker 1: I think maybe this year, but then that would take
20:08
Speaker 1: effect for next year then, so potentially they could be
20:12
Speaker 1: in classics in the near future de smet at fifteen points,
20:16
Speaker 1: they're in Class six. They stay Cardinal ritters fourteen points.
20:20
Speaker 1: They're still they still the two class bump. But if
20:23
Speaker 1: they I think they're I don't have that all updated completely,
20:28
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're they If they don't win a district
20:30
Speaker 1: and don't go far, I think they'll have to go
20:32
Speaker 1: back down to the Class five though, m I CDs
20:34
Speaker 1: for basketball, since they just won state and they won
20:37
Speaker 1: district the year prior, they will be in classics for basketball,
20:40
Speaker 1: believe it or not. So in football they're in Class three,
20:43
Speaker 1: and then for basketball they're.
20:44
Speaker 3: In Class six.
20:45
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I might say, I don't think they're quite
20:48
Speaker 1: happy that hap being in classics for basketball this season. Yeah,
20:54
Speaker 1: so Shamanad, they have nine points Shamanad. If they they potentially,
21:00
Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't keep if they don't keep winning,
21:02
Speaker 1: they could go down the Class five, because that's the
21:04
Speaker 1: we're on Rollmont.
21:06
Speaker 3: Just I mean it's possible, not likely, but possible.
21:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Vianni they're gonna be in classics for basketball
21:13
Speaker 1: since they just they want a district and they went
21:16
Speaker 1: to the final four a few years ago. So for
21:19
Speaker 1: at least this year they will be in Classics for
21:22
Speaker 1: basketball right there. And John Burrows they were in Classify
21:27
Speaker 1: the last just last year, but they're gonna go back
21:29
Speaker 1: down the Class four. Luther North will go back down
21:32
Speaker 1: the Class three. Westminster, who's been a really good team
21:34
Speaker 1: and they have one of the they've been one of
21:37
Speaker 1: the best small schools in the area, they're gonna go
21:39
Speaker 1: down the Class four.
21:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:42
Speaker 1: So that's another one of those big, big programs that
21:46
Speaker 1: will be moved down. And that's that's pretty much it
21:50
Speaker 1: for the most part right there. You know, it's been
21:53
Speaker 1: a a lot of people have been talking about this,
21:56
Speaker 1: and majority of the takes I've seen have been rather
22:01
Speaker 1: negative about this. You seem to be you seem to
22:04
Speaker 1: be in more in favor.
22:07
Speaker 2: I'm gonna consider myself neutral right now. You can't. You
22:09
Speaker 2: can't come out against this this hard right now because
22:12
Speaker 2: we haven't even experienced it yet. Yeah, let it. Let
22:14
Speaker 2: it happen for a couple of years. I promise you
22:17
Speaker 2: it'll probably it's not even that big of a change
22:19
Speaker 2: when we already had. So it's not like we're just
22:22
Speaker 2: totally recognite system, because we're not. How about we just
22:25
Speaker 2: be patient, see how it develops and if it's if
22:28
Speaker 2: it really is that bad, which I doubt it will be,
22:30
Speaker 2: but if it really is that bad for multiple sports,
22:33
Speaker 2: then mischie will change it. They they've been decent at
22:38
Speaker 2: stepping in when needed when it comes to classification stuff.
22:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too well for the I guess
22:44
Speaker 1: for the most part, okay, But.
22:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's okay. And then so this also
22:49
Speaker 2: says the ad hoc Committee on Competitive Equity will meet
22:52
Speaker 2: again in August, so they might tweak it points to
22:55
Speaker 2: a little bit. I don't know. I don't expect them
22:57
Speaker 2: to see anything that requires change from here to August
23:01
Speaker 2: when no events have been played. But I think it's
23:05
Speaker 2: a step in the right direction. And let let's not complain.
23:08
Speaker 2: That's pretty that's pretty a poor reflection on us if
23:11
Speaker 2: our first for our first reaction is always just to complain.
23:16
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, these people that are running this,
23:19
Speaker 2: they have the same goals that we do. They want
23:21
Speaker 2: to make sure it is as competitively fair to all
23:24
Speaker 2: these schools as possible. They're not just trying to help
23:29
Speaker 2: out the private schools like oh my gosh, and I said, yes,
23:31
Speaker 2: it has been having a hard time class album, let's
23:33
Speaker 2: move them down. It's like, no, that's not how this
23:34
Speaker 2: is going down. They're trying to make it more fair
23:37
Speaker 2: for the public schools and private schools at the same time. Right,
23:42
Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not gonna complain. I'm not gonna
23:45
Speaker 2: saying this is perfect because they're not. We'll see how
23:47
Speaker 2: it plays out and just gonna have patience. We'll watch
23:50
Speaker 2: it for a couple of years. If they think it's
23:52
Speaker 2: too crazy, then we can talk about it more. But
23:54
Speaker 2: for now, I think it's okay. And because of something
23:56
Speaker 2: to talk about in the summertime.
23:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, this plus great content.
24:00
Speaker 2: It seems. It's also it says the board approved recommendation
24:06
Speaker 2: of a shot the use of the thirty five second
24:08
Speaker 2: shot clock in pre season jamborees involving varsity teams, expanding
24:12
Speaker 2: the current allowance beyond regular season varsity tournaments and shootout.
24:15
Speaker 1: Style of Missouri is gonna get a shot clocking in
24:17
Speaker 1: near future, which is great.
24:18
Speaker 2: I think that's how that was always the way they're
24:22
Speaker 2: gonna do. They were gonna slowly phase it in. I
24:25
Speaker 2: mean there was there was never gonna be them just
24:27
Speaker 2: coming out and saying, Okay, everyone's using a shot clock,
24:29
Speaker 2: because that is costly, like that you're gonna that requires
24:32
Speaker 2: each school to drop a couple thousand dollars on shot clocks, Yeah,
24:36
Speaker 2: and then hope to have the school or an extra
24:39
Speaker 2: school board employee at each game run the shot clock,
24:42
Speaker 2: which you know, most schools can adapt to, but it
24:46
Speaker 2: is an ask, I mean, and you know, some athletic
24:48
Speaker 2: departments are on hard times and nearly afford new uniforms
24:52
Speaker 2: that have for teams that have been using the same
24:55
Speaker 2: uniforms for a decade, and.
24:57
Speaker 1: So usually it's like for uniforms, it's like three to
24:59
Speaker 1: five years and then you change.
25:01
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so it's good to see they're phasing in
25:04
Speaker 2: the shot clock.
25:06
Speaker 3: They're phasing it in.
25:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I mean, I used to kind of
25:10
Speaker 1: be on the fence about that, but now I'm I'm more,
25:13
Speaker 1: I'm a lot more for it now, and like it's
25:16
Speaker 1: just be a good thirty five second shot clock, like
25:18
Speaker 1: not too quick, you know, and that's enough time to
25:22
Speaker 1: you know, you should be able to get a shot
25:24
Speaker 1: off within thirty five like thirty seconds typically, and if
25:27
Speaker 1: you can't do that, then you're not a good basketball team.
25:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty much it when it comes to
25:32
Speaker 2: big news from Misha a couple weeks ago. So yeah,
25:39
Speaker 2: we get that news. Football it's in full swing and
25:42
Speaker 2: for summer practices, teams doing camps, speeding weight sessions, some
25:47
Speaker 2: seven and seven.
25:48
Speaker 1: Here and there. Yeah.
25:49
Speaker 3: One thing I don't like is I've seen this a lot.
25:52
Speaker 3: It's just.
25:54
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's it's it's fine to do it,
25:56
Speaker 1: but like I'm not I refuse to get impressed by
25:59
Speaker 1: like especially quarterbacks, like posting remixes of Hey, look at
26:03
Speaker 1: all these passes. I just completed all these standing targets
26:06
Speaker 1: with nobody rushing me. Like, I'm why are we supposed
26:10
Speaker 1: to get impressed by that. I just it's it's not
26:13
Speaker 1: a waste of time. I'm mighty the kids kids, But
26:16
Speaker 1: like don't like treat it as like as an honest
26:19
Speaker 1: like grading metric to get recruited.
26:22
Speaker 3: That's just I just I don't care for it.
26:24
Speaker 2: If it's just for fun, you know, a little video
26:26
Speaker 2: you're putting Instagram, who cares.
26:27
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a nice story to put out there,
26:30
Speaker 1: but just not like as a serious thing. I know
26:32
Speaker 1: I sound really harsh, but I just like the same
26:35
Speaker 1: thing at camps. It's like seriously like evaluating off of
26:39
Speaker 1: just little things like that.
26:41
Speaker 2: For summer contact camps, you know, it's it's easier to
26:47
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, you could have massive red flags
26:53
Speaker 2: as a team in summer contact camps, like hey, well
26:56
Speaker 2: we cannot stop the INCI.
26:58
Speaker 1: I would put a lot more stock in that stuff
26:59
Speaker 1: because it's it's it's the closest thing the real football.
27:02
Speaker 2: It is, and you can. But you got to think
27:04
Speaker 2: about and how these team still have two months to
27:09
Speaker 2: fix things, I know, which is usually plenty of time. Also,
27:12
Speaker 2: sometimes there's kids hurt for the summer contact camps or
27:15
Speaker 2: they didn't get enough practices into qualify to go play.
27:19
Speaker 2: But it's good to see these these more and more
27:22
Speaker 2: teams are going to these out of towns or contact
27:24
Speaker 2: camps like either at UCM or Pitt State or or
27:28
Speaker 2: other colleges around the state having or the region having
27:32
Speaker 2: events like that.
27:33
Speaker 1: That's good to see.
27:35
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate all that stuff.
27:36
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just kind of criticizing, like, oh, this guy's
27:39
Speaker 1: been in the lab working and like we got to
27:41
Speaker 1: take this guy seriously, look at look at that dime
27:43
Speaker 1: right there over twenty yards. Yeah, I just I'm tired
27:49
Speaker 1: of that.
27:50
Speaker 2: We'll evaluate guys don't worry.
27:52
Speaker 3: It's I know we will.
27:54
Speaker 1: We'll be okay. I put more stock in like in
27:56
Speaker 1: like eleven eleven contact camps, like a quarterback makes like
27:59
Speaker 1: a nice quick slam pass, Like that's something right there
28:01
Speaker 1: to me instead of just you know, in a seven
28:04
Speaker 1: on seven he makes like a little ten yard out
28:06
Speaker 1: and you know, like, oh, this guy's got a he's
28:09
Speaker 1: got a big season ahead of him. So I know
28:12
Speaker 1: him being overly critical pretty much right there. But that's
28:15
Speaker 1: kind of what's been grinding my gears like this this summer.
28:18
Speaker 1: Just something I finally kind of noticed and I'm like,
28:20
Speaker 1: you know what, I've had it.
28:23
Speaker 2: We'll be good. We'll be getting around going to contact
28:25
Speaker 2: camps getting info.
28:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go one more week.
28:28
Speaker 2: Then we got July fourth. This weekend, let's be fun,
28:29
Speaker 2: we do we have one goes out and I hope
28:32
Speaker 2: everyone goes out and enjoys their towns local celebrations. I
28:36
Speaker 2: know most cities in the area have like their parade,
28:40
Speaker 2: their fireworks show, a carnival, or affair of other events.
28:43
Speaker 2: I hope everyone goes in it, becomes part of the
28:46
Speaker 2: community and has a good time with family and friends
28:49
Speaker 2: and enjoying the holiday.
28:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, you're really big on like what O'Fallon
28:54
Speaker 1: does out here with the Fourth of July stuff. And
28:59
Speaker 1: as for me, I mean, I know, and it kind
29:02
Speaker 1: of looks so great for me, but at the there.
29:05
Speaker 3: Like people can come, like it's not like just exclusive.
29:07
Speaker 1: But but there's some country clubs in Lado that have
29:10
Speaker 1: really fantastic fireworks fireworks displays. I bet they're really good.
29:15
Speaker 1: It's like great community, you know, yeah, vibe there, a
29:19
Speaker 1: lot of people come in and it's great. But so
29:22
Speaker 1: it's I look forward to that stuff very much as well.
29:25
Speaker 2: Gotta. I mean, we talk about high school sports on here.
29:29
Speaker 2: In high school sports or one of the cornerstones of America,
29:31
Speaker 2: they really are. So it's fun to fun to celebrate
29:34
Speaker 2: that with America's two or fiftieth birthday.
29:36
Speaker 1: And like like the Midwest without football is like you know, Washington,
29:41
Speaker 1: d C.
29:42
Speaker 2: Without politics, Well, I think it would be great. And actually, man,
29:47
Speaker 2: I'm not. And then I'm gonna stop talking because.
29:50
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to go down that type of It's just.
29:53
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say anything more.
29:54
Speaker 1: Politics in Washington, d C. Has been a bedrock of
29:57
Speaker 1: our country for over two hundred fifty years.
29:59
Speaker 2: True.
30:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I'm going with true.
30:02
Speaker 2: I'm going with that our government resides in Washington, d C.
30:05
Speaker 2: And we're not gonna say anything more.
30:07
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, that's it.
30:09
Speaker 1: All right, Well that'll uh, that'll do it for this
30:11
Speaker 1: episode the middle of that week, so just enjoy.
30:14
Speaker 3: Actually we're almost done with that week right now, I think.
30:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, as we record this, so uh yeah,
30:19
Speaker 1: you guys have a good summer and we'll be back.
30:21
Speaker 3: We'll be back really seeing with some more episodes.
30:23
Speaker 1: Yeah,