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Set 2: Rich Man's Luis Arraez (w/ Jeff Passan) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Our buddy, Jeff Passion is with us.
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  Speaker 2: He is an MLB insider for ESPN. He also has
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  Speaker 2: a podcast, new podcast, Relatively New Sources tell Jeff Passing,
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  Speaker 2: it's a fantastic podcast.
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  Speaker 1: How's it going, by the way, Jeff.
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  Speaker 3: It's going well, I think, I mean, people seem to
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  Speaker 3: be enjoying it so far.
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  Speaker 4: I know I'm having fun with it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's weird starting a new show, like just doing
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  Speaker 3: something completely from scratch and you have absolutely no idea
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  Speaker 3: how people are going to take to it, and then
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  Speaker 3: just starting to like understand what the environment for new
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  Speaker 3: shows is like these days. I'm not like an Instagram
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  Speaker 3: reels person in life, and so seeing things get cut
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  Speaker 3: down to like one minute makes me want to sit
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  Speaker 3: there and scream.
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  Speaker 4: We're making the attention span of our children really terrible
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  Speaker 4: and I'm part of the problem now, And yet I
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  Speaker 4: want people to watch it so so badly.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So, really, like what this has taught me is
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  Speaker 3: that my threshold for selling out is much lower than
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  Speaker 3: I thought once about time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 3: Really, really, it's all just a ploy to getting the
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  Speaker 3: good graces of stut Goats and to him, have him
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  Speaker 3: regard me on his level of course.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're you're almost there. You're getting there.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big step you lowering your standards. It's
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  Speaker 2: part of the process. Trust the process. Jeff, you are
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  Speaker 2: rush off a visit to the dentist. How did that
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  Speaker 2: go today?
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  Speaker 4: It was my child's visit to the dentist. No.
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  Speaker 3: No, It's always harrowing when you take a child to
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  Speaker 3: the dentist because I feel like it's like the most
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  Speaker 3: acute possible reflection on your parenting. Does your child have
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  Speaker 3: the ability to keep his mouth clean? Because think about this,
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  Speaker 3: if you go in there, like the scariest moment is
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  Speaker 3: when the hygienist comes out and says, okay, you can
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  Speaker 3: come to the back, because you're walking in not knowing
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  Speaker 3: if the dentist is going to be, you know, lording
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  Speaker 3: over your child with just a pained look on her face,
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  Speaker 3: like what has this kid? Why does your child have
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  Speaker 3: such terrible teeth? What sort of parent are you? And
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  Speaker 3: we got a good report this time. So if you
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  Speaker 3: walk out of there.
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  Speaker 4: With no cavities, I feel like it's a good day.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, at a lollipop.
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  Speaker 3: No, he didn't get No, No, lollipops they give him
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  Speaker 3: at this demist, they give him tokens and they have
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  Speaker 3: and they have little machines in front with the terrible toys, right, yes,
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  Speaker 3: And I looked. I looked at my son and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I was like, you're fourteen. Do you need
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  Speaker 3: a token? The desk was like eighteen year olds asked
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  Speaker 3: for tokens, and I'm like, what children are we raising
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  Speaker 3: right now and watch one.
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  Speaker 5: Minute videos and asked for tokens at the dentist when
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  Speaker 5: they're eighteen.
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  Speaker 6: I kind of want a token, not gonna lie, I
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  Speaker 6: kind of want No, you want something when you walk
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  Speaker 6: out of that hell, I mean you.
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  Speaker 5: Do you want a reward for having hold on at
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  Speaker 5: the dentist you do nothing, stewp This is like your ideal,
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  Speaker 5: like outing.
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  Speaker 4: You lay there and what happens is done for you.
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  Speaker 3: Right, it feels it feels like, I don't know, it
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  Speaker 3: feels like a win.
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  Speaker 6: Frankly, so, I don't know about your experience, but when
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  Speaker 6: I go to the dentist. One of the things that
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  Speaker 6: my dentist does that just completely irks me, and I
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  Speaker 6: imagine it's ten times worse for you is he talks
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  Speaker 6: to me while he's doing whatever he's doing in my
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  Speaker 6: mouth and then expects a response.
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  Speaker 1: Why my mouth is why?
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  Speaker 6: So I gotta imagine, like you said earlier, you were
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  Speaker 6: going to the dentist, and I'm sitting there wondering, is
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  Speaker 6: he getting like drilled and them going, so where do
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  Speaker 6: you think?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? Where do you think is gonna go? Jeff was
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  Speaker 1: getting work done? Yes, expecting Jeff to respond.
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  Speaker 3: I actually, it's it's funny like you bringing that up,
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  Speaker 3: because I actually pride myself on my ability to converse
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  Speaker 3: with the dentist while mid procedure.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it's it's just fill that you have.
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  Speaker 4: We're just gonna test it out here, God parent.
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  Speaker 5: Fool, I get traded the hands on how the Tigers do?
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  Speaker 6: Understood all of that, right, Yes, that's more impressive than Elmo.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, in fact, I might have you.
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  Speaker 2: I might have you answer all baseball questions like you're
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  Speaker 2: sitting in the dentist chair, so for anything, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I'm serious. We'll get to the baseball questions in the second.
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  Speaker 2: But you are so right about the dentist. When you
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  Speaker 2: bring your kid in, they're not judging the kid. They
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  Speaker 2: are judging you. And now as the kid gets old,
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  Speaker 2: gets older, they'll start judging the kid.
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  Speaker 1: But in the meantime for you, for at least a
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  Speaker 1: couple of.
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  Speaker 2: More years, they might be giving the kid bad news,
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  Speaker 2: but they're staring directly at Jeff Pazard.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, oh my God, like laser eyes through the heart.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking earlier before we get you back into
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  Speaker 2: the dentist chair. We were talking earlier about sad group text.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor has been roped in to a group text exchange.
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  Speaker 1: That is only about the Florida Morlands.
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  Speaker 2: So I am wondering, what's the saddest group text you
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  Speaker 2: have found yourself at, Jeff Pezid.
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  Speaker 4: I think it just depends on the mix of people.
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  Speaker 3: Because you can have a group text with four people
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  Speaker 3: that is great, but.
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  Speaker 4: If the fifth is not vibing there.
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  Speaker 3: You're just waiting for the moment when you get not
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  Speaker 3: a text, but in like tiny texts, the little notification
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  Speaker 3: that says this person has left the conversation, and you
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  Speaker 3: almost wonder, can I force this person to leave the
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  Speaker 3: conversation if the vibe is not right? And here's the thing,
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  Speaker 3: like group chats are, I mean, they're a formative part.
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  Speaker 3: I think of any child growing up theseus, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's the modern sitting around a bar and watching
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  Speaker 3: a game together, Like, that's what the group chat is.
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  Speaker 3: So you need to curate your group chats very carefully,
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  Speaker 3: and you need to make sure that you don't make
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  Speaker 3: the mistake of allowing a leave the conversation person into it,
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  Speaker 3: because quite often leave the conversation people don't have enough
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  Speaker 3: feel to actually leave the conversation. They don't realize that
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  Speaker 3: they're the problem. They can't diagnose it, they're just happy
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  Speaker 3: to be there. And so it's it's as much about
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  Speaker 3: the pre work as anything. You can't let yourself get
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  Speaker 3: into a group chat that you don't want to be
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  Speaker 3: involved with, because then you're just the guy who's too
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  Speaker 3: good for the group chat, and that reflects poorly on you.
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  Speaker 2: What a fantastic breakdown, Go ahead to hell.
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  Speaker 7: Yeh, this is the exact dilemma I'm in right now
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  Speaker 7: because I don't want to leave this group chat. But
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  Speaker 7: I was promised when I joined this group chat that
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  Speaker 7: they talked about baseball. But it's only Marlins fan, So
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  Speaker 7: that's why the conversation only becomes about the Marlins. I'm
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  Speaker 7: a Yankee fan, but I don't want to leave this
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  Speaker 7: group chat because then they're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 7: me leaving this group chat. So then people look at
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  Speaker 7: my phone and they're like, oh my god, Taylor, you
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  Speaker 7: have five hundred unread messages, and I go watch this
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  Speaker 7: and I just clicked this baseball group chat and it
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  Speaker 7: goes down to fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the false premise in this situation is I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to leave this group chat. But you haven't responded
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  Speaker 3: to four hundred and eighty five messages. You have essentially
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  Speaker 3: already left the group chat without leaving it at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have put it.
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  Speaker 3: You have put it on permanent silence right now, and
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  Speaker 3: your lack of response it says as much to them
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  Speaker 3: about your investment in the group chat is anything.
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  Speaker 4: I think the clear move.
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  Speaker 3: In this situation is you keep that single chat on
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  Speaker 3: do not disturb, and every so often you just come
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  Speaker 3: in with a banger. You have to be the guy
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  Speaker 3: who makes every text that he sends worth it. But
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  Speaker 3: also you get known for being the person who just
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  Speaker 3: sits through all of the garbage that flows through there,
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  Speaker 3: but knows the right time to come in, and you
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  Speaker 3: can establish yourself as the once in every blue moon
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  Speaker 3: texture on that specific group chat without having the discomfort
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  Speaker 3: of leaving it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But he always has to hit home runs when
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  Speaker 2: he comes in, right, That's it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, no question about it. And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: If you don't, you do put the possibility out there
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  Speaker 3: of them booting you from it.
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  Speaker 4: Now, it just depends on how you want to play
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  Speaker 4: this thing.
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  Speaker 3: You could be the hero by coming in with bangers,
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  Speaker 3: or you could be the pariah who gainst run from it.
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  Speaker 3: But it's hilarious to get run from an all Marlins
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  Speaker 3: group chat.
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  Speaker 4: Like that might be worth it just for the story.
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  Speaker 2: I am told here not to put you back into
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  Speaker 2: the dentist chair because.
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  Speaker 1: It's terrible audio, especially when I'm asking you about the
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  Speaker 1: stuff that people want to hear about.
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  Speaker 8: It is a little liftle hairy.
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  Speaker 4: I get I CI a crap and you get it.
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  Speaker 1: I want to continue with it, but again, Adam, and
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  Speaker 1: that stop.
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  Speaker 2: Alright, fair enough, But it's a job to protect me
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  Speaker 2: from bad audio.
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  Speaker 7: Jeff, I'm gonna get my Yankee question out of the
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  Speaker 7: way early because people people get pretty sick when I
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  Speaker 7: talk about New York sports. My problem as a Yankee
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  Speaker 7: fan is that it.
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  Speaker 1: Feels like New York views.
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  Speaker 7: Every trade deadline from the perspective of Max Freedith coming back.
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  Speaker 7: That's our big acquisition. Then we'll get whoever this year's
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  Speaker 7: Jake Bird is to cover up our bullpen issues. Can
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  Speaker 7: you give me a name that I could at least
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  Speaker 7: get excited about for this MLB trade deadline?
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  Speaker 4: Mason Miller?
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  Speaker 1: Wow? Wow?
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  Speaker 4: Excited?
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  Speaker 1: Did he give you?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking that's him and that's you and
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  Speaker 2: the group text coming with a home run, get in,
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  Speaker 2: get out?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, so, here's the situation with the
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  Speaker 3: Padres and Mason Miller. Do they want to trade him? No,
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  Speaker 3: of course not. They gave up later Debrees is the
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  Speaker 3: number two prospect in all of baseball last year to
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  Speaker 3: get him around this time, and wanted to build a SuperPen,
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  Speaker 3: and they've done so. Like the reason that the Padres
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  Speaker 3: are still around five hundred is not entirely due to
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  Speaker 3: its bullpen, but in large parts so. At the same time, though,
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  Speaker 3: Mason Miller is the best closer in baseball right now,
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  Speaker 3: He's got multiple years of control left, and the Padres
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  Speaker 3: desperately need major league ready starting pitching, and that happens
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  Speaker 3: to be an area of some depth for the Yankees,
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  Speaker 3: so they match up nicely with the Padres and they
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  Speaker 3: could conceivably go out. It would cost a lot, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it would cost a lot a lot for a one
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  Speaker 3: inning reliever essentially, But think about how comfortable you are
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  Speaker 3: going into ninth innings with Mason Miller. He's the most
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  Speaker 3: unhittable pitcher in baseball right now. So it's a sort
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  Speaker 3: of deal that I think, if it presents itself, it
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  Speaker 3: makes a ton of sense for the Yankees, but it
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  Speaker 3: also makes sense for other teams. And when you have
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  Speaker 3: the limited inventory that you do as of right now
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  Speaker 3: at this trade deadline, that makes valuable guys like Miller
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  Speaker 3: even more valuable than they would be under normal circumstances.
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  Speaker 3: And there is no time to trade a reliever quite
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  Speaker 3: like the deadline, that is, when their value is at
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  Speaker 3: their highest.
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  Speaker 2: If not the Yankees, where do you think Miller goes?
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  Speaker 2: If he goes, is it the you know, the obvious play?
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  Speaker 2: This is the Dodgers, the Braves.
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  Speaker 4: What do you know not Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Padres Aren't going to give the best closer in the
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  Speaker 3: world to the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, Like that's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Braves, I could see the Braves, I guess, but man
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  Speaker 3: with Ryse Elliglesias. And I know Robert Suarez has been hurt,
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  Speaker 3: but he's been awesome this year. And Dylan Lee and
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  Speaker 3: Tod fin like they have a really really deep bullpen,
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  Speaker 3: like a good bullpen so far.
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  Speaker 4: And you could say, I suppose the same for Seattle.
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  Speaker 3: But Seattle also has that big league starting pitching right now.
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  Speaker 3: And you know they have Kate Anderson waiting down in
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  Speaker 3: the minor leagues ready to come up. They have Ryan
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  Speaker 3: Sloan waiting ready to come up. So if they theoretically
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  Speaker 3: were to move a guy like George Kirby in this deal,
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  Speaker 3: it would be it would be tough, but it would
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  Speaker 3: be doable. Pittsburgh has pitching depth as well, and more
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  Speaker 3: than either the Yankees or the Mariners. I think Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 3: has a need for that back end bullpen piece. And
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  Speaker 3: it would also be nice because Mason Miller's from the
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh area, So you know, there are a lot of
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  Speaker 3: a lot of teams out there that would want him,
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  Speaker 3: But the number of teams that could satisfy the Padres
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  Speaker 3: need for big league reddy starting pitching that's where the
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  Speaker 3: list whittlestat a little bit.
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  Speaker 7: The only name that I think would excite me more
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  Speaker 7: than somebody like Mason Miller would be somebody like Paynya
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  Speaker 7: Jeremy Pania from the Houston Astros. But the Ashers are
• 14:27
  Speaker 7: kind of in that middle ground of like are they
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  Speaker 7: buyers are they sellers? With that third wild card spot? Jeff,
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  Speaker 7: do you think baseball is better off with more teams
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  Speaker 7: believing they're in it or with more sellers allowing these
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  Speaker 7: contenders to kind of load up for a postseason.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny.
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  Speaker 3: I remember when the discussions were being had for the
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  Speaker 3: sixth playoff team in each league, expanding to twelve total
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  Speaker 3: playoff teams. Right My question to people at Major League
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  Speaker 3: Baseball was, is this going to kill the trade line
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  Speaker 3: because everyone is still going to think there And the
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  Speaker 3: answer it turned out was no. I mean, last year,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there were I think thirty six trades on
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  Speaker 3: the final day alone, So I don't think it inherently
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  Speaker 3: necessarily does that.
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  Speaker 4: I just think this happens to be.
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  Speaker 3: A year where there are so many teams in contention
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  Speaker 3: right now that the only obvious, like, you know, we're
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  Speaker 3: open for business sellers at this point are the Giants, Mets,
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  Speaker 3: and the Rockies and the Angels are certainly going to
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  Speaker 3: get there, which it just is a question of do
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  Speaker 3: they move guys like Zach Netto and Read Detmer's and
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  Speaker 3: Jose Soriano or is it more of the shorter term,
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  Speaker 3: softer sell for them. Kansas City is going to get there,
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  Speaker 3: and you know Lamee Thomas will move, but do they
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  Speaker 3: move Michael Waka?
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  Speaker 4: Do they consider Seth Lugo.
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  Speaker 3: There are teams that are going to join, but it's
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  Speaker 3: not a whole lot, and so with this lack of inventory,
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  Speaker 3: it's going to have a demonstrable effect on the deadline.
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  Speaker 3: I think prices are going to be high, and I
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  Speaker 3: think there's going to be real opportunity for teams, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's ones like the Astros that are kind of on
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  Speaker 3: the cusp and going in.
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  Speaker 4: The wrong direction, or even teams that are in.
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  Speaker 3: It right now but have big league depth that they
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  Speaker 3: can go and flip for something else, like you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Rays could could.
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  Speaker 4: Go out there and do something like that.
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  Speaker 3: The Yankees with their starting pitching depth that goes down
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  Speaker 3: to Elma Rodriguez, who's you know, been up and down
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  Speaker 3: but anticipating guys are going to come back. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that in and of itself, Taylor is a bad thing,
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  Speaker 3: but it can't be the only thing teams do saying.
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  Speaker 4: We're getting these guys back and that's going to be
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  Speaker 4: our addition.
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  Speaker 1: Right Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it hasn't impacted it, Jeff, but it certainly made
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  Speaker 2: it more tricky. Like if you're the Pirate, you're fifty
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  Speaker 2: two and forty nine, you're three games above your wild
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  Speaker 2: core team. Right now, you have a shot of making
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs, and once you make it, anything can happen.
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  Speaker 2: What you mentioned Mason Miller. Maybe to the Pirates, but
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  Speaker 2: what do they do with Paul schemes like that? They
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  Speaker 2: have to be confused. It makes it more difficult deciding
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  Speaker 2: what you should do, be a buyer or a seller
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  Speaker 2: come the trade deadline.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that that's that's a feature, not
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  Speaker 3: a bug.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 3: I like that pressure is put on these teams. And
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate the last collective bargaining agreement. I didn't think
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: it would have this strong an effect, but I think
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the anti tanking rules that were put into place, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: they were really quite simple, like depending on your market size.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: If you're bad for multiple years in a row, your
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: draft pick is going to drop by ten spots. And
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: so you know, the White Sox, like coming off their
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: all time worst season, like one hundred and twenty one losses,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the White Sox picked tenth in the draft because they're
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: in a large market because they had lost for a
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: couple of years in a row, been in the lottery,
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  Speaker 3: and you like, he can't do that, And so I
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  Speaker 3: think incentivizing teams like the Pirates to be in while
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: they're not as in as they should be, now's the
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  Speaker 3: chance for them to win fall schemes is in his prime.
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  Speaker 3: They have one of the best offenses in baseball, yep.
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  Speaker 3: And that's with Connor Griffin and O'Neil Cruz on the
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: injured list right now. So they're gonna get even better.
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  Speaker 3: The Pirates have a chance to be it dangerous teems
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  Speaker 3: to and I think if they're not pushing, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: I think we have a wide range of potential outcomes here,
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  Speaker 4: And so I think this is going to be.
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  Speaker 3: are we actually doing because you can't wake up the
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  Speaker 4: Gonna move guys now.
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  Speaker 3: There are too many medical records that need to get exchange.
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  Speaker 3: Just planting out the process. Yeah, the process just is
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  Speaker 3: and execute.
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  Speaker 7: Jeff, you mentioned that the Mets are one of the
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: obvious sellers. The Freddy Parolta trade has been a complete
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: disaster so far for the Mets. He's five and nine
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  Speaker 7: with over a five era. Is that one of the
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  Speaker 7: names you think the Mets are most likely to move off?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Freddy parolt is gone. Like that's a that's a
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  Speaker 4: guarantee at this point. Freddy parolt is gone. I think
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Brooks Raley is gone. I think aj Minter has gone.
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  Speaker 3: These are all guys who are gonna be free agents
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  Speaker 3: after the season. There's no point in the Mets holding
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  Speaker 3: on to them. I think they and everybody knows that. Like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: they're just going to try and get as much as
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: they can and I think Mintor and Rayley are both
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: quite valuable. There's a possibility that a reliever would get
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: more than Freddie Brawlt. At this point, that's just you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: it's a trade that did not work out. The real
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: question with the Mets to me is does Luke Weaver
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: move If so, He's one of the most desirable relievers
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: out there. And when you look at a relief pitching
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: landscape that at one point everyone thought was going to
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: include a role as Chapman and does not. Because the
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Red Sox have won fourteen straight games, you know, that's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: where teams can step in and say, hey, let's be
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: opportunistic here. And the Mets want to win next year,
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  Speaker 3: and Luke Weaver would go a long way to helping
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: them win next year.
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  Speaker 4: But the value that they can get firm right now
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: might just.
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  Speaker 3: Be worth it to say, hey, we'll go find another reliever.
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  Speaker 3: We're not just building for twenty twenty seven, which we
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  Speaker 3: don't even know how long the season's.
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  Speaker 9: Going to be.
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  Speaker 3: We're building for twenty eight and twenty nine and thirty
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  Speaker 3: and beyond.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: We have a ridiculous Tony Gwintey from Taylor that will
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: get to in just a second. But you brought up
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox here. They have one fourteen straight. What
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: are they doing differently? Why is it clicking now for
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Boston as opposed to earlier this season?
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: You know, there were points at which the Red Sox
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: were pitching. They've pitched pretty well all season long, but
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: pitching well and not hitting. They hit a little bit
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: for some point there, and they weren't pitching well.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: They do both and they stop catching the ball.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: It's just a matter of all three phases finally coming together,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: and especially on the offensive side. They haven't turned into
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: juggernauts by any meanings, but the offense has been enough
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: and the pitching has been excellent, and they have done
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: quite the rescue job on this season because it was
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: barreling toward a dark place, and now.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: They look like a healthy, good baseball team.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yep, who's not gonna sell come to trade deadline? I
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: mean no, who can't, right, not in that market? All right, Taylor,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: give him your ridiculous Tony Gwynn take that might send
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: him back to the dentist.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead.
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: So we were doing a we got a list online,
• 24:25
  Speaker 7: one hundred greatest and Tony Gwynn was eighty seventh in
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: the one hundred Greatest Baseball list and our boardop Ricardo
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: was outrage saying it was way too low for Tony Gwynn.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: And then I just looked at Ricardo. I said, he's
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: kind of a Tony Luisa Rias is a poor man's
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: Tony Gwynn. I don't think Tony Gwynn is a franchise
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: pillar in today's baseball. If Tony Gwynn was coming up
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: through the MLB right now, he'd probably be on his
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: third MLB team. He's not mister Padre. He's mister Padre,
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: mister Royal, mister pirate.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Jeff, Yeah, I think you're wrong.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I know he is.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: No, I think well, but but I actually am not
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: entirely sure that that would be the case. Here's the
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: here's the thing. Tony gwyn kind of was a rich
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: man's Louise. Yes, he did more. He he stole bases
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: when he was younger, and he was an incredible athlete,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: but he was.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Greg Maddicks told me he's the only guy he feared
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: in the batter's box because he was smarter than Maddics.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Of course, and and all of these things can be true.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: At the same time, like you can you can have
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: somebody who instills fear. I was having a discussion with
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: an executive yesterday about Louise Rise actually, and he was
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: giving me all the reasons that he does not like him,
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: and and here's the thing. All all of them were
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: actually reasonable and factual. But and I countered this to him,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: if you walk into your clubhouse and tell the players
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: who are going to hit behind him that you just
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: traded for Luis Arise, what would your What would their
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: reaction be? And he was like all of them would say, hell, yeah,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: thank you for doing that. So as much as as
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: a society we want to try and say about batting average,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's certainly not the most important statistic
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: by anything, we also still can't ignore it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: It's a valuable thing. And the difference I think was
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Tony Gwynn was regularly hitting like.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Over three forty into the three fifties, you know, three
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: seventy one year, three nineties, in the ninety four, so like.
• 26:54
  Speaker 8: Career, I mean, yeah, I mean I think that bec
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: because of the combination of just how high the batting
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: average is and the personality and the athleticism he probably
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: doesn't get traded.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: But I think Taylor's point is an interesting reflection on
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: how modern baseball front offices are run, and that even
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: though he's making that point that I don't know that
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: that necessarily means that he agrees with it.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: It's just how baseball teams run themselves these days.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: It seems to me, based on what you were saying,
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: is we're not overestimating Tony Gwinn, it's we're underestimating Luisa
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: Riots because the way Taylor's saying it, it's almost like
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: an insult. But you're saying, Luis a Riaz, it's definitely
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: a guy that matters on team sup.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Tony Gwinn, Yeah.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he Let's put it this way,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: I think he is better than what he gets paid
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: and the amount of interest that's been given to him
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: him both on the trademarket and in free agency.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: He's saying, the comparison is not that ridiculous, That's all
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: he's saying.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Taylor gave that take.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: He was moments removed from saying that if he put
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: blanket defense on Bob Coosey, he could stop him.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, Taylor, how old are you?
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: A thirty two, you're too old to be saying dumb
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: things like that. That's a that's like a an in
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: your twenties. Take when you're like full of youthful hubrists
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: and the world hasn't beaten you down.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Bob Coozy would cook your ass.
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: Like, just because he was white and the photos of
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: him are black and white doesn't mean that he couldn't
• 28:45
  Speaker 9: dribble circles around you, bounce the ball.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Off your head and then do like a set shot
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: in your face and turn around and walk away steph
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: style before the thing banks off the backboard and emasculates you.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: So, Jeff, I also walked onto the team at North
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: Carolina for college football, and I said, if I played
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: college football in the thirties, the Heisman Trophy would be
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: named after me.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's also one hundred percent not true.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Why do we, like, why do we almost infantilize athletes
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of past eras like the whole Babe Ruth couldn't do
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: anything in modern baseball.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Babe Ruth would crush these days because you would.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Get him on a training program and the reality is
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: he's a better athlete than ninety nine percent of the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: people there might not have looked at. Here's the thing, Taylor,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: are you a better athlete than the best athletes of
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: If you put me in the fifties. Now, that's a
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: different argument.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it's President Taylor putting him in Ranem for friends.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: Yes, I'm teleporting back.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I still don't think that's true.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Man, like we're like, we're talking like a scholarship player.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: That's a different story.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: He has himself beating out Johnny Uniteds. I think so great.
• 30:19
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• 30:28
  Speaker 2: A new episode is Outbring did something on AI?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Is that correct? Your last episode?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: It was?
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  Speaker 9: It was.
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  Speaker 3: It was very funny actually because I sent something out
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like and I'm like, guys, please watch the show.
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  Speaker 3: It's an hour long criticism of how bad AI actually is,
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  Speaker 2: Don't judge a podcast by its title, I always say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Jeff, we appreciate it, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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