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34 NBA players and coaches charged in sports betting SCANDAL... · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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spend. Why not putting in one of the
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top three offensive players in the league?
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We're going to be looking at Aaron Judge and saying that he
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can't win the big game, Michael Jordan said.
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I played 82 games. You don't see LeBron.
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Doing that a game where? You got.
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To go before I told you, Giant fans, Saquon Barkley, this.
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Let's do it. You're listening to Jabba and
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for all our shows is go to our website at
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www.worldwidesportsradio.com. It's been crazy and, and again,
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I didn't even get a chance to watch all the games on Sunday.
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I, I was really going to, I went to two different parties on
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Sunday after driving home from Mohican Sagas.
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So we went to Salem on Saturday afternoon.
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We took a boat. We drove 2 1/2 hours up to
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Salem. You know, it only takes 3 hours
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to look around because we've been there a million times.
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So and she loves it. She loves the, the costumes.
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She, she loves that Halloween feeling.
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I am not a Halloween fan. You'll never see me dress up for
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Halloween. I think I've done it once.
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I was Maverick and my friend was Goose.
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I think that was the only time I dressed up for a Halloween.
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For a Halloween party that was actually pretty funny.
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I did one of these crazy dances. It was one of the fun.
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Do you do you like scary movies though?
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Love them, love them, love. Them.
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You can call me whatever you want.
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I'll be the first person to admit it.
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I'll own it. I don't do scary movies.
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I don't do haunted houses. I don't don't do none of that.
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Really. You don't like the scary movies?
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I no, no, I you know what? Like I'll own it.
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I but I just I've never been been a scary movie person.
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I I don't. Know I got a movie for all you
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people, all the fans out there. If you want to see a scary movie
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or a really good story and weird ending, go check out Weapons.
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That movie is crazy. That is a crazy movie.
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It's on HBO right now, HBO Max. It's called Weapons.
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The storyline is crazy. The whole thing it kids
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disappear off the face of the earth.
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This class disappears and everybody was blaming the
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teacher on the reasons why the kids disappeared.
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But it's not it has nothing to do with that.
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So it it's got so many twist to the story.
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Go check it out. It's called weapons.
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It really is good. My friend Ray told me about it.
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I checked it out. It was creepy.
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I actually was driving home and listen to it.
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Yes. I wasn't watching it.
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I was listening to it all the way home from Atlantic City when
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I went to see Khalid. It it, it actually is a really,
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really crazy movie. So Britney at the tip of her
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toes, she couldn't even watch anymore.
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She fell asleep because she got so creeped out from the movie.
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It is a really good movie. So go check it out.
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It's called weapons. On Thursday, the FBI charged and
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arrested 34 NBA players and coaches that were part of a wide
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range gambling investigation. Many have connections to the
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Mafia. He point guard Terry Rozier was
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the most notable player involved in the investigation.
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His involvement has been discussed since a game in 2023
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where he pulled himself from a game after just 9 minutes with
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an ankle injury to ensure his partners would win a prop bet of
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betting the under on the point total.
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ESP NS Brian Windhorst accused the NBA of being involved in
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pulling Rozier from the game to cover up the betting scandal,
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which Adam Silver has denied. However, the NBA did clear
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Rozier to play after their own investigation.
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Last season, former NBA All Star and Trailblazer head coach and
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Hall of Famer Chauncey Phillips was arrested after being
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involved with big poker games tied to the Italian Mafia.
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The FBI claims that Phillips was involved in cheating people out
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of their money with rigged card shuffling and X-ray glasses that
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could read the marked cars on the poker table.
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Former NBA guard and assistant Damon Jones was arrested after
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being involved in selling information about players injury
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reports including LeBron James. The first case February nineth
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in 2023 when he told his partner to place a big bet on the under
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of a prop with Lakers Player 3 because the player would be out.
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The player turned out to be Le Bron James, who was sitting out
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for that game the game after he broke a cream Abdul Jabbar's all
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time scoring record and Jones was also caught manipulating
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Anthony Davis's injury report on many occasions as well.
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Adam Silver says that the NBA is taking immediate action to the
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betting scandal to maintain the credibility of the league.
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There's a lot to get into this with the credibility of the
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league, and we all know about the the thing that happened
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years and years ago with the referee and Speedy uniform.
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I asked Speedy to reach out to him and we're going to probably
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get him on the show in the very near future.
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There's a lot to get into. There's a lot of layers to this
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story and there's still layers to be told to this story.
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Adam Silver to me is the guy that I'm going to point my
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fingers at. He is running the organization.
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He is the league commissioner. And this is a guy that's been
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behind of the growth of the league and and really
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understanding sports betting. He was the guy behind the sports
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betting when it was being legalized here in New York,
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legalized being brought to practically 40 or 50 different
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states in the country. And he's the one that has
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brought up that the league is going to make money and the
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players are going to make money. The crazy story here and, and
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the person that has been brought into the story and it's really
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been growing legs is Chauncey Billups.
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Chauncey Billups is a very successful head coach, very
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successful player, made a lot of money as a player.
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He's an all time great point guard.
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He's won championship with the Detroit Pistons.
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I remember when he was traded to the Nuggets to play with Carmelo
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Anthony and Allen. Well, he was traded for Allen
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Iverson, I think. And Allen Iverson was traded to
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Detroit. Chauncey Phillips is is the
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interesting story here. The X-ray glasses and, and
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working with the mafia. That's something that you, you
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don't understand. This is a guy that's making tons
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and tons of money as an NBA. Hey coach, get a chance to to be
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the face of an organization and, and being the lead guy for an
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organization, something that Chauncey Phillips always wanted
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to be. I remember as a point guard, I,
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I couldn't stand you on T Phillips because he always beat
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the Knicks. He always beat the teams that I
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rooted for and he he was always the guy that always showed up to
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games and it was the big part. He was the point guard of those
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great Detroit Piston teams. I remember Rick Hamilton, I
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remember Prince, I remember all those great players, Rasheed
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Wallace, who Rasheed Wallace came out and said some
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interesting things about the NBA as well about the referees.
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And he believes that it's the referees have been part of, you
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know, shaving points for years. And he came out recently and he
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said that on a podcast. But the, the one that's going to
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get into a lot of trouble is Damian Jones.
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And I think he's the one behind all these stories.
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He's been working with the Mafia.
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He was the one shedding points and, and, and, and telling,
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telling certain people and partners and mafia guys to bet
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on certain players and not a play, not playing in games like
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LeBron James. And a lot of people think that
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LeBron James was a part of it. The nothing says that LeBron
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James was a part of any of these accusations.
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He has not been, his name has not been brought up in any of
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these accusations except that he was one of the players that that
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was bet on after sitting out for these specific games.
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So, and, and Anthony Davis is another one that was brought up
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as well. But I, I think when you look at
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Terry Rozier, Terry Rozier is a player that is making a ton of
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money. He's making $26 million.
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He's made a lot of money as an NBA player.
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I remember when he was drafted. I remember when he was playing
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for Boston. He's been in a league for over
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10 years. The fact that Terry Rozier is
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betting and and shaving off points and games that he is
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sitting out or hurt or any of that for 50,000 or $100,000.
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I don't know what the numbers are.
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I don't know what the total numbers are.
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When you're a multi millionaire, it makes no sense.
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The NBA for years has had these problems.
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And I'm, I'm talking about whenever legalized betting
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wasn't here, Mafia was a part of legalized betting or betting in
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the NCAAI, remember. Has anybody seen the movie
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Goodfellas? Goodfellas was a part of, you
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know, when you, when you look at all that Ray Ray Liotta and
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Robert De Niro and Joe Pesci and everybody was talking about the
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killing and all the different things and the stealing of
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money. You know how those guys got
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caught? They got caught on sports
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betting. They got caught when it came to
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college basketball. That's how they got caught.
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And you talk about the NBA and professional sports, this isn't
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going to be the first and it's not going to be the last time
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this happens. Adam Silver is a guy that should
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absolutely be reprimanded and I don't know who can reprimand
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him. I guess the owners could
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reprimand him. He is the guy that let Terry
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Rozier and walked let Terry Rozier walk away from this
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Porter. This is a guy that was banned
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from the league for for the rest of his life.
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This guy, Terry Rozier has been caught not once but twice.
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The NBA investigated and pretty much waved it off and pretty
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much shrugged it off like it didn't exist.
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Now all of a sudden he gets, he gets caught by the FBI, the FBI
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investigates it and now he's going, he could go to jail for a
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go to jail for a significant amount of time.
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You wonder what the NBA is trying to hide, what the NBA has
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been hiding over the last couple of years trying to protect the
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players. And and again, going back to the
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understanding of what the way the NBA works, the NBA is run by
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the players. I call the NBA the LGA, LeBron
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James Association. I do it for a reason, because
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LeBron James has been running the league really since he's
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come into the league in 2003, 2004.
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And you look at the league now, it's different when Michael
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Jordan played. It's different when Charles
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Barkley. Charles Barkley came out on ESPN
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and he spoke his piece and he took shots at Kenny and you know
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Kenny Smith and he took shots at Shaquille O'Neal.
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He didn't like their takes on on the actual thought on the NBA
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and the NBA has nothing to be blamed for.
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The NBA has everything to be blamed for.
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These players should be controlled.
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These players should be put in their place if they're getting
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caught once they should have been.
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He should have been suspended for 50 games, 60 games.
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Look at baseball. If you're caught with steroids
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one time, you're out for a significant amount of time.
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I don't know what the number is, Speedy.
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You know what the number is. It changes every year.
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I think the first offense was 30 games.
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I think the next one was 80. 80 OK. 80 The next offense is 80.
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And then after that you're suspended for life.
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Now this is sports betting. This is completely different
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from steroids. And remember when Bud Selig was,
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you know, he had his hand dipped into this.
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He was trying to save baseball. That's why he he shrugged it.
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You know, he kind of looked over his shoulder at Mark McGuire and
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Sammy Sosa when they were on that home run race for Roger
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Maris's record. Remember that?
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And then the Barry Bonds thing. So baseball was being attacked
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because of steroids. Nothing is as bad as betting on
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sports. Think about it.
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Why is, and I, I'll say this again, there's a player that
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played for Cincinnati, the Cincinnati Reds and Speedy.
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You know what I'm speaking about, right?
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Pete Rose. Pete Rose was one of the
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greatest baseball players of all time, one of the greatest
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hitters of all time. Pete Rose has never been ducted
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into the Hall of Fame. Pete Rose has never gone to any
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baseball games. He wasn't allowed to go to
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baseball, All Star games, any of those things.
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After betting on baseball. Now he didn't even bet as far as
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what he has said. He didn't even bet against his
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own team. He bet for his team to win those
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games. You think about Rozier, he was
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betting against himself. He was betting him for himself
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to be hurt. He's betting for his, the amount
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of minutes that he was playing and shedding points that that to
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me is the ultimate cheating scandal.
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And then you talk about the the fact that Damon, Damon Jones,
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who I know him very, very well. I remember when he played with
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LeBron James with the the Heat, He played with the Cavaliers.
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He's coached everywhere. LeBron James has been the
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Lakers. He's been all over there as an
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assistant coach. This is a guy that has been a
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part of LeBron James career since he's come into the league
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as a player and now as a coach. And to think about what this guy
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I was a part of and he was taught he was a part of this as
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far as you know, shedding points and, and, and, and, and the
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ultimate no, no with the NBA is and Charles Barkley said it best
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is you do not if you know a player is not playing in a game
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or you know, a guy is not probably going to play in a, you
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know, a certain amount of games. You are not to tell the press,
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you're not to tell the meteor, you're not to tell anybody what
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you know. That could happen.
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It could affect the game and affect sports betting.
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Well, this guy has been doing it and I, and I'm sure this is not
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the first or second time. I'm sure he's done it multiple
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Times Now. They're investigating.
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There's still an ongoing, ongoing investigation.
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There are other players that are not mentioned in this story that
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could be superstars that could come out and it could be they
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could be thrown to the wolves. And you know, the FBI doesn't
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care. The FBI named all four mafia
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organization families that were part of this.
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Think about that. There were four, four of them,
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the Gambino, the all of them. It's I know Gambino is one of
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them because I'm actually related to the family.
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But nevertheless, this is going to get even worse.
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And Brian Wynn Horse said it best.
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He said it best the other day and he said it best today on
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ESPN. He said that the NBA is going to
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do everything they can to brush this under the rug.
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The problem here is the story is becoming even bigger for the NBA
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to control. And what is it going to take?
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Does Adam Silver have to step down now because it's happening,
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All this stuff is happening when he is the commissioner of the
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league. David Stern When, when, when
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this saw all the stuff that was going on with the referees with,
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what's his name, Tim Donaghy, David Stern, he pretty much
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threw Tim Donaghy to the wolves. He said, you know what, You're
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never refereeing in college basketball.
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You're never refereeing in the NBA, You're never refereeing
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again. He put it all on Donaghy when
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there were other guys and Donaghy was on a show today and
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he even said there were other guys involved with it, other
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referees, other players that were involved in the scandal.
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And what did David Stern do? He blamed it all on me.
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He threw me to the wolves. He made me take the brunt and
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and take the fall for it. Adam Silver hasn't done that.
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Adam Silver saved and protected Terry Rozier.
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He threw Porter and if I was Porter and I was Michael Porters
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brother and I and I, I knew about this and I knew that Terry
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Rozier has been caught by the FBI and knew that I took the
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fall on this and I can never play NBA basketball again.
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I'm writing. I'm writing to the NBA.
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I'm suing the NBA right now because the NBA let Terry Rozier
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go back and play basketball. He let, they let and I'm sure
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the NBA knew something about Damian Jones and I absolutely
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knew. I don't know about Chauncey
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Billups, because Chauncey Billups, as far as what I know
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is, is not in the bad. He's they're saying that it's
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not as bad as Terry Rozier and Damian Jones.
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So the, the story is going to get worse and, and I think we're
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going to hear in the next, I would say in the next year, year
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and a half, that they're going to be more NBA players being
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arrested and fined and maybe seen jail time in the very, very
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near future. Yeah, you're right.
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Because you also look at the links that can be involved too.
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You're talking about Damon Jones being the obvious one link to
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LeBron James. And I agree with, I don't think
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LeBron like was directly saying, oh, I'm not going to play
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tonight to him because again, he hasn't coached.
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I think he was an assistant coach with the Cavs in 2018 was
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the last time he was directly connected.
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He's not directly connected with the Lakers organization.
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That being said. He's connected to LeBron James,
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but he's. Connected to LeBron James and
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LeBron James you know he likes he likes to cherry pick yeah he
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likes to cherry pick his own coaches so there might be a
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mutual between who was on the Cavs and who was on the Lakers
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now or who was on the Cavs and who was on Miami when he was a
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player stuff like that that still can get information like
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that and we talked about that with other betting scandals in
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the past with the with the NFL players and some of our guests
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have mentioned oh these NFL players could know coaches who
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know what the game plan is going to be this week so bet this guy
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to be under and receiving yard so that's where I think Damon
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Jones and maybe there's other players that could be connected
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with that kind of thing too just based on.
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Maybe what I'm really what I'm reading is Damon Jones is the
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most he's he's the one that's getting thrown to the wolves.
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He is the most, he's getting the most trouble.
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He is, you know, he's in the hole right now and he could be
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buried. They're saying there's just so
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much more Intel, more Intel on him and what he did than any one
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of these guys. And then there's Terry Rozier
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and then Chauncey Phillips. They're saying that Chauncey
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Phillips can actually go into court and and pretty much say he
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doesn't know anything about this and they don't.
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They can't really pin anything on him except the guard games.
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And to me, he's not going to see any jail time.
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He might lose his job, but he's not going to see any jail.
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Yeah, because he wasn't the real mastermind, I think as he was,
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he was doing it with the mafia. Let the Italian mafia forget the
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actual name of it. But whatever, whatever cartel he
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was a part of, he wasn't the main mastermind.
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Like Rozier obviously manipulated his own stat line.
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Jante Porter manipulated his own stat line.
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So like you actually can control that in basketball more than any
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other sport. I think we talked about this at
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the time of the Jante Porter and said you can control your own
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outcome a lot more than any other sport because in baseball
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you could. All right, I have an over bet
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for my walks. I'm not going to swing on a
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pitch. That doesn't mean that all the
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pitches are going to be out of the strike zone.
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In hockey, same kind of thing. You could have a shot on goal
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that is just clear in the puck. You're not going to be able to
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control that. That kind of thing.
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But at basketball, you're the one holding the ball.
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Especially Rosier as a guard, you could hold the ball out of
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the time. Just imagine if they're
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investigating, the FBI is still going to dig.
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If the FBI finds out that I'm not mentioning, I'm not going to
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say for sure LeBron James was involved with this.
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Just think about that because a lot of people believe LeBron
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James was involved with the Diddy thing and that he was.
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He was going to the Diddy parties.
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He was a part of those parties. Imagine if LeBron James or Kyrie
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Irving or one of these other guys, some of these big stars,
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because think about it, Terry Rozier is not a big star.
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Chauncey Billups is. This guy is very well respected
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around the league. You, you heard from Smith and
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you heard from Barclay and you heard from Shaq that innocent
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until proven guilty as as Jabba uses that line all the time with
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Ohtani. So until proven guilty, they're
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going to say, well, until that is proven in a court of law,
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that doesn't mean anything. But again, why would the FBI
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mention his name and arrest him if they didn't have a lot on
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him? That's what I'm saying.
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The same thing to go with all the other guys, the 4034 players
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that are involved with this, which were not named.
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Now, I, I again, they're still digging and I think they're
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going to dig even further and I think they're going to be other
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big names involved in this scandal.
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And again, there's no way the NBA is going to brush this under
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the rug. And I've heard a lot of
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different broadcasters and analysts say, well, it's not as
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bad as people think it is. What are you talking about?
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Sports betting has become as big around the world than anything
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in anything. It's sports, and sports betting
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is sports now. They're betting on everything.
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They're betting on parlays, they're betting on games.
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They're betting on if their toenail falls off their toe in a
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game. I mean, serious, you could bet
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on anything now. You could bet in the Super Bowl,
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what song these guys are playing in the halftime, the color of
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the Gatorade. I mean, there's betting all the
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time now when it comes to FanDuel and DraftKings.
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You're going to tell me right now this isn't a big deal.
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This is a huge deal. Think about it.
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And the NBA is wrapped again around it because the NBA does
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not know how to control the players.
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They don't know how to control the coaches.
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It's run by the players. That's the problem right now.
22:49
And I said this about all the sports in football, the coaches
22:53
are the most important position in all of, you know, all sports,
22:57
especially in football, because the coaches have a big part of
23:00
the players and what the players do on the field and off the
23:03
field. Bill Belichick, you talk about
23:05
all these guys, Aaron Glenn, these guys are part of these
23:08
guys everyday lives in the NBA after practices.
23:12
Are these NBA coaches have anything to do with these guys
23:15
in their lives? The answer is no.
23:17
That's why every single NBA player has their own podcast
23:21
Think. About it and one of them got
23:22
hired because LeBron is his best friend of his.
23:25
Podcast exactly exactly think about it.
23:28
The the LA Lakers coach right now is is no other than the guy
23:33
that was his partner on his podcast.
23:36
So it it to me it's there's nothing new to this and I'm
23:40
telling you this is not good for the NBA and the NBA is behind it
23:44
again. They're they're in this scandal.
23:46
When is it going? When is somebody going to drop
23:48
the hammer on Adam Silver? Adam Silver is running this
23:52
league. He's letting the players run
23:55
this league. When are they going to do
23:57
something about? It and again, there's other
23:59
links like I think Chauncey Billups, though I don't know if
24:02
they have enough evidence on it yet, but there was a belief that
24:04
Tyronn Lue knew something too. And obviously they're two
24:07
different teams. So I don't know how connected
24:08
they are with the the information that Billups
24:10
obviously was coaching the Blazers and obviously Luke
24:12
Ocean, the Clippers. I don't know how much
24:13
information that they had to be able to directly impact the
24:17
results. But there's the belief that
24:18
Tyron Luke could be involved in, like we're saying with LeBron,
24:20
there could be belief in another that.
24:22
And that's the go to the point of what you were saying before
24:24
the selective treatment that Jonte Porter got banned for
24:28
life. But Terry Rozier said, oh, well,
24:30
you could go back in the game and we'll shut you down for the
24:32
rest of the year, but you can still play next year and we
24:34
won't say anything about it. Like why does that get why does
24:37
Terry Rozier get a pass for that kind of thing?
24:39
Why? Because he's a better he was a
24:40
better player like it. That should not to happen in the
24:42
NBA whatsoever or in any sport, just being selective treatments.
24:48
Well, you know, that's I mean that's going to happen.
24:50
Obviously, we've we've seen it with every sport.
24:53
What I don't I didn't it's we we've said it before and a lot
24:56
of things. Is this going to be like tip of
24:58
the iceberg? We're only seeing like this much
25:00
of it and then is more going to come out and what are they going
25:03
to like? Where do they draw the line with
25:06
with that selective of, you know, do you punish everybody
25:09
the same? Do you kind of play, I mean,
25:13
because you can't really do it on an individual basis, can you?
25:16
Because if there is this many, how are you going to be able to
25:19
like distinguish which one is worse or which one isn't?
25:22
I, it's, it's not good for anybody in, in any sport when it
25:27
comes to this, because it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
25:29
And, you know, I'll bring up the Otani thing.
25:31
It's like, you know, it's still talked about.
25:33
And are you ever going to really know the final answer?
25:37
I you don't know. And with this is stuff still
25:42
going to keep coming out? Are they going to find out more
25:43
stuff? I it's, it's weird and how it
25:47
all kind of transgressed into one big thing and how other
25:50
names have popped up. There's like there's been a
25:52
bunch of gambling ones where I saw like Antonio Gates's name
25:55
and a bunch of other stuff. And it's just like it feels like
25:58
it's cross pollinating in other sports too, which can never be
26:01
good. Kevin Garnett.
26:03
I've heard his name being brought up in the conversation.
26:06
A conversation Rasheed Wallace coming out and saying that he
26:09
believes that referees throughout his career were
26:12
shaving points in games and he says that the NBA has been a
26:16
hoax. And and he says that as a player
26:18
and as a champion, I I didn't like playing in the NBA because
26:22
of these situations, because he felt like the game wasn't being
26:25
treated in a professional kind of way.
26:28
And I think the the NBA needs to look himself.
26:31
I think the the commissioner needs to look himself in the
26:34
Mirror Now. They need to figure out like,
26:37
where is this league going now, now that sports betting is a big
26:40
part of the growth and the money that we're going to be bringing
26:43
in the future. How does this work when you have
26:46
players shaving points, players using those capabilities when it
26:52
comes to social media and different ways of getting it out
26:55
on, on different platforms to tell it, hey, all it takes, and
27:00
it's crazy to say this. If there's somebody, a janitor
27:03
working at a stadium and he sees somebody or he hears somebody
27:08
saying that this guy is not playing and then sends it to a
27:11
friend and a friend puts a prop bet on it on a game or something
27:15
of that magnitude. And it could affect the game.
27:17
It anything is possible now. And it's, it's free to, you
27:20
know, it's free because you can't blame the janitor if he's
27:23
getting information not to make a bet.
27:26
Well, and we talked about that too.
27:28
What's stopping all you guys that you can see it and guys
27:31
that are actively involved in their sport endorsing it.
27:34
And then Lebron's obviously won. But what's to say the guy that,
27:38
you know, we, we look at all these bets like, you know, Super
27:41
Bowl, you can go look up every bet before the game starts.
27:45
And like, what's to say exactly? The janitor, your cousin, your
27:49
cousin's best friend, where it's like, hey, split this 100 grand,
27:52
200 grand, 10 different ways and go put it in different spots.
27:57
What's stopping them from doing it?
27:58
Because it's so readily available to be able to do it
28:02
that if, if you have a little bit of sense about it, you, you
28:06
would never get caught, No. And I don't think people are.
28:09
I think a lot of players are going to get away with it,
28:11
superstar players, just like I believe Shay Otani got away
28:14
with. I know Jabba, you're going to
28:16
stand up and you got to believe whatever you want to believe.
28:18
But the FBI was involved with that.
28:20
And then all of a sudden, after two weeks, the FBI disappears.
28:23
Nobody speaking about it. Shay Otani is pretty much
28:26
everything was pushed under the rug.
28:28
Nobody knows. And there were so many offshore
28:30
accounts. There were so many years that it
28:32
was, there were so many years that this been, this has been
28:35
going on in a two weeks time. You're investigated.
28:38
Look how long it took the FBI to investigate this.
28:41
You're talking about 5-6 years. And now there's still more that
28:45
they're investigating on it and they still don't have the whole
28:48
story. You can honestly tell me that
28:51
it's seven years or six years that Sheryl Attani was doing
28:53
that or well, whatever is his interpreter was doing it.
28:57
He knew nothing about it and and no money was going to him.
29:00
I, I, I just can't believe that now again, he's off.
29:05
He's he's not in trouble. He's not getting in trouble for
29:07
it. And, and, and again, innocent
29:09
until proven guilty, like you say, Jabba.
29:11
So I guess that's the way we're going to play this game.
29:13
But I, I just feel like the NBA has more in the knows more about
29:21
this story more than what do they say?
29:23
What is that transformer saying more than more than meets the
29:27
eye? OK, that's what that's what I
29:29
would say that the NBA knows. They know a lot more in depth
29:33
about this story than the FBII think knows and I think.
29:38
But I feel like what you guys said, though, one of the biggest
29:40
crooks is the one leading the brigade.
29:42
And Adam Silver, like he said he didn't know when when they were
29:47
talking about. Which is a lie.
29:50
Joby Joby. He went on the Pat Joby, he went
29:53
on the Pat McAfee show before this announcement even came out.
29:58
He was on the Pat McAfee show trying to clean this up before
30:02
this story came out and the FBIFBI made it.
30:05
Made an announcement about Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups and
30:10
Damon Jones. He came out, he was on the ESPN
30:15
Pat McAfee trying to clean this crap up before it even happened.
30:18
So you're going to tell me that he didn't know anything about
30:20
it? Of course he knew about it.
30:23
He was just trying to clean it up, throw the dirt on it, bury
30:27
it. And I don't think it's going to
30:29
get buried. I think it's going to get worse
30:31
and, and somebody needs to be blamed for this and it's going
30:34
to be the commissioner. The commissioner needs to step
30:37
up to the plate and, and try to find something and, and try to
30:40
speak to the media and, and, and try to stand up for this story
30:45
and, and try to clean up some of the story which which we it
30:48
doesn't make the NBA look good. It doesn't make the Chauncey
30:51
Phillips look good. Chauncey Phillips is very well
30:54
respected around the league. I feel bad for Chauncey because
30:57
Chauncey is behind all of this. So I even though Chauncey out of
31:00
all three of the guys that were mentioned, is the least in
31:03
trouble out of both guys, but he's going to see jail time
31:07
100%, especially if he's working with the mafia.
31:10
And you know, it's illegal when you hear the mafia's name being
31:12
brought up. And it wasn't just one family,
31:15
it was four families being brought up in these
31:17
conversations. So it's a, it's a horrible
31:20
story, he told. Me jerk, why'd you take your
31:22
pants off? My balls were fine.
31:28
It's. Time this is.
31:31
Cajun MMA. All right, so the UFC 321
31:36
Heavyweight championship match Saturday afternoon at 2:00,
31:41
which most people were not watching between Tom Espinal and
31:46
C Roll Gone ended with a no contest as Gone poked Espinal in
31:51
the eye twice at the end of the first round.
31:54
Espinal was not able to continue the fight and had to be rushed
31:59
to the hospital after he was completely unable to see out of
32:04
the right eye. Espinal also said he
32:07
contemplated a retirement after losing his vision in his right
32:12
eye. Espinal also reference Michael
32:15
Bisping being still being able to fight at a high level after
32:20
going blind in his eye. I remember that but says he
32:24
would never be able to fight at that level.
32:27
Former MMA champion Demetrius Johnson as they called Mighty
32:32
Mouse stuck up for gone saying he doesn't think he poked
32:37
Espinol in the eye deliberately. Former UFC champion Jim Miller
32:42
fought the opposite, claiming that the eye poking was was not
32:47
an accident and posted a screenshot on the Instagram of
32:52
all the MMA rules that gone violated.
32:56
Alex Perez said he is willing to move to heavyweight to make the
33:00
heavyweight division great again and wants to fight at the White
33:05
House for the Super fight between him and John Jones, who
33:08
said he would come out of retirement for that fight.
33:12
Jones responded to Pereira saying he wants to bring the
33:16
highest level of skill to the White House, and Jones also
33:21
trolled Espinal on Twitter, changing his profile picture to
33:25
a duck with an eye patch holding the UFC championship belt.
33:30
Nobody cared about the other fights.
33:32
The fights were horrible. It was really, really just not
33:36
put the way I thought that the UFC should have put the, the,
33:40
the undercard fights. I, I just thought that the UFC
33:44
and Dana White was reaching in the other fights.
33:48
Everybody was looking at, if you look at Mackenzie Dern and, and
33:51
that fight and even, you know, Khabib's younger cousin Omar,
33:58
whatever his name is, defeated Mario Batista.
34:01
The, the, all these fights were to me, they weren't top end
34:07
fights. The UFC was reaching on this
34:09
card last fight and we were talking about this, Jake, last
34:13
time you were on that. The last fight was sensational.
34:16
I thought Dana White put it very well together and I thought it
34:20
was great the way he was putting it together and and I thought he
34:23
was going to continue that way moving forward with UFC2321 and
34:28
3:22 and 3:23. This card was horrible.
34:31
It really was. There was nothing that really
34:33
stood out to me. There's no future champion, I
34:36
honestly or top end champion part of this.
34:40
And I know you're going to see the strawweight championship.
34:42
Nobody cares about the strawweight championship.
34:44
No, nobody cares about that. You know, so I, I, I just
34:48
thought that you, the UFC and Dana White was reaching the
34:50
Espinal fight and, and the God fight was the fight that
34:54
everybody wanted to see. Tom Espinal, who hasn't fought
34:56
in over a year, he's supposed to fight Jon Jones and, and, and
35:00
Jon Jones decided to retire and walk away from the heavyweight
35:04
division because he didn't want to fight Tom Espinal.
35:07
And, and Espinal actually came out and, and gave a shout out to
35:12
Jones, Jon Jones, when he decided to retire and say,
35:14
listen, everybody has an opportunity to retire.
35:17
I, I, I don't hate him for, for deciding to step away from
35:20
fighting and taking care of his family.
35:22
And, and by the way, Jon Jones just lost the brother too.
35:25
So you know, he's taking care of his family and all that other
35:28
stuff. So I, Jon Jones has had his own
35:31
demons over the years as well. So walking away from mixed
35:34
martial arts and UFC, a lot of people thought he was ducking
35:37
and weaving Tom Espinal. And maybe he was.
35:39
Maybe he was, maybe it was a mismatch for a guy like Jon
35:42
Jones to fight Espinal. But to watch a fight like this
35:45
and the way it did it, it was very Mike Tyson esque.
35:49
And I, I, I'll tell you why. It kind of reminds me of the
35:52
Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield fight.
35:54
Now everybody couldn't wait for that fight.
35:57
Mike Tyson got out of jail, won his first fight, you know, first
36:01
fight back. And and this, this was like the
36:03
Super fight. Everybody couldn't wait for
36:05
Holyfield Tyson and they were building it up.
36:08
It was such a build up. And Holyfield, who is the
36:11
champion and and one of the greatest fighters of all time,
36:14
and Mike Tyson, one of the greatest heavyweights of all
36:16
time. And that fight was an absolute
36:20
joke. Why?
36:21
Because Mike Tyson decide to not only bite Evander Holyfield deer
36:26
once, he bit it twice and then they called the fight, if you
36:30
remember, and Mike Tyson will always be remembered as the air
36:34
biter. And as a matter of fact, he has
36:36
his own his own weed, you know, his weed.
36:41
What do they call that? Edibles, which is Evander
36:43
Holyfield deer. So it brings up this fight and
36:47
you talk about Espinal and, and and and you, you can't, you
36:50
can't compare this to Michael Bisping because Michael Bisping
36:54
fought blind for years. It wasn't, it wasn't one fight.
36:59
It was years that nobody knew he was blind and and he won a
37:04
championship. He won the middle weight.
37:06
I think it was the middle weight championship of the world or was
37:08
it a welterweight championship of the world.
37:11
He won, he won a champion, one of the biggest titles in UFC
37:14
history and he was he was blind in his right eye.
37:17
This is not the same. You're fighting in heavyweight
37:20
division and you even consider yourself fighting against some
37:23
of the the biggest and the baddest fighters and the
37:26
heaviest fighters in in all of mixed martial arts in the
37:29
hardest, you know, hardest in competition in the UFC.
37:34
You you would say that if Espinal is, is blind in that
37:37
eye, I don't know if he ever fights again.
37:40
And the fact that Jon Jones now is taking shots at Espinal on
37:45
social media and and calling him a DACA, whatever the hell he's
37:49
doing on social media is pretty pathetic.
37:52
Because when he decided to retire, not fight Tom Espinal,
37:56
as everybody remembers, Espinal didn't attack him.
38:00
It didn't call him a pussy, didn't call him a weenie.
38:02
He didn't do any of those things.
38:04
He just said, you know, enjoy your retirement, enjoy your
38:07
family. You can't hate on somebody that
38:09
wants to spend time with his family.
38:11
So it it's just pathetic that Jon Jones is is striking a guy
38:15
that's down and that goes to Demarius Johnson.
38:20
Now, I respect Mighty Mouse. I respect him.
38:24
He's one of the greatest fighters the UFC has ever seen,
38:29
but he didn't fight anybody. He didn't beat anybody.
38:32
And the fact that Demarius Johnson came out and say that he
38:35
doesn't blame gone. It wasn't deliberate.
38:38
How is it not deliberate when you were poked in the eye not
38:41
once but twice in the first round?
38:45
And that's why you see guys like Jim Miller come out and say, are
38:49
you kidding me? If you read the instructions and
38:52
you read the rule book of mixed martial arts, you would know if
38:56
you do it once, you're, you're automatically, you're
38:58
automatically what? What's the word?
39:03
What's the word disqualified? That's the, that's the best
39:06
word. You're automatically
39:08
disqualified in the UFC rules if you poke a man in the eye when
39:12
he's down. He did it twice.
39:15
So in the rule book, as Jim Miller came out and said he
39:18
should have been disqualified and it shouldn't have been a
39:21
draw. But the UFC decided to give it a
39:24
draw even though Espinal should have automatically won the
39:27
fight. So I didn't get that.
39:30
I feel bad for Tom Espinal because he hasn't fought in over
39:34
a year and now he fights in a fight that didn't even go, it
39:37
didn't really go full fully through the first round and it's
39:42
a draw and and he might never fight in the UFC again because
39:45
of being poked the way he was in his eyes.
39:47
So I, I don't know, I, I think Dana White needs to investigate
39:51
this. I think there's there's a lot
39:52
more to this story than meets the eye as well.
39:55
Yeah, I think there's a lot that there, Errol.
39:57
It was really disappointing that that's the way that the fight
39:59
ended on, you know, Saturday afternoon I was watching college
40:02
football as well, so my my time was a little bit split.
40:05
And the card itself, you're right, it was a little bit
40:07
underwhelming. I do got to give a quick shout
40:09
out though to. Quelan S kid, he had an amazing
40:14
head kick knockout in the in the last fight of the prelims.
40:17
It was unbelievable. The poor guy who head kick, it
40:19
almost looked like he wasn't going to get up, but thankfully
40:21
he was OK. But it was a crazy highlight.
40:23
But yeah, for Tom Aspinall, I mean, it's really disappointing
40:26
because like you said, he's been sidelined for over a year now
40:30
because he was promised Jon Jones.
40:31
We thought all this build up was coming.
40:34
Then we got the steep a miocic fight, which I was like, OK, you
40:36
know, we don't really need this, but give Jono tune up for Tom
40:39
Aspinall. Then he said pay me 30, 30
40:42
million and Dana said OK, and then it never happened.
40:44
Is like he just ducked Tom Aspinall the whole time because
40:47
Tom was promised this fight and he's been off a year long for a
40:50
layoff. And the part that I think it's
40:52
most disappointing about this is Tom Aspinall didn't even get to
40:55
earn the title of being the lineal undisputed champion.
40:58
He was given that title because John was tech.
41:00
I mean, I in my opinion, I consider John's rain voided.
41:04
That doesn't count. That's like aside from the sport
41:06
because if you look at it, Tom Aspinall, he defended his
41:09
interim championship against Curtis Blades.
41:11
Like you don't defend an interim title.
41:14
An interim title is for a person to be the quote UN quote
41:18
champion while the actual champion is laid off due to
41:21
injury, suspension, whatever. And then they come back and
41:25
fight the undisputed champion to declare who the real champion
41:28
is. I mean, it's it's ridiculous to
41:29
think about it. And for Tom Aspinall, it's such
41:32
a shame because he was training, he was he was working hard, he
41:35
was preparing for this moment and he was bigging up Serial
41:38
gun, unlike most people, because most people just thought that
41:41
Tom Aspinall was going to walk right through serial gun.
41:43
And you know, the the first round it would, it did look
41:45
pretty competitive. I thought that Tom Aspinall was
41:47
still going to come away with the win.
41:49
But serial gun looked like he was overwhelmed.
41:51
He looked like he was caught. He was comfortable, he was
41:53
confident in there. But like you said, the eye
41:56
pokes, they were, you know, again, and I don't think serial
41:59
gun is a dirty fighter, but they were, they looked pretty
42:01
intentional to me. It looked like Tom Aspinall was
42:03
constantly pressuring him and then even though Serial Gun did
42:06
get a nice jab off and Tom Aspinal's nose and he did bloody
42:08
him up a little, Tom Aspinal was constantly forcing the action,
42:12
forcing pressure. So Serial Gun and if you look at
42:15
the one, if you go back into the fight, I believe it's like the
42:17
the second or third minute mark, Serial Gun stuffs Tom Aspinal's
42:22
takedown, but you can see his fingers were already in his
42:24
face. So he was already gearing up for
42:26
an eye poke like you said, and then go and then the second one,
42:29
which was horrible, just getting his whole hand up in his face
42:32
and then gouging his fingers farther into his eye.
42:35
Like it's it's really awful to watch and slow MO.
42:38
Like I wouldn't recommend anyone to watch it.
42:39
It's pretty bad. And like you said, I think that
42:42
the doctors did say that Tom Aspinald, there were no serious
42:46
injuries to his eye. But that is a scary thing to
42:49
think about saying. He said, I can't see, you know,
42:51
you have to think about your life going forward.
42:53
I mean, like your vision is more important than your your your
42:57
professional career. I mean, that would be awful if
42:59
he was to retire. I mean, I know he doesn't have
43:01
many more fights left on his contract.
43:03
I believe he only has two or three fights.
43:04
I think he has. Two that would be a helpful.
43:06
Way for his career to end if it was just by an unintentional
43:09
foul. But really a really awful,
43:12
horrible ending it would be. And then I think there's even a
43:15
clip of it going back. Like you said, there's been a
43:17
problem with, you know, eye pokes.
43:19
You're supposed to get disqualified.
43:20
It shouldn't have been a no contest.
43:22
The Jason Herzog, who was the the referee of that match and
43:25
isn't Tom Aspinals YouTube page, he made a clip about this.
43:28
He told them that, hey, generally dirty, you know, dirty
43:31
plays, they work. It's like similar with baseball.
43:34
If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
43:35
I mean, as awful as that is to say, it's like you almost are
43:38
incentivized to cheat a little because referees don't
43:41
officiate. They they should have taken a
43:43
point away from serial gun had the match up continued, I'm sure
43:45
it would have been, but you know, it should have been ruled
43:48
A disqualification, not a no contest.
43:50
And I mean, that's that's the problem with the sport.
43:52
It seems that the officiating is not strongly enforced enough.
43:56
And maybe that's on Dana White who kind of gave 1/2 assed
44:00
answer on the, you know, the post pre fight or post fight
44:03
press conference where he said, I don't know, you know, they're
44:05
going to happen. But I mean, if you would force
44:07
the rules more, then you know, maybe it wouldn't incentivize
44:11
fighters to fight safer and not to be as loose and breaking.
44:15
I know Jason, I know him as a referee.
44:17
He does a lot of amateur fights out here.
44:19
He's he's a really straightforward guy.
44:22
So I'm not going to blame Jason as far as what maybe he's told a
44:27
certain things from Dana White or what he sees and what and,
44:31
and not to call the fight. This is a heavyweight fight.
44:33
This is the best fight on the card.
44:35
Think about it. This was a really bad card.
44:38
We're talking about preliminary knockouts because the regular
44:41
card was bad. It was bad.
44:44
We were, I was praising Dana White for the last two cards.
44:48
I'm like, wow, these two cards were sensational.
44:50
I, I, I, I can't wait to see what Dana is going to do at USC
44:54
321. And then I'm looking at it, I'm
44:56
like, this is a horrible card. And then, and I hate these day
44:59
games because everybody's watching college football on
45:02
Saturday. It's and nobody's interested in
45:05
watching it. So it's not very watched.
45:07
So I I guess that's why he didn't put so many great fights
45:10
on the card, because he knows nobody's going to watch.
45:12
Them they are really saving up for that Paramount, that first
45:15
January card. So that probably has something
45:17
to do with it. But like you said, like it's
45:18
during the middle of the day, it's hard to get viewership.
45:20
So I guess you don't want to sell out crazy for but like you
45:23
said, it's a heavyweight fight. It's Tom Aspinals returned and
45:27
just the way it was, it was supposed to carry that card.
45:30
And I mean it's, it sucks. And that's the way it went.
45:32
Now the whole Alex Pereira thing and John Jones, I would love to
45:36
see that. I would love to see it.
45:39
I know for a fact Jon Jones is going to back out of this fight.
45:43
There is no way, obviously. I'm not as high on it.
45:46
I'd rather see Aspinall versus Pereira or still Tom versus
45:50
John. I mean, like, look, I get it
45:51
would be a super fight, but I don't really understand what
45:55
Pereira is talking about how he's saying, oh, Jon Jones,
45:57
let's put on the greatest and Jon Jones as well.
45:59
Let's put on the greatest showing of the sport in terms of
46:03
of technique and ability. It is Pereira just like that
46:07
confident. Like if you want to fight for
46:09
the heavyweight title, you got to go beat Tom Aspinall first of
46:11
all. So in fact, he thinks he's just
46:13
going to walk through. I'm like that's a joke because
46:15
Tom Aspinall, you know, he's AI believe he's a black belt in jiu
46:18
jitsu and and Alex Pereira fan, fantastic kickboxer and he's
46:23
amazing in his UFC career. Tom Esmel's not going to strike
46:26
with Alex Breyer. He's going to take him down and
46:28
wear him down, just like Izzy did in their first fight.
46:30
Either is Jon Jones, Jon Jones just not going to stand up and
46:32
fight with him. He's.
46:33
Going to wait. You know, Pereira, I mean, as
46:36
ballsy, I'll give him a credit to saying that he wants to take
46:38
that challenge, but I don't think that fight's going to go
46:40
as easy as he thinks it is. I mean, and I would still rather
46:42
see Tom versus John, but you know, that ain't going to
46:45
happen. But, you know, if we got Pereira
46:47
versus Tom, I'd be interested to see that.
46:49
Two active guys. Who are the two best guys in
46:51
their divisions? You know why Jon Jones will
46:53
fight somebody like Alex Pereira?
46:55
Because he knows he can beat Pereira.
46:56
He knows that if he takes Pereira down, he's going to
46:59
dominate him. He knows he can't take Tom
47:01
Aspinol down. He knows that Tom Aspinol is a
47:04
black belt and he's strong. He's got great upper body
47:07
strength and he can stand up and and, and and fight and box with
47:10
you and kickbox with you. So that's why.
47:14
A. 100% and he's and he punches heavier and he's much stronger I
47:19
think than Alex Pereira is on the ground and and up top.
47:22
So I think that's the problem right now.
47:24
And you look at the factors of Alex Pereira and and Jon Jones
47:28
and I think it's going to happen.
47:29
I think they will fight Jon Jones unless Jon Jones backs out
47:33
of this. He's the only reason why he
47:34
would back out of this. You they're trying to put the
47:36
biggest card the UFC has ever put together because it's going
47:40
to be in front of the president. It's going to be at the White
47:42
House. I know economy Conor, Conor
47:45
McGregor came out and said that he would come back and he would
47:48
fight only, only if he gets $100 million or some some ridiculous
47:54
number. Now I'm hearing that he might
47:55
fight Michael Chandler on that card.
47:57
Always the plan to finish The Ultimate Fighter, but that's
47:59
going to be a pricey card for Dana White.
48:01
I mean, I keep hearing every single fighter pretty much say
48:03
they want to fight on that card. And it's like, guys, first,
48:06
we're not even there. We're not even through 2025 yet.
48:09
I mean, like that's halfway through the year now.
48:11
But I mean, yeah, Connor is. It's the problem though is you
48:14
can't have two crazy big attraction fights like that
48:17
because one of them is going to have to be the Co main event and
48:19
their egos ain't going to be like Jon Jones.
48:21
He ain't coming out of retirement to be a Co main event
48:23
fight on the White House. And Conor McGregor as well.
48:25
Like even though he's busy doing his TKO or he's like bare
48:31
knuckle. Bare knuckle.
48:33
He ain't going to come out to be the Co main event on the white
48:35
like they're both going to be the main event or nothing.
48:38
Like their egos ain't going to be able to handle that.
48:39
So who knows from now. I mean, that's far away from
48:43
still. It will be great, but you know,
48:44
we'll see. All right.
48:45
Well, so we have somebody that knows a little bit about the
48:49
UFC. You could stay on Jake.
48:51
We got Anthony Andriosi. Anthony, what's?
48:56
Up buddy, what's going on buddy? No Speedy hit me up earlier and
49:01
told me that you're going to talk about this whole high poke
49:03
thing and all that stuff and everything like that.
49:05
So you know I they got out of work and I'm like, you know,
49:08
hopefully. But then you were still talking
49:10
about, you know, Chelsea Billups betting on an eye poke in the
49:13
main event of the fight and all that stuff and everything like
49:15
that. So you know what I mean then.
49:17
I figured I'd call it when I started.
49:18
No, we're, we're speaking, we're speaking about the Tom Espinal
49:23
eye poking and, and it reminded me of Mike Tyson, a Holyfield.
49:26
If you think about it, it's, it's obviously Mike Tyson bit
49:30
Holyfield's ear off twice until they called the fight and
49:34
disqualified him. I was surprised.
49:36
I was shocked that Tom Espinal, I mean gone, was not suspended
49:43
or disqualified for that fight because once you poke.
49:49
It happens. Listen, you know, the I poke
49:51
stuff happens, everything like that.
49:53
Do I think it was intentional? No, I don't think it was
49:55
intentional because Don was, in my opinion, Don was looking
49:57
better in that fight anyway. I don't think it was
50:01
intentional. You know, things happen.
50:04
You know, he's got a really good, I can tell you that right
50:05
now. So if anybody wants to say, you
50:07
know, that's why when people are booing and Aspinall and all
50:09
that, if you see the replay, I mean, he was, you know, pretty
50:12
much in the back of his skull with his fingers.
50:15
So, but like I said, I don't think it was intentional or a
50:17
thing. You know, crap happens.
50:19
It it happens all the time, you know.
50:20
Happens twice in the same round. It happens.
50:24
I mean if anybody seen Jon Jones fights, it happens.
50:28
Yeah, Jon Jones, you know, I mean, Jon Jones is, you know, is
50:32
one of the greatest fighters of all time.
50:34
And if he's doing it, it was. One of the biggest reasons why
50:36
they started with that whole eye poke thing.
50:38
Make sure you have your closed hands and all that stuff.
50:40
You know, I mean, the unfortunate thing about this is
50:43
now it's going to get dragged along for another six months and
50:46
they're going to be a rematch when really probably nobody
50:49
wanted to see a rematch anybody because nobody wanted to see
50:51
this fight anyway. Everybody wanted to see Aspen
50:54
Alan Jones. Nobody wanted to see Zero gone,
50:56
you know what I mean? No, why?
50:58
Because Zero gone got his, you know, ass handed to him by Jon
51:02
Jones saying what, like a mini and all that stuff.
51:05
So nobody really wanted to see this and in my opinion, 0 gone
51:08
was not the guy to put up against Asheville anyway.
51:12
You know, I don't really think he deserved it.
51:13
I don't, I don't. Just like, you know, people can
51:16
say what they want about Arsenal, people can say what
51:18
they want about Jon Jones and all that stuff.
51:20
I don't see Arsenal beating Jones.
51:22
I don't. I don't because in my change,
51:25
unfortunately, the heavyweight division in the UFC is pretty
51:30
goddamn weak. It really is.
51:33
That's why you see all these signings coming over from PFL
51:36
and Legacy and all these other organizations because the
51:40
heavyweight division is very weak.
51:42
And unfortunately, in my opinion, Tom really has not been
51:47
challenged. He's the champ.
51:49
Don't get me wrong, he's the champ, but unfortunately he had
51:53
to deal with what he was given and I don't think what he has
51:56
given has really tested him to the levels that Jones and
52:01
Cormier and Steep A in that division have been tested.
52:05
Well, we know, I know, I know you have a low fest for steep A
52:10
so I I really know so. Hey, listen, you know what I
52:13
mean. The guy, the guy may lose, but
52:15
then he comes back and Avengers his belts and stuff like that.
52:17
People say what they want about Nagano, but last time I checked,
52:20
you know, Nagano was just avenging a loss.
52:22
It was 1 to one. Everybody wanted to see the
52:25
rubber match, which never happened.
52:27
But you know, what are you going to do?
52:28
That's just what it is. Guys get older and you know,
52:34
that's why I like the thing with Pereira.
52:35
Pereira wants to go heavyweight. Why?
52:36
Because Pereira is not a young guy.
52:39
Pereira had a whole career and glory for a very long time
52:43
before he even went to the UFC. He's a striker first, yes.
52:46
So people say about black belt, this black belt, that black
52:49
belt, unfortunately, yes, it shows skill.
52:53
But in my opinion, it's over inflated at times because just
52:59
like a lot of people have said, you know, these guys get black
53:02
belts, but do they get black belts while they're getting
53:03
punched in the face? No, they're not.
53:06
It's two totally different things.
53:09
Like I said, it's an achievement.
53:11
Great, wonderful. Look, there's your applause.
53:13
Wonderful, great. But how does it translate?
53:16
Who the hell knows? Start punching somebody in the
53:18
face while they're getting that black belt.
53:19
When they get promoted, that's a different story.
53:21
That's why Cesar Gracie and all those guys like Nick Diaz and
53:24
you know, he's one of the few guys that gives black belts
53:28
Gracie black belts. That is for guys that basically
53:32
compete with no Gee, a lot of these other curriculums don't.
53:36
They don't. And if, you know, things change
53:40
and like I said, black belts, black belts, you know, as long
53:43
as you pay for them, you're going to get your black belt
53:44
eventually. That's just the way it goes.
53:49
You know, you can get your black belt.
53:51
You know what I mean? That's why you see all that
53:53
stuff. You know, I'm surprised that
53:55
when you go to a lot of, unfortunately, a lot of these
53:57
jiu jitsu studios nowadays, it's not like it used to be.
54:00
Nowadays you go and look at them and they're almost like a
54:02
freaking dollar menu at Burger King, you know what I mean?
54:04
You just, you know, they'll get you this in six months.
54:07
That'll get you that for $400.00 you'll pay.
54:09
That's $400.00 and all that stuff, you know what I mean?
54:12
Don't guarantee you get your black belt in this, you know,
54:15
you get a box set with the DVD, they send you a black belt for
54:18
now. You know, I mean, so, I mean all
54:21
that crap. I don't even want to freaking
54:22
hear it, you know? And just like Pereira, Why is
54:25
Pereira want to go in a heavyweight?
54:26
He's not stupid. He's getting older.
54:28
He can't make 2O5 anymore. He can't do it.
54:31
He can't do it. And if they want to really
54:34
stretch this whole Pereira thing, they wouldn't throw him
54:37
in a heavyweight championship fight right off the bat.
54:39
Champion versus champion is nothing.
54:41
That's that's it really. He's not.
54:43
He's not the more contender of heavyweight.
54:46
He's not. Have him go through the course,
54:49
stretch it out. Don't start destroying your
54:52
company with these super fights, which unfortunately waters down
54:56
all your talent pools because on as we've said millions of times,
54:59
we've said on on the show back in the day and all, and
55:02
everything they the UFC does not do a good job of personalizing
55:08
and educating the fans of who these guys are.
55:10
It's not, you know, it's not like what The Ultimate Fighter
55:13
used to be back in the day when he has to have the UFC all
55:15
access. When you see behind the scenes,
55:17
you know, now you get the countdown.
55:18
That's great, but the fight's already happening.
55:20
It's not before, you know, create a little fanfare, educate
55:24
the the viewers, which they don't do now because
55:26
everything's pay-per-view and you got to pay 18 different
55:29
subscriptions just to get the pregame.
55:31
It's the stupidest damn thing I've ever seen in my entire
55:34
life, you know? But that's why now the best bet
55:38
that they could possibly do for that whole White House fight,
55:42
whatever the hell they're doing and stuff like that.
55:44
Because now things are going to get pushed back and pushed back
55:47
and then somebody's done any injury and somebody's going to
55:50
have an ass ache and somebody's going to be pissing blood and
55:53
who got pregnant and all that stuff.
55:55
Now Aspinall gone. Probably the rematch is going to
56:00
happen at the White House. If the UFC is smart, they'll
56:04
have John Jones go against Pereira on the same fight card
56:06
and then the winners fight each other later on down the road in
56:09
the garden. That would be your best way of
56:12
expanding this whole thing with the viewership.
56:15
You know, have a mini, have something small like that.
56:19
You know we love you. I don't know.
56:22
If they wait, I don't know if they'd wait that long, I think.
56:24
Sorry I took up all the time there guys, but anyway, listen,
56:28
you and us have a good night and I can't wait to see the comments
56:32
of everybody thinking I'm smoking crack.
56:33
I'm just basically smoking a double but I just got out of
56:36
work. But anyway.
56:37
We'll talk. I'll.
56:38
Talk to you guys soon man. Thank you.
56:40
I'll go on. Anthony Andreosi, Go ahead,
56:43
Jake, what were you going to? Say, yeah, I don't know if
56:44
they'd wait that long till the White House car for the
56:47
agreement. I think they're probably going
56:48
to try to shoot for March or April, depending on Tom
56:51
Aspinall's injury status. And then like I was saying, he
56:54
say, you know, probably do. It sucks for Alexander Volkov
56:57
because that was probably who's going to be the next challenger.
56:59
But now you got to push him on a layoff as well.
57:02
But you know who we'll see what the whole Jon Jones, Alex
57:05
Pereira thing. I mean, that would be that would
57:06
be pretty cool if you had both of those fights go on and then
57:09
see, you know, super fight for the championship.
57:12
But I doubt it's going to happen.
57:14
But you know, who knows? We'll see.
57:15
It's not going to happen. I think Alex Pereira will fight
57:18
Jon Jones if Jon Jones wants to fight.
57:20
I don't think Jon Jones is coming out of retirement.
57:23
I don't believe it until until otherwise.
57:26
And remember, Jon Jones needs to train.
57:28
He needs time. It's right around the corner.
57:31
I mean, the White House is what, before, you know, during the
57:33
summertime. So I think it's.
57:35
Yeah, it's bids in June late. June.
57:37
Yeah, it's right there around the summertime.
57:38
There's no way he's going to have enough time to train for
57:41
that fight. Jon Jones is not coming back,
57:43
guys. I just.
57:44
I can't see it. John Jones's brother just passed
57:48
away. He's got family situations and
57:50
issues right now. I just can't see him coming out
57:52
of retirement and doing that. But that it's this is a great
57:56
take. Thank you to Anthony Andrigosi
57:58
for joining us and you, Jake, talking UFC.
58:01
Every time we talk UFC, I want you to come on and give us your
58:04
take because it's great. It really is.
58:06
And, and again, I disagree with Anthony.
58:10
God should have been absolutely disqualified after he poked him
58:16
the first time. Second time, absolutely
58:19
disqualified there. There shouldn't have been a
58:20
draw. It shouldn't have been anything.
58:22
Yeah, it should have. It should have been DQ.
58:24
Not in no context. Absolutely, he should have been
58:27
absolutely disqualified for that fight.
58:28
He cheated, and there's no doubt he cheated in that fight.
58:31
So, Jake, thank you for joining us, Bud.
58:34
Yep, good seeing you all. Good seeing you boys.
58:36
Absolutely. That's Jakey boy man, one of our
58:39
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58:41
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Wednesday? Our friend Obie Mahali coming
59:23
back on at 9:00. Do it, speedy Moo Haley.
59:27
No, no, no, no. Do it.
59:30
It's like it's like you know, like it's like Nathan's mom
59:33
going to move. It's Bob have to do with this.
59:39
I'm going to have to have Nathan do that drop moo wait speedy, do
59:44
it do it one more time. Sounds like a really you have to
59:50
bring back that sounds like a constipated.
59:52
I don't drink a lot of milk milk.
59:55
It does a party good. Anyways, it does me good and I'm
59:58
getting the hell out of here because I'm tired.
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