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Catching up with Zerse AKA BASSFZz | Fireside Chat 264 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Brian and this is the fireside Chat
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  Speaker 1: and today we're gonna be well, I mean, I put
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  Speaker 1: it in the title, I'm gonna be catching up with
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  Speaker 1: zerus a ka.
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  Speaker 2: How do you pronounce it? Is it bad?
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  Speaker 3: How do you say it's I think the correct pronunciation
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  Speaker 3: would technically be bass f c z because it's a
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  Speaker 3: reference to Mega Man Battle Network, or more specifically referenced
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  Speaker 3: to Bass, So I think the correct way to pronounce
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  Speaker 3: it is bass f zz. However, that.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm a I'm a huge Mega Man fan,
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  Speaker 1: like I love Mega Man.
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  Speaker 2: I never played the Battle.
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  Speaker 1: Network, but I played a lot of the og ones,
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  Speaker 1: and if I knew that you were referencing bass, then
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  Speaker 1: that would have been a lot easier for me to uh.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair, I yeah, it's it's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's if you want, I can briefly go over the
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  Speaker 3: origin so my original.
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  Speaker 1: Well you might as well because this has been the
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  Speaker 1: name of your channel for years, right, so yeah, how
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  Speaker 1: what where did so so?
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  Speaker 3: Originally? Originally, originally my very first YouTube account was actually
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  Speaker 3: it was like Mega Man five four three two one,
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  Speaker 3: and I think I made this back when I was
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  Speaker 3: like twelve, right, it was way back when, way back when,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it got deleted for some reason. Like
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  Speaker 3: back in the day, the same thing happened with me
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  Speaker 3: on Facebook two, Like their automation system way back when
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  Speaker 3: was very strict and they'll just they'll just cut you out.
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  Speaker 3: So that account got deleted. So I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to just see Mega Man again. And
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  Speaker 3: Bass was my my favorite character. He's a secret boss
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  Speaker 3: fight in the Battle Network series, so I said why
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  Speaker 3: not use him? And then Proto Man was also he
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  Speaker 3: was my third favorite character. And in the last Battle
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  Speaker 3: Network game there's a secret boss fight with Proto Man
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  Speaker 3: and that version is called Proto Man f Z. So
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  Speaker 3: I said, I'll take Base, I'll take f Z. I
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  Speaker 3: had another z. It'll be like the ultimate form to
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  Speaker 3: be based f ZZ And that's how yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: the best of all of that and so and so
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  Speaker 3: it's like so you're probably wondering then, like how did
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  Speaker 3: how did something with such goofy origin, such nerdy origins
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  Speaker 3: to turn into speaking about men dating and selles all
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  Speaker 3: that good stuff. Well to go there, my intent for
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  Speaker 3: my channel Originally, way back when, was just to be
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  Speaker 3: funny and just to be goofy, you know, sketch comedy,
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  Speaker 3: do some fun stuff, you know, just act a little
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  Speaker 3: bit and being a creative outlet. But as life went on,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I experienced multiple different things, learned a lot
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  Speaker 3: about philosophy, and I recognized that I wanted to help
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  Speaker 3: people not feel the way I felt ultimately, and so
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  Speaker 3: what happened there was, you know, multiple different personal things happened,
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  Speaker 3: and I figured maybe I can use this sketch comedy
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  Speaker 3: and the ideas of the response videos to kind of
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  Speaker 3: do something a little bit more positive. And that's how,
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  Speaker 3: you know, everything cascaded is what we see currently.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well that's yeah, very very like back of the book,
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  Speaker 1: some summation. So then you said something about, uh, you
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  Speaker 1: see other people feeling the way you felt, So what
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  Speaker 1: were you feeling? Like, what's your So how long ago
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  Speaker 1: are we talking? Like how many years back?
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  Speaker 3: So we're talking we're talking. I made this back when
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  Speaker 3: I was like my transition I would say was about
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  Speaker 3: sixteen to seventeen. I began to really think critically about
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  Speaker 3: what I could do with the channel, and like social
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  Speaker 3: commentary to that degree. So I'm twenty nine now, so
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  Speaker 3: it's like twelve years, right, twelve years, twelve or so years.
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  Speaker 3: And the very first thing that happened to me, one
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  Speaker 3: of the critical things that happened to me, was I
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  Speaker 3: tried to date this girl, right, And what was so
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  Speaker 3: crazy about trying to date hers? I recognize she didn't
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  Speaker 3: like me pretty early on. But I was a nice guy, right,
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  Speaker 3: I was. I did everything I was told to do.
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  Speaker 3: I was you know, I wrote her poems, I treated
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  Speaker 3: her well, I held the door open before. And what
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  Speaker 3: got me wasn't the fact that she didn't like me.
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  Speaker 3: I could accept that. It was that she didn't respect me,
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  Speaker 3: and that really bothered me a lot. Like it just
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  Speaker 3: at that time, it just didn't make any sense. Mess
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand. It's one thing to not like me, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: fair enough, but why are you mean to me? That's
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  Speaker 3: what I didn't get. And that's when I started thinking
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  Speaker 3: and trying to figure this stuff out. And so I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to help other young men, you know, escape that
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  Speaker 3: confusion and that frustration that I felt, and that's what
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  Speaker 3: we started. And then as time went on, I learned
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  Speaker 3: more about feminism and then then we did the response
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  Speaker 3: videos and you know.
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  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, like crossed over, so you had a personal
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  Speaker 1: experience right around the time you'd be taking a somewhat
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  Speaker 1: serious interest in the opposite sex because you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: like in our biology, I assume you're straight.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he was a woman.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, I mean that doesn't that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: anything like you did, like I guess, right, like what even.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair, yeah, to be fair, but yeah it
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  Speaker 3: was its use a female, I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but uh, okay, so you told me we
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  Speaker 1: chat a little bit X.
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  Speaker 2: I know I've seen your posts around.
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  Speaker 1: I've been following me on Twitter, but like I got
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  Speaker 1: banned and then yeah I came back. Oh yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: got banned off of Twitter, like back when Jack Dorsey
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  Speaker 1: owned it, and yeah, yeah, you know I did the
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  Speaker 1: cardinal sin of basically saying that Nazis and Communists are
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  Speaker 1: the same ship to me, and the Communists didn't like.
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  Speaker 2: That at all the same Yeah got me that that's
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  Speaker 2: not even know it's it's okay. I was just like whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And then when.
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  Speaker 1: Helon got it, I tried to get him to reinstate
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  Speaker 1: my account. That account is still banned, so I just
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  Speaker 1: made another one, and uh, then I started, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to like follow back everybody that I used to follow
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  Speaker 1: with my old account. And when when I chatted with
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit and you said that you don't
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  Speaker 1: talk about or you don't focus on feminism too much
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  Speaker 1: anymore these days.
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  Speaker 2: So let first of all, let's back up a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: How would you define focusing on feminism and as opposed
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  Speaker 1: to today and what what? In what ways has your
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  Speaker 1: content in your mind shifted ort least your ideas shifted.
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  Speaker 3: So essentially, I think it's better to preface by saying
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  Speaker 3: I still disagree with feminism fundamental obvious, but as far
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  Speaker 3: as making direct video responses to feminism, not really. I
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  Speaker 3: more tackle the ideas as they exist, kind of as
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  Speaker 3: the I would say, default position. Right, If there's really
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  Speaker 3: any best way to understand red pill, blue pill, it
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  Speaker 3: would be that feminism that men and women are equal,
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  Speaker 3: they're interchangeable. We're not supposed to think, well, ironically enough,
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  Speaker 3: we are supposed to think higher of women, but not
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  Speaker 3: think higher of men. That's the default, regular position that
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  Speaker 3: people feel. And one thing that's interesting is when you
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  Speaker 3: take a step back and recognize that awareness, you see
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  Speaker 3: it's everywhere. It's it's even it's in track cons too,
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  Speaker 3: it's in it's even in some red pill spaces too, right,
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  Speaker 3: And we can kind of analyze that a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more in a little bit but essentially, but instead of
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  Speaker 3: like because it back in the old days, I would
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  Speaker 3: like take like a lazy green video, so to speak,
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  Speaker 3: and I would just tackle that directly and we would
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  Speaker 3: just address that fundamentally same thing old days, like well,
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  Speaker 3: I'm Marina, shut up. There's a couple of other girls
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  Speaker 3: I can probably remember, and we would just and I
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  Speaker 3: would just go in and just directly combat what they
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  Speaker 3: were saying. But now it's like it's a bit ubiquitous, right,
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  Speaker 3: So the ideals of feminism again, it's so normalized. It's
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  Speaker 3: like you, it's just you naturally will have to come
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  Speaker 3: into contact with it.
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  Speaker 2: So making a.
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  Speaker 3: Video directly about let's say, you know, there's one of
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  Speaker 3: the top glorious Steiner but it just off of my head,
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  Speaker 3: it's not really something I feel like we need to
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  Speaker 3: do at this point because now it's just normalized.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So that's really what I mean when I say I
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  Speaker 3: don't focus on it too much anymore. Is that, like
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  Speaker 3: I won't go to find a specific feminist video and
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  Speaker 3: critique that. It's just whatever the theme is of the video.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we'll combat to feminism when it comes up.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of what I was saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I think I know what you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: and I've been saying this for a long time, is
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  Speaker 1: that we can give it a name.
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  Speaker 2: We can call it feminism. We're talking about a set.
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  Speaker 1: Of ideas or beliefs, or more accurately, the mythology of
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  Speaker 1: our world.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a mythology, right.
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  Speaker 1: But like there's no real Yeah, for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: there's no real distinction between someone who claims to not
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  Speaker 1: be a feminist and they're like they say, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: a conservative or whatever it is. Yeah, Tommy Laurence is
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  Speaker 1: a great example. Yeah, yeah, or yeah, or Hannah Cox
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. And then they'll they'll say, well, this puts
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  Speaker 1: me separate from you know, these crazy blue.
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  Speaker 2: I don't yeah, exactly when they pay for my stuff.
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  Speaker 1: The truth is, yeah, the truth is it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: the truth is it's the water that we swim.
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  Speaker 3: In essentially, right, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And and that's well, that's what the whole like
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  Speaker 1: there's this ongoing debate about the concept of centrism.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know, are you famili I assume you.
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  Speaker 1: Are, and you know, I think that guynocentrism and you
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  Speaker 1: can just let me know what you think about that.
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  Speaker 1: It is essentially describing the same phenomenon we're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we live in a time where the the
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  Speaker 1: idea that men and women are you know, this egalitarian
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  Speaker 1: notion is universal. Everyone just accepts it no matter how
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  Speaker 1: like how poor the outcomes are, because you know, before
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  Speaker 1: let's say we talk about dating a lot. I watched
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  Speaker 1: a couple of your videos to get sort of refreshed
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  Speaker 1: and see where you're at right now. And you've done
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  Speaker 1: a couple of videos about you know, like what do
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  Speaker 1: they call it.
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  Speaker 2: It's like shredded men or something like that. Drunk men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they're all like, oh, you know, have
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  Speaker 1: you noticed that men are really unattractive right now?
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  Speaker 2: And that kind of thing. In home math has done
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  Speaker 2: some content about that.
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  Speaker 1: And the the thing is is that we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: this as though the dating phenomenon, like at the dating market,
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  Speaker 1: has been better in the past, has only recently gotten
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  Speaker 1: a lot worse.
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  Speaker 2: But I actually challenged that notion.
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  Speaker 1: Because I've been thinking a lot about what we did before,
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  Speaker 1: not just before the Internet, not just before social media
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  Speaker 1: or dating apps, but before dating itself, like maybe one
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  Speaker 1: hundred years ago. How did people get together? Was it
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  Speaker 1: really romantic love that kept people together?
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  Speaker 2: Right? I mean, I don't know what you think about that, but.
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  Speaker 3: No, I think that's a great thing to challenge for
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  Speaker 3: numerous reasons. I think the past is a lot more complex,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that traditionalism is a bunch of nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: I remember, back in the old days, I was just
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  Speaker 3: thinking about this earlier. There's this one guy who made
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  Speaker 3: a it was called Descent of Manisphere. I think he
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  Speaker 3: made a couple of days about the honey Managers too.
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  Speaker 3: I forget his name, though, And he said that I
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  Speaker 3: was a guy who wanted to go back to the fifties,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, no, I never wanted to go
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  Speaker 3: back to the fifties. I just think that the future
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  Speaker 3: needs to be a little bit different. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to go back to the past. I want a better future.
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  Speaker 3: That's kind of my philosophy. And I say that because
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  Speaker 3: when you look at the traditionalism of the fifties, so
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  Speaker 3: to speak, right, that's really accurate. No, exactly, it's the
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  Speaker 3: suburbanism of the fifties that's higher upper middle class, and
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  Speaker 3: that was really for white people, right the African Americans
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  Speaker 3: in the fifties, they were still in that's still Jim Crow.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't really have that traditionalism structure of just the
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  Speaker 3: one man working and everything works well. And then guess what,
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  Speaker 3: not every white person had that either. And so this
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  Speaker 3: caricature that we see now with the trad wives, this
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  Speaker 3: is not it's it's foolishness, it's you know, it's just
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  Speaker 3: the skin. It's not really what traditionalists, what traditionalism really was.
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  Speaker 3: And I set that up to say because going off
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  Speaker 3: the thought you were saying, when you think about the
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  Speaker 3: way people operating in the past, there's this guy named Sean.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm saying his name correct that Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: this is Sean. He's excellent, right. I just love it
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  Speaker 3: because he talks about the dowry lot and that that's
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  Speaker 3: his thing. I think it's hilarious. But really, essentially, if
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  Speaker 3: I understand the theme of what he's saying is that
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  Speaker 3: when we used to come to marriages or having relationships,
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't like well, I just loved you so much.
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  Speaker 3: I just the sparks flew. You know, everything just fell
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  Speaker 3: into place and it all just worked.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: It was I'm weak in the knees. No, it was okay,
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  Speaker 3: well you have this, and then I have that, and
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  Speaker 3: then let's see, how do we allow.
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  Speaker 2: A business merger?
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  Speaker 3: Was exactly And that's the key part, right. Not only
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  Speaker 3: are you saying it's a business merger, but it's between families.
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  Speaker 3: It's all about family creation. The dowry set up one
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  Speaker 3: family so that you can set up the next family.
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  Speaker 3: And it just went on going on going that way, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so many people we look at the technology of dating.
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  Speaker 3: I remember, I don't know if you remember roos V. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I'll never forget this. Ruche V said dating doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember the first time he said that, people
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  Speaker 3: laughed at them. But I thought about it. I actually
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  Speaker 3: a video about it too. I thought about it for
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  Speaker 3: a second, and I was like, well, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 3: We keep seeing all these toxic relationships. We keep seeing
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  Speaker 3: all these people complaining, We keep seeing all this divorce,
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  Speaker 3: we keep seeing all of these I'm born in. We
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  Speaker 3: keep seeing all of this, and it's like, maybe there
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  Speaker 3: is something to be said about this technology quote unquote
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  Speaker 3: dating that is does not seem to be bringing forth
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  Speaker 3: good fruit. It doesn't seem to be functional or working.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that there's so many different things in
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  Speaker 3: between that that's just really making it dysfunctional. But to
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  Speaker 3: get to your greater point, because I think you're absolutely correct, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that dating was something in the older
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  Speaker 3: generations even longer, but even like forty fifty years ago,
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  Speaker 3: sixty years ago, it's a lot different than how we
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  Speaker 3: set it up. But there's this mythos again of traditionalism,
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  Speaker 3: this mythos that men pay for the first dates. So
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, hold on, wait a minute, Well men
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  Speaker 3: probably paid on the first date because they had more money.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't really that I'm going to show I'm the
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  Speaker 3: great provider. No, it's like, it's just what you did.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't think, like, see, what we what
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  Speaker 1: we imagine now is that like a guy runs into
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  Speaker 1: a girl at a library or at you know, at
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  Speaker 1: like some kind of like I don't know, social event,
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  Speaker 1: and and they and they just like the sparks fly
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  Speaker 1: and they start seeing each other and then he brings
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  Speaker 1: her over to meet his parents and she does that.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think that's how it was for I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking because like everything we're discussing now about dating, that's
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  Speaker 1: still like in the nineteen hundreds, that's still in the
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  Speaker 1: twentieth century. So if you go back to like before that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, not just considering that. You know what, what
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  Speaker 1: what some people would say is that like in the
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  Speaker 1: old days, you only knew the people that were in
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  Speaker 1: your community. So if you lived in a town, you
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  Speaker 1: knew the girl that lived in the town, and you
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  Speaker 1: grew up together and you went to school together, so
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  Speaker 1: naturally you were gonna end up together because that was
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  Speaker 1: what was your in your vicinity.
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  Speaker 2: And the mistake is that.
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  Speaker 1: We've essentially like broaden that lens to encompass the entire world.
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  Speaker 1: So you got like girls getting hit up by dudes
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  Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia, you know, that want to fly them
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  Speaker 1: over there so they can take a dump.
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  Speaker 2: On their chest or something. But but the.
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  Speaker 1: Truth is is that even then it was I think
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  Speaker 1: even that was a recent thing, and it did have
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  Speaker 1: to involve the family, as you said, So I guess
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  Speaker 1: when you when you call it a trad con set up,
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  Speaker 1: I almost challenge that being like, what is the appropriate
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  Speaker 1: because that's still a relatively modern invention, and I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people who claim that title this is And I'm very
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  Speaker 1: specific about that because I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: say I am this, and therefore we're supposed to associate
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of like beliefs with that, And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's right because that's like a man saying I'm
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  Speaker 1: a woman and we're just supposed to call him a woman.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same thing, right, or or you know, the Jubilee.
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  Speaker 1: I just want as an aside, Jubilee. Do you know
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  Speaker 1: who Jubilee is? They have like a you Tube channel,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the channel, Yeah, the channel where they have like different setups.
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: They just did a thing yesterday that I watched and
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: it was it's called agree or Disagree, where they have
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: like varying degrees of they say something and then people
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: walk to a line and it was all on men
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I want to watch this. Yeah,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: it was a group of men, right, But then I
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: start watching it and they got like there's there's almost
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: no men on the panel, Like there's like they're males
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: like by sex, but they're like dudes from California. They
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: all know that everybody they're not normal. There's like a yeah,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: there's no normal guy. There's like a neurodivergent guy. There's
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: a queer guy. And it was like a trans man
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and the trans and obviously the transman want to remind
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: everyone they were a transman every time they had something
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: to say. I'm like, why are we listening to you?
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Like you've only been a man for about five years?
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: If I even accept that definition. But my point is
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: is that just because somebody says there's something doesn't mean
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: they are. I just look at what they do. So
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: like trad trad cons today they're all feminists. They're just
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: feminists from like a couple, you know, decades ago at
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: the most.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: They loved it and they loved to say, look, the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: first wave feminism I'm all for. Yeah, yeah, right, was good. Okay,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: I guess yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: You know the guy Andrew Claven You know who Andrew
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Claven is of the Daily Wire. He I used to
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: watch him, and I regret that, but he used to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: be like all the time saying I'm anti feminist. That
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: was one of the reasons and the reason why I
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: watch him because he would say he was anti feminist,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: so I was like, okay, prove it. I would watch
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: him and no, absolutely, not like he's just like I'm sorry.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: He was just like pro second wave. That's that's still bad.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was. That was that's the beginning
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: of the end right there.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, for sure.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean I think it goes further back, but that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: was definitely like the the inability.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: To question that paradigm is the problem.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: And it is because you know, it is sort of
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: like our That is what I think Goocentro's it's the
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: modern exactly mythology around romance, love and dating.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: And yeah, this elevation of the feminine or the feminine
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: value above the male value. I mean, for example, even
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Myron Gains will say, you know, men are born with
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: no value. Women are born with all their value. I say,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: that's nonsense, especially when the premise is that on a
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: sentral basis, right, the premise is right that as a
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: male centrally, right, you're disposable, you have no value. As
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: a female because you can incubate, you have a total value, right,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: just because this is all just what is But this
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: ignores the reality that every female is not a worthy mother.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: And this ignores the reality that every de selected male
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: is not a bad father. There's no nuance in between this.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: We just assume because it is the case that males,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: any one male, could populate a population. Then that is
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: why we treat males as if they're disposable. That's nonsense.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Men build stuff, men are electricians, men are protectors, men
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: or farmers. That's nonsense. You can't have a society of
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: one male that populated one hundred women, even if you
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: logically understand, oh, it can be done feasibly. Who protects
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: those ninety nine children, the one dude, the one male
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: who provides for them, the one dude, Come on, be reasonable, right,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And so paradigm.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Is how many is you're going to have after a generation?
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: But exactly and then you know the recycling genetically, then
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: we just think about it genetically. Yeah, you got to
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: plan it out and you know, but the idea is that,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: you know, because it is the capacity for males to
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: be able to impregnate so many women.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: We ignore everything that is a father to a child,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: or we ignore a mother that doesn't want children, who
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: will just get an abortion, right, So it's like, how
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: does she have more value when she doesn't want to
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: reproduce at all? If the whole thing is based on reproduction,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: she doesn't want reproduce, what value does she have? Right?
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: They don't think like that, you know. And so it's
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: it's a it's a real foolishness to elevate women just
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: on the basis of their existence, right, Like this whole
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: guid no centrism thing is a real deification of women
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: being great because they are. I mean, for example, I
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: want to double back and make another video about this too.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: There's a video I response I did to a guy
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: named Deontay Kyle about It's called the Price We Pander
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and and one thing he said it was a little
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: bit of a throwaway line, but it's so critical. He said,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: if you get a good woman in your life, are
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you gonna see how your life changes? I said, what
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: are you talking about? What? What do you what? What
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: where did that come from? Why do you think, well,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: just get a woman and then everything will just be great? Well?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Is it because of her character? Is it because she's
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: a smart woman, a kind woman? And like what is
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: it just because she's there?
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Why do we even submit ourselves to this, and to me,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I think it's a little ridiculous because without character, no
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: person is great. In my humble opinion, like, we got
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: to see who are they, what do they do? How
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: do they speak? I've dealt with many a women who
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: were far from a boon to my life. They were
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: absolutely horrendous human beings. So it's like, and from my
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: point of view, no, just getting a woman don't mean nothing, right,
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: that's my thint, at least for the moment.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I think something else too that I've been thinking about recently,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: talking to my wife about it. I think that the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: entire dating paradigm that we're all like wrestling with right
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: now is feminine in its construction. So this is another
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: example of dinocentrism in my opinion, is that the whole
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: idea of romantic love is something that women like. They
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: just like the idea of it because it feels nice
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: right to be pursued by a guy that woos them
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and winds them and dines them, and so they want
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to keep it that way.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: If it becomes like a you know, like a.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Dowry situation or like a business merger or whatever, then
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they think that it loses something because it doesn't make
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: them feel like warm inside, even if like most of
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the time these things are at least a growing number
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of these arrangements are catastrophic. And I also think it's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a way for women to engage in intersexual competition with
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: other women. They're usually because most of the time when
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: women are flexing online, they're not flexing on men, they're
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: flexing on women.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: You know, that's a good observation. That's a good point,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: that would that would Yeah, that's actually that's something I
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: didn't think too hard about. Actually, that's a great observation
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: that that the whole status thing. Let's say, for I
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: don't know if you know who Wizard Liz is, because
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: just off the top of my head, if she might be,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: she's one of those, uh you would say, high value
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: women gurus, one of those like no value.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Men talking about the like the female dating strategy type.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: So very similar and of such regard, right, And it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: it's interesting, it's an interesting observation. I think you just
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: kind of clicked something in my head that like the
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: whole thing of like why they say I'm with this
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: great man is more to stunt on other women than
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: it has anything to do with other men. It's more like, look,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I'm the special woman, I'm the great woman. You guys
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: need to be like me, like cheer A seven. I'm
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: sure you've heard of like cheer seven before the whole sprinkles.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh I know, I know, crimm, which, now that.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I think about it, I think you know is a
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: great observation. It does seem like part of that really
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: is more I'm gonna put down all the other women
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: around me than really it means anything about men not
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: being good. Like it's more like I'm good. I'm with
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: my great husband.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is of how this man is, proof of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: how statis I am. And that is that's why I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: say the entire romantic model is feminine, Like it is
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: arranged around what women want.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So I think you're percent right. Yeah, Like just even
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: even the concept of like any like on the front
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: end of dating, right, a male has to prove himself
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: worthy to be with a woman, right because like the
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: implication is that a woman would not even want to
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: be with you unless you convince her or like there's
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: something about you as a male like that that isn't
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: enough for a woman. So you have to give her money, right,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: or like you have to you have to be handsome,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you have to be sexually appealing, you have to have
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: a good personality, you have to entertain her, so to speak,
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: because like you as the person whatever that is, that
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: doesn't really mean much of anything to her. Why why
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: should she care about you? And I've seen this such
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: actually on Twitter quite quite frequently, actually, especially when you
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: see like an in cell speaker, you see a lonely
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: male speak people, well, why should a woman care? What
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: what do you provide to a woman? And it's like, well,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: hold on, why is there no heroism or goodness in
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: women to care amount a man that's quote unquote lesser
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: than her. See, it's interesting people don't think about that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: The heroism of a male, even thing you wear in
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: a Superman shirt right now. The heroism of Superman is
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: someone who is so powerful is absolved of the weakinesses
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: of humanity. I'm going to do good because I'm the
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: only one who can always do good. That's Superman. What
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: the flip is the is the female version of charity
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and grace to a male. When it comes to dating,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: you can't find it. You can find prostitution. Think about it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: If you pay Bingo exactly right, because they get the
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: prostitution and they get the sex, right, they get the
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: money and they get the sex. And you know, it's
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: interesting because people don't even think about that aspect of
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: it either. It's like I'm paying for your food and
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: then to have sex with you, as if you are
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: not a part of having sex, Like you don't get
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: anything out of that arrangement, Like it's just like I'm
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: being service. You don't get anything out of it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: And to me, ye like yeah, like women are always
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: doing men a favor by being around that even you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: never mind the sexual like you know.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: We're here together, right, like we enjoy it together. It's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: just me, you don't get nothing.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know that.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: But you see that is the framing and and and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you're right about a lot of prominent sort of red
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: pill guys. Then I've been saying this from the beginning,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: even when they were still called PUA's. I used to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: say this is that they essentially measure their worth by
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: how much favorable attention they get from women. So they're
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: they're the the sort of like the female approval is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: central to their identity, right, and that in that way,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I think that you know, this is where the PUAs
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: lose me, although I understand, you know, where the drive
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: is to try to get laid and and the red
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: pill guys like well, and I think they're just like,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you know, an evolution of the pu ways.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Some of them find.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Their way and that that Roose for example, has left
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: that behind and he's like gone. I think he's like, yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: he's an Orthodox Christian now and I think married.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I haven't really followed up with him in a while.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Fair well maybe not, maybe he'll celibate, but but yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: like the guys like fresh and fit and you know, uh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tate and these guys there they are and they're
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: still using that too, because like on the one hand,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: women use their the men of status to flex on
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: other women, these men will use the number of women
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to flex on other men while also saying, if you
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: want to be like me, you know, buy my class
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: or join my club or whatever.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Right, so you know women are the social proof, right.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, women are the success with women is the social proof.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: And that's I think what we have to get away
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: from is just seeing it as like the end all
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of currency, because Isaac Newton would we say that he
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was an important figure in our history, and he was like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Mick taois fuck like he died from.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: What I understand, But like, we don't. We don't.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: We don't have admiration for men who essentially remain celibate
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and do great things.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Right, And I think, I think, I think that I've
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: I've figured out the reason why while back ago, it's
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: because like, unfortunately, for for male, sex is the last
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: great like rite of passage, so to speak, right, like
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: it's the last great endeavor thing that you have to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: do in order to hold on. I can hear something
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: in the background.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Is it me?
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe I think I have an my bad. That was
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: my bad.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: It was me my bad. I had a tab I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: was waiting for another live stream that I said when
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: it started it started, Yes, I posted that my bad.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: That was me that.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so unfortunately, I think sex is the last
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: great endeavor for males. And I put in quotation marks,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: but it's like it is the thing that when you're
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: in high school, at least a lot of people maintain
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: this mentality being able to be with a woman. It
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: suggests that you are a good man. It suggests that
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: you are a successful man. And here's the thing. People
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: will maintain and cut down any in celler any due
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: complain on the internet. If you don't have a woman,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: that means there's something wrong with you. So the implication
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: is that having the female, or sex with a female,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: or acquisition of sex with the female, it means you
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: are good as a male, you were, you're the correct male,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: you're the great man, whatever, you know. And people they
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: put so much stock on it, and it's a wide
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: spectrum of different aspects will put on. We'll say you're
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: like women. I was just I was just on twity
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the other day. Someone's like, women don't like nice guys
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: because they only mate with like the strong, the strongest
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: man like their their DNA is hardwired to find that, right.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: So one, I think that's nonsense. But two, if he
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: believes that, then him having sex with a woman then
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: means that he's strong, right, And that's when that's when
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: we all get into that, right. So I think unfortunately
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: again that kind of goes back to this elevation and
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: deification of just like.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Why do we you know, just insider with it, why
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: do you why do we believe that? For and I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: know you're putting it. You put it in quotes when
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: you said it, But why is sex the final like
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: right of passage for men?
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Because I don't think that's what. I don't think that
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was historically true. I think that was like a given,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that's you know, So why do we believe that?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: That? What a great question? What an actually great question.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I think part of that might have to come back
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: down to to the sexual revolution kind of deregulating the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: sexual markets, or you know what it might be better to
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: say in real time, as I developed this theory, it
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: is the creation of the sexual market, because I think
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: that learning what I've learned about you know, dowries, in
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the way that old marriages were constructed, old arranged marriages
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: were constructed, there were some marriages that were constructed with
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: direct requests. And what I mean is that, like you
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: could go up to the woman's father and directly ask
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: can I marry her? And he may very well say
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: yes you can, right, like you lay out what you
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: your proposal, like a proposal was literally a negotiation, you
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: suggesting what you have and what you can do for
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the daughter, and he may very well say yeah, go
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: ahead and the woman might not have even met the
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: husband to be given to them right there, right, And
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: so you know there's there's a lot of these nuances
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: in history. Then when it comes with the sexual revolution
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: right where it's now like we we quote unquote disconnect
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: sex from reproduction and from that we disconnect sex from
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: family creation. Now sex becomes this thing of seeking pleasure
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: right now, the thing that's like, which which is strange
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: to think because this is how we treat it, or
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: at least is how it's described, but it's not in
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: its reality. But it's like, we treat it like it's
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: this separate goal independent of the person we're with, which
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: is nonsensical, right because it requires the person physically in
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: order to do it. But it's like, and this is
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: how you get you know, the the fuck boy so
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: to speak, or the narcissistic males or the high value
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: males who use women. This is how you get to
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: this mentality. Because again, if sex isn't about reproduction and
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: it's just about like the pleasure, then women become well
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: sexual objects, right, they become a thing to obtain, right,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: and I think that part of that, well.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: So a sexual objective, I wouldn't call it. I don't
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: like the objectification things. Yeah, good, yes.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And I could see why you wouldn't like sexual objectification
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: because the reality is, like you can't. You can never
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: technically separate the aspect of having sex with a woman,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: right like, if you're having sex with her, that's a
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: human thing. She's not an object by definition, And I
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: would agree with that one hundred percent. But I think
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: more to like just help people understand it. It's like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: if you were to look at it and say, sexual
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: objectification is using a person for the ends of just sex,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: right like you don't care beyond that.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: No, I know, it's like I think people can do that,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but that but that would be the only way you
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: can do that is if you play sex itself and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I know, good, it feels good.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, I get I'm not downing on it.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But if you take it and you put it in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: its own category outside of family creation, outside of relationships,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: outside of marriage, then it I think, then then that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: what becomes the thing that men are expected to pursue,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and their worth is measured on how much they get.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: And this also brings about.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: The the well, what what people would say is a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: paradox of when women get more of it, it.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Actually devalues that.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: That's great, right, because it's easier for them to get
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: so it doesn't like, you know, like they they will
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: con feminists will constantly and just like people will constantly
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: whine about like why is it, Like you know, when
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: when a woman sleeps around, we don't celebrate them, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: when a man does. And we all know the answer
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: to that. But I think that it's because we have
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: separated the sexual act from what you used to be
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the consequences of that, which is why we would think
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that what was higher than sex acquisition was chastity because
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you were actually exercising restraint and discipline.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Right, Like women, Yeah, like why is it? Or men too?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: But like why is it?
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Like you know, it used to be said that boxers,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: if they wanted to be really successful, they had to
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: like not have sex before a big fight because they
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: would go in and they'd be kind of drained and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: they you know, might not win. It's just an example, right,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: And like historically we were, at least in the West,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: we were you know, we were supposed to think that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: chastity was you know, a sign for men and women
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was a sign of good character. And it also had good,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: better outcomes based on the fact that again you don't
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: have like, you know, children running around or or you
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: don't know where you've been, or you have ScDs because
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know they could have been a product of of
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: being loose or whatever. So I think that is when
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I'm going back to the sexual revolution of the when
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: we liberated women, which I think has led to a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: lot of other problems. I think there's a there could
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: be a direct correlation to the devaluement of men as
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a result of that, because suddenly something that women had
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to earn by attracting a man that was going to
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: support her was now she could just get it from wherever.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And of course men were always willing to give it
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to them because they're just thirsty. So you devalue the
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: experience for them. You and I think that you make
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: it so readily available that women are always looking to,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, to level up, right, so you get hypergamy
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: is like put on overdrive, and a lot of women
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: they have an idea of their worth that is way
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: outside of reality, so they think they deserve like you know,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: you've seen the hand beasts that a on the Whatever podcast,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and they're all calling each other tens. I think it's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: a delusion, but I but I understand where it came from,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: you know, And I think.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: There are multiple layers to that delusion. I think, yeah,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: for sure, multiple from both women and from just their
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: lived experience. There's so many of these women and they'll say, listen,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: fam I gotta have a whole bunch of dudes in
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: my dms. Right There's this one I remember, I forget
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: her name. I think her name was like Clementine or
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: something like that, and and Brian and Andrew were arguing
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: with her. They're going back and forth with her, and
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: she was like, listen, guy, Like she was like, team, listen,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I have guys in my dms like right now, like
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I'm a single mother, guys still want me. There's no
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: there's no shortage. And they're like, yeah, but do they
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: really want to be with you? And she's like, yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: they really want to be with me, and I don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: really want to be with them. And I believe her
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: right because unfortunately, I think I think there's been such
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: an inflation.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: But the thing about the semps, it's almost like the
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: chicken and the egg thing. A lot of people get
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: really upset with simps. But they don't think about it, right,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: because it's like, well, hold on, if you push so
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: many women away from men, right, and they just don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: have anything, but they get little droplets right. Think about
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the law diminishing marginal value. The less of something you have,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the more value it is.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: The less attention they get, right, the more value it
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: has when they get it. If they go there, they
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: go years of their lives never being touched, never being kissed,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: never being held, never being affirmed by a woman. Little
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: droplets of that. I can understand very easily why it
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: can mean so much, right, and so people are really
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: frustrated with sense. People hate them so much. But it's like, well,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: hold on, team. If this sense was able to be
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: in a relationship with a woman for a consistent period
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: of time, is this how we get this behavior? Do
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: we get this behavior from having a good relationship with
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: a woman for a while, or is this because of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: a drought of not being able to be with women
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: at all so they have to try so hard. Let's
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: also add in we do condition men two with the
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: whole romantic comparative we talked about earlier accident conversation. We
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: do condition men to be worthy of a woman. You
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: have to provide, you have to give her things. You
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: have to prove your self worth, you have to show
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: where you're a good man, Right, so you combine the
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: two together. To me, it's not a mystery why we
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: have simps.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: I you know, yeah, I know, I think, I know.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I agree. No, No, I think that's right. I said that.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: You know, back when, like nobody really thought about whether
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: or not they deserve to be with someone, right that,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Like where we're at now is it starts from you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a woman looks at a man and she's like, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: think I can do better than that.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: That's usually how it goes, right.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Usually back in the day though, that you either you know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: you either got with whoever was in the area or
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you or whoever went to your church, or whoever was
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: your neighbor, or whoever went to your class or whatever,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: or you were just alone and we didn't have the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: luxury of making these choices. So because we have skewed
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: women's perception of their own worth, we have created this problem.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: So I'm I don't blame simps for existing. I know
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that it comes from, although I do think there's other
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: factors too, Like I think there's cultural things, like, again,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: we're living in a global world now, so a lot
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: of the guys that are in these women's dms could
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: be from like the Middle East or India or something,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and so you don't like that. You don't know, they
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: could just be a bobs and begin and like they
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: have no intention of coming here. They just want they
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: just want to talk to you.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes I'll look at average, average looking women,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: like mid women that post a picture of themselves on
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: X and I'll just go to the comments to see
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: where the simping is at, and a lot of it
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is foreign dudes, and so all I can say is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: they probably don't have a lot going on where they are,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: and so they're just like fuck it, you know, like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it's a it's a post. I just put it out
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: there and I don't expect anything out of it. So
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I don't hate simps, but I do think that men
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: need to find a better way to measure their worth
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: outside of female approval.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: And that's the only that's what that's what has to happen.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately a lot of those red pill guys they
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: fall into that trap. And maybe it's because they're kind
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: of winning. So they get to like, they look at me,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I got women. But it's like yeah, for now,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: but that's not really a good long term solution.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: So go ahead.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, that's that's all I want to
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: say about that. Let's you want to know you.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Cause you're absolutely hundred percent correct. I've been thinking about
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: this too, and I've made a few videos. I think
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of people don't recognize. Man, there's a lot
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: of red pillars.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: They're just the simps that won. Legitimately, they worked out,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: they got big muscles, well, women like big muscles. Okay,
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: they went and got a high paying job. Oh, lots
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: of money. Women like lots of money. Okay. They have
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: an interesting, fun personality. Okay, so they're very fun to women.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: Where in this arc did they do all this for themselves? Now,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: granted they'll say it, but but hold on, this is
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: all things that women want. So they all curated a personality,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: body type, and money that was appealing to women. How
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: come none of their advice was go read Tolkien, Go
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: read a Song of Ice and Fire and deconstruct it
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: and learn from it, and then go write your own
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: book and present that to a woman. Notice that's not
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the advice. What's the advice, it's what appeals to women.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: And so they became an individual that appeal to women.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: People don't recognize or see. That's just the other side
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: of being a sim one. Sip does what women say
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: they want. The other does what women respond to. It's
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: all measured by what women want. It's not about being good,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: it's not about being virtuous. It's not being a great father,
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: it's not being a great friend, companion. It's what do
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: women want?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, women want this.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: They want compliments, they want attention, they want money. I'll
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: give it to you. When then we find out, well, really,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: if you're not handsome, they don't really care too much. Okay,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: so they want me to be handsome and muscular. Okay,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I'm handsome muscular. Do they affirm you emotionally? Do they
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: actually care about you when you suffer? No? Not really.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: They just want to have sex with you. And you'll
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: see that. And what do a lot of the jaded
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: red pillars say that when they're with women, they get bored.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: They get bored because sex gets born. They get tired
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: of it. It's not that important and then they reframe it,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: go focus on your purpose and go do that And
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, well why didn't you just do that
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: to begin with? Then, like if that was what was important, right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's ultimately not fulfilling. And that's the thing
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: that what we what where I think we're also going
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: wrong is that the the great virtues are completely abandoned,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: just virtues in general for what is more like a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: material measure, right, So women look at how much a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: man makes, what kind of Bugatti he's driving, how he's dressed,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: how many people are like, you know, look up to
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: that person for all of that material wealth and status.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Women are some of the most material. They're more materialistic
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: today than they ever have been. So a man who
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: as you to your point, you know, is interested in philosophy,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: reads Tolkien, is a creative person whatever. Maybe they make
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: like a decent living, like they're not a bum, but
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: they're not like super loaded. Those guys will get overlooked
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: because we don't value that at least not not in let's.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Say, most of the urban like parts of the West.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Like I think that I moved to because I was
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: talking to you before the show, I used to live
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: in Chicago, and I grew up there, and then I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: moved to Roanoke, Virginia, which is a much smaller city,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: like three hundred thousand people, but a lot of people
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: are you know very much. This is a completely different world.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of people who are They're Christian,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: they're married, they have lots of children. I go to
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: an Orthodox church and I see people are winning here.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: They're like winning and like they know that. The reason why, though,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: is because they know what their worth is, Like they
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: have a realistic perspective on who they are. So these
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the women are like, I'm not I'm not
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: a tend Like they wouldn't even think of looking at
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: it that way. You know, they're just happy to be
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: with the man they are. And I think that it's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with the fact
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: that they probably have learned this or got this and
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: skilled early. You don't get divorces there. It just doesn't
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: happen because they're not marry through the government. They're married
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: through the church. It's like a it's a it's a sacrament.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: It's a different thing. It doesn't look the same. It's
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: not just like a piece of paper, but we have
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in the modern In modernity, we treat marriage as disposable
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: as a relationship. I saw I've been saying that, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: marriages today are the new like sort of like boyfriend
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: girlfriend of yesterday going steady, and the going steady of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: today is actually just hookups.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Like that's the difference, Like we don't even take it
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to that other level.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And so you're right, yeah, right, Me and my friends
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: we were just watching. We watched, we watched too at
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: least of these of these ladies talking about why they
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: got divorced, right, and one I remember, I was just
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: so insinned by her, right because she she she really,
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: what's what I'm looking for? She added a lot of
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: she embellished a lot of her nervous system, giving her
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: the warning signs of how she knew she shouldn't have
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: been with this man. Now, of course, I'm just gonna
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: pause to say, Okay, what a crappy warning system that
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: you had, the spider sense and you just ignored it.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: What a great warning system that turned out to be.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I guess if that's the case. But what she was saying,
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: at least to me I can summarize, sounds like she
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: didn't really want to be with her husband. To begin with,
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: they were together for five years, and she says she
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: found the wedding ring at some point and she had
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: this panic attack and she felt like this this dread.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: And I say, well, it kind of seems more like
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the reason why you felt this way was because you
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: knew he wanted to get married, but you also didn't
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: want to leave him. Because then she adds, in this
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: other detail, we were living together and if I were
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to leave him, it would be difficult for me to
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: go live on my own. I say, oh, now it
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: all makes sense. You can't just leave him because you
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: need him in order to facilitate an easier life, because
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: he's half your income, right, he's half the living expensive.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: But you don't want to get married to them because
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: you don't actually want to be with them. Now, this
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: is where we get the panic attack. And so she
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: goes back and she you know, she mystifies it and
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: she has the spider sense and everything, but really she
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: didn't want to be there. And so the reason why
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: she's able to get a divorce to bring it all together, right,
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: going back to what you're saying, it's more like dating
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: to her is because she gets to the end of it,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: like I don't want to be here, and instead of
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: well I vowed to be with him forever, it's I
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: don't want to be here anymore because I don't want
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: to be here anymore. That's about it for us. Yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: am I gonna am, I gonna change, Am I gonna evolve,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna reevaluate. No, I don't want to be here anymore.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: And you're you're one hundred percent right. That is how
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of people treat their marriages.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they treat it as like it's just like this
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: thing of convenience. You know, a lot of women they
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: want weddings. They don't want to be married. They want weddings.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: They want babies, shy, don't want babies. They want like
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that that day where they get to be the center
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of attention and everybody's showering them with gifts and they're
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: telling them how proud they are and how happy they
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: are for them. And that's the wedding. But after that,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: now they actually have to live that life. And I
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: think that we have to we really have to demystify that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: I think that it is, uh, you know, it's a
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: problem because I think that most of the time, if
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: a man decides to get married, it's because that's what
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: he wants.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think that he sees it like men do
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: they want weddings. No, they don't. They're not the center
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of attention at a wedding. It's not it's not something
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that they benefit from, like in something. Yeah, yeah I don't.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I mean I am married, but like I did in
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the courthouse, you know, so I didn't make it into
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a big thing.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that, uh that.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: And speaking of going back to the red pill guys,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: they don't really escape the consequences even if they are
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: considered to be a high status because what's the name
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: of the guy, not Myron, but the other guy.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: From fial Walter Walter.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like the short one.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like like Laurel and Hardy, like the short one. Yeah.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: He knocked up some chick and you know the story, right,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and she like he supposedly he pushed her to getting
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: an abortion and that's like a whole thing, and she
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to get an abortion, and everyone's shooting on
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: him for doing this, but it's like, yeah, but she
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: had sex with him, and she knew what kind of
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: guy he was, and she chose to like get pregnant.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: But what were you gonna say?
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: But here's the kicker, here's the thing that threads the
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: whole needle there. Right. People wanted to cramp on on
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Walter for this, right, but no one took a moment
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: to stop to think about, well, hold on, doesn't this
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: just confirm the what the red pill is saying? This
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: is just confirmed the issues of what meeting and dating
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: with women is materialism, short term relationships, ill regard. Right,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: isn't this she knew that this was in a crap tasting.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: It's a whole podcast that this man being with another
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: man kind of just disparaging the whole concept of being
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: with related. We're just gonna be honest, right, that's what
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: fashioned fit is. It's like, hey, he can have sex
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: with you, can't do much else with you. Kind of
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: sucks to do anything anything beyond that with you, guys.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: That's kind of just the whole theme of fresh and
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: fit ultimately. Right, So she goes on there and she's
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: with that guy, right, And at the end of it
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: all people are getting at Walter. They're so upset with
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Walter about it. But it's like team. He confirms that
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: they're right about the way these women are operating with
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: her body. She confirmed he is correct, Myron is correct.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: This is the state of affairs. Why are we more
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: upset at Walter for doing this than the woman who
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: went to the man who has the podcast saying he
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: will do it. He said he would do it, and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: he did it.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she thought she thought she was different.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: She thought, you know, and this is another thing that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: women do that nobody wants to face, which is a
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: thing that happened to my brother. They will get pregnant,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: not tell you on purpose to trap you into a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: relationship or a marriage if they want to keep you.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what she was trying to do.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I think that she used the fact that he you know,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: she was like, oh, he said that he loved me,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: and what Yeah, he's gonna say whatever he's got to say.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, but you know, you knew, you
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: knew what you were getting into.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: But I would be.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: With him in particular, with him exactly. It's not about
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: who he is, you know.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: But I think that she allowed herself to get pregnant,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: suddenly had this whole thing about oh, it's against my religion.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Apparently not against your religion. I have sex out of wedlock,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: but okay, and you got you got pregnant, and now
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: you're just basically saying you have to stay with me
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: and we have to keep the child.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: That was sad he ultimately did, yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and so then it's like, yeah, that was a
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of unfortunate non and and the thing that's
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: that's so sad, right, And this this is what frustrates
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: me about the red pill. I recognize how true it is,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: but I also dislike the lack of virtue that comes
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: with it because ultimately we we just saw Walter in
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: this woman I think your name's Daisy. They just played
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: a game with someone's life, and that life was their child.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: This was a game that just got played with the
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: whole person. Now they don't exist, right because she got
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: an abortion. But this is this is what goes all
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: the way back to the end of conversation, right when
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: we're talking about disconnecting sex. This is the this is
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: what the consequences of that is. Like we're literally just
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: like a boarding children, not having not thinking about family creation,
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: not having any seriousness in the in the actions that
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: we're participating in, and then who suffers. It's it's a
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: lot of our children, man, so the next generation, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: they really really really suffer. I was a substitute teacher
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: for a couple of years, man, and I saw more
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: in that that that young teenage level, like just just
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: how much pain a lot of these kids carry, man,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: And and it really sucks because like when it comes
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: to me in my channel, like one thing that really
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: does continue to motivate me is remembering that like ultimately,
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: like these are we're all real people that ultimate you know,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of pain that a lot of our
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: family and lack of creating a family gives us to us.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: And it's like before we talk about like the economy
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: and whatnot, we got to at least be able to
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: be with a woman and be with a man and
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: like care you see what I'm saying. There's this huge dragon.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Everyone wants to talk. Everyone loves all these different like liberals,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: they love this whole thing right about dealing with oppression
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: in the government and rights. But it's like you don't
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: even like men can't even go on a date and
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: be kind and just be sweet to just another human
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: being were talking about systems of oppression and all that,
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: you can't even just be normal, you know, And I
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: think a lot of people miss that, Like ultimately, man,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: life's about other people, dude.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well that's what we've been saying on here
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: for a long.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Time, is that, like, you know, if you don't address
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the issues between men and women, nothing else matters. Like
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: that's where we all come from, Like we are made
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: of each other, and so like you can't talk about
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: GDP and economy and for you know, fucking like and
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: even talk about that stuff if we're not making babies,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Like have you noticed, Yeah, yeah, because like that's what
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: we need. And I do think ultimately this is a
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: self correcting phenomenon because I think that from what I've seen,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: there are people forming families and they're staying together and
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: they're having lots of kids, and it's gonna shake out
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the way it's gonna shake out. And unfortunately, you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: that's just what like the conservatives, the people who are
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: truly conservative that are forming families, they're the ones that
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: are winning. They just they just are I'm not being
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: This isn't an ought, This isn't is This is what
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I've seen, and you know, I don't think it's good
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: per se.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think it's bad either, but I'm.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Saying that we have to address the issues between the
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: gap between men and women that seems to be growing.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Otherwise they're just gonna die off. And a lot of
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: women are already like coming to grips with this. I mean,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: when you're like thirty five and you're like where all
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the good men? It's like, yeah, how many eggs do
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: you have left? Like you're running out of time too.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: You can't just be pointing the finger and trying to
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: figure this out.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed this? Other two?
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: You?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: You live in Florida, right, we were just talking a
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: Are you like by like Disneyney Is it Disneyland that's
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: in Florida?
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Disneyland or University the Universal Studio?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Universe. I think disney World. I think Disneyland
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: is here in Florida.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I know a Disneyland or disney World is like a
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Disney place.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Universal Studio is absolutely here in Florida. That's yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: So here's something that I've I've been seeing more and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: more and because I'm a person, you know that's very
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: interested in culture, and I talk a lot about like
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: what's going on in our culture with our entertainment and
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: things like that.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I know that you went and saw Superman. Did you
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: see it yesterday?
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: I did?
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I did not, But I love Superman so obviously. And
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: but here's what I noticed is that our theme parks
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: all of the places, all of the things in our
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: culture that used to be targeted at either children or
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: families are dying because there are no children or families.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: And so like they just opened up. I just learned
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: this today. They're opening a chuck e Cheese in Disneyland
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: or disney World, remember which one for adults? A chuck
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: e Cheese for adults?
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Why? Because there are no children? And there are, but
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Adults that still go to Disney World and they're like
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: adult children. And that's the thing too, Like if you go,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: if you look, there's lots of videos of brown ass
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: people that don't have kids and they go to disney
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: World or Disney and to live out there.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Child Now, I give.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: And that's one thing I have noticed right now. The
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: chunky cheese tein that's crazy, that's blowing my mind. Man.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: But that's one thing I have noticed the Disney adult
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: thing is is it is fascinating that I have seen
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: more adults and Disney World.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: And a lot of women don't don't like, don't get
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: it twisted. It's not, it's it's women.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: So yeah, there is a lot of that actually, and
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: that's a great observation because I've noticed that too. But
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: that whole Chucky Cheese team, that blew my mind. That's ridiculous.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's one thing to make an arcade, it's
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: another thing to be chucky cheeses.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I just I never the Chucky cheese. But like, that's
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: because when I was a kid, we didn't have tugg
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: and cheese. We had Showbiz Pizza.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: And I asked my my mom all the time, I
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: want to go to show Biz Pizza because I want
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to see the animatronic Bears playings or whatever it.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Was she used to do it. So I assume it's
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's essentially, it's essentially an arcade. It's a it's
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: a pretty Yeah, it's essentially just an arcade hub with
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: pizza and food and prizes. That's essentially. Yeah. Obviously, you know,
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: more directed towards kids, kind of simple games to play
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: family thing.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to bring your kids.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, yes, exactly right. You know, like you know,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: other arcades are more competitive Tucky cheese. Yeah, it's it
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: is fun and just you bring your friends and your
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: family and you just chill out.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: There are no family things. Do you remember? Do you remember?
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: You're twenty nine, right, do you remember? Does anyone in
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the chat remember Discoveries though? Anybody that came out like
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties. It was around in the eighties
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: and nineties. It was Discovery Zone. I've never been there.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: And it was essentially like you bring your family to
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Discovery Zone. The parents can go like sit at a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: bar and have some food and drinks maybe, and the
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: kids can go and play with all the and it
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: was all like kind of like as say, edutainment stuff,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: but it was ballpits and slides and you know, and
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: it was like a place where kids can go and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: essentially burn out all their sugar while the parents kill out.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: It was a family thing. They close all the Discovery
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Zones because nobody was going DZ. Yes, they never got
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to go. Somebody in the chat said, I remember DZ.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: It was called Discovery Zone.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: See what what.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is because it seems like I'm a bit
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: of a tangent. What I'm saying is is that.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Our actual cultural.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Institutions are collapsing because we are not like we're not
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: only are we not making families, we're not even valuing families,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: like they're like there's no consideration for them. And so
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: everything that used to be like restaurants like I used
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: to go ponder Rosa, I used to go to you know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: red lobster like things you would bring chili's, Applebee's, whatever
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that those were for families. Now they're like they're just
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: for people to watch sports, like it's all, you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: single institutions. And I think the the the separating of
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: men from women and I and I put this more
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: on women. So I'm not blaming men for this per se,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: because I think that men can only do what is allowed, and.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I think that possible for them to like approach women.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: So yeah, created this, they created this divide, and I
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: think we're going to be feeling the pain.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Of that, you know, pretty pretty quickly here.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think on that point. The reason why
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: I don't really and it's not that I think men
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: are perfect. I don't think men are perfect. I don't
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: think anyone is. But the reason why I don't really
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: lambast males is because I think enough of that.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: No, my, my repair guys here, so I gotta wrap
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: it up maybe just a second.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, give me just a second and I'll wrap
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: it up here. Yeah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I got to end the show here because
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a maintenance guyho's gonna work on our air conditioner.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: So I'm sorry about that, I told them. So.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, but thanks guys for coming on the show.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you Zurrus for joining me. We'll do this again
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: very soon. Please like, share, subscribe, and comment. And sorry
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: for the abrupt ending. I'll talk to you guys the
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: next one.