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Marty Bent | WE WILL WIN | Simply Bitcoin IRL · Simply Bitcoin

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Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of
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Simply Bitcoin IRL. Today, I have a very special
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guest, really been looking forward to this, as a fellow
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content. Creator parties Marty's a
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legend, Man. Marty, started.
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It all big inspiration to me, to me personally.
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So very humbled to have him on the show today.
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onstage. Marty happy to have you, man.
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The kind words? Yeah, I think you were, you
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know, you were one of the, one of the basically Pioneers really
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because really, before the 2017 2018, 18 era, Bitcoin content
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was extremely, spares on the interwebs.
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Yeah, we have to give a shout out to Vortex, Jimmy song and
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others who held down. Who held down the fort at the
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Bitcoin show? Everyone their network is called
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that. Yeah, that was the only, at
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least, to show that that I wash the most every Sunday.
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It's Bitcoin, do show and yeah, it was We are getting into the
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content game of the beginning Bitcoin Focus but it's a lot of
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fun at the last five from the six years that I've been doing
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now. So a lot of things have changed
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for. Sure.
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At least specifically during the last bull market.
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It's almost as if a lot of it got professionalized, you know,
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the increase in production quality, that's for sure.
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So what was that? Like, you know, because I feel
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like in the beginning it was a lot like morgue.
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Guns. Oh it's just like, you know
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let's just spin it up and talk about Bitcoin.
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Let's see where this conversation leads us.
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Now you have these Productions, all the bells, and whistles, and
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all that stuff. So how is that like from your
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perspective? From my perspective, I feel like
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we're still lagging behind the higher-end Production shows but
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no it's been great to see. I've always been Advocate the
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more content the better, the more people out there producing
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content around Bitcoin, educating people about the coin,
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the better each individual has a different way of coming to an
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understanding, a bit Coy and relating to different producing
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content, producers with different ways of expressing
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ideas. And so I think overall, it's
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been incredible to watch and extremely happy that's
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happening. And it shows that there are a
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lot of people dedicated to making sure that the rest of the
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world understands Bitcoin. And yeah, I've been better
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production, which is better for everybody at the end of the day.
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Absolutely. So, one of the things I've
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noticed already, you know, specifically as time progressed
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right. And I think that all Bitcoin
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content creators like they kind of start in this is going to be
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a zombie attack. Podcast and be about Bitcoin and
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then slowly but surely you slowly start to seep into Elite
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before. You know it you start to talk
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about more macro World issues because you understand or at
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least maybe I'm talking about myself personally where you
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realize how much of a difference Bitcoin is going to make to the
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world and not talking about greater issues other than
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Bitcoin kind of finds you in a space and then you develop as a
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content creator, right? Initially it was like knows
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we're here to talk about Bitcoin and then you're like and then
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you start talking about all the things that Fiat money has
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broken and it in of itself. And there's just so many topics
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to talk about and then, you know, before, you know, it
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you're talking to, you know, other people that completely,
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perhaps, they're not even involved in Bitcoin yet, but
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you're looking at them just like, you know what you're
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talking about Bitcoin. Fixes that.
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So, you know, perhaps I'm talking about my own experience
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as a content, creator. But have you seen that as well?
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Do you have you seen yourself branching out into other subject
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matters that perhaps aren't necessarily really Bitcoin
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Centric or Bitcoin related? Yes.
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Certainly I mean so I have a in economics background and work at
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a hedge fund for a couple of years out of college.
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I was always enamored with this macro economics and talking
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about those topics. So we started incorporating as
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early on because obviously, good coin, as a potential new surpr
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of the reserve currency of the world, sort of fits into that
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macro picture but More and more throughout the years, it's
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combination of recognizing that these things are tangentially
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related to bitcoin. And just being as an individual
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running the scratch in a church curiosity.
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But energy has been a big topic on the show for many years and
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that started after I jumped down the bonding Rabbit Hole.
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Working at Great American binding and started to become
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more familiar with the energy sector and help it coin was
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getting integrated into it and How it has its own Fiat
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problems, particularly with subsidies.
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And this weird ESG narrative kind of popped up over the last
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five years and then obviously we've done a lot of content with
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ranchers and farmers and Texas swing at the the beef initiative
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to highlight that sort of the parallel economy that is very
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similar. R.
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To Bitcoin in the sentence Grassroots and it is a stronger
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system that that's sufficiently distributed geographically.
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Then either? Personal pitch that I've been
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scratching is more taboo topics, like be having Whitney went on
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to talk about everything, going on behind the scenes with
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intelligence agencies and/or, economic for these demons that
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exist out there. And then as covid, lockdowns and
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the vaccine rollout happened, Once again, individually curious
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about exploring those topics in a way in which the mainstream
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media and refused to, and so, I decided to bring people on to
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talk about those topics as well because nobody in the mainstream
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is talking about it. So, yeah.
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TFT see, the interview Series has evolved over the years.
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I like to think we always had like a half, technical half
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macro view on bitcoin. to start but as a codon remaining whole
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Rabbit Hole, energy came or became more of a prominent topic
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on the show and the The Marty Jones and they just felt
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compelled to dive into the more taboo topics as well.
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It's interesting. Because so you call yourself
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Marty Jones, my audience calls me, Nico, Jones.
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We, we, we definitely get into those topics a lot.
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The way we have different vocabulary for them.
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My producer who's in the back right now?
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No, he calls them, the the high-level parasites.
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I called them the Demons. That's my personal favorite.
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But yeah, I mean, how could you not cover those topics
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specifically? Because like the way that I view
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this Marty is like this really is kind of like a peaceful
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Revolution and you're looking at this, you know, what the world
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economic Forum really is? Like, if you have the Bitcoin
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conference, the world economic forum is like the container
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Conference of, you know, this party of all where all the
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central planners hang out and they try to you No Central plan
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to put it very, very gently and nicely.
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How could you not talk about those topics?
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And then I think the importance of the rise of Citizen
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journalism where individuals like you and I the internet has
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empowered us and has given us the ability to communicate
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directly to an audience. With in also gives us the
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ability to circumvent the leg. Gatekeepers of information right
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away that, you know, traditional media companies that are
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supposed to be doing the job that just individuals have just
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been been doing for them. And I think it's just because
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they've just been bought by special interests.
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How could you not talk about those topics?
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Because if not us, then who write it, if there is no one
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that's willing to, at least provide a counter narrative to
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all the BS that they're spouting about El Salvador and, you know,
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you mentioned The pandemic and all the things that YouTube
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doesn't like we talked about who else is going to talk about
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that, right? So in essence, in a way, I feel
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like it is it is, it is a responsibility for ethical
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content creators to bring up those topics.
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Talk about those topics because other than maybe Tucker, right?
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They're not really brought up like, it's never.
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It's not talked about often. It's almost like it's, you know,
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swept under the rug. And I don't know if You feel
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about this way Marty, but a lot of things that have happened in
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the last two years, man. They're serious crimes against
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humanity, dude. Like there was a lot of evil,
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there was a lot of wrongdoing that has happened.
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That I think that these people are just pretending and hoping
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that this just goes away. So yeah, I don't know what your
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take is on that. I completely agree.
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I think it's ludicrous that were not allowed to openly talk about
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this stuff without fear of Retribution from YouTube,
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specifically, Twitter's got there.
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But YouTube, I'm currently still in YouTube time out from the
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last strike I got for talking about the vaccine and the
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adverse effects that it has caused many people.
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But yeah, in terms of like sort of in the hole, Like citizen
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journalism thing. I don't view myself as a citizen
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journalist. Like, I've always, I mean, some
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people will say that when I approach like the FTC and the
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newsletter specifically, yeah. Maybe Rabbit Hole recap, it's a
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weekly new show where we try to like, Journal everything that
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went on, but it comes to like the bent cftc.
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I see it as more like a cathartic release, just to get
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the crazy thoughts, in my mind on the paper and then out to the
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world not necessarily to Maybe there is a point of trying to
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educate people about this stuff but more importantly to me, I
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viewed as a way to delay, let other people know.
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Like, you're not the only one thinking this stuff like there
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are others like us out there and then just because again, I'm not
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a journalist, I'm not doing in-depth research or actually
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going out and hitting the streets.
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To like Whitney web is for example.
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But I do have my thoughts and feelings about what's happening
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in the world. I do think there is a silent
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majority. That feels the same way and just
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for some reason or another doesn't feel comfortable
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expressing those feelings. I do my platform as a way to let
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those people know that. Hey it you're not the only one.
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That's ridiculous way. Yeah, I'm Mean, and that's
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really the beauty of it. Right?
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Is that, you know, I think I think individual is hate labels,
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right? You know.
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That's kind of the, you know, because you want to perceive
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yourself as you know, whatever it is, you know, whatever it is
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that, you know, you prefer, but you can't deny Marty that you
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are covering things and maybe not at it because I don't have a
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journalistic background. I don't think.
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Do you have a German? Do you have a formal?
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Like background either. Okay, well, but we still I think
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the internet has empowered us and has given us the ability to
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at least talk about it in in an open honest or at least we
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believe we perceive it that way. And I mean you could make the
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argument that Joe Rogan is a podcaster, he's not a
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journalist, but is he providing more journalism than the the
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Corporate media institutions, right?
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So that's, that's a deep rabbit hole.
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But I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe the old perception
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of what a journalism when a journalist should be.
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Like I think that, you know, heading into this new age, the
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information age, whatever you want to call it.
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I think I think it's really anybody with a camera and a
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microphone that's just willing to air out their thoughts.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's like the etymology of
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Journalism. What are you doing your
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journaling? And I've literally journal on my
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website. Everyday, maybe I am a
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journalist. But yeah, I think it's important
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and important Trend. And as we saw throughout covid
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with the big Tech platforms, like, Twitter Before He'll on
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took over Facebook YouTube. Whatever it may be.
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They did not like individuals, like yourself.
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You may put in as ideas out there.
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And so, I think, even though we're doing this today and we
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have been doing it for a while, like there are concerted efforts
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to Curb what we're doing. And so that's why at TC were
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trying to inoculate ourselves from that future attack by using
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more songs and software Stacks. Like goes to be TCP server to
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serve our content and monetize it, which were hoping a package
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up and get out there to other individuals like ourselves, who
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are, or putting out this type of work.
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In a world that seems to be getting increasingly censorious.
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100%. Do you think they'll let us
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broadcast in the gulags? No, they were not to get armies
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of pigeons is speakin cell phone so that we can tweet and live
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stream to the world, man. I'm bullish on those on those.
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Marty bent on those bent, bro. A transmitted via pigeon
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messenger. Those will be there will be some
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good ones. Never gets that we're not going
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to go to the new legs and we're going to win.
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Yeah, we're gonna win. Of course, I agree eyes.
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You guys are not coming back so one of the jokes that I make
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with Opti all the time is, you know, and Marty I'm a first
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generation American. I originally, I came from my
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parents came better said and I grew up it was very privileged
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enough to to grow up in the States and Miami specifically, I
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came from Venezuela and I saw what the outcome of this to put
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it nicely in gently of this collectivist mindset of wear,
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it, you know, where that leads, and where I see the states
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heading. Is in that direction.
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The hope that I have is really Bitcoin, right.
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Bitcoin is where I'm like, okay, you know, what?
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If if we don't have Bitcoin would be screwed, right?
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Because this is just going to continue to, you know, head down
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this direction. But I think that the adoption of
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Bitcoin, I'm more bullish of it because, you know, it's Game
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Theory. I think it's going to be more
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embraced by individual states. I think the federal government
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is really, what is? I don't think they're going to
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react. So kindly to it that is I don't
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think they have been. So what are your thoughts on
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that? And I know that, you know your
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home base is in Texas. What do you see on the Texas
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level on the state level? How do you see them reacting to
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bitcoin? Is it ever a possibility?
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You know, I always say I'm like, look as soon as one state puts
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Bitcoin on its balance sheet, it is game over.
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It's done, done and dusted. And it is that a possibility?
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How are Texas? Policymakers or Regulators or
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hate using the word politicians. How are they seeing that?
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Is that something that you're involved in?
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Or are you kind of, like, the mindset of like, you know, this
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system is just so broken, Beyond repair.
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This is about really focusing on the individual and really
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getting the individual to, to open their eyes, to bitcoin and
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more of a Grassroots type of inception, you know, strategy
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versus a, you know, We have to try to convince the politicians.
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What are your thoughts on that? I think it's dual fast and I
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think it definitely starts with the individual at the Grassroots
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movement, but then it moves up to that political level and I
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think as bitcoiners we should ardently like convince our local
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government officials, whether it be the County city state level
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to embrace Bitcoin, I do think in Texas that certainly
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happening. Obviously there's been a big
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boom in the I'm going to show you down here in Texas and so
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far so good. I would argue there's a lot of
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concentration, hash rate and a few Mega Minds, which isn't
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ideal. But I think overall the
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reception of Bitcoin mining and Texas has been good.
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And then in terms of other policy initiatives in Texas, I'm
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not involved directly with all them or any of them.
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But I do think there has been a lot of material positive
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progress to convince politicians for the be at the state level,
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or represent our Senators like, Ted Cruz at the federal level
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that that have been sold on bitcoin that that should bode.
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Well, protectionism in Texas, historical e, has put Texas
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first above the federal government.
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When I think when it comes to bitcoin, it'll be similar.
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And I think the trend, Positive trend that's been emerging over
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the last few years since the code that lockdowns you have
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Texas Florida. Other states asserting their
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autonomy against the federal government.
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So we're not be surprisingly, it's but if you see a state like
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Texas or Florida openly flaunt Federal Regulations against
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Bitcoin if they do materialize in the future.
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So, yeah, I think going back to your question.
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I don't think we need To convince politicians do tickets
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a positive outcome. If we do, but convincing
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politicians begins with convincing enough individuals to
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make the argument to, to those politicians.
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So, yeah, it starts at the Grassroots level with the visual
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bitcoiners sort of gathering together wherever they may be
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putting together a plan or a pitch to The politicians, it
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should I pay look, At all the mining Industries, helping her
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tax revenue, new, certain counting say we could all the
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companies coming to your state because of the tax, the tax
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environment here, they're starting companies Bitcoin
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companies because you're a state that is treating well you should
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continue sure you tomorrow. So yeah, I think that trend is
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going in the right direction here in Texas so I think it will
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continue Got married Direction, but he's going to stay vigilant.
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Don't depend on the state, think it's an added benefit if you can
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convince them, but it's never wrong.
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Conclusion. So always go individual.
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First, you gotta convince as many people as possible to put
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big win on the personal balance, sheets and use it in their
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businesses and their everyday lives.
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And then the politicians hands will be forced at some point.
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That's you. It a critical mass?
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Yeah 100%. So what do you think about?
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And the reason I'm asking you this is I think what I've seen
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from bitcoiners is oh they're just they just don't know
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enough, you know, they're not educated on the subject matter,
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you know, us at simply believe that it is nefarious.
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It is on purpose where you have politicians that are openly
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hostile towards Bitcoin. You had the infamous bill that
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was introduced by Senator Elizabeth Warren and she tried
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to make it, you know, bipartisan getting a Republican.
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Senator Senator Marshall to basically Force just absolutely
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absurd. And I think it's unenforceable,
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but at least, I think what they were trying to do is slightly
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move the Overton window, number one, and number two, I think in
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the unintended consequence of introducing that bill, they
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really showed their cards, they really showed how they felt
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about that. And Basically the bill would for
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software developers in the United States to register with
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the government if they wanted to write code for Bitcoin, which is
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absolutely absurd. And of course, they took
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advantage of the ft x SBF. Blow up to justify the
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introduction of that type of bill.
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So, the question that I have for you Marty is, do you believe it
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was nefarious? Do you believe that they knew
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exactly what they were doing? Or do you come from the school
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of thought? Where they just, you know, these
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are just old, you know, Senators, they just don't know
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any better. What are your thoughts on that?
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All right. Thank you.
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Senator Warren definitely know that if passed this bill would
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significantly curb adoption of Bitcoin development around the
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equator did have nefarious Intentions by presenting it.
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She is not like Bitcoin she wants to kill big going.
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But with that being said, I mean, if you look at her history
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of proposing bills, this seems to be a par for the course for
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her. It seems more of an
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attention-grabbing. Action than anything.
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She has done this many times in the past with other bills.
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Not directly related to bitcoin but she likes to make a Big
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Splash in the news and draw up a bunch of fervor to get
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attention. But if you look at her history
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of actually getting these bills passed, I think it's like water.
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300 and something like 97 or something like that.
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So I'm not worried about the bill actually getting passed,
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but, yeah, it does definitely Lift the veil of her true
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intentions, which is just thought that Bitcoin because she
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is just a, this, that heart that wants to control everything.
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She can obviously nobody controlled their client.
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So, of course, she didn't want to stop that.
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So let's talk about, you know, worst-case scenarios.
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And I think both of us, you could, you could make the
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argument that we've our career decisions are tied with with the
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industry. Would you believe in?
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Do you ever foresee a? And you know what?
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And I spoke to Matthew Pines about I've spoke to Matthew pies
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about this. Jason, Brett, David Zale.
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And I always ask the same question.
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Do you think I'm asking you the same?
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Russian. Marty, do you think that a 6/10
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to order would ever be something that would happen in the United
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States? Specifically if because like
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look the reality is is that the US federal government gets a
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tremendous amount of power from weaponizing the dollar, right?
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And through via US sanctions policy Office of foreign assets
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control etc, etc and Bitcoin specifically.
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If it's widely adopted by countries that are open or, you
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know, the US government better said, or is considers hostile to
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the United States. It would be a way for them to
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circumvent that us sanctions policy in a very effective way.
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Do you think it would? We would ever reach a point
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where the US federal government would do something?
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So radical as to you. Outright ban, the possession of
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Bitcoin by American citizens like a 6/10 to order you think
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that's that would ever be a possibility in the US.
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Sure, done it before. Why wouldn't they do it again?
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But if they do. I mean I've tweeted this out and
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talked about this a lot like and I get my Bitcoin.
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I'm not going to stop using Bitcoin.
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I think there's Tens of thousands hundred thousands.
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Potentially millions of other people who think the same way.
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This is when we need good old-fashioned, Civil
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Disobedience to come back and hopefully they're enough
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individuals who have Bitcoin but they actually control.
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They possess the private keys and you can openly flaunting
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your sending Bitcoin back and forth to yourself and there's
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nothing that they can do to stop it and then on top, Top of that.
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Like I, yes, they can certainly try and will not surprise me if
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they did try. But I think we live in a day and
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age in a particular point in time where the marginal return
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on these on these tyrannical actions by the federal
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government is significantly being reduced.
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I think you who we are witnessing a epic collapse in
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confidence and the institutions, particularly the Federal
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Government and the alphabet soup of agencies that sit Below in.
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And so I think with the lockdowns the vaccine roll out,
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the Twitter files exposing that, the FBI is essentially
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controlling speech on the social media platforms.
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Look at energy policy. Look at monetary policy.
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Everything that's happening with inflation.
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I think it's becoming they're really obvious obviously you had
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The ten to twenty percent of people who are pure status or
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just need authority to tell them what is truth and what is and
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we're never going to be convinced.
28:14
But I think the silent majority people are pretty.
28:17
Sufficiently pissed off that if push came to shove, and the
28:21
Government tried to do this, say fuck you.
28:24
This is a step too far. You've already fucked with the
28:29
money in my bank account, you completely debased.
28:33
I'm not going to let you mess with this.
28:35
I'm hopeful. I think I'm an idiot, people
28:37
think I'm crazy for believing this, but I do think that if
28:43
that did come and there was a good concerted effort to
28:47
convince people that Civil Disobedience was the most
28:51
effective way to to basically quash that act to stop Bitcoin
28:58
for Liberation United States that we could be successful.
29:01
Again, I bring us up every once in a while people.
29:04
Think I'm crazy but maybe I just have more hope and the American
29:10
Spirit that is a bit dormant but it's still there and in the
29:14
bellies of a lot of people. Well, I'm really glad that, you
29:19
know, at least we'll be in the gulag together.
29:23
Marty. So I'm really looking forward to
29:25
that. No.
29:36
But I feel the same way and what a crazy crazy time.
29:41
Do you believe in the in the fourth turning Theory, or do you
29:44
believe that we are in a fourth turning?
29:47
Yeah. I mean whether or not it's the
29:50
fourth turning as described in the book because it Neil Howe by
29:56
Neil. Who knows whether the Cycles are
30:00
exactly as described in his book, but I think it's
30:04
undeniable so recognize that mean, you know, I mean, I'm a
30:09
millennial is born in 91. We're born at this inflection
30:12
point in human history. And with the dawn of the
30:15
internet age, digital age, the Nation age, whatever you want to
30:18
call it quits. forcing these changes on the world that humans
30:25
have never Don't risk, particularly the pace of change.
30:30
And so with that change you're definitely going to be a power
30:34
struggle as the incumbent system, tries to hold onto the
30:38
power structures that existed before the information age.
30:41
And yeah, definitely think we are living through this period
30:46
of massive change. Its combination, technology
30:53
demographics, generationally messing up the money.
30:57
It's like a perfect storm, going back to the previous table.
31:01
That's why I think the conditions are sort of ripe for
31:06
this environment of Civil Disobedience where people like
31:09
our age are going to stand up and say that like you 80, 80
31:14
year-old geriatrics are going to tell us what to do with our
31:17
future. You guys are two feet away from
31:19
the grave can ask. Give us control and stop fucking
31:23
up our lives. Yeah, 100%.
31:25
And It's interesting because the, the militant Necessities,
31:30
you know, I always say bitcoiners slavery.
31:34
The, I think that, we, I think inherently, we know, deep down
31:39
inside, like, man, like this is, what's the future ahead of us?
31:43
Write the future. You know what they propose is a
31:47
life of CBD. Sees you won't own a gas stove.
31:53
Eat fake meat, do what you're told or will shut your bank.
31:57
Count and the other alternative and I think people are asleep to
32:01
that. Like people don't really
32:03
understand that those are really the only two Alternatives in the
32:06
future, right? Because that's the direction
32:09
that Fiat money and state money is going like they are hell-bent
32:13
on implementing these. See bdcs, I don't think they'll
32:17
be able to implement them without coercion without some
32:20
type of force, that I don't think they'll ever be able to
32:22
match Bitcoins incentives. But that's exactly, you know,
32:26
the reality. The route that we're going
32:28
through, a why is it that, you know, the average, the average
32:33
everyday person in a way, they're still asleep, right?
32:38
It's really the bitcoiners and we're kind of look like we kind
32:41
of, to be honest. Like we kind of look like
32:43
maniacs, dude. Like we're like look bitcoiners
32:46
slavery. This is what's going on.
32:48
And in a way, sometimes I feel like we're in an echo chamber,
32:52
right? It's like things have to
32:53
continuously break for people too.
32:56
Really wake up to the fact. I think it obviously helps you
32:59
know the kind of the collapsing confidence and all these
33:02
government institutions that people you know trusted for
33:05
decades include you could add media institutions into that
33:08
mix, right? So I guess the question that I
33:13
have for you is what are your thoughts on cbc's and why are
33:17
normies still so asleep? Man?
33:20
What's going on with that? Well, I think Norman's answer.
33:26
It's a question first. I think normies are still
33:30
Asleep, I think they're waking up, but I still there.
33:33
Still mostly asleep because their lives haven't been
33:39
disrupted, an opioid even. But I think going back to like,
33:42
people are waking up. I think block towns or big
33:44
disruption, people's lives. That will go.
33:47
A lot of people up to the fact that these governments are very
33:52
orwellian and do not make the best decisions at every given
33:57
point in time. We need people, react to stress,
34:02
lockdowns, her a lot of stress works and people up.
34:05
You can pound that with the inflation that is ensued from
34:09
the opening up of the economy. The effects of all the money
34:12
program that went down during lockdowns and that's beginning
34:16
to materially affect people began to wake up, like, how the
34:18
hell? It's a car in a bag?
34:20
$10. People begin to question, how
34:23
come I can't get baby formula? As reliably as I used to?
34:27
Like, where? Where is this?
34:29
Or Is this gone wrong? What was the first part of the
34:35
question again? I completely forgot.
34:38
Oh, what are your thoughts on cbc's cvtc's the CDC?
34:46
I mean, yeah, China's implemented them to some success
34:50
in some provinces. I just think from a technical
34:53
perspective literally like writing the code You can argue,
34:58
we already live in a CDC world like if the government wanted
35:01
to, we could just go to our digital bank accounts and do
35:05
what they want. They seats funds and freeze bank
35:08
accounts all the time. It's just adding a few more
35:11
features to that. I think the CDC in the US is
35:14
unlikely. The FED many officials have come
35:17
out and said that they don't even recommend the CDC doesn't
35:20
work and I think that's because they work on behalf of the big
35:25
commercial Banks here in the United States.
35:27
The CBC is ever implemented and enforced on the populace.
35:32
The commercial banking system gets cut out of that equation.
35:37
So I actually think you have an incentive or happening where I'm
35:42
not a big fan of the big Banks here in the United States but
35:46
had think they'll actually be a huge hurdle to CDC Ever Getting
35:51
implemented because they get cut out of the equation.
35:54
All of their profits, and Revenue.
35:58
Go away almost immediately CBC ever materialized and so I think
36:01
we're actually we've got to evil forces that will fight each
36:06
other to the death. Over this at the benefit of
36:09
bitcoiners will just be able to be like a bong meme where the
36:12
commercial Banks and those trying to force the CDC on
36:18
Americans will be fighting each other, and we'll just be
36:20
building Bitcoin. Slowly in the background and
36:25
people continue to adopt it. Yeah, cdc's extremely.
36:30
Scary Prospect definitely will not live in a world of cvtc's.
36:35
I will not use the CDC but I don't think it's likely here in
36:41
the United States, could be wrong, but I think greed will
36:45
get in the way of that great on behalf of the central part of
36:48
the commercial Banks. Yeah, so it's kind of like the
36:52
enemy of your enemy is your friend type of things actress
36:55
situation. Yeah, so, you know, one of the
37:00
things Means at least it's frustrating right where the
37:04
reality is that right now very few merchants accept Bitcoin.
37:08
There's also the you know the tax implications specifically
37:13
for larger transactions and you know they have this super just
37:20
bullshit law, legal tender, just forcing people to use the
37:26
currency forcing using forcing people to use a currency that
37:29
steals from them. So essentially I mean is that
37:34
something that like it is that an inevitability like it?
37:38
Do we do it does it have to do? You believe like it has to
37:43
escalate to a point where we have to push for Bitcoin to be
37:47
legal tender? Like a situation like El
37:49
Salvador or to be fully embraced because the reality is that, you
37:53
know, human beings like conveniency, like conveniences,
37:57
right. And you can't deny Why that it
38:01
is inconvenient to use Bitcoin specifically as a means of
38:05
payment in, in the United States.
38:07
Like not, you know, obviously with bitcoiners it's like a bro
38:10
here you go but you know for you're going to CVS or you know,
38:14
you're going to one of your favorite restaurants, right?
38:18
You know, the reality is that a lot of merchants just find it as
38:22
an inconvenience to accept something like Bitcoin.
38:25
How, how do you see that playing out?
38:29
First plays out by making it easier to accept Bitcoins.
38:33
So things like strikes integration with NCR that self
38:38
checkout. Counters, that will be big for
38:42
the ability to large retailers to, to accept Bitcoin, or to
38:48
allow their customers to pay in Bitcoin.
38:51
They don't necessarily need to hold it on their balance sheet,
38:54
but I think slowly over time, they will begin to So, that's
38:59
the first thing that's making it easier for these Merchants
39:03
actually accept Bitcoin, loved Beatty Pacer BTK server user
39:08
myself. That's how we receive all the
39:10
Bitcoin at cftc with our company.
39:14
But expecting every Merchant to spin up a be TCP server and
39:18
implemented in their point of sale system is probably not
39:23
going to happen, so people like strike and integrated with NCR
39:28
Square obviously. Cash app has been an early mover
39:33
in Bitcoin, Jack. Dorsey is a massive advocate of
39:37
Bitcoin would not be surprised if they begin to turn on bitcoin
39:42
receiving capabilities for their point of sale system and that
39:47
will unlock tens of Millions. Hundreds of millions, of
39:51
merchants overnight to be able to receive adequate.
39:54
And then, once you get to that point in terms of like tax,
39:57
burden and the legal ramifications and legal tender
40:03
laws, I think it gets to a point where just simply, it's like the
40:05
Nick. They do think of a zebra was
40:08
idea that what you have to do to get these Technologies widely
40:12
adopted and then Force, the government hand, it is make them
40:16
too expensive to it for. So you get to a point point
40:20
where the ability to accept Bitcoin as a merchant as easy as
40:24
toggling a button on the back end of your beer, point-of-sale
40:29
application, and then you open it up, million people begin
40:35
spending Bitcoin, the yes, there may be de minimis tax laws in
40:41
place, but at a certain scale individuals actually using
40:45
Bitcoin at these Merchants is just becomes too expensive to
40:49
mmm. Course the tax law.
40:51
And so you essentially just have this scenario which like in
40:55
people are just like we're using this.
40:57
Yeah, of course some people will will never lie.
41:03
Get caught up in the net and maybe get audited by the IRS but
41:08
hopefully enough they actually pay their taxes that they do it
41:12
correctly. They can survive those audits
41:16
about legal ramification but certain points.
41:20
Going to be literally impossible for the government to enforce
41:24
these tax laws, if enough people are using Bitcoin.
41:27
Of course, that depends on adoption usage, but I'm
41:32
confident that will happen. Especially when you take into
41:35
consideration the state of inflation and the growing
41:40
distrust for government will be bumps in the road.
41:44
But I think overall at the end of the day we'll get too
41:47
expensive to enforce these types of laws.
41:52
I am I running the show? No.
41:54
Yeah I think Nico fell off. He got rug pulled from restream.
42:01
So Bruce research and Drug pull the restream ragdolls.
42:05
Let me see, he's texting me right now, but let me see what's
42:10
going on with him. Yeah, you just just rip it for a
42:16
moment while I try to get him back in.
42:26
Going against the US government. But at the end of the day, the
42:30
government has proven to be evil corrupt.
42:35
I don't really care about you as an individual.
42:37
They care about their ability to take control over your life and
42:43
like Nico saying earlier, there's a bunch of people still
42:46
have their hands heads in the sand and are willingly going
42:52
along with the government. Again, I think Think that that
42:54
tide is changing. And I do think we need to get
42:58
back to the Revolutionary spirit that this country was founded
43:03
on. Civilly, disobey its most
43:06
important thing civilly disobey peacefully disobey by simply
43:09
sending and receiving Bitcoin transactions.
43:12
And so, I do think we need to make Civil Disobedience of
43:16
thing. People need to engender
43:20
mentalities of, not being afraid of their government, government
43:22
was supposed to work for you instead.
43:24
Weapons. I feel, and has become
43:26
abundantly clear to me at least that the government, not only
43:30
not representing us, it is actively harming us to making
43:33
life materially worse off. And so if you have an Avenue to
43:37
opt out into peacefully, disobey their evil orders, which Bitcoin
43:43
provides and you should do. So these are civic duty.
43:47
I 100% agree and it's interesting because once we
43:51
started having these types of conversations looks like,
43:54
Restream rug pulled me softly, thanks for holding it down.
43:59
But uh, this this, I don't know what happens, Marty, but 10,
44:03
when we tend to have these types of conversations some type of
44:06
deaf attentional difficulties. Oh man, but speaking of Civil
44:13
Disobedience, that's the beauty of Bitcoin though, right?
44:17
Is that it's like the Civil civil.
44:21
Disobedience is just Opting out, it's literally just taking your
44:25
Bitcoin, put it into Cold Storage, living your life and I
44:30
love what you mentioned in the beginning about, you know, I
44:32
love Texas. Slim, I've had too many times on
44:34
the show, right? It's this idea of sovereignty,
44:38
this is, you know, Jeff Booth calls.
44:39
It, decentralization versus centralization and I agree, I
44:44
think we're, I think learning right?
44:48
That the path forward is personal responsibility.
44:52
It's like I think we've got in here because people have whether
44:56
it's the, you know, the Outsourcing information,
44:59
Outsourcing food Outsourcing money, right?
45:03
And I think that just, you know, as frankensteined into this
45:08
monstrosity, that, you know, the personification of it, like the,
45:12
the example of it is, is the world economic Forum, the
45:16
continuing are conference, right?
45:19
Barney, did you know that the world economic Forum was founded
45:22
in? In 71.
45:24
Yeah, okay, Klaus Henry Kissinger got together.
45:30
So we need to, we need to begin putting together for a broad
45:35
economics, but yeah, again, it's become like, especially this
45:38
year. I mean, all the other clips that
45:41
came out all the panels, like, people are extremely
45:45
hypocritical and it's becoming glaringly obvious, like, shout
45:49
out to the rebel. Dues guys who are We're asking
45:55
actually hard questions to these world leaders and CEO of Pfizer
46:02
Larry Fink as they're walking through Davos and small exhibit
46:08
examples like that where they're able to go there and ask people
46:12
these the questions that they should be.
46:14
Should have been asked for many years now.
46:17
But the lap dog, corporate media, just refuses, or doesn't
46:21
even think about asking and and it's like a death by a Thousand
46:25
Cuts every every clip of them being unable to answer genuine
46:31
questions, that should be answered and then getting up on
46:35
stage and after flying private jets and to Switzerland and
46:42
trying to sort of looking for trying to lecture the rest of
46:50
the world on climate change in there.
46:53
You can function just very obviously hypocritical more and
46:57
more people are waking up to that.
46:58
And I think these people are losing grip on the narrative
47:05
which comes first, and eventually, they'll lose their
47:08
grip on Power. And that's the funny thing at
47:10
the end of the power is perception.
47:12
That people only perceive that these people are powerful but
47:14
like you said, the power lies in the hands of the individual.
47:18
At the end of the day, you have the power to download a Bitcoin
47:21
wallet into And payment of Bitcoin, you have power to get
47:25
up off your ass with Shaker, local, ranchers, hand and say.
47:28
I'm going to buy my be from you. Instead of going to the large
47:33
grocery store, you have the power and say, hey I'm going to
47:37
use nostril over Twitter. You have the power to basically
47:41
say, fuck you and like, what's your opinions, am not doing this
47:44
anymore, mad as hell, and I'm simply not going to do this
47:49
anymore. I have the power to opt in.
47:53
These other ways of living my life and we're going to do that.
47:56
Obviously there is some personal responsibility on the individual
48:01
at the end of the day. But I think more and more are
48:04
taking that particular personal responsibility recognizing that
48:07
they need to do it and taking them through their parents 100%
48:10
like there but does it worry you?
48:13
And I think you actually mentioned the percentage of
48:16
people you said around 20% of people and you know my my
48:22
girlfriend And like she's been with me and you know she's a bit
48:25
corner just by proximity and just being close to me and
48:29
whatever and you know G has Bitcoin stores Bitcoin whatever.
48:32
But you know she's you know her Minds it, another place and it I
48:38
I always loved her opinion because it's a non biased
48:42
opinion, you know, me and you are in the trenches fighting the
48:44
good fight, you know, we put her heart and soul into what we do.
48:50
And she said the most intuitive, Mint and I think it was so true.
48:56
She's like Nico, this is great sound money, this is amazing.
49:00
I get it this is great you know write down 24 words
49:04
theoretically store Millions you know billions trillions She's
49:09
like Nico. But frankly, I think people are
49:11
too stupid and I was, and I thought about that and I'm like,
49:15
and that is because think about all the all the convenience that
49:20
people like like Marty do you think that if someone had a
49:24
choice and you know, they weren't educated on the matter,
49:28
it had a choice between you know, slightly inconvenient,
49:32
freedom and convenient, convenient slavery, which are
49:36
sent cdc's You could make a pretty big bet that a big
49:41
percentage of people are just going to be like sign me up.
49:44
You know you made the case that you know, excuse me, that cbc's
49:50
probably not going to happen in the United States because you
49:53
know the the the large influence of the commercial Banks but you
49:57
get what I'm trying to say, right?
49:59
That you could bet your, you can make pretty, you know, strong
50:02
assumption that there's going to be a percentage of people that
50:05
are just not going to opt out of state money.
50:08
Why do you code you come from the school of thought where it's
50:11
like, it doesn't matter, you know, spets key wrote that
50:13
article where it's like we are the remnant you know?
50:16
The masses don't matter. Like what are your thoughts on
50:19
that? I like that article, the idea
50:25
The Remnant, but I think the CDC world would be extremely more
50:31
inconvenient, right? Like if you eat too much me one
50:36
month and you go to the grocery store and you can't buy a steak
50:39
because you've exhausted your your carbon rations and the CBD
50:44
SeaWorld that's inconvenient. It's much like the hurdle to
50:50
downloading. Vic.
50:51
That's another thing too. That's what I think.
50:53
It's a disservice big winner do for themselves just B coin comes
50:57
with extreme ownership and responsibility and securing a
51:02
seed phrase and a Bitcoin wallet is a new action that people need
51:09
to get comfortable with but it's not that hard.
51:11
Keep literally download the map and write down some words, it's
51:13
not that inconvenient and when you juxtapose it with you and
51:17
convenience about being able to do what you I want to do whether
51:23
it be by a steak or by plane ticket to go visit a family
51:26
member like that is a much more inconvenient future than the
51:31
world. With a Bitcoin standard much
51:34
more convenient pass control of your money can be able to buy
51:37
what you want, said them having the government.
51:40
So now you can't do this, you know, I think my do.
51:46
Maybe I go back and forth in that have historically, like Ms.
51:50
People are dumb or not going to get it.
51:52
There's going to follow the state and do whatever they tell
51:56
them. But again I think going back to
51:58
the fourth turning collapse in confidence.
52:02
I think we do live in this special moment in time where you
52:05
have this, perfect. Combination of things, the
52:12
degradation of the money, the Fret fragility of the financial
52:17
system, the distrust in federal government and politicians, it's
52:25
all coalescing in this moment right now where I'm at.
52:29
Again, maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm stupid, but I am optimistic
52:34
that we the tides are turning People didn't push too far to
52:39
the edge and they're going to begin pushing back and if you
52:42
look at human history we have more tools than ever to push
52:47
back the double-edged sword yes the digital world and everything
52:51
that's been built up by the state and technocrats.
52:57
It can be extremely restrictive. It can cattle herd you into this
53:02
digital pad Optica and but we also have the open source
53:04
technologies that could lead us to Freedom.
53:08
And I think again going back to convenience or inconvenience
53:12
there I would argue that the CDC world will be extremely more
53:17
inconvenient than in a world on a Bitcoin standard.
53:19
Yes you may have to write down and secure some words but I
53:23
think given the option between that and not being able to buy a
53:28
stake when you want to, I think people will figure out how to
53:32
write down and secure those words interesting.
53:36
So to you, You make the argument that the vast majority of
53:41
people, if pushed to a certain extreme would like, it's so
53:50
ridiculously give you think about it?
53:51
Like what is what is harder opening a bank account nowadays
53:54
or writing down 24 words, right? Like I would make the argument
53:57
that opening a bank account is 100 times more difficult than
54:01
writing down. 24 words, I guess. Maybe I don't you know, the the
54:07
This analogy fits best, right? It's so cliche bringing up
54:12
during a Bitcoin podcast but you know, the the scene where it's
54:17
like Neo after a certain age, we just don't wake people up
54:19
because they've been their minds can't handle that.
54:22
They've been in The Matrix for so long.
54:24
And I used that analogy to describe that, you know,
54:28
specific like if I'm talking like about my parents, for
54:31
example, right? Yeah, my mom been holding
54:34
Bitcoin for as long as I have, you know, 2016, right?
54:37
But if I tell her mom, you know, send me some Bitcoin, you know,
54:45
it's going to be very difficult to do that.
54:47
So maybe for the younger Generations, I would say.
54:51
And I'm again, it's not black and white of course, but I think
54:55
that there is going to be a percentage of people that maybe
54:58
they don't they they're not going to have the technical
55:01
capability or technical know-how specifically the generation that
55:04
that isn't internet native like it's very easy for me and you to
55:07
say this This Marty, because of our because of our ages, right?
55:10
We are millennials, we kind of grew up with the internet, but
55:14
someone older, right? It might be a little bit more
55:16
difficult. You could say, Is it though they
55:20
can send. Why?
55:21
No, it's not. It's totally not right.
55:24
Yeah, but yeah. it all comes back to storytelling, I can tell
55:31
the better story, The more hopeful story and that's what I
55:35
think it plays to our advantage like the corners incredible
55:40
vision of the future that it's hopeful that is optimistic, that
55:44
includes freedom and sovereignty particularly with your money.
55:49
But then that seeps into other points of your life, and then
55:54
you just look at who we're up against and they're painting the
55:57
future of not owning anything, not owning anything, the world's
56:03
going to end from, Climate change one of these days but
56:07
happening for decades, but don't worry next year.
56:09
It's going to happen. And again, I think people just
56:12
get worn out and overtime is the ux around.
56:16
That's the only thing I think the ux around receiving and
56:20
sending Bitcoin and backing up Bitcoin is going to get
56:23
significantly better as well. So yes, it may be hard today to
56:29
ask your mom like a semi semi two million SATs, but I think
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especially What I'm seeing right now.
56:37
In the 1031 perspective, there's incredible about a talent
56:42
engineering talent, and design talent that is coming to build
56:46
on bitcoin. That'll abstract, a lot of the
56:51
perceived complexities that that are involved with sending and
56:54
receiving Bitcoin. I agree, I'm Marty before we
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wrap it up. I think one last question and
57:03
really, I think a lot of People you know, not the people that
57:07
been advocating for you know, dollar cost average, you know
57:11
course Odell's famous slide, stay humble stack SATs but I
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think a lot of people were anticipating, you know, hundred
57:17
k 2 coin last cycle. You know I come from the mining
57:21
background. I you know, I come from the
57:23
angle of, I think that the CCP bands Bitcoin mining right in
57:28
the middle of the bull run. You know, that inevitably led to
57:31
the, you know, the hash rate dropping of course, a lot of
57:34
miners had to do. Dump a lot of coin, do you know
57:36
to pay for the relocation of a lot of those Miners?
57:39
And but we didn't hit 100K Bitcoin, right?
57:41
I think we hit was the max. There's like 69 or something.
57:45
What was your personal? We're you let down in that.
57:49
Are we looking into a future where you know, Bitcoin isn't
57:53
going to? Of course, I don't believe that
57:56
it's going up forever. Laura, but you know what are
57:58
your thoughts on that? Like do you you know is the
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party over so to speak? No.
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No, I've been around since 2013, I bought the Pico top of that
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cycle like $1400 and watched it and drop downs like 180 bucks
58:16
like the course of 2014 2015 and that was significantly worse
58:22
bear Market. I mean I Was wasn't counting
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100,000 out of the picture when we were in that last bull
58:30
market. But it doesn't surprise me at
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all, but it didn't get there. And if you look at it, we only
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don't believe like 77 percent from that all-time high and the
58:41
lows that we hit late last year, which isn't the worst drawdown a
58:46
Bitcoin seen throughout its history.
58:48
I just think this is par for the course when you compare it to
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pass Cycles. Again, going back to what.
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When I just said, like the talent that's dedicated to
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actually building out infrastructure where the be of
58:59
mining at the protocol level on the lightning that where we'll
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have sediments coming to Market here.
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Soon, like, I don't think the fundamentals of never been
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stronger. In terms of distribution, of
59:15
hash rate distribution of known, operators development Talent,
59:21
dedicated to building on the network new ideas.
59:25
Making it to the Lively because it's ever been and it seems like
59:29
it's accelerating one part of the world.
59:34
It gives me extreme. I was developing markets that
59:36
have recognized Bitcoins utility and are moving quite
59:40
aggressively to build on top of it.
59:42
So yeah, getting hit 100K, I still have laser eyes.
59:47
I will be keeping them on until we head out here, okay?
59:49
But then it's a I wouldn't have been surprised we had on your
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gate. I'm not surprised that we didn't
59:55
either, it's just par for the course with these Cycles.
1:00:00
At once you go through a few, you become pretty hard and just
1:00:04
come to expect the unexpected. You never know what it's going
1:00:07
to do. Just, keep keep building.
1:00:09
Keep stacking, keep evangelizing and helping.
1:00:15
Educate people about why this is important and how it can help
1:00:18
their lives. And yeah, I think that's the
1:00:21
most important thing going back to like storytelling just have
1:00:24
to continue telling a better story especially considering the
1:00:28
global economic and geopolitical background.
1:00:33
I think people are looking for a reason to be hopeful and
1:00:37
optimistic for the future. And Bitcoin is one of the few
1:00:40
areas are really paints that that future and we just need to
1:00:43
begin getting that story out there.
1:00:46
Telling it slowly. But surely I think more and more
1:00:49
people will be coming to adopt Bitcoin.
1:00:52
Amen. Well, mr.
1:00:54
Marty been. It's been an absolute pleasure.
1:00:58
I really enjoyed this. I have to ask this out of every
1:01:02
guest that where can people find you?
1:01:04
And what he wanted on nowadays? Yeah, Marty been on Twitter.
1:01:09
TFT see that IO is where you can find the newsletter.
1:01:12
Pfft interview series. Obviously we do under Rabbit
1:01:17
Hole recap every Thursday at almost everything once a week
1:01:23
with Matt Odell, which is a lot of fun.
1:01:28
We've been doing that for five years and then beyond that I'm
1:01:33
co-founder of standard Bitcoin which is a In company, a lot of
1:01:38
our hash rate is in Tennessee. We're doing some cool things
1:01:42
there to help stabilize the grade in rural areas and then
1:01:48
1031 partner at 10:31 or Bitcoin focused Venture Capital firm.
1:01:53
We can support Bitcoin only companies and bitcoiners who are
1:01:58
building out the infrastructure user experience that we talked
1:02:02
about during this conversation. Beautiful.
1:02:06
Thank you, Marty, for joining us.
1:02:08
Appreciate it Opti, please make me full screen since restream
1:02:11
booted me out of the producer seat guys, thank you so much for
1:02:16
joining us on another episode of Simply bitcoind live shout out
1:02:19
to Marty this is really special to me and I was really looking
1:02:22
forward to this for a long time Marty and Marty and Matt big
1:02:26
inspiration really Pioneers in the Bitcoin content creation
1:02:32
field when they started. There was really nothing there.
1:02:34
So Huh, shout out to shout out to Marty for coming on, thank
1:02:38
you. We'll be back tomorrow.
1:02:40
Regular episode of Simply Bitcoin live 12:15 p.m.
1:02:43
Eastern Standard Time. See you guys later Opti.
1:02:46
Wrap it up my friend.