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Sonny Sandoval: P.O.D. (Repost from 11/24/2020) · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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Speaker 1: It's always Southern California in mind, Wessummer.
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Speaker 2: Never whoever I go, You'll come with me.
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Speaker 3: I think of you when it puts me.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Black Sheet Podcast. For
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Speaker 1: those who wonder. The song you heard in the intro
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Speaker 1: and we'll hear again in the outro is called always Sonny,
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Speaker 1: There's Always Southern California and Uh. It's off of the
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen album Circles by a massively influential band in
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Speaker 1: the alternative and metal scene called Pod. And we are
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Speaker 1: joined by none other than Sonny Sandoval. Sonny, how are
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Speaker 1: you doing today?
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Speaker 4: I'm great? How are you guys?
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Speaker 5: Doing great? Doing great?
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Speaker 4: Awesome?
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Speaker 5: Is it is it Sonny in Southern California right now?
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Speaker 5: Are you in southern California? I should ask you.
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Speaker 4: Yes I am, and yes it is you guys.
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Speaker 5: You guys are from San Diego, correct, Yeah, born and raised, beautiful, beautiful.
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Speaker 5: You know I've always wondered, Sonny, what is it about?
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Speaker 5: What is it about Southern California or just California in general?
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Speaker 5: Bands that are from California really are good at telling
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Speaker 5: people that they're from California, and that romanticized part.
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Speaker 2: Of all that it's it's a claim to fame and
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Speaker 2: they have nothing to do with it. It's just I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's different. West Coast is completely different from the East Coast.
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Speaker 2: You know, no better, no worse.
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Speaker 4: It's just.
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Speaker 2: The weather year round here in San Diego and up
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Speaker 2: to l A. Is just you can't beat it. I mean,
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Speaker 2: California's nuts right now. And but we're also diverse, you know,
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Speaker 2: culturally all the way around. We have the melting pot
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Speaker 2: of the world right here in San Diego and LA.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't take credit for LA.
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Speaker 1: I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I'm not a big l A fan, but San Diego
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Speaker 2: is the best city in the world for sure.
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Speaker 5: You're not You're not. You're not Red Acchually Peppers quite yet, right.
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Speaker 1: Getting there, That's right, that's right, you know, speaking of
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Speaker 1: that melting pot piece, though, there are certainly a lot
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Speaker 1: of different influences that you can hear in POD's work.
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Speaker 1: You know that you certainly have a background in like reggae.
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Speaker 1: Obviously there's like that metal piece to it, and then
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Speaker 1: even at times like a little bit of Latin. Its
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Speaker 1: just like and really anything in between, Like, did do
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Speaker 1: you really feel like a lot of that eclectic music
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Speaker 1: scene that happens in southern California because of the fact
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Speaker 1: that it's such a melting pot. Do you feel like
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Speaker 1: that really has had an influence on pod sound?
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Speaker 4: For sure?
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Speaker 2: I mean in the band alone, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 2: we probably have every country, every continent covered, you know
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Speaker 2: what I mean ethnically. But then, like I said, in
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Speaker 2: in San Diego, you know, it is a melting pot,
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Speaker 2: and so you know, you can walk down the street
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Speaker 2: and hear hip hop bumping, you know, two doors down,
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Speaker 2: then you have you know, black metal, and then to
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Speaker 2: the out doors down you hear reggae music, hear Latin music.
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Speaker 2: It's just it's it's not segregated. So even in growing up,
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Speaker 2: it was just more when we wanted to make music,
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Speaker 2: it just seemed like it was natural. We really didn't
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Speaker 2: know it wasn't natural until you met other bands and
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Speaker 2: other people and they're like, man, you guys kind of
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Speaker 2: mix everything up. We didn't know any different.
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Speaker 5: You know, that's true. It is kind of an amazing
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Speaker 5: aspect of that area. I think that I think that
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Speaker 5: deserves a little bit more attention, a little bit more respect,
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Speaker 5: because you know that that's that's something that has completely
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Speaker 5: changed the music atmosphere of the entire nation and therefore
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Speaker 5: the world, because yeah, as you guys know, I mean,
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Speaker 5: you guys are you guys are huge in Europe right now,
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Speaker 5: especially like you guys seem like you're selling concerts everywhere.
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Speaker 4: Oh man.
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Speaker 2: The crazy thing is last year we hadn't even we
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Speaker 2: hadn't even been to Europe in so long headlining on
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Speaker 2: our own, and then a new record came out and
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Speaker 2: we went over and we were blown away. So we
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Speaker 2: actually went back. We did two full tours in Europe
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Speaker 2: last year, and we hadn't even toured like that, even
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Speaker 2: in our satellite days, you know. So it was just, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we went. We went early in the year and it
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Speaker 2: was like, wow, this is really cool. And then the
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Speaker 2: promoters were still blown away at the sellout shows and
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Speaker 2: stuff like that they were like, we'll bring you guys
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Speaker 2: back at the end of the year and we'll hit
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Speaker 2: the different cities and stuff, and so we were.
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Speaker 4: Game, you know.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think over in Europe and stuff,
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Speaker 2: and even most most other countries outside America, they're just
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Speaker 2: they love it. Not only they love American music. They're
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Speaker 2: not spoiled by concerts and shows. They're not so much trendy.
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Speaker 2: You know, like if you go to Europe and they're
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Speaker 2: they love you, they love you. It's not like, oh
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Speaker 2: I used to like those guys, you know, or or
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Speaker 2: here in the United States. It's like we've oversaturated the market,
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Speaker 2: like because that's how as musicians, that's how we make money.
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Speaker 4: Now it's touring.
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Speaker 2: It's not record sales, it's nothing else, it's touring. So
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Speaker 2: what happens when the only way to make money is touring.
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Speaker 2: You oversaturate the US and there's a show every day,
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Speaker 2: So now everybody's spoiled, like, oh I I won't see
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Speaker 2: him this Friday, but I'll see him next week.
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Speaker 4: You know. It's just they'll be back next month. Right.
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Speaker 2: It kind of sucks, you know, it's like it's just
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Speaker 2: it's not appreciated. But then you go to the middle
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Speaker 2: of Brazil and then you know, kids drove like three
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Speaker 2: days from Argentina, you know, to get to get You're like, wow,
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Speaker 2: that's that reminds me of back in the day, you know,
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Speaker 2: like that's half amazing, right, yeah, So you don't get
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Speaker 2: that here in the States, you.
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Speaker 5: Know, Yeah, well, you know I think I would have
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Speaker 5: to disagree with that a little bit. Mason and I
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Speaker 5: were from the Midwest. We're from South Dakota, which is
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Speaker 5: pretty much the desert of music. So anytime we wanted
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Speaker 5: to go see someone, we really had to love the band.
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Speaker 4: So, oh yeah, for sure. But what year was that?
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Speaker 5: Oh we still do it. We still drive. We'll drive
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Speaker 5: twelve hours to go see a band we love.
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Speaker 2: That makes more Yeah, that makes more sense. South Dakota.
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Speaker 2: You're still getting a lot of Yeah, you have to
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Speaker 2: get the right spots, and everybody's so picky on where
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Speaker 2: they go or whatever is the hot is at the moment.
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Speaker 5: You know that is true? Yeah? Absolutely.
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Speaker 1: What's a what's a country or city outside of the
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Speaker 1: US that you're most shocked loves pod Uh? Colin and
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Speaker 1: I is one of our favorite bands is called The Chariot,
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Speaker 1: and the Chariot would like often, Yeah, they would often
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Speaker 1: tour like in Russia and Eastern Europe, and like their
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Speaker 1: shows in Eastern Europe and Russia were nuts. Is there like,
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Speaker 1: is there like a city or a country that kind
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Speaker 1: of has that same sort of vibe where you just
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Speaker 1: would have never expected that they would be the biggest
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Speaker 1: fans of Pod I?
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Speaker 2: Mean, we'll speaking of the chariot the last the first
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Speaker 2: one we did in Europe was with sixty eight, So josh,
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Speaker 2: we took our job.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's right, I forgot you guys toured with that.
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Speaker 2: That was so much fun. We all shared the same bus.
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Speaker 2: It was like it was one. It was one big,
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Speaker 2: happy family. I would say, yeah, you'd be surprised. I mean,
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Speaker 2: like again, going to Brazil for the first time. You know,
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Speaker 2: you don't know who's gonna show up, and then all
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Speaker 2: of a sudden there's a sea of people and you're like,
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Speaker 2: this is crazy Russia. Russia still comes through shocked Europe.
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Speaker 2: Probably the coolest thing was not too many years ago,
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Speaker 2: and we went to Thailand for the first time in Bangkok,
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Speaker 2: and we showed up at this crazy rock and roll club.
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Speaker 2: It had this long walkway, almost like a model kind
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Speaker 2: of catwalk, and we're like, oh, this is gonna be interesting.
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Speaker 2: There was like the riser was way up in the sky.
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Speaker 2: We're like, this is some old disco rock and roll club, dude,
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Speaker 2: And it was raining and we're like, man, no one's
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Speaker 2: gonna come out right. It was packed and these kids,
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Speaker 2: these kids were flipping off backwards off of the catwalk
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Speaker 2: into the crowd.
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Speaker 4: Dude, everybody's dude. There was more of a.
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Speaker 2: There was more crowd on the cat walk going nuts
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Speaker 2: and just it was just the perfect setup for like
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Speaker 2: the best hard courtial ever in a We were shock,
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Speaker 2: we were shot.
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Speaker 5: That's amazing. It's cool that you said Brazil is one
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Speaker 5: of those countries too, because I mean, Brazil is well
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Speaker 5: known for like throwing rocks at bands that they don't like.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard that, because Brazil Brazilions they're sweethearts.
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Speaker 4: You must have been in some like death metal.
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Speaker 2: Hills or something, because most of my Brazilian friends of
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Speaker 2: people have encountered man, the sweetest people. So I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: have to look that one up.
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Speaker 5: You know, Sonny, you've been doing this since nineteen ninety two,
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Speaker 5: maybe even earlier than that. I mean, as far as
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Speaker 5: I know, from nineteen nighty two. You know, people consider
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Speaker 5: you to be a musician's musician. You're a guy that
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Speaker 5: everyone loves. Everyone who's encountered you. My short interaction with
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Speaker 5: you is already amazing. I think that you're a really
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Speaker 5: incredible guy, just so personable, and you seem to have
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Speaker 5: so much energy to put forth in this industry after
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Speaker 5: all these years, what you do to keep to keep
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Speaker 5: it fresh, to keep to keep the energy flowing, keep
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Speaker 5: the creative juices going.
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Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I think.
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Speaker 2: I think I just I just owe that to to
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Speaker 2: a fan base and owe that to music in general,
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Speaker 2: you know, because like I'll go hang around people that
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Speaker 2: are my age, and it's like, man, when did you
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Speaker 2: get so old?
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Speaker 4: You know?
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Speaker 2: But because I'm around music and young people all the time,
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Speaker 2: it's just more of a natural process, you know. I
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Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm trying to be this or be that.
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Speaker 2: It's like and you know, and I have kids too,
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Speaker 2: and so I just don't feel like I'm that old.
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Speaker 4: And then I realize how old I am.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, maybe I should not look this way,
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Speaker 2: or maybe I should change up my clothes.
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Speaker 4: Or not zach so much.
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Speaker 2: No, you know what I'm saying. I feel like I
9:47
Speaker 2: guess I didn't. I'm fully invested into being a dad.
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Speaker 2: I guess I just didn't physically become a dad, you know,
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Speaker 2: just and that's not a bad thing. It's just more
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Speaker 2: like I said, I'm around young people all the time,
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Speaker 2: and and it's just it's it really is just that
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Speaker 2: energy of young people in music.
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Speaker 5: Sure, I dig that. That's cool. It's the youth of the.
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Speaker 1: Nation, right, yeah, right, so one of the things that
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Speaker 1: speaking of youth of the nation and you know, kind
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Speaker 1: of that late nineties early two thousands period which really
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Speaker 1: kind of brought you all into stardom, I'm really curious
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Speaker 1: like how that all happened, Like what like when you
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Speaker 1: first started pod did you have any site set to
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Speaker 1: end up having almost like a national anthem of the
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Speaker 1: early two thousands for teenagers all across the nation.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, we never set out like that. It was just,
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Speaker 2: you know, we never thought we'd leave San Diego. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't this big rock and roll dream of like yeah,
10:44
Speaker 2: I'm gonna you know, like you guys were talking about
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Speaker 2: the Chili Peppers earlier. It's like you look at that story.
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Speaker 2: We all moved into one apartment on Sunset Strip, you know,
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Speaker 2: and it just happened.
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Speaker 4: It's like, it's just for us.
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Speaker 2: It was like we were working, playing, lucky enough to
10:57
Speaker 2: play shows, and then once you know, we started doing
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Speaker 2: on our own, and once we left San Diego and
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Speaker 2: in California, it was like, man, there's really people are
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Speaker 2: really digging what we're doing. This is awesome. It was
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Speaker 2: never this big dream. It just was one step at
11:08
Speaker 2: a time. And then we just took it a little
11:11
Speaker 2: bit more serious when we all quit our jobs and said, man,
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Speaker 2: we can do this full time in the States. Just
11:15
Speaker 2: get in our van and trailer and we.
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Speaker 4: Can book shows. You know.
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Speaker 2: It just it just started happening. And then when we
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Speaker 2: signed years later, we had no idea. It was you know,
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Speaker 2: our first album went platinum, and that really just has
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Speaker 2: to do I think with a lot of the groundwork
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Speaker 2: that we built, our independent work, and you know, and
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Speaker 2: then we got a lot of love from people in
11:36
Speaker 2: the industry, whether it was MTV or certain you know,
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Speaker 2: certain DJs or whatever. We just I guess they saw
11:41
Speaker 2: us for just pod and not this band and really
11:45
Speaker 2: fell in love with us as people.
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Speaker 4: And then they gave us shots, you know.
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Speaker 2: And once we got the shot, you know, I think
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Speaker 2: it paid off. And then once Satellite came around, that
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Speaker 2: was just next level, you know. And but those songs,
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Speaker 2: we never wrote them thinking that was the intention of
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Speaker 2: being some anthem. It was just more for the moment
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Speaker 2: and what we were going through at the moment. But
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Speaker 2: it's funny, you say that because we just last year
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Speaker 2: we played some big, huge festival in Canada and it
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Speaker 2: was like all the new bands, you know, we're seeing
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Speaker 2: all the young kids come up and we're watching them play,
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Speaker 2: you know all. I could just go off naming all
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Speaker 2: the bands, but all these good bands coming up and then.
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Speaker 4: I'm watching them.
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Speaker 2: But then when we go to play, I look and
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Speaker 2: then they're all watching us play, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: The side of the stage is packed and they're watching us.
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Speaker 2: And then we get to talk to them afterwards and
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Speaker 2: they're like, man, you guys, you guys can go anywhere
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Speaker 2: around the world and play those songs and people would
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Speaker 2: know them, you know what I mean. And we're like,
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Speaker 2: they said it was an anthem, and I'm like, dude,
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Speaker 2: thanks for saying that.
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Speaker 4: I think you know.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right, and it's true. Everywhere we go
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Speaker 2: you play those songs and everybody knows it.
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Speaker 4: It's bananas.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point early on in your career
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Speaker 1: you were maybe one of those young bands, right and
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Speaker 1: you were maybe touring or maybe playing a show or
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Speaker 1: a festival with one of those bigger bands that you
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Speaker 1: had looked up to. And now you've got all these
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Speaker 1: younger bands that are looking up to you and saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: I grew up listening to you, and you're the reason
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Speaker 1: why I'm doing this band right now. What's what's that
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Speaker 1: like switching roles Where you were once kind of that
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Speaker 1: like young kid that was wanting to be or aspire
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Speaker 1: to be, one of those bigger bands, and now you're
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Speaker 1: that sort of centerpiece, that influential band that kids are
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Speaker 1: looking up to. What's what's that kind of shift in
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Speaker 1: that role been like for you?
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Speaker 2: It's it's awesome. I it never gets old. I mean
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Speaker 2: it's it's the same. It goes hand in hand with
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Speaker 2: you know, some guy or girl that comes up and says, hey,
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Speaker 2: this this song means this to me, you know what
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Speaker 2: I mean it changed my life, or or hey I
13:45
Speaker 2: was gonna you know, I was suicidal, you know, I
13:48
Speaker 2: was gonna kill myself and this song came on the
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Speaker 2: radio and I did it. It's like, it's you can't
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Speaker 2: explain what that means. But I think we always knew
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Speaker 2: as a band going into it that it was it
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Speaker 2: was always something bigger than our else. You know, whether
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Speaker 2: we've lived up to that or not, or we've gone
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Speaker 2: through our own struggles in this walk of faith, but
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Speaker 2: it's always been our hearts and tentions was that, you know,
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Speaker 2: we would hope to inspire somebody or say hey, man,
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Speaker 2: if we can make music and we're you know, this
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Speaker 2: is where we come from, and we believe God is
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Speaker 2: love and he loves you. You know, there's a chance
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Speaker 2: for all of us, you know what I mean. And
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Speaker 2: so when you kind of see it manifest and it's happening,
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Speaker 2: it's the same thing with the kids saying, dude, you're
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of Christian kids that came
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Speaker 2: up and said, you we couldn't even listen to any
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Speaker 2: other music except POD, you know what I mean. Or
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Speaker 2: my parents wouldn't even let me listen to rock and roll,
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Speaker 2: But because of you guys, I was allowed to listen
14:37
Speaker 2: to this style of music. You know, things like that.
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Speaker 2: So and then now they're often doing their own thing
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Speaker 2: and or they're inspired and they're you know, bigger than
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Speaker 2: life now, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, speaking of that, I find that really interesting about
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Speaker 1: Pod is you know, either are a lot of bands,
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Speaker 1: especially within that Christian music scene, that either had a
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Speaker 1: lot of rapport in the Christian music scene or maybe
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Speaker 1: didn't have much report in the Christian music scene, but
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Speaker 1: they did have a lot of rapport outside and you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, the secular scene or mainstream scene or whatever.
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Speaker 1: But one of the things that you all did, I
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Speaker 1: think really really well and I think really separated yourselves
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Speaker 1: from the rest, is that you had really a lot
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Speaker 1: of credibility both in the Christian music scene and in
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Speaker 1: the mainstream scene. Can you talk about like how you, like,
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Speaker 1: maybe in your own career or whatever, try to balance
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Speaker 1: that if you did try to balance it, or did
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Speaker 1: it just kind of happen, but like, how did you
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Speaker 1: sort of think about being in kind of both spheres
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Speaker 1: that oftentimes were really competing.
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Speaker 2: If I'm being completely honest. We it's such a long story,
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Speaker 2: but it's like we knew. We knew in the beginning
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Speaker 2: that we never came off and said we're a Christian band,
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Speaker 2: but we were so open and honest and in your
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Speaker 2: face about Jesus and about what our beliefs.
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Speaker 4: Because all the bands we played.
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Speaker 2: With were you know, whether they were straight edge or
16:03
Speaker 2: whether they were you know, Hari Krishna or Buddhist or
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Speaker 2: or whatever, cause you know they were that was just
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Speaker 2: what you do. And it was like Okay, well we
16:12
Speaker 2: believe in Jesus. I guess we can be just as
16:15
Speaker 2: vocal about that. But it wasn't like we're this band
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Speaker 2: I think, you know. Once we started to get labeled
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Speaker 2: that later on, But the truth is we were making
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Speaker 2: head noise in all of San Diego, playing secular shows
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Speaker 2: and clubs and backyard parties. The first time we ever
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Speaker 2: played a Christian like a church setting, they stopped us
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Speaker 2: in our first song and said we weren't, we weren't
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Speaker 2: of God, and we weren't allowed to play anymore. So
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Speaker 2: we didn't, but it was it was confirmation that dude,
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Speaker 2: we're not meant for the church.
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Speaker 4: We're not. We're not, and we never thought we were.
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Speaker 2: We thought we were just making music like and trying
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Speaker 2: to hype people up, you know, and make them feel good.
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Speaker 2: But then it was like, okay, cool, and so we
16:56
Speaker 2: went and did our own thing and then and we
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Speaker 2: I ever, we never really felt part of like this
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Speaker 2: whatever Christian industry that was going on.
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Speaker 4: I mean, we knew a lot of.
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Speaker 2: The bands, and we'd play certain festivals, but it was
17:09
Speaker 2: very kind of clickie and it was something that we
17:12
Speaker 2: never really wanted to be a part of. But it
17:15
Speaker 2: really wasn't until we signed to Atlantic Records and started
17:19
Speaker 2: making or started selling records that all of a sudden,
17:23
Speaker 2: this Christian industry not so much the hardcore scene or
17:26
Speaker 2: that or the underground scene. It was more of the
17:28
Speaker 2: mainstream that was like, oh, our boys are our people,
17:33
Speaker 2: and it was like.
17:35
Speaker 3: You were kicking us out of your church.
17:37
Speaker 4: Yes, yes.
17:39
Speaker 2: So if anything, where the credit lies is all the
17:42
Speaker 2: underground believers that were like, dude, this is my band. Dude,
17:46
Speaker 2: they rock, they love Jesus, and I'm gonna follow them
17:51
Speaker 2: wherever they go. And so, if anything, it was those
17:54
Speaker 2: kids that weren't necessarily you know, they were believers, but they.
17:59
Speaker 4: Weren't like now they had a voice, you know what
18:02
Speaker 4: I mean.
18:02
Speaker 2: I think pod allowed them to have a voice. And so,
18:04
Speaker 2: and one of the reasons why we got signed to
18:06
Speaker 2: Atlantic was because here we were in walled Lake, Michigan
18:10
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday night, a thousand kids coming to a
18:12
Speaker 2: pod show, and here we have the you know, the
18:16
Speaker 2: A and R for Atlantic who came to see us,
18:18
Speaker 2: and he's like, dude, we have bands selling millions of
18:20
Speaker 2: records that can't even pack out a bar, and you guys,
18:23
Speaker 2: so so a lot of the credit goes to those
18:26
Speaker 2: kids that came out, and a lot of those kids
18:28
Speaker 2: were Christians. They were believers, but they were but they
18:32
Speaker 2: were they were the same, they were like minded, like us.
18:34
Speaker 2: They were like, dude, I'm going we're going to secular shows.
18:37
Speaker 2: We're gonna get in that pit with secular people. We're
18:39
Speaker 2: gonna do our thing just like they're doing. And we're
18:42
Speaker 2: gonna represent our faith, not in a cheesy way, just
18:46
Speaker 2: we're gonna be who we believe we are. We're not
18:48
Speaker 2: you know, We're in the world, but we're not. We're
18:51
Speaker 2: not of this world, you know. And so it was
18:53
Speaker 2: more of this warrior that's why we got the words.
18:55
Speaker 2: There's more this warrior mentality where most Christians are afraid
18:57
Speaker 2: of their own shadows. So then you're you're non effective
19:02
Speaker 2: in the real world. But these kids were like, dude, no,
19:05
Speaker 2: that's my band they're playing. I don't care who they're
19:07
Speaker 2: playing with. I don't care if they're going to Ozvas,
19:10
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm there and I'm representing my faith,
19:13
Speaker 2: you know, with these guys. And so that was empowering,
19:15
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
19:16
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. I remember just a few months Ago.
19:20
Speaker 1: I was watching this documentary about kind of the advent
19:22
Speaker 1: of Tooth and Nail Records, and one of the things
19:25
Speaker 1: that they talked about where a lot of the bands
19:26
Speaker 1: that got signed on to Tooth Andnail early on, what like,
19:31
Speaker 1: they found themselves as being outspoken in there as Christians
19:35
Speaker 1: that they found it really difficult to get into, you know,
19:37
Speaker 1: playing these like secular shows quote unquote or whatever. It
19:41
Speaker 1: sounds like, at least for you all that like in
19:43
Speaker 1: the scene that you were in in San Diego, that like,
19:46
Speaker 1: regardless of what one's faith was or what their cause was, like,
19:50
Speaker 1: people just loved that people were passionate about something and
19:52
Speaker 1: they wanted to hear about that. And so it sounds
19:55
Speaker 1: like there wasn't an antagonism between like the Christian kids
19:58
Speaker 1: and the Hindu or whatever it is, like the whatever
20:02
Speaker 1: the different causes were. It sounds like they all kind
20:04
Speaker 1: of got together and were really close knit. Is that
20:07
Speaker 1: kind of your sense of it?
20:09
Speaker 2: It was more because yeah, it was this music scene,
20:13
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was about the music,
20:15
Speaker 2: and it was about being who you are and standing
20:17
Speaker 2: up for what you believe in, no matter what that was,
20:19
Speaker 2: and that was respected along the lines. You know, I
20:22
Speaker 2: had gotten I'd have people get into my face. I
20:25
Speaker 2: never will forget playing this club. And we had a
20:29
Speaker 2: song and it was very in your face. It was
20:30
Speaker 2: called Abortion his Murder, very punk rock, and I remember
20:33
Speaker 2: the singer from Far hitting me up outside and he
20:36
Speaker 2: kind of got in my face. Almost at one point
20:38
Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna have to put him in
20:39
Speaker 2: his place, but he was like, you know what, and
20:41
Speaker 2: he was pissed off about this song, and then he
20:44
Speaker 2: was like what, you know what, I respect that you
20:47
Speaker 2: that you believe it and that you say it, and
20:49
Speaker 2: so you know, he was almost like saying, dude, we're
20:51
Speaker 2: allowed to say what we want to say. And then
20:54
Speaker 2: even from then I learned to grow to not be
20:56
Speaker 2: so maybe in your face with things, you know what
20:58
Speaker 2: I mean. But it was this usual kind of respect
21:01
Speaker 2: between at least in that scene, you know. And I
21:04
Speaker 2: think Pod was just different. I don't think we I
21:08
Speaker 2: don't think we we milked a certain scene or we
21:10
Speaker 2: said hey, we're we're Christians to appease to a certain
21:14
Speaker 2: group or or to sell T shirts.
21:17
Speaker 4: It was never like that.
21:18
Speaker 2: It was like, dude, where if we go either you're
21:20
Speaker 2: down or or not, you know whether you're believers, whether
21:22
Speaker 2: or not, you're coming with us wherever. And this is
21:25
Speaker 2: because we're marching forward. And so when if when it
21:27
Speaker 2: kind of happened, I think I really believe God used
21:31
Speaker 2: Pod to break down those walls, because before it was like, oh,
21:34
Speaker 2: don't listen to them. They're they're they're Christians. They're a
21:37
Speaker 2: Christian band, so so take it off your radar. The
21:41
Speaker 2: moment we started selling albums and it became about money
21:44
Speaker 2: to the business corporations and the labels, so then it
21:48
Speaker 2: was like, well, who else do you know that's Christians?
21:50
Speaker 2: And we started labeling, naming our bands. You know, we'll
21:52
Speaker 2: do There's Blindside, we brought in Prodigetti, Sick Do, There's Skillet,
21:55
Speaker 2: there's this. We started telling them all these bands that
21:57
Speaker 2: we're doing something that might might be cool on their label.
22:01
Speaker 2: And then then after that it's no big But when
22:05
Speaker 2: Pod went, it.
22:05
Speaker 4: Was like it was a little bit.
22:07
Speaker 2: It was still there was still some I would say,
22:09
Speaker 2: some some racism there, you know what I mean, some
22:12
Speaker 2: spiritual racism there. But but but I really do believe
22:16
Speaker 2: we smashed down those walls.
22:18
Speaker 5: You know, you just you just brought up Blindside, there
22:21
Speaker 5: Blindside would be on my Mount Rushmore of of music.
22:25
Speaker 5: And I love Christian Simon's uh work. I mean, I
22:28
Speaker 5: think those guys are amazing. You guys have some of
22:31
Speaker 5: the most incredible relationship from from what I can from
22:35
Speaker 5: what I can uh glean from from your media stuff.
22:39
Speaker 5: I remember the first time I saw the music video
22:41
Speaker 5: Boom and Christian and the and the rest of the crew,
22:44
Speaker 5: they're you know, they're playing ping pong against you guys,
22:47
Speaker 5: and I was like, my jaw hit the floor. I
22:50
Speaker 5: was like, my favorite band is friends with one of
22:54
Speaker 5: the biggest bands in the world right now.
22:56
Speaker 3: And they make ping pong look badass.
22:58
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, that make it look so easy.
23:03
Speaker 5: How did you guys become friends? I just got to know,
23:05
Speaker 5: because I mean, you don't you don't typically think of,
23:07
Speaker 5: you know, a sweetest post hardcore being friends with the
23:10
Speaker 5: band from southern California.
23:12
Speaker 4: Yeah.
23:12
Speaker 2: Well, I think the funny thing with that story too is, uh,
23:16
Speaker 2: you know, going back before when we were saying how
23:18
Speaker 2: that industry never embraced us, we happened to be going
23:20
Speaker 2: through Nashville and it was during the double Wards and
23:24
Speaker 2: I think we were stopping through because we never were
23:26
Speaker 2: a part of that scene. But uh, there was showcase.
23:29
Speaker 2: I think we showcased there. That's what it was.
23:31
Speaker 4: We did a showcase and.
23:33
Speaker 2: We played some club and I found a blindside cassette
23:39
Speaker 2: tape and then on the way out of Nashville, we
23:42
Speaker 2: played it and was like, dude, I love this tape
23:45
Speaker 2: is awesome. All the guys are listening to were like,
23:47
Speaker 2: these guys are cool. So, you know, it was like, dude,
23:50
Speaker 2: this is our kind of vibe, you know. And then
23:53
Speaker 2: I think it might have been a couple of years later.
23:55
Speaker 2: The next year they played Cornerstone and then on one
23:58
Speaker 2: of the new stages, and so we instantly went up
24:01
Speaker 2: to them and introduced ourselves and then it's been a
24:05
Speaker 2: love story ever since. And uh, you know, we then
24:09
Speaker 2: we took them on tour multiple times and then the moment,
24:12
Speaker 2: you know, we got them signed to Elektra under our label,
24:16
Speaker 2: and so we were just we were always showcasing them
24:18
Speaker 2: because at that point we were trying to tell the
24:19
Speaker 2: world that do there's so much great music, but you're
24:23
Speaker 2: not hearing it because you are you are you are labeling,
24:26
Speaker 2: labeling them Christian and you're not giving them a chance. Yeah,
24:30
Speaker 2: and they're so good. I mean, at that point we
24:32
Speaker 2: had met so many underground bands. You know, a lot
24:35
Speaker 2: of the bands that were on Tooth and Nail and
24:36
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, but that was still seen as like, oh,
24:39
Speaker 2: that's Tooth and Nail, that's a Christian label, that's not
24:41
Speaker 2: Victory Records, that's not this or that. And it was like, dude, no,
24:45
Speaker 2: there's so many great bands you got to give them
24:47
Speaker 2: a chance. And Blindside was one of those bands we
24:49
Speaker 2: were willing to take a chance on and say, dude, you.
24:51
Speaker 4: Got to listen. We vouched for these guys. These guys
24:53
Speaker 4: are awesome, amazing. You know.
24:56
Speaker 5: The other big question I had here is, I mean,
24:57
Speaker 5: you guys have had a ton of labels, they guys
25:00
Speaker 5: have been under Would you mind pulling back the curtain
25:03
Speaker 5: a little bit on kind of the business side of
25:05
Speaker 5: things and maybe like were they you're just kind of
25:08
Speaker 5: rough relationships or were you guys mistreated a little bit
25:11
Speaker 5: at some point or.
25:12
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean we did everything independently on
25:15
Speaker 2: Rescue Records. That was our own independent label. At one point.
25:20
Speaker 2: There was a big before Atlantic Records. There was a
25:22
Speaker 2: big at the time there was a Christian label. I
25:25
Speaker 2: can't quite remember the name now, but they were you know,
25:28
Speaker 2: they were big, right, They didn't have they weren't like
25:32
Speaker 2: Tooth and Nail, where they had all the same kind
25:34
Speaker 2: of genre, all the cool kids. They were more like
25:36
Speaker 2: some of the big contemporary and they wanted to sign us,
25:39
Speaker 2: and I remember at the time just feeling like, this
25:42
Speaker 2: isn't the way we're supposed to go, and so we
25:44
Speaker 2: turned them down. Later on to get signed by Atlantic,
25:49
Speaker 2: which was about yeah, which we knew right, but then, honestly,
25:53
Speaker 2: I mean, come with Atlantic, we had like a we
25:56
Speaker 2: had five six album deal with them, and it was great.
25:58
Speaker 2: Like they I don't think they expected us to do
26:01
Speaker 2: what we did, right, I think they just signed us
26:03
Speaker 2: more like it because of our A and R believed
26:07
Speaker 2: in us.
26:07
Speaker 4: You know, they saw that we had a following.
26:09
Speaker 2: They signed us, didn't do anything, but all of a sudden,
26:12
Speaker 2: again because of that following, because of cool relationships, because
26:16
Speaker 2: of our work ethic, all of a sudden, that first
26:19
Speaker 2: record goes platinum, second record comes out, They're showing us, Okay,
26:22
Speaker 2: let me put a little bit of love into these guys.
26:24
Speaker 2: And then we started to go international. And then when
26:27
Speaker 2: that album went you know, four or five platinum. It
26:29
Speaker 2: was like, this is insane. But then come the next
26:32
Speaker 2: record when we when we made an album, that's when
26:35
Speaker 2: the shift and the industry started happening. Labels were shutting down.
26:40
Speaker 4: So at that.
26:40
Speaker 2: Point is when we started to see their priorities. Even
26:44
Speaker 2: though we're one of the biggest bands on their label,
26:47
Speaker 2: they had already made their money from us. It wasn't
26:50
Speaker 2: it was no big deal. You know, they didn't have
26:52
Speaker 2: any like personal investment. I mean, the relationships that we
26:55
Speaker 2: built with A and RS and radio. They all loved us,
26:58
Speaker 2: but the big wigs they were more you know, more
27:02
Speaker 2: impressed with their kid rocks of the world, you know
27:04
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it was like, you know, we here,
27:08
Speaker 2: we were out with Lincoln Park and our song is
27:11
Speaker 2: number one, It's number one on TRL. We're out with
27:15
Speaker 2: Lincoln Park, the biggest tour of the summer, and they
27:17
Speaker 2: come to find out, you know, they didn't even release
27:19
Speaker 2: like our second single, they didn't release our second video.
27:23
Speaker 4: We had already made a video, spent money on a video.
27:26
Speaker 4: But at this time, everybody.
27:28
Speaker 2: Was just worried about saving their you know, their jobs,
27:30
Speaker 2: and they didn't know if they were going to be
27:32
Speaker 2: fired or not, and so we saw that shift and
27:35
Speaker 2: then when the time Testify came out again spent they
27:38
Speaker 2: spent a ton of money on it. We think, we
27:40
Speaker 2: were like, why would they spend a ton of money
27:42
Speaker 2: and then not do anything with it. We had Glenn
27:45
Speaker 2: Ballard who was like one of the biggest he's going
27:47
Speaker 2: to go down in the Hall of Fame as well
27:50
Speaker 2: as a rock producer and music producer. We thought, surely
27:53
Speaker 2: they're going to pay attention. Didn't pay attention. After that time,
27:57
Speaker 2: we were going into a fifth record with Atlantic Record
28:00
Speaker 2: and because at that point they already shelved two of
28:02
Speaker 2: our records, they were they our recording budget was going
28:06
Speaker 2: it was all in the it was in the six
28:08
Speaker 2: figures and.
28:12
Speaker 4: Or should it is that seven figures six figures? Okay?
28:15
Speaker 2: And over a million was our budget? Oh wow, yeah,
28:19
Speaker 2: over a million was our was our recording budget. And
28:21
Speaker 2: so but at this point, because they had shelved all
28:24
Speaker 2: our stuff, we literally went in and said, dude.
28:27
Speaker 4: Just just let us go.
28:29
Speaker 2: Let us go, like like because what's the point, Like
28:33
Speaker 2: we can honestly, we can honestly go in and make
28:35
Speaker 2: a ten dollar record and keep the million whatever that
28:38
Speaker 2: you're going to pay, but we don't want to do that.
28:40
Speaker 4: We don't want to make.
28:41
Speaker 2: Another record that you guys are not going to pay
28:43
Speaker 2: attention to.
28:44
Speaker 4: So we sacrificed.
28:46
Speaker 2: That that budget to just to just be released. And
28:52
Speaker 2: then once we got released, we you know, we learned
28:55
Speaker 2: a lot, and then we did some We jumped on
28:58
Speaker 2: I in O Columbia and then and but at that
29:01
Speaker 2: point there was always these struggling the struggle of these
29:04
Speaker 2: labels trying to do stuff. We did stuff with them.
29:06
Speaker 2: The band went through some stuff, We went through a
29:08
Speaker 2: little hiatus, and then we went back on with the
29:11
Speaker 2: Razor and Tie.
29:12
Speaker 4: We wanted to go.
29:12
Speaker 2: We wanted to try something maybe a little bit more underground,
29:16
Speaker 2: you know, But we've always been in kind of control
29:19
Speaker 2: of that because at that point, I think when we
29:22
Speaker 2: got back on the scene, we realized that we don't
29:25
Speaker 2: want to be a part of this industry anymore. Like
29:27
Speaker 2: we we rather we rather not sell out and just
29:30
Speaker 2: be ourselves and make less money, sell less records than
29:35
Speaker 2: be what we saw a lot of the same bands
29:37
Speaker 2: that genre we were doing. Like you see how many
29:39
Speaker 2: people change. Music's changed, looks changed. There was just so
29:43
Speaker 2: much stuff and I don't I don't blame them for that.
29:46
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, this
29:48
Speaker 2: is our band, It's like, and labels make you think
29:50
Speaker 2: that it's your band, but when they put money behind you,
29:53
Speaker 2: they like to tell you what to do, you know,
29:54
Speaker 2: and we weren't going to do that.
29:57
Speaker 5: Totally understandable. It sounds like it I was like the
30:00
Speaker 5: most impossible business to to wade through, especially when you're
30:04
Speaker 5: making million dollar decisions. Legitimately, yeah, but it was.
30:08
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
30:08
Speaker 2: But then especially now and then now with the music
30:11
Speaker 2: and needs changed and nobody buys records, it's a whole
30:13
Speaker 2: different animal now, Like we were saying earlier, you have
30:15
Speaker 2: you have to tour, so it's a it's a whole
30:19
Speaker 2: completely different animal. So you know, you and when we
30:23
Speaker 2: came back to it, it was more like, dude, you know what, Uh,
30:26
Speaker 2: we love what we do. We still believe that it's
30:28
Speaker 2: it's relevant and it means something. It's like, let's just
30:31
Speaker 2: let's just do one more record, you know, let's let's
30:33
Speaker 2: do one more tour.
30:34
Speaker 4: And we just haven't.
30:35
Speaker 2: Quit yet because we we just believe that something is
30:38
Speaker 2: still there, it's still happening. Because the truth is and
30:42
Speaker 2: especially now this year with COVID, It's like, dude, I
30:45
Speaker 2: can I can go find a job somewhere else and
30:49
Speaker 2: probably make more money. But and I probably should have,
30:54
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm hanging on to the hope of that.
30:56
Speaker 2: It's you know, I I believe in the bigger picture,
30:59
Speaker 2: you know, so so we keep we keep fighting through.
31:01
Speaker 5: You know, we believe in it as well. It sounds
31:03
Speaker 5: like you like like you are are moving in a
31:06
Speaker 5: solo direction as well. Is that true?
31:08
Speaker 2: I during COVID, I was able to put together probably
31:12
Speaker 2: you know a little bit about an album and album
31:14
Speaker 2: and a half with the material and and that's just
31:16
Speaker 2: and now and I'm trying to figure out what to
31:18
Speaker 2: do with that as well. You know, I love it.
31:21
Speaker 2: I love I really enjoy what what's happened, and it
31:25
Speaker 2: sounds great and and it's just trying to wead through
31:30
Speaker 2: what's up shows coming up this year? Label wants a
31:33
Speaker 2: pod record, like not trying to interfere, fear.
31:36
Speaker 4: Like but what is it?
31:37
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it all means right now.
31:39
Speaker 5: Sure, if you had to do a show right now,
31:43
Speaker 5: how do you think you would do it?
31:44
Speaker 4: Like?
31:44
Speaker 5: Would you would you try like one of these like
31:46
Speaker 5: drive in shows or anything like that.
31:49
Speaker 4: You know.
31:49
Speaker 5: I just I just saw that the Flaming Lips. I
31:51
Speaker 5: don't know if you're a fan of the Famous, but
31:54
Speaker 5: they just bought like twenty thousand, uh like spaceballs, like
31:59
Speaker 5: I don't like, I'm know if you've ever seen like
32:00
Speaker 5: they're basically like big, like plastic balls that people can
32:03
Speaker 5: stand in, and they bought them, and you can actually
32:07
Speaker 5: rent one of the balls so that you can actually
32:09
Speaker 5: go to one of their concerts. So everyone's like standing
32:12
Speaker 5: in the crowd and like these giant orbs. Essentially, that
32:15
Speaker 5: is so cool.
32:17
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I was just on a conference
32:22
Speaker 2: call right before this one with the with the guys,
32:25
Speaker 2: and we're trying to we're trying to figure it out.
32:28
Speaker 4: You know, we already have a.
32:30
Speaker 2: Tour in in June in Europe for about five weeks.
32:35
Speaker 2: Everything from this year just got pushed back, you know.
32:38
Speaker 2: San Diego just went back into the purple tier. I mean,
32:41
Speaker 2: so there's there's everybody still doesn't it's the unknown, and
32:45
Speaker 2: they're predicting in the States still no more shows until April,
32:49
Speaker 2: so we really don't know. So that's now you see
32:51
Speaker 2: people doing the streaming. So we've talked about it all.
32:55
Speaker 4: But we do.
32:55
Speaker 2: We're such a live band, it's so hard to it's
32:59
Speaker 2: so hard to duple kate that, you know, in your
33:01
Speaker 2: computer speakers or your your headphones, the feel when there's
33:05
Speaker 2: no crowd. You know, it's not like, you know, whatever
33:09
Speaker 2: Metallica or you can have all the production in the
33:12
Speaker 2: world and just make you know, big, what is it,
33:16
Speaker 2: you know, just some big concert like no, we're our concert.
33:20
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of it consists just of the crowd having
33:22
Speaker 2: fun and being a part of the show, you know.
33:25
Speaker 2: So it's a little bit difficult to translate that. And
33:29
Speaker 2: people have talked about driving shows, but then still a
33:32
Speaker 2: lot of them are still closed off, and so who knows.
33:35
Speaker 4: In the meantime, we're just writing, all right.
33:37
Speaker 1: So, Sonny, one of my favorite music fun facts of
33:42
Speaker 1: all time is that many years ago there was a
33:47
Speaker 1: young Katy Perry that was featured on a pod song.
33:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot.
33:53
Speaker 1: Of people, I still like, people who are big fans
33:55
Speaker 1: of Katie Perry to this day probably don't really know
33:58
Speaker 1: about this. How in the world did Katy Perry get
34:03
Speaker 1: featured on Goodbye for Now? How did that whole story happen?
34:07
Speaker 1: Because I am fascinated by all this. I like some
34:10
Speaker 1: sense of like because I knew she like grew up
34:12
Speaker 1: Christian and everything, but like, I am fascinated by this story.
34:16
Speaker 2: Right. Well, see that was again going back to Glenn Ballard,
34:20
Speaker 2: you know, mister Grammy Glenn. We're at his one of
34:24
Speaker 2: his studios up in like Calabasas Area, LA. And again
34:30
Speaker 2: a crazy budget to work with, and we're like, dude,
34:33
Speaker 2: Glenn Ballard, of course, so we do this song and
34:35
Speaker 2: then at one point I say, dude, it would be
34:38
Speaker 2: really cool to have some female vocals just kind of
34:40
Speaker 2: like rapping up this outro, you know. And he was like, dude,
34:43
Speaker 2: I got the perfect girl. Mind you he found like
34:46
Speaker 2: Alanis Morsett. He I mean, he's worked with everybody you
34:50
Speaker 2: name it, like all his Grammys in a studio A
34:52
Speaker 2: just collecting dusts from Michael Jackson to Commodore to definitely
34:56
Speaker 2: across the board.
34:57
Speaker 4: Right.
34:58
Speaker 2: And so now he's dude, I got this this female
35:02
Speaker 2: young girls you know that I'm bringing up. And it
35:04
Speaker 2: was like, dude, of course, whatever you touch is gold, right,
35:08
Speaker 2: And so he's like.
35:09
Speaker 4: Well, I'll bring her in.
35:09
Speaker 2: She can hang out because we would have dinner every
35:11
Speaker 2: night we work late to just have dinner.
35:13
Speaker 4: It was kind of like this.
35:14
Speaker 2: Family routine, and so he brought in Katie and she
35:17
Speaker 2: would hang out. And at that time, she was just
35:20
Speaker 2: very tomboyish, you know, like very silly and goofy. I mean,
35:25
Speaker 2: I think my cousin has video of her just like
35:27
Speaker 2: sitting around picking her nose, like just being She was
35:30
Speaker 2: like one of the guys, you know. And we really
35:33
Speaker 2: did bond just just because she was awesome. She knew
35:37
Speaker 2: of the band, you know, she told us about her
35:40
Speaker 2: upbringing and stuff like that, but now she was in
35:41
Speaker 2: Hollywood just trying to make it here and there, and
35:44
Speaker 2: it was like, dude, so we kind of related in
35:46
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, you know, and so sure enough
35:49
Speaker 2: she recorded it was awesome.
35:50
Speaker 4: We end up doing like the Jay Leno Show.
35:52
Speaker 2: We shot a video for it, we did some other
35:55
Speaker 2: TV shows together, and then we would always we'd run
35:59
Speaker 2: into her back and forth at like Hollywood music events,
36:03
Speaker 2: and she was just this girl we knew was gonna
36:06
Speaker 2: make it at some point, and then all of a sudden,
36:08
Speaker 2: you know, here she is the you know, the diva
36:11
Speaker 2: Katie Ferry.
36:13
Speaker 5: I don't think she could have made it without you guys,
36:15
Speaker 5: though I'm being honest, I think she could have made
36:19
Speaker 5: it without you guys.
36:20
Speaker 2: I think at one point, I think when it actually
36:22
Speaker 2: got out, when it actually got out, I think it's
36:25
Speaker 2: because she actually tweeted like something about Podino Live and
36:29
Speaker 2: I love this song or something like that, and people
36:32
Speaker 2: were like what, And then I think people started putting
36:35
Speaker 2: things together and it was like it became this kind
36:37
Speaker 2: of like rumor meal that went around.
36:39
Speaker 1: What's your relationship with her these days? I mean, I'm
36:41
Speaker 1: sure she's super busy. You guys are super busy, like
36:44
Speaker 1: but you like.
36:45
Speaker 4: We're gonna, yeah, we're gonna have tea.
36:48
Speaker 1: Oh great, love. It's gonna get her on the podcast too.
36:51
Speaker 1: That'd be great if you could get on the podcast.
36:52
Speaker 2: She's gonna fry me out to Morocco and we're gonna
36:54
Speaker 2: hang out there.
36:57
Speaker 5: Guy's gonna go tour Casablanca.
36:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. She's in a whole different atmosphere right now.
37:03
Speaker 2: That's right with the world.
37:07
Speaker 1: Speaking of California, I was talking with my roommate about
37:11
Speaker 1: this the other day, and I think it's, you know,
37:12
Speaker 1: because of the the political season, political climate and everything.
37:16
Speaker 1: I've been listening to a lot of rage against the machine.
37:19
Speaker 3: And yeah, and you know those.
37:20
Speaker 1: Guys are from California as well, Mixed Race Band. You
37:23
Speaker 1: guys coming from southern cal as well as Mixed Race Band,
37:27
Speaker 1: and I and I know that, like you know, maybe
37:29
Speaker 1: politically or whatever, your your rage is much more uffront
37:32
Speaker 1: about that and everything. But I'm just really curious about, like,
37:36
Speaker 1: you know, considering you all too, like you you all
37:39
Speaker 1: grew up in southern California, you grew up in a
37:41
Speaker 1: in a culture that was extremely diverse and everything, Like,
37:45
Speaker 1: do you feel like there has been like maybe more subtlely,
37:48
Speaker 1: but do you feel like there has been some sort
37:49
Speaker 1: of political causes that POD has cared about, maybe in
37:54
Speaker 1: its lyrics or whatever over these years.
37:59
Speaker 2: I think we made a conscious decision to stay clear
38:04
Speaker 2: of a lot of that, even even if it was
38:07
Speaker 2: something that is so true to your heart, like even now,
38:09
Speaker 2: like for me as a man of faith, like I
38:14
Speaker 2: want to see people know Jesus. That's that's the bottom line.
38:17
Speaker 2: I want to see people forgiven of their sins. I
38:22
Speaker 2: want them to know they have a redeemer. I want
38:23
Speaker 2: them to have a relationship with God. And a lot
38:27
Speaker 2: of times so my opinions don't matter. At the end
38:31
Speaker 2: of the day, it's my opinion, and I don't want
38:34
Speaker 2: that to interfere, especially now with when everybody is so
38:37
Speaker 2: sensitive about everything. I rather, I identify in Jesus. I
38:44
Speaker 2: don't identify as this multicultural ethnic person that I am.
38:50
Speaker 2: I don't identify by a political party. I don't identify
38:54
Speaker 2: with rich or poor, you know what I mean this,
38:58
Speaker 2: or even even as a religion person or non religious person.
39:02
Speaker 2: I don't identify in those things. I identify in Jesus.
39:08
Speaker 2: And the moment I bring up that stuff that the
39:10
Speaker 2: subject that means that the platform is no longer about
39:14
Speaker 2: Jesus or the spotlight is no longer on Jesus. My
39:17
Speaker 2: life is to put a spotlight on Jesus. Now I'm
39:19
Speaker 2: not perfect, I'm not you know, I've made a lot
39:21
Speaker 2: of mistakes. But my heart's goal and my intention in
39:25
Speaker 2: my life is to put a spotlight on Jesus. And
39:29
Speaker 2: when you start to get so involved in all that stuff,
39:31
Speaker 2: especially now, it's so consuming that then you start to
39:34
Speaker 2: take your eyes off of Jesus, off of the cross,
39:38
Speaker 2: off of Europe, off of that identity, and you start
39:41
Speaker 2: to find your identity and other things I don't want
39:44
Speaker 2: to find my identity another thing. I'm a lot of things, right,
39:48
Speaker 2: I'm a husband, a father, I'm a lot of things.
39:52
Speaker 4: But my identity is in Jesus.
39:55
Speaker 1: You were talking about earlier about how even from the
39:58
Speaker 1: very beginning and pe d was going to stand firm about,
40:02
Speaker 1: especially for yourself, that you're going to care about Jesus
40:06
Speaker 1: and you're gonna proclaim that. And so that's something that
40:09
Speaker 1: hasn't changed over even over twenty five years now in
40:12
Speaker 1: the existence of POD. But I am curious, in over
40:15
Speaker 1: those twenty five plus years, how has your faith maybe changed.
40:22
Speaker 2: It's I mean, this is this is a journey, right,
40:25
Speaker 2: this is this is a life. And I can only
40:27
Speaker 2: speak for myself. But even with the guys, we've gone
40:29
Speaker 2: through so many ups and downs. You got to imagine
40:32
Speaker 2: we're not these teenage kids that I mean, we all
40:35
Speaker 2: had this real kind of transformation, right dude. We found
40:39
Speaker 2: faith and it was awesome. But like everybody else, you
40:44
Speaker 2: go through seasons in life, you know what I mean,
40:45
Speaker 2: You turn twenty one, you know what I mean, you
40:48
Speaker 2: move out all of a sudden, you start experiencing other freedoms,
40:51
Speaker 2: and you now you have to start putting all, you know,
40:54
Speaker 2: your faith and your belief into practice. And we were
40:59
Speaker 2: this band.
40:59
Speaker 4: That out of the hood.
41:00
Speaker 2: We didn't know that, you know, all of a sudden
41:02
Speaker 2: you be thrown into the mix of rock and roll.
41:04
Speaker 2: I mean, talk about testing your faith, you know. And
41:07
Speaker 2: then not only that, not only that, you know, here
41:10
Speaker 2: we are we're saying, oh, yeah, dude, I believe in Jesus,
41:12
Speaker 2: so that makes me a Christian. And then you find
41:14
Speaker 2: out that I don't even know how to define the
41:17
Speaker 2: term Christian. I mean, I know how the Bible defines it.
41:20
Speaker 2: But all of a sudden, we leave California, you know,
41:23
Speaker 2: we're on the East Coast, like, oh, you guys are
41:25
Speaker 2: California Christians. You know, you go to other places, other countries,
41:30
Speaker 2: and it's just different. And then there's all these different denominations.
41:32
Speaker 2: There's so many, so many things. So in all these
41:36
Speaker 2: thirty years, it's still a learning process, which is awesome.
41:40
Speaker 2: And sometimes you're on super highs, sometimes you're on super lows.
41:44
Speaker 2: But but you know, and and again I think, different
41:48
Speaker 2: influences and so it really is just putting everything into practice.
41:51
Speaker 2: And like I said before, not a saint, not perfect,
41:56
Speaker 2: but God is you know, what I mean, and my
42:00
Speaker 2: heart hasn't changed in all these years in music is that, dude.
42:03
Speaker 2: It's not about me. It's not about my band. But
42:06
Speaker 2: I do believe in a God that can change your
42:08
Speaker 2: life and and for the good, you know, And there's
42:11
Speaker 2: there's a there's a story behind that and if we
42:14
Speaker 2: can point people to that. It's always been my attentions
42:16
Speaker 2: and you know, and I don't think that will ever change.
42:20
Speaker 2: It's just sometimes it's just that visions in the in
42:23
Speaker 2: the past. Sometimes it's been clear, sometimes it's been blurry
42:27
Speaker 2: from whatever reasons could be. Just dude, you know, I've
42:29
Speaker 2: been touring twenty months out of the year. It could
42:32
Speaker 2: be I'm just sick of this. I'm sick of that.
42:35
Speaker 2: I've been burnt by this, these Christians or this church,
42:38
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and all those things get
42:40
Speaker 2: in the way, and it's like, oh, I'm so tired
42:42
Speaker 2: of this. But it always comes back down to dude,
42:46
Speaker 2: it comes back down to Jesus.
42:47
Speaker 5: That's it, Sonny. I've got I've got an idea for you.
42:54
Speaker 5: I think you are You're such a genuine and well
42:57
Speaker 5: spoken dude that I think you need to start a
43:01
Speaker 5: podcast in which you maybe you give like a little
43:05
Speaker 5: devotional maybe give a little history of the p O
43:06
Speaker 5: D or And obviously you got to call it the
43:10
Speaker 5: PO D cast, right. I think.
43:15
Speaker 2: I think you need all the I think I need
43:17
Speaker 2: all the guys involved in that one.
43:21
Speaker 5: Well, we've we've reached part of the show. The toughest
43:24
Speaker 5: part of the show, the one it's the hot seat
43:26
Speaker 5: where everyone gets squeamish when they get asked these questions,
43:30
Speaker 5: the questions relating to the most influential albums of your life?
43:36
Speaker 5: Are you is this something that you're prepared for.
43:39
Speaker 2: No, even though you told me about this, I can't.
43:43
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll throw out some but I don't think
43:46
Speaker 2: you can ever say that these are the ones the
43:50
Speaker 2: ones right. You can put it, you can try and
43:53
Speaker 2: put together a top five. But that's the beautiful thing
43:57
Speaker 2: about music, is like, is the more I don't want
44:00
Speaker 2: to be accountable for laying down those five and then remember, oh,
44:03
Speaker 2: this season in my life, or oh I remember that
44:06
Speaker 2: memory of that time or when that album was on repeat.
44:09
Speaker 2: I totally forgot about that. So that's it's tough.
44:12
Speaker 3: Maybe the five that pop in your mind, Yeah, what what.
44:16
Speaker 5: Would be the first five that just go boom.
44:18
Speaker 1: That's one and so, and feel free like each time
44:21
Speaker 1: that you say one, feel free to comment on it.
44:23
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about how you maybe first heard
44:25
Speaker 1: about it or whatever, but you feel free to comment.
44:30
Speaker 2: Well, one when you say that, like it's always a
44:34
Speaker 2: no brainer to me would be YouTube's Joshua Tree, Like
44:38
Speaker 2: when my dad introduced that to me, and I already
44:41
Speaker 2: knew YouTube from Sunday Buddy Sunday and it certain stuff.
44:44
Speaker 2: But when I listened to that album all the way through,
44:47
Speaker 2: there was just a feeling behind it. And even as
44:50
Speaker 2: a kid, I knew that there was This was a
44:52
Speaker 2: spiritual album, you know what I mean? It was it
44:54
Speaker 2: was something about it. And even now when I think
44:57
Speaker 2: I just did a road tip recently and played it
44:59
Speaker 2: from front of was like goosebumps all the way through.
45:01
Speaker 4: You know, So that that's an album.
45:04
Speaker 2: Not only were they amazing musicians, I think they all
45:07
Speaker 2: had their own style. Brono two, you know, I mean,
45:10
Speaker 2: I don't consider him the greatest singer, just like I
45:12
Speaker 2: don't consider myself, but you have your own kind of thing.
45:16
Speaker 4: And it works. So that that's one album for sure.
45:19
Speaker 2: When I started getting to really groove stuff, there's a
45:24
Speaker 2: band called quicksand that I really absolutely love to this day.
45:30
Speaker 2: There's an album called Slip. It just had a certain
45:33
Speaker 2: groove to it. And this is when I was discovering
45:36
Speaker 2: these kind of bands, you know, after the Bad Brains
45:42
Speaker 2: Bad Brains Quickness album, to me, is still one of
45:45
Speaker 2: my favorites. And that was and only then because they
45:49
Speaker 2: were four black guys in what at the time, I
45:54
Speaker 2: wasn't into punk rock music because I thought that was
45:57
Speaker 2: an English you know, sex pistols and I'm like, what,
46:01
Speaker 2: I don't identify with these white guys from England, Uh,
46:05
Speaker 2: you know, with spikes and you know, mohawks, and that's
46:08
Speaker 2: not that's not my street. So I don't I don't identify,
46:11
Speaker 2: And to me, that was punk rock music until someone said, dude,
46:14
Speaker 2: check out this band and I saw that there were
46:16
Speaker 2: four black guys, you know, with dreadlocks. I was like,
46:20
Speaker 2: what do these guys know that I don't know? Like
46:23
Speaker 2: why why are they making white music? That's what I thought,
46:27
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And then and then
46:29
Speaker 2: and then you dig into it and you're like, holy gol, dude,
46:32
Speaker 2: these guys they're onto something.
46:34
Speaker 4: And then you start then you start.
46:36
Speaker 2: To see the you know, the fugazi's and the minor
46:38
Speaker 2: threats and all these, and then I was I like
46:41
Speaker 2: suicidal tendencies, but because why they were a band of
46:44
Speaker 2: color and so and they were from la or Venice Beach,
46:47
Speaker 2: and it was like I could relate more to that.
46:50
Speaker 2: So these are the kind of bands that opened up,
46:52
Speaker 2: especially bad beings, opened up a whole nother avenue of like, wow,
46:58
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of there's a lot of underground
47:01
Speaker 2: music that's happening that that I can that I can appreciate,
47:03
Speaker 2: you know.
47:04
Speaker 5: That's fantastic man.
47:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And and obviously the first time I heard
47:08
Speaker 2: the police, the first time I heard the police police.
47:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they kind of I mean they were one
47:13
Speaker 5: of those another you know, genre bending kind of bands, right,
47:17
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, there's stuff that white guys definitely do.
47:21
Speaker 2: Well because either because of England, the reggae scene was huge,
47:27
Speaker 2: and Marley spent most of his time up in England,
47:30
Speaker 2: so it was most of Europe and England that that
47:34
Speaker 2: were receptive to reggae music before even the States were so,
47:37
Speaker 2: so Marley spent a lot of time up there, and
47:39
Speaker 2: so reggae music there's so many English reggae bands that
47:42
Speaker 2: are legendary that came, you know, obviously from England, but
47:45
Speaker 2: because the police, they listened to them and they're like,
47:49
Speaker 2: you know, so you just thought that that was a
47:51
Speaker 2: police sound. But you're like, no, you guys are ripping
47:54
Speaker 2: off these guys from Jamaica, you know. But it all works,
47:58
Speaker 2: you know, But so with the clash, everybody all. But
48:01
Speaker 2: that just goes to show you that were influenced by
48:04
Speaker 2: so many different things and people and countries and it's
48:07
Speaker 2: an amazing thing.
48:09
Speaker 3: That is cool.
48:10
Speaker 5: What about were there some hip hop records as well
48:12
Speaker 5: that that kind of.
48:15
Speaker 4: Me?
48:15
Speaker 5: I mean, you're very talented in that realm as well.
48:18
Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like people don't want to
48:19
Speaker 5: talk about that anymore.
48:20
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, no when when When I grew
48:23
Speaker 2: up in a young rock and roll family and then
48:26
Speaker 2: but the first time I heard like run DMC.
48:30
Speaker 4: And and and I liked rock and roll, my family did.
48:33
Speaker 2: But when I got to pick for myself, I became
48:36
Speaker 2: more of a That's why I liked reggae music so much,
48:40
Speaker 2: because there was a there's a conscience there, there's like
48:42
Speaker 2: a they were it was about their surroundings it was
48:45
Speaker 2: real rock.
48:46
Speaker 4: To me, rock and roll was sex, drugs and rock
48:49
Speaker 4: and roll.
48:49
Speaker 2: It's just I'm just telling a story of I don't
48:52
Speaker 2: even relate to you know what I mean.
48:53
Speaker 4: It's not that's outside of my realm.
48:55
Speaker 2: But then when you listen to run DMC or these
48:59
Speaker 2: guys were talking about the streets or and those were
49:01
Speaker 2: all East Coast bands, So again I wasn't East Coast.
49:03
Speaker 2: But then all of a sudden on NWA and all
49:05
Speaker 2: these people came out Cypress Hill, You're like, oh, okay,
49:09
Speaker 2: this is more my this is my my side of
49:12
Speaker 2: the coast, right, But same thing it was talking They
49:15
Speaker 2: were talking about things that I could relate to, the
49:18
Speaker 2: same thing with reggae music, it was more this there
49:21
Speaker 2: was a lot of spiritual influences that there was a
49:23
Speaker 2: lot of Old Testament, you know, a lot of biblical
49:26
Speaker 2: themes and scriptures that were in that music that I
49:30
Speaker 2: didn't even realize at the time. I mean, I knew
49:32
Speaker 2: it was biblical, but you know, later on in life
49:36
Speaker 2: when I realized or the Scripture says that the Word
49:38
Speaker 2: of God will never return void back void. Even when
49:41
Speaker 2: I was a punk little kid, this reggae music, these
49:45
Speaker 2: guys were singing scripture. That was that was that was
49:48
Speaker 2: being planted inside my heart and my soul. So later
49:51
Speaker 2: on when I recognized it, it was like, oh, how
49:53
Speaker 2: cool is that? You know? Yeah, everybody was just afraid
49:57
Speaker 2: of reggae music because all they're talking about, you know,
49:59
Speaker 2: just like recent earlier talking about smoking marijuana. Was like, yeah,
50:01
Speaker 2: but are you listening to what they're saying exactly?
50:04
Speaker 4: I remember. I remember like.
50:05
Speaker 2: Going on some youth group outing listening to Bob Marley
50:08
Speaker 2: and the guy was like, you can't listen to that?
50:10
Speaker 2: And I challenged him and I said why, I said,
50:12
Speaker 2: He just said, dude, we're Jamin with Jamin in the
50:15
Speaker 2: name of the Lord. Why can't I? Why can't I
50:17
Speaker 2: listen to this? You know what I'm saying, Like everything
50:20
Speaker 2: he's talking about is biblical. Why can't I listen to it?
50:23
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, because they smoke herb and
50:24
Speaker 2: stuff like okay, like that's that's that's so little.
50:28
Speaker 5: Like it's such culture just just yeah, its way in right.
50:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, so you know it happens for sure.
50:39
Speaker 5: Hey, real quick question here at the end, have you
50:42
Speaker 5: ever heard of the band hands or everything? In slow motion?
50:48
Speaker 5: They're Harth Dakota guy by the name of Shane Oshner.
50:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't they face Down?
50:54
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, yes, I was just gonna say I.
50:56
Speaker 4: First saw Hands at Cornerstone.
50:58
Speaker 2: I watched him play and I was like, these guys
51:00
Speaker 2: are sick, and I knew Jason from Face Down, so
51:02
Speaker 2: I was like, I started to pay attention to them
51:05
Speaker 2: at that point and then everything still motion sounds familiar,
51:09
Speaker 2: but I don't have a reference point.
51:11
Speaker 5: So it's the same guy from Hands. But okay, we
51:14
Speaker 5: had him on the podcast a few weeks ago and
51:18
Speaker 5: he said the reason he got started in music was
51:21
Speaker 5: because he would dress up like like pod.
51:24
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I think he told me so. I think
51:28
Speaker 2: he told me the same story and all. Yeah, I
51:32
Speaker 2: met him at Cornerstone. That's why I remember the name
51:34
Speaker 2: because I think I think I had a conversation with
51:37
Speaker 2: Jason some years back and I was like, dude, whatever
51:39
Speaker 2: happened to that band Hands? And then I think he said, oh,
51:41
Speaker 2: he did another project, so yeah, that's that.
51:44
Speaker 1: That's that project. Yeah, he mentioned to us. I'm just
51:47
Speaker 1: throwing this out. He did mention to us he would
51:49
Speaker 1: love to collab at some point.
51:50
Speaker 4: That's true, so how's the time.
51:53
Speaker 5: Yeah, to know.
51:56
Speaker 4: Wait, this is how we work now, right, just so
52:00
Speaker 4: the fills bro, We'll get down.
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Speaker 5: We'll get you guys connected. How about that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? For sure? For sure.
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Speaker 5: Well, this is the part where we ask if there's
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Speaker 5: anything you'd like to plug your last albums out in
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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen. A new album coming.
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Speaker 2: We're writing right now, and there's plans of releasing a
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Speaker 2: record next year, which I don't really want to because
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Speaker 2: next year is our twentieth satellite anniversary, so we're gonna
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Speaker 2: be touring all year long and that's more of a
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Speaker 2: celebration for us, so to be focused on a new record,
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Speaker 2: you know, maybe a single maybe, but I would if
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Speaker 2: I had it my way, I would just love to
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Speaker 2: tour all we can next year, celebrating that record, and
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Speaker 2: then drop a record in the beginning a new record
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Speaker 2: in the beginning of twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 5: Wonderful. Any idea when the when the solo stuff might
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Speaker 5: be released or is it going to be released?
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Speaker 2: It will now, I'm just I'm kind of getting everybody's
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Speaker 2: opinions on whether to do it on my own. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I just don't want it to be came it because
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Speaker 2: the process started so naturally it really just started like this.
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Speaker 2: I knew I wasn't going to be I knew COVID
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Speaker 2: and the quarantine. I knew I couldn't be around people.
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Speaker 2: I literally hit up guys online because I heard their
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Speaker 2: music and I was like, dude, throw me a beat,
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Speaker 2: you know, throw me, and then we started talking. And
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Speaker 2: that's how easy it is, Like, dude, they throw me
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Speaker 2: the music, I can record on my computer with the mic,
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Speaker 2: and I lay down stuff and then I have, you know,
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Speaker 2: a mix it, and it's just it's happened so organically.
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Speaker 2: So I have songs from guys all around the world,
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Speaker 2: just up and coming musicians, and it all started like this.
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Speaker 2: So so I almost.
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Speaker 4: Don't want to taine it by trying to get.
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Speaker 2: A label and do that kind of stuff. So but
53:39
Speaker 2: then I don't know what to do. I'm like, should
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Speaker 2: you do like a just kickstarter still exist? You know,
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Speaker 2: I don't know this is this?
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm so I'm getting as much
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Speaker 2: counsel as I can from guys or I know, especially
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Speaker 2: in the reggae scene, that they do it all on
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Speaker 2: their on their own, which is you know, for me,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be the most beneficial.
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Speaker 5: Sure, well, I'm sure whatever you choose, you're gonna get
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Speaker 5: a ton of support.
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Speaker 4: Because thanks awesome dude.
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Speaker 5: Anything else you'd like to plug.
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Speaker 2: If you get a chance, check out the whosoevers dot com.
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Speaker 2: I just got back from Montana, Idaho and Florida doing
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Speaker 2: speaking engagement, skateparks, youth detention centers, rehabs, homer shelters, youth groups, churches,
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Speaker 2: you name it is. The Whosoevers are a brotherhood that
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Speaker 2: started with me myself, Ryan Reese Head from Corn Lacy
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Speaker 2: from fly Leaf, just people in the mainstream industry that
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Speaker 2: just wanted real accountability and real fellowship and not be religious.
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Speaker 2: And it started as a brotherhood sisterhood that just has
54:43
Speaker 2: kind of opened up into all kinds of different avenues.
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Speaker 2: And because of COVID, I recently got out and it's
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Speaker 2: just been real Jesus movement ministry out on the streets,
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Speaker 2: blessing kids with free food and free gear and skateboards
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Speaker 2: and just giving them the Gospel and it's Ros's form
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Speaker 2: and it has really been the most exciting in a
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Speaker 2: long time for my faith. And there's a real need
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Speaker 2: right now in this world for the truth of Jesus man,
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Speaker 2: and it's exciting to be a part of it.
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Speaker 5: That's fantastic. Yeahastic, All right, well we are we've reached
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Speaker 5: the end. Man. This has been so much fun. You
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Speaker 5: are awesome to have on here and we would have
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Speaker 5: you in a heartbeat.
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Speaker 4: Again, Thanks man anytime.
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Speaker 3: Brother, Absolutely, thank you again. Sonny.
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Speaker 1: It's been just absolutely incredible to chat a little bit more.
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Speaker 1: You have been a part of Color and Eyes lives
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Speaker 1: for you know, however long now, fifteen plus years. I
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Speaker 1: remember listening to Satellite back in the day. I remember
55:49
Speaker 1: listening to Testify and all the albums afterwards, and I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just an honor to be able to chat with you,
55:56
Speaker 1: to hear a little bit more about pot, what you
55:58
Speaker 1: all are up to these days, faith and all everything
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Speaker 1: in between. So it's just great to chat a little
56:03
Speaker 1: bit more. So that's been another episode of the Blacksheet podcast.
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Speaker 1: And it's for those who wonder.
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Speaker 5: It's where some everdome, where some