Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / Virginia Robert's Rejects Ghislaine Maxwell's Summary Judgement Push (Part 5) (6/9/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
- 0:04This episode, we're going to pick up where we left
- 0:07off with Virginia Roberts' response to the Glain Maxwell attempt
- 0:12to get a summary judgment in their defamation case. So
- 0:16let's get right back to it. Number two, Defendant is
- 0:21liable for the media's publication of the defamatory statement. After arguing,
- 0:26contrary to the New York law, that she is not
- 0:28liable for the media's publication of her own press release,
- 0:32Defendant next argues that she is not liable for the
- 0:35media's publications of the defamatory statement contained within her press
- 0:40release if the media chose to make even the tiniest
- 0:43of editorial changes. If we understand defendant's argument correctly, any
- 0:48emission of any language from a press release is somehow
- 0:51a selective partial publication for which she escapes liability motion
- 0:56at fourteen. Once again, this claim is absurd on its face.
- 1:01It would mean that a defamer could send to the
- 1:03media a long attack on a victim with one irrelevant sentence,
- 1:07and when the media quite predictably cut that sentence, well,
- 1:11they escape liability for the attack. Moreover, even on its face,
- 1:15the clan presents a jury question of what changes would
- 1:19be in context viewed as selective or partial publications, something
- 1:25that only a jury could determine after hearing all of
- 1:27the evidence. In support of this meritless argument, defend insides
- 1:32Ran versus New York Times Company for the proposition that
- 1:35a defendant cannot be liable for a publisher's editing and
- 1:39excerpting of a statement four thirty nys dot two D
- 1:43two seventy one two seventy four seventy five a dot
- 1:47d dot two D four seventeen four twenty two n
- 1:51dot y dot a dot d nineteen eighty. This argument
- 1:54fails for several reasons. First, there is no republication by
- 1:58the media. As a matter of law. Defendant issued a
- 2:02defamatory statement to the press, and its publication as defendant intended,
- 2:07is not a republication under the law as discussed above. Second,
- 2:11there was no editing or a paraphrasing or taking the
- 2:14quote out of context of the core defamatory statement in
- 2:18the press release that Miss Roberts is a liar. The
- 2:21obvious lies passage is the heart of the message defendant
- 2:25sent to the press that Miss Roberts was lying about
- 2:28her past sexual abuse. Even in isolation, Defendant's quote stating
- 2:33that Miss Roberts claims or obvious lies does not distort
- 2:36or misrepresent the message Defendant intended to convey to the
- 2:40public that Miss Roberts was lying about her claims. As
- 2:44this Court explained in denying Defendant's motion to dismiss, this
- 2:47case involves statements that explicitly claim the sexual assault allegations
- 2:52or false Roberts versus Maxwell one six five f Dot
- 2:57supp Dot three D one seven one fifty two SDNY
- 3:02twenty sixteen. Furthermore, the facts at issue here make the
- 3:06RAND holding in opposite. In RAND, a newspaper paraphrased and
- 3:10sanitized defendant's words. No such changing, sanitizing, or paraphrasing occurred
- 3:17in the instant case. The media quoted defendant statement accurately.
- 3:21Further the phrase at issue in RAND was that certain
- 3:24people screwed another person. The speaker newspaper used the term
- 3:28screwed in reference to our record label's dealings with a
- 3:31performing artist. N did not mean screwed in a literal sense,
- 3:35but as rhetorical hyperbole, and as such is not to
- 3:39be taken literally. By contrast, there is no hyperbole in
- 3:43defendance defamatory statement, and it was never distorted or paraphrased
- 3:48by any publication known to Miss Roberts. A jury could
- 3:51reasonably conclude that defendant statement that Miss Robert's claims of
- 3:55child sex abuse or obvious lies is not a rhetorical
- 3:59device nor hyperbole, but a literal and particular affirmation that
- 4:04Miss Roberts lied. Accordingly, there is no support in the
- 4:08factual record that the media reporting what defendants stated that
- 4:12Miss roberts claims of childhood sexual abuse are obvious lies
- 4:16is a distortion of the defendant's message or hyperbole. Even
- 4:21a cursory review of the press release would lead to
- 4:24that conclusion. Moreover, to the extent that there is any
- 4:27dispute that defendant statement had a different meaning outside of
- 4:31the context of the remainder of the press release, such
- 4:34a determination of meaning and interpretation is a question of
- 4:37fact for the jury to decide, and is inappropriate for
- 4:41determination upon some rejudgment. B Material issues of fact preclude
- 4:46some rejudgment. One the bardon declaration presents disputed issues of fact.
- 4:52The primary basis of defendant's motion for some rejudgment is
- 4:56there attorney self serving post talk Abbi David, wherein he
- 5:00sets forth his alleged intent with regard defendants defamatory statement.
- 5:05Miss Roberts disputes defendants attorneys alleged and unproven intent not
- 5:10to mention defendants intent not only because defendant refuses to
- 5:14turn over her attorney's communications, but also because questions of
- 5:18intent are questions of fact to be determined by a
- 5:22Trier effect. Furthermore, ample record evidence contradicts the claimed intent
- 5:28a The Barden declaration is a deceptive backdoor attempt to
- 5:32inject Barden's advice without providing discovery of all attorney communications.
- 5:37In her brief, defendant discloses her attorneys alleged legal strategy
- 5:41and alleged legal advice. However, she deliberately states that her
- 5:45attorneys intended instead of her attorney advised when discussing her
- 5:49attorney's legal strategy and advice, using that phrase at least
- 5:53thirty seven times, and using phrases such as Barden's beliefs, purposes, goals,
- 5:59and contemplays twenty five other times, all the while defendant
- 6:03is claim privilege as to her communications with Barden. Defendant
- 6:07attempts to convince the court that she only granted Gal
- 6:10permission to publish the defamatory statements as part of mister
- 6:14Barden's deliberated and carefully crafted MSJA at sixteen legal strategy
- 6:19and advice. Yet she still refused to turn over her
- 6:23communications with Barden under the auspices of attorney client privilege.
- 6:28Such gamesmanship should not be permitted. If the court were
- 6:31to consider the Barden declaration, which it shouldn't, it would
- 6:34be on a ruling on less than complete record, because
- 6:37based on this declaration, it is necessary that defendant discloses
- 6:41all communications with him and possibly others. Miss Roberts doesn't
- 6:45have those communications. The court doesn't have those communications. Therefore,
- 6:50defendant is asking for some rejudgment on an incomplete record.
- 6:55The court should also not consider the Bardon declaration because
- 6:58it will be an admissible as unduly prejudicial. It is
- 7:02a self serving declaration by a non deposed witness, made
- 7:06without turning over the documents that are relevant to the declaration.
- 7:11Ce e g. Rubins versus Mason, three eighty seven ft.
- 7:14Three d one eighty three, one eighty five, Second Circuit,
- 7:18two thousand and four. We find that the District Court
- 7:21predicated its grant of some rejudgment as to liability on
- 7:25an Avid David from the arbitrator who presided over the
- 7:28underlying arbitration, the probative value of which was substantially outweighed
- 7:33by the danger of unfair prejudice. The Avid David therefore
- 7:37should not have been admitted. We therefore vacate the grant
- 7:40of some rejudgment to the defendant on liability and remand
- 7:44to the District Court b defendant. Some rejudgment arguments require
- 7:49factual findings regarding Barton's intent, thereby precluding some rejudgment. Even
- 7:55were the Court to consider this declaration and representations therein
- 7:59which it should not. The declaration itself demonstrates that the
- 8:02Court would have to make factual findings as to what
- 8:05mister Barton's intent really was. Finding about intent are appropriate
- 8:10at the summary judgment stage, as this Court and the
- 8:13Second Circuit Court have recognized. This Court has explained, if
- 8:18it is necessary to resolve inferences regarding intent, summary judgment
- 8:22is not appropriate. Sweet Jay, citing Patrick versus le Fey,
- 8:27seven forty five f dot two D one fifty three
- 8:30one fifty nine, Second Circuit nineteen eighty four, Freedman versus
- 8:35Meers four eighty two f dot two D. Four thirty
- 8:38five four to thirty nine, Second Circuit, nineteen seventy three.
- 8:43See there are factual disputes regarding Bardon's declaration. Finally, there
- 8:47are material disputes over the statements in the Bardon declaration
- 8:51because they are directly refuted by record evidence. For example,
- 8:55the Instant motion and the Bardon declaration describe the press
- 8:58release merely as a doc ca him in expressing his
- 9:01mister Bardon's opinion in the form of a legal argument
- 9:04as a lawyer would be as opposed to a press
- 9:07release for dissemination by the media to the public. Record
- 9:11evidence refutes this claim. As one, the press release was
- 9:15sent to journalists two, media publishers or in house counsel. Two.
- 9:20The press release instructed the journalists to publish the defamatory statement.
- 9:25Please find attached a quotable statement on behalf of Miss
- 9:28Maxwell three. It was issued by a publicist on Defendant's
- 9:32behalf and not an attorney, without any reference to attorneys
- 9:35or laws. Indeed, gu testified that Barton was unavailable to
- 9:40approve the statement, and for Gau testified that he issued
- 9:44the statement only after he understood defendant to have signed
- 9:47off on it, in understanding he formed based on defendant's
- 9:51positive command to him. This is the agreed statement. Question
- 9:55when you sent that email, were you acting pursuing to
- 9:57Miss Maxwell's retention of your services? Answer? Yes, I was.
- 10:02Question when you say a greed statement, can you tell
- 10:05me more about what you mean? Who agreed to the statement? Answer?
- 10:08I need to give you some context if I may,
- 10:11about that statement. So this is on New Year's Day.
- 10:13I was in France, So the email time here is
- 10:16twenty one forty six in French time and twenty two
- 10:20forty six, And I was getting up early the next
- 10:22morning to drive my family back to the south of
- 10:24France to England, which is a fourteen hour journey door
- 10:28to door. So on the morning of the second of January,
- 10:31bearing in mind that Miss Maxwell I think was in
- 10:33New York, then she was five hours behind, so there
- 10:37was quite a lot of sort of time difference between
- 10:40the various countries here, I sent her an email, I believe,
- 10:43saying parsing this forwarding this email to her saying how
- 10:46do you wish to proceed? And I was on the telephone.
- 10:49I had two telephones in the car. I received an
- 10:52excess thirty phone calls from various media outlets on the
- 10:55second of January, all asking for information about how Miss
- 10:59Maxwell was looking to respond to the latest court filings
- 11:03which were filed on the thirtieth of December, as I understand,
- 11:07and by clothes towards close of play on the second
- 11:10I received an email forwarded by Miss Maxwell containing a
- 11:13draft statement which my understanding was the majority of which
- 11:17had been drafted by mister Bardon, with a header along
- 11:20the lines of this is the agreed on statement at
- 11:23close of play on the second So I was I
- 11:26had gone under the channel tunnel and I was sitting
- 11:29on the other side, and that email, which my understanding
- 11:33was that it had been signed off on by the
- 11:35client effectively, was then sent out to a number of media,
- 11:38including mister Ball and various other UK newspapers. Question, mister Gal,
- 11:43when you say end of play and close of play,
- 11:46are you referring to sending the email that is exhibit
- 11:48to answer? Yes, I am question. The subject line does
- 11:53have FW, which to me indicates it's a forward. Do
- 11:56you know where the rest of the email chain is? Answer?
- 11:59My understanding of this is it was a holiday in
- 12:02the UK, but mister Barden was not necessarily accessible at
- 12:06some point in time, so this had been sent to
- 12:08him originally by Miss Maxwell, and because he was unavailable,
- 12:12she forwarded it to me for immediate action. I therefore responded, Okay, Glaine,
- 12:16I'll go with this. It is my understanding that this
- 12:19is the agreed statement. Because the subject of the second
- 12:22one is urgent. This is the statement, so I take
- 12:25that as an instruction to send it out as a
- 12:28positive command, this is the statement. Accordingly, record evidence shows
- 12:32that the press release was intended as press release and
- 12:35not as a legal argument. Record evidence also establishes that
- 12:39defendants circulated the press release to Barden and Gal and
- 12:42then gave a positive command to Gou to publish it. Additionally,
- 12:46there is no indica that the press release is a
- 12:49legal opinion. To the contrary, It was issued by and
- 12:52specifically attributed to a woman who has personal knowledge of
- 12:56whether Miss roberts claims of sexual abuse are true, and
- 13:00she states that Miss Roberts is a liar. At the
- 13:03very least, all of these factual issues must be considered
- 13:06by a jury. Another example is that defendant states that
- 13:10Gau served only as mister Bardon's conduit to the media,
- 13:14and mister Barden was directing the January tewod through fifteenth
- 13:17statement to a discrete number of media representatives. Barden wasn't
- 13:21directing anything. He wasn't even in the loop when defendant
- 13:24decided to publish the statement, and the documents prove it. Indeed,
- 13:28the press release itself states that it is on behalf
- 13:31of Miss Maxwell, not Barton. It was the defendant who
- 13:34gave the positive command to gou to publish it. These
- 13:38are just a couple of examples among many of the
- 13:40purported facts asserted Indefendant's motion and Barden's declaration that are
- 13:45directly refuted by facts in the record. Finally, neither the
- 13:49media nor the general public could have known that the
- 13:52statement should be attributed to Barton. His name was nowhere
- 13:56in it. Nor is there any reference to Council argument
- 14:00that the context is the media knowing Bardon's intent or
- 14:03involvement is unsupported by the record. The significant factual disputes
- 14:08about Barden alone prevent some rejudgment. All right, folks, we're
- 14:12going to wrap up right there, and then in the
- 14:13next episode we'll pick up where we left off. All
- 14:17of the information that goes with this episode can be
- 14:20found in the description box.