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Episode 16_ The Mysterious Disappearance of Katelin Akens · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, it's Andrea and and you're listening to Inhuman Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just going to dive right into this case.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not a super long one, but I have, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, eight pages of notes double space. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: But much like your case that we covered on Monday,
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  Speaker 1: this case hits a little close to home for me because,
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  Speaker 1: as some of you may know but most of you
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  Speaker 1: probably don't, I lived in Northern Virginia for over ten
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  Speaker 1: years and I actually remember this case in the news
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  Speaker 1: because it did happen in the next town over from
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  Speaker 1: where I lived at the time. Wow, But I didn't like,
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  Speaker 1: I like heard about it in passing and then I
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  Speaker 1: didn't really like dive into it or like do a
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  Speaker 1: lot do a lot of research at that time. But
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  Speaker 1: I am covering the missing person's case of Caitlin Aikins.
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  Speaker 1: I can't like picture this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I've heard it before, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: excited to get all the details.
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  Speaker 1: You probably have if you've listened to all of the
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  Speaker 1: Crime Junkie episodes, because they actually did cover it, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, like a couple of years ago, that's where
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  Speaker 1: I heard like more of the details on it, and right,
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  Speaker 1: it's like one of those cases that keeps me up
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  Speaker 1: at night, Like honestly, right, you know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of cases that keep me up at night, but this
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  Speaker 1: one is definitely like top five that I need closure on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and it, unfortunately is still an open case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. I mean honestly, even if I've heard it
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  Speaker 2: on Crime Junkie, I probably don't remember it. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited for refresher and to hear to hear all
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay. So if you are somebody know has any
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  Speaker 1: details on what happened to Caitlin, please do not hesitate
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  Speaker 1: to call or contact the Spotsylvania Crime Solvers. Their number
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  Speaker 1: is one eight hundred nine to eight five eight to too,
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  Speaker 1: or you can go to their website Spotsylvania Crime Spotsylvania
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  Speaker 1: Crimesolvers dot org and I'll make sure to link all
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  Speaker 1: of that in the show notes as well, so you
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  Speaker 1: can find that if you decide to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Nineteen year old Caitlin Aikens was from Fredericksburg, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: which I used to live there, and she had recently
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  Speaker 1: been living in Arizona with her fiance. Caitlin was set
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  Speaker 1: to start cosmetology school, which was she was super excited about,
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  Speaker 1: and she had flown home to visit family and also
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  Speaker 1: grab her birth certificate and her diploma while she was there,
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  Speaker 1: which she needed to start school. While she was there,
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  Speaker 1: of course, she visited with her mom, her sister and
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  Speaker 1: her sister's new baby, and her stepdad, who was no
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  Speaker 1: longer married to her mom, but they were still really
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  Speaker 1: close and he was the only real fo the figure
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  Speaker 1: that Caitlyn had had in her life. Caitlyn had moved
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona to be with her girlfriend now fiance, Amber,
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  Speaker 1: and the two of them actually grew up together in
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  Speaker 1: Virginia and then Amber had moved to Arizona and the
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  Speaker 1: two of them kept in touch over the years and
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  Speaker 1: their friendship blossomed into something more. Aw Yeah, so when
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn was eighteen, she decided to take their relationship to
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  Speaker 1: the next level and she began dating Amber, eventually moving
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  Speaker 1: to Arizona to be with her, which like, wow, good
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  Speaker 1: for her, I guess, because that's a long move.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big move.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge move, especially at eighteen, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's not just like moving in with someone. That's
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  Speaker 2: like you're committed if you're moving across the country exactly. So,
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  Speaker 2: Caitlyn had a wonderful relationship with her mom and her sister.
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  Speaker 1: They were all very close. Lynn's mom recounts how Caitlyn
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  Speaker 1: would often call her several times a day just to chat,
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  Speaker 1: which is like funny because that's how my mom is
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  Speaker 1: with me. But like I don't like to talk on
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  Speaker 1: the phone, so like, can we just text?
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  Speaker 2: I feel that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I when I was in college, I called my mom
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  Speaker 2: at least once a day and I was always talking
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  Speaker 2: to her. But now like we almost never talk on
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  Speaker 2: the phone and just text because like I live so close.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like weird because I still don't see her every.
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  Speaker 1: Day exactly same.
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  Speaker 2: But I love when Yeah, I love when people have
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  Speaker 2: good relationships with their parents.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so do I. So being back in Virginia meant
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  Speaker 1: a lot to Caitlin because she was able to spend
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  Speaker 1: time with her family and catch up with some of
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  Speaker 1: her local friends that she hadn't seen in a while.
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  Speaker 1: And she actually had decided to hang out with some
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  Speaker 1: of those friends her last night in Virginia before she
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  Speaker 1: flew back home to Arizona, or rather her new home
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona.
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  Speaker 2: So on the.
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  Speaker 1: Morning of December fifth, twenty fifteen, Caitlyn's mom, Lisa, dropped
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn off at her stepfather's house because she unfortunately had
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  Speaker 1: to work that day and was unable to take Caitlyn
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  Speaker 1: to the airport to catch her flight. Reports say that
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  Speaker 1: her flight was around five thirty and I guess her
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  Speaker 1: mom was, you know, working and couldn't drop her off
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  Speaker 1: like earlier because you know, like two hours before or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn's stepfather, James Branton, also had work that day, but
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  Speaker 1: he worked later in the day, like closer to the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon when Caitlyn's flight time was, so it just made
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  Speaker 1: the most sense for him to drop Caitlyn off at
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  Speaker 1: the airport. James had been in Caitlyn's life since she
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  Speaker 1: was seven years old, and like I mentioned before, he
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  Speaker 1: was the only real father figure she had had in
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  Speaker 1: her life. Her biological father had walked out on their
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  Speaker 1: family when she was a baby, and despite the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he was no longer married to her mom Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: like they also had a pretty good relationship with one another.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa claims James was happy to see Caitlin, and the
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  Speaker 1: two of them began to excitedly talk about Caitlyn's plans
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  Speaker 1: for school as Lisa left to go to work. Later
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  Speaker 1: that day, Amber, Caitlyn's fiance, got a strange text from Caitlin.
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  Speaker 1: It stated that something had come up and she wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be able to fly home that day, and that she
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  Speaker 1: would be able to respond or that she wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: able to respond for a little bit. That's weird, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very like what is the word cryptive, encryptive, encryptive, cryptic, cryptic,
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  Speaker 1: that's the word.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Amber was alarmed, but she assumed that Caitlyn had more
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  Speaker 1: than likely just missed her flight. I didn't really gather
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  Speaker 1: that that was like her personality or not, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: she was kind of known to be late and things like.
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  Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, definitely weird though, like I can't I
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  Speaker 2: won't be able to respond. That's like that's really weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be alarming to me too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So later that day, Lisa and James had also swapped
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  Speaker 1: texts about how the airport drop off went, and Lisa
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  Speaker 1: asked about how traffic was, because if you do not know,
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  Speaker 1: Northern Virginia has the worst traffic in the whole time
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  Speaker 1: I've driven in like New York and Florida, Like Northern
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  Speaker 1: Virginia has the shittiest traffic. Like it's terrible. Like, if
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  Speaker 1: you need to go somewhere that's thirty miles away, you
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  Speaker 1: might as well leave two hours before you need to
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  Speaker 1: be there. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's about how like La is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's probably similar to LA,
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  Speaker 1: except for La has like six lanes of traffic and
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  Speaker 1: Virginia has like fever so right, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so bad traffic, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Really bad traffic. And he stated that it was fine
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  Speaker 1: and that he dropped had dropped her off successfully. So
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  Speaker 1: in Lisa's eyes, all was well, no reason to worry.
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  Speaker 1: Everything sounded like it was going as planned. However, a
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  Speaker 1: short while later, Lisa had received a text message from
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  Speaker 1: Caitlin stating that she was at the airport but her
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  Speaker 1: phone was about to die. She had never mentioned she
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  Speaker 1: wasn't flying home that day like she had to Amber,
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  Speaker 1: so Lisa had no idea about the exchange between the
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  Speaker 1: two of them. Okay, but you know, being a mom,
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  Speaker 1: she was concerned, and she really began to grow concern
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  Speaker 1: when she hadn't heard from Caitlin for a while, knowing
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  Speaker 1: that her phone was supposedly dying, so she decided to
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  Speaker 1: reach out to Amber herself to see if she had
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  Speaker 1: heard from Caitlin.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so she's like kind of doing her due diligence,
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So Amber told her what Caitlyn had said, but
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  Speaker 1: Lisa was confused because Caitlyn had literally just told her
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  Speaker 1: that she was at the airport right, So Lisa immediately
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  Speaker 1: felt in her good that something was not right. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: So so soon after Lisa actually received two like really
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  Speaker 1: uncharacteristic texts from Caitlyn. They both Amber and Lisa both
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  Speaker 1: said that when Caitlyn would text them, she would like
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  Speaker 1: use a lot of emojis and like she was very
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  Speaker 1: like like use like exclamation points, which I am guilty of.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, you know how people text, like you
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  Speaker 1: know your friends, you know how they text?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you can tell when like they're off
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  Speaker 2: and something like normal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the text message said I'm staying with
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  Speaker 1: a friend and the other one said I need some time,
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  Speaker 1: So I did alarming, Yeah, Lisa tried to call Caitlyn
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  Speaker 1: after that, but her phone was already off. And I
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  Speaker 1: cannot imagine the panic that Lisa must have been feeling
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  Speaker 1: at that time, Like, you know, her daughter was leaving
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  Speaker 1: all these weird text messages, like nothing is adding up
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  Speaker 1: to like her personality, and she's being very vague and
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  Speaker 1: not giving anyone any idea, like any details us to
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with her. And like I mentioned, she
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  Speaker 1: was really close with her mom, and like normally she
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  Speaker 1: would be very forthcoming with like something not being right
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  Speaker 1: and her not feeling well or you know, something you know,
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  Speaker 1: being off. So this was all like really really like
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  Speaker 1: uncharacteristic for Caitlin. So earlier that day, you know, she
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  Speaker 1: dropped Kitlyn off. Everything seemed fine, like Caitlyn was her
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  Speaker 1: normal self, and now all of this like craziness is
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  Speaker 1: transpiring and she can't get in touch with her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: So Lisa decided that all of this was suspicious, so
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  Speaker 1: she was going to reach back out to James, her
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  Speaker 1: you know, stepfather, and he confesses that he actually dropped
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn off at the Springfield Mall, which is in Springfield, Virginia,
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  Speaker 1: which is still I want to say it's still about
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  Speaker 1: thirty miles from the airport, okay, but that he had
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  Speaker 1: given her twenty dollars and that she planned to take
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  Speaker 1: the Metro to the airport, which Lisa said right away
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  Speaker 1: this was not right because Caitlin had never taken the Metro,
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  Speaker 1: she would not have the first clue on what to do,
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  Speaker 1: how to and if you've never ridden the Metro before,
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  Speaker 1: like it is very like, yeah, there's colors and you know,
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  Speaker 1: different routes and different metros you have to get on
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  Speaker 1: and it's just a lot, right And when you're yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and when you're like, if you're trying to get to
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  Speaker 1: the airport, like that's already like a little bit stressful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I don't. I would never expect somebody
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  Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, I'm gonna ride the Metro for
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  Speaker 2: the first time when I'm trying to go to the airport.
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  Speaker 1: Like no, exactly. So, you know, Lisa, knowing her daughter,
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  Speaker 1: she was like, this is not right. Like she was
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  Speaker 1: furious with James and she couldn't, for the life of
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  Speaker 1: her understand why he would allow her to do that,
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  Speaker 1: Knowing she needed to catch a flight and couldn't risk
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  Speaker 1: being or getting lost on the Metro, but he seemed
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  Speaker 1: to have, you know, faith in her and that she
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  Speaker 1: could do it and claim that's what he did, all right. So,
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  Speaker 1: while all of this was transpiring between Lisa and James Amber,
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  Speaker 1: the fiance had also began receiving Facebook messages from Caitlin. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, according to Lisa, her phone's off, she can't
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  Speaker 1: get in touch with Caitlin. But now Caitlin is Facebook
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  Speaker 1: messaging Amber, which is right, strange, that's weird. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: the message stated that Caitlyn had cheated on Amber and
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  Speaker 1: that she couldn't come home okay, So much like Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: Amber thought that the way the messages were written didn't
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  Speaker 1: sound like Caitlyn. Plus she knew Caitlin very well, like
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  Speaker 1: they had been childhood friends. Amber knew that if this
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  Speaker 1: was true, that Caitlyn would have called her and they
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  Speaker 1: would have discussed it over the phone, because that's just
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  Speaker 1: the type of relationship that they had. They were very
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  Speaker 1: open and honest and up from with each other. That
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn wouldn't have just like bailed.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like you know, you know somebody, especially somebody you've
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  Speaker 2: been with that long and like are that close with you,
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  Speaker 2: like they're not just going to bail.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And they had been friends for so much, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so many years prior to their relationship, like you know them,
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  Speaker 1: like you know that they're not going to just like
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  Speaker 1: avoid the situation and like freak out.
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  Speaker 2: And leave like especially because I mean maybe if she
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  Speaker 2: hadn't like talked to her all that day, but she
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  Speaker 2: literally was like I'm coming home, like right, Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's weird.
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  Speaker 1: Now. It did come out later that the friends that
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  Speaker 1: Caitlyn had hung out with her last night in Virginia
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  Speaker 1: had gotten drunk with Caitlin and evidently they did have
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  Speaker 1: a threesome. So technically, I guess, you know, according to
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  Speaker 1: their details of that night, you know, Caitlyn did cheat
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  Speaker 1: on Amber. But even still, Amber knows that Caitlyn would
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  Speaker 1: have like called her and told her that she wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have just been like I'm gonna not catch my flight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, two hours after you know, Lisa realized that Caitlyn
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  Speaker 1: was missing, she called the police to follow missing person's report,
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  Speaker 1: but unfortunately they told her that it was too early
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  Speaker 1: to file, you know, because she's an adult and blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, blah.
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  Speaker 2: Fucking typical. Oh my God, if a mom is saying
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  Speaker 2: her child is missing, listen to her exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I literally put here we go with this shit again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that makes me so mad. I mean I get like,
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: maybe once in a blue moon the mom is like
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  Speaker 2: crazy and trying to find the daughter, but like, at
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  Speaker 2: least look into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And especially because, like, you know, her
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  Speaker 1: sister even said like this is you know, all these
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  Speaker 1: people Amber Lisa, her sister, they're all saying like this
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  Speaker 1: is out of character for her. If that many people
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  Speaker 1: are coming forward and saying that, like, at least just
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  Speaker 1: file the report. Like yeah, maybe don't exhaust every single
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  Speaker 1: last stitch effort that you have, but at least have
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  Speaker 1: like one person out there like investigating, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: So finally, after two days of Caitlin being missing missing,
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Lisa was allowed to file the missing person's report and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: exactly two days. You know, everyone says the first forty
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  Speaker 1: eight hours are the most important, but when you're not
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  Speaker 1: allowed to file for the after, you know, until forty
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  Speaker 1: eight hours, like so fu yeah exactly. And while Lisa
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: was at the police department, the police received a call
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  Speaker 1: that a sanitation worker had recovered Caitlin's luggage and a
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: drainage ditch on the side of the road on River Road,
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  Speaker 1: which I literally used to live five minutes from. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, exactly, So that's kind of crazy. When I
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: read that, I was like, what, I like right up
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  Speaker 1: the road from that. And it appeared to the police
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: that the suitcase had been thrown from a moving vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: It was beat up pretty bad, and one of the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: wheels was missing.
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  Speaker 2: So like, clearly something happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, something went awry, Like we don't know what or why,
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  Speaker 1: but something is Yeah, that's not good. That's not a
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  Speaker 1: good sign. So upon further inspection of the contents of
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the suitcase, they realized that Caitlyn's close, her phone, and
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: her high school diploma were missing from her belongings.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's not that's not Yeah, that's weird.
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  Speaker 1: That is very weird. So this location was over fifty
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  Speaker 1: miles from where Caitlyn was supposed to be the day
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  Speaker 1: she went missing.
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  Speaker 2: So her suitcases ditched fifty miles. She didn't have a car,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't have yeah, no, and even if she was
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: going to just go, if she was going to ghost
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  Speaker 2: her fiance and like because she felt bad about cheating
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  Speaker 2: take your suitcase. Yeah, you wouldn't just ditch all of
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  Speaker 2: your stuff and it be like beat up and that
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  Speaker 2: far away from where you were. Like, no, that's.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, And the Metro doesn't run that far. So even
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  Speaker 1: if she was like I'm going to the airport and
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: then last night it decided to like go back to Fredericksburgh,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: like the Metro, especially at that time, did not run
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  Speaker 1: that far, Like you couldn't.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there's no way she could have gotten.
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  Speaker 1: There exactly unless someone drove her or or she never
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: got there to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So this location, however, was right up the way from
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: where James lived.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what a coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: So James has been sticking to a story that he
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: dropped off Caitlyn at the mall and then he went
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: to work, but police would later find out that James
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: never went to work that day. In fact, according to
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: his phone records, he never even left the house that day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not suspicious at.
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  Speaker 1: All, exactly, So why lie? Like, what's it? Why do
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: you need to lie? By all accounts, James loved Caitlyn
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: like his own child. They weren't having any issues, and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the day that Lisa dropped Caitlyn off. James and Caitlyn
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: both were seemingly happy and excited to see one another. Okay, So,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: like I just mentioned, police did end up subpoena subpoena
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: ying James's phone records, and they discovered that his phone
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: pinged at home for all of the text messages between
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: him and Lisa.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, so he was really at home, yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Though he claimed he was thirty plus miles away dropping
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn off at the mall or at the airport like
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: had originally assumed. Right, They also obtained Caitlyn's phone records
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: and her phone pinned near James's house and also about
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: fifteen miles from where her luggage was found in Fredericksburg,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: never ever at all in Springfield or near the airport
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: in DC. That's not looking good, James. No, of course, Naturally,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the police began to question James, and he claimed still
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: he dropped Kaitlyn off at the mall, buy the Jcpenny,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: He gave her twenty dollars to take the Metro, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: then he left for work. So the cops then asked, James,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: so you're telling us if we pulled the surveillance footage
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: from the mall and the JC Pennies. We'll see you
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in your car dropping Kitlyn off at the location, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: James replied, yes, confident. Yeah, So the cops did just that. Yep,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: no sign of either of them. So not only did
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: they pull the footage at the entrance of the jcpenny,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they pulled all of the footage around the mall. And
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it's a pretty big mall and there's a lot of
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: traffic in that area, so they pulled like you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: parking lot footage, footage, all the entrances, you know, all
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: of the things.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Like they did their do due diligence to make sure
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that like there's no way he could be like, oh
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: well I was on the other side or something like that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Right, Oh I thought I was at Jason Pennies, but
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I was at Macy's or North Strum or whatever exactly.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So he's claiming that they're there and there was absolutely
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: no sign of James, his car or Caitlin. So the
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: police brought James back in, told them what they had discovered,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and James went silent. He stopped cooperating, He refused to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: answer any more questions. So unfortunately, you know, they had
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: to let him go because they didn't have any evidence.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: They had nothing. Initially he did offer to take a polygraph,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: but then later backed out, which like we all know,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: like polygraphs are not the most reliable, you know, evidence worse,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but sometimes they can be telling.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I think I agree.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: The police also got search warrants of like for James's
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: house and his car, and they found no damnatory evidence,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: which is crazy. Like, yeah, and there was a property
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that James owned where his mother resided, but at that
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: time and they even still to this day, they have
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: been unable to.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Search just because they don't have any like reason to.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I mean to me, if they think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: he's a suspect and he kind of like the case
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: of Kristen Smart, yeah, like you know that was his
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: parents property whatever, Like he owns this property, so therefore,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like that's enough cause in my opinion, I agree. But yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: but they found no DNA at all whatsoever of Caitlin's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: in his vehicle, which means he she was never in
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: in the car at all like he claimed. Okay, of
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: course her DNA was in his home, but it wasn't
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: anything like crucial. There was no blood DNA or anything like.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That right, nothing damning or like out of the like
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: ordinary exactly.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: So another odd detail that we learned about James is
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: that not only did he never go back to his
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: job that day, he never went back to his job
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: for six months. He was jobless for six months, yes, which.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Like what but not because he got fired?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I think. So there's like differing information. Like some people
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: say that he got fired because he didn't go to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: work that day, like no call, no show, boom, you're fired.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: And then other people claim that like he didn't go
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: back to work because people at his job like knew
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: what he knew what he did, and like we're giving
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: him like crap about it or like you know, whispering
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and stuff. But like how would he even know that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: if he never even went back. But either way, it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: super suspect.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sketchy, Like you need a job to make
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: money to live, so like why would you just randomly
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: not go back exactly.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: So right around the same time, I think it was
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: like a couple months later after Caitlin went missing, a
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: body of a young woman was found in Spotsylvania, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of course, rumors began to fly that it was Caitlin.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: But come to find out it was actually the body
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: of Heather Scone. And I remember this vividly too, because again,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: not only did it happen like in the neighboring town,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but people that I actually personally knew knew her.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So you know, people on Facebook, they were like shocked
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and devastated because she had actually been shot in the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: head in her car, in her driveway and left for dead.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Luckily her perpetrator was captured and convicted of her murder,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: so it was pretty open and shut. But there was
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like actually rumors at that time before he was arrested
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: that like there could be a serial killer, like all
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: this crazy stuff, because you know, Caitlyn had just went
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: missing and then this woman was murdered. So according to
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: the Facebook group that Caitlyn's mother Lisa started, which has
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: helped find Kaitlin Aikens, Caitlyn was a white female. She
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: had blonde hair and blue eyes. She was about five
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: four and one hundred and forty five pounds. She had
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: piercings in both her ears, her left nostril, her right
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: lower lip, and her tongue. She had two tattoos, one
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was on her right foot that was a cluster of stars,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and one was on the inside of her forearm that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: was a cluster of butterflies. And she also occasionally wears
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: prescription glasses. The most recent news I could find on
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the case was that Lisa took a tactic straight out
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of the movie Three bill bill Boards, Which this is
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: the second time that I've heard this movie reference in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a case, and I really want to watch it because
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: it sounds like a very good fucking movie.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Is it The Three Billboards outside of Adding, Missouri? Okay, Yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I want to watch that too. Yeah.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to try to find it and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: watch it this weekend. But basically, like a child goes missing,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the mom like does everything because like police are not
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: like willing to help, you know, because I guess, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: guess it's an older child, teenaged adult child whatever. So
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: she like blatantly just puts all these billboards up, like
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: police don't care, police are not helping, blah blah blah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: So she took the tactic straight out of the movie
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Three Billboards and worked with the Aware Foundation and placed
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a billboard on James's route to work. I guess he
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: got a new job that has Caitlin's face pictured on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: it and has like all her you know, identifying, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: markings and you know when she was like scene and
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: all that. And Lisa did this in hopes to either
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: guilt or embarrass James into cooperating with police to figure
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: out what happened to Caitlin for once and for all. Yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Lisa said that even if they find her body at
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: this point, it will offer her a small amount of comfort.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And she said, quote, at least I know she's dead
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. It's gonna
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: make me cry. Where is she? Not knowing is the worst.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: That's so heartbreaking.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I know that you would rather your child be dead
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: just to know where they are. Yeah. So investigators are
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: still supposedly working diligently on Caitlin's case, but there have
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: been no new leads at all whatsoever.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: It's like I feel like it's so I mean, I
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: don't know, but I feel like when you it's unsolved
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: but you know who did it, it's almost worse because
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it's like so frustrating that they can't get caught.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially if.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: They're right there in front of you.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: But how is there no evidence. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Like it it makes me have like a small amount
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of not denial, but like you know, questioning that like
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: is he responsible? Like right, did he do anything? Because
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: like there has he can't. I don't know. It just
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it doesn't add up.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: How can they not prove like where the Facebook messages
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: came from? Like I wonder if they like an IP
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: address or something like that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: They definitely should be able to do that. But would
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: they have to have her device to be able to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: do that or no?
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Could they Just don't know.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know either. So before I close, I did
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: want to go over some of the theories that people
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: have concluded as to what happened to Caitlin.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I kind of went down this like rabbit hole on it,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: which like rip read, it's like too crazy, some interesting
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: things on there, but it can it can get really
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: crazy really fast. Yeah. So some sources believe that Caitlyn
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: wanted to start a new life and that her stepfather
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: actually assisted her in doing so. Okay, so since her money,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: her clothes, her birth certificate, her diploma were missing, those
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: are all things that she would technically need to start
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: over your life. But at the same time, like why
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: would James not just tell her mother that and like
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: give her peace if that was the case, you know, right, Yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So like I could see that because like they haven't
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: found a body, they haven't found any DNA linking to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: something you know, malicious happening to her. So it's like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: maybe she did start over, but like why not just
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: come forward, like you'd rather risk your whole reputation.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Right, I don't know, Yeah I could. I could see
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that being something that happened. But also the fact that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: it was so like the only thing that I would
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: think that would lead to her wanting to do that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: is that she cheated on AM and like felt so
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: bad and was just like Okay, I want to start over.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: But then you literally the next day have it all
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: figured out like that. H that doesn't sound right to me.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't add up. And based on her personality,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like she you know, she needs her family, she needs
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: her friends, she needs her loved ones.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: So you don't just like disappear, especially like having that
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: that close of a relationship, like regardless of your fiance,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like with your family, Like you don't just have a
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: good relationship with your family and then be like, Okay,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start over because this terrible thing happened and
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to talk to my family again. Like
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: something pretty damn terrible would have to happen for you
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: to want to do that. And I do not think
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that cheating on your fiance would lead to that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't. That doesn't warrant such an extreme response,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: not at all. So another theory and there's literally zero
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: proof to this, but this is just another theory that's
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: out there, is that James tried to make a sexual
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: advance towards Caitlin and she declined, and that in the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: heat of the moment he accidentally killed her. But like
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: where though, Like where would he have killed her if
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: there was no blood evidence? Like right, unless he's a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you know, a CSI investigator, Like how would he be
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: able to cover up something so profound?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: You know? How closely did they search his house?
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like did they do they did a thorough I mean,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: they got a warrant, did a thorough search of his
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: property and his vehicle.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have found something if there was something
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: like especially something that brutal.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, and they did, I mean they did
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: found like find DNA like hair, I guess, or like
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you know, clothing particles or whatever. But like you know,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like you said, there was nothing leading to them leading
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: them to think that there was something brutal that took
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: place there like no blood, no, you know, brain matter whatever.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think that it would be like
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a spur of the moment, you know, killing and then
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: have like absolutely zero evidence even if he cleaned up,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: like there's gonna be something. Yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: So while I one, James knows exactly where Caitlyn is
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and what happened to her, I'm not entirely convinced that
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: something malicious happened because, like you have to be incredibly
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: smart and know what you're doing to clean up a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: crime scene. Period.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's unless he killed her like somewhere else, somewhere else,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: like in a field or something like that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But then like I don't know, I just feel like,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if they ever did like
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you know, searches of like the area around these places.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that they did based on
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the research that I did. But like even so, I'm
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: thinking like that area right there are like farmland, there
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: is but a lot of that stuff is like private property,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: so you would have to like know somebody to be
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: able to like just leave because if he left her body,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: left the clothes that he was wearing there, somebody would
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: stumble across it eventually, you know what I mean. Right,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I just find it like really hard. There's
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: not more evidence pointing towards him being.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: To blame, right, But there's also not evidence pointing towards
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: anybody else exactly.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So he's he's like the key person right now.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Right, so he's clearly involved whether or not she was
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: murdered or something else happened exactly. But now I understand
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: why her mom is like, I just want to know anything, anything.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Just anything, Yeah, because when you've done.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you first said that, I was like, well,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: isn't isn't it like pretty much understood that she's dead.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: But now I'm like, wait, maybe maybe she's not. I mean,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: that lack of evidence just I can't wrap my head
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: around that because it's, like you said that, it takes
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: a lot to cover up something like that, to get
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: rid of everything. Yeah, and you know, killing somebody isn't clean, No, And.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: There was no sign of struggle or anything like.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Right, and even if like he poisoned her or did
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: something where there was no blood, like, there's still a
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: body and all her stuff that was.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Missing, like and then you would think there would be
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: evidence linking like like a cup with poison or like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you know, something, just something, but there's nothing. And that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: is why this case like like keep stamp at night.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: So that as of right now, like I said, it's
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: still an open case. There's no really any new developing information.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: But that is the mysterious missing person's case of Caitlin Aikins.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: And sorry, when did you say this happened.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: In twenty fifteen, So December not long ago. Yeah, so
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: it's been like almost six years that she went missing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: December fifth, twenty fifteen.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So like it's not like it was years and years
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: and years ago. Like it's definitely still possible that something
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: can be found. If she was murdered, her body is somewhere,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: yea it is, And I mean, yes, there's ways to
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: get rid of a body where it's like completely gone,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: but then there's other evidence like he.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Would go to the store to buy the bucket and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the lie and the gloves and the funt whatever it
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: is exactly, so like someone disappears.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not her body is somewhere, and wow.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I hope it's she's just somewhere. I hope that she
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: just decided to like start a new life.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I don't.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Know why what what happened? Maybe and maybe I don't know,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: maybe that situation with those people, like maybe it was
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: deeper and darker than just a threesome, you know, like
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: maybe she just felt like she couldn't live with people
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: knowing what happened to her and just thought it would
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: be better if she just disappeared. I don't know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I mean maybe and maybe she I mean, maybe she
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: was thinking about it beforehand. And I've had issues, like
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: maybe she as much as she did love Amber, maybe
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: she didn't see herself being with her or just even
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: like something else was going, like through some sort of
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: internal crisis and she was embarrassed and didn't want to
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: just move on.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but if she came home to say goodbye, Like
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: what if that was the reason she really came home.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I know, I've thought all kinds of crazy.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Stuff, and like, I mean I could see that being true,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and she didn't want to tell it, Like she didn't
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: want anything to seem off beforehand, so she you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: nothing changed. How close was she with James.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: They were pretty close. I don't think they talked every
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: day like she did with her mom, but he was
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: definitely an important person in her life and he was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: like a father, a father figure to her. For sure.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: He could she could have asked him for his help,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and since he's not her biological father, like, maybe she
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: thought that he would help her without saying anything to anybody.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so you know, maybe maybe she did ask
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: him to help her, and maybe it was planned more
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: than you know, just the night before. Maybe it wasn't
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: just the threesome, it was other stuff. Yeah, and it
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: had been planned.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: And that's what I mean that, even though that sounds crazy, like,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm leaning more towards because I just find
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it so hard to believe. I mean, definitely, people go
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: missing and you know, or never seen or heard from again,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and then you know, twenty five years down the road,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: they find a body or find a blood stained you know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: shirt or whatever, and then it comes to find out, yes,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: they were murdered unfortunately. But like, I don't know, there's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: just something about this case that makes me think that
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: she's still alive.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: It keeps me up at night. Yeah, well it really does.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: It's weird too that the suitcase was discarded, but other
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: stuff wasn't there.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Certain important things.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like if he if he killed her and just
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: discarded the suitcase, Like why would all of her stuff
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: not be in there? I mean maybe he was smart
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: enough to like take things, but like the birth certificate, Like.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And why would you be stupid enough to do it
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: right up the road from your house?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You know.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: That's the thing that got me too. I was just like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's seen I don't know. I guess he
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: sees he worked for like some government job. I get
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the one that I guess he like never went back to,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: like right, you know, he seems like a smart guy,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: so like, why would you do that if you knew that,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Like it could lead back to you being suspect.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: But maybe he cared about her enough. And although it
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: hurt his reputation, he's clearly doing okay because he's there's
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: no evidence against him, and he's not in jail, and
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: he has a new job and whatever, and he just
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: was willing to take that hit for her.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I tried to think of it like that,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: like as a parent, if my son came to me
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and was like I need to disappear, like I need
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: to Like, you're damn right, I would do everything in
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: my power to keep safe and you know whatever it took, Like, yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that's true, so even reputation. Yeah, but I just feel
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: like he would at least tell her mother, like and
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: give her that piece like why you know, maybe she
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe she doesn't have that ability to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: keep it in like he does.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, and maybe maybe that was Caitlyn's wish
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: and just said please don't tell her because that'll hurt
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: her more, knowing that I'm out there and don't want
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: to see her.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope she I hope she finds peace. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: definitely if you want to know more like occurring details
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: like recent things like follow the Facebook group the Help
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Find Kaitlin Aikins. Her mother runs it and she posts
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: stuff all the time. Okay, I'm gonna go follow that
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: new things and I will be posting you know, pictures
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and you know whatever I can find on the case
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: on our Instagram at Inhuman Underscore podcast and and on
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Twitter and on Twitter. I need to do that. I'm
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: like Twitterugh, I hate Twitter, but I need to download
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: it so I can like keep up with what's going
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: on on our Twitter.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I know, I don't. I know nothing about Twitter. I've
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: ever had Twitter myself. Like I had it once and
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I followed like a couple random celebrities, but I never
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: posted anything. And then I literally one day we had
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: talked about starting a Twitter for the podcast, but one day,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I think it was when the Miami building collapsed, I
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: was trying to get like updated news and I found
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: like an article that led to a tweet, but then
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't let me see it without signing in, and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't remember my old password. So I just created
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: an account for our for our podcast. So now, like
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: I follow a couple of other podcasters, and I think
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: we have like six followers. Like I don't post on
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: there a ton, but I want to start trying to
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: post like about our cases and stuff on there. Yeah,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: just because I feel like Twitter, like it's so in
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: the moment. Yeah yeah, and I feel like there's a
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: lot more people that look on like or we'll see
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: stuff on Twitter that on like Instagram, unless they're like
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: specifically looking all right from trying. So if you are
• 40:57
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• 41:02
  Speaker 2: post photos and we'll probably follow you back because I
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: pretty much follow everybody that follows the six people that
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: follow us. So it's Inhuman Underscore Podcast on Twitter as well. Yes,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: I did post a funny tweet the other day. I
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: got into Robert's car. He like picked me up after
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: work after he got home from work because I had
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: to we had to go run an errand and he
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: had he was listening to a podcast that was like
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a like how to better your life type of podcast
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: we post on Twitter like my fiance listens to this
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: during his long commute and me just like true crime murder,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: murder murder. Yeah, I thought I was funny, but maybe
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: But no on Twitter like your slaying and slaying one
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the Christmas.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: And right, I think I didn't come up with that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I saw it somewhere, but.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's still funny, yeah pre tweet. Yeah, so yeah,
• 41:55
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• 42:01
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• 42:06
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• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Or thoughts on this case, like I would love to
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: like talk more about this case and like thoughts on it,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: because you're invested now, right, I am, like, I, as
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: you were talking about it, I remembered like certain things
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: about it, but I did not remember that it was
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I thought it was just that he killed her and there.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Was no proof.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: But now I'm not so sure. Like now I'm like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: maybe he didn't, or if he did, how the hell
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: was there no evidence? Like this is just blowing my
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: mind right now. So yeah, if you guys have like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: we'd love to hear your thoughts on it, either on
• 42:43
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• 42:47
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• 42:49
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• 42:53
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• 42:57
  Speaker 1: we're covering each week get like three minutes at the most,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and then we try to like squeeze it into sixty seconds.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: That was really hard for me last night. I was
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: like should I don't know how.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Many times I redid the Christians spot one to try
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to fit it into sixty seconds.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: So hard? All right, So thanks so much for li listening.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we hope you guys enjoyed, and we will see
• 43:22
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